Golf With Jay Delsing - - Jack Nicklaus

Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America. Now he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go On The Range with Jay Delsing.

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I'm your host, Jay Perley. Good morning. What's happening? Everything's going just great. Ready to roll, baby.

Yeah. Ready to roll. We are in midweek form for the Ascension Charity Classic, and man, got the goat Jack Nicklaus on the show today. Anyway, we formulated the show like a round of golf.

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They're growing the game. How about our social media outlets, bro? We don't have a whole lot of time. Well, I'm glad you asked me about that. I talked to Jack and Mark. We're trying to get things resolved. We got, you know, kind of canceled culture on both of those puppies, but they're coming around. One more meeting with those guys and I'll have it nailed. Okay, cool. Meet and I are on the edge of our seats.

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And I'm doing the stuff that I'm so excited to have. First of all, Jack was in town a month ago. He's coming on Saturday and I got to talk to him and it was just so fun. But looking at his stuff, first of all, forget about the fact that he's had probably the single most popular golf tournament that he created, the Memorial, for the last 45 years on the BGA Tour. The most popular one for the last 45 years. Raised untold millions of dollars in that event alone. He and Barbara start the Nicklaus Children's Foundation in 2004.

And they're somewhere between one and $200 million with 20 different satellite clinics and things like that that they built. But I didn't know where to go with it, John. Yeah, he did. He did great. I liked where he went. You let him go where he wanted to go.

And he had a fun time talking with you and people are going to feel that when they listen to your interview. So, so, John, I think there's only five guys in the history of the sport that have won the career Grand Slam. Jack's done it three times.

That's unbelievable. He's won every major at least three times. And man, he went on as a young player. He just went crazy from the get-go.

I mean, he turned 20 years old and it was like, look out for me. Well, I loved that he was in all the different sports. He was a competitor. He got that part of it. He could bring that competition no matter really what he did.

And a lot of fun. I think the other thing that I want to make sure you and I talk a little bit about, because I don't know that you broached it in the interview, is kind of how he, to some level, because you can't really dethrone the king, but with Arnie, when Jack was coming up, people didn't want to like Jack. They called him fat.

They called him this. They tried to push him to the side because they wanted Arnie to be the guy and the only guy. And when Jack's coming out there and blowing it by Arnie on occasion and beating the daylights out of Arnie on occasion and everybody else, people didn't like that.

You know, not popular at all. Plus, look at Arnold. Not only was Arnold that guy, he was the king because he looked like royalty. He played with reckless abandon.

He's a blue collar guy. And then you get Jack who, and Arnold was crazy extroverted. You know, he would walk into a room and he came in like a rock star. Jack, I'm not saying he's not a, he's super uber competitive, but Jack was just more like, hey, I'll go in the back. And Arnold's like, I'm walking right down the front, right down the front row.

And that's a huge difference in their personalities. But man, could those guys play. And you start thinking about, how about the fact that along with Arnold, Jack created the agent market in golf with Mark McCormick and John Schell's wonderful world of golf and all of these things that were just so spectacular from things that we can go back and still look at and reminisce about and go, man, what a, what a kind of golden age of golf that was, you know, where it was just, I don't know, John, it just looked simpler.

It looked, it looked pretty easy. There were, you know, you look around at the way the people were dressed when they were out there, you know, they're in coats and tides watching these guys. It was almost like there was just a little bit more reverence. And, you know, I'm not necessarily a reverent guy when it comes to that, but there's something special about that is what I'm trying to say. Let me say the tradition, I think real well and upheld the quality of the game. I, from my perspective, extremely well, there's so many things, so much different, you know, you know, cause you played out there when Jack played out there, just how much difference you saw in the tour. Just imagine the 20 years, 30 years, whatever it was that he was playing previous to you and how much things change. You know, we talked a little bit about, he had a bunch of kids, you had a bunch of kids in the challenges that went along with that, playing the sport that you played. The other thing was just the, just the travel, you know, look how they traveled. Now, most of the guys are jumping on jets and all kinds of fancy stuff being taken care of with courtesy cars and being picked up and that kind of stuff. And back in the day, you know, he's winning all those tournaments and doing all that kind of travel and there was nothing glorious about it.

