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I'm Dan McLaughlin and we're presented by Darty Business Solutions. Coming up on our show, former PGA Tour player, longtime PGA Tour broadcaster, one of the funniest guys on tour, and that is Gary McCord. Great to see you, Jay, and looking forward to visiting with Gary.
Oh, Danny, I can't wait. When I think of Gary McCord, back in the day, he was a magician. He was a hell of a golfer as well, but just a bright guy that didn't take much serious. A fun guy to be around. Were you paired with him very often, and if so, what were those conversations like? Oh, yeah.
Money's on the line. He comes right only only a few times because I think in my I think I'd love to ask him this when he went over to CBS, but I think it was in like 1987 or something, so I would have only played to play two years with him. But yeah, I got paired with him before. He's a Southern California guy, always had a smile on his face, an extremely sarcastic guy and told some funny jokes. Just a fun guy to be around, really.
I can't wait to ask him right off the bat. I want to ask him about the Masters because he is not allowed to broadcast at the Masters anymore, which is hard to believe. If you're CBS Sports and you're golf, you're crown jewel is the Masters, right? Here's a guy that gets himself kicked out of the Masters. What I want to know is how the hell did he stay with CBS? I mean, you got to think they're going to run his ass out of town.
Well, they must have thought, you know what? The Masters, it's a different animal and we've got one heck of a broadcaster here so we can live with the idea that he's going to miss this. We understand there's tradition, different rules, but we need this guy every other Saturday too though.
Danny, I totally agree. And I'll tell you something that I remember. Tom Watson had something to do with this because I can remember a shouting match. I think we were at Pebble Beach from not exactly sure, but they stepped off to the side and I'm thinking, you know, golfers don't know how to fight. So there's not going to be a fight.
They're just going to scream at one another. But I think Tom wrote a letter, something that jar in my mind, but we got to ask Harry about that. We'll ask him about that. I also want to get into his role in movies and in particular Tin Cup because Tin Cup has become one of the great golf movies in the history of the sport. And he had a prominent role on a couple of scenes. And I wonder if some of those scenes were taken from his ideas or maybe past playing experiences or whatever, but I know he had a pretty big role in Tin Cup. Oh no, a hundred percent. I think you're spot on.
There's going to be some sort of quirky, crazy, marginally stupid tie in to his life or to his experiences or something that, you know, he's going to turn into a really fun story. And those parts of the movies were just a blast. I mean, you know, when they started, when you, when you start thinking about the pelican off the pelican. Yeah. Right. And then you're like, what? Yeah.
Yeah. It's so much fun. And then, and also then, you know, standing out there knowing I can hit this shot. You're like, you're about to run out of golf balls.
You know, I don't know if you can, I think you can, but if you don't do it on this one, we're done. Cause we don't have any balls. Hey, it begs the question. How many balls is a PGA tour player? Can you bring on the course? Cause if you're the average duffer like myself, I got a whole load of balls in my bag.
How about for you guys? We can, you can, there's no limit, but what happens is that, as you know, it weighs your bag down. So your looper is not going to be happy with that up.
I would say typically the average tour pro will bring three sleeves to a dozen for every round. Yep. I did see Billy Crasser at the Anheuser-Busch golf classic quick story at Denny. I'm playing in the afternoon a Thursday and I hear there's an upper and a lower locker room and I'm in the upper locker room and I hear this, just this ruckus downstairs, it's throwing stuff and some, some F bombs and all sorts of other things.
And I'm like, eh, I got to go in there, you know, just wait, I'll wait until the shrapnel dies down. And I see Billy Crasser who could run hot. And I really liked Billy played a lot of golf with Billy.
He's a mainstay on the golf channel now. He's walking storms out of there with his, all of his stuff. Obviously Billy was throwing stuff around. Come to find out Billy's caddy spider had given him. So Billy gives spider a dozen balls at the start of the day. On the first hole, he hits his, his ball in the fairway bunker and hits a little thin out.
