Why We Can't Avoid the Culture Wars; Standing Up to the Bullies; And Answers to Your Emails

You know people wonder, should we be involved in the culture wars? I'll tell you, they're unavoidable. It's time for The Line of Fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and president of Fire School of Ministry.

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Because they're fires. Why do you have police? Because there's crime. There are certain things in this world that are unavoidable. And if you truly love God and love your neighbor, The culture wars are a Yeah.

avoidable. This is Michael Brown. Welcome, welcome to the line of fire. Remember to call 866-34 Truth-866-3422. 487884.

A little later in the broadcast, I'm going to speak to Chris Doyle about a very important initiative he's taken, standing up to the bullies. That'll be about a half hour from now. Second hour, I want to answer a lot of your questions that you've been sending my way and comment on a lot of other things in the news. Got some great audio clips for you. A whole lot coming your way today on the line of fire.

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So I I'm often asked, well, Why are you involved in dealing with cultural issues? Why are you involved in dealing with social issues? Come on, you're an ordained minister. I've got a PhD and a professor and so on, radio host, whatever. You're an ordained minister.

Come on, Mike. You're an ordained minister. You preach around the world. You've written books on holiness and spiritual revival and things like that. Why are you involved in the cultural issues?

Well, I can tell you personally There's a calling. There's a calling for me to be your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. I have a specific mandate from the Lord to get involved with certain issues. God laid it on my heart over a dozen years ago to get involved in standing against LGBT activism while at the same time reaching out to those who identify as gay and lesbian.

So, I've had a specific calling and mandate from the Lord to do it. But I could give you a more simple answer. Why am I involved in the culture wars? Because I live in this world. Because I live in the midst of this culture.

Because there's water coming into our boat and we need to bail the water and shore up the boat. It's that simple. It's because there's a fire, so the firemen come to put the fire out, and then work to prevent fires. It's that simple. I asked a friend of mine who's sacrificed a lot to stand for righteousness.

And he is one of the most hated men in the country when it comes to exposing aspects of LGBT activism. And I asked him, Won't you stop, man? Why don't you stop? I mean. This is, you know, there's no funding for it.

You're battered and attacked for it all the time. Why don't you just stop? And he said, I'll stop when they stop. What happens when issues come up in your local Boy Scout troops and your kids are in the Boy Scout. What happens when things happen in school?

and your kid comes home from school. What happens when you're confronted with issues in your place of business? and on and on it goes. These are unavoidable issues. I had a top Christian attorney on the air with me yesterday.

a man who I believe by nature is full of hope and optimism, yet he gave a very sobering word. He said that it could well be in days to come, that the government will tell Christian schools and home schooling parents what you can and can't teach. Yeah. And that Christian schools say with law programs and law schools.

So universities that they could be told by the government We don't recognize your law degrees. You could go to be a lawyer, but then you couldn't practice. You say oh, that sounds crazy. Friends. None of this is crazy.

None of this is far-fetched. And there have been attempts to do these very things in other countries already. We can't avoid the culture wars if we love God, love our neighbor. We can't. I'll make it plain when we come back.

It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Invariably, people ask Sydney.

Why don't you just join the Girl Scouts? It's like saying, like, just because you're a girl, you should be part of this and this, 'cause, like, it's for girls. Yeah, what's such a problem with a girl? Being part of the boy scouts.

Now this is a little different. This is not a girl who identifies as a boy. At least that's not how the story starts. There's an article I'm looking at. Meet the teenage girl who wants to be a Boy Scout on NPR.

So on their radio show a couple days back. And Sidney Ireland, who's 16, has been part of the Boy Scouts since she was 4. She started tagging along with her older brother, became an unofficial but enthusiastic participant. No one seemed to care about having a girl around. Sidney didn't think about it either until she was about 10 or 11.

And she said, Yeah, one time I was on a camping trip and somebody said, Like, why are you here? Like, why a girl was there? It's a fair question. It was kind of like I didn't really think about gender as much until then. Yeah, well, now you're becoming Now you're becoming a young woman.

And the boys who at eight or nine weren't thinking about gender and sexuality and romance and those kind of things at eleven, twelve, thirteen, now they are.

So let's just listen to this, and I'm speaking to you about something very specific. this segment of the show. Why is it that we don't just avoid the culture wars? And my answer is because we live in this world. We live in this world, and these things are unavoidable.

The question is, how will we deal with them? How will we respond as believers? How will we respond as followers of Jesus? 866-348-7884 is the number two call. Let's go to clip number five.

One time I was on a camping trip and somebody said, like, why are you here? Like, why a girl was there? It's a fair question. But it was kind of like, I didn't really think about gender as much until then. Right now, they're like discriminating against girls, and I'm just like, I'm just calling it as it is.

Discriminate against girls. It makes a difference when I read that clip versus hearing it out of her own. mouth, and you realize that's that's a young lady. Speaking. That's a young lady, but hey, the times they are changing, right?

Didn't Bob Dylan sing that back in the 1960s? And now we're in the year 2017. Clip number seven. Danielle Jacobs, who lives near Santa Rosa, California, led a troupe of girls a few years back called the Unicorns. They wanted to be official members of the Boy Scouts and got some media coverage about it.

Boy Scouts were chartered in nineteen sixteen. There's a lot that's changed since then. And so I think for them to say, well, it was created only for boys is. Yeah. Well, you know, women didn't used to get to vote.

Uh Yeah. Yeah. I Is it The lack of logic there leaves me almost speechless. Hey, I'm a talker. It takes a lot to leave me.

Almost Speechless.

Alright. A lot has changed since nineteen sixteen. Yeah, that's true. But boys are still boys and girls are still girls Yeah, but girls couldn't vote. back in the past.

Right. Voting has nothing to do with gender, does it? Girls still don't use a urinal, even though times have changed, because certain things are gender specific. Men don't get periods, even though times have changed. Certain things are gender and sex specific.

And we have Girl Scouts. Didn't have Girl Scouts at the beginning, but we have Girl Scouts. We've had Girl Scouts for many years. You say, okay, well, what's this got to do with culture wars? Really simple.

