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I mean, really bad stuff in light of the reach that she has. In the second half of the show, going to have a fascinating interview with Jeff Myers. He's written a new book, Should Christians Support Israel? It is nuanced. It is fleshed out on the ground.
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So that's another free service that we send out to you once a week. Okay. Some months back, it was last year, late last year, when there was a conflict between Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens when she was still on the Daily Wire. She said some things that to me were blatantly anti-Semitic. There was no disguising what she was saying, and then made some very ignorant wrong statements about Israel. I mean, just factually wrong.
People wondering, what's up? What's up with Candace Owens? And then this year, a few months back, some statements that were blatantly anti-Semitic and putting out narratives that are just wrong, false narratives, but some of the standard conspiratorial anti-Jewish theories that are out there. So a few days back, she went on another rant. I had only heard a clip that was about a minute and a half long. And then last night saw maybe eight more minutes of it, which is even more shocking.
But I want to play this for you. And remember, she has millions of online followers. She said a lot of good things, done a lot of good things over the years.
She's recently now officially converted to Catholicism to join her husband. And we'll come to that a little later in the broadcast. But I want you to hear what she has to say.
We had to bleep out a word or two. And then I'm going to tell you more of what she shared and why it was is so utterly factually outlandish. I'm not talking about an opinion. I'm talking about factually outlandish.
Okay. Aaron Judge, the greatest hitter in baseball right now, the greatest, one of the greatest home run hitters ever. Aaron Judge is not on the Supreme Court, even though his last name is Judge. He's not on the Supreme Court.
Oh, oh. And Michael Brown, I am Caucasian, even though my last name is Brown. But the type of stuff that Candace Owens puts forward would be just as ridiculous as saying, well, Aaron Judge is on the Supreme Court because that's his last name, Judge.
Michael Brown is obviously a person of color because the last name is Brown. I mean, stuff that bizarre and that factually false. All right, listen to what she has to say. Many moons ago, before they decided to establish Israel as a country, I know you've read like the short version in the classroom and it was like, oh, the Holocaust happened and then we realized that Israel needs to stay. No, that's not how it went down.
That's not how it went down at the F all. Okay. Catholics and Christians were going missing on Passover and then they would find bodies across Europe and they were able to trace them back to Jews. Blow Bible, they weren't Jews. Okay. These were Frankists. And so just like Leo Frank killed Mary Fagan on Passover back in 1913 or 1914, I can't remember the exact date, he did it during Passover for a reason.
This Frankist cult, which is masquerading behind Jews, still participates in this day. Okay. Why would you want as a small nation that is the size of New Jersey? Okay. Why would you want the pedophiles to flee there?
Why would you want the pedophiles to be procreating? Hmm. Unless, unless the nation of Israel may have been established by some Frankists and it's looking like Theodore Herzl's family was from the exact same area in Moravia and in Bohemia where the Frankist cult was founded. Crazy, crazy.
When you get into his family, that like maybe Theodore Herzl who wrote in a book that he didn't care how many Jews had to die for him to get to say to Israel, like maybe he was not actually a Torah worshiping Jew. I don't know. I'm just throwing out some ideas here.
And by throwing out some ideas, I mean, I've read a ton of books and I figured it out. Okay. I am just like, so over the idea that Israel is our ally. And if another person says that stupid statement, I'm going to personally punch you in the face. I am, it's going to be me. That's a joke. Don't take this video off of Twitter wink.
All right. So Candace Owens obviously has some real problems. She has some real problems that that was a sick rant there.
And then the mix of profanity asks what kind of Christian she's on top of everything else, just little hints, but that is a woman that needs prayer right now and encounter with reality and repentance of sin. So let's, let's just factually break down this other ridiculous nonsensical rant, which then goes on for maybe another eight minutes and it gets more and more bizarre and crazy. So first, Catholics, Christians were not going missing all over Europe and their bodies were found traced back to Jews. That is the blood libel. It is, it is a lie. It is an antisemitic lie, documented, proven lie that every year Jews to this day will kidnap a Christian child or a priest or something, and then kill them and drain their blood and use it for the making of Passover matzah, the unleavened bread. That is a blatant 100% lie with zero truth to it.
It's been spread over the years. She said, no, no, no, but wasn't actually Jews doing it. It was Frankus.
