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This is golf with Jay Delsing, a two-time All-American at UCLA, a participant in nearly 700 PGA Tour events, seven professional wins to his credit, over 30 years of professional golf experience, a member of the St. Louis Sports Hall of Fame. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. Welcome into Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm Dan McLaughlin. That's Jay Delsing.

We're presented by Darty Business Solutions. Jay, I'm going to jump right into it. I cannot wait to visit you with our guest, one of the great players, one of the great people in our game of golf, and that is the Hall of Famer, Lee Trevino.

I can't wait. Danny, this guy, well, first of all, he's got a St. Louis connection. He won the St. Louis, was it called the St. Louis Classic or the St. Louis Open?

St. Louis Open. I think in 1973, I think it was, to have him back last year for the celebrity shootout as one of our legends. It's interesting because the guy never stops talking, and he's so fun to be around. I know you're going to ask him about that. He came back for the Ascension Charity Classic. It was that shootout at Norwood Hills, and one of the things I want to ask him, and maybe you will too, is just how has the course changed or what his initial impressions were going back to Norwood Hills?

Oh, man, 100%. I mean, this is a guy, he eats, drinks, and sleeps golf, 24-7 golf. I can remember, I think we told a story again a while back, but back in the day when I first got on the PGA Tour, he was still playing, and Dave and Mike Hill were two guys who played all the time, and Lee was paired with Mike Hill, and Mike went up to him and said, hey, Lee, I'm paired with you today, and I don't feel like talking too much, and he goes, that's fine because all you have to do is listen. He doesn't care if you talk. He just talks all day. You know, he's 80 plus years old, and still I've seen so many interviews with him, and podcasts, interviews, those kind of things. He's still sharp as a tech, and that's what I love because he can talk about today's game, but also reflect on being struck by lightning, or maybe I'm going to ask him about his time in a movie with Happy Gilmore.

I can't wait to visit with him. I agree, and you know, what's really weird, Danny, is he did not have a long career, and that's amazing to me. Doing the research and going, is this right? I mean, he won, I believe it's six majors in 29 golf tournaments in 13 years. I mean, that's Jack Nicklaus prime, and it's Tiger prime, and also a fellow like Arnold Palmer was still playing at the time. You know what I mean?

That's, that's a short window. So you mentioned that he was at the tail end of his career. You're just getting going on the PGA Tour. Did you ever get paired with him? Or if you did, or didn't, did you just go out and say, you know what, I want to watch Lee Trevino and see how he goes about his business.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I used to go to the back, go to the range and just sit down. And I remember Tom Weiskopf was the tallest guy on tour. He and Andy North and I went up to him and I introduced myself to him. I said, Hey, Mr. Weiskopf, you know, this is my name is Jay Delsinger. Do you mind if I just watch you hit some balls?

He goes, No, come on, you know, ask me questions, do whatever. And just watching him his rhythm, you know, because he's a big man, six foot three, which back then was unheard of, you know, and so I'd watch him. And then you go watch a guy like Lee Trevino, who's five foot seven, and doesn't swing anything like it. And it was amazing, because both of them were great and went about it entirely differently. We have a national podcast together, which has been fantastic. We've had big guests from Tom Watson, David Farity, we had this past week, which was awesome. We had the chance to visit with the aforementioned Andy North we had Curtis strange on, I'm going to throw this at you because Lee Trevino was a guy that would go pound balls after he was done a great ball striker, as you well know, but all these guys say if I could do it differently, and go back and practice after my round, probably 90% would be spent chipping putting and 10% would be you know, hitting the driver hitting balls doing that kind of thing because if I was going to win an event or if I was going to dominate or if I was going to put myself in contention, they all said, I need to get my short game right. I find that incredibly interesting. Yeah, it's amazing when I tell anybody that wants to really get better at the game, start from the green and work backwards because, you know, Danny, when you think about it, you're standing on the tee and you usually have a 30 to 40 wide yard fairway to hit into.

But then you're as you get closer to the hole, that cup is a little over four inches wide, man, that targets so much narrower, you're, you're spent so many more shots from 100 yards on in than you do from back on the tees. You mentioned visiting with Lee Trevino. And you're the kind of guy Jay, I don't know if people know this, you're not quiet. You're not quiet. You're happy to go up and say, how you doing? I'm Jay delsing. I'm new to the tour.

I'd like to pick your brain. Were most guys willing to do that? You know, the big names on tour?