There is a push now. An increasing push. to accept Children, however, they identify.

So, a 14-year-old girl identifies as a boy, goes with the Boy Scouts. A 14-year-old boy who identifies with a girl goes with the Girl Scouts. And this is official policy. Recent and Girl Scouts, for example, have been very active in other ways that lean strongly left. Major Catholic organizations pulling out of working with the Girl Scouts for this very reason.

represent our values anymore. You represent things that are contrary to our values. We're not talking about religious indoctrination, we're talking about certain moral values.

So, you got your kid in the Boy Scouts.

Now, you're going to have maybe an openly gay scout leader. How do you feel about that? In other words, you have to interact. This is the world in which we live. All right, do you pull out?

Do you reach out? You find common ground, you put up certain parameters, you have to respond because we live in this world. You you have you have uh uh an issue, say, with your school. Your kid comes home from school, and maybe they're in middle school, and they start talking about something in a sex ed class. You say, What?

Wha what were what were you talking about in the class? Yeah, then when I was talking about this, I felt a little uncomfortable and you start looking at the textbook and the illustrations. You think, what in the world?

Well, now you're involved in the culture wars Are you just going to say, Well, we're in the world, not of it?

Okay, well what do you do with your kid now? What do you do with your kid getting exposed to that? Or that will go a step further. Your 14-year-old girl tells your mom and dad I need to have a serious talk with you tonight.

Okay, honey, we're free. Let's talk after dinner. You need to talk in private? Yeah, with just the three of us.

Okay. Mom, Dad, I'm gay, and I've got a girlfriend, and I want you to know it, and I believe God is fine with it. Whoa. What do you do?

Well, honey, that's great. Thanks for telling us, and I hope you have a nice life. That's it? No, you're involved. You're you're involved.

You you are You you are Uh You are in a situation where you have no choice but to be involved. That's your kid Let's say you are committed followers of Jesus, you believe the Scriptures. How do you respond? Do you know what she's going through? Do you know how to react to her, or not react, but respond?

Can you bring grace and truth together? What if she says, I'm attracted to the same sex, but I don't like it? How do you respond to that? What if she says, I've been researching this, and I'm sure God's fine with it? What do you say?

You are now involved in the culture wars. This is, friends, like it or not. It's the world in which we live. And these things are unavoidable. We're either going to be equipped or unequipped.

We're either going to be forewarned and ready and full of love and full of truth, or we're not going to be ready and we're not going to be forewarned. And these things are going to catch us off guard. And they've been catching us off guard for years and years and years now. Why? Because we we we haven't wanted to listen.

All right, I I I want it I want to use an illustration. For you, all right? I was working out today with my trainer. And he said, we're going to hit the legs in. We had an hour to work out, 55 minutes actually.

Then I had to do a radio interview five minutes after that.

So I said, we got to end at this specific time. He said, all right, the number today, magic number is a thousand. We're doing a thousand leg reps. And this is all without weights and using steps and other things. But it was painful.

I'm in pain right now. You know, a hundred of each, a thousand reps, and get it done within 55 minutes. And I was saying to him, so why is it? that there's pain. I mean this is a good thing.

The exercise is a good thing. Why is it that there's pain? And and he said he said that You're tearing tissue, that the body is going to kind of go a certain way, and you're tearing tissue. And then this is how you're going to build muscle and things like that. And I said, so what's interesting is that the body tends towards complacency.

The body would rather sleep in than get up, right? The body would rather not stretch than stretch. The body would rather Lay there, then exercise and push. That's just the the nature of the body, probably because of the fall. And in order to get healthier and stronger, to exercise.

You have to fight against that because complacency, to use terms not for the body, but just for morality and for spiritual alertness, complacency leads to apathy. Yes? Leads to atrophy in the body.

So Here's what happens now. that we must fight against that. And when you fight against that, there is resistance. But then that is how you grow. It is the exact same thing spiritually, friends.

just as it is in the body, It is the same way spiritually. That we must resist the tendency to be complacent. Complacency leads to atrophy. We must fight against that and be vigilant and understand that there are issues we cannot avoid. Look, there are schools that are facing this schools in Canada.

There was a move a few years back, I believe, in Ontario. That if you were a home-schooling parent, you could not teach your kids what the Bible said about homosexual practice. because it was against what Canada said about two men or two women, quote, marrying and things like that. And in your own time as family, you could talk about these things, but not during homeschooling time. What?

They're gonna monitor that? There was a university. And they have a law school. And the Law Association of Canada said, we're not going to recognize your law degrees because you hold to certain Christian values. These are real issues, friends.

So are we going to be equipped? To walk in love and truth? Or are we going to be ill-equipped? That's the question. We're in the war.

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That's all the information I have in front of me right now. But isn't this the third act of violence now? Uh is isn't it And the last week or so on a college campus, am I wrong? I think there have been three acts of violence with with someone killed. a college campus.

And then there was a a shooting at a pool. A white man apparently targeting blacks. There is campus violence with blacks apparently targeting whites. Um Or black men are tar targeting whites? Just a lot of upheaval.

A lot of upheaval. I don't know if there's a spike. It was just a few reports that come in a few days. But a lot of upheaval. all around us.

I mean that's Self-evident. Yeah, I know we get more news. We have cell phones and everything instant in front of us, but I think there is a spike as well. All right, so just a couple more minutes, a couple more minutes on this issue of culture wars, all right. Uh You're going about your business, right?

You're just working your job. And suddenly you're in the culture wars. You're asked to do something that violates your convictions. What do you do?

Yeah well, you know what? I think we should just retreat. Oh oh yeah, really? Retreat where? Where are we going to go?

They were multiplied tens of millions. of born-again believers, followers of Jesus in America, multiply tens of millions. And people put the numbers at different places, how many evangelicals or born-again believers in general, and things like that. But is it seventy, eighty million people? Number, okay?

It's a high number.

So, uh Where do we go? And how do we live? You know, we just need to retreat. Oh, okay. Where are we going to retreat?