This is a day before pro V ones. So this was balada. You look at it wrong. It's cut. So he skins one out of the bunker on number one and takes the ball out of play. He goes over to number five. It's a par three and he hits it off to the right a little bit and goes in the water.
There's number two goes off to number seven. It's a par five and had a cart path all the way down the right side. Danny Billy hits his drive. It bounces like three times on the cart path, goes down there. He gets on the green and hits his ball on the green and two. So he's got an Eagle putt and he says, there's playing partners guys.
This ball landed on the cart path three times. Look at it's cut. It's out of play.
I'm taking it out of play. Guy says, no problem. He takes it and tosses it into the hazard right alongside the green. So that's the third ball. And he says, the spider spider, give me another ball.
It's quite quiet. And Billy said, spider. I said, give me another ball. And he says, boss, we don't have any.
And he says, spider, give me, give me another ball. And he says, boss, you brought out a dozen and the bag was too heavy. So I sold him. He goes, I didn't think we were going to need it. We only had three and you just threw the last one into the water. Did he fire him on the spot? Fired him on a spot. No, he said, you carry my bag.
He, it was, it was unbelievable. So now here's a rule. If you were playing with him and he was actually playing the tour edition, it was a Spalding ball back in the day, Norman played it like three or four guys on tour played it. If he would have been playing it, you could borrow a ball from your playing partners.
Yeah. Then none of them were playing it. Both guys were playing titleist.
He had to walk in that was seventh green DQ. Cause you ran out of golf balls on the range is brought to you by family golf and learning. Great story, family golf and learning center, as well as the gateway section of the PGA.
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Analysis with fun that comes with Gary McCord. So Gary, thanks for coming on the show. We know you're busy. We certainly appreciate it.
Let's start right away. What are you up to these days? Well, we've got, you know, you got to stay busy when you're a hundred years old, like I am, or you just kind of lose, lose all faith with, with life. So I, we started, Peter Costas and I have a podcast called Costas and McCord Off the Rockers that we're doing. It's kind of fun, you know, you stay, you stay current.
You got to study a little bit and talk to people and, and do things. So that's been, that's been fun to put all this together. We've only been out there for like three weeks. And so that's kind of what I'm doing now, playing some golf, doing, still doing golf outings and stuff.
And you know, just staying busy like you guys. You had a unique experience when it comes to the masters as a broadcaster. Can you tell our listeners what happened and what that was like for you? Well, I started, started Augusta doing the masters in 1986 for CBS was my first year. Jim Nance had just come aboard too. So he and I were kind of new together at Augusta.
It was interesting, the, the do's and the don'ts when they meet with you and what you can do and what you can't do. As Jay knows, I probably wasn't, wasn't, and it was just after the first meeting, it was just kind of a matter of time. We didn't know when, so, but it lasted, you know, I'd lasted for like, for like eight years through 1994, when I finally put down euthanized, I guess you could say. And I just, you know, I, I, I hate cliches.
I just, I can't stand it. So what I, what I try to do in the broadcast business was I, you know, I take a, I take a scene that everybody uses and I just said, literally rewrite it a hundred times. So whatever it was like, you know, it came up short and, you know, re-write it or, oh, you get there, tag on his toe, he's on the slab, he's in a body bag, you know, just something, just keep fresh. And that was the one thing that I was told when I started the business that would, it would be best if you kept fresh, fresh meaning don't, if you're predictable at what you're going to say in that business, you're not going to last very long. So that's kind of what I did.
And I used a couple of those cliches. It was over the green, I was on the 17th hole. And if you hit it, Jay, you know, if you hit it over the green on 17 and the pen's back right, there's nothing, you know, everybody says you're dead down there. So I said, oh, you know, he's got a tag on his toe or he's in the slab or he's in a body bag, but they didn't like that.
Finally, Jose Maria Olatobul, who was leading the golf tournament, he won the golf tournament that year in 94. And he was out there in the fairway and the pen was in the same position. And we went to commercial break and I up in the tower to stay fresh like that. I had magazines before we could actually get, you know, our computers, we could get up there and get, get a signal. And I had second magazines all the time. I mean, from mad magazine to scientific American. And I just go rattle through them during commercial breaks, not to read anything, but just pick up words, right.
