Dan O'Neill - Golf With Jay Delsing

Uh Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America.

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So, John, I've got an interview this week. with Dan O'Neill. Long time A beat writer for the Blues, longtime beat writer for the Cardinals, and a golf. Fan and writer for almost 30 years, and really a fun guy. He's a St.

Louisan. He's an interesting guy, always has some interesting takes on stuff. Did he does he play golf himself? Is he any good? Uh He referred to himself as the bogey man, so I don't know how I don't think he plays exceptionally well, no.

So he's chubbing for or he's chubbing for strokes, one of the two.

Well You know how that goes. Everybody is.

Okay. Everybody is.

If you're chumming for 18 of them, though, you're chumping hard early. Yeah, anyway.

Okay, so listen, we got some cool golf on this weekend. End of the year stuff. Tiger Woods playing in the PNC with his son Charlie. Really cool opportunity, Pearl. I got a couple of things to look for, but what are you interested in?

Well, first of all, I want to see how much Charlie's grown because if the kid's grown a little bit from last year and gotten stronger, You already hit it pretty good last year. It's going to be fun to see how much how much he's improved, which you gotta believe is Is going to be substantial. Distance and strength is my guess. Again, maybe not. Maybe he's at that age where he hasn't grown a little bit yet.

For Tiger, I think we're going to see, and you and Dan talked about it a little bit in the interview, We're going to see If he's lowball in his opportunities and possibilities for the future, Or what he's gonna have in the tank, because he will be on the course, they will be counting to the score, so you know he's gonna try to do his best, especially with his son.

So, I don't know what to see. I'm excited to see it, I can tell you that. And I am absolutely a believer we're going to get more out of Tiger than he's. Let not. I totally agree.

And here's a couple things to look for. Let's watch and see how much walking he does. I think that's really pretty important. Let's see how much he rides, see how much he walks. Let's see what that looks like.

And also, look. Can he ride in this event? I think he can.

Okay. I think he can.

Yeah. And let's see what happens when with the speed. You know, we saw him swinging, and it was his speed is definitely down. There's no question about that. But all of a sudden, the bell rings.

What's that going to look like? It's going to be really interesting to see, to your point, what we get out of Tiger.

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Louis. It is going to be something special. All right, we've got a long interview, a really fun interview with our buddy Dan O'Neill, one of our favorites, if not my favorite golf writer in all of golf. He was also part of our team with Fox Golf. He definitely was supporting Joe Bach with a lot of information and a lot of interesting stories.

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Damn, when I look back... We've known each other for so long, but Man, you started your career here in St. Louis in 1985. With the post dispatch, a long and storied career all the way to 2017, but Gosh, in between. Our connections, you know, we're sports lovers, but our connection has been golf.

You've written for the USGA for over 10 years, did some work for their websites and the USGA Journal. You've contributed to the Golf World and Golf Week and MSNBC as their kind of golf contributor. Man, it goes on and on and on. And now you're doing stuff for the Morning Read by Sports Illustrated. And I just read your piece on Morakawa.

You've been writing about golf and sports for a long time. Yeah. Yeah, well, longer probably than I like to admit, but Yeah, you're right. I mean, you did you did some homework there. Yeah, I started at the post dispatch in 1985.

In St. Louis, and I was actually working at the St. Louis. Journals Uh the suburban journals for about four years before I got hired by the Post.

So, you know, went to Mizzou's J school, which at the time was the the best school in the country and came out of there and uh really did uh once I once I got on with the post dispatch, um I was doing a little bit of everything, you know. I was on the Cardinal bead for about 10 or 12 years. With Rick Hummel, who's in the Baseball Hall of Fame now. And Then I uh I I went from that to covering the hockey. uh uncovering the St.

Louis Blues for a long time. And then, when they needed a golf rider, they asked me to do golf. I started doing that really in uh 89. I covered the PGA in 89. In uh And that's where all the golf started.

But actually, that was. You know, uh I'll tell you a little story about that.

So I went to Kemper Lakes in 89 for the PGA. Really, not knowing much. You know, Jay, I didn't really play golf growing up. It it just wasn't. I played basketball and football and baseball, but I never got into golf growing up.

So I really didn't know a lot about it.

So I went to the 89 PGA. And uh I was there just to to to pick up a story. Whatever was the most interesting, some kind of feature. Because we had the PGA coming in 92 to Belle Reef, so we're kind of getting out ahead of it. I was at Kemper Lakes.

Don't really know what's going on. Covering a golf tournament for. pretty much I mean a major tournament like that for the first time. And uh As it turns out, Arnold Palmer shot like a 68. first day.

