Did God Sovereignly Raise Up Donald Trump? And an Interview with Jeremiah Johnson

President Donald Trump. Can you believe it? It's time for the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and president of Fire School of Ministry.

Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. It is a political earthquake that really almost no one saw coming.

I say shock. Uh you know, it it you you go with The posters the data. And it was just wrong. They talked to the wrong people. The other people voted that they weren't expecting.

Living inside this Beltway bubble, I've got to tell you, I was stunned, absolutely stunned. And what little sleep I got was rather fitful as a result. Where did it come from? I pledge to every citizen of our land. that I will be president for all Americans.

And this is so important to me. Welcome, welcome to the line of fire on this historic day. People speaking of a revolution, saying this is surreal, this is unreal, saying in the media, I can't believe it, saying this is the greatest political upset in history, saying that Donald Trump is the first man ever who either had no political experience or served in the military to be the president of the United States. The polls were wrong. The mainstream media shocked.

Even some Trump supporters shocked. The political establishment shocked. How did that happen? What are the spiritual Implications of all this. We'll cover today on the line of fire.

Michael Brown, delighted to be with you. I don't plan on taking calls for a little while, so. sit tight. I want to weigh in as best as I can. I want to give my own perspective, share just a bit of my own history in this in terms of where my views have been over the last, what, 15 months or so.

And a word to all of those who are celebrating a Donald Trump victory. I voted for him, but in the fear of the Lord, I did vote for him. I wanted to see him win last night. I was emotionally preparing for a Hillary Clinton win and thinking what that would mean spiritually and what my responsibilities would be and what I would be sharing with the church. But I really didn't know what was coming.

I didn't know the whole time in the back of my head. I've been wondering: is there a divine purpose? Has God raised Donald Trump up for a divine purpose? Is it a good purpose? Is it a bad purpose?

I've wondered about that for months. When I was endorsing Senator Cruz and very critical of Donald Trump during the Republican primaries, I prayed. I asked God, am I missing something? I said publicly, perhaps my job is to give warnings and cautions, and others is to say that God's raising up Donald Trump. We put that out there.

So I've wondered. The whole time. But I wrote this last night as it looked like he was going to win, and then I waited for confirmation from a few different major news outlets before I sent it out. But it is an article that is going viral already. Donald Trump.

President of the United States by the sovereign intervention of God. I believe that. I firmly believe that. I'm going to explain why on the other side of the break, why I believe that the only logical, rational explanation for Donald Trump's presidency is the sovereign intervention of God. I understand the populism.

I understand the national frustration. I understand the frustration with the elites. I understand the frustration of we don't like the way America is going and on and on. But I believe there was too much against him for him to get in without specific divine intervention as opposed to God just saying to America, you vote and you get what you deserve. I believe something more is going on.

And all the more reason then do we need to pray for President-elect Trump. But to all those Trump supporters who are celebrating, celebrate. Yes, yes, but don't go. And don't mock those who are hurting and down today. Treat others the way you would want to be treated.

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Michael Brown. And which Republican candidate has the best chance of winning the general election? Of the declared ones right now, Donald Trump. That was Ann Coulter on Bill Maher eighteen months ago. Yeah, unreal.

unreal, isn't it? Um I remember When I had endorsed Senator Cruz and wanted to see him elected, but also felt it would have to be by God's sovereign intervention for him to get in because he's so strongly conservative. I was talking to Nancy one day, and she was not a fan of Donald Trump for sure. She had real concerns. And she said to me, I just got that feeling that Donald Trump's going to win.

I don't know, it was early on, and I think she liked Marco Rubio at that point more than Senator Cruz. Anyway, I remember her saying that to me. She reminded me a few days ago. Remember, I told you that, just have that feeling, you know, she'd get over those years. I just think he's going to win.

But I really didn't know. I didn't have a sense. In fact, the polls indicated months back that he would be the least likely candidate that could defeat Hillary Clinton among the Republicans, among the Republican frontrunners. And yet, here he was, the one to defeat her.

Now, she may end up with a slight lead in the popular vote versus the Electoral College, but that at first that's happened, I think, four times before. But bear in mind that if it was a pure popular vote issue, then the the candidates would campaign differently. In other words, Donald Trump wouldn't say, okay, we got to put more time into this because we can flip this state and win it. You'd spend more time in New York and more time in California because of the population bases, even though you won't win the state, try to get more people.

So that's really secondary, and I don't know how much people are talking about that today. I'm sure if you lost, you'd feel bad. If Donald Trump had the popular vote, lost the Electoral College, I'd probably be saying, well, there's something wrong with the system, like others.

So I understand people saying that today. But let me give you a spiritual perspective. I think we understand a lot of the natural perspectives. And by the way, yes, this was a vote against Hillary Clinton, but not because she was a woman. And yes, this was partly a vote against Barack Obama, but not because he's black.

I I have no doubt whatsoever. if there was a radical, liberal, male Democrat that was running instead. Be it Bernie Saunders or someone like Tim Kaine, is not as radical, not as socialist like Bernie Sanders. And we had a strong female Republican candidate. The Republicans would have gathered around her.

The conservatives would have gathered around her. I also feel absolutely confident that if it was Dr. Ben Carson who ended up with the Republican nomination, and it was Ben Carson against Hillary Clinton, that there would have been an overwhelming turnout for Ben Carson.

So, yeah, I'm sure there are some people who are racist and sexist. I'm sure that exists. But that was not what determined this vote. And if you say, yeah, but just look at it demographically, it was angry white males that were the largest single vote, you know, what that's what put it over. You might just say that they are a large demographic in America and just were more mobilized to vote this time because they're upset with the way the nation was going.

To turn it into sexist and racist to me is only further. Further dividing the nation, and it's what we've had for years.

Now, that being said, That being said, there's no question That much of the Trump campaign was not nuanced, and much of the Trump campaign had slogans or words or things in it that could be scary and that could be divisive. And now, look, when the media is flipping out over this, and what do I tell my kids? And I'm leaving the country, and you know, people flipping out, on the one hand, On the one hand, candidate Trump did say things that were volatile and that were unwise. Part of his wrecking ball personality, for better or worse. On the other hand, On the other hand, the media now fans that into frenzy.

And gets all worked up about things. And now they're, oh, what are we going to do?

Well, you created some of this firestorm yourself.

Now, I want to get to this divine intervention subject in a moment. If you don't have time to listen to the broadcast, if you're just in the car for a minute and stepping out or got to run to an appointment, read my article on this very subject: Donald Trump, President of the United States, by the sovereign intervention of God. Just go to thelineoffire.org. Go to my radio website, thelineoffire.org, and you can read it there. And I'm going to fill in more details there as well.

But I want you to hear some of the things that are. Being said. Oh, tell you what. Let me give you one of the most volatile. We'll start right here.

Grab number 10. This is Al Sharpton on Morning Joe. This is the type of commentary that has been going on through the years under President Obama that has deepened, deepened racial divisions in America. By the way, I'm blaming the people who've said certain things for what they've said. I'm not putting this all at President Obama's feet, nor am I saying that we would be a wonderfully united nation without President Obama.

We're certainly not going to be a wonderfully united nation under Donald Trump. It's going to take divine intervention and a miracle to unite our nation. We understand that. But there are things that, and there are issues that need to be addressed. There are racial injustices that need to be addressed and other injustices that need to be addressed in America.

And I will continue to be a voice for those issues. But it's comments like these that further inflame. Further insight and further play into the class warfare and color warfare, listen to what Al Sharpton had to say. I think that we are in a real moment like Nixon. I mean, if you look at the backlash after the great society and of a lot of the unrest, that is what defeated Hubert Humphrey and brought in Richard Nixon.

I was a kid. I remember like it was yesterday. He had assassinations of Kennedy King, that kind of unrest. People go for extreme measures to respond. Trump played to that, and I said that.

He did all of the dog whistles. This is not Bernie Sanders' populism. This is George Wallace's populism that he's doing. And I think that many people have got to call it the way it is.

Now the question is, how will he govern? But he cannot say he did not run a campaign that has created a lot of racial fears and a lot of divisiveness. And he played to the crowd and he knew what he was playing for. For sure. I know him here in New York.

He knew exactly what he was doing. He was playing to the worst elements. Yeah, that's the way Al Sharfton sees it and then further inflames it. For sure, Donald Trump said things that were troubling. But the way he was being portrayed and the way he was being represented added to it and worsened it and made him out to be saying things that he was not saying.

And now, to compare him to George Wallace, Al Sharpton knows exactly what he's doing. He says Donald Trump knows what he's doing. Al Sharpton knows exactly what he's doing. Let us see how Donald Trump goes forward. When he gave his acceptance speech last night, he seemed genuinely humbled, did he not?

