An Honest Assessment of the Trump Presidency; Anything Is Possible; and the Shocking State of our Colleges

Well, I've got a word of wisdom for those who like our president and those who don't like our president. And hey, I've got a Super Bowl reflection as well. Yeah. It's time for the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.

Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and President of Fire School of Ministry. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Toss the white. He's in! Patriots win the Super Bowl! Brady has his fifth! What a comeback!

All right, I don't want to throw salt in the wound to the Atlanta fans and just get the Patriot fans rejoicing even more, but I've actually got some spiritual comments. After the Super Bowl, this is Michael Brown. Welcome, welcome to the line of fire. Number to call to weigh it on the broadcast, 866-34TRUT. That's 866-348-783.

Eight. Four. I am delighted to be with you. Had a great time of ministry in the Detroit area over the weekend. And those of you who are prayer warriors, those of you that pray for me and for our ministry team regularly, I would covet your prayers in the next couple of days.

We're in the midst of a very intense travel ministry schedule around which, of course, other things are built in and around which we do radio. But I'm going to be recording shows for a new broadcast on God TV. This will air internationally, of course, on God TV. And the broadcast is going to be called The Word on Fire. It's going to be the preaching side of my life and ministry, sharing messages about the real gospel, sharing messages about holiness and repentance and revival.

And we're going to be recording a bunch of shows on Tuesday and Wednesday.

So tomorrow and Wednesday. And of course, we bring you our line of fire radio broadcast as well.

So please pray for grace. I go from Florida to Canada. In fact, when we do, you've got questions, we've got answers, God willing. On Friday, I should be in Saskatoon, Canada, and probably 70 degrees difference in temperature from Florida to Canada and then from there to California.

So I'd covet your prayers, but especially tomorrow and Wednesday, just for grace to bring the word on fire to a world. worldwide TV audience. All right. I do want to address some things happening with President Trump, Vice President Pence, and whether you are the staunchest Trump supporters or the strongest Trump critics, I believe I have some wisdom for you.

So I want to weigh in on that shortly. But while I was preaching Friday night, in Detroit. Coming to the end of the message I was bringing. I just was talking about awakening and revival, and I began to ask some questions.

Now, look, we're used to the idea of Donald Trump as president.

Some very excited, some very upset, but we're used to that. But but think back two years ago. two years ago. If If I told you Donald Trump would be president, it just seemed completely outlandish. If you told me it's going to happen, I would have questioned you quite strongly.

If you said the Lord showed you it's going to happen, I would have said, well, if it happens, I'll believe you. I would have been very skeptical about it. And if I told you, okay. two years ago, wha which which do you think would be more likely to occur. said that there'd be a spiritual awakening America.

Or that Donald Trump would win the Republican nomination, he'd defeat senators and governors along the way, and then would defeat Hillary Clinton in the general election and get 81% of the white evangelical vote. If I said, which is more likely that there'll be spiritual awakening America in two years, or Donald Trump will do all this, you'd probably say, more likely there'll be spiritual awakening. What if I asked you, what would be more likely? That there will be spiritual awakening in America in two years. I asked you this two years ago.

Or that Donald Trump would become the darling of the pro-life movement. Uh uh Come on, which would have been more l unlikely it's uh Donald Trump will oh, okay. What It was more unlikely. Donald Trump winning the presidency or Atlanta blowing the biggest lead in the history of the Super Bowl. The greatest comeback in the history of the postseason in the NFL.

Something that defied every point of logic and history and precedent. Of course, the quote Patriots, right? The Patriots win. Why not other unlikely things? Why not?

God of light, hear our cry, send the fire. It's the light of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

The court concludes that the circumstances that brought it here today are such that we must intervene to fulfill the judiciary's constitutional role in our tripart government. Therefore, the court concludes that entry of the above described TRO is necessary, and the state's motion is hereby granted. All right, that was U.S. District Judge James L. Robart issuing a temporary ruling blocking the enforcement of President Trump's executive order barring entry to the United States for citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries and refugees.

We'll comment on that more in a moment. Again, I want to weigh in with what I hope will be some wisdom for those trying to sort through how to respond to President Trump and how to respond to those who are responding to him, both critics and friends. 866-348-7884.

So let me make myself totally clear. When I talk about the unlikelihood of Donald Trump being president, when I talk about the unlikelihood of the Patriots come back, what am I saying? I am not saying That the Patriots' comeback was a prophetic sign. No, it could be, let God be God. But I'm not saying that.

That the Falcons losing symbolize one thing, and the Patriots winning symbolize another thing. Nor am I saying that if you have a problem with Donald Trump as the president, that you're not a patriot.

Okay?

So don't read anything into it. Nor is this sports talk radio where you can weigh in: you know, was it a greater comeback or was it a greater choke or whatever. The point I'm making is this.

Sometimes we are too rational for our own good.

Sometimes we find it hard to expect anything unusual to happen, anything seemingly impossible to happen, because basically it never happens. And life just goes on, so let's be realistic. I am a realist, but I'm a realist always with something factored in, which is but the. Yeah. And to me ultimately what matters most is what God says and what God does, not what people say and people do.

And history can turn I'm a dime. and highly unexpected things could happen, and we're we're living them out now. That's the point. We're in the midst of highly unexpected things happening.

So what I want to encourage you to do. whether you're thrilled that President Trump is leading our nation or whether you're distressed over it. is to recognize if something this unlikely could happen. Are there other highly unlikely things that could happen? Why not believe God for them with increased faith?

Be it a turnaround in your own family, be it a turnaround in the nation. And remember, when awakenings have come in the past, when spiritual awakenings and revivals have come in the past, they have come when things look bleak and things look dire, and it looked like the gospel or the witness of the church was being snuffed out. In our society, in America or in other countries, and it's out of that the great revival came. Come on, the 20th century saw not only the horrors of the Holocaust. but out of the ashes of the Holocaust the rebirthing of the modern State of Israel.

Who would have thought such a thing possible after the horrible decimation and the slaughter of two-thirds of Europe's Jews? That within a few years, for the first time in 2000 years, roughly there would now be a State of Israel in the Middle East. We are right now in our day with the changes that have come, with the dramatic nature of the changes that have come, with the impossible nature of the changes that have come. Naturally speaking, we're in a season where we should have the mentality of anything is possible. And I want to encourage you as a leader in the church.

I want to encourage you as a leader in the business world, as the leader in your home or a leader in your school, or wherever you find yourself as a witness for the Lord, to believe for impossible things to happen. And no sooner do I write that article, and it goes up. What I wrote it Saturday, and I guess it went up yesterday and today on different websites. I said, Look, if these things could happen, These things that seem so impossible, why not a great awakening? The day of the inauguration, my friend James Robinson addressed President.

about to be inaugurated Trump. and then prayed and said, We believe, dear God, that the stage is set for the next great spiritual awakening And I believe with all my heart it is absolutely Essential.

Well You say, I don't know. Stayed set for the next great spiritual awakening. I don't know.

Well, why not? Why not, if these other things have happened? Why not? Donald Trump is now a champion of the pro-life cause and has nominated a solid constitutional justice to replace Antonin Scalia. Why not?

Why not believe for that?

Now again, I want to come to my wisdom. in terms of how we approach the presidency in a moment. But I hope you hear what I'm saying.

So, in the midst of thinking anything is possible. You then have this comeback. completely unprecedented on every level. Early in the game, when the Patriots were down 14 to nothing, commentators said that no team in Super Bowl history, this is 50 games before, has ever come back from a two touchdown deficit. I didn't know that.

And then later in the game, whatever the score was, they said in the history of the NFL postseason. This is hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of games, thousands of games, that when the score was such, whether it was a two or three touchdown margin, at this time of the game, that it was 93 to nothing. For the team that had that margin So there was no way this was going to happen. Everything had to go a certain way almost every play, the rest of the game, for this to happen. And it did.

as unlikely as it was. And quote, the Patriots won. Again, I'm not saying that this is a prophetic sign that if you don't like Donald Trump as president, you're not a patriot. No, no. It's well known.

That Robert Kraft, the the the s the owner of the Patriots was favorable towards Donald Trump and that Tom Brady at one point had come out favorably and then stepped back from any political involvement.

So many people took this in the same way. Trump came back when no one expected him to come back and overcame a big lead with Hillary Clinton and the patriots have come back. But please, again, that does not mean that if you're not a fan of Donald Trump as president, you're not a patriot, as long as you recognize him as your president and pray for him. But Here's what I want to say. We're living in a day of impossible things happening.