No, no, not at all. And I mean, you start thinking about television, John, you know, and Frank Jarkinian and the CBS crew, they began golf television and the coverages were the last three holes. Remember, you didn't know what was going on before that.

There was pre-internet, pre-computers. And I, if you had a crystal ball and you wanted to, you said to Jack, here's how this was going to go. I mean, he didn't even intend to turn pro, John. He was initially going to stay amateur, follow in Bobby Jones' path. He was going to sell insurance and his dad was a pharmacist. He wanted to be a pharmacist. Then he decided, now I'm going to play a lot of golf.

I'm going to stay an amateur, but I'm going to make a really nice living supporting my family in the insurance business. And then all of a sudden his game went to a different level. And he's like, well, if I'm going to be the best of all time, I got to play more. What does that mean? What does that, that, what does that life thing when all of a sudden the greatest of all time, we may never have even stepped really on the scene. It's kind of an interesting thought that you just kind of threw out there. Yeah.

It's the universe, whatever it is. But you sit there and go, was there a moment for Jack where he went, I got to go this way. I got to change courses.

I got to, I got to redirect this. Well, apparently there was in his gut because you kind of talked about it in the interview, which is kind of neat. And you know how he kind of looked at a sport and go, you know, that's nearly not for me.

He looked at this sport or the coach came out, Woody Hayes came out and said, you know, no, get your, get your kid away from football and go do this over here. So you had good people around him, obviously his father, family, that kind of have good people around him, kind of giving him that direction. And then he, he trusted his gut and he made, thank goodness for the rest of us. Great decisions. Yeah.

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So, no more of this nonsense. Let's go to the greatest of all time, Jack Nicklaus. Only about a hundred yards from where Wyethcough hold that putt.

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Pleasure, Jay. So, Jack, gosh, I look at your career and it's just staggering. I mean, there's probably every question that's ever been thought of has been asked to you about the wins and things like that. But I wanted to talk a little bit about the way that you grew up.

I know family is really important to you. You played all sorts of sports when you grew up, didn't you? I played football, basketball, baseball. I ran track tennis. I participated in the other sports like water skiing. I don't know, you know, hunting, fishing, bowling.

Yeah, I played everything, but that's what I was. I was a sports junkie and I love sports. You know, just name a sport and here I go.

I want to go do it. And, Jack, living in the Midwest like we do, you know, the weather turned cold and you put the golf clubs away, didn't you? And then out come football or basketball, whatever. Yeah, I always put my golf clubs away right after the U.S. Amateur, which is generally about the middle of September.

And I didn't really even look at them until spring started to break around, you know, in the February March. And, you know, I played football for a while, but football interfered with going to play in the National Juniors and the National Amateur. So I gave up football and then basketball was my sport in the wintertime and didn't have anything to interfere with it.

So I really enjoy it. So those are the two main sports that I played. Jack, and I saw, you know, I wanted to talk a little bit about your dad and his football career and his athletic career as well, but I also saw your senior year of high school. You got some Allstate mentions and some offers to play college basketball as a shooting guard. I got recruited in Ohio State. I think they, I think they were probably misguided a little bit, but no, I was, I scored a lot of points and, but I figured out I wasn't tall enough, quick enough. And, you know, the guys that came in when I did was Jerry Lucas and John Havlicek and Bobby Knight and that group.

And they all, they won the national championship and were runner up the other two years. So I would have played a little bit. I've been ninth or 10th man probably. And, but I decided that's not what I want to do to run my, you know, run myself all over the place to be, you know, the, the, the team to test our, our champions.

No, that doesn't suit your personality. I don't think. Well, one of the things I thought was interesting, Jack, is the way we see families and parents doing with their children in sports. Now it's nothing like the way we did it. When I grew up, I did it just like you did it. When the weather changed, we brought out the football and the basketball, and we're seeing these kids dedicate themselves to one sport from such an early age.

I think that's a horrible mistake for the kid. And I think it's, it's really brought on by the coaches who I think, I think it's very selfish on their part. And of course the seasons and most all sports have extended.

So they, so they overlap more than they used to. I mean, we used to have a very definite end to football, to basketball, to baseball and so forth, but they don't have that anymore. And but I think that, you know, I was not a gym rat. I imagine you weren't either. We, I got my conditioning from playing sports. And when I did that, I mean, I played in a rec basketball league until I was 40 years old.