He seemed humbled by the moment and humbled by the responsibility that was put on him. I don't mean he's suddenly become a humble man, but I mean he seemed humbled by that. And obviously, your first question is: is he going to be presidential? Is he going to be presidential?

Okay. Step one, he was. Is he going to be tomorrow? I don't know. Maybe the gravity of the moment will seize him.

Maybe the people around him will help him. But let us see what he does. But these comments for Al Sharpton to me are nothing better than race baiting. Here's a similar comment. We'll go to Van Jones.

This is on CNN last night. Clip number nine. Van Jones, well-known political commentator and a radical leftist himself and much of his ideology and the things that he's been involved with over the years, and often very fair in his comments as well, but he can be quite radical as well. Let's listen to him. Clip number nine.

This was a white lash against a changing country. It was a white lash against a black president in part. And that's the part. where the pain comes. This was not a backlash against a black president.

In fact, President Obama's overall popularity ratings were decently strong at the end. And according to Chris Wallace, when they're that strong, you normally will see that the person now running in your party, so in this case Hillary Clinton, will win. This was not a backlash against a black president. If someone's bills are higher under the Health Care Act of the President, They're not thinking he's black. They're thinking, man, I don't like this plan.

We got to get somebody else in office. If they don't like the way America is perceived around the world, or that we seem weak, or that we're not doing enough against radical Islam, or that special interest groups are getting their way, or that radical activists in different ways are setting the direction of America, or you're upset with the media elites and the control that they seem to have over the news. You're not thinking, well, it's because the president's black. No, you're not thinking that. These are race-baiting comments.

They are. And what's interesting. I talk to a ton of people, a ton of people. Strong conservatives. They all wish they could have voted for the first black president because they would have considered it an honor.

They just couldn't vote for Obama. and wanting to see someone replaced not in his vein has nothing to do with skin color. God of light, hear our cry, send the fire. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. People have talked about a miracle. I'm hearing about a nightmare. It's hard to be a parent tonight for a lot of us.

You tell your kids. Don't be a bully. You tell your kids. Don't be a bigot. You tell your kids, do your homework.

And be prepared. And then you have this outcome and you have people putting children to bed tonight. And they're afraid of breakfast. They're afraid of how do I explain this to my children?

Well, the question, Mr. Jones, Van Jones, is what were you telling your children? Children probably weren't savvy on all the latest political developments on their own. What were you telling them? And what was the media?

Telling them. Yes, Donald Trump's made enough mistakes to sink a ship through the campaign. Yes, Donald Trump has not been careful in his comments. Yes, Donald Trump at times has appealed to base fears and anger and things like that. But the people coming to his rallies are not just people who are mean-spirited, angry white supremacists.

And all the KKK talk and all this nonsense. That's why the kids, one reason, the kids are so upset. Huffington Post headline Nightmare Well, if that's your immediate exposure, you're going to be crying as a kid. And if you demonize a certain person, you're going to be crying as a kid. And yeah, we could have done that to a certain extent with Hillary Clinton getting it.

And what are people going to say, you know, conservatives going to say, and how are they going to respond? You know, you say that Donald Trump is in league with Vladimir Putin and with the KKK and all this kind of stuff, and that he's a racist, and that he's a bigot, and that he's a homophobe, and he's a xenophobe, and on and on. And yeah, people are going to get worried.

Now, are there things he said? That Played into that? Yes, but there's this exaggerated, distorted picture the media has put forward.

So, one more clip, and then I want to tell you why I believe there was supernatural divine intervention. Listen to Cokie Roberts speaking on ABC News. Let's get her take on part of the reason Donald Trump won. There probably is a strong sentiment about not having a woman president. And that is something that we've never had a woman president.

And we've talked about excitement among women to have a woman president. But there's always in these situations at least equal amounts of hostility to that kind of change. And the fact that we've you know that we're seeing this particularly among non-college educated white men is not surprising. And I think some of it has to be attributed to the fact that Trump is running against a woman. How about Trump is running against a woman who is seen as corrupt?

And dishonest by a large percentage of the population. How about the fact that Trump is running against a woman who is part of a political dynasty and powerful political machine that many Americans resent? How about the fact that Jeb Bush, who was expected to be the Republican candidate running against Hillary Clinton, didn't get anywhere? And one reason was he was perceived too much as a political insider and part of a political dynasty himself. Certainly was not because he was a man or white.

No. No, no, no. Hmm. Let me explain why I see unusual divine intervention in this election. All right, one.

the the massive baggage of his past. Including the release of a vulgar video with his tremendously offensive sexual comments, along with numerous women accusing him of sexual assault, even if they're all. Lying, the fact they came forward. The New York Times even reported this.

Now, the New York Times is asking: can the media recover from this election? Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe not the secular mainstream media. What, New Yorker magazine?

They had the covers printed, the magazines out with an angry Donald Trump saying loser. That's how sure they were. And Newsweek had a cover out, you know, with Madame President. They said, no, they had an alternate one with Donald Trump. But someone in the store said, hey, we got these in advance, and it was just hers.

Anyway.

So, another thing: the campaign errors that he made, and the bad campaign strategy, the lack of strategy in different ways, the lack of ground game. Enough misstatements, inappropriate remarks to sink several candidates. A very strong Republican field. That he was against, including governors like Bush, Christie, Kasich, Huckabee, and Walker, senators like Cruz, Rubio, Santorum, outsiders like Carson and Fiorina. And he was also against the massive power of the Clinton political machine.

And he was against the overwhelming collusion of the mainstream media.

So I I see this clearly. It has to be God. There's President Donald Trump, come on, the way Ann Coulter was laughed at. I was saying that he was the most likely candidate to win 18 months ago. Everybody was laughing at it until yesterday.

Not everybody, but many. George Barna has a a strong list. Of reasons why he was unlikely to be elected. Foreign leaders mocked him as unworthy of leading the country. National polls consistently showed him losing the race.

Political analysts and pundits almost universally agreed he was incapable of winning. Two out of three Americans believed he's unqualified to serve as president. His favorability score was the lowest of any presidential candidate since Poland began. He was abandoned by the Republican establishment. He was not only mistreated by the media, he made a strategy of calling them out for their lies and bias.

He was outspent by an estimated 2 to 1 ratio. He lacked any political experience, and on and on. And then, look, you can't get away from this. I do believe that God gives words and insights and dreams to this day. We have the Bible that is God's word.

I believe the Holy Spirit in different ways continues to speak and communicate in a way that is not God's word, but He gives us insight and speaks. And there was a young pastor, 27 years old, about at the time, and he gets a word last July in prayer that God is going to use Donald Trump as a trumpet. And, quote, Trump shall become my trumpet to the American people, for he possesses qualities that are even hard to find in my people these days. Trump does not fear a man, nor will he allow deception and lies to go unnoticed. I'm going to use him to expose darkness and perversion in America like never before, but you must understand that he is like a bull in a china closet.

Many will want to throw him away because he will disturb their sense of peace and tranquility, but you must listen through the bantering to discover the truth that I'll speak through him. I will use the wealth that I've given to expose and launch investigations searching for the truth. Just as I raised up Cyrus to fulfill my purposes and plans, so he was a pagan king God raised up to bless Israel, so have I raised up Trump to fulfill my purposes and plans prior to the 2016 election.

Now, Jeremiah Johnson, this young pastor who spoke this last year, never said that Trump would be the president. Simply, this was the insight that he got. And then Lance Wall now, Christian speaker, leadership culture, often thinks outside the box. He was at a meeting with Trump, and he said he felt God said to him, read from Isaiah 45. And he thought, what's Isaiah 45?

And he begins to read it, and it's about Cyrus. God's using him. Even though he doesn't know the Lord, God's using him. He reads this to Trump. And he hears in his spirit Trump's going to be the 45th president of the United States.

Lance didn't know it was guaranteed, but thought this is something that God's desiring to do. What?

So even when, and there's detail to it, Lance has written a whole book on Donald Trump called God's Chaos Candidate. I had him on the show with me for two whole hours answering critics and those who differed a couple weeks back. This got my attention.

So even when I was critical of Trump and supporting Ted Cruz, I talked about it on the air. I said, I want to get Lance on. I want you to hear this perspective. There could be something to it.

Now we go back and look at those and say. What do you know? Could it be? If so. If in fact Donald Trump's being raised up as a divine wrecking ball, hear me.

then we must pray for divine restraint on him, lest he do much harm while he does good. It's the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34 TRUTH.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. And here's what I read to Mr. Trump. Thus says the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have held to subdue nations.