Were they willing to accept you and say, yeah, I'll talk to you. And this is some of the things that I do both on and off the course to, to become a PGA tour player and to stick around. Some of them were, you know, Danny, it's interesting because the middle layer, there were not a lot of guys glad handed you when you first got out, you're fighting for a spot, you're fighting for money and their spot. Yeah.

You know what I mean? And each year you have 50 new, younger, stronger, faster guys coming out and there's only 125 jobs. If you think about that, relate that to the other sports, we all love the other sports. I mean, there's 26 men on a baseball team now there's 25 guys on a, on a hockey roster, you know, and, and 30 plus teams, 125.

Yeah. I mean, that's a low, low number. And so even, um, if you look at the NBA has 10 or 11 guys on a team and, and you know, so they'll have 300 or so NBA players. It's just a really, really small number. So it probably took Danny three years before, before, before I still knew there were guys that I, you know, look, my personality can easily rub you the wrong way. I totally get that. It's not, that's not hard for me to understand, but some guys would just want to help you because they know the game is hard enough and it look, if you can do it, God bless you. You know, I'm trying to do it. And, uh, but other guys would be like, I'm not, you know, get paired with them and not say a word to you all day long. Were you willing though, to do that?

I guarantee you were the kind of guy that said, even though he was trying to steal your lunch, you were willing to help those kinds of guys out. Yeah, absolutely. Because I don't know, you can't root against other people. I just can't do that. I I'm, if I'm in a playoff with you, I want to win. I want to win with every fiber of my being, but you're going to stand over a three foot putt and me root for you to miss it.

I can't do that. I'd much rather root for me to birdie the hole and you lip a putt out or something like that and have it go my way as opposed to, you know, having something off. It's more of the sportsman, the way that I was raised in the way that golfers were raised.

It's a, there's a mutual admiration, I guess, Danny, because the game's so hard. Well, speaking of missing putts in a playoff, we saw that last week with Jordan Spieth of all guys to miss on a couple of putts that probably he makes nine out of 10. He pushed them both, right? One lipped out and he, he loses in the playoff at Hilton head. I just, I was shocked to see him losing that spot. He was our pick. Yeah, he was our pick. We had, we had him and we have been hot with our picks folks if you're interested in laying a couple of dollars down, pay attention to a beyond the fairways and we talk a little bit about it here as well. But yeah, for, for Jordan, I guarantee a Matthew Fitzpatrick was feeling like he was dodging bombs, you know, and then all of a sudden he stuffs it on 18. So how about Matthew Fitzpatrick hitting a pitching wedge from 173 yards, 173 wedge.

I'm like, that's a typo. So if you were playing back in the day, one 73, what club are you using? Let's say just normal, like normal conditions.

The wind is, is settled. What are you hitting? One 73 between the seven and an eight, maybe an eight because it'd be really jacked up.

But for the most part seven and I was Danny, I was always in the top 10 of the longest players in my generation. Why bring it up? I know it's crazy. It is absolutely insane. What is the key? And I think this relates to the average golfer that's out there and they're the duffer and, but they've got money on the line and that's what makes golf great because you can be Jay Delsing or Dan McLaughlin, who's probably a 14 or a 12, whatever I am and you're scratch and we can compete and all of a sudden come down to a playoff or that final hole. I guess you play it the same to an extent, but you're kind of in match play at that point because you got to look at what the other guy's doing and all of a sudden the money's on the line. So what's the key when you go into a playoff or for the, even the average guy going into that time where you got to beat that guy and you got one hole to go. So the key is this always, if you, especially when you're on the green, always expect your opponent to make, always expect your opponent to make, because if he, if you're not and he does, you'll never step up and make your putt. You will be so shattered mentally if you're not expecting him to make. So I'll do that now when I'm playing in a little match or something and I, and I've got a three footer and my buddy's got a 12 footer. I'm expecting him to make, because really, yeah, because if he does, and then if he doesn't play with me, it's like a bonus. Yeah. Once we get, we'll talk about that on these, this show too, that'll, that'll fill up a couple of shows. Some of our, our antics out on the course, but you need to be prepared mentally because when your opponent does something really, really well, it can deflate you and it can really, you can lose your focus and your attention.

And so always assume your opponent's going to make, and if he misses, it's a gigantic bonus. Golf with Jay Delsing. It's presented by Doherty Business Solutions. Later in the show, there was news this week with Tiger Woods. We'll get into that PGA tour stop. If you've been watching this weekend team format, which makes it a lot of fun, but up next, we're going to visit with the hall of Famer. One of the greats in the game, one of the characters in sports, and that is Lee Trevino. This is Golf with Jay Delsing presented by Doherty Business Solutions. And before we hear from Lee, let's get our tip of the cab. Thanks, Danny. The tip of the cab is brought to you by our friends, Colin Burt and Dean team, Volkswagen and Kirkwood 314-966-0303. Colin's a great guy.