And it was, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed doing those things. And I was always outdoors doing something. Golf was a sport that, I mean, how I got to golf, Jay, was basically, you know, baseball was probably my best sport, but I was just sitting around waiting for a dozen or so kids to come out in a hot dusty day in Ohio. When I could be at the golf course, played 18 holes in the morning, played 18 holes in the, in the afternoon, that didn't appeal to me after, you know, after a while. Football, my dad, my dad really, he played professional football.

He played for the old Portsmouth Spartans, which are now the Detroit Lions in the NFL. And he, you know, it broke his heart, but he understood that I wasn't tall enough. My hands weren't big enough. I was a quarterback and, you know, but it, you know, it just didn't, it didn't make sense in the end. And actually Woody Hayes was the one that told my dad, he says, I've seen your kid play both sports. He says, you can't keep him as far away from my sport as you can.

And it was a wise move for him and the basketball fit in fine. So, but you know, all those other sports, I was, I never had a, what if Jay, because, you know, I was pretty good at all the other sports, but, I knew that I knew what my limitations were and I didn't have any limitations in golf. So that's obviously where I gravitated. Oh my gosh, Jack, when I think about how many times we were playing a pickup baseball game and the shortstop on the other team got called home for dinner and the game broke up, I was the most, I was so disappointed and that really led me to golf as well. I love that story. Can we talk just a little bit about meeting Barbara and what a rock she's been. I've got to tell folks, I have four daughters and you and your family have sent me christening gifts for the birth of each one of my daughters.

I'll never forget it. And you guys are the first family of golf and your wife is such a rock. Yes, she is Jay. And she's fantastic. We met our first week in college. I was walking, it was orientation week and I went down to say hello to the gal that I had been dating, but we'd already agreed to date around and Barbara walked up and the gal's name was Mary. She knew Barbara. So she introduced me to Barbara.

I walked her to class, called her for a date and you know, that's it. We were done. We were on our way for the next 60, actually, you can add about three years to that.

So that's about 64 years, I guess. Oh my gosh. And I don't know how you were able, you guys were able to manage what you did, all the success, 117 professional wins, the 18 majors, double, triple career grand slams. But Jack, your family is so important. The Christmas card you send out, you know, I got the pleasure of knowing Jackie from college golf and things like that. How did that, how were you guys able to do that?

I can't imagine with your success, any of that was easy. Well, you know, Jay, my focus was on priorities and family was my number one priority. You know, we got four boys, five, four boys and a girl, five kids, 22 grandkids. And you know, that was where, that's where we were, that's where our, we were brought up that way. Barb's parents were brought up that way. Barb's father was a high school, a math teacher. As a matter of fact, he taught my father in high school. And the, my dad obviously was a pharmacist. That's what I went to college to be.

He taught me out of that, but we're still in the family values. The family comes first and then, you know, golf is a game. It has to be a game that I love. It had to be a game that provided me the opportunity to do so many other things in life. If it hadn't been for golf, you know, what would I be doing now? I mean, I'd probably be a club pro someplace or a baseball coach somewhere.

I don't know where I'd be. It's so true. I think that the fact that I'm sitting here talking to you, Jack, it's just such a pleasure and it's all because of the game and the, what the game can do for people, for other people, for the underprivileged. Let's talk a little bit about, you know, the foundation, the Nicholas Children's Healthcare Foundation, you guys set up in 2004. You guys have raised over a hundred million dollars since then. And I know that number's low because of the Memorial event that you founded for, oh my gosh, over 30 years.

And how about that sort of stuff that you guys have done and that the game is right in the middle of? Well, you know, Jay, as you know, you played when I played and the charity was part of our tournaments, but it wasn't a big part of our tournaments. And then as the tour grew, they found golf to be a vehicle for charity. And as a result, charity became more emphasis in golf tournaments and charities. So when we started the Memorial tournament, and I won't go through the long thing, but we felt like the Michigan Children's Hospital saved Nan's life when she was one year old.