And he was in contention. He was, I think, second. First or second going into Friday's round, you know, and Arnold Palmer was 58 years old at that point. And so I didn't know a thing about golf, but I knew who Arnold Palmer was.

So I decided, well, I'll go follow Arnold Palmber. That's a pretty good story. I know who he is.

So I got up early. He was playing early on Friday morning, got up early. Went out with them. and walked inside the ropes with them through 18 holes. And you know, it was one of those days.

I don't know where the temperature went by the end of the day, but it was just. sultry hot, you know, humid. And as I said, Palmer was 58 years old.

So I followed him through the 18 holes, and I'm telling you, Jay, it was like it was the most incredible thing I ever did. It was like following Babe Ruth around the basis or something. He i if there are fifty thousand people at that tournament at that point. 45,000 of them had to be following Arnold Tolmer. And he'd have to stop, or he didn't have to, but he'd stop after literally every shot.

and tip his hat or acknowledge applause. people are just going nuts for them. Yeah. And I think, you know, he wound up, he st he was still in it, but he shot he shot like a 72, I think, the second day. Um So it didn't play great.

And by the end of the round, really worn down. You know, his shirt soaking wet. you know, completely gassed. And so I'm following them and I'm thinking. You know, boy, if I could just get in a couple of questions with them, you know.

I'm just gonna stick with them here and uh So he gets done. He goes to the first first he goes. Through this. Uh gauntlet of fans. reaching out asking for autographs.

And he signs every single one of them, I swear. I mean, he did that for about a half hour. And then he goes and then he does television. And he does, I don't know how many television spots. But he does that for about another 20 minutes or something.

Then he goes to the press tent. And he does a a half hour uh in a press conference after his round. And so I'm still hanging with him, and I'm thinking, gosh, you know, this is going to be tough. Maybe I'm not going to get anything here. But I stick with him.

He goes back.

Now he gets on a cart, and they drive him back to the clubhouse, and I run up there. And I follow him in and I follow him downstairs to the locker room. He plops down on the bench. And it's just, you know, gassed and looking down at the floor, getting his breath for a second. And I finally decide, you know, I just got to go for it.

So I walk up to him and I say, Mr. Palmer. You know, um Joe Nobody from St. Louis, and I just wonder if I could get a couple of questions with you. He says, Yeah, I'll tell you what.

Let me change my shirt. I'll meet you upstairs.

So I go upstairs. He comes up, you know, 10 minutes later. takes me or leads me into the living room. Sits down on the couch. ordered a couple of uh beverages for us.

And he sat there and did about forty minutes with me. And it was just the most unbelievable thing. Here's a guy who's like I said, he was like the babe Ruth of the sport. I'm absolutely nobody. He's never even met me before.

Not one of the magazine writers or a national writer or anything. And after all that, he sat there and gave me about a half hour, 40 minutes of one-on-one. It was just unbelievable. And I've never, you know, that's why he was the king. That was it.

So that was sort of my, that's a long story, but that was sort of my introduction to golf. Oh my gosh, Dan, it's just incredible what he was able to do and what he believed in and believed in so strongly. And just he never varied off of it. He was, he had time for everyone. Yeah, you know, what I admired about him is he knew who he was.

And he knew what that meant. And it meant a lot. to the game. He knew it was bigger than just him. And so some you know, some people embrace that.

There's been other people I've met Um Like that. I mean, Jack Nichols is like that. Bob Pettit was like that. Stam usuals like that. You know, those guys.

Those guys are giants, but they're not just giants because of uh the way they played. Which certainly qualified them. They did so much for the game they played because they realized what they meant. to the game. They realize how how many people Cared about the way they acted or the things they had to say.

And uh You know, there's not a lot of people like that in sports anymore. There I I guess there's still a few, but There used to be quite a few, and I'm not sure there's that many. You know, everything's changed, the money's changed, and everything. But uh I'll just uh You know, I've been lucky enough to meet some people or have some situations like that. That just makes you feel like what you're doing is really a privilege.

Oh, my gosh. I when I got to play with mister Palmber, it was I felt like I didn't you know, when I got to the first tee, Dan, I didn't know if I should genuflect or I I mean, 'cause I it was seriously royalty. You know, I was so excited. to to get that opportunity and um Ah, this game is just so great, what he did for the game. And you know, even he's no longer with us physically, but he still lives on in this great spirit.