And then words go clanking around in my head and then it comes out some way. So I was, I was reading that time I was reading the magazine, People magazine about, I live in Escondido, California used to, and they had a spa there named the Golden Door, very expensive spa. And they had a, it was a menu of things that you could get done. Something with cucumbers you put in your eyes, right? Seaweed wraps and bikini waxes and stuff.
So bikini wax, that's interesting. So, you know, as I hit the ball, the wrong side of the green, he had nothing on the pot. It was just a big old sweeper.
I'm going to start it down. It wasn't going to stop. And I said, I, you know, I, these guys are afraid of these greens.
I, in fact, I don't think they mow them. I think the bikini wax, you know, and he had a 12 feet by the hole and that was that. And then a couple of three, four days later, um, that was it. I was to do that with every year. So that's what happened. Wasn't it? Wasn't it the letter that Tom Watson wrote that really kind of started the ball rolling? Yeah.
Yeah. I don't think at that point masters had anything to do with it until they got a letter. And so they sent that somehow Frank got the letter. Frank, your Canyon, our producer director got the letter.
He gave it to me at Hilton had the next week and it was in pencil. And I go, what's this? And he goes, wow. I wrote a letter to Augusta or to us.
And he goes, I think to Augusta. And he said, they just send it on to me. And I went, Oh, this is not good. Is it?
Frank? Nothing happened for like three days. And then he called me back to the office and he goes, okay, now, now all of a sudden the storm started and that was it. And, um, so that then it was just, you know, at that point, CBS, that is their, that is their, their big product is, is Augusta. I mean, it's as big as anything they have and in their arsenal of, uh, of sports. So they're not going to protect a stupid announcer in any way, shape or form politically. So I really had to fight the fight myself and try not to get totally fired from CBS. So it was an interesting, not a fight, but it was an interesting survival class to figure out how to, you know, I got kicked out of the biggest tournament in front of the most people. And now I'm going to keep working for CBS and with that lingering over your head. So it was interesting that that whole thing was very, very interesting to go through that landmine, a landmine of that field of landmines to try to figure out how to do this whole thing with zero help from, from anybody. Frank says, I can't help you.
And the president told me he can't help. So that, that was, that was interesting. That was a hell of a class right there. And, and you had some words with Tom, I forget what tournament we were playing in, but I remember a little bit of that. Yeah. I was at, um, we were registering at a pebble. Yeah.
And we came in on the same charter flight and he was there and he was in front of me getting in line. And so I decided where that's enough. We're going to talk about this. So we went over to the corner there and, uh, yelled a little bit at each other.
That was it. We got each, each of us got our, got our say in and, uh, we went on our way. We're fine.
We're fine. I'm so curious because your personality came across on the television for all the viewers every Saturday and Sunday. And it was great.
It brought the average fan into the game with, uh, some humor with educational points of the game of golf and back to the masters for a bit. Did, did that bother you because of their unique rules that all of a sudden you couldn't show off your personality? No, that was one of the things on my list that I had to, you know, to cope with was to do I change because of that. And how do you go forward from there? And I said, well, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to be who I am.
That's why Frank hired me. So, you know, I'm going to keep doing the same things, uh, try to stay fresh, make sure, you know, you know, the players, um, and try to communicate with the people and, you know, short bursts five second intervals, think the picture fast and get out. And then, uh, and that was it.
So I just, I just stuck with that and try to stay above that frame. And that was it. And then at the end, I do remember at the end, you know, there's the whole woke thing kind of, I know Barkley and I talked about it, Charles Barkley, and I've talked about it a bunch. I got to a point where I was editing myself as I was speaking, which is not a good situation, how it would come out before it was just, you just fire, right.