Frankus, a perverted sex cult founded by Jacob Frank. They, they were guilty of all kinds of bizarre sicko things, but they were not even accused of doing this. They actually accused others of doing it, but they were not actually even accused of doing this. So this first, the thing is a lie that had happened. Number one, it's still believed in many parts of the Muslim Arab world, this blood libel. Number one, it's a lie that it ever happened. Number two, it had nothing to do with Frankus on top of it.
Number three, she says, wait a second. Theodor Herzl, his family came from the exact same place in Moravia, in Bohemia that the Frankus came from. No, the Frankus didn't come from there. Jacob Frank was a Polish Jew. And then the, the Frankus cult originated in what would be modern day Ukraine. Well, they're both Europe.
I mean, you get it. Oh, so something happened in Europe and your family was born in Europe, so they must be part of it. You're part of the Ku Klux Klan. Why? Because you live in America and that's where the Klan started. I mean, it's, it's that bizarre, crazy stuff.
Not to mention that Frankus had basically disappeared by the time Herzl was born. But why quibble over facts? Why deal with facts when you can have another anti-Semitic conspiracy and when people like me push back against it? See, that's proof that the Jews own the world. No, it's proof that I, as a follower of Jesus, hate lies, especially the kind of lies that have brought the blood, about the bloodshed of my people over the centuries. That's why I hate it.
And when someone's doing it as an alleged Christian, all the more do I hate it, and all the more do I pray for their awakening and their repentance. All right, now, what about Leo Franklin? Leo Frank killed Mary Fagan during Passover in 1913. First, Leo Frank, his last name was Frank, had nothing, had no more to do with Frankus than that he was a living Frankfurter. Come on, that guy's last name was Frank, it's a common last name. Here, how can I be alive today when I was killed by cops in Ferguson, Missouri? Michael Brown was killed.
Oh, there are lots of Michael Browns up here. His name Leo Frank, there's no connection between Leo Frank and Frankus. The Frankus didn't exist.
The Frankus had no connection to America. Plus, plus the great majority of legal scholars believe that Leo Frank was framed, that he didn't commit any murder, that they know who did commit the murder. They're aware of who committed the murder. So, he was falsely accused. And then there was such an anti-Semitic outrage against him, he was dragged out of a prison and lynched. But this is further proof that the Frankus are pedophiles and the Frankus found it, found it, found it, the state of Israel, because Theor Herzl's family came from a place that allegedly Frankism was born in, even though it wasn't, even though it didn't exist really anymore, that there's some connection somewhere and that the Frankus are masquerading as Jews. Actually, the Frankus were Jews. The Frankus were, they were perverted sects, a sect of Jews, but they were Jews.
And then ultimately, Frank and others converted to Catholicism and still continue to secretly practice Jewish things. But I mean, everything that she says, every statement is 100% blatantly false. But according to her, Zionists defend pedophiles and criminals. She says, this is later on in her rant, pedophiles for America are allowed by Israel to flee and receive protection from their state. Israel is not our ally. Israel is not our friend. Israel is our enemy.
So, I mean, it is unbelievably perverse, sick stuff. Oh, and then she brings up, nobody saw my JFK's assassination, which according to her was the most sod-hic job and anyone in America that speaks about Israel, they have to first say, they may kill me for this. I don't know if you knew that, but according to Candace Owens, around America, anyone that ever says anything against Israel, they first have to say they're going to kill me or, and she says, hey, if something unusual happens to her, blame it on the Zionists. This woman needs prayer and their followers need prayer. It would be interesting to see the people that start blasting me on our YouTube channel that we will block if they also spouse interesting nonsense. Or anti-black nonsense, or anti-anybody nonsense.
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Thanks for standing with us. All right, before I try to take a call or two before we bring on my guest, Jeff Meyers, at the bottom of the hour, a little bit more of the horrific rant from Candace Owens. She says that you got to look deeper into these things.
The first Jewish Supreme Court Justice, Louis Brandeis, was a Frankist. What? What? What's her proof? Look it up.
That's what she says. Look it up. So, I asked AI Claude, the bot I subscribe to, I asked AI Claude, where did anyone get the idea that Louis Brandeis was a Frankist? Claude had no idea. Claude had no idea where he even came from. You can ask a question, where did this view come from? Oh, people hold to this, they argue this, they argue this, you know, conspiracy theory here. Claude had no idea.
It was that bizarre. And some of the points that AI presented, the Frankist movement was primarily active in the 18th century, while Brandeis lived in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Oh, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln never met.