So, Dan, I want to talk a little bit about, gosh, we've got so many things I want to talk about. One of the things that people don't know. Let's talk about our time with Fox together. It was bittersweet in a lot of different ways. We were all hoping it would kind of go a little better.

But you were behind the scenes and And describe your role because Joe Buck is Such a rock star. And such Oh man, I don't know the ex um Superlatives, he's so normal and so down-to-earth, so funny, yet so talented. And you were part of kind of his team. a little bit uh at fox. Yeah, well, he owes it all to me.

I can tell you that right off the bottom. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Uh No, you know, it that was interesting. Uh uh it lasted for uh what, five or six years.

Um it was it was pretty stunning when they Opted out of the contract, I guess. I mean, they were signed on for 12 years. And so You know, it was after five years that they they had had enough, I guess. You know, it it just didn't I'm not sure what there's obviously, I'm not anybody to comment on it because I I don't know what they had in mind to begin with or what their expectations were, but. I I don't think th those tournaments don't make a lot of money.

I mean, the U. S. Open certainly does, but if you sign on with the USGA, you also got to cover the US amateur and the US Senior Open. And those some of those things aren't as dynamic as some of the others.

So But I don't really know what I do know that the pandemic really. Is what put that whole process into motion because. you know, it delayed everything in twenty twenty and Fox is very much into football. And then all of a sudden they they had a you know, when they used w when they moved the the uh US Open, to the fall or in November. Or whenever they probably think it was November, if I remember, September or November.

Um Then it became problematic, and that's when I think it kind of opened the door to Fox to. rethink it and See if they want to go a different direction. But it was, for me, it was really enlightening because I had never worked in. in television in that way. And while I I've known Joe Buck for years, I'd never seen him really behind the scenes.

I'd never seen him at work. And it really opened my eyes to How talented he he is and how and how difficult That is. I don't think people realize. I mean, you know, when you're watching on T V or you're listening on the radio. It's easy to just think, ah, these guys just show up and sit down and talk, and they make all this money for doing that.

And man, I could do that. But I really found out that I, you know, what Joe does, I could never do. And what some of those other guys do, because. He's just For one thing, he shows up, he prepares, works hard to prepare, get to know as much stuff about every single person playing as he possibly can. And you know this, Jay, because you do you d do some of it too, and you were doing a The online stuff, and you know, you have to the amount of preparation that goes into it is pretty amazing.

And then when you watch him on the air and he's got... You know, he's got earbuds in his ear and he's probably got At least one or two people talking to him. Through his uh earbuds, and then he's I I'm sending him stuff uh on his uh phone. He's checking his phone for for information and tidbits and and keeping track on his laptop or his computer screen, what's going on. I mean, he channels not just him, but Jim Nance or any of those guys.

They are channeling so much information at one time and then making it all seem so smooth and You know, like it all blends together. It's just amazing. You really, you know, you really have to see it. which we are able to do. excuse me, able to do behind the scenes.

To appreciate what exactly is going on there, so you know, it was fun. I hated to see it go, it was uh. It was an interesting uh five years of doing that, but um you know, you never things change, so what are you going to do? But when I think about the stuff that you do for a golf dand, you're always, you've got an interesting insight to the game that's just not. I don't want to say normal, but it's just not the everyday run of the mill, hey, obviously Colin Morakow, I had a problem on Sunday.

You've got a different little slant on it, and I've always enjoyed that.

Well, I appreciate you saying that. I mean, I you know, there's there's a lot of everybody has, I guess, a different style or approach. I've never really been a nuts and bolts. Kind of guy. I mean, you know, to me, it's, it's the, um, Human interest stuff that's more fascinating to me.

And it's one of the reasons I really enjoy writing about golf because. you don't have to get bogged down in a lot of uh Nuts and bolts and golf. You can if you want. I mean, if if if you want to analyze Go off.

Okay. You know, mathematically or mechanically, you certainly can. But I don't know, for one thing, I don't know enough about it to really do a good job of that. I don't feel like I. have the expertise to analyze a golf swing or you know talk a lot about uh you know, the the intricacies of the game.

Other than to, you know, you have to cover the necessities. If you're covering that final round of the master, certainly you're going to mention. That somebody made a 50-foot putt to win the tournament, or something like that. Those kind of details. They have to work their way in at some point.

But I really enjoy more writing about the emotions involved in the game or. You know, that the personalities of the players or those kind of characteristics. And I think most people I may be right or wrong about it, but I think most people that's you know, they enjoy reading about that stuff. Rather than having a blow-by-blow account of what club was used and how many yards and There are people who absolutely want to read that and and I understand that it but it it's just never really been My style is one of the things, like I said, I love about golf because. If you cover baseball, you you really you can't get around it.

