Fact-checking Kamala Harris on Abortion

How about we fact check Vice President Harris on abortion? and here to infuse you with faith and truth and courage to help you stand strong on the front lines. A little later in the broadcast we will talk briefly about another assassination attempt on President Trump. I want to open the phone lines for any question you have.

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The phone lines will be open later in the show for anything under the sun if we have time to get to your calls. First though, we want to focus again on the topic of abortion. I did a program last week after the debate and I said this is not partisan politically. I'm not giving you pro-republican anti-democrat and say let's just look at what the candidates said where they stood and of course those of us who are pro-lifemen disappointed with President Trump's stances in recent months and things he said.

I explained that there was a far better way he could have responded to the question about a national abortion ban if that was presented to him. Would he sign it? Would he veto it? And I said the right answer is that would be the will of the people.

If it got that majority behind it, that's the will of the people. Of course I would sign it. In any case, we also highlighted some of the extreme position of the Democrats and Vice President Kamala Harris and what we want to do today is do a little fact checking. So I'm joined by Sue Lebo. She is the Midwestern Regional Director for the Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America organization with a story of her own to tell. Sue, thanks so much for taking time to join us today. Hey, thank you for having me today. I appreciate being on. Sure thing. Can I ask you why you personally are so passionate about the subject of abortion?

Yes, you can. I unfortunately was in the first wave of women in the 1970s that believed the lie that abortion for convenience was would help would make my life better. I was actually not a poor woman. I was in a sorority. I was in college. I was going to go to grad school. All of the things and I thought that having an abortion from an unplanned pregnancy would allow me to achieve my goals.

Why would it get in the way of your life goals and purposes, right? Well, at that age, at the age of 21, I was still kind of all about me and doing what I wanted to do. Unfortunately, I did have an abortion at that time. I did go on to achieve many of those goals, but I found that I was living a nightmare because of what I'd done.

I told no one. I held that secret to myself and the shame and the guilt that I felt was just overpowering. There's a lot of research and I've learned since, of course, that the research shows that women turn to drugs and alcohol and poor relationships and anger issues and all kinds of things. When we're holding in something that significant, it comes out in some ways. Anyway, long story short, but a beautiful story ended up when I surrendered my life to Christ. I asked him for his forgiveness and he not only forgave me, but he picked me up and dusted me off and said, you know what?

I think you can work for me and put me on a path to speaking out. I don't want another woman to go through what I've gone through. I also want every woman out there within the sound of my voice who has had an abortion to know that there is forgiveness, there is healing. You can move past this with the love and the forgiveness of Jesus Christ. The blood of Christ has washed me clean and I would be more than happy to talk to any woman anywhere and explain how that works.

But the gospel and the love of Christ has brought me to where I am today, which is right here on your radio program. Talk about the scourge on this country that is abortion, the impact it's having and frankly how far it's come right under our noses when we're not watching. When we're talking about what President Trump and Vice President Harris was talking about at the debate the other night, the fact that we're talking about states that allow, and that's the fact check, there are 10 states and the District of Columbia that do allow babies to die after they are accidentally born in a botched abortion.

That's how far we've come and a lot of folks don't even know that. Again, I do debates all the time so it's always easy to think I could have said this when you're watching and in the heat of the moment other stuff is going on. But if President Trump simply brought up the Born Alive Protection Act where there are attempts that were made to say okay if a baby survives an abortion will you sign into law that it is you must give that child health care and that's been battled and resisted for years in Congress and by presidential leaders. In any case, thank you for being open and vulnerable and thank you for the sensitivity to say if we're going to talk about abortion let's reach out to women who've had abortion because Sue I've been shocked. Sometimes we'll talk about the issue on the air and women will call who had abortions. Now these are Christian women. They're forgiven and they'll start to talk and they start weeping 30 years ago and it's on the one hand they know they're forgiven but the reality of it is such so. I've got one more quick question and then we'll spend the rest of the time fact checking three main lines.

One more quick question. You said that there's statistics now there's studies that indicate how many women make wrong choices after abortion. Now you never ever hear a syllable of that from mainstream media or from the left not even a hint of it basically this is what you shout your abortion tell about it you're a comedian laugh about it you're saying that many women of course I've heard this anecdotally over the over the decades but you're saying it's now being studied statistically that many women are not I'm really not even Christian women just secular women they hurt after their abortions.