I will go before you and make crooked places straight. That was the voice of Dr. Lance Walnow referring to. Reading Isaiah 45. He said he didn't know what was in Isaiah 45.

He's meeting with Donald Trump and other Christian leaders earlier this year and felt. God prompting him read from Isaiah 45 to Donald Trump. He didn't know what was in the passage off the top of his head as he begins to read it. He's Cyrus? God raising up Trump like Osiris, a pagan who didn't know.

The Lord? What?

And he said, read those words, even though you do not know me. And he's and he felt Donald Trump's going to be the 45th President of the United States. He said, Haven't we had more presidents than realized?

Okay, you don't count numbers if you're in office for eight years.

So, yeah, 45th president.

Now it has happened. It has happened.

Now we have our assignment to really pray. Because I'm not looking to Donald Trump, I'm looking to the Lord, and I'm only expecting him to do what the president can do. The church must do what it can do. But I want to revisit. This first prophetic word that got a lot of circulation last year.

And I've got on here with me Jeremiah Johnson, the pastor who shared this word in the first place. Jeremiah, welcome to the line of fire. Hello, Doctor Brown. Thank you so much for having me on today. Sure thing.

Jeremiah, do you believe that if God speaks today that... it is in any way equal to the Bible or challenging the authority of the Bible. No, no, I I believe that that anything that God would would speak today would have to be confirmed and Lined up with the Bible.

So I believe that the Lord does speak today through. dreams and visions, I myself have had many of them, but I I believe that those are not extra revelation, if you will, but are confirmed and governed. You know, I I consider myself a a prophetic person, but my life is governed by uh the Bible, by the Word of God, and anything that I think that I might receive from the Lord is going to have to be backed up by the Word of God. And Jeremiah, when did you start having dreams where you felt God was speaking to you through your dreams, in accordance with Acts 2, quoting from Joel 2, that God would speak in the latter days, so from the New Testament days until today, through dreams and visions? When did you start having dreams?

About the the time I was nine years old would be when I could remember having dreams. I my mother had a dream herself when I was in her womb to name me Jeremiah, and the word that the Lord had spoken to her was that I would have dreams. And so around nine years old, I began to have dreams and kind of would wake up and sense that the Lord was speaking to me.

So I just practically began to get a tape recorder and a notepad by my bed and began to write down the things that the Lord began to speak to me at night. And it has been almost nightly now for some years that the Lord comes to me and speaks to me. And have you found these things to be accurate or relevant as opposed to just reflections of what's on your mind when you go to sleep? Yes, I believe there are many things that the Lord has revealed to me that I have made Public that have come to pass, and not any credit to me, but just simply as a messenger of what the Lord has told me. prophet given prophecies about the Middle East and Israel, Egypt, some other events in the body of Christ.

Hurricane Sandy comes to mind, some things that the Lord had showed me.

So they sometimes they come maybe as a personal dream for someone, maybe sometimes for the church here in Lakeland, and then sometimes the Lord will give me dreams about nations or certain leaders. Got it. All right, when we come back, I want Jeremiah to explain what happened last July, so July of 2015, when he received this dream or was praying and had this sense about Donald Trump. and shared it, Donald Trump, the trumpet. Of God?

I mean, I heard it and I wondered, could it be true in the midst of all my concerns about Donald Trump? I thought, could it be true? Ain't the world, oh God of burning, cleansing. Flame. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr.

Michael Brown. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34 TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I continue to believe Mr.

Trump will not be president. And the reason is because I have a lot of faith in the American people. And I think they recognize that Being president is a serious job. It's not Hosting a talk show. Or a reality show.

That's not promotion. It's not marketing. It's hard. Yeah, President Obama spoke what many felt. that Donald Trump is just not fit to be president.

And he had no background to be president. And this is a weighty, weighty responsibility. In many ways, you become the most powerful person in the world. If we said two years ago, yeah, that's going to be Donald Trump right. Our younger daughter, Megan, mentioned to me earlier today That there's an old episode, I don't know how old, on The Simpsons, a show which neither of us watched, but I don't know if you heard about it, where they're talking about someone who's going to come up and clean up the mess left by President Trump.

And they use that, they came up with that to think of like who would be the worst possible person to think of as president. And yet, the American people have spoken and said, that's the man we want to be our president. I'm speaking now with Pastor Jeremiah Johnson from Lakeland, Florida. Jeremiah, when you received this word about Donald Trump last July, what did you know about him?

Well, I actually doctor Brown knew knew very little of him. I told people I had maybe watched about a minute soundbite of him on television one day, but Uh outside of that, I'd never uh seen or heard of him before. I I don't consider myself the follow politics much or or reality T V, so Donald was virtually um unknown to me. Got it. All right, so what happened, and what was the basic word that you received?

So I woke up one morning on July 15th, 2015, and was in a time of prayer and repentance. received uh an open vision uh where I saw Donald Trump and the the Spirit of God began to speak to me uh very clearly and and you know you had mentioned it before, but you know, began to tell me that Donald Trump would become a trumpet uh for to the American people and that he he possessed qualities that that were even hard to find in God's people. And he began to tell me that Trump does not fear man and that he wouldn't allow deception and lies to go unnoticed. that he was going to expose darkness uh in America, that that he but that he would be like a a bull in a a china claws. What I was getting in the vision was that it would would be very hard for people to understand or almost to receive what he was saying.

And the Lord began to continue to speak to me and said many will want to throw him away because he will will disturb their sense of peace. And tranquility, but you must listen through the bantering to discover the truth that I will speak to him. And then the Lord began to speak to me about Cyrus and about how, just as the Lord raised up Cyrus to fulfill his purposes, that he would raise up Trump. to fulfill his purposes prior to the twenty sixteen election.

Now, it was a little while after that that you then posted that on the Christian website. And it immediately went viral.

Now I had known you a little. I'd spoken at your church maybe a little over a year before that. And I saw that you were a very serious young man of God.

So I took this seriously. I thought, okay, this is odd. And I thought I don't see it. But it it registered as a major question mark to me. It went viral.

What kind of responses did you get to to the prophetic word?

Well, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on the way that you look at it, I was basically, I remember that first. Five days that it was out, I remember documenting, I received over 1,000 pieces of hate mail, all from Christians who. had accused me of Either predicting Donald Trump was going to be the president or basically, you know, kind of accusing me of how could God use a man like Donald Trump and how dare you? And so I was. basically bombarded with with hate mail and There's even a few threats that indicated like there's something was going to be done to my life.

And so I was startled just because again, prior, I really didn't even know who Donald Trump was And prophecy doesn't really have anything to do with our opinion. Uh you we just we receive from the Lord and we speak it out uh regardless of what we think.

So I had just received this word through the encounter, uh it was published and then I was bombarded. And it was interesting to me, while the body of Christ uh really came against me, uh all the the cordial and encouraging emails were actually coming from unbelievers. Uh I was reached out to uh by by several um well-known businessmen in America who wanted to congratulate and thank me for putting that word out there and and they thought the same thing.

So I I got a a bad response from the body of Christ.

Some some people from the you know the the um the business world contacted me, but then I remember Glenn Beck read the word on his television show, and I was the laughing stock. I was Hannity and Colms wanted to fly me into New York and interview me. And I literally, over that next several months, I declined every television and radio interview that came my way. Wha why did you decline them? I just, I guess my heart behind it is I never put the word out there for publicity's sake.

I just was trying to be obedient to put out what the Lord had spoken to me during that time. And, you know, the July 15th, he was running against many others.

So it was early on where it was just, it was.

So obscene. I mean, even if you type my name, Jeremiah Johnson, into the World Wide Web, you'll have about 50 sites of false prophets and this and that.

So I just, my heart behind putting that word out wasn't to get on television or radio, and I really didn't feel God telling me to defend the word. I didn't feel like I needed to go on and expound or defend what I believed the Lord had said. I feel like the Lord said that he would vindicate me and the word. All right, so this was early on. It was mocked by many.

Others felt there was something to it. What about at the end of this word? You must listen to the trumpet very closely, for he will sound the alarm, and many will be blessed because of his compassion and mercy. Though many see the outward pride and arrogance, I have given them the tender heart of a father who wants to lend a helping hand to the poor and needy, to the foreigner and the stranger.

Some of us said, Jeremiah, that really sounds genuine, but what do you make of this Foreigner and the Stranger thing? It seems that Trump is against the Foreigner and the Stranger. What's your understanding of that as you look at things?

