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This is golf with Jay Delsingh. A two-time college All-American at UCLA. A participant in nearly 700 PGA Tour events.

Seven professional wins to his credit. Over 30 years of professional golf experience. This is Golf with Jay Delsingh. Hey, good morning. This is Golf with Jay Delsingh.

I'm your host, Jay. I got Pearly with me. Pearly, what's happening this morning? Just a beautiful morning, ready to talk about a bunch of fun topics and kind of winding down the golf here.

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314-805-2132. All right, Pearl, we got a really fun show today. Our Gateway Spotlight is Jeff Whitfield. Jeff is besides a really cool dude. He's 65 years old.

And spoiler alert, I'm going to give away a little bit of what we talked about. But this guy is lighting up the tournaments that he's playing in. He's a player, double win. You got to check it out.

It's really fun. So, Jeff Whitfield is our Gateway Spotlight. He's also Pearl, built two golf courses. And he's currently the director of golf at the quarry at Crystal Springs. So, this man spent a lifetime of growing the game and doing really fun, cool stuff for the region and for all of us, we golfers that are playing the game.

Well, I'm glad you're highlighting these Gateway PGA Professionals. Every week, you've got somebody that's got quite a story. So, this is no exception.

And you know what, John, it's about time, right? I mean, these are the folks that are in the trenches and they get overlooked. I just feel like they get overlooked. That's because they're in the trenches for crying out loud. I know, the trenches. Nobody looks in the trenches, do they? Somebody's got to do the hard work and they're the ones doing it, thank goodness. That's why everything else kind of runs smoothly for the rest of us.

So, I'm with you. Very, very appreciative of these guys. I've got to talk to you about our buddy, Chris Nagle. He's gone out on tour. He has Mondayed in three weeks in a row, with the last week being the Rocket Mortgage Classic in Detroit Country Club. He plays his last nine holes on Friday, two under par to make the cut on the number. So, he makes the cut in the second one. He finished T-16th at John Deere three weeks ago. He flies down after Sunday's round down to Greensboro to four spot for the Monday at the Wyndham, shoots five under par, misses the playoff by one. What's the record for guys qualifying on Mondays, Jay?

Either in a row or total. I think it might be Patrick Reed, Pearl. I think that's how Patrick Reed got a lot of his notoriety. There's a few guys that have done it and have done it well. So, talk about that.

That is a hard, hard way to go. I can't even see you a couple times through the years and those things. And that's the deals where you can go out there, one depending on your tee time, draw relative to the wind, the weather, that kind of stuff. A lot of times the golf courses, at least back in the day, were mediocre to extremely poor. And you can go out there and shoot a 66 and not sniff making a cut.

Oh yeah, Pearl. I mean, remember one time I think when you were getting for me at Los Serranos, when I was trying to get into the LA Open, there was such a huge number. This was before the PGA Tour started regulating who they let in. It cost $100 back in the day and they let anybody in. So, a lot of these guys would just go pay their $100 because they wanted to play this golf course. So, I remember teeing off and they had to use three courses in LA because they had so many people trying to get in. And we hadn't teed off yet and there were two 64s and a 63 in.

And the wind's blowing and the greens are chewed off. Go for it. Have fun. I think I remember making a bogey on the third hole and I think you looked at me and go, I think our car just started.

And I was like, yeah, we need to go. It's interesting. It is not easy at all. You don't know the golf courses that you're playing. Oftentimes you have not had a practice round. It's just a testimony and a testament to what kind of golf he's playing and how a guy like Chris Nagel, who is completely unheralded except for around here, is such a good player and should be out there playing somewhere.

I mean, come on. If he can hang in there, he's going to get out there, I would assume. You've talked him up for years to me. And each year, it basically sounds like he's honing his crafts and getting better and better. It's just a tough haul. Hey, man, it's like starting a lot of businesses. You've got to work four or five years to know if your business is even going to make it, let alone start making money at it. I know he's been at it more than four or five years, but he's got a family. He's got a wife that supports the heck out of him. And if he didn't have that, he had no chance.

He'd be doing whatever the other thing he might end up doing anyway is going to be. I'm not sure what that'll be. Yeah, Lindsay. Lindsay's a great lady and they've got three boys and he was texting me this week and he said, you want to talk about crazy?