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Find out more at ascensioncharityclassic.com. What a pleasure it is to bring in the great Golf Hall of Famer, Lee Trevino. And Lee, thanks for joining us. We appreciate your time so much.

No problem. How you guys doing, man? We've been down here in an ice storm, so I'm kind of my daughter's birthday today, so I'll be talking fast. I'll be talking real fast today. Do you ever not talk fast, though? You always are talking fast.

Every once in a while, you know, when the priest used to make me say the Hail Marys and I couldn't remember all the words, so I go real slow. You know what I'm saying? Understood. Understood. Oh, my gosh. Lee, I sit there and think about your career and a fantastic career. But one thing that comes to mind, Lee, and I want you to talk about this just a little bit, please. You really did accomplish what you accomplished in a short period of time, maybe 13 years or so on tour.

Tell us a little bit about that. Well, you know, a lot of people ask me all the time, they always say, you know, they think that I had a long career, but I did not. I played 13 years and then I hurt my back. I got hit by lightning, as you well know, in 75. And then I was out for another year, so I really didn't even play 13 years.

And then I didn't have anything to do, so I had no options. I had to get my body back in shape and get back out there. But, yeah, 13 years was it. I won six majors, 29 tournaments in those 13 years. You know, all that means is that I hit a hell of a lot of practice balls.

You know what I'm saying? You know, you jumped right into one of the questions we're going to get into, and that is getting struck by lightning at the Western Open. I'm so curious. I mean, how were you able to bounce back from that? What was that life experience like for Lee Trevino?

Well, you know, it kind of set me back a little bit. Nobody really knew too much about, you know, lightning. And it kind of ended. I was with Jerry Hurd, which I thought was one of the finest players I'd ever been up against. And he never played again. I mean, this guy would have would have set some records. He would have won some majors.

I mean, it's not much telling what he could have done. And I was with Mike Fetchik, which was a big club pro out of New York. But he was a tremendous player.

He had done, he had played on the senior tour and done whatever he had to do. But the three of us were the, I think it was a par three, 12 or 13 there at Butler. And at that time, they didn't have the sirens and the warnings and all that stuff about, you know, about lightning and in the air. So we just they call the tournament because it was cloudy. And it was fixing the rain.

So we stayed there on the 13th hole. And I guess a lightning bolt when we figured it, it hit the lake. And the rays bounced, in other words, sideways and caught me Bobby Nichols Arnold Palmer Golf Club. Mike Fetchik, believe it or not, didn't didn't have any problems. But it ruptured my back. And it ruptured Jerry Herd's back. And he's never come back from it.

You know, I talked, I talked to him not too long ago, about a year ago, he's down at Fiddlesticks in Florida. You know, I had a unique way of playing as you well know, I played golf differently from everybody else. For some reason, you know, I learned to hold on to the club and keep the club face square to target longer than anybody else. And I wouldn't have been able to participate today, the courses are too long. There are the greens are hidden in front, you have to go in the air, you know, I could bump and run. If I would have been playing in the Open Championship in Great Britain from the time I was 20, I probably would have won that tournament 10 times, you know, because that's the way I played, I bumped and run, I hit it, I hit a low cut, can't get much trouble. So it didn't really make any difference to me what course I played. I didn't have to look at it. If it had a tee, a fairway and a green, you got me, baby.

I'm ready for you. Oh, my gosh, Lee, I can remember just getting on tour in 1985. But you kind of came out of the booth to win a major down at Shoal Creek, didn't you? Oh, yeah, I came out of the booth. I hadn't played in in three years.

You know, it dabbled a little bit, but I didn't play. I'd won the PGA in 74 at Tanglewood. So I was exempt to play in that one. So I came out of the booth, uh huh, and ran into a golf course that was extremely hard. The rough was absolutely unbelievable there.

No one could get out of that rough there at Shoal Creek. I like the layout. And it was kind of flat, as you well you remember, there's not much undulation in there. Plus, my wife had bought me a putter in Holland. And it was a ping a blade, which I had never putted with a ping. And I kept shooting 64s with it. And I said, man, this way, you know, I always put it with a blade.

I said, I didn't know it was this easy to make a putt. You got any more of those, Lee? I could use one. Hey, I had the guy, you know, you know that, that Carson made me two of them. He put a line on one of them, and he didn't on the other one. And they made them for me. Well, he made me one, but I bought the other one, didn't have a line on it. And I still have both of them.