What do you know? The Frankists never got to America in the 1900s, etc. Okay. Number two, Brandeis was known for his strong ethical standards and progressive reforms, which seems at odds with what is known about Frankist beliefs and practices, understatement. And there are no reputable historical sources that suggest Brandeis had any connection to Frankism.
The only idea that Claude had was this myth might have originated from anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Now, Brandeis says, quote, every, excuse me, Owen says, every person who speaks about Israel has to basically say a statement like, I don't want to get killed.
Right. So I don't know if you notice that no one in America speaks out against Israel to Jews without first saying, I don't want to get killed. I don't know if you notice that. I've never noticed it.
I've never noticed it in 53 years, but somehow she has noticed that. And if anything happens to her, quote, blame the Zionist, like 1000%, blame the Zionist. And now she's going to give you an easy litmus test, but which you can judge, quote, any commentator, if they don't condemn Israel's alleged defensive pedophiles.
And if they don't acknowledge that Louis Brandeis was a Frankist, then they too are evil psychopathic Zionists. Friends, this is sick stuff. This is dangerously sick stuff.
Where's she getting it from? I don't know. But Rabbi Tovia Singer, counter missionary with whom I have profound differences whose methodologies I categorically reject and who I believe through telling falsehoods is destroying the faith of many and against whom we have video series where we set the record straight and, and demonstrate his distortions and falsehoods. Interestingly, he said something, a friend sent it to me, and it might be true. I tried to research, find out more about Candace Owens husband, her Catholic husband, I was unable to find out more than maybe readily available. I just didn't find it thus far. So I don't know if this is true or not. But it might be suddenly Rabbi Singer says actually agree with.
So listen to what he had to say. Candace Owens was, I think everyone is missing this point about her. I don't know her personally. But there's a big, big thing.
She was the juice. And now all of a sudden, she's like, everyone missed this. And I don't know why.
Now I'm sure I'm not the only person to say this. But here's the real truth. And everyone missed it.
It's like it went by and everyone ignored it. Right. Her husband, he is from an iteration of Catholicism. They reject the Second Vatican Council.
That's very important. But what really happened there, I saw this coming. Her husband belongs to a version of Catholicism with they hold that the real last pope is Pius XII. Hitler's pope. So therefore, I don't know her. But I do remember this years ago, she used to be a Protestant. She was reformed the theology Protestant, kind of like a Calvinist. And I remember when she had her first baby, she had a necklace, gold necklace on and said, Ima.
You watch. And I actually commented, I said, look how nice the necklace is. It says Ima, when she had her first baby. But at that time, she didn't have the same religion as her husband. Her husband is from the Roman Catholicism that rejects this pope. They hold that this pope is an apostate. So this iteration of Catholicism is very anti-Semitic. The obvious thing, my brother, she conversed her husband's Catholicism and she suddenly expressed all these very unflattering letters.
It became a conservative overnight, you know. Right. So Ima, that's Hebrew for mother. So to be right out there certainly is a very anti-Semitic brand of extreme Catholicism.
There are anti-Semitic expressions and other parts of Christian expression. But certainly in this, I just don't know the connection with Candace Owens in that if he's right about, but it would certainly make sense if true. All right.
So pray for her, pray for her awakening and her repentance, and if it's affected her husband as well for his awakening and repentance. I think I got time for a quick call. Let us go over to Dayton, Ohio. Charles, welcome to the line of fire. Oh, thank you. I'm glad that I heard you today. I didn't, I don't listen to Candace Owens very much.
I can't remember the last time. She, I've never heard her preach the gospel or, you know, to declare the gospel. And so I didn't know that she even claimed to be a Christian, but I don't listen to her that much. But I think she just, she just hurt a lot of her following, I would think, by talking a lot ridiculous like that. And on the one hand, for sure, there'll be some who'll be repulsed because of the good things she had said, and they followed her for the good things. Now they'll be repulsed. Others will be poisoned. That's the tragic thing. That's the tragic thing. Others will be into this and be poisoned.
And that's why it's more grievous. If it's just one person, I'm not going to discuss it on the air, but there's one person with a fairly good social media following and influence, then when it gets this sick, this ugly, and I've had no access to her, sought to connect to her privately without success. So this stuff needs to be called out because it's really ugly and destructive. Yeah.
Well, like I said, I'm glad you mentioned it. I just don't listen to her that much because I've never heard her, you know, teach the Bible or preach the gospel or talk about Jesus. She's not, she hasn't been online as a gospel preacher anyway.