What places are we all going to populate in? And then how are we going to live and be sustained? and on and on. It is completely preposterous. It's one thing for an individual to say, Man, I got to clear my head, I got to get out of here for a while.

and you go on a retreat. Or you have a place where people can go and spend a few days, or you know, someone can maybe even break away from life and take off a few weeks or longer or something like that. Oh, okay. But you we don't just all retreat and hang on We're not called to retreat We're not called to retreat. We're called to go into all the world and make disciples.

You say, well, that's what I'm going to concentrate on. I won't get involved in the culture of war. You're missing the point. Because if you're a disciple, you're involved. Because now you're a follower of Jesus and someone comes to your place of business and asks you to do something you can't do in good conscience and you politely decline the business as you have every right to do.

Next thing you're in court. and next thing you've lost your business. And next thing you're being reviled nationally. You're in the culture wars like it or not. Uh so from family?

to business to the the courts? Two uh you know boy scouts girl scouts and and again I played the clip about the girl that's tagged along with the Boy Scouts all these years.

Okay, that. That's a bit of a separate issue to me. as opposed to Here's an openly gay kit. Right, he's he's 14 years old, he's openly gay. And he's hanging out with other boys.

Isn't he attracted to other boys if he identifies? Yes. And he's out and proud about it. Could it make some other boys a little uncomfortable? Because they don't like him flirting with them, and that's why there's Boy Scouts versus Girl Scouts for the sleepover and things like that.

I'm not saying the kid's a sexual predator, I'm saying he's a 14-year-old. And he's with other boys and he's attracted to them. You're now involved in the culture wars. What are you going to do about it? And on and on it goes.

Uh look. Let's let's make this more broad. If you love Your neighbor. If you love your neighbor, what about abortion? What about that?

Here, I've got a story from a professor at Purdue who's having a debate about abortion. Uh this is on Breitbart.com. A professor at Purdue University argued that images of aborted babies constitute child pornography. Yeah, uh-huh. There was a debate, is abortion a moral injustice?

Professor David Sanders, an associate professor of biology at Purdue University, accused pro-lifers who use images of aborted fetuses of participating in child pornography activities. I his debate opponent was Seth Dreyer pro-life activist. And he said the displaying of images of dismembered preborn children in public have long been considered protected political speech by federal courts, where displaying child pornography is a criminal act punishable with up to 30 years maximum in prison. Look, if you love your neighbor, what about your neighbor in the womb? What about that?

Do we just stand back and do nothing? Was that the mentality during the time of slavery? How do we feel about the Christians that did nothing in the time of the Holocaust?

Now here's the difference, though. Here's the difference. They knew. If they did something. if they tried to shelter a Jew or something like that.

or if they they even thought that they would preach from the pulpit something they were forbidden to preach. They knew. What was coming their way? They knew. They could die.

and probably die a horrific death. They knew they could be subject to horrific torture. They knew Every atrocity could be carried out against their family. And yet there were some courageous enough to stand and do the right things. Friends, we don't have that hanging over our heads.

We do not have that hanging over our heads. No one right now is gonna kill us. for preaching the gospel in America. or for opposing LGBT activism. or for standing up for the life of the unborn.

Oh, you may have a lunatic out there that's going to kill you, but you've got lunatics that'll just kill you over nothing. I'm saying there is no government entity, no government agency, in fact. Tonight Reverend James Robinson, Pastor Jack Graham, others on the Faith Advisory Council. many of them deeply solid committed born-again Bible-believing Christians. They're meeting with President Trump for dinner at his invitation.

And word is tomorrow with National Day of Prayer that he will be releasing his executive order on religious freedoms. And hopefully, we shall see, hopefully it's going to be something significant. It's going to be something substantial. What's stopping us from speaking up and doing what's right? Friends, let's not be cowardly, let's not be wimps.

Let's walk in love and truth. Come on, we don't have a choice. It's the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.

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Yeah. In a moment, uh we should be connecting with Chris Doyle. And Matt, just see if we can chase him down. He's supposed to be on the air with us right now, actually. And we're only getting his voicemail.

But Chris is is taking on the bullies. Chris is taking a stand. He's a psychotherapist, an educator. An author, he's the director of the International Healing Foundation and himself former homosexual. He's overcome sexual abuse in his own life and knows both personally and professionally what it takes to heal trauma.

He is married with three children. And uh Let me give you the background for this, all right? Let me give you the background. The Supreme Court decided this week not to here. not to hear A challenge to a ruling in California, banning.

professional counseling for minors with unwanted same-sex attraction. California is one of several states. that have passed this law.

So what exactly does it mean? All right. Your mom and dad? You've got a son who's 17. When he was ten years old he was sexually abused by an uncle.

You found that out recently. he's confused about his sexuality. He finds himself attracted to the same sex, but he's not comfortable with it. He's not happy with it. It it he he wants to marry a woman and and have kids of his own, but he's not attracted to women.

finds himself exclusively attracted to males. And he He's struggling. He wants counsel. He wants to get to the root of his same-sex attractions. and see a professional counselor.

He's seventeen years old. You, Mom and Dad, you affirm him and say hey We're standing with you. Let's go get you some help. Let's try to get to the root of these issues. And California said illegal.

No, that's illegal. That's like child abuse. I'm serious. This is, in case you're not aware, it's a law in several different states already. And the Supreme Court said that they would not hear a challenge to this.

I had a major Christian attorney on the air with me yesterday who said this is a major Below. All right, I have introduced Chris to you. Chris Doyle, welcome back to the line of fire. Thanks for joining us today. Thank you, Dr.

Brown. It's wonderful to be here and love being with you.

Well, thank you, sir. All right. We've just got a minute and a half before the break. Then we'll get into things at length and talk about what you're doing to take on the bullies. But what was the significance of the Supreme Court saying that they would not hear this case?

Well, I think it's an interesting outcome. But I don't think that all hope is lost. And for a number of reasons. First of all, We're not at all sure. In fact, it's likely that newly appointed Justin Gorsuch was not a part of that panel that decided not to hear this case.

So if that's the if that's the case. then once The justice is actually serving a full year on the court I think another challenge will come to the Supreme Court, and I do think the likelihood of them picking that case up again is good. The second thing that I think is interesting is that I personally don't believe that the specific challenge to the California law was the best challenge out there. And I'll give you a good reason why. Um The circ the third circuit court who also heard a similar challenge, which was King versus Brown King versus Christie.