That's all I want to say. We're living in a day of impossible things happening. Why not believe for things to happen that are impossible in the spiritual realm? Does that seem like such a stretch now? Does that seem so impossible now?

Here, one other thing, and then I want to get to my. Wisdom in dealing with Donald Trump and his presidency. And I have some concerns. I'm about to air. I have some genuine concerns and comments of Vice President Mike Pence that I feel are very unfortunate.

very unfortunate that I'm disappointed in. I'm going to be as plain and clear as I can in a moment. Think of this. James Robinson. Who has become a close friend and spiritual confidant to Donald Trump?

was such a strong critic of Trump, He doesn't endorse candidates, but he had so many issues with Donald Trump that when Dr. Ben Carson told James. that he was going to endorse Trump. Dr. Carson's looked to James Robinson for spiritual wisdom, as other candidates did as well.

When he told them he was going to endorse Trump. James tried to talk him out of it. As James has said on this very radio show. Ben Carson had the cell phone in his hand and is about to walk out on the stage to endorse. Donald Trump.

And James is trying to talk him out of it. and I remember James telling me He said, I have to respect Ben Carson. I have to respect Mike Huckabee. when they're endorsing Donald Trump, there must be something that they see. Who would have thought that doctor Carson Had had a clause in his in his endorsement.

He had an agreement. I will only endorse you, Mr. Trump. If you will have an extended private meeting with James Robinson. Yeah, that was the agreement.

And James met with Donald Trump for an hour and a half. A little bit with Eric, he brought in as well, but mainly with Donald Trump alone. Afterwards, Robertson joked to him that was, quote, the longest you've been quiet in your entire life.

So, who would have thought that this staunch opponent of Trump would have become one of his most trusted spiritual? advisors And John Zmirak, who also writes for the stream as I do, a conservative Catholic colonist. He said when he was a student at Yale, said this on this radio show, his professors uniformly praised communism. making clear that it was communism, not capitalism, that was the key to the world's future success. And they were quite confident that this socialist system was here to stay with its fear of insolence growing by the decade.

Of course, it went the opposite direction. And Johns Mirrick asked you, who would have believed that the principal players who'd helped topple communism would be a former Hollywood actor, Ronald Reagan, a female Prime Minister in England, the daughter of a lay preacher and grocer, Margaret Thatcher. and a shipyard worker who became the head of a Polish trade union, Lake Valencia, and a Polish pope. John Paul II. Who in the world?

Who in the world would have envisioned this? But it happened. All right, we come back.

Some wisdom about the Trump presidency. Gains the world O God of burning, cleansing flames. Send the fire. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown.

Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34 TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. President Trump decided this week to let stand President Obama's executive order on LGBT rights. And it prompted this question from a prominent social conservative, Bob Vanderplatz.

He said, Our base is wondering why Obama's executive order is allowed to stand. What's the answer? I think throughout the campaign, President Trump made it clear that discrimination would have no place in our administration. I mean, he was the very first Republican nominee to mention the LGBTQ community at our Republican National Convention and was applauded for it. And I was there applauding with him.

I think the generosity of his spirit Recognizing that in the patriot's heart there's no room for prejudice is part of who this president is. Ugh.

Okay, here's the problem. Here's the problem. That was Vice President Mike Pence speaking to George Stephanopoulos. Here's the problem. This has nothing to do with prejudice and discrimination.

This has to do with putting people in certain categories. into which they do not belong This has to do with not recognizing the implications for religious freedoms. I'll explain more of what I'm saying. 866-34-TRUTH, this is Michael Brown. Welcome to the line of fire.

A question for you. How do you think President Trump is doing? I think he's doing an amazing job, incredible job, acting on everything he promised. Do you think he's like a bull in a china shop? Do you think he's dangerous?

How do you think he's doing? 866-348-7-884. All right. Through the campaign it became clear. That Donald Trump.

was really becoming pro-life, that this was really a value of his, that it wasn't just to gain votes, that he he did have some convictions along these lines, or at least he was whatever was motivating him, that he was staying consistent with this. Initially, I questioned him. I called him the vacillator-in-chief because he said one thing one week and another another week. But pro-life, he ended up staying with. And of course he's acted accordingly since he's been elected.

At the same time, he has been very, very strong in speaking out for religious freedoms. Very, very strong, and at the National Prayer Breakfast reiterated this. At the prayer breakfast, said once again he wanted to repeal the Johnson Amendment and stood strong for religious liberties. At the same time, It's been clear. that he wants to be a friend of the LGBT community, and that he is concerned about their rights as well.

And it's also been clear that there has been no answer given. No answer given to the persistent question that's come to him. What happens when you have a conflict? Between religious freedoms and sexual freedoms. What happens when you have a conflict that arises from the conservative religious community.

And the LGBT community. What happens? We've not received. An answer yet. to that question.

I know it's been pressed on President Trump. And here's what we Are reading, can't confirm this, but I'm not seeing it denied. That we know that there were religious conservatives working with Trump that had him. look at an executive order. that would guarantee religious freedoms.

And that would roll back some of President Obama's activism with regard to sexual orientation and gender identity. Remember, transgender is now a category. You can be guilty of discriminating against someone.

So if you have a A man that applies for a job at a nursery school, and he's evidently a man. You could see he's a man, and he's wearing a dress, but he wants to be identified as Tiffany, and he wants to have a job there, and you say it wouldn't be appropriate for the kids, then you could potentially be guilty of discrimination based on transgender issues. Or, if you said to a gay couple that wanted you to shoot their wedding and you're a photographer, and you said, Hey, I can't do that in good conscience. You could be guilty of discriminating against them based on sexual orientation, the president. deepen those things and and Deepened them for federal workers and even created some of these things.

For example, in certain categories where laws spoke about biological sex. that the Obama administration said, well, that just means gender now, and that could be gender identification.

So that could be malleable, that could be changeable. You could have on your birth certificate male, which identifies female, therefore that's what you're going to be treated in schools, et cetera.

So It was widely understood that conservatives wanted to stand for religious liberty, not to attack others, but to put religious liberty first. We're working with the president to draft an executive order that would enshrine those religious liberties more deeply. And would Yeah. counteract what President Obama had set in motion. Instead, According to the reports, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner.

So Ivanka and Jared Kushner. the President's daughter and son-in-law, push strongly against that. and influenced him according to the reports we've read, influenced him instead. to put out this executive order. Or this statement saying that they would uphold what President Obama had set in motion.

Now, gay activists are still skeptical. They're still saying, oh, yeah, great, great. Let's see where this goes. They're still. really uh concerned about where the Trump administration is going to go because there is friendliness to religious conservatives.

And I believe in the mind of Donald Trump, he wants to be fair, and he wants to stand with the gay community, he wants to stand with the Christian community, and he doesn't understand the potential conflict of liberties that, for whatever reason, he has not addressed it sufficiently. It's discouraging to me. to see uh governor mike pence A committed Christian, say that, look, the administration is doing just what the Donald Trump campaign said he would do, which is we're not discriminating. We agree it shouldn't be discrimination, it shouldn't be prejudice, but the question is: is skin color the same as sexual orientation? The answer is no.

Is skin color the same as gender identity? The answer is no. Is ethnicity the same as those categories? No, so you shouldn't put them in a specific category and then give certain protections that now infringe on the religious freedoms of others.

So here's my word of wisdom. Here's my word of wisdom. And you can weigh in 866-348-7884. Here's my word of wisdom for you. I believe Donald Trump has done a lot of good already.

I believe he has given people a lot of cause for concern already. I believe he has done some great things forcefully and quickly, as he said he would. I believe he's made rookie mistakes. I believe there is cause for encouragement and there is cause for concern. What I'm saying is it is not either or.

If you have the view that Donald Trump can do no wrong. Wake up because that's not the reality. and he needs a lot of prayer. And we could be in for a lot of volatility because of mistakes he makes or things he does in a wrong way. If you have that mentality he can't do anything right, you're wrong because he's done some very right things already.

and and kept some of his promises already. And if all you're going to do is bash him, then you're not going to have the right heart. What I'm saying is we have great potential. Either way. And we need to bathe this.

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This is Michael Brown, your voice of moral sanity and spiritual clarity. You know, we we tend to go one way or the other. You know, if it's a sports event, we're rooting for one team against the other team. If it's election, we're rooting. For one candidate, voting for one candidate, rooting for, voting against the other, rooting against the other, I should say.