I mean, baseball is a game that's really kind of built on uh Statistics and things, and you got to pay a lot of attention to them. But in other sports, you know, hockey, golf. you you really I in my opinion anyway, you have more room to sort of maneuver and Kind of pick and choose an angle or whatever that you want to write about or that you find interesting. And, you know, for instance, Marakawa's. Performance yesterday just immediately reminded me of Greg Norman at the Masters.

And You know, it wasn't that. On that level, because this was a limited field event and. you know, the Masters is certainly a different animal. And Norman had a six-shot lead going into the final round, and Marakowa had a five-shot. But when you see something like that, Uh And and you see a guy in in a matter of three holes went from leading the tournament by by four strokes to be betraying the leader by two in a matter of three holes.

I mean, those those are uh You know, if you if you were at the Masters, which I was for Greg Norman's. collapse and Those kind of things just come to mind and you just kind of try to find a way to. put that in perspective. You know, it's interesting. I think the Twitter feed had Boracow with a five-shot league and then like.

I don't know, 18 or 23 minutes later, or something like that. He was down by two. And it's. Yeah. Time that Morakawa has kind of looked human.

I mean, he's kind of flown under the radar. He's won two major championships already. The kid's, what, 24 years old? And You know, you see videos of him, you know, wheeling his club through an airport with his headphones on and a cap, and nobody knows who he is. Yeah.

And. I I don't think I've seen anybody Uh hit irons. like Mora Cowell with the precision and the accuracy since Tiger. And let's talk a little bit about Tiger. Dan, what's your take on that on that the Golf Digest interview he did with Hedy?

Well, yeah uh You know, I think what Tiger did was And I kind of find it to be typical of Tiger. And I don't blame him. And I don't want people to get the wrong idea that I'm being critical. I'm really not. But I think it was maybe smart on his part to kind of set the bar.

as low as Possible.

So Um I mean, if anyone has seen his uh some of the videos that have come out of him hitting balls, Yeah, he looks pretty darn good. And um What do we all like to do? For him to come in and say, Yeah, you know, I don't know if I'll ever, you know, approach. Or if I'll be able to play. And if I do play, you know, I won't be able to play full time.

Well, He hasn't played full time at at Rory. McElroy commented on this, and he was absolutely right. Tiger doesn't play full-time, he hasn't played full-time in. many years.

So that should that's not exactly a re you know revelation that he's not going to come back and play a full schedule. Um And then for hi you know, he kind of set the table for If he ever does come back and if he ever does contend and or win Everybody is going to put it on this unbelievable level. Like, Gosh, no way, no way anybody could have expected him to ever do that. Not even he expected himself to ever be able to do that. And you know, we talked about Having climbed Mount Everest and things and I know I was just using an analogy, but I'm sorry, Cliny.

Winning a golf tournament is really not anything like climbing Mount Ephraus. It just It's a remarkable thing in itself, without a doubt, but it's not the same as climbing Mount Everest. Um but all that said I mean you know Like I said, if you watch the videos of him hitting golf balls, he sure looks like he'd be able to come back and play. But to me, Jay. The biggest question, Mark, is not whether he'll be able to swing a golf club, it's whether he's going to be able to walk.

Sony two holes. Like at a place like Augusta. Where, you know, that's a tough walk. And be able to do that four or five days in a row. And then if he's not.

That brings up, to me, kind of an interesting question, which is Is he gonna uh you know, is he gonna be like Casey Barton? Is he going to ask her a cart? And if he does. Is the PGA tour? gonna consider giving him one.

I mean, that's that's all kind of interesting stuff to me. All right, so that's gonna wrap up the front nine, but don't go anywhere. We'll be back with the conclusion of the Dan O'Neill interview. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. Hey everybody, it's Ben Skill.

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Some of the greatest displays of courageous golf that anybody has ever seen any place. Dan O'Neill is brought to you by Golden Tea. When You unpack that Tiger interview. You start thinking about the similarities between Ben Hogan and Tiger Woods, and after Ben's horrific head-on-card collision, you know, no one thought he was even alive back in the 50s. And then I think he came out to win 10 more events.

And I can promise you. knowing the way that this guy is wired. That's in the back, or in the front, or some part of his mind for sure. I would just go down to my grave saying that because Tiger loves the dramatic. He loves the attention.