Come by my house sometime. How exciting. That's somebody that everybody can pull for and make it even more exciting when he does make it because the track he's on right now, he's going to make it. He's going to get that break. He's going to get that next level of confidence and then off he goes.

Yeah, I sure hope so. He's one of the great guys in the game. So I just wanted to give a little Chris Nagel update.

John, how do we get into the Tony Finau thing and do this thing justice? First of all, this guy is one of the most super cool dudes, relaxed, low key guys you're ever going to run into. Absolutely.

Absolutely. And an athlete to the core. I just love his story, hitting balls and he wasn't even really into a net. It was into a mattress in his garage or something like that. Something about he never even had a driver until he was nine or 10 years old or something like that.

And just a fun story. You know, Jay, winning the two weeks in a row the way he did, the one was it came out of nowhere and it was like a surprise and the other one was it wasn't a surprise to anybody. Everybody knew he was going to win. And I find that fascinating on the golf course that they played because it was an absolute shootout and he just shot the eyes out of the dang thing. Bro, he didn't make a bogey until his 11th hole on Sunday, I believe. Until an announcer three putt situation that absolutely messed him up. It was just so much fun.

But I just love so many of the things that he did. And you know, Jay, he had that out shot, that shot that you and I have talked about for you, that you kind of had it early in your career because you had the one iron. You pull that one iron and just try to blitz it down in the middle. But then there was a period of time in your career where that kind of guaranteed go-to shot wasn't necessarily there. It went. I went to it.

It was my go-to and it went somewhere. And with this guy can get up there and hit this little sawed off driver that goes out there about 315 yards. So it's pretty impressive. That's a hell of an out shot. So let's go back just a little bit.

I don't know if you remember this or not, but Pearl, how about the Milwaukee Open? Oh yeah. Brown Deer. This has been 120 years ago. It seems like it. It really does.

But we remember seeing a young player getting an exemption there named Tony Finau who was going after Brown Deer Park in a way that very few could. Wait a second. Let's do this justice. In a way that we didn't even imagine. That's how we went at it. He knocked it on number nine, which you had gone for before. Bubba we knew had knocked it on before daily. Those kinds of things. But he went on other things.

There was one par five that was, depending on the conditions, it was either a full driver for you that would put it right up against the creek's edge or a three wood depending on the wind. And he's knocking it over that thing. That was never a consideration. I kind of think that's bad getting. Why didn't you suggest that for me? Because it wasn't possible. That's why. That's a good point. Because had I suggested it, you would have tried for it.

Then we would have really been in trouble. No, John, it's amazing. The way that he took apart that, and I know he didn't have great results the first time. No, he did not have great results.

He either missed a cut one year, maybe barely made it to next year. But the point was, he was looking at doing shots and hitting things that weren't even, like I said, weren't even thought of back in the day. It was kind of that first step into the era of today.

No question, John. It was one of those deals, I will never forget on the 16th hole. We were laying up with about a three iron and then going into the green with a pitching wedge, nine iron, maybe a middle wedge depending on. It was a downhill tee shot, but there was a pond that guarded the front edge of the green.

I could turn this hole into a double bogey hole every time I get up there. I can remember this. It used to just piss me off. But anyway, I can remember after, but you and I got a plan and I birdied it like two of the three days after that.

Anyway, I'm babbling and rambling all over the place. No, that plan was important. We've talked about that before, but I remember specifically what it was. We finally determined that it looked 12 yards shorter than it was. So we would go and take that yardage and the last thing I would say to you is forget what it looks like.

Hit the number. Because over the green was dead. You were not going to get it up and down. But if you didn't, if you let your eyes play tricks with you, you're always going to have a 30 footer, which meant we weren't ever going to make birdie. Then we got away from that and just played the yardage and not what you saw and all of a sudden you were all over the pin. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, I can remember the last time on a Sunday stuffing one into one of the back right pins and looking at you going like, you know, why didn't we pick up on this five years? We figured that out right at the end of your career.

Yeah, exactly. Right when they gave me the old gold watch that said go on down. On that hole, Jan, it was how far? Probably 350 yards to carry the water? Something like that.

A little downhill, but roughly the hole's 380 to 400 yards long and 350 to carry the water and he took it over the water every day. So there you go. So how many guys in today's game would do some of those things? 10 guys a day?

15 guys a day? Yeah, yeah, I'd say so probably. It's just ungodly.