That hasn't been her purpose or her persona, even if she had held to certain Christian views or values. Hey, we've just got a minute. Anything you wanted to ask me? Yeah. I wanted to ask, are there any Christian groups that are active in supporting Israel right now on the ground over there? Oh yeah, many. Absolutely. Quite a few.
Yeah. If you want to find out firsthand, the colleague that I work with, one of my best friends for decades, Scott folk leads together for Israel. So together for Israel.org together for Israel.org. They are constantly doing humanitarian work on the ground. There are many, there are many Christian organizations. Scott's a Jewish believer in Jesus, but he's working with Christians around the world to stand with Israel in loving and helpful ways and to stand with others in the land and need it's not exclusively for Jewish people there. So if you want to pour funds in, if you want to be involved in practical ways, again, there are many Christian organizations, thankfully helping on the ground and some so you can help within Gaza as possible together for Israel.org. They're the ones that organize our tourists when we go over to Israel, but they're great folks. And, and they, they really have a system where they can turn a hundred percent of your money around and turn it right back into help, humanitarian compassion, help within Israel together for Israel.org.
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Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Welcome friends to the line of fire. I'm always smiling because I'm blessed to be on the air with you, but I'm also smiling with, you know, every day except for Thursday, we go right from the announcer into me talking. And then Thursday, we have some Jewish or Israeli music that plays. And some of the times, like twice so far, two out of two, I start talking as the music's coming and my guys look through the window at me.
But you don't hear it because they don't turn my mic on until the music starts to fade and I start to speak. And anyway, we're trying to get our guest Jeff Myers on the phone. Not sure what's up.
We can't get to him at the moment. We'll keep trying. I saw this article during one of the breaks on the show, and this is so interesting.
This is so interesting. According to this report, number of places I'm looking at on Fox News, Hamas leader Sinwar reportedly wants guarantee of survival as Gaza's ceasefire talks said to be faltering. Negotiations between Israel and Hamas for a ceasefire continue to hit stumbling blocks with the terrorist group's leaders holding out for guarantees of safety, among other demands. So the Israeli outlet Ynet said, an Egyptian official told Ynet, Sinwar emphasizes that the security of his life and well-being must be ensured. Now, isn't this remarkable? He's calling on his people to die for their cause. He knows, he knows that by the attack that he mastermind on Israel on October 7th, he knew out of the gate.
He probably never dreamed it would be that successful. Israel's security failures that day were abysmal and inexcusable, inexcusable. Otherwise, there could have been some bloodshed, but a fraction of what happened and maybe very few, if any, hostages. But abysmal security failures on Israel's side. Hamas, with its murderous rage and with many of the Palestinian citizens working with them and even raiding and attacking together with them, produced the worst bloodshed in Jewish history since the Holocaust. And then Sinwar has been quoted earlier as saying that it doesn't matter if 100,000, 200,000 Palestinians have to die in order to see some of their goals realized, so be it. Sinwar, according to this, is saying, whatever negotiations there are, I have to be safe.
What happened to martyrdom for the cause? In any case, we've got Jeff on the line. President of Summit Ministries, Colorado-based nonprofit organization that equips and supports the rising generation to embrace God's truth and champion a biblical worldview.
He holds a PhD from University of Denver. And this book, Should Christians Support Israel? Seeking a Biblical Worldview in an Impossible Situation, is the kind of book that you want to give to friends in church that are questioning it, ask your pastor to take a look at, and especially your teenager, your college-age kid or colleague who's asking about it. It's written with understanding. It's written without an angry response.
It's written without an angry edge to it. Say, hey, let's talk about this on the ground. So I'm so pleased to bring Dr. Maros onto the air with us. Jeff, thanks so much for joining us. Michael, it's great to be with you. I appreciate all the work that you've done on this topic.
Oh, my joy over the years. So first, tell me about the young people that you're getting to. Who are you speaking to equipping on a regular basis? I'm primarily working, Michael, with those in Gen Z. Some of them are of voting age, 18 to 24 years of age. Some of them are down to age 12. But that's the particular generation that I'm working with right now. And the reason it's important is because this has been an indoctrinated generation. They have become radicalized based on some of the things that you've spoken of, the oppressor versus oppressed mindset, the idea that everything in life can be viewed through a lens of power and that it's all very simple and that history is going to advance through conflict.