And you just go, and then you edited everything you were about ready to say, to see who would offend that got a little cumbersome, um, as far as communications. And I know Charles, it's the same thing. And that's, he was going to quit when he was 60. He was, he said, he'd had enough, of course. And then they offered him because he met with Greg Norman about doing the live thing. They gave him a $200 million contract and Charles didn't quit.
So, uh, no one offered me that that would make you unretired right away, man. I mean, what the hell kind of money, Gary, what was it like, you know, Chirkinian, he was such a character and I can remember he would ride the golf course every, you know, while we're playing Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, he was such a fun, colorful guy, but behind the scenes and behind the television, there's some really crazy stories with Frank. Yeah. I mean, the whole group was crazy. It was quite a learning process. I was still playing.
I wasn't, I wasn't going to, you know, I had no, no, uh, uh, future plans of doing television. I think it was just a happen chance deal meeting with Frank. I remember the first time that, um, I'd asked him if I could come and watch, I was on the policy board, 1980 when they started policy board, 83 or something to about 87. I was one of the three player directors. And I remember at CBS where I was on an airplane with him. I asked Frank if I could come into the trucks and watch him do a televised event. It was a Memorial. I didn't know anything about television, but I'm making decisions, you know, as to contracts with CBS at that point, ESPN, ABC, I didn't know anything about television.
I just want to watch, see what happens and how they do it, get a, you know, get an idea. So he goes, yeah. And I played a lot on the tour. Didn't make a whole lot of money. So I was semi broke. And I asked, I said, can I stay in your hotel there? And he said, yeah, yeah, come on, check in. I'll put you up there. So I went out there the first day and he said, we have, we have meetings at night production meetings at night. Okay.
And you need to go to the production meeting was okay. So it was in the bar at the hotel. And so then when we went to dinner and I was sitting next to Pat Sumner and these guys were all lightened up and everything, you know, I was still playing.
I'm, you know, trying to, you know, trying to get four yards up in a year. And we're eating all of a sudden, it's just summer all of a sudden we're, you know, we're eating a salad and he's, he's got a, he's got the rug for dressing on the salad. All of a sudden he goes face first in his salad, just boom. And I'm sitting next to him, I'm looking over and he's, he's in his, his face is in the salad. He's not moving. And I'm like, what the hell? And everybody keeps talking like it's nothing so fine. I'm sitting there. He's drowning in the road for dressing.
I don't want to do a brand new there. So all of a sudden Ben Wright comes around the thing and grabs his head, pulls him out of the salad, wipes his face off and walks him up to the, to the elevator, takes him to his room, puts it in the bed, comes back and they just keep talking. I wasn't a word. What the hell? You know, that was my first, first time there working with him when I was playing. And I thought that was interesting. They lived hard.
They lived very, very hard. So then I started to work for him and play, and then you've got to draw a line at some point, right? That job looked pretty good. So it kind of morphed into me quitting and playing, but it was to work under Frank.
He was the leader of the pack. He started everything in television and knew what he was doing and you did it his way and that was the only way, but it was a great way to learn the business. I love it when Gary McCord pops up in a movie.
How did acting or your appearance in movies come about? I was home and I got, my agent called me and said, listen, I got a, I got a movie script here and they want you to take a look at it. They want you to be a part of it as a technical director and actor and help with everything in the movie about golf.
What? He goes, yeah. He said, I'll send it to you. So I got this script and it's a cover letter on the front.
It says Warner Brothers, says a movie working title was called Tin Cup. The bar scene is great. When Kevin Costner, you know, and they have the bet and you're sitting there doing the play-by-play or at least the analyst work.
I can't remember what you grabbed for your microphone, but that is the best. Oh, that was, yeah. You know what I'm, when I read, when I read and script, when you, when you get a script and you're in it, they tell you, you're in it. The first thing you do is you go through a script real fast. So many times her name's matching, you know, because you know, if you're in there like twice in a, in a script, I think that the script was 40, 43 pages. Wow.
I think. And I was in there a lot, read it. I was reading it and I go, well, I did a lot of these things. And I go, how the hell would he know I did these things?