It's just, you know, you just can't even fathom it, can you? Okay, but I got to come back to that because I know you're talking about Rocket Mortgage and his win, but let's talk just for a minute about that golf course, Detroit Country Club. That's a throwback course, Jay.

No doubt. That's a Brown Deer. That's a, you know, a tree line, Midwest, and they don't play those courses anymore.

No, they don't. It's not the TPC style, John. To your point, it's throwback-ish. It's the stuff of yesteryear that we used to play and it's up and up and it's back and forth with the power that these guys have in their arsenal.

They just took that thing apart. I mean, Tony finished, what, 26 under par, 1 by 5? And Patrick Cantlay had another great finish to move up in the FedEx Cup point list.

Cameron Young clinched, not that he didn't have a clinch, but he clinched Rookie of the Year honors for sure. Okay, so we've got to take a break and do the tip of the cap, but we've got to come back and talk a little bit about Cameron Young. If there's any golf swing you could have out there, I might take his right now. That, the power and that rhythm that he has, Pearl, is absolutely beautiful.

What do you think? Let's talk about him when we get back. All right, cool.

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If I was wearing a hat right now, I'd be taking my hat off to you. You got in both the club pro championships. Tell us a little bit about this great play that you've been producing lately. Well, you know, we have a qualifier. Our section championship is a qualifier for the PGA professional national championship. And we had three spots available. And it was at one of my favorite places in the world, Persimmon Woods Golf Club. And that was just two weeks ago. And then right behind that is a 36 hole qualifier at St. Albans. That was for the senior national club pro.

So both of those events, the finals are in New Mexico, one in October and one next spring. At the regular division, playing with the younger guys, I just had a real good week and wound up playing with the younger guys. I just had a real good week and wound up winning by five or a good second day.

In fact, I would have had a good first day. But I made a quadruple bogey on the 13th hole after having it in real good position. But, you know, I think that frees you up sometimes, Jay. You know, when you have a real bad hole, it's kind of almost like a taste of pressure off. You know, you've blown it and now just play.

We'll get to go out and play against all the young guys next spring. And then yesterday at the senior qualifier, got off to kind of a poor start and shot 41 of the first nine holes and one under in the back, shot 75. And then today, my birthday actually, kind of relaxed and shot 66. And I'm delighted right now. So you're 66, Jeff, on your 65th birthday. Yeah. And, you know, that's a lot of good things happen. But I missed a four-footer on 17 that still leaves that.

Because I was thinking about that very thing. Wouldn't that be fun, you know, to shoot 65 on your 65th birthday? But I'm still very, very pleased and had a great time out there with Dave Levine and Andy Church today, two of my favorite guys to play with. And we all had a ball.

Well, congratulations. So let's talk a little bit. You have been doing really cool golf-related things in our areas as long as I can remember. Talk a little bit about the golf courses that you built.

Well, I mentioned Persimmon Woods. And that was – I'd had that bug for years before we got that conversation. It's so hard to get a new golf course project off the ground with all the various permitting and, of course, the financial issues. It's a very complicated deal. But I found the right piece of ground and a wonderful owner, Gabby Hansler and his family. And things just worked out. We put together a long-term lease. And then I found some great equity partners and then went to work.

And we got it permitted. And I built the golf course and the maintenance facility and the clubhouse. And everything came together very well. And we opened Persimmon in 1998 with a full membership before the first round of golf was played. So it's been, you know, very successful and a lot of great players out there. And the golf course has always been good. Rob Ritchie was the superintendent for the first 25 years. And that was really his baby.

He grew it in. And I can't remember a time when the golf course wasn't good. So the problem was it made me so – such a bug that about five years after we opened, I got involved with a project in Columbia, Missouri, called the Club at Old Hawthorne. It took a few years, again, to get that off the ground, but we started construction in 2006 and opened Old Hawthorne in actually late 2005. We opened Old Hawthorne in 2007. And it's the home of the University of Missouri men's and women's program.

It's a private club. It hosts the Tigers. And I was a former Missouri player.

And so that was a big motivation there. And again, we've been very fortunate. It's always been very well received and in excellent condition, you know, a lot of activity at both places.

Well, just congratulations on that. Give us a little bit of update. I know we've had all these heavy rains.

What's happening at the quarry? Are you guys just about reopened? You know, that freak storm kind of parked right over us. And sure enough, we got covered up again.