Yeah, I still have them both. And usually I don't keep golf clubs, I give them away. You know what I do with all my old clubs? Believe it or not, I don't sell them.

I don't do anything. I take them to my pro at Preston Trails. And I'll have them all bundled up. And I says, can you take these and give them to the first tee? But don't tell them where they came from. He said, we'll take care of it. I love that.

And that's what I do with the clubs. Yeah, I don't want them to know their mind. No. Hey, Lee, how come you don't like going into locker rooms? I'm curious about that. Well, I thought I think it's a waste of time.

Okay. You know, I, I spent, listen, listen, when I started the tour, I would go and play and I'd go two and a half, three hours early. I'd hit balls for three hours. Then I'd go play the tournament.

When I finished and they'll tell you this, Jay will tell you this. And then when I finished, I would go to the driving range and I'd hit balls to dark. Then I would drive my car to a fast food place.

I'd get a milkshake, two hamburgers and some French fries. And then I would look for a driving range and then I would hit balls till nine or 10 o'clock at night. And I did this all the time. Besides that, I ran three miles at the track every day.

I'm suffering from it now because I've got bone on bone on my knees, but this is, this is what I did. I don't like to do anything that waste time. I, I, when the sun's out, golf balls meant to be hit. People call me up these young, these young guys, these young guys called me up and they say, you know, Hey, how are you doing? I said, fine. I said, how are you doing in the tournament? He said, well, he said, you know, I'm home now.

And he says, just getting, I'm working on it a little bit. And I said, well, what time is it there? He said 11 and you still home.

Yeah. Well, you ain't gonna make it baby. You ain't gonna make it. If you're home at 11 o'clock, you should have done hit. You should have done hit 500 balls by 11 o'clock. You understand what are their chip?

You kick them, you throw them, whatever, whatever you do, if you, if you want to make it in golf, you have got to put the time in and you got to think it, you got to eat it, you got to sleep it. And then that's, that's now saying all that I, the exception of my wife, I haven't had a hell of a, a great time. That's awesome.

You know, I haven't been anywhere. Yeah. I want to talk to you a little bit about 1971. Some of the years, I mean, you won the Vardon five times. And to do that on the PGA tour, people have no idea how hard it is to do one time to do five times, but then to win what you did in 71, where you won the U S open and beat Nicholas in a playoff. Then you went and won the Canadian open a tournament, Jack never won. And then a week later, you had perhaps the greatest 20 day streak of golf in the history of the game.

Yeah. I had a, I had a great putting streak there. You know, you played this game at a high level and all of a sudden you grab a putter, you grab a stroke and then you start making everything. Unfortunately, you can't remember what the hell you're doing.

And so you can't, you can't do it again next week and the week after. But I, for some reason, I, I had a hell of a three weeks of ball striking, not, not much more than what I generally do, but the three golf courses fell right into line. Birkdale I knew about, I had played it before, uh, 1969.

I had played it. I did not know Richelieu, but it wasn't that difficult of a golf course. It was well treed and old.

I liked that. I liked that because I play Royal Oaks here in Dallas and it's tree lined also. That's what I, Tennyson park East. That's where I learned to play real tree lines. You know, the limbs reach over the fairways.

I mean, they're not even as wide as they look. And then Marion, I just absolutely fell in love with it. How couldn't you fall in love with it? It wasn't a monstrous golf course. Um, it, it, it made, it had a few turns, but it had, it had quite a few dog legs to the right.

Marion did. And, uh, I liked that, you know, I liked that in a major championship. When you give me a few holes that go to the right, number one, went to the right. You remember you had to, you had to drive it down the right side number. Yeah. And, and, uh, and 18 had the big tree on the right. You had to cut it off that tee. Yeah.

I like that. So, but the putter was what was hot. It was so hot, Jay.

It was so hot that I didn't even line them up half the time. In other words, I just walked up and hit them. I mean, if you remember, if you remember when I won the playoff, Mr. Lou, I had a four footer for a birdie to win the tournament and the camera missed it.

Right. The camera, the camera missed it because Mr. Lou was celebrating with his little hat on his head and the camera was over there. And by the time they came back to the green hell I'd put my ball down and hit it. You know, I didn't even line it up. I have always wanted to ask you this question because in doing some research and reading an article many, many years ago about your cameo in Happy Gilmore that you actually, you actually kind of didn't like it is, is I've always wanted to ask you, is that true? Well, I, I, you know, I, I've never seen it from, I've never seen it really, uh, you know, all the way through, but I wasn't used to all the bad language and, and I'm, I kind of been a protector of bad language around ladies and around kids. And, um, it kind of disturbed me a little bit.