Well, I I'm still praying. into those last few lines of that prophecy, I obviously am aware, as many others, his stance toward the foreigner and the stranger. But I know even the poor and the needy, Donald, has been recorded, it has come out over the race, how he has been a blessing to some in need. And so I believe part of this prophecy, part of it was a now word, part of it was a confirming, but I believe this last part could be a new something that we're going to see unfold during his presidency. That's the real sense.

That I get that he is going to become a helping hand to the poor and the needy, the foreign, the stranger.

So I think that's something that we're going to see play out over the next few years. Yeah, and the way I would judge things, if parts one through five. Of something I believe the Lord is saying come to pass dramatically, and six and seven seem unlikely. I'll hold on and wait with six and seven. We've got just about a minute and a half, but you had another dream recently about Donald Trump.

What was that? Yeah, I had a dream on 11-516, so November 5th, I received a dream. where a baby with the face of Donald Trump was handed to a mother in a church nursery. And the mother took Donald and began to rock him in the nursery and weep.

So it was a baby, had the face of Donald. I know it sounds a little strange, but that's what I saw. And the mother took Donald into the church nursery and she began to sing and rock over baby Donald. And she began to sing over him in the dream. And she said this phrase four times.

She sang over Donald. You have a crooked way in you. But through the intercession of the church, God will change you. And again, you have a crooked way in you, but through the intercession of the church, God will change you. And I woke up with this sense that God was going to give Donald Trump as a gift to the church.

I believe that he won the election primarily as a gift from God to the church. And God is entrusting Donald Trump to the church that we must be faithful in prayer and intercession to pray for him.

Now is not the time to fall asleep and all these different things and go back on our way.

Now is the time to pray for him. And he does have a crooked way in him. At best, he's a baby Christian, but he needs our prayers. Got it. Jeremiah, loud and clear.

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866-348-7884. If you want to weigh in on anything I've said or my guest has said over the last 50 minutes, the phone lines are now open. 866-348-7884 again. What got my attention with Donald Trump, one, Some of these prophetic words, you say, yeah, well, why do you even listen to these? We know there are no such things as prophecy.

They actually, the New Testament tells us to encourage these things. And it says that we should earnestly seek prophecy, the gift of prophecy, and not forbid speaking in tongues.

So, if something is genuine, we test everything by the word. Prophecies are not universally binding, they are not the word of God. There is only one word of God, the Bible. But God speaks in many ways, He may lead you about a job. Praying, no, I don't feel to do this.

You may feel a certain sovereign calling, but a certain move or serving in a certain ministry. He directs us and leads us in many ways. You may have an internal sense that's from the Holy Spirit. You may get a word that the Lord's calling you, go and serve in this particular country and things like that. Yes, I believe the Holy Spirit continues to speak, and something about these words got my attention.

I thought, could it be that God is using a very unlikely vessel? I mean, we put such an emphasis on character and integrity, and that's not what you'd associate with Donald Trump. And could it be God's using an unlikely vessel? I pray, Lord, am I looking at things through certain spiritual eyes that I'm missing what you're trying to do, that I'm not being spiritual enough? Or I'm being too spiritual.

So I wondered, even while strongly opposing him, And and then when when it was Trump versus Cruz in Indiana, And there was still a possibility of cruise getting in, and it could be close. And Trump won big. Big. I said All right.

Something's up here.

Something's up. And then, for him to beat Hillary Clinton, I felt for months now. The only way he wins is if it's the will of God that he wins. And you say, well, everything is the will of God.

Well, we debate that another time, but let's just say there are times when God's actions are more obvious than others. and I said to myself, The only way he gets in is if it is the sovereign will of God. that God has specifically willed it. And please hear me. If in fact this is true, what I believe and what these prophecies have said.

And already you've seen this with Donald Trump. The media has never looked worse. The mainstream media has never looked worse. Their biases have never been more obvious. And now they lose.

And you've got somebody, Donald Trump, who's I hope he's not vindictive, but I sure hope he does what's right and continues to stay on the offensive about things that need to be exposed and revealed. And just a lot of corruption that's out there and and the the establishment politics and on and on. A lot of that really has come to the surface with the the run of Donald Trump. We shall see what his presidency holds. But to me, We've got to really pray now just as urgently as I would have prayed if Hillary Clinton was elected.

In other words, if in fact there is a certain respite for religious liberty, if in fact there is a specific Time period where we can get positive pro-life and pro-Constitution Supreme Court justices and maybe strengthen our security and improve our immigration process so that we are fair and just maybe help in other ways that are important, issues having to do with family morality and things like that. This is not where we coast. This is where we seize the moment or we pay dearly. in years to come. 866-348-7884.

Let's go to Nancy in Queens, New York. Thanks for calling the line of fire. Hello, Dr. Brown. I could speak for the whole hour that you were on the show, but I'm I'm going to say this, I'm African American.

I was trying to poking on this vote for Donald Trump. But the father spoke to me and said, This man is like Nebuchadnezzar. He said, and if you think about what the last part of that man's prophecy is, it fits. said that he has put people around him That could be the rough equivalent of Daniel, Michelle, Hananiah, and Azariah. I refuse to call any other names.

And yeah. And I I went to the polls with every trepidation because I am African American, but what kept resounding in my heart is. Black lives matter from the womb to the tomb, and everybody's life matters, but African American babies are the ones getting aborted for the most part. And that's God's agenda. And if I follow His agenda, He will help me with mine.

And that's the attitude that I had to take. Yeah, hey, bless you for your integrity in doing it. And look, whatever we make of Donald Trump himself. He got some savvy campaign people around him at the end that mapped out that strategy to win certain states and to do well in other states. He selected Mike Pence, a committed Christian, conservative.

I spoke with a friend of Mike Pence yesterday that called him and said, hey, I just prayed with him. And, you know, he's a godly man from everything I understand. He's talked about having potentially Rudy Giuliani's and Attorney General and things like that, that he could well surround himself with wise people. That's a great insight, Nancy. Even if he himself had more of the characteristics of Nebuchadnezzar, he ended up having wise, godly people around him.

And of course, God humbled Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 4. Let's go to Honolulu, Hawaii. Elijah, welcome to the line of fire. Hello, Doctor Brown. Thank you.

A hang on. My question is Jeremiah Johnson got a Accurate prophecy about Donald Trump, praise God for that. But in the Old Testament, it says if a prophecy gets wrong, you know, we're supposed to murder or not murder, but, you know, put to death. The prophet, how is that standard different in the New Testament? Yeah, a great question, sir, and great coming from someone named Elijah on top of it.

Yes, in short, obviously, there's no death penalty. The question would be: would we excommunicate someone? Would we call them a false prophet? Here's how I understand it: in the Old Testament, the prophet was leading the nation. The prophet was the spokesman between God and man.

The people were not all indwelt with the Holy Spirit. They did not have many people that could also hear from God the same way.

So the prophet could terribly mislead the nation. And it also says in Hebrew if he speaks presumptuously.

So there's also sin in his heart, one way or another, as he's speaking. And he either leads them astray by leading them into idolatry or by speaking falsely. Yes, death penalty. As I see it in the New Testament, because anyone can potentially prophesy. This was the prayer of Moses in Numbers 11.

That Paul writes in 1 Thessalonians 5: Now, don't despise prophecies, test everything, and hold fast to that which is good. At the same time, don't put out the Spirit's fire, don't quench the Spirit. And then in 1 Corinthians 14, two or three prophets speak, and the others then judge.

So I believe in a New Testament setting, sir, and I've got to be real concise because it's right at the end of the hour. I believe. I believe that in a New Testament setting, because everyone can potentially prophesy, and because the outpouring of the Spirit is on young and old and men and women, and in such a broad way, that when a prophecy is spoken, it then has to be tested. And if it is confirmed to be from the Lord, amen. If it is felt not to be from the Lord, it proves not to be, then that person needs to learn from that and grow accordingly.

And if they continue to speak falsely, we say then you're speaking falsely, you need to shut up. And if there's a word that's not accurate, you learn from it and grow. But everything is submitted because it is not the Bible. Therefore, it must be tested. Hey, out of time.

My bottom line today: I believe God has raised up Donald Trump. Let us now pray for him like never before. President Donald Trump. Can you believe it? It's time for the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr.

Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and President of Fire School of Ministry. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH. Here again is Dr.

Michael Brown. It is a political arc that really almost no one saw coming. I say shock. You know, you go with. the pollsters, the data, and it was just wrong.

They asked, they talked to the wrong people, other people voted who they weren't expecting. Living inside this Beltway bubble, I've got to tell you, I was stunned, absolutely stunned, and what little sleep I got was rather fitful as a result. Where did it come from? I pledge. to every citizen of our land.

that I will be president for all Americans. And this is so important to me. Well Donald Trump, in his first speech as president-elect, sounded presidential. And I'll tell you what, for a guy who's seventy years old, And speaking, what, three, four, five times a day towards the end, he looked in pretty good shape. Again, his life, his days are in God's hands.