He loves the center stage. And Man, I I and I've I've I've counted him out so many times, Dan, and he has just stuck it right in my face and uh others as well, you know, by the remarkable things that he's done. Yeah, well, I think, you know, you used the right term there, dramatic. And I what I guess what I'm trying to say, and I probably didn't say it well, but Set the table for dramatic. Because he made it Sound like it.

You know, it's. would be Miraculous for him to ever be able to contend or. win again and that he's not ever going to be that guy again and um You know, it just kind of lowers everybody, you know, lowers the expectations to the point where. If he does, it'll be again, it'll be like everything else he's done like No way, you know, that's impossible that he could do that. But I don't know.

I just, and I agree with you, Jay. I mean, I I don't think Tiger even plays unless he thinks he can win. He's never been a recreational player, a celebratory player. He's not going to go tee it up unless he thinks he can win. And I would not be I I mean, I may be out of my mind, but It wouldn't shock me.

If he's playing in the British Open next year because it's at Saint Andrews. And I mean, that's where he wins. He knows how to win there. That's an easiest wa that's the easiest walk in golf too. It it's it's right.

It's flat it's flat ish. There's a lot of mounds and things, but it's not like climbing the hills at Augusta. Right, absolutely. And I mean, it gives him. Or Southern Hills.

Southern Hills, the PGA. That's not an easy one. That is not an easy one.

So I really, when I'm looking at next year's schedule, I'm thinking, who knows? He may be back in. And uh competing at the British Open. I mean, it's the timing of it seems uh possible to me. If you've watched them hit balls.

on these videos you think well seven months from now, eight months from now, will we be able to play? Seems reasonable to me. Danny, he's been in the gym. Holy smokes, his arms are massive. Yeah, he looks like a weightlifter.

So give me your take. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt you. Give me your take on Brooks Kepka. What do you make of this guy?

Uh well, I you know, he's a hard guy to to know. I I I think he's a you know, just a terrific player. H his um I think he's uh his mental you know, he's really mentally tough. When I think about him, I think about a guy who's really Got it going mentally. And is able to, and I think part of that process is to Have a little bit of a chip on his shoulder.

He just has a way of uh just manufacturing some kind of issue or Controversy or whatever, you know, just to have that as a motivation. Um And he's good at that and and uh And like I said, he's so mentally tough. I think he uses that to his advantage. And obviously, he has a ton of talent. You know, it's kind of interesting.

Now, at the Hero, he talked about his new equipment, how much he likes it, how he's getting really comfortable with it. But he also talked about he's not going to take a lot of time off now. He's going to keep practicing and keep working with his His new stuff and getting a feel for it and everything. And that's like completely different than what he's. he'll do the thing where he shows up for the tournament and says, Oh, I haven't picked up a club in three weeks or something and I you know makes it sound like he never practic and maybe he doesn't, but you know, he talks always talks about how little he practices and and how much he's focused just on the the major championships and things like that.

Now he's talking about really uh working hard at it with this new equipment and uh Now that he's feeling healthy and everything, uh going towards next year and that's why Jay I think he's just gonna if if unless something else happens or he has some other a physical tweak or something and that he has to deal with. I think he's just going to be a bear in 2022, especially at the major championships. I love it. That was kind of my next question. Who takes a big step in 2022?

Because I look at some of these young players, Victor Hovlin, Scotty Scheffler, some of these guys that are not as well known, but certainly will be soon. We have s where golf is in such a good stead, isn't it, with some of these young players and the human beings that they are as well, Dan. Yeah, well, I love Victor Havlin. I mean, he, I covered the, and I think you were there too. is when a couple beats at the amateur.

And um Just a terrific kid. I mean, unassuming. You know, friendly, he's always smiling. I thought I just was really impressed with them. And then He's come out and turned professional and And hasn't missed a beat.

You know, he's just been every bit as good. On the PGA tour, as he was as an amateur playing at Oklahoma State. Again, he also seems to have, and it's more of a quiet, understated way. But he also seems to just have the right mental toughness. To hit shots.

I mean, we talk, you know, you talk about Morakawa being a great. A great ball striker and a great iron player. Holland is also in that same category, I think. I mean, his iron play is. just spectacular.

And, um And he just seems to have the demeanor where he doesn't let things bother him or or anything like that.

So I mean, I think he, in my mind anyway, he's moved into the top. you know, top five or six players. in the world. And I think you'll continue. In that direction next year, I think he's, you know, he's certainly a guy you would look at to win a major.

next year. The way he the way he's come on and the way he played. uh up to this point So I love that kid. I think he's terrific. And the other guy I think could have kind of a bounce back year.