Now today, no, no problem. I could do a movie now, you know, but that those words are used so much now, nobody would laugh. You know what I'm saying? I mean, but back then that was a kind of a different thing. And I, I, it kind of bothered me a little bit, you know, I, it really did.

Yeah. Lee, we're, we're on a much more national level, but Danny and I are located here in St. Louis. And I know when you won the St. Louis open, I think in 1971, and then you got to come back for the Ascension charity classic last year. That was such a thrill for golf fans here to have you come back and, and at the place, you know, where, where you won the St. Louis open.

Well, and I wanted to say one thing. I didn't recognize the golf course much, but I'll tell you this. I don't know when they redid the golf course, but, but my hat's off to the membership and the architect and the people that were behind it because they did a hell of a job. It is wonderful. I really enjoyed coming back and playing. The clubhouse is immaculate and it was, the members are lucky to have it. I'm telling you that right now.

Yeah, absolutely. What is it like being Lee Trevino? Because when people talk about great characters in sports, you're one of the great characters, not only in golf, but you're legendary in across all walks of life. So when you're walking down the street, you're in an airport, whatever the case may be, what is it like being Lee Trevino? Well, you, you, you, the first thing that you do when you leave the house is you say to yourself, be nice, be nice and say hello to everybody because people are going to come and get you. And you can, you can have a fork almost up to your mouth and a guy will grab your elbow and says, how are you doing? Nice to see you because I I'm approachable.

They wouldn't have done that to Hogan because Hogan would have hit them with a wedge. But, but they know that I'm approachable. I expect it. My wife told me once, she says, when you quit doing it, you might as well stay home. I said, you know, you're right. When they quit doing it, I said, you're exactly right. And I told her, I said, you know, I tell this story. I said, you know something? I said, the pandemic was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. And they said, why? I said, I put a hat on without a logo.

I put a mask on and I put sunglasses on and I could go anywhere I wanted to go or anybody bothered me. And I told him, I said, I went to the grocery store and I'm walking around the grocery store and a guy comes up behind me and he said, I know who you are. He said, I know I recognize you. He said, I know who you are. He said, I heard you talking. And I said, Oh Lord, how are you, sir?

He said, fine. He said, listen, he said, I need a God blesser. I said, God bless. I said, yes, this is the truth. And I said, you will need a God blesser. I said, yeah.

Why would you want a God bless him for me? I said, listen, I'm half blind. I can't hear very well. I'm 82 years old.

I've got the yips. I'm hitting the ball. And I'm hitting the ball so short that you can hear it land. And I said, if you tested my swing speed, you couldn't get a ticket in a school zone. I said, so when do you want to start this lesson? This is what I told him.

Yeah. So what was his reaction when he said all that? He left. He left. I said, no, I said, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. He said, okay.

Okay. Isn't that crazy? That is awesome.

That is awesome. Lee, take us back a little bit to the, some of the hurdles of playing the tour as a Mexican American as you know, tiger gets a lot of credit for, for blowing the game up like he did. But man, the Curtis versus the Charlie said, you know, these guys, the Lee elders, the Lee Trevino's, you guys back in the day, man, I can only imagine what it, what it was like. And it couldn't have been easy.

No, we know what we didn't have. I never had any problem whatsoever. I was never discriminated on.

The problem that I had mostly was with the media trying to get me, trying to get me to say something because at the time the PJ had just done away with the, uh, with, with, with that article in 1963, uh, the Caucasian article about, you know, about, uh, uh, playing, but I never had that problem. Jay, not at all. You know what, Lee, we're going to wrap it up with this. What are you most proud of as you reflect back on your career? Oh my God. The win in the, the open from Jack, uh, the playoff. That's what made me, that's when I arrived. Yeah.

1971. I think about it all the time that that same Jack Nicholas finished second to you four times. And I know you know that and I know he knows that more importantly, and he never finished second to me.

I never finished second to him. Yeah. Hey Lee, thank you so much for your time. It's been a pleasure to visit with you. Thank you very much. God bless. Appreciate it. Thanks for doing that was the front nine presented by the Ascension charity classic coming up.

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It's presented by Darty Business Solutions. That's Jay delsing. I'm Dan McLaughlin. That is a thrill for me to visit with Lee Trevino. I've had the chance to interview Jack Nicklaus, Tom Watson, some of the greats of the game, certainly some of the greats in football, basketball and baseball.