But in reality, People are not just all good, all bad. There is There's not always a right and wrong here. Same with a sports event. There's only not a right and wrong. It's just the team you grew up with, or the team you like is where you live, or some star, or something like that.

So sometimes when it comes to something as volatile as the presidency of Donald Trump with such division in the media and so many things happening, it's easy to just. take sides rather than stepping back and saying, God, what's your perspective?

So there's great potential with President Trump. He really could be an amazing president, and there's great potential for. Chaos. And war and and other problems. and degenerating of a lot of things.

It could go either way. He's done a lot of good. There are other reasons why I have cause for concern. Hence My words of wisdom today. 866-34TRUTH.

We go to Michael in Washington, D.C. Thanks for. Calling the line of fire. Yes. you doing Dr.

Brown? Doing well, thank you. Good. I wanted to be clear on the the difference between the spiritual aspect of the game and the Donald Trump presidency. Um how you fit that in on the spiritual side.

Like you're bringing God into this. Yeah, it's real simple, and thanks for asking for clarification. If you have the mentality. that nothing ever changes, right? that America's never going to change, your family's never going to change.

this is never going to change, the world's never going to change, and that's your attitude, even as a believer. And then you see a series of completely unexpected, seemingly impossible things happen. on on the level of the Super Bowl and then on the much bigger level of the election. of the President of the United States. And I say to you, if I told you two years ago Donald Trump would have been president, you'd think it's impossible.

It could never happen. If I tell you the Patriots down 28-3 with two minutes left in the third quarter are going to win the Super Bowl in overtime. It's not possible. It just is not going to happen. Yet these things in the natural have happened.

That should tell me. That I shouldn't have such a skeptical, cynical attitude when it comes to spiritual things. How much more should I be able to say, All things are possible with God. How much more if these things could happen in the natural? Why am I so skeptical and cynical about About, say, God bringing a great awakening to America.

Just because these things have never happened before, or they don't happen, or the odds are against it. Who says they couldn't happen? Look at what's happened here in our world right in front of us. That's the point that I'm making, and that's why I encourage folks to say, hey. Donald Trump could be president as unlikely as that seemed.

If the Patriots could come back and win the Falcons, as unlikely as that seemed. Why can't we believe for a great awakening in our nation that seems highly unlikely, but why can't that happen? That's the point I was making. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, go ahead.

Yeah. the Roe versus Wade, do you believe it's likely that that Donald Trump will be able to get this overturned. I think it's. Do you believe that? I think it's very possible.

I don't know that likely. is the word. But very possible. It would take. Ruth Beta Ginsburg stepping down or Justice Kennedy stepping down, another one stepping down, retiring or passing away.

And then what has to happen then is another strong conservative. pro-life justice coming in, that's where there's going to be a hellish battle. There's going to be a battle over Gorsuch. But he just restores the balance of four conservative, four liberal, and one swing vote. But if you can get to five strong conservatives, so I say it well could happen, and that would push the issue back to the states.

Thank you. It's fire we want, for fire we It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr.

Michael Brown. Yeah, get this report. Who is this? By Warner Todd Euston at Breitbart.com. A legion of liberals in despair over Patriots' win.

As the New England Patriots performed miraculous comfort behind win to clinch into the Super Bowl title, giving quarterback Tom Brady an historic fifth Super Bowl ring, liberals from coast to coast lapsed into despair that anyone close to President Donald Trump could become winners. As soon as Patriots running back James White stretched over the end zone to slam the Pixkin down for the game-winning touchdown, liberals took to Twitter to vent their outrage. Immediately, the hashtag NotMySuper Bowl champion started trending with many slamming Brady and Trump. Tom Brady is a Trump supporter and a cheater. Anyway, anyway.

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We go to Angeli in Manassas, Virginia. Welcome to the line of fire. Thank you, Dr. Brown. Hey.

I am calling because I was called to the prophetic. And my calling is Jeremiah 1. And I was called in an audible voice just before President Bush's second run and his election. The Lord showed me three presidents during this time. The first one was President Bush.

He said there will be no question of the hanging Chad. He showed me Obama, President Obama, and he said, this is for judgment, the judgment on a people whose heart has turned away from me. This one was Trump. He said this is for correction. Due to the prayers and the outcry of some of the policies that were passed, God said this will be for correction.

Now, Donald Trump is not perfect. No, people couldn't understand why he won that election, just like nobody would understand back in the day why he chose King David. But King David ended up being a man after God's own heart. during all of his imperfections. We have to pray for this president because during his presidency, We are going to see the Supreme Court change.

We're going to see God move in this nation. But correction, just like when you set a bone. It hurts. And until it heals, it hurts.

So God is going to do a correction. And with this correction will come an awakening. Five years ago, he had the right on a piece of paper, and I filled the paper up what said, There's an awakening going on. There's an awakening going on. There's an awakening going on.

This is the word from the Lord. I'm not making it up. I don't have a platform, no. But I speak and get my tweets out and my Facebook messages out as much as I can. But yes, God chose Donald J.

Trump. Just like he chose the others, and there are reasons behind him choosing each one. Thank you, Dr. Brown, for letting me have my say. You're very welcome.

Hey, here's what you do. Test the word, yes? That's what we're supposed to do. If someone brings a prophetic word, test it. That's what our sister would ask you to do.

And she says she has a track record. All right, thank you for calling in. 866-34TRUTH. Certainly, certainly. There is much that Donald Trump must do to correct wrong direction that was set on the administrative level.

The church must do its business about bringing about correction on its level. If we look to Donald Trump to do what the church is supposed to do, we're going to have problems. Can I say that again? If we look to Donald Trump to do what the church is supposed to do, we're going to have problems. If we pray for him to do what he should do as President, and support him when he does right.

and do our best to call him to account when we feel he does wrong. And then we give ourselves to doing what we're supposed to do, that is a way we can see. Positive, lasting change come. 866-34TRUT. Let's go to Liz back in Washington, D.C.

Thanks for calling the line of fire. Yeah, yeah. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my call. You're welcome.

Yes. Um I I don't have any heavy philos philosophical um view. I guess as a as an African American Christian person, We are called in our church ever since the election to pray for the new. President and his administration. And I say that, and I do that daily, but I guess my concern, and as I said, it's just on a very basic level as a Christian, because we are called to temper our language and to treat people with respect and to you know, that whole business of how we interact and engage with people.

So that's an overriding Problem that I have, again, it's not anything. Heavy philosophical thing at this point, but I just have a very hard time getting past. Just The behavior and the manner in which the new President deals with people who don't necessarily agree with him. And yes, you said, I agree. We we need to call him on that, but he doesn't seem to handle that very well.

So your advice on What? How do we approach that, or how do we get past that? Because that's a very big concern of mine. The divisive language, the very You know, again, as an African American, being referred to as the African Americans and just his blanket. tone of we're all poor and on welfare and and Yeah.

We're going to help them and fix them. We don't need fixing, but that language is just very, very discouraging to me. Yeah, well, first, yeah, a few things in response. I love the fact that your church has said, hey, this is our president. We need to pray.

That's the first thing. The second thing, I wholeheartedly affirm the concern about divisive language. I'm going to qualify it in a moment, but for example, It doesn't matter how savage the media is. It doesn't matter how ugly the press is, it doesn't matter how many lies circulate about you. When you're the president, you still have to have a certain tone, just like a parent in the home.

You know, you have to behave a certain way, not like a child. Obviously, when you have this judge, even if it was horrific judicial overreach, even if he completely blew it in in staying the president's executive order. Even if he did that, when Donald Trump tweets out, you know, the so-called judge, you don't want to do that. That's that's harmful, and that's only going to further Divide. And James Robinson said it would be, he said, on the one hand, we can't try to make Donald Trump.

other than who he is. In other words, he's going to do things with a certain style. and let it be, because that's how he got where he is. That's, you know, that's we need some boat rocking in the White House. On the flip side, you know, they said if you could change anything, what would it be?

And Robinson said it'd be great if you started tweeting out proverbs. You know, that, so what we have to do in that regard. is with You know, whatever, however, we can get to him, whatever voices are close to him, saying, Hey, as your supporters, we're urging you to consider this. As people who believe in you, as people who are praying for you, in many cases, people who voted for you. We are asking you to just not not to become some sweet grandma, but just to think, hey, you're the most powerful elected person in the world right now.

