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But for me, that was rock bottom. That was when my theology blew up from what I thought a good person does to understanding what a broken person does. And that's a very different experience. Welcome to Family Life Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I'm Ann Wilson.
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Well, this is like a This is like a mini series on Netflix.
So this this Story with Justin and Tricia Davis, who are back with us today. Just keeps going. There's layer after layer. And if you missed yesterday, you got to get part one. Just search Family Life Today, wherever you get your podcasts, and listen to day one with Justin and Tricia Davis.
So Trish, take us back to You're at home. Justin comes home and lays this on you out of the blue. Mm-hmm. You there's something you noticed this morning, but now he says that. What's going on?
Like, how do you respond? What happens in your heart? Yeah. I mean, the next. 24 to 48 hours was one of the biggest emotional roller coasters of heartbreak in and faith.
So we have this confession and I. you know, freak out. and leave the house and I I left the house in a very violent way. There was so much protection. Where were your kids?
They were outside playing and I got in the car and I it makes me emotional, but like I could have really hurt one of them. I wasn't looking when I was leaving. When you're backing up, pulled out, yeah. Yeah, just the protection of. For someone who's listening, it knows what it's like to be in that frame of mind where it's like.
It's like the world stop and it's going. fast all at the same time. And so Justin wasn't broken. And so, in the first 24 hours, it's like I left, I came back home, and my faith was like, we can do this. Through God, wait, wait, you got in the car.
Where'd you go? I went to one of our staff members' house and um. There was a table. Yeah. I don't know if Justin had already told them.
No, I think she called the chairman of our elders. Told him what was going on. He called me, was screaming at me on the phone. You know, this has to be some kind of joke. Please tell me this is a joke.
When you're in a dark place, you have to. block yourself off emotionally to the carnage you're causing to the people that love you the most and that you love. And so, I was just so like closed off, like you're dead. It's not, I'm thinking, you guys have studied this too, of how we create neurological pathways. You're going down this, like, you've created this whole scenario, like, oh, it's Trisha's fault.
Yeah, you know, I'm going to do this. And so, you created this whole lie in your head, probably. And, you know, the person we talk to the most is ourselves. Yeah. And so, the stories we tell ourselves are the most powerful.
And I had, I had rehearsed this scenario that this was the way that this needed to go. And so, I mean, you were on a cruise just. Weeks before. Right. I mean, it was disorienting for everybody.
And I ended up going to one of our other staff members' house. And I remember her and another staff member's wife on their master bedroom. And one of them was like very pregnant. And we just sobbed and sobbed. But then there was this moment that was like, why am I gone?
He needs to leave.
So I end up going back home. And then within like 12 hours, my theology was meeting up with my emotions. And my theology in that moment informed me, I need to forgive. I need to move on. I need to Kind of all of this really inept way of understanding this broken not yet.
You don't forgive now. You already were there. But I was an evil person if I didn't forgive my husband because through Christ, all things are possible. And so was that what you were saying to yourself or was people telling you that? No, I wanted him.
I am a rule follower.
So it was like, okay, I don't trust Justin, but God's word tells me that he is faithful. He is just. He's merciful. He will give me the peace and patience and kindness. Like God will give me all of these things.
But Justin wasn't broken and didn't want to come home.
Well, let me ask you, what were your prayers sounding like to God? I don't know if we can hear those online. Do you guys have a beep button? We can do it. I was like, Lord, just get him into an accident.
Like, maim him up just a little bit. But he's my baby daddy, so like, I need you to. But there was like a moment, you know, I'll let Justin share. Where he began to like realize the gravity of his choices and wanted to come back. And I remember my mom handing me the phone and it was a counselor from Focus on the Family.
And that poor man is not counseling anymore after talking to me, but I'm like, I just want him to come home. I just, I want him to come home. And he said, if you really love him, you'll let him go.
Now, I wish I could say I said kind things, but I did not handle that conversation while I'm like, you are the dumbest. Like all these kind of things came. And I said, if I let him go, I'm screaming in the phone at this poor man. If I let him go and I'm just sobbing, I'm like, he's going to choose her. And then he said.
He already has. Ooh. And until you let him go. You will always be the reason. for all of his issues.