But It is so important, friends, if you are one of the ones who voted for Donald Trump. Be glad that he got elected, but don't look to him as if he's the savior of America and he's going to fix everything. Pray for him to do. Pray for him to do what he should do as the president, and then pray for the church to do what the church must do. We must not look to him to be the reformer of the nation.

We must look to him to be a wise president and to surround himself with wise leaders and a wise team. And then we must take this moment. If, in fact, there will be Supreme Court justices that will help us and expand or keep our religious liberties. If in fact there are decisions that will be made that will be for the good of the Church of America and therefore for the entire nation. Uh then we can't let up now.

Because our nation is still in a dire situation, terribly divided. And we've got to dive in now, in fact, if we do have a respite. And Donald Trump said this, we will seek common ground, not hostility. Partnership, not conflict. We will get along with all other nations willing to get along with us.

We'll have great relationships. We expect to have great, great relationships. I want to tell the world community that while we'll always put America first, we will deal fairly with everyone, with everyone, all people, all nations. Last night, I was watching on Fox News. Actually, I don't watch much news at all.

In fact, almost all the news I get, I get from reading. That's why I often mispronounce names, to be candid with you. And I haven't watched Fox much in a while because I felt Sean Hanney and others were so rapidly in favor of Trump that it was almost just kind of like an apologetics thing for Trump. I watched the coverage last night. Nancy was in another room watching on CNN.

And it was interesting. And Fox was saying, yeah, you know, it doesn't look like the media has that much power because the media was so against Trump and all of this. And then when John Podesta came out and said, all right, Hillary's not going to address everyone tonight, go home, get some sleep. She'll be back in the morning. And he was upbeat, you know, trying to put a good face on.

And then they're saying, yeah, Donald Trump should do the same. Even if it's announced soon that he wins, you know, it's two, three in the morning. Let everybody get some sleep, get the speech sweeter in the morning, and then come and address the whole nation in the morning. And they're all like, yep, that's what he should do. Yep, that's what he's going to do.

And then he comes out. They said we were wrong again. At that point, I'm sitting there thinking, you're going to be wrong. He's not going to do what you're expecting him to do because that's not how he got here. What a fascinating moment.

And some people are so upset. There was one college professor canceled class. Be the cancelled class. because students were so traumatized, canceled classes to cope with the anxiety and terror of the Trump win. I wonder how much this professor has been feeding the fires of those fears.

Oh God of burning, cleansing flame. Send the fire. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr.

Michael Brown. You know, scripture tells us. Let us not grow weary in doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.

So my friends, let us have faith in each other. Let us not grow weary. Let us not lose heart. For there are more seasons to come, and there is more work to do. That is the voice of Hillary Clinton.

You know that I strongly opposed her. You know that I urged people to vote against her and said: even if you can't vote for Donald Trump, please do not vote for her. for the radical policies that she held to. And that being said, I can't imagine the pain and disappointment she's experiencing today. Number one, because the amount of years that this has been planned for, and this is when it's all going to happen.

It was supposed to happen eight years ago, and then she was upstaged by Barack Obama, then a young senator. But it's not going to be upstaged by Donald Trump, the reality TV star, the narcissist, playboy, racist, bigot, you know, all the stuff coming against him, and some valid, some not. Not him. Last I saw that the major polls gave Hillary about an 80% chance of winning. And she lost.

I mean, sh it was close, but she ultimately lost handily.

Now I d I did a survey. on Twitter, and I I asked my my Twitter followers what they predicted for the for the election. And I had a Trump by landslide, Trump by a close vote. And Hillary by Landslide. Hillary.

by a close vote. And it ended up being the highest prediction was Trump. By a close vote. And that's ultimately what it was. You know, a couple of states could have gone either way.

They were that close, and they went the way of Donald Trump, and that made it. Uh that that made it the uh the overall victory. For him. I tweeted something out right before radio. Yes, the vote was against Hillary, but not because she's a woman.

Yes, it was partly against Obama, but not because he's black. Just saw a black gentleman saying, Is this going to be an article? I literally just said this. We are in sync, sir.

So we stand here today. I shared this in the first hour. I've written about it. I must see the hand of God in this in a sovereign way. There's no legitimate way Donald Trump would be president of the United States.

Too much against him, too much of his own baggage from the past, too many of his own mistakes today, too many things not doing that should have been done, too many things done that shouldn't have been done, too much powerful opposition from the Clinton political machine. Yes, I know. I know she had a tremendous amount of baggage too. But still, Donald Trump defeating Hillary Clinton. That would have been a joke.

In fact, I played this earlier. Let me grab it again. Clip number one: Ann Coulter is on Bill Moore. I'm just going to kind of abruptly jump in here. But listen to this.

This is 18 months ago. Listen to this. And which Republican candidate has the best chance of winning the general election? Of the declared ones right now, Donald Trump. Ah!

Yeah, I mean, that's. That's the reaction. And when Ann Coulter wrote, you know, in Trump We Trust and, you know, her typical bombast and things, I had real issues. With much of what she was saying. And let me say this.

With every candidate be it someone voting for Barack Obama or someone voting for Mitt Romney. be it someone voting for Hillary Clinton or someone voting for Donald Trump. You have people voting for good reasons and people voting for bad reasons. You know what I'm saying? followers and voters who represent the best, and followers and voters who represent the worst.

So I don't doubt at all that there is an unhealthy nationalism. That Donald Trump appealed to. Just like there was an unhealthy vision of America. that Hillary Clinton appealed to. At the same time, I believe there's a healthy nationalism that Donald Trump appealed to, and I'll just focus on him for the moment as our next president.

that a lot of Americans were not happy with the direction of the country. and be it the economy or the economic recovery. be it what had happened with health care costs. be it concerns about immigration, yes, wanting to be fair. And I do hope that we secure our borders.

And I do hope that Donald Trump will be open to look for a better path for citizenship for those that have been here for years and have been law-abiding citizens once they've been in the states, as opposed to you have to leave and come back. I would hope that that would be modified. Yes, there were things that stirred up animosity and hatred that he said, but a lot of what he said appealed to frustrations of everyday working Americans of all color and of all background that just didn't like the direction of the country.

So again, there is a healthy populism and an unhealthy populism. And I feel that even some Christians who supported Donald Trump supported him for wrong reasons. Oh uh it's not. Minimized the obvious concerns and faults, minimize the damage that he could do, minimize the lives that he would hurt to get where he was. minimized his weaknesses and his transgressions and made him into some kind of savior.

I respected those who said, Hey, I see all this clearly, but I believe God's hand is on them. I said that as I was opposing him. If you recognize the problems, that was an issue I had with Jerry Falwell Jr. that please don't make him into St. Donald Trump.

D don't don't don't paint him in this picture. Even if he has helped out people in need behind the scenes and done things, and even if the public persona does not line up with the private person in certain ways, let's not make him into some kind of super saint. Let's recognize the man as a wrecking ball, but one that God could use. That I could respect, that that I'm sympathetic to.

So last night. Nancy uh because I had the room where she was. And of course we were both up, as many Americans were.

Now that's nothing new for us. We stay up late, and many a night I don't go to sleep till four in the morning.

So this was just you know another night for me in that respect, although a very intense one. And I wrote an article about Donald Trump President of the United States by what's the exact title? Donald Trump President of the United States by the sovereign intervention of God. And you can read it by going to thelineoffire.org. It's going viral on a few different websites already.

I don't mean to get a great article. No, no, I just believe that I'm conveying something that a lot of people resonate with.

So. Uh I was writing that, but I was waiting to send it out. It's like, okay, he's going to win, but let's just wait until. When I saw a website, townhall.com, and I've also written for a conservative website. When they announced president-elect Trump, I said, okay, I'm putting it out.

It was a little bit before. Before Fox and CNN announced, and Drudge Report had announced it a couple hours earlier. This is a done deal to them. But so Donald Trump's going to give a speech, and Nancy says to me, I hope, I hope he's gracious. I forget exact words, but I hope he's conciliatory.

You know, obviously that's not the time when you come out and bash crooked Hillary or the time when you lash out at other people or, you know and and I thought, okay, I think he's got it in him to be a gracious winner.

Some people are gracious losers, some people are gracious winners, some people are neither. I thought, okay, I think we.

So I was like, okay, good, good. He was himself. He joked a little bit, but he was gracious. He honored Hillary Clinton, obviously, the most honor he's given to her in years as he spoke of her. And it's like two fighters.