Now, the only other thing, though, I have not heard him make blanket statements disparaging. to African Americans. A couple of times he he s spoke unwisely, talking about, for example, welfare policies and those that were hurting in the inner city, saying, Hey, what do you have to lose voting for me? Obviously that was an unwise statement. But I've not heard him make blanket statements, Liz, to the effect of, you know, African Americans are poor.

I don't think he said The African Americans more any more than he said that about other groups. I just chalk that up to sometimes not recognizing. How things sound, but I don't believe he's racist personally. You didn't say he was either, by the way. But when you've had different folks who are active in communities, James Brown, a football legend, does a lot of work with gang members and has come out strong on community rehabilitation, and others who've worked in the inner city and things like that.

And of course, there are African Americans all over society. We understand that. But it seems he's had a genuine concern and feel this is not right.

Somehow America is hurting some of its very own people. And this is our problem together. He even mentioned it in inauguration about concerns about certain parts of America, not by color, because it isn't by color, but the inner cities and different things, the difficulties, and how this is our problem as Americans together.

So in that regard, I think he just needs to understand, hey, when you say this, it sounds like this. But otherwise, Liz, keep doing what you're doing in prayer and pray for those who are close to him. He has godly men and women close to him. that not as his adversaries, but as though standing with him, because he'll listen better to that. That he could understand, okay, you can still be strong, you can still tweet.

You can still be Donald Trump. You can still issue executive orders. You can still be an alpha male leader. Just think, if you could say this instead, you could win these people that are on this side. See, if you could be just as strong, but approach it a little differently.

Then these that are sitting on the fence, you could win them over.

So you don't have to divide everybody to move forward. If he can hear that from those close to him. That'd be the key. The more you attack, the more response you're going to get.

So that's what we have to do, Liz. And I do appreciate the call and the heart. Affirm the concerns. That's why again. Oh.

We have great potential to go in either direction with our president. And you know what's very possible? We could go in both directions. we could see a lot of great things happening and a lot of bad things happening. Wouldn't it be great to minimize the bad and see more of the good?

We'll be right back. Thank you for the call. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr.

Michael Brown. Thank you so much for joining us on the line of fire. 866-34-TRUTH. Let me say it once more. Be careful.

Be careful that you don't just become so much of a Trump supporter that you can't see problems. Be careful that you don't become so much of a Trump critic that you can't see good. Especially if you claim to be a Bible-based follower of Jesus, you should realize that people can be mixed in many ways and that someone who does a lot of good could also do damage in the process. Hence the need to pray, hence the need to do our best to hold people to account in a positive way. 86634Truth.

We go to Lebanon, Connecticut. Alan, welcome to the line of fire. Thank you, Dr. Brown. It's good to be welcome.

Well, I've had unclarity about this for quite a while. Um I'm basing my question Went over to Galatians chapter three, verse two, it said Did you receive the Spirit by thee, works of the Lord, a hearing of faith? I used to work with homosexuals because I worked in San Francisco Bay Area, which is probably one of the largest hubs in the United States, if not the world of uh gay if as they call it in lesbian activity. And when I told a guy when I was going to come from the Buddhism and the New Age, I was thinking of becoming the Christian, he said, If you do the former, I'll love you. If you do the latter, I'll hate you.

Isn't it just better? they were homosexual before. They just better just leave them be married As long as they don't encroach on us with it. restroom thing in the shower room in public schools. Because They'll just resent it?

Isn't it enough, as the Honorable Donald Trump is doing, to just let us speak into it? Let us have free speech. Yeah, well obviously The uh Look at Donald Trump as having a larger strategy as to how this is all going to work itself out. If he does, my apologies. I look at it that he's a friend of gays and lesbians and doesn't want them in his mind discriminated against.

And he's a friend of conservative Christians and wants them to have full liberties. The problem is, though, Alan, there's going to be... an inevitable clash.

Now, here are a few questions to ask. And I respect your question fully. I respect your question. And I understand that it's not up to the church to impose a moral value on all of society and say you just have to accept it because we're the church. That would be a theocracy.

Rather, in our democratic republic, we elect officials, we vote, we take things to court, and we do our best to advocate for a point of view. And to advocate for changes of hearts and minds. And that's ultimately what's going to turn the tide. And I'm going to get very directly to your question, but think, for example, of yesterday's halftime show. There was a lot of concern that Lady Gago was going to use the show to make a political statement.

She had been a staunch opponent of Donald Trump. What was she going to do? She said her message was going to be one of love and inclusion. And then people said, ah, actually, wasn't that bad? And you know, actually, she started off with some patriotic songs and didn't change the words.

And yeah, and she sang Born That Way. which was I think the the quickest song to a million downloads on on iTunes when it came out And it's written with her, I believe, out of compassion for those who she thinks are rejected or treated as second-class citizens, including those who identify as LGBT. And her solidarity with them is very well known. And I understand why she's doing it. I think her motivation is one out of love from her perspective.

But it's interesting that people like, ah, it wasn't any big deal. They're so used to this part. They're so used to the gay and lesbians.

So ultimately, the only way that America's going to turn is for the church turning hearts. It's not going to be from the top down. It's going to be the church turning hearts. But here's why, sir. I'm not happy with what President Trump has done or what Mike Pence has said.

Number one, once you legally redefine marriage, It now becomes meaningless. You have polygamous groups advocating for their point of view. You have polyamorous groups advocating for their point of view. You have incestuous groups advocating for their point of view. You have an increase in people marrying themselves.

There are actually now wedding services that just work with people marrying themselves. You have the push for polygamy on American media, be it Sister Wives or Big Love or My Five Wives. You have the push for polyamory with shows like Married and Dating.

So you have an ongoing redefining of marriage. And as marriage suffers, the whole culture suffers. You also have a situation where now you legitimize situations where it is guaranteed that a child is either going to have no mother or no father in their upbringing because of the choices that are made. I don't mean someone chose to be gay, but the choices they made to say, okay, we're going to have a same-sex partner at a same-sex wedding.

So now you're talking about children. You're talking about then a very direct impact on other organizations, for example, Catholic Charities, which is one of the nation's largest adoption agencies based in Massachusetts, when Massachusetts changed laws regarding same-sex, quote, marriage, and Catholic Charities said, all right, we cannot in good conscience place a child in a same-sex household, two men or two women, so please give us a religious exemption so we're not required to do that. The state refused to. and they had to go out of the adoption business. because they couldn't do it in a good conscience.

And in point of fact, as long as sexual orientation is a defensible right, Just like you can't discriminate based on skin color or ethnicity.

So if you can't discriminate based on sexual orientation, And I, as a Christian photographer, tell a gay couple I can't shoot your wedding, now I'm guilty of breaking the law. The same thing with gender identity. that I can't tell that man Sir, it's going to be confusing for the three and four-year-olds in our nursery school for you to come in here with a dress and wearing a beard and you're obviously a man that's not going to work. maybe a caricatured picture, but to communicate it, well I'd now be guilty of discrimination based on gender identity. There is an inevitable conflict.

Can I ask you a ten-second question for clarity? Yeah. Well, I think it's like anything else in the law. I mean, it might turn off people if they're thieves, if they do not steal. But it's still the standard.

And if you want to be right with God, we're going to hold up the stinted for you. And You know, if you're the elect, you'll accept it. Right, so but here's the flip side, Alan. that the law says don't steal. My friend Dr.

Frank Turek says that the law can prohibit something, it can permit something, or it can promote something. And once something is declared legal, it now has that that sanction and that promotion. And it is now. pushed in that sense by the court.

So you have stealing is illegal. People can choose to break the law or not, but the law says it's illegal and there's a stigma to being a thief. But the law now says, the Supreme Court ruled and really overreached their authority and bounds, that marriage is now redefined. Therefore, if you oppose that, you're opposing the law. And as Professor Robert Gagdon pointed out several years back, you'll be codified as a bigot.

So we've seen that happen. and therefore it's destructive and deleterious. to let this happen, but there have to be changes of hearts first. before we'll see things change above. Unfortunately, some of these wrong concepts were reinforced by the president and the vice president in recent days.

Alan, great conversation. Thank you for the call. Friends, remember to check out our website, thelineoffire.org. I've got brand new articles, brand new videos. And a special offer for those who become torchbearers this month, thelineoffire.org, my bottom line.

Not only good, not only bad coming from the White House.

So what in the world is happening on our college campuses and universities across America? Um It's time for the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and president of Fire School of Ministry. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH.