Or they just somehow wrote, wrote this script and it coincided with what I did. I Pelican scene was, Oh, Che, you'll remember this. We were, um, you might not have been on the tour then we were in Pensacola playing the Pensacola open Perdido Bay.
Yeah. And we were in a, um, a condo and it was a rain out the whole day. It was just an absolute deluge. And you really couldn't even go outside.
So there's me, John Schroeder, Bill Calfee, you know, we're all sharing a room trying to cut, cut expenses down. We were on an inlet there and we had a wharf out there and we were playing gin. And I go to the back, my back bedroom and it'd take a leak or something.
I don't know what I was doing. And my clubs were back there and everything. I started to walk out back down the hallway and I look in a Pelican landed on, on the wharf out there. And I'd look, I had my bag there and a bunch of balls.
I go, Hey guys, give me 10 shots and I'll bet you I can knock that Pelican off his per lamp. Obviously I got to open the doors. I got back there and I look at this thing, man, this thing got hired probably 150 yards, but I had to hit through a hallway through the living room, open the sliding glass doors, get it through that, get it over a wooden railing and then get it out, you know, towards the, towards the inlet there, the canal. I'm back there and I'm going, now I'm thinking, God, I can't, I got to hit down on this thing.
I can't take a divot. And if I pull it, I'm going to hit the sliding glass door, which is going to be a lot of money. My God, this shot got really hard. So I hit this thing and I picked it and I went to the hallway and I went to the living room and just missed the sliding glass doors. Cause you got to cut a little bit, put some spin up and I looked at this going right at this damn bird. They're all looking and I went right over the top of his head, put a foot over his head, he flew off the deal and I went nuts.
Probably the best shot I ever had in my life. I did that. We weren't screwing around and there was no social media then. This was back in the early nineties. So all of a sudden, you know, it's, it's in the movie.
And I go, so I called and the other one was, I made a, you remember the old, um, in Memphis, did you play a colonial country? Oh yeah. Yeah. You remember the 16th hole.
You had to hit it over the trees and laid up short of the water. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.
I hit it over there and I had, it was on a Friday. Had to make the cut. I had to burn you to the last three. So I was in that situation a lot. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I, you know, I hit it over there and I had a four iron left my second shot and I killed it. Perfect.
And it hits the pilings in the front, bouncing the water. My caddy starts to walk down to the drop area for the green. I said, no, no, no, give me a ball. Cause I'm not done. I can't give him ball.
I can do this. So seven balls later and I get, he comes up to me, he's got a golf ball, his left hand and another club in the other hand. I was obviously pissed. And I said, I got nose to nose with him.
I said, what is this for pointing to the three iron? He gave me, he says, this is the last ball you got. And you know, the worst thing is, you know, you can't, you can't run out of balls. You can't, you can't do, you can't do a rob because the boys will get you next week.
So I hit the three, I hit it on, made a 45 footer for 16. So that was that scene in the movie too. And I, I call my agent. I said, if this is all true, call Ron Shelton up and I need to talk to him. So I get a hold of Ron Shelton.
I think it was that day. And I said, where the hell did you get this? And he goes, well, you get it. And I said, yeah, but no one knows I did that.
You know, a hundred years ago, there was no way in any communication. He says, yeah, I read it in golf week. I said, what'd you read in golf week?
He said about the 16. And I liked that. I liked the idea. He kept going for it.
I'm missing a cut anywhere. I just didn't matter. And the Pelican was, he had hurt that somewhere.
And so I said, okay, if you're serious about doing this, why don't you come on, let's talk about it. You know, I was just testing him. You know, I knew who he was.
Obviously he was a superstar in the business. He flew in, he got Kevin Costner's airplane. He flew in and we, we went hiking and had cocktails every night and had a ball. And I said, yeah, I'll do this.
This'll be fun. So it was, it was a ball, it was three months. And, uh, you know, in the inside of that whole thing and then help produce with Gary Foster who did it and it was, it was great.