Governor Christie, New Jersey. The Third Circuit Court of belie uh Disagreed with the Ninth Circuit Court, which is the one the Supreme Court just refused to hear. in that they said that counseling is not only medical conduct but also speech. And the Ninth Circuit Court said counseling is simply medical conduct.

So we see a disagreement between the circuit courts on these two cases.

So I think the next challenge that comes through should be the third circuit court challenge, and the Supreme Court will likely take that up because of the decision of the circuit court. All right. We'll be right back. It's fire we want, for fire we please. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr.

Michael Brown. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34 Truth. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I am speaking with Chris Doyle, the director of the International Healing Foundation, and he is the voice of the voiceless.

It is ironic. that a movement that began as saying we have been bullied We have been abused and bullied by the society, has now become a bullying movement. But, Chris, You've undertaken something very bold and very strong to stand up. To the bullies, to stand up to organizations with massive funding and backing and public support. What exactly have you launched?

Yes, thanks. And I think Laurie Higgins at the Illinois Family Policy Institute put it best yesterday when she wrote in her article that somebody has finally brought a gun to the gun fight. What we have done is we have challenged three of the largest gay activist organizations in the country, human rights campaign, Southern Poverty Law Center, of course. Most of your listeners know them for their famous hate watch list and the National Center for Lesbian Rights. We have submitted a comprehensive investigation to the Federal Trade Commission yesterday, and the investigation is called, in their own words, lies, deception and fraud.

And what we have documented, doctor Brown, is five years of mass fraud that these three gay activist organizations have been perpetrating across the United States to ban psychotherapy for minors. If Unbelievable to read.

Some of the things that have actually happened in state legislatures, people. uh saying that they've been electro shocked and tortured. people claiming vomit inducing types of aversion treatment to change people from quote unquote gatistry. It's really something that you just can't make up. You would actually See it in the movie.

And as you know, you've covered the story before. We have seen this in a movie. These stories are being listed from different fictitious tales. As we saw in 2013, when a transgender activist, Brial Goldoni, Told the Senate committee that she was sent to a torture camp to convert her from Gator Strait. We know that that really was listed from a 1999 movie starring Drag Queen RuPaul.

So we've documented that story and many others in this report. as well as reported about one hundred twenty five years of scientific research saying that people aren't born gay. And that change. for those who experience same sex attractions is not only possible, but actually common. If you look at sources such as the 2014 American Psychological Association Sexuality and Psychology Handbook, researchers, including lesbian Dr.

Lisa Diamond, actually report in this that change for same-sex drug people is very common and it happens throughout the lifespan with and without therapy.

So this is all documented to report that gay activists are perpetuating a massive fraud to the United States. And Amazingly, six or seven legislatures have actually believed them. Yeah. It is amazing.

Now, many more have not believed them, but the fact that six or seven have and that have banned this is extraordinary. I mean, look, we've had the one in 10 myth: one in 10 is gay, and that was used. And they're gay activists said, Yeah, we know it's not accurate, but it works well. It carries weight.

Well, forget the one in 10 myth. You know, we report that millennials actually believe that about 25% or even over 30%. They think it's one in three. Yeah. And this is partially because there's such an overrepresentation of the LGBT community in the media and that people simply believe that the the numbers are much larger than they add.

It's really about three point eight percent is what the Gallup poll said a few years ago. Yeah, and that would be including even those who identify as transgender in that mix as well. And then when you have, say, the Matthew Shepard Act, what happened to this young man was horrific, terrible. But I read the full-length book by a gay investigative reporter who said he wasn't killed because he was gay. That wasn't the issue.

Drug bust. Right. And apparently, he had had a gay relationship with the guy that killed him, according to reports. But so much of this is built on lies. And it's one thing to say, hey, do we stand against violence against gay systems?

Of course, of course, but don't build a whole case and then call it, you know, that's the name, the Matthew Shepard Act, when the whole thing is bogus.

So, Chris, what is the goal, realistically, what can happen with the Federal Trade Commission?

Well, if I was able to tell you what the Federal Trade Commission would do with our report, I would be in a different line of business and be a very rich man right now. But the larger goal of this report is to get these things documented and out in the public so that lives can be saved. Dr. Brown. We know that therapy and counseling for individuals who struggle with these issues is helpful.

It's life-saving. I would not have the five children that I do right now and be married to my beautiful wife if it weren't for good help. Help me come out of homosexuality. And I've been privileged over the last seven and a half years to walk with hundreds of individuals and families through my work at the Institute for Healthy Families. and do this type of work.

And I've dedicated my life and my career to it, not because I wanted to make money, by the way, most of us counselors don't make much of it, but because God has called me to this. And there are many, many, many good, reputable organizations and counselors out there doing wonderful work. And it's a sad day when we allow organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center to put people on a hate map. for helping those who are sincerely distressed by these feelings. We're not going out there and picketing against the human rights campaign in Washington, D.C.

We're offering a service to help people who are distressed. In fact, a good service at that. And you know what? It's just wrong. That not only do they say that our work is ineffective, but they call us torturers and people that are basically abusing children.

And so we just said enough is enough. We're no longer going to allow These people, these organizations, that perpetuate these lies. And that's why we call the report, in their own words, lies, deception, and fraud, because we've documented. What these organizations have said in their own words in the front of state legislatures. Documented.

Years of mass fraud that they put on their websites, their marketing materials, in front of state legislatures, their talking points. And we put it all in one report and we sent the Federal Trade Commission and said, this is consumer fraud. It's malicious and you need to put a stop to it. Is there anything that we can do, just the general public, to help with this, either getting the word out or writing to people or donating? Is there anything specific?

And is there a place to go to find out more?

Well, first of all, go to our website at voiceofthevoicelist.info, okay? And under that, under press releases, you'll see a press release with a link to this report. It's a big report. It's very well done. It'll take you a while to get through it.