And we are looking as hard as we can, as fast as we can. We've got pumps going around the clock, about six of them, and we're getting the water off. Hopefully a week or so behind that, we'll have the golf course ready to go.

It might be 10 days, but not as bad as the situation we had a few years ago when we lost all of June and July and then a lot of repair. We got the water off quicker this time. We're getting better at it.

You're getting a lot of practice. And there's flood control measures that are underway by the county that should preclude this from happening again in the future, hopefully. So it was kind of a fluke deal. We thought we were, gosh, in really good shape. River was low, lake was low, and there were no thoughts of flooding this year, but that's the situation right now.

But the quarry was in excellent shape beforehand, and I think we'll be just fine in a week or two. This is Jeff Woodfield. His is the Gateway Section PGA Spotlight. And Jeff, good luck in both the Club Pro Championships and keep doing what you're doing for St. Louis and for golf.

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Pearly's with me. We're headed to the front nine brought to you by the Ascension charity classic. Hey, John. We left off, talking about Tony female Cameron young, did you happen to see any of Tony females victory celebration, when he got back home, flies in this little private plane gets out of the thing it's like almost like the entire community was waiting for him there. Did you see any of that you're you're pumped up about it but no I have not seen it.

Oh my gosh, it's fantastic. It was the community comes out, you know john. Yeah, he's got some of these Samoyed background, particular dance, and some of these traditional things that he and his family are adhering to and they've got some of that dance going on they got music going on they got the family together, and it just looks so much fun. He's got five children. His wife is a rock star, and they're just having a great time. He seems like he's having a great time, you know, I like that they talked about his shoes too because he's not playing those golf tennis shoes he's playing golf tennis shoes. Oh yeah, which just fits the rest of him he's just kind of got that that casual half Jean looking pants that he wears kind of goes along I guess there's a fair amount going on inside, but he looks calm as a cucumber, what reminds me when you talk about his shoes is it the par three tournament in Augusta, when he dislocates his ankle and throws a bone back in there after he makes a hole in one all that just that makes me sweat a little bit right now when I started thinking about it. Well, I don't know how he how he recouped from that right away I would have been in the cast for probably nine to 12 weeks.

Oh, and up on the couch. Yeah, and he just snapped it back in place and kind of kept on going so late the whole week. I mean that's not an easy place to pound around it to the walking at Augusta Nationals not easy, I gotta say to you know he was staying pretty cool and calm after the win, and I think they did a good job pointing out because one of the keys for him was, I don't believe he had had a lead and finished winning.

He was 0 for 5 with 54 hole leads on the PGA Tour. So you know in a guy's world like that, that's a big deal, that's a big burden to bear because you don't get that many chances to get over that hump. He got over that hump, he was emotional about it, then he started talking about his son and he completely lost it, which you and I can relate to which is which is pretty appropriate and pretty cool as well. No question. I have to say just relative to what I thought was cool things about it, how do you say her name? Jenner, the lady that interviews them?

Amanda Jenner. She just did a great job with that whole thing, just talking to him. I just think she might be one of the more sincere people on TV, she's just kind of friendly the way she warms up to the guys, the guys trust her and she just does a great job. It's fun to see between her and him, you saw some real honest moments which I just think is fantastic. It's not all this canned garbage, it was just real sincere. It was fun to see.

Yeah, it's not easy to do. Those interviews on the fly are not easy to do and she handles them beautifully. I totally agree. I totally agree with you. Alright, so Cameron Young, we're going to talk about him a little bit. What a year this kid's had.

It's unbelievable. Jay, the thing that impresses me the most which is one of those things and I kind of hate it when they say, oh look at his eyes, look at his eyes. Forget his eyes, just the way this guy carries himself.

There's just a level of belief, of determination, of grit. I just think he's kind of got that walk. I think he's on a mission. I hope he is because it'll be fun to watch him execute this mission because he's a freaking gunslinger. He gets up there, he hit that one drive.

Oh, I know. When's the last time you see a pro hitting fat like by a foot? But he's just throwing the kitchen sink at it every time.

It's just fun to see him go. Well, you can also see to me, John, he looks like see ball hit ball. Now, I'm sure there's a hell of a lot more going on inside, but he just looks like he is so committed to this easygoing way and just, you know, standing up there. But, John, he's almost got a little bit of that Mariyama-ish pause at the top and hit is loaded up in that right side. I think of you all the time when we're talking about loading up that right side and that ball is smashed. What also is impressive is I watched him hit a couple of little shots around the green and hit some of these little lower wet shots in there too, John. You don't see the younger guys on tour equipped with that shot all the time anymore. That's a great point, but I think his dad's a pro.