And we always said that if we were ever in a position to help others, we wanted it to be children. Well, we started a Memorial tournament. So that hospital has been a beneficiary since day one. The Honda tournament came in about 17 years ago in the Palm Beach area. And we either had to send our children to Orlando or Miami if they were sick. And I looked at Barbara and I said, they said they wanted to help challenge charities.

Do you know any? I said, well, we do now because we just started our foundation with that. And so the Honda tournaments, we've been the main beneficiary of that tournament since day one. It's been here.

It's grown. We made a relationship with Miami Children's Hospital and they wanted to change the name because they wanted to be more global. And the changes to Nicklaus Children's obviously came with a donation which our foundation was able to raise. And last year or so we've seen kids from every state in the union and 119 other countries. So it's been very rewarding.

We've got the main hospital in Miami and 20 outpatient clinics up and down the east and west coast of Florida. And to see these kids and see what's happened to the funds that have been raised and the adults they get, it's turned my life around. I used to not look at it that way because I was in the middle of it.

Now I'm in the middle of it and I say, wow, the effort that we're making and the things that we're doing and what it's doing for these kids, it's far more important. And I've used the phrase before, far more important than any four foot putt I ever made. However, had I not made those four foot putts, we would not have been in a position to do that. And Jack, it's amazing because the game is so popular amongst businessmen. And so you take this format from the PGA Tour and the Pro-Am formats and you do that. It's just amazing how much money you can raise by playing golf.

You're right, Jay. It's unbelievable. I mean, you mentioned 100 million. Yes, we are well north of 100 million. But it's all come from the game of golf, whether it's we do Pro-Am's or we do beneficiaries of golf tournaments or through relationships have developed where people just love what we do and they just write checks and say, we love what you do and we don't know a better place for it than with these kids. And we don't all put it in Miami and we have a Nicholas Children's Healthcare Foundation of Canada now. And we've got tons of Canadians that donate into that. So we help the kids in Canada.

There are no border for kids, Jay. And you know, they're our future. And so Barbara and I feel very strongly about what we've done. And of course, Barbara supported me all through my golf career. Now I'm supporting her in this venture and I'm having more fun and I'm sure she had fun watching me play golf. Alright, so that's gonna wrap up the front nine but don't go anywhere. We'll be back with more Jack Nicklaus on the back nine. This is golf with Jay Delsing.

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It is amazing. I mean, Barbara's got they all call her mom. And you know, they'll come over and say, Hey, mom, I'd like to come over and see you. And she's a second mother to about about a dozen number. So and they, they love Barbara's guidance, and they love what she does. And they love the way she handles things.

So it's really, it's pretty special to be just to be for me just to be on the sidelines and watch it. It's gotta be so neat to share your wife has such a gentleness and such a she gives and listens like someone I've never heard before. Yeah, she does. She listens very well. But Jay, you gotta be around her.

She can talk to I have four daughters. Sometimes jack I just sit back. I'm like, there's no room in the air for any more words.

You just got to sit back and let it go. But I met that I met that as a compliment to them. Absolutely. So if we could just shift gears, I know that you've got to run but jack Do you have a favorite golf course? I mean, Nicholas design you have over 400 golf courses around the world. Some of my true favorites. I love the course up and in Toronto at Glen Abbey, but do you have a favorite golf course that kind of inspired you through the design business? Well, not really of my own.

I mean, I've got I've done 320 golf courses myself, the company's about 450. And, you know, I, you know, I always say people say, What's your favorite? What do you like the best? Well, who's your favorite child? Yeah, you know, Jay, you don't pick a favorite child. Some days you probably have one more than the other. But for the most, they're all my children.

And I like to try to treat them equally. As as far as golf courses where I've gotten my, my I've been Augusta was obviously with Bobby Jones was sort of a way I like to see the gameplay. I think people like to hit the golf ball off the tee.

And then they can be challenged after that. And of course, Jones got that from St. Andrews, where St. Andrews is exactly that way. And that's why I like those two golf courses. I love Pebble Beach. I love going out there on on the ocean, the scenery, the views.

I mean, they're spectacular. So you know, that's a great place. I mean, Pinehurst.

Here's a golf course is totally tree lined without a tree and play. I mean, Donald Ross did a magnificent job there of no water, and there's no nothing there except, you know, just a golf course and he did a great job. I take from all those places. And, you know, I've never copied any of those holes, but I've copied concepts. And I use different concepts all the way, the 10th hole at Riviera, I love that little, little short par par four.