That's 866-34-TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. You know, as someone who's been involved in higher education for many years and did all my studies, college and grad school through my PhD at NYU, all at secular universities, Been very much aware of the posture of many universities when it comes to religious issues, when it comes to conservative moral values, but things seem to be building towards a fever pitch today on our Campuses, and I'm joined today on the broadcast by Scott Greer. He's an editor and columnist at the Daily Caller.

His works appeared on Drudge Report, Real Clear Politics, Fox Nation, Breitbart, and numerous other outlets. He's written a new book called No Campus for White Men. The transformation of higher education into hateful indoctrination. Tucker Carlson, as you've seen on Fox News, said higher education is rotting in this country. After g reading Greer's account, you'll think twice before sending your children off to school.

This is a conversation we're going to have today on the line of fire. If you have a question for my guest, 866-3656-8656-86 348-7884. Scott, welcome to the line of fire. Thanks for joining us today. Thanks for having me.

Hey, let's just set things up in this opening segment, which is just a couple minutes long. How did you get focused on this topic and devote enough time to write a whole book on it?

Well, I've been covering education topics for the last four years, and I've just been seeing things getting a lot more extreme, more radical on college campuses in that time that I've covered it and kept an eye on this subject. And I think what originally brought the inspiration was all the madness that was happening in November twenty fifteen at Yale University and the University of Missouri with student protests there and the university president at Missouri getting fired over complaints that he was somehow promoting racism on campus. and all these kind of crazy things. I was like, you know what, what's going on here? What is driving these protests?

Why are these colleges getting becoming more extreme and kind of the rhetoric?

So that was kind of the inspiration for No Campus for White Men. And Scott, would you say that this is just the ongoing natural evolution. of what's happened since a lot of the upheaval since the 60s and the counterculture revolution, or more large-scale secularization of campuses through the 20th century, or is this more of a sudden shift in the last few years? I would say it has some roots in that. It definitely in the 1960s, which changed education at the time.

Education was somewhere where you just went to school, you got your education, fewer people went there, and it was not this kind of like cultural breeding ground for leftism. But the 60s really did change that and how we treat higher education, what students go there.

So it does have its roots in that, especially with kind of the Rhetoric and ideas that are being promoted. But it's also somewhat different because in the 60s they were arguing for free speech, they were arguing against war. Uh there was very kind of traditional left-wing topics that they were arguing for at the time.

Now the issues are all kind of being boiled down to vic uh victimhood culture and identity politics, which weren't really necessarily seen in necessarily the the nineteen sixties upheavals, even though there were a few, 'cause there were like cases of Black Panthers uh taking over student buildings and all that kind of stuff, which has a lot to do with Black Lives Matter activists now trying to do sit-ins at offices and trying to uh push for the same goals there. But I would say that it's a little bit different because right now it's kind of all based on racial and sexual identity, and it's about tearing down the very foundations of campus. And also, it's about suppressing free speech rather than supporting free speech. I mean, that was the example seen last week at UC Berkeley, which was the home of the free speech movement. And now the leftists today are trying to shut down free speech.

Yeah, extraordinarily so. In fact, the man at the center of that, Milan Leonopoulos, one of the more controversial figures in America today, wrote the foreword to this book by Scott Greer, No Campus for White Men, the Transformation of Higher Education into Hateful Indoctrination. We'll explore that when we come back. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown.

Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I'm speaking with Scott Greer, who's the author of a new book, No Campus for White Men. It explains how our campuses have gone from places of higher education to largely hate-filled.

indoctrination. Chapter titles in this book get my attention immediately. The cult of diversity. Political correctness in the age of microaggressions victimhood culture, identity politics, guilt of being white, rape culture, feminism. Greeks Under Siege, Art of the Hoax, and Whither Will Campus Insanity Take America.

The last chapter's got to be scary. Uh, Scott, let's start here. What gives you to write this book? Aren't you a white man yourself? That is correct.

I am a white man myself. I think that's an argument typically used by all the by Campus Left to Shut Down, arguments that they disagree with. They're like, they don't use facts or reason or even or logic. They just say, well, you're white, you can't make that argument. And you need to shut up because you have privilege and the system is built on racism.

Thus, by you stating an opinion, you're not just. It's not just wrong, you're also committing acts of violence against me. Your words are violence against me. And that's how often they shut down their point of view by claiming that. you know, this person's white thus they we can't listen to them, so Uh I guess.

My me writing this book, it's pushing you back in back against that mentality. Yeah, and again, that's the challenge, that it's not a matter of objective truth. It's not a matter of presentation. of rational facts and data. It's a matter of feelings and how I feel is now going to dictate what can and can't be said.

Again, the fact that it's not happening in nursery school, the fact that it's happening in college campuses is what makes this all the more striking.

So Scott, as you've delved into this, we know we can always cherry-pick. We've got a lot of schools in our country. You know you can always grab some shocking statements by a radical leftist professor or someone who's a communist sympathizer or a secret terrorist sympathizer. But how pervasive are these things, these identity politics, this microaggression and victimhood mentality? How pervasive is this from your research?

Well, it's hard to find the strong data on it because schools don't really operate very well in giving out this kind of data. But I think as anecdotally, I have listened to numerous students. It doesn't matter what school they're going to, whether they're going to Ivy Lake School or some small state school in Tennessee, they all kind of agree that they've been seeing a marked change in kind of the Kind of the programs they have to go through and kind of what's going on on campus, how their student newspaper reacts to issues. At the time, I think there's definitely mark shift. I'm only four years out of school, and at my time, I've seen my school, I didn't really deal with this.

I never knew what a trigger warning was. I never got told to check my white privilege or anything like that. But now I'm seeing my old alma mater push for these ideas, like where the student newspaper is now full of trigger warnings when they're reporting on crime. You know, everybody has to go through, you know. They mentioned white privilege at orientation sessions.

These are things that I didn't experience as a college student, and I've just seen becoming more increasing over time, and especially in the last three or four years. All right, so how do we. understand that. And I've written lots of articles about it, talked about it on the radio. I wrote an article once death by a thousand microaggressions and the whole trigger warnings thing.

First, let's just do this. Let's put a few phrases out there and define them. And let's talk about the sudden shift. Again, the book, Scott Greer, No Campus for White Men, defined for me a couple of things. Let's define trigger warnings, microaggressions, and identity politics.

Okay, well trigger warnings is easy. This is basically a warning that's put on a text or a speech that might cause harm to a student's psyche if they see it.

So if you're reading a book, it can be anything, let's just say Homer the Iliad, because that's the type of things that they're going to put a trigger warning. Basically they would have something warning, this material carries scenes of violence and rape and all this stuff that you that certain students aren't going to have.

So the way it's done is that it's in some ways kind of coddling students and treating them like toddlers that they can't handle certain ideas and events, even though they're 21 years old. And it also leads to speech depression because if you because it can also be applied to a political point of view, it's like I'm going to argue against seminism.

Well, and that's doing a newspaper, they're going to put a trigger warning there, and that's going to lead to fewer people reading it.

So it also acts as a speech depressant. Microaggressions are kind of the Unintentional slights are Verbal cues that somehow diminish minorities or lead to prejudice against them. This will be like a joke that you're saying that. Between you and your friends, that somehow another person overhears and takes offense to you, because that well, that uh that's about that perpetuates stereotypes, even though it might not even have a racial bias at all. It's basically anything that could be considered racism that is going to be applied to it.

So if you say that like, oh, well, I it can be just some student like, well, I think Asians are really good at math, that is a microaggression that must be expunged.

So it even goes mainly to a lot of private talks. I outline in my book some examples of where students were just being overheard in like a cafeteria and then they had to face punishment for just saying a joke that somebody else found offensive.

So that's basically what microaggressions are. And then identity politics is basically a form of politics where all of your ideas and beliefs and activism Circulate around your identity that you ascribe to yourself. Say if you're a Black man. that all of your politics is there. It's like, as a black man, I support this.

yada, yada, yada.

So that's basically where everything around your politics is not based on rational argument or coming to this conclusion based on you as a person or as an American. It's based on you as whatever racial or sexual identity you think is most important about yourself and you strive in your politics for. Got it. And the irony of all this is this is supposed to somehow be liberating and freeing and all about equality and tolerance. And it ends up focusing on inequities.

It creates inequities. And it's anything but tolerant. And in fact, it is the opposite of free speech. Allegedly, it's continuing the legacy of the free speech movement, the liberal movement, and it goes in the complete opposite direction. It is thought suppression and thought police and things like that.