That's Sleepy Hollow, no question. And that's a cool place. He knows how to play the game. That's a great observation, Jake, because that's a big deal. I liked what you said too on how simple his swing looks and he just goes bat and ball and just kind of goes after it.

It's fun. I just hope he goes a long way with this thing because that's the kind of guy we want on Ryder Cup and President's Cup in my opinion. He just looks like a guy that's just ready to go compete and bring it on. How about the eagle? He makes it the 72nd hole at the British Open and finished solo second.

Well, that's what I was going to say. Both tournaments, the last couple of tournaments I've seen him up there doing really well. He stumbles a little bit, but he's got a great comeback. He stumbles. He doesn't back off. He's like, okay, fine.

I stumbled out. Now what treat do I need to go knock down to make birdie on this hole? And he just gets it done.

So there's a lot to be said. Yeah, great finish at the British Open. We talked about that, but there was other parts in the middle of the British Open where at least if you listen to the analysis, it sounds like, oh, he's going to fade.

We're not going to see him anymore. Boom, he'd come back right with another birdie and another birdie. There's just no back off. He believes what he's doing and he can miss a couple shots. That's an important quality to have out there.

No question. And you know, Janet reminds me of a little bit like Jim Furyk. He doesn't have the classic golf swing. I was talking to Lee Trevino who was in St. Louis this week for the Ascension charity luncheon kickoff and just fantastic. We're going to get Lee, Lee Buck on the show. He could just talk. He could talk a hound dog off a meat wagon, Pearl. This guy can talk.

I'll never forget the first time I played with him. He was talking the entire time and he said, listen, you don't have to say anything. You just have to listen. He just wants to talk the whole time. At one point in the luncheon, he said, yeah, I can't wait to go to bed at night. And they said, why?

He goes, so when I wake up, I'm just so excited to hear what I got to say. Because he's just really funny. He said, if you cut the modern day players' heads off, they'd all look the same with their golf swings. You cannot say that about Cameron Young.

He does not have that typical classic kind of manufactured golf swing from the teachers. And the fact that he has his dad as his coach, you know, John, it reminds me of J.T. and his dad, Mike.

And that solidifies quite a bit in that golf game. All right, John, that's going to wrap up the front nine. Folks, don't go anywhere. Pearly and I are going to break down everything L-I-V. This is called, what's this called, Pearly and the Radio Business?

It's called a tease and we're going to do it a little bit differently, hopefully, than you've heard others go at it. That's right. And that's going to be on the back nine.

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Let's talk about LIV. Well, I wanted to look at it a little bit differently. I mean, it's easy and I keep saying I don't get it.

I'm not seeing it. I'm not understanding what's going on. Well, I've dug into it a little bit more and at least for me, suddenly some things are popping out that are making more sense. The whole team thing and how they're going to start selling things as teams. And let me preface this. Jay, I think a lot of this has to do with betting.

I think they're going to set this thing up so that people throughout the world can bet big time on this whole event. You know, I had lunch with a friend the other day. We were talking about this and some other sports and how things have changed and that kind of stuff.

And something really interesting that made sense, but I hadn't heard anybody express it this way. He's about my age and he said, my kids and grandkids don't really follow teams per se. They don't care about the Chicago Bears or Detroit Lions or that kind of stuff. They're much more into the player. So they watch games and they say, I don't care who won the game.

How did so-and-so in my fantasy football team do? That's what they care about. And so when they're talking about trying to get these younger guys, younger fans involved and interested in golf, that's what I think they're edging to. So when you look at the teams betting, the individual betting, because there's both of those things. Start forming teams, have logos for teams, names for teams. Now all of a sudden you're selling jerseys, logos or whatever that logo would enhance. I think there's all kinds of things that can stem from that. And just trying to find a path of why this is making sense, because at the end of the day, they're wanting to make money.

And so how is this thing going to come down? So all of a sudden you've got this world tour in their mind with teams that are recognized throughout the world. And there's going to be some unique qualifying in the future for teams and individuals to get on these teams.

I can only imagine that there'll be combines, if you will, trades, if you will. They can incorporate maybe best practices for all the different sports. And all of a sudden, at least for me, I don't know that I'll find it interesting because I don't generally follow that kind of stuff.