They trash talk each other before a fight. And then once the fight's over, they hug and say, hey, we were just doing that to sell tickets.

Well, obviously, he was doing that to win the election. And I think he does think in many ways she's been corrupt. But he was conciliatory. He was mature in things that he said. You just hope that he'll keep it up.

He can still be strong. He can still be a wrecking ball. But we've got to pray, God, if you have raised him up as a wrecking ball, then give him restraint. One colleague of mine said to him, Look, it's like Secretariat, this incredibly powerful horse had to learn to be controlled by this hundred-pound jockey.

So we need to pray for that in his life. JJ Grip clip number five. Hillary Clinton, of course, was Conciliatory and calling for an open mind and an open heart towards Donald Trump to give him a chance. Listen to what she said. We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought.

But I still believe in America, and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead. Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power.

And we don't just respect that. We cherish it. Yeah, so again, she's obviously brokenhearted. I can't imagine the devastation. And I believe she is a serious liberal Christian.

In other words, that her faith is important to her, but it's a counterfeit faith.

So let's pray for her to really encounter the Lord these days as well, and for her husband to really encounter the Lord. All things are possible with God. And then we want to do our best to hold President Trump's feet to the fire and say, hey, you've got a strong platform. Stand with it. Stand with it.

Appoint those justices you promised you would. Help the poor in the inner city. Stand by the things you said you're going to do. And if you overspoke anything, if you were rash, let's do some wisdom here. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr.

Michael Brown. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Yeah, I uh I just spotted this uh On my Twitter feed, I guess it's what proud liberals meme.

Donald Trump didn't win today. Hate one, fear, one, racism, one, sexism, one, homophobia, one, prejudice, one, self-interest, one. Let's take a moment to grieve because America isn't what we thought it was, but then the fight begins. We won't give up. Hey, if Hillary was elected, I would have said that we don't give up.

We only move forward. But I feel very confident that God has had mercy on us, but we must really pray. nothing is guaranteed. Donald Trump could have a positive impact like a Ronald Reagan, but still there's so much that only the church could do. Or Donald Trump could be a mixed bag.

It's easy to have these expectations that I have no question that it's by God's sovereign will that he was raised up against all odds. But does that guarantee tomorrow? No. Therefore, we pray and we give ourselves to our task with urgency and faith. 866-348-3 Before I go to the phones.

President Obama, his remarks on Donald Trump's election. He He said yesterday before votes were tallied, I shot a video that some of you have seen, may have seen in which I said to the American people, regardless of which side you're on in the election, regardless of whether your candidate won or lost, the sun would come up in the morning. And that is one bit of prognosticating that actually came true. The sun is up. He said, now it's no secret that the president-elect and I have some pretty significant differences.

But remember, eight years ago, President Bush and I had some pretty significant differences. But President Bush's team could not have been more professional and more gracious in making sure we had a smooth transition so that we could hit the ground running. That is certainly what President Obama would be expected to do with Donald Trump. But he says this. At the end of his speech, I've only read a few lines from it.

I've said before, I think of this job as being a relay runner. You take the baton, you run your best race, and hopefully, by the time you hand it off, you're a little further ahead, you've made a little progress. And I can say that we've done that, and I want to make sure that handoff is well executed because ultimately we're all on the same team.

Now, The problem, of course, for Donald uh for for Barack Obama He's got to be feeling this acutely. Legacy, legacy, legacy, legacy. uh his signature act the Affordable Health Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare. There's tremendous expectation. that that will be repealed and replaced.

gone. If in fact Donald Trump appoints the justices to the Supreme Court that he promised. You don't just have the replacement for Scalia, you could have replacements for Breyer and Ginsburg. Justice Ginsburg is 83, and she said she wants to move to New Zealand if he wants. I mean, think of a sitting justice weighing in on the presidential race.

I don't think you're allowed to do that. Expected protocol not to do it. Uh what if he replaces the the Supreme Court justices with, say, three strong constitutionalists? What if we actually did that? And what if they held true?

Now, Justice Kennedy was the swing vote on the horrific redefinition of marriage vote. He was an appointed by Reagan.

So you don't know ultimately where people are going to go. But what if they were in the image of of Scalia? And he appointed a few like that with the help of the Heritage Foundation, giving him guidance.

So let's say Senator Cruz, this has been James Robinson's hope that Trump would say to Senator Cruz, hey, help me appoint justices to the Supreme Court. Give me some guidance here. Let's work together. Let's bury the hatchet and let's work together. Yeah, a whole lot of President Obama's legacy would be undone.

And of course, that's the way America operates in these fits and spurts in different directions. And one part of the country is saying this is for the best, and the other part of the country is mortified, and vice versa. But right now Uh right right now uh Betsy, seriously, you saw on TV there's heavy searching on internet regarding moving to Canada. Yeah, maybe I'll read that list real quick. Can I find it here?

Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. Celebrity reactions of people that plan to move out of the country. I mean, they're a bunch.

Some have said where they're going. I'm not going to read the whole list, but like 20-something people, where they're going to move.

Some haven't said where they're going to move. We'll see. We'll see. And there are probably people that say they're going to move if Hillary Clinton's elected. We'll see.

People tend to like America too much to leave over this, but we shall see. Yeah, there's word. There's word that someone on our radio team is on the way to Canada, but that's just an in-house joke. Yeah.

So I mean, here at Perez, Hilton, blacks, gays, Latinos, Muslims, and women are not only second class citizens in America. We're now bigger targets than ever. Not my president. This is the rhetoric that's going to be flying around. Let us see how President Trump governs and leads.

And let's see if he works for good diversity versus the unhealthy diversity that we see. Where a tiny minority can then impose its ways to the detriment of a society. Or to the redefinition of fundamental aspects of our society and to the oppression of other parts of society, we shall see. But I just tweeted this out as well. The left is now falling victim to its own hysteria, first demonizing Trump beyond all reality, and now terrified by the image they created.

All right, we've got to cover what's happened in North Carolina and with Governor McCrory and Attorney General Roy Cooper. I want to share a bit of my own history of the articles I wrote, where I've stood on this to give a little perspective that might be helpful. There were the Uh The legalization of marijuana. in California, Nevada, and Florida. Arizona's saying no.

Where is that going to take us? We shall see. All right, let me grab one quick call in the Raleigh-Durham area. Clay, welcome to the line of fire. Brother Michael, God bless you on this wonderful day that we have been allowed to live in.

First of all, I would like to share that you know, last week with being able to go to Call to Worship where your brother in Christ, Steve Noble, was there. You know, I didn't get to hear the testimony from Brother Walt, but I'm going to tell you what, that following Thursday, The Pastor Wooden gave an inspirational message telling people, he says, Who would you vote for? if you were being your life was being aborted inside a womb. That's very heartfelt. The one thing that got my attention last night was Monica Crowley took a tweet from a black man in Philadelphia.

And he's always been democratic. He says, I just can't do this. I'm voting for Trump.

Now the thing is with the overall situation, You heard it mentioned just a bit last night, but a lot this morning. The evangelical side of this whole situation. camp brought was brought to light. And you have people. I was at the prayer walk at the Capitol Monday night.

over 1,200 people praying for this situation. God shone his light. Overall, and the whole picture to bring to fruition what probably was going to take place anyway. Yeah, and yeah, let me say this, Clay. Bishop Wooten, of course, a well-known African-American leader and a strong pro-life leader in North Carolina.

I appreciate his stand. And let's recognize, yes, evangelicals did play a major role. Tony Campolo, who was a spiritual advisor to President Clinton and a left-wing evangelical, if even an evangelical anymore. He said the triumph of Donald Trump may signal the last hurrah of white male evangelicals in America, or it may mean that their influence is once again on the rise. We will have to wait and see.

There's more to his comment, but let me just say this. There are many who think that a Donald Trump presidency is going to be anti-women and anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim. Let us pray that God will give him wisdom to be president of all the people and a heart to do so as well. It's the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian Dr. Michael Brown.

Your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Isn't it utterly remarkable?

The events of the last 24 hours have not only shaken America, they've shaken the world. I hear the words revolution and revolt being used and unbelievable and surreal and unreal and historic and unprecedented. And it is exactly what it is being touted to be. And the shock waves on both sides, positive and negative being felt around America, campus reform reports. Professors across the nation are canceling classes Wednesday to help students deal with their emotional distress as they come to grips with the shocking election of Donald Trump.

And some of the distresses. Because of who Donald Trump has been and what he said. And part of the distress is the way the professors painted things. What I understand is that the millennials really didn't show up the way they needed to, and the minorities didn't show up the way they needed to. Apparently, they weren't that excited about Hillary Clinton.