So you're saying four years out of school, things are now on campuses that you didn't see. four years ago. Do you think it's the result of divisive leadership by President Obama? Is it the result of cell phone footage of violence against black individuals and that's triggering things on the campus? Can you put your finger on something?

I think Obama definitely deserves some of the blame for this. There's a couple of things. One, he would as President, he would heighten he would highlight all these kind of crimes and stories that were uh centered on race and violence between it. I think there was a case in two thousand nine where a professor was uh arrested by um Harvard professor was arrested by police, which he said the police acted stupidly, which kind of encouraged this idea that. Police are racist.

And then there was his involvement in the Trayvon Martin shooting, where he's like, if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon. and numerous other cases where he would put himself involved in that and would come out on the side of activists. And also his White House issued a decree in 2011 that encouraged schools to have a different standard for how they treat sexual assault that made it Um they made the burden of proof, they reduced that and basically said that somebody doesn't have to necessarily be held to the highest standard of being found guilty. And in normal court of law, that there can be a lower far lower standard because they believe that sexual assault is so out of control that they have to resort to extreme measures.

So the White House encouraged that. And also, I would say the other big part, as you mentioned, is kind of this rise of Black Lives Matter activism, where in public, They see people who are making these statements, who people who have columns in very mainstream papers who are saying that systemic racism is the worst thing in the world. America is still a white supremacist society. Um that the police are murdering blacks left and right. And this kind of rhetoric is seeping into colleges where young people, as always throughout history, are more inclined to radicalism and political activism than the rest of the population.

And I think with colleges already being kind of left leaning as is, it kind of it kind of creates a tinderbox for these ideas. Yeah, absolutely.

Well said. And it's not to say that every issue. Is being wrongly interpreted, or that there's not injustice, or that there's not racism. It's to say that you swing to this radical and even irrational. extreme and when your hands are tied that you well you have white privilege or or You're part of the power problem to start.

It becomes very difficult to address these. In your book, we've just got about 45 seconds before this next break. Are you issuing simply a warning? Are you giving counsel, recommending folks don't send their kids to secular schools? What do we find in no campus for white men?

It's a warning and it's also it's a warning to parents that they should be aware of this problem and even students that they should potential students be aware of this problem. But it's also a call to how to solve these things. But it has to first come to the state legislature and parents and students doing the research and picking schools that respect free speech and are not going to teach their children to hate themselves just by the color of their skin. Got it. All right, friends, we'll be back.

We've got one more segment with Scott Greer, his book, No Campus for White Men. Remember the dream of Dr. Martin Luther King? I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character? Think of it a situation today where we're told, well, color skin comes first.

That's unfortunate. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Friends, if there's any place where we need a moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution, it's on our college campuses. Remember that in the early days of America, colleges like Harvard and then Yale, they were founded first to train people for ministry. and then to train people to be Christians in every area of society. probably the first 225, 250 universities, colleges established in America, so into the 1800s, the vast, vast, vast majority were established by church groups and had certain Christian ethics attached to them. It's hard to imagine how far we've gotten from that.

And obviously, we're not trying to make Yale or Harvard into a seminary again. But how about Solid education and even certain moral and rational grounding, as opposed to the atmosphere on many campuses where there's a lot of learning, but there's also a whole lot of indoctrination. My guest, Scott Greer, his book, No Campus for White Men. Scott, When you look at someone like Milo, who wrote the foreword to your book. And he's got a book coming out in a couple of months that debuted as number one on Amazon.

So he's in the news. Obviously, he's a controversial person. He's flamboyantly gay, and he's unashamedly conservative. And he breaks a lot of rules.

So let's put him in his own unique category. What is it, though? What is it? That he is such a threat to on these campuses that your book explains. If someone just see the news, you see Berkeley.

And the riot's there because Milo's going to speak. And then they go to your book, what are they going to find out that, aha, this is what's happening in the culture. This is the issue on the campuses.

Well, with Milo, the reason why he's seen as a threat is he's ver I mean, as you said, he's very provocative in the way he speaks. He doesn't he's he's very aggressive in his rhetoric. I mean, well, he's he's kind of like a shock shock in it in his way, but that's what's appealing to a lot of young people is that he makes his know he has very smart political commentary, but he makes it very funny and very raunchy in a lot of ways, which makes it which draws large crowds of young people to see him. But at the same time that makes it him more likely to offend the campus leftists on on campus, and especially when he speaks out against Mass immigration against Islam, against Black Lives Matter, people don't see that as him, you know. Engaging in political commentary, they think of him as engaging in hate speech, and that's what they always say.

There's a lot of people who are trying to suppress his book because, well, this book isn't legitimate political discourse, this is hate speech. Why is it hate speech? You know, define what hate speech is. Is it just something that offends somebody, or is it something that is You know, actually going to cause violence towards it. But it really just boils down to this offends me, thus I'm going to say it's hate speech and.

Hopefully that uh suppresses it, but little do they know that the Constitution protects hate speech because One person's hate speech is another person's uh, you know, brave and courageous uh free speech.

So you see these the reason why he's kind of put this is that he kind of pushes himself out there as Most provocative person. He has no concerns about going into campuses that are hotbeds of leftism and just speaking his mind as outrageously as he wants. And they see him as a threat, and that's why they kind of uh try to commit violence against him to try to shut him down and use any means necessary to make sure that he doesn't have a right to free speech. Yeah, well summarized. And again, we're not looking at him as the Christian model or the godly model as much as someone that's kind of a Tip of a very bloody spear right now, assaulting these strongholds on campus and bringing a lot of stuff up to the surface.

Well, two questions for you in the time we have left. The last chapter of the book, you talk about where things are going, but then you have an epilogue with the election of Donald Trump and what that could mean.

So, first, where do you take us in the last chapter? Where are things heading? on our campuses? Or what's what's already here that maybe people don't know about? And then How does the election of Donald Trump factor into all this?

Well, what I'm seeing on campus is that things are getting a lot more extreme, especially with the election of Donald Trump. I think the identity politics is only becoming more amped up, that people are dividing into more groups on campus, that people will just see each other as not as fellow students or fellows as Americans. They see each other, well, this person's white, this person's black, this is Hispanic, and that's how I define them as a person, based on the color of their skin or their sexual orientation. And that's only going to get more extreme, as I've seen, because with schools pushing more curriculum that's based on America's always been white supremacists, it's evil, it's racism, white people are bad. And thus, you as black person aren't good, and you should push for your own racial interests and not push.

for what's the best for the nation or the student body.

So I've seen that as only getting more extreme. Um 'Cause I I mean, everything gets more radical. Even when I was uh finishing up the book in the fall, I was seeing campuses getting more radicals and more ludicrous events happening on campus. Than what I had seen in the previous year.

So I was like, this is only going to get worse. But with Donald Trump, There's both hope and even further radicalization because kids are just now going crazy that he won and he wasn't their preferred candidate.

So now they're just going more radical. I think that I saw Milo protests last spring, and they were nowhere near as violent, as aggressive as they were in Berkeley. I mean, they were still pretty I mean tense people would be shouting, you know, you're a racist for going to this Milo talk. But now, you know, they're hitting people with shovels and burning up parts of the campus and like trying to attack anybody that's doing that. I didn't even see that before last spring, even when there were strong protests against them.

And I think that's all due to Trump because he is radicalizing these leftists and making them more extreme. At the same time, he's more willing to use the power of the government to push back against that. And, you know, right when he the morning after the Milo riots, he said, if UC Berkeley is not going to protect free speech, we're going to defund it. That sends a warning sign to these schools to change their act and start pushing back at the campus agitators. And I think with Trump and with Republican, you know, several Republican controlled Statehouses, there is going to be significant pushback, especially with Trump in charge and him using the power of the bully pulpit against these campus leftists.

Yeah, it really things have been brought to a much Greater fever pitch and the potential really is they could go in either direction. My hope is that the radical activists continue to overplay their hand to the point that people just recognize this is unmanageable. University of Chicago trying to shut down the microaggression stuff and then a pushback against it. But at a certain point, rational discourse has to prevail because this is completely self-defeating. And then the campuses just become hotbeds of radicalism.

Hey, Scott, I appreciate you doing the research and work on this. Again, the book, No Campus for White Men. The author Scott Greer, I wish you a lot of success in getting the message out. Yeah, thanks for having me on. You bet.