But what I would encourage you to do is read this report and share it with your friends, especially. Share it with your state legislatures. I mean, you correctly said that a number of states have not moved to ban this therapy, and that's correct. 20 states. have not Move to ban this therapy.

What my fear is that if this report and this information doesn't get in the hands. Of key legislatures that more states will move to ban this because. The power of these three gay activist organizations and the millions of dollars of funding that they have to push these lies is much greater than we have.

So all we have is the ability to put this stuff on paper and say, here's the truth, look it up. All the references are legit. There's over 200 references in the report. And People have to read this. There's an executive summary that summarizes the research and what we review in this report.

Share this. And then, of course, if you feel so led to support this work, go to our website, voiceethevoiceless.info, and give generously to causes like this. Yeah, and Chris, the human rights campaign, what's their budget? $40 million, $50 million a year or more, the AC, LU or Southern Poverty Law Center, excuse me. I mean, we know that the Southern Poverty Law Center has a war chest of probably $250 to $300 million.

Exactly. And they use it really simply as a bully pulpit. And they put out this stuff online about therapy, and there's really no accountability, and it's just plain irresponsible. And that's why we have the Federal Trade Commission to review these things. Let's hope that they do.

Yeah, I mean look, they had Dr. Ben Carson. on there On their list, their hate list for a little while. It's completely outrageous and it is bullying.

So, friends, go to voiceofthevoiceless.info, read the report, at least read the executive summary, spread the word. The key thing is we've got to educate. Let's pray for truth to triumph here. It just takes one legislator, it just takes one person that looks at this, an FTC, and says, wow, truth can be exposed. It just won't open door on, you know, with Tucker Carlson to talk about it.

Things can get out.

So, let's pray for truth to triumph. Find out more. Get involved as you can. Again, voiceofthevoiceless.info. You know, Chris, I had a bio that said you had three kids, but you said you've got five kids now.

Yeah. Well, Sherry and I recently adopted two little beautiful babies from China. Oh my gosh. And so both of the kids have heart defects. In fact, our youngest, our youngest one, Paul.

Has had three open heart surgeries in three years. But you know what? It's been an unbelievable blessing. You know, they say adoption. It's a blessing for children.

It's really a blessing for parents and Christians because it tells us in the book of Matthew that we have to care for the least of these. Sure, we do. And we're out of time, but thank you. Thank you for what you're doing. Your example, sir.

Oh God of burning, cleansing flame. Send the fire. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr.

Michael Brown. Well, and it's also extremely annoying for people who've worked really hard and who've made the requisite sacrifices to become successful along some dimension to have that immediately attributed to their oppression. For the social justice warrior types out there who might be listening, it's like, are you really willing to say that every single person who's accomplished something has done that as a consequence of oppression? That's again what the Soviets claimed with regards to the successful peasants in the 19, in the, just before the 1920s. That is the voice of Professor Jordan Peterson.

He's a Canadian professor, respected professor, who has come under tremendous attack recently for his outspoken views about sanity. You said, what do I mean about sanity?

Well. that he refuses to go along with extreme social justice warrior activism. He extrem refused to go along with extreme transgender activism. And if if a student wants to be identified as Z, Don't call me he or she, but Z. And he said, Sorry, I'm not going to do that.

The university said, We're not going to stand with you. If court cases come, we're not going to stand with you. What is this? University of Toronto. And what's fascinating, and I didn't realize this till I had him on the air with me, that what what has made his backbone so strong is that he studied communism for decades.

And he's watched what the thought police do and how they try to control vocabulary.

So now he sees it happening in this area of transgender activism. And he says, No, no one is going to require me to speak a certain way. Yes, one thing to treat every student equally, right? You don't fail the person because you don't like the way they look or something like that. You don't fail them or treat them unfairly because here's a guy who identifies as a girl or whatever the case might be, or because the person wears a cross or because the Jewish guy has a head covering or the Muslim girl has a hijab on.

You don't fail someone or mistreat them because of that. But they're who they are. And you're not going to say, well, you're he today, you're she tomorrow, you're ze the third day. Sir, you're not going to put words in my mouth and determine how I speak. And and he's saying what's unfortunate is that people don't realize what happened in history.

And young people don't realize what happened in history. Interestingly, he's on the podcast with Joe Rogan.

Some of you know Joe Rogan from what was it, the Fear Factor? And then he's a commentator with with mixed martial arts. uh but he's not what you call a Christian, okay? Uh his podcast is full of profanity and his worldview is very different than ours. But uh he's talking with Jordan Peterson and agreeing With things that Jordan Peterson is saying.

So he's talking about young people today and how ignorant they are. About the horrors of Marxism, clip number eight. Whenever these ideas were implemented, the result was absolute mayhem, absolute mayhem. And people have no historical memory, like my students. And that's partly because they're taught so badly in schools, is they have no idea what happened in the Soviet Union.

They have absolutely no idea. They know a little bit about the Second World War, maybe. And of course, people generally know about the Holocaust, but they have no idea what happened in the Soviet Union.

So they have no idea where these ideas could lead. And the universities and the high schools are so full of people who are radically left-leaning that they're never taught any, that students are never taught any proper history. You know, they're taught about the evils of capitalism. It's not like any system is perfect. But there's difference between imperfect and and consciously murderous.

Yeah, exactly. And this whole attack: well, everything is white privilege, and everything is heterosexist, and it's white male privilege, and on and on it goes. Rather than saying, you know, a lot of people work hard. A lot of people are ethical. A lot of people have a good sense of justice.

They've worked hard. They've done what's right, and they're prospering. And that's not a bad thing. That's a good thing. And same with people of color, and the same with women.

And lots of people have worked hard, work well, and they're doing well. But no, everything's got to be turned on its head, and blame ascribed, and it's not fair. And we're going to take what you have, and we want it. That's where this thing ultimately goes.

So Jordan Peterson is explaining about fundamental rights here. And what happens when those things are taken away? Clip number 10. The peasants weren't emancipated. They were serfs until about 30 years before that.

They were serfs. They were basically slaves. And some of them had clambered up to the point where maybe they could own their hut and a cow and could, you know, employ someone.

Well, the Soviet claim was, well, that's all theft. You got that all because you're an oppressor. And so then the Soviet intellectuals went into the villages. And just imagine how this happened.