And From that moment on, I went upstairs and I think it's probably the hardest point in our whole entire process is I packed up Justin's things and I tell people it was worse than death. Because if he was death, it would make sense. This was packing up my husband. and kicking him out knowing he's alive and well, he just doesn't want to be with me. But for me, that was rock bottom.
That was when my theology blew up from what I thought a good person does to understanding what a broken person does. And that's a very different experience. What do you wait? What do you mean by that? I think for me, if my whole life When I came to know Christ, I believed everything God said, and so that meant if I followed the rules, I would live an up into the right life.
That we don't live in an up and right life world. If you do this, you get this. Yeah. Yeah. That we live in a broken, sinful world.
And that's. And up until the right life isn't what brought Jesus to the cross. And so I was missing out on the depth of. What it meant to truly be forgiven, to truly know what it means to hit rock bottom. And that Justin shared earlier, that rock bottom is still solid surface to stand, but this I stood as a new person.
It was like I was stripped of all of the titles. Wife Mom. pastor's wife, ministry leader, it was all gone. And God's like, I still love you so much. And that type of experience changes your capacity to love others.
that I was no longer in a hurry to fix us. I was okay just being obedient to what God wanted for me in that moment. And that in that moment, brokenness meant surrender to go whatever it takes. And whatever it takes in this moment meant to kick Justin out of the house. What about your kids?
Yeah. Like what was going on with them and yeah, I don't know that they necessarily knew everything that was going on, but you know, Trisha packed up all of my things. And so I went and stayed in a hotel. When I get to the hotel, a lady from our church called and she said, If you have any hope at all of going to the you know, restoring your marriage, you're going to go to this counseling session that we made for you. Yeah.
And I had never been to counseling, 10 years, never been to counseling. I told Dennis Rainey this several years ago, but we had a year before the affair. We had a couple in our church that wanted us to go to Weekend to Remember. I blew that off too, didn't think I needed that. Yeah.
And so I go to this counseling session really defiantly and just kind of tell the counselor about as much as I've shared. Here and she just said, Why are you here? Why are you at this counseling session? And I said, Well, if I'm really being honest with you, I want you to help me figure out how God's going to bless my life no matter who I choose. That's what I want.
You said that? Yeah. Wow. You said well She said, I can help broken people. I can't help hard-hearted people.
Justin, like when she said that, what did you think? I just saw it. This lady doesn't know what she's talking about. And she doesn't know me. Yeah.
And I never thought that. You could not see that you were hard-hearted at that point, no? And I never really experienced brokenness before. You know, I'd been a Christian since I was 10. I'd been a pastor for 10 years.
I leave that counseling session. I go back to the house I'm staying at, which is four miles from our house, with the family that helped us start the church. I'm in a seven-year-old's pink bedroom. They had moved her in with her sister. And everything that I own is in boxes against the wall.
And as I'm walking in, the guy that was letting me stay with him, he said, it's going to feel like it's over. But it's not over. And I had no idea what he was talking about, and then I saw everything. you know, that I owned. And it just broke me.
Mm-hmm. And uh At that time, Trish wasn't interested. in my games. You know, and so. The counselor that I had went and saw.
I called and said, please give me a second chance. They reached out and said, Do not make any contact with Trish. If she wants to talk to you, she'll talk to you. Um, there was a mediator that helped us get our kids back and forth between the houses and so And I started going to counseling by myself. What did you say to the kids?
Trish really explained more of the relational. Aspect of what was going on that I, you know, wasn't living there, that I wanted to be married to someone else. You said that, Trish? You said your dad wants to be married. How old are the kids at this point?
They are nine, seven, and two. What did they say? You know, again, totally not trauma-informed. And so Micah was old enough to go, who does daddy want to be married? Or who does daddy want to be?
He was so confused, and I was like, I will go to my grave. I will never tell him who this is because it's my best friend of seven years, like his second mom. Like, I can't. you know That family's kids are close to our kids. And so there was so much.
That it was like Justin had a very poignant conversation with Micah that it was like God was doing something in our family. And my counselor at the time said, and this is true even to today, that. Kids deserve to know the truth in right-sized, age-appropriate way. Because, especially for kids, they start to take on as if it's something they've done wrong. And the truth, truly, Jesus is so brilliant that it does set you free.
And so I remember the m man that Justin, the family was staying with, was over, and Tony is this very large man. He's like six eleven.