I mean, I use I've used that concept a lot. The old 17th hole at Baldus Roll, a multiple mistake par five. I've always I've always enjoyed that golf course or that hole. I thought it was a marvelous golf hole. People would in past, most people go right over their head.

But I I sort of liked it. I go back. I look at, you know, even played a little pro-am. I played for Rhode Island Country Club. I think the 10th hole at Rhode Island Country Club was a very interesting green concept. And I use I've used that concept on shorter par fours. And, you know, it's it I take from where I've been, there's nothing really new in the game of golf, Jay, it's how you apply it.

You know, we wouldn't played. What's the course in northern Scotland? Oh, gosh. Anyway, there's so many famous holes from it.

Right. And you know, you take those famous holes, you see why they were done and and where they came from and what how they how they happened. You see the whole of St. Andrews and what they did. You say, you know, you sort of take from that and you can do your own rendition. I mean, I've never copied the road hole, but I've used that rendition of it. I mean, I've not played over hotels and had a gravel road outside my fair outside. But I've used the concept.

So, you know, there's this how you apply it, how you pay attention to what you're doing. And, you know, Jay, I'm 81 years old now, but I I still love golf course design. I've got I probably got 15 golf courses under contract right now around the world.

And I love I love going to them and being part of them. And with Covid, we haven't been able to go. So I've sort of, you know, been restricted a little bit on that.

But we still got quite a few in the United States and Mexico and places like that that I go to. And I'm enjoying my work. Oh, my gosh, I can hear it in your voice. And what I love is that you get that interpretation. One of the things that I love about your golf courses when I got to play them is the green surfaces were always great.

We putted on great surfaces that every Nicholas course ever played on. And I love that. And you were also a little generous off the tee. And I hit my driver all over the place. So I also appreciated that. Well that that was my philosophy.

And another philosophy, Jay, which, which I think is important about 40 years ago, I played an outing. And there were about there were 10 golf pros by I gave a clinic in the morning. Why I didn't play I don't have any idea why I didn't play but I didn't. I didn't play but I waited around and did some other things while they got they all played the golf courses set on top of the hill. The golf course is beautifully manicured northern part of the United States beautiful trees.

Perfect condition. The greens were in great shape. The views to the clubhouse were beautiful.

The service was fantastic. The golfers got in. And every one of the amateurs had been that may be the guest best golf course best day I've ever had on a golf course. Every single one of the pros walked in said that may be the worst golf course I've ever seen. What did that mean?

I mean, you gotta be pretty stupid not to understand what that meant. It meant that the average golfer really likes to be taken care of. He likes to have a nicely condition.

He likes to be able to spend time with his friends. He entered in this challenge or the golf shots. He's interested in a nicely conditioned golfer interested in beauty, the aesthetics. So they obviously the pros walked in, what were they interested in? They're interested in the fairness of the tee shot, the fairness of the greens. Will the greens accept the shot? Could they could or the green is puddable, you know, the golf shot.

So from that point on, I started thinking, you know, if I could take a piece of property and put make it look pretty, make it have the aesthetics beautiful and put good golf shots in it. I'm going to pretty much cover the gamut with that. Oh, my gosh, absolutely. I love that so much. Because that's those are the people that are out buying those $500 drivers right now and supporting the game so much. Absolutely. They enjoy it. They gotta have fun.

And that's what that's what the game is supposed to be about. Oh, gosh, I just love it. Just one more. Jack, thank you so much for this time. And I really appreciate it. Who was the toughest competitor other than yourself that you've ever seen in?

And oh, gosh, I can't wait to hear this answer. Well, you said other than myself, I said, I was a toughest competitor to play against because you can't control anybody else but yourself. And so, you know, you understood that very quickly. So I'm sure you have through the years. But anyway, the guys that gave me the most trouble were probably Trevino and Watson. And, you know, Trevino beat me a few times in majors and Watson beat me a few times in majors. And, you know, people have asked me many times he says, Would you ever like to have a golf shot back?

I said two of them. Yeah. Trevino's chip at 17 at Muirfield in Scotland, 72. And Watson's chip at Pebble Beach in 82 at on 17th hole.