So imagine a village, a small town where everyone knows everybody. And there's maybe 10, 20 people there who are moderately successful.

Okay, and so you can imagine that those 20 people have like 100 enemies at the bottom of the socioeconomic distribution, useless, horrible people who are jealous and resentful about the fact that these people have been successful.

Okay, so now the intellectuals come in and say, property is theft, success is oppression. And then they look for the people in the village who are willing to move against those 20 successful people.

Well, those guys at the bottom, those hundred resentful, jealous, murderous people at the bottom, they're just waiting for an opportunity to go kick down some doors. And that's exactly what they did in the 1920s. And as I said, they wiped out all their productive peasants. And then 6 million Ukrainians starved to death. They had posters.

The Soviets produced posters in the 1930s that said, Essentially, don't forget it's wrong to eat your children. Yeah, and looking at pictures of Well Indescribable. But that's exactly what is being depicted. Cannibalism. Because of the policies that caused these people to starve to death.

One last clip. We can just grab it, get it in time. Clip number 11.

So the basic claim is that Western civilization is a brutish patriarchy and that whatever positive things it might have managed to accomplish were all accomplished as a consequence of oppression and theft and that The appropriate thing to do is to restructure it. From the bottom up, and they mean that. They mean that. They mean every single bloody concept. And you can marry that with modern postmodernism and throw in a nice dash of Marxism, and you have the ideological and motivated grounds for social revolution.

Just go online and look at a dozen women's studies websites, just read them. You can see what they say. They produce political activists and their goal is to restructure the patriarchy.

Well, what's the patriarchy?

Well, the patriarchy is Western civilization. And what does restructure mean? That's easy. tear it down and destroy it. Why?

'Cause it's a brutish system that's predicated on nothing but oppression. It's nothing but a tyranny in the in the eyes of the of the radical women's studies types. Heterosexuality, that's a tyranny. Capitalism, that's a tyranny. Democracy, well that doesn't even exist, and even if it did, it would be a tyranny.

Everything's a tyranny. And so you can ask these and and what would they replace it with? They'd replace it with their own ideological utopia. and their own ideological utopia. Would exclude your views and mine as being hateful, bigoted, ignorant, and destructive.

This is a prophetic warning, friends, from a professor from Canada. And we need to heat it. We are in the culture wars because we live in this world. The question is, will we be effective? Will we be world changers?

Or will we be taken under? Taken over by the culture. Let's stand and do what's right. We're here to equip you. We're here to help you.

Visit us at askdrbrown.org. Check out my latest articles and videos. We want you to be on the front lines as a world changer. The world's changed us too long. Time for us to go change the world.

Lots of fascinating questions to address. I want to answer them today on the line of fire. It's time for the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and President of Fire School of Ministry.

Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. You know, you've got to be so careful.

in reporting even headlines Even news items. Even sometimes when you vet them, When you look at them carefully, you've got to really look extra carefully these days because there's an extreme amount of bias in what's being reported or things. Everyone wants to get the first word out and it's inaccurate. We do our best not to do that here and wait and find out what's being said, what's accurate, what's not. This is Michael Brown.

Welcome to the line of fire. We've been talking about lots of heavy issues in recent days, and we're going to take a little bit of a break from that in this hour. And just take your questions. I've got lots of emails I've been wanting to get to. Any question of any kind that you want to ask me?

having to do with any area of expertise or anything that's ever discussed on this show. The phone lines are open 866-348-26. 7884. If you differ with me on something, I don't bite. I really don't.

I'm happy to talk to those who differ. Maybe. We'll understand each other better. In the midst of our differences. And that to me is a positive.

Even if I don't change your thinking, you don't change mine. Better understanding is always positive, is it not? eight six six three four eight seven 884. I mentioned the headline issue. Because I was reading reports about shooting at a pool, a San Diego pool party.

And it was described as a white gunman. shooting blacks at the pool. And now I'm reading report. that says that according to cops the attack was not motivated by racism.

Now I read another report about a college campus where a black man attacked and killed whites. And that was portrayed as being racist.

Now, these uh they're murder it's murder either way. Murder is murder. That's the ultimate issue. It's murder. But just another reminder.

Just another reminder. Don't draw conclusions until you know more. Don't draw conclusions until you know more. Somebody emails me the other day, a reliable source. Have you heard what's happened to so-and-so, Pastor So-and-so?

He now believes this. He doesn't have a church anymore. He's now into this. I wrote back to him and said, if true, that would be very sad. I wasn't insulting him.

Wasn't it insulting the brother? Simply, I just heard a report. I don't know if it's true or not true. There's a lot of misinformation out there. Because I had interacted with this pastor at one time previously, I checked myself.

And I went to his Facebook page. And I read his posts, and sadly, what I was told was true. But I'll hear that someone will call me and say, Mike, we got to pray. I just got a report about so-and-so. And it sounds really bad.

And I said, all right, you know, let's pray. If true, this is really bad. I'm not. telling the person they're not reliable. But I don't know the accuracy of the source that they say, oh, no, no, I know it's true.

I was there, I saw it with my own eyes. Oh, no, I know it's true for first hand.

Okay, then that's one thing. But then still Still, if you were going to go further in terms of actually leveling an accusation or taking action, then you want more than one witness, ideally. Right out of the mouth of two or three witnesses, let things be confirmed.

So let us be careful. Especially Those of us who are leaders. Those of us who have voices Those of us who have Influence. Let us be especially Careful. We'll be right back with your questions.

Shaking this time, change the world. Change the world. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. There are some news items I might touch on today, but I want to concentrate on your questions. 866-343232323232. 348-7884.

If you're listening to me in the greater Phoenix area, Remember. This weekend, Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday morning. At Calvary Chapel, there will be in Phoenix, a wonderful Together for Israel conference. I'll be speaking, John Burnis will be speaking, Marty Goetz leading in worship. It should be a very, very special time.

Scott Volk will be speaking.