Fantastic. I can remember when it first came out, Gary, and it was so, you know, golf hadn't, we really hadn't had the tiger effect yet. And it was so much fun to see everybody on the big screen. Fun part was when you go to the openings, you know, the red carpet deal and you're in New York and stuff. I was a menace to society on those openings coming down the red carpet.
I made, uh, Kevin walk in front of me. Yeah. You get up there. I'll stay, I'll stay back here.
I'm the last guy. Yeah. Yeah. It was a great experience and it was, it was a busy time. I was playing, I was in a bunch of golf outings and that took three months to shoot.
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We're presented by Doherty Business Solutions. That's Jay Delsing. I'm Dan McLaughlin and our guest is Gary McCord, former PGA Tour player, played in over 400 PGA Tour events. Now, Gary, a lot of people know you from work in movies or your work on CBS as a broadcaster, but pretty darn good player.
Jay and I were talking during the break. Let's go back into your playing career just for a moment. Did you split your pants and were you not wearing underwear at a particular PGA Tour event? You know, when you're going bad, all you're doing is going to the range.
You lose where you are in time and space and you lose doing your laundry. I had, at this point, probably two to three days of going commando. It was the lay of the land.
I used to say, you're practicing all day. We're in Memphis. It was hotter than in hell. Last thing I wanted to do was go and sit in a laundry room somewhere and do my laundry. And I should have just, but anyway, I didn't have, and I had some, I'll never forget the pants that were cotton pants and they were plaid.
It was, you know, we were in the Johnny Miller era, so everybody was plaid and it was cotton. And I'm playing and I get out there and I mean, it is Tarzan hot out there. And I've been down about the sixth hole, way away from the clubhouse, fifth hole, something like that at Memphis. I heard a rip started. I went down, got behind the ball, squat down to see the line and it started to rip and it ripped from the top of my fly underneath all the way down, all the way around and back up to where the belt loops are.
Just blew it up. And now I, ah, so I put, you know, obviously there's people out there watching it, put my legs together. I tell my guy, come on, come on. I said, give me, give me my rain pants.
And he said, I've had an accident here. He goes, what? And I go, get my rain gear. He goes, I don't get your rain gear. You know, the caddies when it's a hundred thousand degrees, there's nothing that bag, all they got at the golf balls, they take everything out. And I go, you know, he said, no, they're in my car.
Put them in my car in caddy parking lot, which is what, 10 miles away from where we are. So I go, oh, now I got a problem. And I, I'm looking around, what am I going to do? I can't, I can't take a step.
I can't do, I surely can't get behind the ball. I'm looking at the line. I mean, it's so I, I'm sitting there and I'm looking around, I'm looking around, I'm playing with Rod Curl, a wind to India, 100% went to India. Okay. I got an idea. So I had one towel left. I told him, I can't give him the, just give me the towel. So I got the towel and put it in like a loincloth, you know, tucked it in the front of my belt. I said, go get another towel.
You know, they take stuff out of the bag. There's only a one towel, you know, where's the golf balls. And I said, go to the other guys and beg for another towel. And so he goes, I shouldn't talk to the other kid. He's the one kid he got in his bag and he actually had another towel.
Thank goodness. So I put that in and I put it behind me and tucked it in. So now I've got two towels as loincloths and my golf swing at that time was I had a, I was, I had a very close position at the top of the club face.
So when you do that, you have to have a lot of lateral slide to block the toe from flipping over and duck hooks. Yeah. I wasn't very good. I was just out there slapping around. So I get, and we got good at the pot and it was perfect and loincloths, I never think I go to the next tee and I took it, you know, a couple of practice swings, man, that towel's flat all over.
Hilarious. I had to really quiet my lower body down to hit a golf ball, like just standing there and not doing anything. You just give it a whack, right? Well, I see three under the front and my caddy goes at the turn. He goes, he goes, all right, she says, I'll stall. The pro shop is right there going to get some pants and we'll go.
And I go, Nope. I said, I got something going here with these loincloths. As you know, I shot 67.