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Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Toss the white. He's in! Patriots win the Super Bowl!

Brady has his fifth! What a comeback! You know, it's amazing. Not just the extraordinary game, the extraordinary comeback, the worst choke of all time in NFL sports, the greatest comeback in NFL sports. But the fact that it's being politicized because Robert Kraft, the owner of the Patriots, and Tom Brady, the MVP quarterback of the Patriots, were pro-Trump or friendly with Trump.

So people are saying, Well, you're not my Super Bowl champs, and all of this. And then others saying, Hey, look, just like Donald Trump came back against Hillary Clinton and overcame all odds, the Patriots came back and said, This is a win for the Patriots. Let me just say this. What it is is a reminder that anything can happen. And that even though nothing like this ever happened before, Anything could happen.

And if it could happen on the sports field, if it could happen in the political realm, it could happen spiritually. In fact, in fact, Let's say there was no divine intervention in the game at all. It just played out the way it played out. Let's say that was it. Let's say there was no divine intervention in the presidential elections, and they just played out the way they played out.

Let's just say that. I'm far more suspicious of that in the second case than in the first case. But let's just say that. Let's just say that. How much more should we believe that anything could happen and all kinds of radical change could come?

in the spiritual realm, because with God all things are possible. Thank you for joining us on the broadcast today. Michael Brown, no, this is not Sports Talk Radio. I'm sure this is going to be a big week for Sports Talk Radio. Those in Atlanta utterly crushed.

I did feel bad for the owner. When he was down on the field and it looked just like victory was inevitable, obviously you have to feel bad for him. And obviously, it was extraordinary effort on the part of the Patriots, but. Please hear me. I am not saying that if you didn't like the outcome of the football game, you're not a patriot of America.

I am not saying that if you didn't vote for Donald Trump, you're not a patriot. No, no, no. Simply saying, yeah. Anything could happen not just on the sports field, not just in the presidential elections, but in the nation. And I, for one.

And believing God to do impossible things in the days ahead. My hope is not in the White House. My hope is in God. and I don't see why I should not think that anything is possible in the spiritual realm when I see the things happening in the natural realm around me. 866-348-7884.

It looks like the president's executive order, the temporary travel ban from refugees, refugees from seven countries, that that is going to go to the Supreme Court for a ruling. Certainly not what the president expected when he issued that. My question is, how should we be responding as believers. Did you hear about the street preacher? in England Who was Locked up.

He was put in jail. and subjected to Inquisition of sorts, because he quoted the Bible to a gay teenager. He quoted the Bible to a gay teenager and did not bash him with scripture, did not attack him, quoted the Bible to a gay teenager, and ended up goin' to jail. He was charged by police after telling the story of Adam and Eve to a 19-year-old who asked him about God's view on homosexuality. The kid...

The teenager asked him. About God's view, or what does your Bible say about this? He explained that God created Adam and Eve to produce children. Within minutes, as reported in Telegraph, UK. Within minutes, he was frog marched to a police van, accused of threatening or abusive behavior, quote, aggravated by prejudice relating to sexual orientation, despite not swearing or using any form of.

Offensive liners. been a night in custody, could have faced a six-month ordeal. God of light Here are It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr.

Michael Brown. Welcome, welcome to the line of fire, 866-348-7885. Yeah. Uh let me play two clips for you. This is Vice President Mike Pence.

He's on ABC's this week with George Stephanopoulos. Earlier in the show, I played the first clip. I want to play them both for you. They're. was a A bill or an order.

that was being circulated put forth by conservative Christians close to President Trump. that would reverse some of the aggressive legislation that had been signed into law by President Obama. that would put categories of sexual orientation and gender identity in the same place as categories like race or ethnicity. And therefore, if you had an ethical or moral issue, religious issue with one of these things, you could be guilty of discrimination. And the word was, and there were concerns, I was reading the concerns in the liberal press and reading the concerns on gay websites that this was going to happen.

And that this would undo a lot of what President Obama did. And instead, Uh apparently the reports say Through the influence of Donald Trump's daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner, that the opposite happened. and that the President put forth a bill. an executive order saying that they would reinforce and stand with the Obama legislation on LGBT issues. This is federal employees and things like that.

Something happened in Indiana a couple years ago. which causes me to have even deeper concerns because it involved Mike Pence when he was governor. And I want you to hear this, and then I want to lay something out for your consideration. 866-366666666666 3487884. And then we'll talk about.

our response to the travel ban. We'll see how the Supreme Court decides on that as we understand that it will go to the Supreme Court. All right, let's go back to clip number one, JJ. Again, George Stephanopoulos interviewing Vice President Mike Pence. President Trump decided this week to let stand President Obama's executive order on LGBT rights, and it prompted this question from a prominent social conservative, Bob Vanderplatz.

He said, Our base is wondering why Obama's executive order is allowed to stand. What's the answer? I think throughout the campaign, President Trump made it clear that discrimination would have no place in our administration. I mean, he was the very first. Republican nominee to mention the LGBTQ community at our Republican National Convention and was applauded for it.

And I was there applauding with him. I think the generosity of his spirit. Recognizing that in the patriot's heart there's no room for prejudice is part of who this president is. All right, in the patriot's heart there is no room for prejudice. Therefore, If you do not see.

If you do not see sexual orientation on the same level as skin color. If you do not see, gender identity on the same line as ethnicity. Does that mean there's prejudice in your heart? Seriously? That's a matter of Prejudice?

All right. This is a matter of discrimination? Really? All right, let's listen to that conversation continuing. With Vice President Mike Pence.

I think there's a growing recognition in the world community. That there is a There's a new style of leadership, not just a new leader. in the White House. President Trump is bringing a very candid and direct type of leadership to the White House. And in conversations with leaders around the world, frankly, I think they all find it very refreshing.

Uh-huh. All right, now let's uh jump down. Jump down to clip number four. This is President Trump interview with Fox News's Bill O'Reilly. Released Saturday, the full interview aired Sunday before the Super Bowl talking about uh Vladimir Putin.

Let's listen to Donald Trump's response to that. I do respect him. Why?

Well, I respect a lot of people, but that doesn't mean I'm going to get along with him. He's a leader of his country. I say it's better to get along with Russia than not. Will I get along with them? I have no idea.

It's very killer. Putin's a killer. A lot of killers. I've got a lot of killers.

Well, you think our country's so innocent?

Okay, now the three separate things here, three separate things. The president letting the Barack Obama, former President Obama's executive order on LGBT issues stand. And then Mike Pence associating that with, well, we're against discrimination and prejudice. That's number one. Number two.

Former governor, now Vice President Pence, saying there's a new kind of leadership and international leaders appreciate the type of leadership of Donald Trump. I'm sure some do, for sure. and others don't. And then number three, Donald Trump's Comments about Putin. You say, all right, what's the connection between the three?

Here's the connection. Even if you are a staunch supporter of Donald Trump. There is a mixture here, an undeniable mixture. With some very positive aspects and some potentially dangerous aspects.

Now, look, I don't know everything that is motivating. President Trump when it comes to his comments concerning Putin. And yes, America is far from innocent as a nation, obviously. But I believe it was former world chess champion Garry Kasparov, often considered the greatest chess player of all time, was a staunch opponent of Vladimir Putin and current Russian leadership. Uh he said I'm I'm almost sure it was him uh tweeted it out that This is like comparing Jack the Ripper to a surgeon because they both use sharp knives.

to compare Vladimir Putin to America because there are many people in the opposition, the high-level journalists and political leaders who have died. People say, well, Putin's had them killed. Has he or not? That's... That's the debate.

But my point is, you are, even as Donald Trump, on the one hand, does something very important for the Supreme Court and very important for pro-life. and nominates Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court to replace Antonin Scalia. At the same time, he does something very negative. on a national level. saying that he's going to let stand the executive order.

concerning LGBT issues. And then Governor Pence adds to the confusion by saying, well, there's going to be no prejudice or discrimination. There's no prejudice in the heart of a patriot. It's got nothing to do with prejudice. To say, I don't believe two men marrying or two women marrying are valid marriages in God's sight or are what's best for society or what our founders intended by laws concerning marriage or recognition of marriage in our earliest documents.

I don't believe it's best for kids being raised in environments like this and on and on. It's got nothing to do with prejudice or discrimination. For some, it might be. For plenty of others, it's completely unrelated to that. It's a moral view, it's a social view, it's a religious view, it's all of the above.