And so we should endorse what Hamas has done to the Israelis. Sixty percent of young people today believe that. And that's what led me to address this particular topic. And it's true with the evangelical young people as well. Most of the students who come to some of the ministries are Christians or say that they're Christians.
But evangelical support for Israel has dropped in half within the last five years. And I think we're getting to an understanding of why that is and how to rescue them from the indoctrination. Yeah, it's so critically important. We have to understand their thought process, what's influenced them, how they've been influenced and respond to them in such a way that will give them substantive answers that they can chew on and say, OK, you're right.
I embrace that. So in your book, you start off first chapter Gates of Gaza, chapter two, Israel in wartime, a firsthand accounts. Is this your firsthand account?
It is, yes. So I've been to Israel before, but this particular trip was during the war, about 100 days after the October 7th terrorist attacks is the first opportunity I had to be able to get there. And it's not easy in a time of war to to get into Israel. The place is empty.
There are no pilgrims. The streets of Jerusalem are empty, which is a bizarre feeling when you're there, because usually it's packed with people who are are there to see all of the sites from scripture. But that particular trip led me down to the Gaza envelope to spend time with people who are in the IDF, an intelligence officer, people on the left, people on the right, people who are secular Jews, religious Jews, Jews, Arabs, Palestinians to try to figure out what is going on that's not being reported in the news that I could bring back and share with those in this rising generation. Yeah, so you have another chapter that right after this, the Israel that you don't know about, the real Israel. What's the Israel that people don't know about?
I mean, we've got constant news reports. We've got footage from Israel. We see what's happening in Gaza. What is it about Israel, the people, the nation that most of the West, especially a lot of young people, don't know?
Well, I started with a lot of the things that young adults will say. Israel doesn't exist legitimately. It wasn't formed until 1948. And you go down the line, well, Jews don't deserve their own state. God doesn't work through the Jews anymore.
He abandoned them and chose Christians instead. And the more I looked into any one of those questions, even questions like this is what's happening in Gaza, I realized we don't have that. And people are not getting the right information on this, for instance, just, well, Israel is not legitimate because it wasn't formed until 1948. None of the nations in that region were formed until the mid 1940s, Lebanon in 1943, Syria, 1944, Jordan, 1945, Egypt in 1946, 1947. The question is, why didn't the Palestinians form a state at that same time? Because they were invited to do so and given the land, the area of the country called traditionally called Judea and Samaria, which is, you know, you know, from your visits there, that is the prosperous, fertile part of the land. And the answer is because the Palestinian leadership did not want to form its own nation. They wanted the Jews to not be able to form theirs. And so from 1948, they were invited to form a nation, 1967, 2000, 2008.
They refused every time. And you realize, you know, when I first heard Dennis Prager talk about this and say one side in this, they want the other side to be dead. And that is the summary of the issue.
When I first started to say that, I thought, oh, come on, nothing is really that simple. But it is quite literally the case that Israel is surrounded by enemies on all sides of the world. And so all sides fighting on seven or eight different fronts, depending on how you count it. And this Hamas group is a game changer.
It's a paradigm shift. This is not your parents Israel, Palestine conflict. And we need to understand what's really happening.
Yeah. And what's remarkable is while support for Hamas has reportedly waned in Gaza because the people see the horrible destruction that Hamas leadership brought on them and how cowardly they are living richly in other countries, et cetera. But what's remarkable and tragic is that in Judea Samara, the so-called West Bank, that the Palestinians there are even more supportive of Hamas and more excited about what Hamas is doing and justifying it. So it's mind boggling.
And again, it's frustrating sometimes when we respond with facts and people have just heard fiction, but we have to keep putting the facts out. What about the chapter Israel According to the Bible? Obviously, this is going to matter to believers more than non-believers. What do you cover there? Well, I'm trying to help Christians understand the Jewish roots of their faith.
I can't tell you. Well, the reason I needed to write the book is because so many people said to me, oh, don't you know that God divorced the Jews? God has nothing to do with the Jews anymore.
It's only Christians. As if somehow Jesus died as a Jew and rose again as a Christian, and it's magical. And now the Jews are irrelevant to what God is doing in the world. So I take people back to the idea that is presented in scripture, the narrative of scripture, which is God's covenant. You begin with the covenant with Abraham, for example.
You know, and I'm sure you've explained this to your listeners many times, but a lot of people don't know this. A covenant is much more than a contract. A covenant is something you seal with your life. And quite literally, Abraham was prepared to do that. He divided the animals, sacrificed them, and he was to walk. Both parties to the covenant were to walk through the middle and say, in essence, if I break this covenant, may what was done to these animals be done to me?