I'm going to put that in my top 10 of visits with professional athletes. What a fun guy, Lee Trevino. You know, it's interesting, Danny. I'm sitting there thinking he is a really fun guy.

It's very interesting. And I feel like we kind of talked him for two or three hours. He was just getting fired up when we let him go. But I love what he said. He goes, if the sun is shining, golf balls are meant to be hit.

That's right. And he was a ball beater, man. He stood on that range and he would hit all sorts of different shots and just work on it and work on it. He had one of the most famous caddies of all time, Herman Mitchell, we call Big Mitch. And he he had to weigh every bit of 300 pounds. And he was every bit of as much of a character as Lee was.

And so maybe next time we get Leon, we'll talk about Big Mitch. I just remember him winning the PGA Championship down at Shoal Creek in 1980. I think it was 1984, I think, where he said he literally came out of the broadcast booth and won that tournament. Danny, that golf course was a bear.

How about being struck by lightning? Are you kidding me? And I know that in talking with you, we've talked off the air about this. You dealt with that in a tournament. You said, boys, that's it.

I'm out of here. Lightning's in the area. I'm getting off the golf course. And part of it, part of how we learned was what happened to to lead at the Western Open. I mean, back in the day where we didn't have all of this attention to golf in the tour, Danny, we didn't have the Thor guard systems and people weren't really all that plugged in.

And then Lee gets struck by lightning. And I think he said, Jerry, poor Jerry heard it basically ended his career blew out his back. I was playing in the US Open up in Hazleton. And I pulled myself and my caddy and my other two playing partners, Dave Rumbles and Bobby Watkins and their caddies left as well. We're walking down towards the green on the 10th at Hazleton. And 15 minutes later, seven people were killed by lightning on the 11th tee, which is right about where we would have been.

So we have come a long, long way, not only in some of some of the equipment and the technology, but man and taking care of people, because nobody needs to be dying on the golf course by lightning. And I would assume back then, you know, wasn't as prevalent now where the horns go off, there's plenty of time to get in your cart or walk back to the clubhouse, even just the average players who was just a couple of weeks ago. If you're playing, we had terrible weather here in St. Louis.

Matter of fact, it was last Saturday and people were down in their basement. I was actually out playing golf and the horn went off and they said, let's go. And I'd said to my partner, I said, we're going to from 17 to 18.

We probably can make it. He said, hell no. He said, I'm going in right now. So we went in.

I'm curious. So did your partners give you any trouble back then by saying, no, no, no, let's finish this out. Let's keep playing. No, they could. So they were with you.

Yeah. And they, they had the choice. They did not have to do that. There's a little known rule, Danny, that if you feel like your life's in danger, you're able to leave the golf course like that. And the funny thing is those golf fans in Minneapolis, I'll never forget them. They were so gung ho for this event. They, they, there were probably 20,000 of them sitting in metal bleachers and they didn't want to lose their spot.

And it could have been a catastrophe, but, and it still was a, a really terrible situation. But we've got, the bottom line is we've come a long way and we're doing so much better in that regard. Well, for people that don't know, Jay delsing played in over 700 PGA tour events, but he was toting bags out at Norwood. And that's how you really got a love of the game. And so we heard from Lee Trevino, you know, he played one in St. Louis first time back at the Ascension charity classic last year, just to participate in the shootout and do the interviews, the promotion, all that kind of stuff. What I was really wanting to get into is how the course has changed.

You were there many years ago. You're playing in the Ascension this year out at Norwood. If you're a fan that goes to Norwood or has a chance to play Norwood, and they've got two courses, the East and the West, they'll play on the West, obviously for the championship coming up or the tournament coming up, how has the course changed?

If I'm out there walking around, what are the biggest differences that you see? From Lee's era and back in the seventies, they've, they've redone probably seven holes. Six, seven holes, where the first hole is the same. The second hole used to be a short par three, kind of a medium length par three, about 175, 180 yards down the Hill.

It had that Lake down there. And then the third hole was a little short par four that kind of banked up the Hill and kind of teed off on the side of the Hill over there. And so they combined, they went from the second tee to the third green and that's the par five. And then in the back nine, they changed quite a few holes around Danny starting on 13. Oh, they also changed numbers, number six and number seven. So there there's been a quite a bit of change going on. The most significant come in the back nine, where you get to 15 and 16, where they added two holes back in this property that Norwood owned. It's absolutely beautiful. The 15th is a long par five, 610 yards abuts along this beautiful meandering Creek on the right. And it's it's a really, really good hole.