Those are the shoe shots I'd like to have back. That is so terrific. This has been the great check.

Most cost me a major. But anyway, I you know, I always applaud them for doing that because they they play great shots when they had to make them. But Jay, you know, I've enjoyed playing the game. I love the game. It's a great game. It's given both you and you and I a lot of livelihood, a way to stay involved, a way to pass things on to our kids that we think are of value.

So I've, I wouldn't I wouldn't want to, I wouldn't want to go anyplace else. Oh, my gosh, thank you so much for you were always my idol watching you play it was always I having this opportunity. I so appreciate you taking the time and we'll see you this week up at the Ascension charity classic. Yeah, you won't see much of jack Nicklaus jack Nicklaus can't hit the ball. He can't I can't hit it 180 yards anymore.

Jay. I backswing I can almost get up to my hip, my belt. And my follow through is even shorter.

So and my balance is even worse. So you won't see much of me. But I'll be there and having fun.

We'll have a good time. And if people just understand that I just don't play golf anymore. I played two full rounds of golf this year. And I'm not sure I broke 100 either time but that's okay. I broke out a few times before that.

Yeah, you did. I like what you said in St. Louis where people would say to you in your prime. I wish I could play golf like you and now you say to them. Well, now you can. Absolutely.

I'm not even sure that anyone won't want any of them want to play like I do anymore. Jack, thank you so much for your time and travel well and we'll see you this week. Okay, Jay. Nice talk to you. Okay, john. We got a lot to talk about.

But first thoughts. Well, first of all, I just love the way you did the interview. I felt like Jack was having a fun time with it.

Just kind of reminiscing. And you could tell at certain times, certainly when he talked about his family, certainly when he talked about the golf courses, how his energy just really increased. I thought that was a lot of a lot of fun. And obviously, there's so I'll tell you the other part that really, really caught me and he I've heard him say this before.

Barber supported him when he played now he's supporting her. But he said at one point, he really started clicking and realizing what she was accomplishing what they were accomplishing more so than he had in the past because he was focused on other stuff. That's cool. I mean, that's that's kind of that personal growth stuff. And that's really cool stuff that really got to me. Yeah, amen.

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Hey, welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay Pearl. He's with me and we're headed to the 19th hole that's brought to you by Pro-Am Golf Centers. Pro-Am Golf Centers has been on the show before. The DeGrants are great people.

They have the best pricing when it comes to getting custom fit for your clubs. So welcome back to the show and Pearly, let's talk a little bit about Jack. Okay, so his record notwithstanding, I mean, just amazing. I've said this before on the show, but I'm going to say it again because I brought it up to him. Barbara, Jack, their family sent me a christening gift at the birth of each one of my daughters. I mean, and I, and they're, they're, they're the number, they're the number one family in golf. Third, third, they're it. And Barbara is the rock that keeps that whole thing centered.

I mean, Jack has admitted it and talked about it. He's talked about how he's supporting them. And it's amazing how this family is. They're not just fading off into the sunset. They're sitting there relevant with the modern tour players.

Ricky Fowler's over there all the time. JT, they call her mom. They talk about, you know, when you know, they're talking about, Hey, you know, I'm getting married and this, that the other thing, how do we make this work? How do I still have a thriving career? And how do I keep this other part of my life thriving?

How, how do I do better? It's just, I just, of all the things, the money that they've raised, the fact that I, there's so many similarities to the way Jack and I grew up in terms of playing all the other sports. That's about where the similarities end in terms of it.

But Pearl, when the weather turned, I didn't blast golf balls in the snow. I was playing soccer and then I was playing basketball and he was all doing the same thing. And, and, uh, I just, uh, I, I just love this stuff. He said, I thought it was interesting when he kind of called some of the, uh, the coaches out on that and just said, uh, you know, the coaches just shouldn't be promoting that. You and I talk about that on a personal note all the time, because we've got the kids and grandkids that are playing one sport too much and it drags on from one season to the other, and they don't have the, what I think is the opportunity to be more rounded athletes, more, you know, having more experiences when they're younger. I think it's too bad that they, that they do some of that. Well, you know, we've, we've, we've, you and I've had this personal discussion when, you know, there's, you're young and your bodies are changing, growing and all that stuff.