And then when God came, he put Abraham into a deep sleep, and God alone walked through the pieces. So we call it the Abrahamic covenant. But technically, it's God making a covenant with himself on behalf of Abraham. So Abraham could not break the covenant because it is God's covenant with himself. And then when you look at the idea of covenant all through scripture, Michael, it's always rooted in the land. It is the covenant with the people in the land, with the people in the land. You cannot separate that particular piece of real estate on the planet from what God was doing. And then, of course, as Christians, you know, I use Galatians chapter 3 quite often, that we, those who believe in Jesus, are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith, and that blessing is those that we will be a blessing to the nations of the earth. So we get grafted into it, and I find it very frustrating how many Christians focus less on the awesomeness of being grafted in and more on their resentment about Jews and trying to make sure that everybody thinks they've been grafted out. Yeah, I mean, so, so well put. Friends, we'll be right back with more from Jeff Myers, the name spelled M-Y-E-R-S. You want a simple book, clear book, factual book, reasoned book that you can give to others to explain your position or help educate yourself?
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Get on the Line of Fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Just a few hours ago, I don't know why I thought to post this, I mean it's so obvious and I've said it endlessly, but just posted a friendly reminder on X and on Facebook, Jesus was a rabbi not a reverend. He was a Jew not a Christian.
His name was Yeshua and his mother's name was Miriam. He was called Christ because it was the Greek way of saying Messiah. He's the Savior of the world because he is Israel's Messiah.
This is the basics but often basics that are largely forgotten. You know during the days of Nazi Germany they had Aryan theologians who wrote whole books denying that Jesus was Jewish. So this resentment, this anger is quite extraordinary when the blessings of salvation have come to the world through the Jewish Messiah. I'm speaking with Jeff Myers, his book, Should Christians Support Israel?
Seeking a Biblical Worldview in an Impossible and Possible Situation. Chapter 5 in your book is about generation indoctrination. We've talked about this of course on the air, you've referenced some of the things that I've written about as well but when you're dealing with Gen Z, what are their main sources of information? How are they being so negatively impacted and influenced about Israel and the current war with Hamas right now?
Michael, before I dive into that, I forgot to mention this in the first segment but I want to give a copy of this book to everybody who's listening. All you have to do is go to summit.org slash Israel. So if the things we're talking about right now are compelling to you, you know young adults who've been indoctrinated, please just go to summit.org slash Israel and you can get a copy of the book.
But how did they get to this place and what are their sources of information? Well, most young adults have used social media, not Facebook. I don't know any young adults who use Facebook but they're using Instagram and TikTok primarily and then they're talking to their friends. But here's the issue, I think you know there's sort of a category of things that young adults have, the untalkable things, the things you're not supposed to even address and the goal of the progressive left is to get more and more things in that category. So if you say I'm pro-life then people say well you can't say that you're a Nazi or you know I think Israel has a legitimate right to exist. Oh you can't say that you're a fascist or you know I think we should have unity between the races.
Oh you can't say that you're a racist. So this category of victimhood that of victimhood that young adults embrace make it virtually impossible for young adults who don't believe the pro-Hamas lie to address it. That's why it's so important to learn how to ask good questions. What do you mean by that? How did you arrive at that conclusion? How do you know that's true? What's your source of information? You know even talking about the talk, listen if we talk about Israel and Palestine it could get heated.
Are you okay with that? I mean do we have the kind of friendship where we can respectfully listen to one another even if we end up disagreeing? Those sorts of things set the preconditions for any kind of a discussion and what we're finding Michael is strange but I've done nine hour-long Q&A sessions this summer with about a thousand students. I let them ask all of their hard questions about Israel and weirdly letting making them feel safe to ask all of the hard questions actually persuades them to move away from this anti-Israel stance. So you do find that their thought processes are still working when presented with right information?
They are. I don't think there's any, this may be the one piece of good news in this is that young adults tend to respond to the facts. This is why I wrote it in a book. It's only 120 pages.
You can read it in two hours but it has 200 pieces of documentation. I'll just give you a quick example. At the end of March we did a poll with Scott Rasmussen, the respected pollster. We oversampled Gen Z so we have the we have definitive results about what Gen Z thinks about Israel and Hamas and just war and things like that. We asked them do you think that Israel's greater military strength and wealth makes its cause against Hamas unjust? And 47 percent of young adults said yes Israel is unjust. So for those who answered yes we asked the follow-up question.