Oh absolutely. There are volumes of research on this and no you don't hear about it because they don't want you to hear about it. Just like on the debate the other night the lady moderator didn't want to fact check that she was wrong but she didn't want that to go on. They don't want you to know but there's a lot there's a ton of research out there that we know that women who have had abortions and if not you know sought counseling or dealt you know dealt with that the deep burden that they carry and the shame that they carry can lead to these other things even some health issues and stress and anxiety issues as well as addictions poor door relationships whatnot it's not it's different for every woman and not every single woman does have these sorts of impacts but it is very common and it took me several decades to come to terms and and and to be honest about it and to look into that research and I went through a healing program it was like a two-day kind of a group support group it was just absolutely wonderful I was scared to death to go there right and talk about it because I hadn't talked about it but once we start talking about something we take its power away when we put it out on the table and really start talking and feeling those feelings see I had to go back many many years now and bring those feelings back out but that is just how good our God is that is just what the word of God tells us and and when we seek forgiveness we we are forgiven and we choose to follow Jesus Christ that becomes a daily forgiveness however I will tell you that even though I know that I'm forgiven I still have days where I beat myself up yeah so there are yeah yes we are and and there are also natural consequences of behavior any kind of you know behavior there are some consequences you just can't get out of even though you forgive it but one of the hardest things for a woman to do especially when she's sitting in church on Sunday morning is to forgive herself yeah I I had a colleague preach once I was listening to his message and he preached a very very strong word in in the midst of a message a sermon he just really hammered on the evils of abortion it was very intense very strong and afterwards I said to him that was terrific and I'm so glad you're so courageous to do it I said but the moment you finish that you need to take some time to heal up the wounds that you just ripped open because there are many women that even though they're forgiven that's right they've had abortions and you just reopen those wounds so those wounds so something we've got to be sensitive to all right let's uh we've got a couple minutes before the first break so let's start here um well president trump claimed that uh there are states where abortions uh happening you know the seventh eighth ninth month under roe v wade that was the case and uh vice president harris just looks scornfully at it and what's what's the truth about that oh that's absolutely true um there are um 10 states and the district of columbia that have no limit on abortion so abortion up until birth um not you know heartbeat bill or when a baby can feel pain or just no limits whatsoever um up until the day a baby is born it is true and I think it's so hard to realize this and recognize this um we'd much be much more comfortable if we didn't talk about this but it is a fact and it is true um it's also true that there are uh states and you mentioned it in congress where they've tried to pass the born alive infant protection act so if a baby is born alive accidentally after an abortion abortion tries to kill a baby but if it pops out alive there are states who have laws that say okay you you didn't have to treat that baby as a patient you know you you have to provide life provide life-saving care uh and you now have two patients on your table um but uh democrats in general I'm not trying to be uh political I'm being factual I've never seen one in the states or at the federal level vote for that bill and in fact I want you to know that governor waltz you know he's the governor of Minnesota um he vetoed that bill in Minnesota and when he was in congress he was a congressman before he was a governor when he was in congress he accidentally voted for it and then apologized and voted against it um Kamala Harris has also when she was in the senate voted against the born alive protection act um Barack Obama when he was in the state senate in Illinois it is so common I see it all the time when states try to pass this sort of thing and it becomes a partisan fight this should never be a partisan fight but unfortunately that's what we have here is a very partisan approach yeah extraordinarily when we're talking about the lives of babies born alive so lie number one no states allow abortion up until the ninth month no they do it can even happen late-term abortion lie number two there's no state in which abortion after birth is legal well infanticide it does occur and 15 states allow it we'll be right back it's the line of fire with your host dr michael brown get on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is dr michael brown thanks to our great co-sponsor trivita just unpacked my own box of my monthly trivita supplies including nopalea you can check it out for yourself and then a generous donation is made to the line of fire call 800-771-5584 go to trivita.com use the code brown 25. I'm speaking with Sue Liebel she is with the Susan B. Anthony pro-life organization one of the key product organizations in the country and right before the break Sue you mentioned that mentioned that senator then senator Kamala Harris voted against the born alive abortion survivor protection act which requires abortions to provide potentially life-saving care to babies born during botched abortions no they claim well if we do this then it's just another another nail in the pro-life coffin they're trying to advance their agenda you know whatever the whatever they're thinking the fact is the bill was simply that if a baby survives an abortion by law you must provide it with whatever health care you can rather than just let it die comfortably um what did what are the governor