But I can see where they're taking those best practices from all these other sports and trying to meld it in. And at least when I start playing with it and noodling in my noggin, some pretty interesting and exciting things start popping out. I won't go with exciting. I'll go with interesting.

I'm a little behind you in the excitement for that. I will say, as we decided to take a look at this and try to be much more objective, it's just hard for me. I always want to play on the PGA Tour. The only thing I ever wanted to do was PGA Tour. And I am sounding like a PGA Tour hawk because this is a hard one for me to get my hands around. But when in our lifetime has golf been talked about more?

Yeah, exactly. The national news in the evening, the syndicated cable news in the evening, follow-up conversations. Wasn't Norman on with Carlson a couple nights ago or something like that earlier in the week?

He was. And then the clips from that were played all over the place. We did talk about this several weeks ago. It's like NFL, AFL, NBA, ABA. Good things are going to come of this. There's huge disruptions. There's some people that are really getting their feelings hurt.

You know, Davis Love kind of put his heart out there talking kind of like you do about his love for the tour and what's happened. But you know, there's disruptors. Things change. You know, businesses that were around 100 years ago aren't around anymore. Things that we thought were going to be stables the rest of our lives just aren't stables anymore.

So things change. And I don't know how it's going to all come out and meld together. Unfortunately, I think there's going to be more lawsuits than we can count. But at the end of the day, I think some interesting things can come of this.

And that's what that's my hope. Now there's no question about it, John. One of the things that I thought was interesting as we dove into this is that the average age of the viewing golf fan was somewhere around 63 or four years old for the PGA Tour. And that is something that LIV has taken a direct aim at and trying to bring it more fun, including music. One of their catch lines is this is golf except louder. You know, they're just trying to present an entirely different format. I think in the London event they had a music concert every day after, you know, the tournament was over.

Now, John, one of the other interesting things, we talked about this off the air a little bit. Shotgun starts are purposeful because they're trying to condense the window of the golf coverage. They don't want this thing to be on TV for four hours. I get it. I still don't see how that's any kind of an advantage other than for their costs, them trying to condense the thing. And I suppose guys all playing in similar conditions.

So I could see some pluses. But where's the excitement? I guess you're just watching it like in real time on the screen. But, you know, one guy's on his third hole and he's competing against the other guy that's also tied for the lead and he's on the 14th hole. John, think about this.

I thought about this. It is a nightmare for in-person fans. They're not going to know. The golf course is going to be absolutely full all over the place.

They're not going to, they're going to, wait a second. Dustin Johnson started on number three today, so he's going to finish on number two. So, and now we got, we can only come in here for nine holes. Where is he? Oh, he's got to be somewhere around number 11 right now. And we're trying to look for Phil Mickelson and Phil's at the back of the pack and can't beat anybody.

And he started on number 18 today. He finishes on number one. This format is going to be a much more made for television sort of thing than it is for made for in-person viewing. If they stay with the shotgun format.

Oh, I don't even know how it's made for television. I'm going to make a prediction here. I think they go away from it. I agree. I was just going to say the same thing. I think, you know, one of the things you were commenting on is it's kind of sketchy on a lot of things they're doing.

And I think, to their credit, and you can relate to this because you just opened a new business. Wild Crush Wine Bar. Wild Crush Wine Bar.

Not to plug your Wild Crush Wine Bar business, but you did open Wild Crush Wine Bar. And just look at all the things that you learned from that. You know, you guys had what you wanted to do in your head. You had thought it out. You had planned it out. And then you started executing it. And you went, oh, this is a bad idea.

This isn't going to work. So, you know, you attacked to the left. You attacked to the right.

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You know, things aren't going to work. And these guys are trying radically different things. I can also imagine, just again, trying to be positive and open to this. I can also imagine unbelievable amount of screens on the golf course when these guys were playing. So that they can, in fact, be watching DJ on the seventh hole putting the tie. Reed, who's on the 14th hole, who's got a putt for birdie on a par 3.

And DJ's got a putt for birdie on a par 5. And you can be watching them in real time up on a screen or something. So I think there's a lot of different possibilities that these guys are going to go for. I don't think it's wise to doom them just because we don't get it. We've learned a hard way that that is not the way to go. And one of the things that I can say, what's interesting about LIV that I can compare to our team at Wild Crush is the three of us at Wild Crush are very nimble. We're very quick to make adjustments. But it's okay to try stuff, you know what I mean?