And Padraig Harrington last year was smashing driver and knocking it on into at 610 yards. He's 52 years old. Crazy. I think it's great.

And I don't know where you're at with this, but I'm very, very interested to hear what you have to say. I thought it was great that Lee Trevino was in Happy Gilmore. Now he said that, you know, the language and things like that he didn't like, but and he hasn't seen the movie, which was shocking to me. I thought 10 Cup and Happy Gilmore were good for the game in bringing in just average fans to have a good time, watch it and maybe have a little bit of an interest in golf for those, though, that played on the PGA Tour or lived the life that you lived and continue to live.

I wonder if guys were like, I don't know about this. I'm not so sure this is good and this is not what we're all about. But I just think seeing those guys on the on the silver screen, I thought it was a good thing. I did, too, Danny. I do, too. And I think it just brought more attention to the game.

And it's fun. I mean, Adam Sandler and Happy Gilmore. There was a lot of fun with with some of the twists, the Bob Barker thing, you know, and all that stuff was fun. And then the what's interesting about Kevin Koster and 10 Cup is that so many of those things really happened to Gary McCord. It was based off a Gary McCord with him dropping a ball down to his final ball and having to go over water and put it in play. The pelican scene was Gary McCord with his buddies on a rain delay, all sharing a room in a hotel room hotel and sharing the room and saying, I bet I can do this because guys shared hotel rooms back in the day. Absolutely. Trying to cut expenses.

And I mean, little people don't even realize this, Danny. Back in the day. Now that if you made the cut, which is when we were playing was low 70 in ties, now it's low 65 in ties, but low 70 in ties. If you finished 71st, you didn't get paid.

Wow. You made the cut, played four days and didn't get paid. They used to only pay to 70 spots. And I can remember some of the older guys saying, Well, I played four days.

And if I was playing lousy, I almost wanted to miss the cut. Yeah, because now my expenses got ran up. But I didn't get paid. Oh, ridiculous. And I mean, last place money was in the hundreds. Yeah. You know, you're making $300 or something like that.

It didn't pay for anything. So that wraps up the back nine. We head to the 19th hole. This is golf with Jay Delsing presented by Doherty Business Solutions. And when we come back, there's news on Tiger Woods.