I shot 67. That was the greatest lesson I ever had in golf and got the idea that, you know, I got to quit doing what I was doing before because my pants split because I refuse to do my laundry. So that's that story.
And that's true. Hey, Gary, how's Phil Mickelson doing? I know you guys are tight band. No word at our, at our club. All of the members that are really good players were all part of his golf team, his buddies, really good buddies. They have not heard from him in two years.
Not one of them, not one of them. His caddy is out there as a member and he's not getting for him anymore. He used to be, uh, he hasn't heard much. I mean, he's, he's really kind of dissolved all of the relationships that he had prior.
And I mean, just literally, literally off the face of the earth. We haven't seen him. No, he's talked to him as best.
I play golf with his best friend all the time. He hasn't heard anything from two years. I can't bring you up on anything because I don't know anything.
The guy's so talented and he was so fun. It just almost seems like something got so out of hand. I don't know if the personal finance, you know, you hear all these stories cause we don't know anymore. I just hate it. Yeah. There's a, there's an interesting book that's going to be coming out written by, written by Billy Walters. Billy Walters is the gambler from Vegas. Yeah.
Yeah. Billy's Billy's the probably the greatest gambler of our generation and probably most generations. And you know, he and Phil were really tight. Billy's a good friend of mine. He's got a book coming out. It's supposed to come out the day before.
I was going to have one of the shows day before the Superbowl. The lawyers are still looking over this, looking over the content for defamation and so forth because Billy's a character and he's, you know, grew up in Vegas around the boys and stuff. And Phil was part of this, Billy going to prison for the insider trading. And Billy kind of blames Phil for, for that, for him going. So shouldn't be too complimentary on Phil. But this book should be really, really interesting.
I can't, the only book I think I've ever in my lifetime, I've just dying to read about any and everything about his way of life. And Phil is a big part of it. You know, I don't know, maybe that'll throw some light on it, but as we know it, there was, you know, the only thing I can tell you that he was going to, Phil was going to go to CBS and then be the lead analyst at CBS. And then he won the PGA championship. So that might've changed a little bit, but he had a red carpet right to CBS and doing that. And, you know, we talked about that a bunch, his brand, when he's on every week and he is the authority and he, James, you know, he would have been really, really good at being an analyst because he's got a lot of BS, fantastic, fantastic, one of the best when a world-class and he would have been great up there in the tower. So we had every, everything in front of him, you know, right after the win at 51 of the PGA championship. And then, you know, the red carpet right into that, you know, one of the great positions of all time, right next to Jimmy Nance.
So that whole, the whole thing is just, it blew up so fast and it got so acrimonious so fast, interesting. The whole play was interesting. Gary, I can imagine that you have all different walks of life that want to play a round of golf with Gary McCord. So I'm curious about who's been the most interesting for you. You've had actors like Clint Eastwood. You've had great players in the game of golf. You've had probably other sports figures that say, man, I'd love to play a round of golf with you.
Who's been the most interesting though for you? Jay knows this guy. Not many people know this guy, but, but he's, he's one of my dear friends in life. And this guy's story is, is beyond comprehension. The stuff this guy has done, his name was Johnny Jacobs.
And JJ, Jay, you know, you know who JJ is. He's still alive. I don't know how he's still alive.
It's impossible that he's still alive. So who is JJ? Absolutely.
Let's put it this way. John Daly, John Daly's idol in life was Johnny Jacobs. That ought to give you some idea of, of where this is, but he, he's legendary.
I mean, and legendary. And we've done a, we've done a couple of things. When I was working for Sirius radio, BJ Jore radio, I had JJ on just to tell stories. And I get a phone call after the first round from the CEO of Sirius. And I thought, oh man, I'm going to get in trouble here.
What did I do? And he goes, who was that guy? And I go, he is a buddy of mine.
He's kind of a legend in the legend in golf, but no one really knows him. And he goes, I want him on every week, but she can't find him. And he's, you know, it was over here. He's over there and he's dodging people and stuff like that. So Johnny, I think it was he, he and I, we finally played golf together every day when he lived in Arizona here.