And to say, well, we're tossing that out because, hell, nobody bought that wine or this idea didn't work and we're going to try something else. And I think as you relate that to LIV, you know, you're going to see how quickly things develop. I think one of the stumbling blocks is, and you know the way I love PGA Tour players, but there's also certain things, and I do, I respect them and I believe, and they're fantastic players. But they've also had things their way and they've been their own bosses most of their lives. So when all of a sudden they're kind of under this umbrella, if you will, of an exhibition, roadshow, different type of things going on and they're being told how many more times to play, the rules are being changed, the format's being changed, the teams are being changed.

Those boys don't care much for change in general. So it's going to be interesting on which ones kind of gravitate and kind of embrace this stuff that's going on because there's going to be some of them that there's, I'd love to be in the locker room to hear some of the scuttlebutt on their opinions because they're also some of the wisest people on the planet. You already know that because they know everything. They know everything. Yeah.

It's, it's, it's, it's an interesting concept. I don't, we talked to our college teammate, Tom Randolph, who is the assistant executive producer for NBC golf. He's been working with Tommy Roy for helper over 30 years, right? And you've been with him at Ryder Cups and you've been with him at various different things. Tommy's wonderfully talented guy, really smart guy.

He has been watching this thing close and has lots and lots of questions. And one, one of the comments he made to me as we talked on the phone this week was, yeah, I was watching DJ have a putt on the last hole for 500 and some odd thousand dollars. And he said, I couldn't care less because I knew he'd already had 125 million that he was paid and he happened to make it.

And then he made another $850,000 because his team won. And again, it seemed insignificant now. And that's all, that's all held against the money that they've already been guaranteed. No, I don't think that's the case. They've disputed that. Yep.

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Hey, good morning. Golf with Jay Delsing is back. Pearl is with me. We are headed to the 19th hole. Kind of to give a shout out to my buddy Peter Allen and the loading dock at Grafton. Great spot. Went up there last week. We will be doing a show from there this year. A lot of fun, Pearl. We've got to get up there to that loading dock. It's a really fun place to have a cocktail and listen to some music.

I love that area and I definitely want to do that. We're talking about it. I know I messed it up last time, but let's do it. Yep, absolutely. All right, so Pearl, we were talking about... It's all about LIV and I had made the misspoke about the money being held against the guaranteed money. You're saying that they're saying that's not true.

I just think it's another one of those things that's not quite settled. There's a lot of different information out there, but at the end of the day, the other thing you learn firsthand, when there's a group trying to televise a tournament, they'd better be pretty damn skilled and understand what's going on to really get that right. You know, you guys at Fox had some challenges with some of that kind of stuff, and that's why you were talking to Tommy Randolph about who's got 30 years experience and that NBC crew kind of knows how to do it. So it's going to be interesting to see how these guys at LIV pull this off to where it makes some sense trying to follow what's going on out there. They make it look easy. It is not easy.

It is not easy. The term it takes a village has never been more appropriate than that because the production crew, the staff that's out on the golf course, the cameramen, the people handling the wires, all these hundreds and hundreds of people on that team making that thing try to look seamless so the golf coverage goes over. But where do you stand on how important some sort of television or streaming partnership is for LIV moving forward? Well, if people are going to watch it and follow it, I would think it would be wildly important for it to be some kind of a major offering, a major, you know, offer for us to be able to follow the darn thing. And again, I think you have to follow it to a certain quality. I don't think it can be halfway if you really are interested in watching a game.

I mean, how often do you watch a game that you can't watch the players? So, I mean, somehow they got to come together when you got whatever it is. But what do they have, 80 guys or something like that on the golf course in 18 different holes trying to figure this thing out? There's going to be a lot to it. I talked to Farity. They are supposedly going to bring his show back. I love that.

Yeah, and I do too. I mean, it's one of the reasons why he defected. When we were talking about the opportunity, Henrik Stenson's name came up, John. And one of the interesting things about Henrik Stenson, and I did not know this until this week, Henrik Stenson, for folks that don't know, was appointed Ryder Cup captain for the European side earlier this year. And with that captaincy on the European side comes a contract that is signed. And I did not know that. He is the only under contract individual in the whole outfit.