That repetitive motion is just not that great for it. I want to change just for a second, because I got a question for you that we haven't even talked about. You were around with both those guys when Tiger first came out and when Jack was obviously out there when you first went out. Yes.

What was the difference when Jack walked around a golf course and the clubhouse and the, and the guy's locker room and the driving range versus when Tiger walked around those same places? That's a great question. So that's why I asked him, that's why I asked that question. He was due for a good question, right? No. So what's interesting, Jack was so far, he was just in a different level for everybody.

Right. And he was also revered in a way. So for me, I'm like, Holy cow, when I got to play Jack Nicklaus, I'm like, this is most unbelievable thing ever. Tiger was almost, I don't want to say punkish because he wasn't, he treated me extremely well. But John, the way Tiger wanted, the way Tiger won, he wanted to not only beat you and know you were beaten by him. He wanted to humiliate you. He wanted to, and I'm not saying he personally wanted to make you feel better. He wanted to let you know I beat you by 10 today.

We also caught them in two different, Tiger was coming up and trying to prove himself. So he was battling. That's what people that were doomsayers, he couldn't do it.

He wouldn't last. He's that kind of stuff where Jack was very much established. So in some ways it's a bit of an unfair question, but I hear what you're saying, kind of how they were, they were seeing it at that time. But in terms of the, and they were just different when it came to how much flamboyancy they had, the way they won. Jack tipped his cap and shook his hand, Tiger's fist pumping and letting that emotion out, you know? And I can tell you what, when I talked to the older guys that played before me about playing with Jack and in Jack's prime, they were like, it was, everybody in there knew he was going to beat you.

He knew, you knew. Well, that's a Tiger issue too, though. For sure the same thing. That's kind of why I asked the question. But you're saying they kind of handled it differently as they're kicking your butt.

Yeah, they did. And it's just more, I think it's more like a personality thing, you know? But I will say this, Tiger's not crazy extroverted. He's not at all.

He's more of an introvert like Jackets. But when Tiger, you know, John, differences in the world too, I'd say were probably the biggest. You know, Tiger's coming around every, there's social media on every corner.

Everybody's got an opinion. You know, like we were saying, Jack's winning and we got three holes. You know, we got the last three holes on TV. There's 24-7 on the Golf Channel and Tiger. And so the amount of exposure, the amount, you know, and also we've said this multiple times and I love this about Tiger, multiracial guy. You know, in a sport that was way too restricted, you know?

And so he opened a bunch of those doors. We're like hell yeah, let's get everybody involved in this game. It's the greatest game. Let's get everybody involved in it and let's watch this young kid do his thing.

And man, it was good. So one other question on Jack is obviously fantastic. We both believe the greatest ever. But how many people would really copy the way he did it? Right.

Great point. I mean, the swing, his putting stroke. His putting stroke makes me, I mean, how would you go about even teaching that and trying to understand it?

Chipping and pitching, again very differently. Maybe, maybe very similar to today's bombers of the Driver. Jack had a lot of that same move many, many, many years ago.

But other than the Driver, I don't think there's too many things that most people could really copy. Is that because of the way he was built, his strength? I think it's more of his interpretation. You know, the flying right elbow, all those sort of things. Jack extremely upright. When he came on the scene, people marveled at how high he hit the ball.

Remember? But that's happening a lot now. That's what I'm saying. Exactly. But, Jon, completely inferior equipment. Completely.

That is terrible. Let's just say it was awful equipment. Here's another thing I would like to do as far as comparing the Greatest and stuff like that. Give the present-day, quote, superstars his equipment and go play a couple of rounds.

Hit that heel shot off with an old-person Driver. I think you're going to see a lot of 75s, 77s, 80s for quite a while. Yeah, it's interesting.

And that's why it gets so dicey to try to compare generations. It's really fun. But, Pearl, we got another show in the books, man. Fantastic. A good one, too. Well, thanks for being with me, Meat.

Thanks so much for taking care of us, man. Pearl, I hope I hit them straight this week. Come on, St. Louis. Peloton, let's go. This holiday with the right music and the right motivation from world-class instructors. We're going to pick it up a notch.

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