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This is golf with Jay delsing and let's head to the 19th hole the 19th hole on golf with Jay delsing as we head down the stretch that's Jay delsing I'm Dan McLaughlin our thanks to Lee Trevino for being a part of the show now we advance what's happening in the world of golf from what happened this past week big big news in my mind Tiger Woods his surgery and again it calls into question just how much longer can he play on the PGA Tour Danny you and I have talked about this so much off the air that watching him in Augusta the Friday and Saturday coming back grinding it out to make the cut barely able to walk the guys up must have the pain threshold of a it's underlying or something like that but he looks like he just had his right ankle fused and I don't know what that means for the golf swing I know it would be way worse if it was his left because of all the stress and things that are put on there but he's just trying to figure out a way to get better and to try to get back out there and compete but at 47 years old and another surgery under his belt I don't know this looks bad you know what now that I reflect on the Masters it's a couple weeks old I think the number one story is Rom taking over Koepka I think another another story well Liv was a big story there but I think another storyline was what Phil Mickelson speaking of Liv what he did on the back nine Sunday at Augusta incredible at his age and I think the other one after watching Tiger try to get around Augusta in the bad weather but just making the cut Jaybird and now seeing that he has to have surgery that's incredible what he was able to pull off well yeah and apparently he had a screw from some of the hardware that was put in his leg come out of his skin oh my god that means you start thinking about that Danny and it's just it's absolutely brutal but when you kind of peel back a little bit and go wait a second we've got the PGA champ we've got the US Open in eight weeks at Los Angeles Country Club well that's out for Tiger you think so oh yeah the PGA the PGA Championship I mean this is a pretty major surgery to get your ankle fused I don't I don't see the best opportunity would be Hoy Lake the Open Championship in July I know it's tough I just don't know what to think I felt when the season started that he would win maybe not a major but he would win a tournament after watching what he did about a month ago out in California and then now I watch him and I'm like I just don't see it and if you have a course that's got a lot of undulation I definitely don't see it and I'll ask you is there a course on the tour that you look at not even a major but just a course that is somewhat flat that he'd be able to get around and not have maybe as much pain on a hilly course I don't know if there's one out there that would benefit his game like that one of the interesting ones would be Hilton Head where we just played it's probably the flattest they call it the low country down there and it's absolutely beautiful there in Hilton Head and that's one of the flattest golf courses that we go to I gotta think about what's on the schedule because but you know how his focus is Danny it's the majors first and those change all the time and so Oak Hill in Rochester New York is a hilly golf course and he's not gonna miss it Los Angeles Country Club is I'd say probably a five in the scale five to ten it's got some hills but it's also got quite a bit of flat being in LA I don't know much about the Open Championship where they're playing this year I'd have to do a little research on it but the one that comes to mind is the Hilton that event but it's always right after Augusta and he's he's always gonna play Augusta he's available right and I don't know if he's ever played in Hilton Head you know the week after so now we have this weekend if you've been watching golf the team format so you got a pairing of guys coming together having a chance to win a team format and for fans that don't know that maybe explain what's happening this weekend yeah so it's really fun you get to play four rounds with a buddy or your partner and when do you ever have a partner in something like this it's not a Ryder Cup or a President's Cup so this is really a fun thing it's like watch how well these guys play with a little security blanket you know how nice would it be if he had Patrick Cantile picking you up and or Shauffle doing that for Cantile absolutely hired a wire last year and we had Billy Horshaw and Sam Burns you know always contend so you'll watch the scores will be super low so two of the four days they play a basic best ball event which would mean you and I are playing Danny and whoever makes the low score in that hole that just gets entered in for our team then they're gonna do the alternate shot and that's where it can get dicey because you get in a bad shot and stick your partner in some really bad spots when you pull up those scores to see where those guys are doing on that alternate shot deal you'll know who's really playing the best golf I know you had a chance to compete in these but back in the day it was male and female male so it's a little different story was really fun it's called the JC penny classic and I got paired with penny Hamill a couple times I think we had a third and a fourth and I got paired with Val Skinner and Judy Dickinson and I had some great great partners but man they were all straight hitters and I was not and I can remember penny saying to me after the first night I think he hit two fairways and she said could you try to just in between the trees and I said I'm aiming for the fun thing is Danny you follow one off into the trees and then she puts you right in the fairway and you get hit from the fairway you know so it's like yeah oh well this weekend then these guys had the chance to pick who they wanted to play with and there's specifications in terms of who can play but there's like a brother team out there sometimes it's family members yeah just to have a little fun with it absolutely Matthew Fitzpatrick is playing with his brother who's also a pro but not a PGA Tour member and so they get a special exemption from the Zurich folks and I think it's fantastic for golf we have a full schedule of golf all year long why not slip something like this in and make it a little more interesting I wish they did more of this to be quite honest with you I wish that they would break it up I wonder if the intensity is down a little bit in this because it's more of a showcase to an extent however there is money on the line so you got to keep that in mind but I think it just breaks up like you said not the monotony of the tour because I'll sit there and watch golf all day but it's just different and I think that's a good thing it is Danny plus think about it this way you and I are playing and when we're partners and I miss my eight-footer and you step up there and get the knockers in I mean it's it's redemption right there and you're going well the team still made a birdie or an eagle and let's move on it that's a lot of fun watch how low the scores are they're playing down in New Orleans at the TPC Louisiana and it's a Steve Elkington Kelly Gibson and and I think Pete Dye all had a little hand in it so it's an interesting golf course hopefully the weather stays good the boys will shoot the pads off that place all right we're just about set to wrap up the show your takeaway give me one takeaway from Lee Trevino oh the passion at 82 years old the guy still loves a game you know that if he was able to he'd still go out there and try to whip everybody's but I just love the energy that he brings to the table is it's hard not to smile and it's hard not to want to go play golf and and and think of him as is such a positive force for the game you stole my idea because I was gonna say energy passion love for the game and still at 82 years old being able to talk about how much he loves it and the other takeaway I had is when you brought up the point initially in our interview in such a short amount of time how much he accomplished and if he played longer what would we be saying about Lee Trevino with Nicholas Watson and some of the other greats that we hold in high regard the elite of the elite but in such a short amount of time he was the elite of the elite oh yeah six majors in 13 years that's that's impressive I mean I think Tom Watson has eight majors but he he had held Tom still playing and champions champions tour golf so yeah that that shows you what kind of competitor he was I love this saying one of his books or something Danny that said you don't know what pressure is until you're playing a five dollar Nassau with two dollars in your pocket right great point Jaybird this is so much fun our thanks to Lee Trevino my thanks to you this is always awesome to do Danny thanks for being on the show this is let's just do another one right now I love this stuff and how do we end it 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