The players are not under contract, none of that. So for Stenson to come over to LIV, he breached his contract with the European Ryder Cup folks. I found that interesting, Pearl, because Bob Herrick, who I was telling you about, has been a great golf writer for a long time. We're going to get him on the show as well.

He's gone to all three LIV events. And folks, if you're not familiar with the Morning Read, check it out. It's a great golf publication. It's all golf related.

Every once in a while, this particular show that you're listening to now pops up there as one of their preferred podcasts. And that always gives us a really nice boost. But Bob was talking about what it is and what it's not, having his feet on the ground at the three tournaments. One of the things that was unmistakable, and you know this and I know this well, these players don't want to play poorly. There's no question about that. How hard are they going to work to prepare? I think you're hitting on something that is only going to be seen over time. But I think the way the tour was set up, point system, proving yourself all the time, basically starting from scratch every year.

There was a structure, if you will, that they played within that promoted them to practice hard and do the right things and stuff. And to your point here, I don't know, Jay. I don't know. They've got the money in the bank. They're already kind of paid on the situation. There might not even be world ranking points. There might not be other things that they're going after.

I think a lot of that built-in incentives and structure is gone or could be gone. It's going to beg them to figure out a very different way to keep themselves motivated. Right.

I totally agree. And what happens when are you going to say, well, hell, next year in 2023 they have 14 events. You're like, well, I'll prep a little bit for number one. But by maybe the fourth or fifth event, I'll start playing better.

But that's one way to look at it. The other is if there is teams, there is tons of money, there is tons of exposure throughout the world. They're being bet on all over the place. Maybe there's that where it's just like, hey, I really want to be part of this. This is going to be fun.

This is going to be cool. We're world golf rock stars. So that's where that other positive side of it that I'm sure they're trying to build. I can't believe we can think whatever we want to think good, better and different about Greg Norman.

Him and the people involved in this are not knuckleheads. They've been around the game the whole time. They had to have thought of certainly most everything, not everything that you and I come up with because we're so unique and creative and… Wonderful.

…and wonderful. Yeah, pretty much. That's what it is. So, I mean, they've thought this kind of stuff through. Now, how much has ego and money gotten in the way of some of their thinking?

Who knows? But that's where I think there's a path that I just wasn't seeing a couple of weeks ago to where this could be fun and cool. And then you would want to be part of it and you would work hard to be part of it for a different way in a different manner.

We'll see. Now, Pearl, one of the things that had me up in arms a little bit about the poorly designed nature of what they were doing is that they didn't talk much about charity. And we come to find out there is an arm called Live to Give, L-I-V to Give, and they've committed $100 million. They didn't talk about timeframe that they were covering over this, but they did donate a million dollars to each to a bunch of local charities in and around Bedminster, Portland, and the London area for the first three events. And then there's Val Skinner Foundation.

They donated quite a bit of money to her foundation to try to help eradicate breast cancer and love, love seeing that. So there are some of the things, you know, John, it just seems to me like there's just a lot of stuff that's not. I would have had my players if I'd been Greg Norman, I would have had my players well versed on what to say when you're given a press conference, especially right out of the gate, man. I'd have been talking about our charity. I've been talking about growing a game in the Middle East and around the world. Like you said, worldwide rock stars, we're trying to lower and bring the game, the average age of the viewership down.

All of these things that you're trying to do, I would have had my guys well versed on this and none of those, none of that happened. Well, yeah, whether it did and they didn't perform or whether it didn't, there's a lot of shooting from the hip. I totally agree with you, Jay. I think like a lot of startups, they're going to have to figure a lot of things out on the fly.

And I think a year from now, it could look remarkably different. And I think it'll take that. Yep, right on, Pearl. Hey, thanks for doing the show with me. We got another one under our belt. John, we got a couple of great guests in the hopper. We got Mike Torrico on the way and we got the great Mark McGuire, MLB fame, home run king, super cool human and can really swing the golf club. We got them coming up on the show.

Absolutely. And we lost a great sportsman in Bill Russell. So we're going to talk about that next show at some point as well.

Yeah, I will. Just a little parting shot on Bill Russell. He was on the David Faraday show and he said, David said to him, what would you say to anybody that was coming into the NBA now and trying to make their way? What would you say to them? And he said, I'd say two words to them.

Be kind. He's a special man. I've been looking into him a little bit.

That's why I'm looking forward to talking to you about him. Maybe a 19th hole next show. John's great, Pearl.

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