of virginia the previous governor of virginia actually say about that in a radio interview governor Northam oh yes yes yes um several years ago but he was on a radio program and he was explaining and that if the baby was born alive they would just make it comfortable while the parents and the doctor confer about what to do the the implication like i can't say it like he can but the implication was that death just letting it die is is an option yeah and um as i mentioned before the break governor walt the running mate um vetoed that bill uh in the state and also took away any reporting requirements so now in minnesota we can't know how many uh will be alive um accidentally born alive um or late term or or whatnot because we won't have any more statistics and we know another trick the house of horrors with with late abortionist kermit gostel and then going to you know he's in jail for that that's that's the level of the crimes these things really happen now look i know a lot of us know that donald trump can exaggerate and he can lie like other politicians lie what he was saying about abortion into the seventh eighth ninth month and for any reason the mother could say in the ninth month i'm having a breakdown i can't i cannot have this child and in numerous states in america she can get an abortion even though the baby's totally viable okay let's give birth to the baby no i i can't i can't think about i i can't make it she could have an abortion just for that jill stanack who is a uh nurse at christ hospital in chicago this is what she testified before congress in the event a baby was aborted alive he or she received no medical assessments or care but was only given what my hospital called comfort care made comfortable as governor northam indicated one night a nursing co-worker was transporting a baby who had been aborted because he had down syndrome to our soiled utility room to die because that's where survivors were taken i could not bear the thought of his suffering of the suffering child dying alone so i rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived he was 21 to 22 weeks old weighed about a half pound and was about the size of my hand and and as a senator kamala harris and tim waltz and his role in the senate they both said we veto the bill that would guarantee and require medical care for babies that survive abortion just once you know the reality okay lie right lie number three pro-life laws make it criminal for a doctor to provide health care quote vice president harris trump abortion bans make it criminal for a doctor to provide health care in one state it provides prison for life i've talked with women around our country we want to talk about this is what people wanted pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to terms suffering from a miscarriage being denied care in an emergency room because the health care providers are afraid they might go to jail and she's bleeding out in the car in the parking lot she didn't want that her husband didn't want that please respond with truth well no woman who claims that she was forced to travel out of state for an abortion actually needed an induced abortion every story in the media of a woman denied a so-called medically necessary abortion or was forced to go out of state is is misleading that is false there is no pregnancy complication that requires the baby to be deliberately killed prior to an emergency delivery these are misleading stories the media is fueling this and one story of the texas women for example allegedly allegedly was denied a miscarriage was also very inaccurate miscarriages are treated in pro-life states but because the lies are being spread by the pro-abortion immediate politicians lies are being spread Kamala Harris that was a lie women suffering from miscarriage are being misled to believe that unless they're offered immediate emergency surgery they're not receiving a mechanic that's just not true pro-life laws ban one thing the direct and intentional killing of a child in which the desired result the intent is to kill the baby so there the irony is the grand irony of this whole thing is what she's talking about is actually health care not abortion and so there is no state we've done the research all 50 states whether they're blue or they're red all 50 states laws allow health care treatment for women with crisis pregnancy they've got an ectopic pregnancy or having a miscarriage or something like that there are many other conditions it may mean that the baby has to be separated from the mother too early it may be that other measures need to be taken you know to save the mother but they're trying to save the baby if they can also so they're viewing that as two patients as long as they can abortion that a whole point of it is to directly kill that child and so this is misleading it is shameful what's happening the medical community the the mainstream media and now our vice presidential candidate are trying to scare women and misstate the truth and the truth is that women can get that care when they're pregnant in every state in the country yeah so that's that's some of the frustration sue the level of misinformation and lies that we're fighting as opposed to actually looking at the real issues hey just take a couple minutes tell our listeners and viewers about susan b anthony and how they can find out more for themselves oh i'd love to thank you yes susan b anthony is the largest pro-life organization in the country we have over a million members nationwide and um our um our goal our mission is to end abortion by passing laws and electing pro-life uh leaders who will vote for the good pro-life laws i'm not against them i'm not against them uh we're trying to use the power of the pen uh in this country and impact or make no doubt about it we're trying to impact those elections and get pro-life people elected especially to the u.s senate and the presidency because that's an important level for our judicial system but also at the state level now because so many of those decisions can be made at the state also and so that's our our main goal is to elect people that will end abortion in this