So to find out about that, go to askdrbrown.org. Just look at my itinerary. Have you read my latest article? Which S Which talks about the lesbian porn store who claims to be an evangelical Christian, and interestingly. You'll see in the article that I ask us some serious questions as believers.

about hypocrisy in our lives.

So you don't want to miss that article and recent videos from Donald Trump disappointing the anti Semites to the question of are women in bikinis asking to be raped? He said, what? Check out the articles, check out the videos, I think you will be. helped immensely in the process. Also, the expectation that tomorrow President Trump will be issuing an executive order on religious freedoms in America.

This is something that we've been waiting for for some months. And uh Thankfully, it looks like it's going to happen. And James Robinson and other faith leaders are scheduled to meet with President Trump for dinner tonight. When I asked Reverend Robertson on the radio yesterday whose initiative with this was this, he said that this is an initiative that President Trump had taken.

So that's exciting to hear. Hopefully this will come forward. Look, it's a lot of a mixed bag with President Trump. You get the good and the bad and in between. And there are certain things he does, you shake your head.

There are certain things he does, you applaud. And we need to keep praying for him. But thankfully, the door has remained open with these leaders, and they've been forthright with him. And James Robinson made very, very, very clear. Very clear.

From day one. that he was only going to speak the truth. to Donald Trump and has. And if he saw that Donald Trump was betraying Of people who voted for him or betraying promises, he'll confront them with great love, but he'd confront them. And there are others, other men and women of God.

that would speak the truth the same way. In other words, they're not like, wow, wow, we get to go to the White House and we get to do a photo op with the President. Wow, wow, so we're going to give up our convictions. No.

Some of these folk, hopefully all of them, but some of these for sure that I know that's not who they are. That's not who they are. And I think also Donald Trump realizes that the ones that got him elected were not the liberals. And if he's going to bow one way and compromise conviction, then he realizes that's it for him.

So we shall see. We shall see where this goes. Also, just I want to make a practical comment. Watching Hillary Clinton, it's got to be obviously very tough that she lost the election. And it's got to gall her every day that Donald Trump is the president.

Because she was in. This was her election. She was in. I mean, they're decorating the White House in their minds, so to say, and maybe quite literally, according to some reports.

So it's got to be terribly, terribly galling. that she's not in. Right. Uh Mm-hmm. But what I'm looking at, just on a personal responsibility level, on a personal growth level, on a leadership level.

is you don't want to keep playing the blame game. You don't want to keep, I would have been, if the elections had been October 27th, I'd be your president. The reason I'm not in is because of of of of the the the leaks. the WikiLeaks and because of James Comey. FBI.

And that's why I'm not the president. and it you know, it's it's this or it's that. These are certainly contributing factors, but they're obviously larger factors. Many, many, many Americans that voted for Donald Trump voted for him because they were voting against Hillary Clinton. They didn't like Donald Trump.

They didn't want to vote for him, but they voted for him to vote against her. But putting that aside, I'm just talking about a human being. I'm not attacking her. I'm just saying human beings, human being. It's bad, it's unhealthy.

Don't always point the finger. If I'm not moving forward, it's my fault. If I'm not making progress, it's my fault. If I'm not seeing my goals realized, it's my fault. That's how I look at it.

I'm a child of God, especially from a faith perspective. If I honor the Lord, he knows how to open doors. He knows how to change hearts. He knows how to promote. He knows how to do what he does.

And if you do what's right, you do what's right. And it'll pay off. It'll work out. But when it's this one's fault and that one's fault, that's just a big problem in our society today, and it's counterproductive. Counterproductive.

Uh it It is true. That News reports have indicated Um That that and from James Comey, that classified Clinton emails were forwarded to Anthony Weiner. Because remember, laptop was being used, the Huma and Anthony Wiener using a laptop that had classified information on it. This now apparently confirmed by FBI Director Comey. And of course President Trump joining in?

Said the FBI director was the best thing that ever happened to Hillary Clinton in that he gave her a free pass for many bad deeds. All right. Enough with that. 866-34-TRUTH. Do I go to emails?

Do I go to the phones? I'm going to go to the phones. Let's go to Long Island, my old stomping grounds. Lynette, welcome to the line of fire. God bless you, Dr.

Brown. Thank you so much for taking my call. And I just wanted to Thank you so much for the wonderful work that you did on the Book of Jeremiah. And I think that it's such a great help to people and encouragement to people as they're studying the Bible.

So I was hoping and praying that you Are perhaps thinking of doing a similar work on the book of Isaiah? And if so, I will be so ecstatic.

Well, your your prayers are answered.

So here's the deal. And that's very sweet Lynette.

So I wrote the Jeremiah commentaries, about 550 pages, came out a few years ago. It's in the Expositors Bible Commentary Series, the revised edition. of the Exposure of this Bible commentary series, so I replaced the earlier commentary of fellow messianic Q Charles Feinberg. And that's been out for a number of years. And I have a commentary on Job that I'm doing a complete rewrite on now.

When I wrote the commentary, I was kind of talking to two people at the same time, the academic, the scholar. and the interested reader. And the editors said, Hey, you gotta choose your audience. We either go all academic and make it all technical, or We simplify it for the popular reader.

So I'm in the process of doing a complete rewrite. To make it more accessible to more people. That being done, whenever that's done in the next year or so, something like that, then yes, I give my attention to the book of Isaiah. There is a series that WIP and Stock will publish, and it's all Pentecostal Charismatic Scholars, all people on an academic level with PhDs from top universities. And the book that I felt to do was the book of Isaiah.

So it's going to be some years I told them I can't have any time pressure with it. And probably about similar length, I would say. To similar length to the Jeremiah commentary, but that's the plan.

So keep that in prayer. But pray for grace on the Job one, because I got a lot of work to make that more accessible to more people. And then Isaiah will be written on a level pretty similar to the Jeremiah commentary.

So hopefully interested readers can really get into it and we'll have a lot of stuff for people to dig into. Oh, praise God. graceful.

Well, yeah, thank you. Thank you for raising that. And we are in sync, Lynette. That's wonderful.