It is Justin Thomas now. You know, he did win the players. this year.

So you you know you don't ever have to apologize for your year. Yeah. if it included winning the players' championship.

So But even he's talked about he had a tough year this year. I mean, It started off with the, you know, the the Mike catching his uh homophobics. And he got all kinds of grief for that and had to apologize for that. Then he lost his grandfather, who he's really close with. early in the year.

And uh I think that impacted him. And and you know, he did win the players, but he he hasn't, you know, won a major since he won the 2017 PGA. And um He wasn't quite, you know, on his standards anyway, he wasn't quite. the impact kind of guy on tour this year as he has been. And I think he realized that.

He you know, in the past few weeks, he's talked about you know, he just wasn't having as much fun. all these other things It bothered him and interrupted his season, and he just was frustrated. for this game and Things just weren't going well.

Well, now he's got bones on the back. Going into next year, those two are just getting to know each other. They're going to develop some chemistry. And they'll go into, he'll go into next year with a fresh start. I think he's really a guy to watch next year when you're talking about you know, winning more than once or winning a major and maybe a couple of other things.

I Justin Thomas sticks out to me. This is Golf with Jay Delsing, and I'm visiting with the great Dan O'Neill, our native St. Louis and golf writer sportsman. You know, Dan. One of the things that never gets talked about much is that what is it like to play the tour when life starts happening to you?

When you get married, when you have children, when a parent dies, when a divorce occurs somewhere along the line, maybe it's your parents, maybe it's you. You know, that's where life starts. happening and then you start finding out How did where golf fits. How do I manage this all of a sudden? Because what happened with Justin Thomas and the slur that occurred over at Kapalua was really difficult on him.

You could see. Um It affected him. And it hit him extremely hard, much harder than it would affect someone like Tiger Woods. If Tiger Woods said something, you know, Tiger's one of the most fine guys on the PGA Tour. His mouth has gotten him in all sorts of trouble with our entity.

But you could see that, and it's really interesting to see, you know, babies being born.

Now, Ricky Fowler's a dad. I think Jordan Speed's a dad. You've got this. life that comes into play, Dan. And that is challenging in itself.

Oh, without a doubt. And, you know, Hale Erwin always used to talk about that. and how his uh you know career Off the golf course, which late in his career, he got much more involved in golf course design and things like that. very much you know liked it as you know Someone like Jack Nicholas or somebody like that does. I mean, it became a big part of.

what he did and what he enjoyed doing. And it certainly Interrupted uh you know, his process or his Focus On the golf course.

So he used to talk about that quite a bit. And, you know, in the case of Jordan Speech, now he just. played pretty poorly at the hero. But In the Bahamas, and you just, you know, you shake your head and say, What the heck? They even had on Sunday at the Ian Henrik Stenson played from the wrong tee.

I never heard of that in my entire life. Yeah, crazy. I mean, it's something I would do for sure. I might play on the wrong tee on every hole, but. Uh so but Then you re you also gotta realize that, uh, he and his uh Jordan and Annie Steve just had a their first child, like two and a half weeks ago.

And anybody who's had a New baby in the house or around, that's a big deal. I mean, that affects. everything, including your sleep schedule and everything else.

So Yeah, there's no question, Jay, and you know it a lot better than I do, but um life happens off a golf course and and uh You're right. I mean, Justin Thomas is the kind of guy who would be affected. like that. I mean, he he does care about who he is and how he comes across and Um You know, so that that did impact him. I know.

Dan, the last thing, and I so appreciate your time this morning. The last thing I want to talk about is the great how this St. Louis area has just stepped up to the plate in the in the uh major golf scene the the The 2018 PGA Championship was a 10-run home run for golf, for the community, for everything.

Now we have the Ascension Charity Classic. These guys up at Norwood, they're there for at least the next three years. Um We get the President's Cup coming in 2030. And then we also are going to get the BMW Championship in 2026 at Bell Reef. My hat's off to Ascension.

And just. What they've kind of carried the banner now for St. Louis. But we've got some great golf to look forward to in this area. Yeah, Jay.

Well, you know, I've always sort of felt that St. Louis is has kind of gotten shortchanged. uh in that way you know I kind of compare it to uh The NFL teams they've had here. You know, St. Louis has now lost.

two NFL teams. And And then they g you know, it's it's sort of like th it gets the reputation of, well, they didn't support the team.