country if you'd like to know more we also have a 501 c 3 am we have a research and medical arm we have a purely medical research they publish journal you know articles and journals and do medical research that's called the charlotte lozier institute and we also have a lovely program that's putting together mate we're making an app for her phone it uses gis and so if a pregnant woman is somewhere in a in a small town or a large town in her state and she puts in i need food or i need transportation or i need housing or whatever it uses gis to find those services for her that's an app that we're making called her plan and we're in about half the country now with that because we want to be sure that while we're trying to end abortion as we know it we also want to be sure that women are getting a care that they need and to have healthy families and that the and for the women to succeed um in with their life goals too and it's true we can't we can do both it's okay i we don't have to buy buy the lies that i i bought in the 1970s got it way past that now and sue what's the uh what's the website once more sbaprolife.org all right as in susan b anthony sbaprolife.org sue thanks so much for taking time to be with us today appreciate it thanks for having me it's the line of fire with your host dr michael brown get on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is dr michael brown and welcome back friends to the line of fire and our folks at the truth studio please check the question i posted for you there and then you can reply to me in our chat box all right let's go over to antonio in north carolina welcome to the line of fire hey dr michael brown thank you for having me sure um my question is um jesus is called or claimed to be equal to god the father in righteousness eternity knowledge and what have you so my question is why in the book of mark um and of course in matthew and luke is jesus undergoing a baptism by john the baptist for the remission of sin to fulfill all righteousness right so in other words it's not for sin because he hasn't sinned so that's why and john's saying hey i should be i should be right now you should be baptizing me not me you so he recognized he was a greater one and a worthy one uh it was it was simply as a rite of passage as a symbol of full dedication to the father as a path of stepping into the the calling that he was about to step into that's when the spirit visibly comes down upon him so it was it was it was not he had to be singled out differently otherwise you'd think he's doing it for his own sins so he was doing it as an act of consecration so everyone was consecrated themselves in repentance uh he was giving a fresh consecration of his life to the purposes of god but not as one who sinned there's an act of righteousness um so but if people are getting baptized and they're remitting their because i think everyone else is also getting baptized there before jesus appears um they are getting their sins forgiven how how is that first of all how is that how is that possible because from my understanding we cannot have our sins forgiven unless we accept the blood of jesus right this is before the blood of jesus is a known concept so within within the israelite system you had daily sacrifices being offered in the temple you had so daily sacrifices being offered in the temple you had um more widely than that you had annual day of atonement but repentance was an ongoing command repentance was an always thing you know just for example let's say today uh you and i are talking you know we're friends and neighbors and i get married lose my temper we have an argument i say hey man i'm sorry forgive me we don't both go to the altar pray the sinner's prayer oh i've got to go to church and have no as saved people as forgiving people this is just getting right and then say lord cleanse me that was wrong what i did and you know i asked your forgiveness so israel could always repent this is an always thing at all times that's what the prophets call for always repent repent repent repent repent then there was also an atonement system with that so the nation could so the nation could get right right relationship with god and certain specific sins could be dealt with but the ongoing need yeah i guess then i guess what i meant to say then um is why specifically do we need jesus as the sacrifice when as you say there is a very sophisticated system with multiple avenues of to remit your sin i just don't understand then why would why would we need jesus to die specifically on the cross for that great great question because it's both and in other words there's no repentance without there was no forgiveness without blood sacrifice the blood sacrifice pointed to the death of messiah in other words god has to bring justice there has to be a punishment for sin god can't simply say okay all sins we just throw away without there being a punishment without there being a penalty so the animal sacrifice system simply was symbolic and ultimately and that it pointed to the messiah pointed to the innocent lamb the innocent sacrifice dying in place of the of the guilty sufferer so the the simple principle is life for life so the sins of the nation would be put on on the animal the animal would die and god would say based on that with your repentance is forgiveness that ultimately pointed to the fact that god was going to do the incomprehensible thing to us he was going to bring judgment he's going to bring judgment on the guilty yet providing forgiveness and atonement how by having someone else take the punishment substitutionary atonement so that always had to be there jesus was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world through repentance and faith we join in with that but all the repenting in the world well someone's got to pay somewhere you know just thinking our court system okay a guy commits terrible crimes and he rapes somebody and he and he murders someone and he says to the judge man i'm really sorry and judge says okay who am i to judge you go ahead no no there is someone's got to pay for it so ultimately all of our sins would damn us to hell forever and ever