Do you think the fact that all of the Hamas leaders have become millionaires and billionaires by skimming off of international aid designated for destitute Gazans makes their cause unjust? 57 percent of them said yes and 24 percent said not sure. In other words more than half of them changed their mind with the presentation of one simple fact. That led me to believe that if you can get the facts to people they will back away from the indoctrination and the radicalism like what we have been seeing outside of the Democratic National Convention in the last few days. So I think we have to distinguish between the protester on the street who's committed enough to be out there yelling and screaming and carrying a Hamas flag or wearing a kafir or something like that and denouncing Israel and accusing Israel of genocide.
When you try to talk to them and ask them questions they won't even talk to you. That's that's not your average person. Your average person is not that radicalized and that militant. One of the strengths of Gen Z is empathy. One of the strengths of Gen Z is siding with the underdog, siding with the outsider. So in their mind the bad people, the Israelis and the people who've been hurt and marginalized are the Palestinians especially the Gazans. So their empathy it's a good thing it's just misplaced in terms of how it comes down based on misinformation. Of course they should care about the suffering of the people in Gaza absolutely but when they realize it's because of Hamas that if they're for Hamas Israel would be dwelling peacefully with the people in Gaza and they can be economically prosperous and simply say hey tell you what let's make a little deal if you stop trying to kill us we'll be your friend that's that's really what it comes out of you if you you know let's sit down and have a meeting of the minds what would you like well i want to kill you okay put that down yeah and we can try to work this thing out um you do those you don't pull punches when it comes to hamas again friends extraordinary offer from jeff and his team go to summit.org to get your copy of should christians support israel but chapter eight last question i want to ask you hamas inside an apocalyptic rape and death cult so you're speaking in measured terms you're documenting things you're not trying to be sensationalistic and yet you have a chapter titled hamas inside an apocalyptic rape and death cult please flesh that out for us well apocalyptic refers to an end times philosophy and hamas is supported by iran they are not shiite muslims but will believe the 99 percent of them are sunni muslims in in gaza but they are supported by iran and iran the shiite group the leaders there they believe that there will come a 12th imam muhammad almadi the direct descendant of muhammad who will take over the world and rule it as an islamic caliphate the only thing stopping it from happening is the existence of the state of israel that is like the muhammad almadi is not going to return until you take care of this one thing that's iran's approach that's why they fund people on you know even people who would be in a religious civil war with one another if they weren't against israel iran funds them all so hamas has developed this philosophy they have indoctrinated their people through decades of anti-Jewish education they take literally the the comment that muhammad made in the quran which is to slaughter jews wherever you find them and they they they make children they raise children to glory in the day where they might be allowed to kill a jew and so once they they develop that idea then how do they put it into practice they don't develop a regular army they have they have told their people whatever you do to kill the jews or bring about the annihilation of israel is legitimate self-defense okay this is called the islamic resistance movement that's what hamas is that's it's an acronym from arabic for islamic resistance movement so when people chant glory to the resistance they aren't just saying we think the palestinians are beleaguered and israel's a bully they're saying we embrace hamas's strategy for dealing with this why do i say it's a rape cult because uh many of the terrorists who came into israel and southern israel and i i hesitate to talk about this on the air they came in uh with the intention of using uh sexual humiliation in order to subdue their enemy and i put i give more details in the book if people are triggered by descriptions of sexual assault you want to skip that part of the book but but i needed to present the facts because this was intentional the evidence now documents this even the united nations has reviewed the report on it and said this represents the truth this is what hamas is doing yeah and and i i saw as i'm sure you did the 47 minutes of footage put together by the idf and you see some of the evidence of what they're targeting and doing and then went to the site of the nova music festival back in june i was there and then another lot where they have all these cars stacked up just all the cars that were burnt demolished and others that are bullet written and you see the horror of it and and again before some of the outcry the terrorists were posting this on social media celebrating celebrating the the great triumph over the evil israelis so friends we pray for the salvation of of all in the middle east we we pray for god's grace to be with all but we call evil evil and we recognize that israel is seeking to eradicate the evil of hamas and to do so is ultimately to help the palestinians not hurt them the book by jeff myers should christians support israel seeking a biblical worldview in an impossible situation and you can get your copy at summit.org jeff keep up the great work especially with gen z we need it god bless you thank you michael