To equate that now with discrimination and prejudice is to play into the talking points of gay and lesbian activists.

Now Here's why this concerns me all the more. that this came from that this came from Our Vice President. I understand and have said throughout the campaign that it was clear. that Donald Trump stood for religious liberty very, very strongly. And And that he absolutely wanted to protect freedoms for LGBT Americans.

and that he had not responded to questions and perhaps not worked through the question, okay, what happens when they both come into conflict? because it's inevitable they do. They come into conflict all the time. They've come into conflict readily for several years.

Now they're going to come into conflict.

So which gets the preference? Which gets the priority? Which comes first, religious liberties? or sexual freedoms or identity freedoms or whatever category you want to put them. What comes first?

when the clash comes. Why I'm especially disappointed Yeah. Vice President Pence saying this is One, he is committed conservative Christian according to everything that I know. and should know better Then Walking right into these talking points. I understand it sounds great to say, well, look, this is always who President Trump's been.

I understand that. President Trump had his friend Peter Thiel speak at at the Republican National Convention and he's an openly gay man and spoke out as an openly gay man and he's close to the president. I understand that. I understand that President Trump wanted one of the vetting questions to, you know, you've got a Muslim refugee coming in. What are your views about homosexuality?

Things like that. He doesn't want someone to come in and want to kill gays. I'm all for that. Yes. By all means, don't let someone come in our country who wants to kill gays.

Horace. But the problem is, if you ask a Christian what's your view on homosexuality, they could say it's sinful or it's wrong or it's sinful in God's sight or I'm against it. Where would that put them? Where would they come out then in the vetting process? Of course, they don't want to do violence if they're true Christians, but if they're true Christians, they're also going to hold to a biblical view on this.

But the reason, though, that it's all the more disappointing with Vice President Pence is because he should have known better because what happened in Indiana? When he signed into law A state version of the Riffer Bill Religious Freedom Restoration Act mirroring the federal bill. which passed under President Clinton. When he signed that into law, there was a massive pushback from biggest companies in America and so on. And they said, okay, we'll fix it.

And within a week, they made it worse than it was before. The same things just happened now. Same thing has just happened now. If you're a strong supporter of President Trump, understand there are others close to him in the White House with a different ideology. Change the world.

Oh, God of burning, cleansing flames. Say And the fire. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Thanks for being part of the broadcast today. Hey. If you pray for me on a regular basis or semi-regular basis, would you especially pray for me tomorrow and Wednesday?

We are launching a brand new TV show on God TV called The Word on Fire. We just launched one at the beginning of the year, so it's been out about a month now called Ask Me Anything. And on that show, I answer questions sent in to God TV by viewers. This airs all around the world. In fact, they're so big around the world that their smaller audience is in America.

Bigger audience would be in a country like India or Africa or something like that, or Europe perhaps.

So Ask Me Anything is a five-minute show. Where I respond, we record the shows in our radio video studio and then send them over to God TV. And then those air five days a week, five minutes a day. But we're going to have a full-blown preaching show where I really get to pour my heart out about the real gospel, about holiness, about revival, about what it means to be a disciple. Things that have been burning in my heart for many, many years, we get to lay out for the viewers on God TV.

And it's a great and growing audience worldwide. And I'm going to be recording a bunch of shows tomorrow and Wednesday.

So we'll have a radio broadcast here right for you, right on the line of fire. And I'm going to be recording these shows. Pray for supernatural grace. I'm in the midst of a very intense, unusually grueling schedule.

So pray for grace. Pray for holy fire as I speak, for the word to come forth with real clarity and for many, many hearts to be pierced and pricked around the world and across America. Would you do that? Even if it's just 30 seconds or when the broadcast ends or just stop listening to me for a minute now and pray, if you'd pray, I'd really appreciate it. And some of you, if you really get the burden, just really take it to the Lord.

And together, friends, we can touch. many, many people. Let me go back to America, excuse me, back to England, and then we come back to America. All right. So here's this story in England.

A 42-year-old father of one, Gordon Larmore. Is street preaching, all right? He's a Christian evangelist. He's street preaching, and a nineteen-year-old. man comes up to him.

All right, 19-year-old guy comes up to him. identified as a gay teenager. And he asks the preacher about God's view on homosexuality. And the preacher refers to the book of Genesis. All right, Gordon Larmore refers in the Genesis, states that God created Adam and Eve to produce children.

And then as the evangelist is walking away, the young person keeps following him. If there was anything inappropriate, it was the young man following him, according to reports I've read. Who ends up getting arrested? The the street preacher.

Okay, he's accused of threatening or abusive behavior, quote, aggravated by prejudice. Notice that word prejudice. relating to sexual orientation. despite not swearing or using any form of offensive language.

So he spends the night in custody. and he faced a six-month ordeal. before sheriff cleared him of any Blame. Yeah. Uh Now here's the issue.

He says this to the Scottish Mail on Sunday. I can't see why I was arrested in the first place. It was a massive overreaction and a waste of everyone's time. The police didn't listen to me. They took the young homosexual guy's side straight away and read me my rights.

I feel they try so hard to appear like they are protecting minorities. They go too far the other way. I want to be able to tell people the good word of the gospel, and I think I should be free to do so. I wasn't speaking my opinions. I was quoting from the Bible.

And according to Andrew Williams, chief executive of the Christian Legal Center, it is a great relief that the judge ruled in favor of Gordon because the case simply did not stand up to. Scrutiny. All right. And as people are walking by, a group of young men pass them by, it's July 17th. 7:30 in the evening.

He told them, Don't forget Jesus loves you and He died for your sins. One asked him, What does your God say about homosexuals? The two argued. Mr. Larmor claimed he was chased by the young man.

However, he was the one arrested when the police. arrived. And in court, one of the friends of the young man told the truth that I hadn't, he said that I hadn't assaulted him or called him homophobic names. I simply answered his question, told him about Adam and Eve and the heaven and hell. Preaching from the Bible is not a crime.

Okay, why do I raise this? Notice the word. prejudice. Prejudice. This is part of the arrest.

He was accused of threatening or abusive behavior. Quote. Aggravated by prejudice relating to sexual orientation. This is how these laws are abused. This is how these laws are used.

This is how these things then infringe on Christian rights. In this case, the right of a Christian to be passing out tracts, sharing with people about the gospel, and giving an honest answer. Giving an honest answer and simply saying, this is what the Bible says, and not even saying homosexual practice is sinful, simply saying God created Adam and Eve, God's desire is procreation, he made men for women, women for men, etc.

So when when Vice President Penn says yes, President Trump is allowing President Obama's order to stand, and this was a radical order that would now codify you as prejudiced or bigoted or discriminating if you took issue with certain things in LGBT. Community. For example, you differed with two people, quote, marrying of the same sex. You differed with hiring a 45-year-old male who identifies as a woman and wears a dress to work at your nursery school because you thought it would be confusing for the kids.

Now you're not just guilty of breaking the law in certain cases. You can be codified as a prejudiced bigot, guilty of discrimination. That's why we have to really say, okay, Mr. President, Mr. Vice President, do you see where this is going?

Trust me, many of us have been trying to get that message to the administration, and there's a battle. for the direction this administration takes. It's all set and going in the direction of pro-life. It is not clearly set in terms of which way it's going to go, which will prevail. religious liberty or sexual liberty.

which will win truth or identity. Politics. It hangs in the balance right now. And listen, when it comes to the president's executive ban, executive order temporarily banning refugees from seven countries. Yes, it should have been implemented more wisely, rolled out more carefully.

There would have been less confusion and less fuel for the fire of the critics. of the President. Absolutely. But that being Said. The order itself was not that extreme.

There are certain cases that could have been looked at more carefully. The Christian position should be, in my view, in my view. We concentrate on compassion. We concentrate on helping the poor, the needy, the refugee, and we're going to do our very best to continue to do that. at the same time.

We recognize the government needs to concentrate on security. If this is temporary with a limitation on countries and we can do our best to minimize hurt and harm to those that were coming in legitimately, then let's work with the government and then let us make ourselves fully available to help with the resettlement of refugees so that we can be The entry point. The church can be the entry point for many coming in. And as they resettle, be it Muslims or Christians, into their own communities through ongoing compassion and outreach, we can make a difference in their hearts and in their minds. Make sure you download our app, Ask Dr.

Brown. It's now available for Android very soon for. iPhone, ASKDR Brown, download today. My bottom line, again, let the government do its job and let the church do its job. Yeah.