and ever and ever they were all damn us to hell for ever the good news is the good news is jesus took our sins on the cross and if we turn to god in repentance and faith we'll be cleansed hey thank you sir for the call i appreciate it and let's go over to lance in new york welcome to the line of fire thank you very much for having me on the show great program my question is there's a ministry that has recently fallen into like scandal and sin and i won't say who it is unless you unless you want me to say um but throughout the years i've received a lot of value from the ministry from both sermons from books and i i kind of want to go back and still revisit those things and get the edification but each time i go back i'm just thinking about the sin and the scandal and whatnot and it's difficult for me to overcome that mental leap so how how should i view that ministry do i need to walk away from the teachings and and the value i previously got for it and kind of the example i think of is like david and the psalms david had sin and and shortfall in his life but i don't put the psalms away and not revisit those curious what your thoughts are let's look at this from three different angles okay because this is a very common question in this day and age number one any good thing we got from anyone was from god so any insight any blessing anything that inspired us anything that helped us you know it's just like if you came to faith through an evangelist that you found out afterwards was corrupt not even saved they were just acting but they preached the gospel well it was god who saved you not that person so paul's explicit in that first christians three one one one person sows another reaps god gives the increase so neither the one who sows or reaps is anything but or or one plants another the waters excuse me in that context one plants in the waters god gives the increase so neither the one who plants is anything the one who waters is anything but only god who gives the increase so any good thing you ever got from anybody anything whatsoever then that is from the lord rejoice in it that's the first thing in other words don't let that be taken from you okay second thing what if the person was a hypocrite leading a double life the whole time so every so somehow god still spoke to them they were gifted he still moved through them but the person was a hypocrite the person was living a double life not who you thought they were right and now and now this is going to be hard it's going to be hard to think okay when i'm reading this book when i'm listening to this message that the person was living a double life the whole time i have to kind of walk away but let's take it option three now or point number three you raise david god after david sin and after david repented god forgave his sin and named the next child he had with david and vasheba jedidiah jedidiah which is beloved of the lord that's what god named the kiss so the the the marital union was birthed at adultery and murder the first child died and then god named the next child which was solomon he gave him a personal name loved by yahweh the only one in the bible that actually has that name actually has that name jedidiah loved by god that was given by god specifically and god gave great promises to solomon and then the name david outside of jesus in terms of people walk this earth his name occurs the next most and god keeps referring to him as a man after my own heart a man after my own heart so that's the beauty of repentance so if i receive from a ministry and i find out that at some point in the past there was sin but there was true repentance got things right with god and man and god's blessings on them awesome in fact we need more of that because we have a culture that just cancels everybody you made one mistake one time god had fixed before god and man or dealt with it however some things just dealt with privately whatever the thing is and now people just want to cancel destroy that's not the gospel that's not the heart of god that's not the blood of jesus does that's not what forgiveness does so if if we continue living in sin may it come to life if we refuse to repent may it come to life but let's say you're reading about this ministry is okay there was a a blemish the person messed up repenting got right with god and everything they were saying before that was from the lord and after that from the lord praise god isn't that a picture of all of us on some level you know recipients of the incredible mercy of god so i would struggle if i'm thinking the whole time this person is ministering they were living a double life that would that would be rough that would be rough but if if if something came to light now about someone in the past and it was truly dealt with with true repentance i believe you look at the life has god favored that life has god blessed that life has god used that person just like with david in fact later on when the king of asyria is going to attack jerusalem almost 300 years after the time of david god says i'm going to protect the city from my sake and from my servant david's sake still refers to him in that affectionate way so our culture today we cut we cut proverbs out of the bible we cut psalms out of the bible uh we cut a whole lot of people out of the bible thank god that's not his posture so any good thing you receive from the ministry wonderful that was from the lord if in fact over a period of years like accusations against rabies and double life the whole time it'd be hard to receive from that but if there was a mess up sin repented of truly and god's favors on the person and keep receiving that's a testimony to the forgiving grace of god earth to rabi earth to grayson there we're good all right you got you hear me yeah i hear you great supposedly and i sure hope stew's right but it's normal he didn't get a phone number for us to call them but some people from liberty are going to be calling and dr carson will be calling as well hopefully pretty quick um the the title of the um podcast or whatever you want to call it is how do you refuel your spiritual tank okay and i'll come in there and we'll pray