Well, that's that's not true at all. And that's that's The thing about golf, it was a shame that we had the LPGA, a regular LPGA event here, and then it left. And we had a regular s at the time senior tour. It was called Senior Tour. At Boone Valley.

for a few years and then it it left. But those things didn't go away because they weren't supported well. They were. They were supported really well. There's always been a great audience here.

for golf. I mean, let's face it, St. Louis is just a It's a really good sports town. The Cardinals do great here, the Blues do great here, the football teams do well here. Um but You know, in golf there's other factors.

I mean, you have to have the sponsors. And you have to have all those things lined up. And so that that doesn't always fall into place. And so St. Louis hasn't you know it's it's had Regular events here, and then they go away and come and go a little bit.

At any time there's been a a major event here. St. Louis has come out and draws the Set records. I mean, they set records at the 92 PGA, they set records. at the most recent PGA for attendance and Um you know, license sales and things like that.

So Uh and then you mentioned You're right. The ascension last year at Norwood Hills was just terrific. I mean, every player I talked to was just. They all raved about it and it was just you know they had good crowds the whole thing was done first class They had a good winner in David Toms. They had a good leaderboard.

Uh And they'll be back for the next couple years.

So it doesn't surprise me. St. Louis is always. Really supported golf. The bigger the event, the bigger the sport, the support it is.

And um you know, I I I I hopefully this the uh tournament at at Norwood Hills just becomes uh Set in granite, and it's here every year because people love golf here. And they came out in droves for that event, and they'll do it again next year. And as you mentioned, we'll have a President's Cup. Um here which will be unbelievable Um so I yeah. It's uh but it doesn't surprise me really because uh I I just think it's a great sports town and Golf's part of that.

Yeah, you know, the other sidebar to golf that just I hawk this all the time on the show, but it is such a societal powerhouse, Dan. When you think about the Ascension Group just raised $800,000 in its inaugural event for the North County charities in an area that really, really desperately needs some help and some revitalization. And you think about how this goes on every week around the tour, whether it's Champions Tour, whether it's a regular tour. There's nationwide our Corn Ferry tour as well that is doing this. It's just.

You know, when the PGA Tour at the end of the year donates more money than the MLB, NFL, NHL, and NBA put together. How do we not get more play out of that, Diddy? I mean, it just doesn't make sense to me.

Well, that's a good point. Yeah. I don't really know. You know, I I do think golf has much more of a community Yeah. I mean, in terms of an event, when you when you go to a a golf Tournament like the Ascension, or if you went out to Boone Valley when they had it there or whatever.

Um Yeah, and you're not just I mean, you you can be sitting in a seat at a green side or something like that. But there's just It's more like a woodstock kind of thing than it is. Going to a football or baseball game because people are walking around and they bump into other people they know. And I mean, it's really has more of a community feel to it. And I think that's another reason why it does well in St.

Louis because St. Louis is that kind of a town. And you're right, they do so much. They do raise a lot of money for charity, do a lot of good things. for the community, which is important.

I I just hope they can continue to you know fine the sponsors and and the people Uh, who are willing to invest in that, Jay, and make it a regular thing here in St. Louis because uh. There's no question it does well here. It's just just like I said about the the f the the the football Cardinals or the Rams Um They were supported here. People love sports here and they love going to golf tournaments.

They love that whole atmosphere that you have at a golf tournament. And you just hope there's so many things that go into it, beginning with sponsorships. You just hope that the St. Louis can continue to get find that kind of support for it. Yeah, no, absolutely.

And that's where you love, you know, in the middle of the pandemic, Ascension comes forth and inks this four-year deal with the PJ Tour champions, and who's right behind them? Emerson standing there and saying, Yeah, we're going to support this. I mean, that's what we have: the Centenes, the Edward Joneses of the world, the worldwide technologies. You know, and it's just going to get better and better, I think, with especially in the golf space where they've seen these things, how well they've been received, as you said, how well they're attended. St.

Louis has great corporate citizens, you know, that support them. And I think. I'm really thinking next year at Ascension is even going to be bigger and better, and we'll get more and more of those folks on board.

Well, you, Jay, you have a better idea than me about. What the players thought and how they embraced the tournament. It just seemed to me that. uh everybody was really impressed uh not not just uh with all the events and everything all the the uh support but also with the golf course i mean they They really seem to enjoy and not only enjoy, but respect. The golf course, which was kind of interesting to me because I just wasn't sure.

how uh the golf course would hold up. Yeah, that course gets very overlooked when talked about with the great courses here in town because it always goes to St. Louis Country Club or Old Warson or Bell Reef. But Norwood is a classic old style golf course. The golf is right in front of you and the greens can be a very, very difficult part of that, you know, that that.

playing that course. And yeah, some of the Greens gave the guys a a lot of trouble. But look at the winning score though, damn. Ten under par. I mean, that golf course held its own inc incredibly well.