And it would seem, aside from what God was doing in the midst of all this, to just look at this completely in the natural, just looking at it in natural terms, it would seem that the people who were upset with the direction of America were much more committed than the people who wanted to see America continue in the same direction, hence the election of Donald Trump. Trump. What about North Carolina? Uh President Obama had said a few days ago to the people of North Carolina that the fate of the world. uh the fate of the world.

is is in your hands. Thinking that North Carolina could be the battleground state, and ultimately was one of several key states that Donald Trump won. And I presently live in North Carolina. I have dear friends on the front lines of what are called the culture wars and key pastors that I'm friends with in the state of North Carolina. Of course, Charlotte, North Carolina, is the home of Billy Graham and the Billy Graham Library, and where Franklin Graham's ministry with Billy Graham Association, Evangelical Association, is based.

So I was watching very carefully what happened the the uh the state side elections. the strong conservative Republican base was maintained. If there had been a mandate, a statewide mandate against HB2, the bill that said that you cannot require a school or a public facility. To render its locker rooms and shower stalls and bathrooms gender-neutral, among other things. And the bill that could have.

put gays and lesbians in A particular situation that would now end up bringing discrimination against Christians. Without a history in recent years of heavy discrimination against gays and lesbians, that we had a real problem to deal with. If there is discrimination and unfair treatment, yes, of course, we need to address that. But HB2 sought to undo what a radical Charlotte bill did earlier in the year, and that's really where the trouble began. The NBA came against the state, pulling out the All-Star game for 2017.

The NCAA College Athletics came against the state, pulling out key championship games. PayPal said they're not moving offices and starting new business in Charlotte. Other businesses said they're not going to work here. Bruce Springsteen and other celebrities said they're not going to do their concerts and appear here. And one poll I said that I read, Exit Polls, said that it was like.

Almost, almost, or about two to one people against HB2. I don't know. I haven't read enough polls on it to know if that's accurate. But bottom line is, there was not some mandate statewide, let's undo this, because the state overwhelmingly went Republican.

Now at this moment, At this moment, Attorney General Roy Cooper, who was a strong advocate of getting rid of HB2, Is in a slight lead, a few thousand votes over Governor McCrory. There are more votes to be counted, absentee ballots and others called provisional that are to be counted until the 18th. But interestingly, I was following it and it was getting real close to the end, and McCrory was up by 50,000 votes. I came back, he was down by 3,000. Suddenly, quote, 90,000 votes were, quote, found.

which then went primarily Cooper. Interesting. Give us strict to always do what's right. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Thanks so much for joining us on the line of fire, 866-34-TRUTH. I wrote my first. Communication regarding Donald Trump August 27th of 2015.

An open letter. to Donald Trump. It was gracious, it was honoring, and it gave him friendly advice. All right. Gave him friendly advice.

And said, hey, it's free on top of it. And then just said, you know, Think these things through. I don't know if he ever saw it or anyone in his team ever saw it. I know things I wrote more recently definitely got the attention of some folks on his team that I'm sure about. But in any case, that was my first communication.

And then over the months, I wrote over 30 articles. Regarding Donald Trump. Most recently, the one that I wrote uh last night And it was published this morning on numerous websites: Donald Trump, President of the United States, by the sovereign intervention of God. But I want you to hear some of these things, all right? Because I want to be totally candid with you.

Uh November 29th. 2015 Why Evangelical Christians Should Not Support Donald Trump And I'm just selecting things here. January 18th, this year, is Donald Trump a double-minded man. January 26th, an open letter to Jerry Falwell, Jr., where I took issue with him. January 31st, I've had it with the line, but we're not electing a pastor-in-chief.

Um February 26, Donald Trump, vacillator-in-chief in a waffling class all his own. March 3rd, all this year. Mr. Trump, if you're pro-life, you don't praise Planned Parenthood period. March 7th, an open letter to Pastor Robert Jeffers about Donald Trump.

March 10th is Donald Trump on modern-day Cyrus. He said, Well, there are prophetic words that say he is. He's someone, according to the prophet Isaiah, who didn't know the Lord. We know from ancient Near Eastern inscriptions that he was an idol worshipper, but in other ways, honorable. And his policy was to resettle the exiles back in their home countries, let them build a temple and pray to their gods and be happy there.

And then we'll tax them and we'll get our income that way rather than brutally oppressing them.

So God put that in his heart and raised him up to do that thing. I said, Is he going to be a Cyrus or is he going to be a Nebuchadnezzar? Donald Trump anger and violence, March 13th. April 21st, Donald Trump is not your protector. A warning to conservative Christians.

And then May 3rd. Donald Trump, the National Enquirer President, a Divine Judgment on America question mark. And that's when he won Indiana handily. And that's when it was clear he is going to be the next president. He's going to be the Republican candidate.

And to me, I thought, boy, maybe God is in this. Maybe God really is raising up. Because the whole time I raised that possibility, I could be wrong. I prayed, I looked at it, I thought, as long as we have other candidates, I don't see him as the man. I don't see him.

I've got grave concerns. I sit on the air, look, there are others who see it differently, and I pray, God, am I missing something? And maybe I endorsed Ted Cruz. Did that cause me to be biased in my assessment? I just couldn't see it because all the faults and the shortcomings and the blemishes and the problems and the things associated with it.

But I will say this: over the course of the campaign, he convinced me that he did hold certain values now, that he was serious about some of the people he wanted to surround himself with, that he was making more and more conservative choices, and that he did respect Christians. I saw that, and I said, okay, I can't deny that, despite all my grave concerns.

So, in my article where I asked the question: Is he a National Inquirer president, Divine Judgment on America? I said, Look, I hope I'm wrong. I said, I hope I I get to eat my words.

So that's been my stance: that I would be thrilled to say I was wrong about Donald Trump. And I said early on, maybe my job is to warn and raise the concerns, and others are to support him. And then I began to say, okay. Let's look at God's sovereignty in this. August 17th, I wrote to him the book of Proverbs and a winning strategy for candidate Trump.

Again, don't know if he ever saw it, but said, Hey, You know, this is a way you can win, sir. I asked if he turned a new leaf August 19th. September 26th, I said Ted Cruz did the admirable thing by endorsing Donald Trump. October 9th, what King King David could teach Donald Trump. October 13th, seven things the Donald Trump wrecking ball has exposed in our culture.

Back in June, June 30th, I skipped over that. Why I'm actually rooting for Donald Trump. July 9th, said I'm not calling him anti-Semitic.

So I had all my concerns when we had other Republican candidates. Once he was in, I said, okay, let's see what we can do to work together. October 19th, pointed out the undeniable, glaring media bias, strong warnings against Hillary Clinton. Then October 23rd, why I will vote for Donald Trump. And then October 7th, so Monday, day before elections, what happens if Hillary wins?

What happens if Trump wins? And then, of course, today, Donald Trump, President of the United States, by the sovereign intervention of God.

So I've sought to be honest and consistent and Just to say in candor The extraordinarily rough edges of this divinely raised up wrecking ball were so apparent to me. that I failed to see initially. The larger purposes for which God is raising them up. But again, with that, we must pray for divine restraint. On this divine wrecking ball.

I'm going to go to the phones momentarily, but David French. Christian attorney and almost Third party candidate. Wrote this on the National Review today. Dear America, this is important. Trump did not win because of racism.

And he's pushing back against what Van Jones said on CNN that this is a white lash and this is a. This is whites rising up against blacks and against Barack Obama. And France said: if that's true, by all means, let's address it. But look at this. Friend says would you believe that Mitt Romney won a greater percentage of the white vote than Donald Trump?

Mitt took fifty nine percent, while Trump won fifty eight per cent. Would you believe that Trump improved the GOP's position with black and Hispanic voters? Obama won 93% of the black vote, Hillary won 88%. Obama won 71% of the Latino vote, Hillary won 65%. Critically, millions of minority voters apparently stayed home.

And he says, and all this happened, even as Democrats doubled down on their own identity politics. Yes, there are supporters of Trump who are racist for sure. And there are things he said that have added fuel to their fire. But I don't believe overall. that he led a racially divisive campaign.

I don't believe that overall. I believe that it was in certain ways. exacerbated by media reporting that gave those impressions. And then the worst sound bites put in the worst frames or in the worst perspectives led to some of that. But But from here Uh from here.

Uh I I will say this. Let us see how he governs and leads. All right. Let's go to Colorado Springs, Colorado. Russell, welcome to the line of fire.

Hey, Dr. Brown, how are you doing? Doing well, thank you. Did you sell your picture? I drew you that lion.