So he's sitting on the stairs, my nine-year-old, and just encompassing him. And it was like, okay, I'm gonna tell him. And as soon as I told him who it was, his demeanor completely changed because now he had the truth to begin to grieve even as a nine year old. But that was really a the beginning for him to have identity stripped for him as well. Because when he met with Justin.
Yeah, I mean, you know, he he basically asked me, Hey, are you and mom going to get divorced? And I said, I don't know. I said, but I can tell you one thing. And I said, I'm not going to be the pastor of Genesis Church anymore. And he just flipped out.
He's like, you got to be the pastor? You have to be the pastor. I'm the pastor's son. You have to be the pastor. And it was, you know, now this is probably a week into our separation.
And It was just such an apparent moment of we had built our identity as a family, not around Christ, but around my role at the church. And he was invested. I mean, he had invited so many of his friends and family that were coming to the church. But it was just, it was a recognition, even early on in that process, that this is not about the affair, the relationship. It's about.
the dysfunction that has infiltrated our family.
Some that we knew about, some that we didn't even know about, patterns of behavior that we had allowed to become normalized, that we thought some were spiritual, that were actually pretty destructive. And so, you know, Trisha and I were separated for two and a half months. We didn't talk for the first ten days. And then 10 days into our separation, she'd call me on my cell phone. I tell people, if the prodigal son's dad would have had a cell phone, this would have been a call he would have made.
And she just said, I hear you've been going to counseling. And I said, yeah. She said, well, I'm willing to go with you. Your kids are fighting again.
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So when you came home, the boxes are against the wall, not home, but into this pink bedroom. The pink bedroom. Yeah. That's when you hit rock bottom and you were like, okay, I need to get some. But everything at that point felt like manipulation to her.
You know what I mean? Because he didn't trust you. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Is he just trying to smooth this over? I mean, how is it? Is it when you're sitting there in that pink bedroom and there is a box your whole life? Is the love you thought you had for this other woman, she's the one I want, is it dissipate? Or is it a struggle?
It was almost like there were scales on my eyes that just fell off. Like, what have I done? And so, you know, that started really. A journey for us of counseling and of two years of healing. you know, 30 days into our counseling, we'd gone to counseling four days a week.
And the only reason we didn't go on Friday is because they were closed. I mean, I was unemployed, so I had nothing else to do.
Well, Tricia, how did you end up going to counseling? Because you called and said, Hey, I heard you're going to counseling. Yeah. But you're a little skeptical. Yeah, it was like I quantify it as if it was like I couldn't see anything.
And what counseling was doing is it was teaching me to see it as a prism of pain. And the the beauty that is found in redemptive pain. that God does use all things for good. And so it was discovering to name it for what it is. And then understand it and how that behavior or how that choice.
is affecting my life personally. And then making the choice, what do I want to do with it? And it's not, you know, this like linear, oh, I got on this train and it just took me. It was like very, you know, the roller terrain. Yeah.
And we were separated for two and a half months, and we, we, we know that if we were in the same house, it was so awesome. All over the place for both of us. We would have done more damage to each other trying to find our own path to healing that I don't know if we would have been able to make it. 30 days into counseling, our counselor is like, Justin, you know, you're at a really pivotal point because Trisha's starting to trust you again. He said, if you've left anything out, now's the time to share it.
Because unconfessed sin always leads to repeated behavior. And so, if you don't be back here in three years or 13 years, you better come clean now. And I knew I was withholding things. Not because I wanted to hurt her, but because I thought if she knew that, it would be over. And so I came over to the house and The same day?
No, this was. This was on a Thursday. I came over to the house on the next Monday. Wrestled with it through the weekend. Yeah.
Well, he he had he had shared some things in that counseling about the Affair and I lost my mind and left him. We had driven together. I left him there and I was filing for divorce on Monday. Like I was done at this point. Our marriage was over.
I'd gone over to my pastor friend's house Friday night. I was working at P.F. Chang's at that time as a waiter. And I said, uh I need to tell you something. Trisha's leaving me.
She's filing for divorce. I said, but. I've got more things I need to share. And I don't I don't know if I should or not. And he's like, you need to share it with her.