Yeah, you know, it's it's interesting 'cause I adapted them. The uh the protection or or the trick or the fight battle, what however you want to put it. at that golf course is the Greens. And that's That's true of those old-fashioned golf courses that You know, that aren't tricked up or aren't manipulated and things like that. I mean, so many of them.

When you look at so many of the great golf courses, Um You know, they're mostly, or not mostly, maybe, but a lot of them are that kind of golf course. You know, the greens. The second shot. are really the critical things at those golf courses. And I think Norwich falls into that category.

Yeah, it sure did.

Well, Dan, I so appreciate you taking the time and visiting with me. You've got to come back on. I feel like we just scratched the surface here, my friend. Yeah, we didn't even get into baseball or hockey or anything, Jake. That's so.

That's surprising. Tell us how we can get your books, though. We di we've uh mentioned them earlier, but they're I've seen them both. They're terrific. Uh coffee table presentations are just gifts for the holidays.

Uh any sports fan in St. Louis would love them. Yeah, I think so. I mean, they're they're, you know, as you said, coffee table books. lots of great pictures that that people haven't seen.

And last, you know, both of them are little vignettes that sort of cover the. the era uh of of in one case the blues and in the other case the cardinals in the eighties and Um you know, highlight uh the biggest moments in those in those uh periods and and for those teams and um I you know, they're easy to read, they're fun to just sort of pick up and go through a little bit, and then you put it back down and. do it again a couple of days later, whatever. They're they're easy to read and uh hopefully people enjoy them anyway. Yeah, absolutely.

How can we get those? Are those on Amazon? Where do you work at that? Yeah, yeah, you can get them, you know, anywhere. Fine writing is sold, Jay.

No, you can get him. at all the bookstores are online. you know, and any place you normally would look for. for a book, they should be there. If they haven't sold out, that is.

All right, so that's going to do it for the Dan O'Neill interview. Pearl, just a quick takeaway as we wrap up. The back nine. I just like his demeanor. I thought you guys were having the best conversation.

Like you're both just sitting there having a little Niccolo Voltra and enjoying it. And I thoroughly enjoyed the interview. I'm looking forward to dissecting it with you in the next seg segment here. All right, that'll be great.

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We just finished 18 holes and we're headed to the Miklub Ultra 19th Old Pearly Pop One. Let's go. Yeah. Very, very nice. Who needs graphics when we got that throw?

It was awesome.

Okay, so one of the things that I loved about talking with Dan O'Neal, I loved his Arnold Palmer story. I loved his Arnold Palmer story. He just came right out of the gates and blasted us with the AP story. And it just really made me miss Arnold Palmer, John. Yes, it's not hard to miss Honor Palmer anytime you think about him, but it's it's also real easy to appreciate him when you hear stories like that Dan shared.

That's pretty awesome. That's why he was the king. I mean, at the end of the day, that's why he was the king, because he treated people like that. It's amazing when you think about it in today's world. How All of these players and all of these athletes have insulated themselves with so many layers of protection.

And oh, yeah, here you need to talk to my handler, handler B, handler C, handler D. Arnold Palmer, perhaps the most, you know, when AP died. I looked for words to describe him and Icon wasn't, I couldn't come up with something. That felt like it did him justice. And then when I think about, you know, today, And what our players are like and some of our athletes are like, I'm just like, damn, man, we've taken a step back.

Yeah. Yeah, there's still good guys now and that kind of thing, too. But yeah, he was definitely one that you wish more people would kind of see how they do it. But I think also, you know, this is probably for another show, but once upon a time, I think the news media and the news cycles and the social media didn't exist. You know, it wasn't, they weren't out there trying to root a guy either.

You know, and you could go out there and, you know, wing it more often. I don't know that. you know, the guys are too much at risk to to go weaning at this stage.

Well, Pearl, that's going to wrap up. Another show here. Man, these there our listeners have to love Getting a lot of Dan O'Neill and a little bit of you and I. That was the plan, and it came together nicely this weekend. It sure did.

Well, um, So, what's really cool, Pearl, we're going to do a little radio tease here next week. We start. The day after Christmas with our best of shows. And our best of shows next week are a little duet with the great Jack Nicholas and the great one himself. Wayne Gretzky, that we're going to recap those.

So come back next week. A goat show, a goat show. It's a goat show.

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