That was in the Colorado Springs when you came down. I gave you the lion of Judah. I don't know if you remember. Yeah, you better believe I remember it. You gave me two sizes of it, correct?

Yes, sir. Yeah, and one of them signed, you better believe, I believe it still have it. Please, go ahead. Go ahead. Very good.

I just wanted to explain, I'm I'm a African American and I uh voted Trump. I wrestled with this thing up until the very moment I mean, I it like the second. I I hit the box. I even scrolled down and looked at the other candidates, and really, there were no other candidates that was going to. be a competition to Hillary except for Trump.

So I Before the Lord, I I prayed r while I was doing this. Lord, don't let this be a mistake. I wasn't really taking too much precedent in the prophecies about Trump. I don't really. I'm really Very slow to just leech on the prophecy about a person because I've heard so many.

that haven't haven't come to pass. Uh either way. I saw Hillary was was still in it and I just as a a brother and a and a person in Christ. I knew I was in for it. Um I have already been called someone that's a sellout of my race.

For the decision I made, even though I wouldn't call this when I wouldn't sell. you know, back hit Hillary Clinton. I was really third party, I was Gary Johnson. But I I just logically had to make this decision. And I stood with it.

I feel fine with it because I believe it's God's divine will. Anyways, it's going to happen. Trump was supposed to be this wrecking ball. I know that there is there is I said we I said forgive my language, but we have two hells that we were presented with. And the way we're going to get through these hells, regardless of which one came, was our trust on the Lord.

It's just. It doesn't matter who's going to be president. We have to rely that these politics are told us. into a a faith of man.

Some of us We're relying on race, and so now we're like, if you're black, you can't support Trump. Trump is racism. If you're if you're Mexican, you can't support Trump. Trump is racist. It's going to deport you.

If you're Muslim, and so I knew this going in, voting, that I was going to be with that burden, because I at least. Confessed on my Facebook. I said, Look, guys, I know I was. Considering third party, but I'm gonna confess and be accountable to you. I voted Trump, and this is why, because I need to be able to say that Jesus is Lord.

If I'm not able to say that without going to jail, I mean, I would go to jail for it. But I at least have more freedom of religion to get the gospel out now than I would with Hillary. And um it's just unfortunate. And so when I say this, people still see race. Yeah, and and listen, a lot of it, sir, I gotta cut you off, gotta break.

A lot of it is because of the narrative that's being put forth. You know, riots in Oakland right now. And what has Donald Trump done to Oakland? I do believe he wants to help the inner cities. Let this play out.

Let the racists be exposed, whoever they are. God of light, hear our cry, send the fire. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr.

Michael Brown. Thank you so much for joining us on the line of fire, 866-348-7884. Please take the time to read my latest article about Donald Trump raised up to be president by God's sovereign hand.

Now, what are his purposes? Is it judgment? Is it blessing? I believe he wants to give us a respite. It seems evident in terms of a respite for religious liberties, but will we use it?

Will we seize the moment, or will we go back to our complacent, compromised Christianity? Will we go back to allowing the gaping holes and divisions in our nation? What will we do? With the time and opportunity that we have. That's urgent to me.

And yes, it's evident that Donald Trump is being used as a divine wrecking ball, and that look at how the mainstream media looks today. Just boom in one moment. Look at how it looks today. And who knows what's coming next and what new forms will be raised up. Uh But hey, these these strongholds don't fall easily.

And to whatever extent the campaign from either side, whoever's fault, media's fault, whatever, has gotten us where we are to be this inflamed and this, everybody on edge. And kids crying, and Muslim sanctions that leave the country, and riots in certain cities, and professors telling kids, stay home, it's too traumatizing. Think of President Trump, stay home. Oh. We as the church have to be peacemakers.

We as the church have to say, okay, how can we reach out? And then we have to really pray that God will give wisdom. Donald Trump. Supernatural wisdom. And if he doesn't have it, that God will give it to him through people around him and he will listen to it.

866-348-7884. Let's go to Marie in Raleigh, North Carolina. Welcome to the line of fire. Hi, Dr. Brown.

How are you? Doing well, thank you. Good.

Well, I'm calling about actually attorney the Attorney General Roy Cooper and the votes with Pat McCrory. And I just wanted to urge people to just keep Pat McCrory in our prayers. We really, really need You know, we still have the provisional votes left. But we really need to rally around this man who is trying to do the will of God. And trying to protect our children and the sanctity of marriage and just the sanctity of our basic Sexual identity.

But I as an African American woman, I definitely want to urge people to pay attention to their churches, more so speaking to your African American Listeners. Pay attention to what your church supports. I recently walked out of my church because I found out that they had Roy Cooper speak for us. And though they cannot tell us who to vote for, they still had him present. And I know with these um with the campaigns and everything, a lot of people have had um like my grandmother had told me that to Hillary Clinton sent scouts down to her to her church to see Um Well, which black church we could go to that would have the most impact?

And I know Um I know Trump went to churches as well, but I need people to pay attention to what your pastors are supporting. Because if they're having people that are anti-biblical views in your church, that just brings everything into question.

Well, what am I really learning here? I want people to just make sure that they know the issues, they know for themselves. don't let it be that, oh, it's just what the pastor says and I'm just going to go with that. especially in the black community because a lot of us, we don't take the time to do the research. We go by just, oh, the pastor says it's okay, or a celebrity says it's okay.

Just like Hillary had Beyonce and Jay-Z. And that's that's oh, that's how they get the urban youth. Yeah, and Marie, let me say this. I think church, people in church is often just listening to a leader. Obviously, we respect leaders, but not doing the research for themselves, or kids just being moved by celebrities.

I mean, that's across ethnicities and color and things like that. But I respect your integrity, Marie, in making the choices that you made. And again, when you have a radical pro-abortion candidate, a radical pro-homosexuality candidate like Hillary Clinton. And someone that'd be locked up with her and a Roy Cooper in so many ways, that's not someone that's fit to speak behind a pulpit unless they're standing up to repent. And yes, I'd be concerned about any church that goes in that direction, for sure.

For sure. That doesn't mean that Christians automatically become Republicans or right-wing, but conservative biblical values, those we don't compromise. Thank you for winging in. Thanks for your integrity. Just looking at some Some posts here, people are saying, yeah, 9-11 was the worst day in American history.

Now, the second worst day is 11-9. I mean, they are comparing Donald Trump being elected to the tragedy of 9-11. Let me say this: I was urging folks not to vote for Hillary Clinton, and I would have grieved if she was elected, but from my mentality. You know, we as the church still have to do what we have to do. And it would have been tragic in many ways for us if she was elected.

And I do believe it would have set a negative course. Especially with Supreme Court justices, that's not the only thing, but it is something. And I know you can never tell how they'll ultimately govern. It was mainly Republicans who were on the Supreme Court and voted for Roe v. Wade, but they weren't all that conservative in their ideology either.

Most of them. Obviously, that's why they went the way they went. But I do believe there's been mercy. I do believe that. And please take the time to read my latest article.

Which speaks of Donald Trump being president by divine intervention. Listen to some of the prophetic words. I don't have time. I wanted to play it, but but I don't have time. A word from Lance Walnell and a warning when he was on the air with me.

But you'll find my interview with Lance Wall now. Just go to thelineoffire.org. The lineofire.org. Just click on the digital library. If you don't see it right on the homepage, just click on the digital library and type in Lance's name, Walnow, W-A-L-A-L.

L, N A W. You can listen to my whole interview with Lance Wall now. It's a whole two-hour show where he talked about Donald Trump as God's chaos candidate, and Donald Trump raised up for such a time as this, and how he was God's chaos candidate, and how God was using him even in his. Ignorance. Even in his unrenewed character, that God was using him.

To me, that's the only explanation we have for Donald Trump being the president. Elect.

So we pray for him, and we pray for God's people to rise up as peacemakers. And let me say this again. I'm all for those who were strong Trump supporters for months, who were clearly voting for him long before I came around and said I was going to vote for him. By all means, celebrate. I was very pleased to see him in because I felt there were prophetic purposes in it for the good of the nation and then obvious things that could be for the good of the nation, although with concern about who he could be and where we would go.

But let me encourage you: don't gloat. Don't gloat. You wouldn't want people gloating if you were the one that lost. Don't mock others. They're crushed today.

They're upset. Let's show some heart. Let's be Christian in the midst of this. And then let's roll our sleeves up. And get about the work that God's called us to: the Great Commission, revival, repentance in our own lives, helping those in need.

Let's be the church. My bottom line today. I'm looking to Donald Trump to be the president. I'm looking to the church to be the church. Ain't the world.