And so I went over to the house that Monday morning. I said, Hey, I said, as far as the affair goes, I've told you everything. I said, but I have to share more with you. She's like, Okay and I said um I was sexually abused when I was a kid and I've never told anyone about it. I've never gotten help for it.
I said, I'm not trying to justify my choices. I'm just telling you there's a broken part of me that I can't fix. I said, I've struggled with pornography for the last 10 years and I've deflected it and I've denied it. I've preached against it. I've counseled people through it.
I've lied to you about it. I've gaslit you about it. And if you want to leave me. If you want a divorce, you can have everything. This is not about us.
This is about me finally living. with integrity and a right relationship with God. And um Yeah, I'm getting emotional. She said.
Now we can start over.
Now we can begin again because I finally know the real you. And I wish that was the finish line. I wish we high-fived and lived happily ever after. That was really the starting line of what became a two-year journey of finding healing from sexual abuse and freedom from sexual addiction. that I tell people all the time it's like There's a beauty.
in having someone know the worst parts of you. and still loving you. That's what makes Grace so amazing. And I think we try to sanitize it. And we try to make it less filthy than it really is.
And we miss out on the fullness of God's grace and the fullness of God's love that He knows us fully and He loves us anyway. And that's the beauty of marriage. Intimacy, that being fully known and knowing that you're fully loved is such a secure place to be. Trish, when he told you what was going through your mind, how what made you respond? It's like kind of like being out to sea in a boat and you've just been like you're so tired and you're seasick and you just don't even know what's up or down.
This moment was like. A crashing to the shore that the life that we had known had obliterated into pieces. And now it was like, okay, this is overwhelming at how much carnage there is. But at the same time, We don't have to pick up that piece anymore. We can actually start again.
And so there was such an innocence when you lose everything and everybody knows you're a failure. There's a freedom in it of like. And guess what? God still loves me.
So there's a courage that comes from that. And then, you know, what we've been living in the past 20 years is since then. Is this incredible experience of what I believe God created us for, and that's to be fully known and fully loved. And so now we were like actually living. And I think, you know, to your point, you asked, how does someone?
choose to step out of their marriage or their it's so complex of why we choose those things. But at the end of the day, it's we want to be known and we want to be loved. And we were figuring out that we could know and love each other outside of kind of the up and right perfection, but really the power of saying, I just saw you do that. And I've seen you repent from it. And there is something powerful and beautiful and spiritual about it that creates something in our marriage relationship of a depth that you.
It's undescribable. But it's why we are who we are today, and why people say, Why do you share this story? Isn't it hard? And I'm like, It is, but it also is the greatest gift of experiencing God in the way that we experienced then and continue to. And now, you know, we're getting older, and you know, you know, the love is different in a sense of like.
I don't know. I can't. It's it's fun. Marriage is fun. It's a a deep knowing that I believe is just such this gift that it becomes worth fighting for rather than always fighting against.
And I think we've spent the first 10 years trying to have this Just fighting against each other to get to it. Justin, what did it feel like for you? You had received God's grace, but now when you shared everything, like all of it was out right before Trish. What did that feel like to receive? her grace in it.
It was unbelievable and it was It was the first time that I ever had anyone know me completely. Ever yeah and I think One of the So after this, this kind of a little funny moment after all this.
So we get through that. We're crying. We're hugging. I said, I got to tell you something else. And I said, I was never recruited to play basketball at the University of Evansville.
And she's like, what? And I said, that's a lie I've been telling myself, you know, since my junior year of high school. Really? And so it was just this, it was this freedom to tell myself something. Yeah.
It was just like, I don't want any, like that prayer that David prays, search me, oh God, and know me. See if there be any anxious way in me. Like, I think sometimes we struggle with anxiety because we know we're keeping things from God. We're keeping things even from ourself. And embracing that pain was hard, but it was a redemptive pain.
It wasn't a destructive pain. The pain of hiding things is a destructive pain that eventually catches up to us. And it caught up to me. And so I knew that it was going to be painful, but I could tell it was just, there was going to be a beauty and a redemption to it, and it was going to be worth it. And that's what, you know, Jesus says the truth will set you free.
What it conveniently leaves out is it will make you miserable first. That's true. I mean, this story is crazy, isn't it? Like the things they've walked through and the betrayal. Yeah, but it's also beautiful because God met them and is meeting them and I hope is meeting you as well.
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