And it was, you know, I can't use it. He's one of my dear friends and he's nuts and he is freaking nuts. So he would, he would be the guy, Bill Murray was right there. Bill was, I watched an amazement Bill could do standup for five and a half, six hours while he's doing, doing the program and never, never used the same line, never used the same comedic experience. He would just come up with this stuff constantly.
And it was amazing of the energy and so forth. Those two, those two guys have probably got it. I remember Roger Maltby, who was such a good guy as well, telling me a story about driving down the four Oh five freeway in the backseat, sleeping, and JJ gets pulled over on the side of the road and he thinks he's still driving and a cop walks up and taps on the window. JJ's work in the wheel. Like he's still driving. That story is true.
And you can go for 20 minutes. Um, they were down and they're on the four Oh five freeway and they were going to SC. JJ went to SC. He went to enroll. He went there for two days.
Of course he did. And they're coming back on the road and there's JJ's. There's three guys in the car and JJ's buddy.
One of them was George Shortridge. He was passed out leaning against the right window and, um, nickname Luke, his name, everybody called him Luke. Everybody in San Diego called everybody Luke, never by their first name. And it was JJ's best buddy. And this is a guy that JJ learned how to live life from.
Okay. So you can understand that Luke's a little screwed up and Luke was driving and JJ was passed out in the back seat and they're coming back from his enrollment and they played golf at SC. And then they came, they're driving back on the San Diego freeway. And the last thing JJ remembers was that Luke had pulled into the fast lane of the four Oh five. So the next thing was you wakes up to this pounding, pounding and Johnny says, he got up and he looked up and he sees George Shortridge is still passed out against the window. And Luke has got both hands on the wheel and the engine is just raging. And he's going, he's going to hear it again. Here's this knock, knock, knock, knock, knock right on the, on the window. And Luke's got, takes one hand off the steering wheel and starts rolling down the window and looks out and there's a cop standing there. And he goes, how'd you catch me? Well, he flipped it in the neutral on the fast lane of the four Oh five freeway somehow and all the cars obviously were passing it.
So he just gassed it as hard as he could cause he couldn't catch up, but he just parked in the fast lane of the four Oh five freeway and the cop arrested all three of them for just mayhem. And that's, I mean, that's just one of 4 million stories on this idiot. Hey Gary, we appreciate your time so much. You've been so gracious with us, the stories.
I mean, we can keep going on and on, but I know Jay feels the same way. You got it guys. You got it. Really appreciate it, Gary. Keep well and hope to see you soon. You got to find that. Take care.
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How about I loved your question how about his relationship with Phil Mickelson and he said haven't heard from him two years how about that huh and they were very close you mentioned very close yep very very close and and and he said his best friend hadn't heard from him in over two years makes me think about the live guys we haven't heard from Greg Norman we haven't really heard what the next step is with the PGA Tour and live right it's it's just a cloud of uncertainty right now we know they're gonna merge I mean that's been made public but yet since that time everybody's kind of gone dark on this thing they really have they don't know so I've been texting a bunch of my buddies Brad Fax and Davis Love some of these guys none of them know we don't even know the condition of Jay Monahan we know that he's supposed to return at some point in time but we know that his family's asked for privacy so you know one of the things that the PGA Tour does Danny's handles this stuff in-house yeah you know what I mean and and so they're they're going to respect his privacy and nothing will get out until Monahan lets it out what do you think happens with these players they get a year what's called a suspension two-year suspension do we know if they've been paid in full all these things have to be resolved before you see it all come together right and I don't know what that means so let's say they're going to continue playing on live some sort of modified live schedule while there's still litigation going on but then they let them back on the PGA Tour that means to me that the PGA Tour's got PGA Tour players that didn't go got paid they got paid a lot a lot Rory Tiger Ricky JT Spieth you go up into Colin Morikawa you go up Tony Finau up and down the line that means though somehow or another those players were compensated and and then in terms of a sitting out or so I don't I don't really know what that looks like I really don't know what that looks like hey before we say goodbye 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