Okay, and I continue to keep you and your family and your um ministry and and my prayers. I'm in an area where we used to have the first half hour of your um two hour Um broadcast. on the radio, and then a survey was done and I d I don't know what else happened, but uh bottom line, we don't have it uh now at all. But I someone uh gave me an iPad, so I'm I'm able to still follow you on the iPad. Excellent.

Yeah, and in fact, uh we've we were on we're on two hours a day. Five days a week, and you would have heard me on WMCA. From 2 to 2:30 Eastern Standard Time.

So that was actually our biggest station in the country. And we had several very large stations affiliated together with that, but we had to basically fund being on the air. We didn't receive. Income from the New York area to pay for the radio, we had to raise the funds to be on the air. And it's a great, great station, but it's expensive to be on the air.

And we were unable to do it. The good news is, though, no one has to miss a beat. Right on the internet, people just go to thelineoffire.org and they can catch two hours live. They can subscribe to the podcast. That's free.

And it's easy to listen to us, so you don't have to miss a second. And this way, instead of just getting the first half hour, you can get. All two hours.

So, Lynette, God bless you. Glad to have you as a listener and thank you very much for your prayers. We come back. I've got a fascinating question from the book of Jeremiah that I want to take up, something that I had to wrestle through when I wrote my commentary on it.

So, you've got a question for me, anything in my area of expertise or that relates to subject matter we talk about on the line of far, give me a call, 866-348-453. 7884. Change the world. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Yeah, I've got a question for you. Is this fair? Is is this fair?

You are a female athlete. You have been training for many, many years to get to the top of your game. you and your female colleagues sacrificing. eating a certain diet, working out certain hours every day pushing, pushing, pushing to the limit of your body. You're in really close competition.

You've got an excellent chance that you can. Win the competition. And let's say that you are a sprinter. Or let's say that you are a weightlifter, But now you're losing, and you're not just losing, you're losing badly to a new competitor. Why?

Because the new competitor is a man who identifies as a woman. Isn't that fair? Of course it's not fair. But it's happening on the high school level, it's happening on the college level, and as Pink News reports, a transgender weightlifter has broken records in an international competition for a second time in as many outings. Yeah, I wrote about this earlier in the year.

The man who now goes by the name of Laurel Hubbard competed at the Australian International event back in March, and after winning and breaking records, was accused of having an unfair advantage. Here is a man. Here's a man. who was a male weightlifter.

now identifies as a woman is competing with women. and is is crushing them. Crushing them. The Olympic Weightlifting New Zealand manager Simon Kent said the win was magnificent. Yeah.

I wonder how magnificent it is to the other women. Deborah Atkison, a two time Olympian, said, If I was in that category, I wouldn't feel like I was in an equal situation. I just feel that it's not even. Why then why are we if it's not even, why are we doing the sport? Why have women's sports versus men's sports?

All about equality, isn't it? Interesting. Interesting. Is anybody quality?

Okay. Albert. Hi, I was wondering if this passage in Jeremiah chapter 31 verses 31 to 34 is talking about the new covenant that Jesus made. Because in chapter 31, verse 34, it says, No longer will they teach their neighbor or say to one another, Know the Lord, because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord, for I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more. But we still tell people to know the Lord and to repent.

If you can give me an answer, I really appreciate it. You bet. I can give you an answer.

So here is the answer. Yes, this is the new covenant that Jesus made. Yes, it is. And it is a covenant. That has a beginning.

It has an end. And right now we are in a transition period. The covenant was instituted at the cross when Jesus died for our sins. We're not under the Sinai covenant. We're under a new and better covenant made with the house of Israel and Judah.

And extend it by grace to the world. As Israel is called to be a light to the world, we are under a new and better covenant. And in this covenant our sins are forgiven. In this covenant, God says, I've washed away your sins, I remember them no more. In this covenant God becomes our Father, we address the the Father the same way Jesus did.

Calling him Alber. All right. It brings intimacy and it brings us into a relationship with God that the Sinai covenant couldn't because of human failings. And in this new covenant, God's laws are written on our hearts. And in this new covenant, there'll be no need to teach others and tell them to know the Lord because everyone will know the Lord.

We are in a transition age. The Messiah has already come and begun his mission. He will not complete his mission until he returns. He has brought us into the benefits of the new covenant, but we are still in this age and in this world. and therefore we see it partly realized.

As some scholars have called it, it is realized eschatology. Put in simple terms, it is already not yet. We have already experienced the new covenant benefits, but not yet experienced all of them. We are already born from above and have eternal life on our seated in heavenly places, yet we live in this world. We already have the Holy Spirit as a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance, but we're still in a battle with sin and the devil.

We have been spiritually resurrected, but not physically. resurrected. and on and on the list goes, already and not yet. It is just the same as when God brought the children of Israel. out of Babylon.

When you read the prophets, they spoke of it as a glorious return, even a new creation, a new Exodus, but it was not that. The exiles did return. And they did rebuild the temple, and God did move, but not with the expected number and the expected glory. The Messiah did come, same parallel. The Messiah did come when he was supposed to come.

He did bring forgiveness of our sins. He did establish the new covenant, but not with the expected glory and number. Why? Because it is ongoing. This message is now going to the whole world.

And then at the end of the age, when Israel fully comes under the new covenant, we'll see this fully realized. Right now, it's the transition age. This was instituted, and we do walk in it for sure to a certain level. What do I mean?

Well, have your sins been forgiven? Yeah. Do you know God as Father? Yeah. Are you under the threat of the condemnation of the law hanging over your head?

No.

Are God's laws written on your heart? Become your nature to do what's right? Yes. So we've experienced all that, and yet we know There's another dimension where we won't even have any desire to sin in resurrected bodies in a perfect world. We know That the day is coming when we won't need to go share the gospel and say, Hey, know the Lord.

because the whole world will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the seas.

So we we know that is coming. But we have received in part.

So that again is the reality. And the reason I bring up the exile from Babylon is to say this is not exclusively something that has to do with the gospel. That you have other aspects of promises in the Old Testament that are realized partly, but not in full. It would be like this. I tell you, here's what I'm going to do.

I'm a rich benefactor, and I like you, and I see that you're in trouble. financially You got $100,000 in credit card debt, and a lot of it came through sickness in the family. You got a house that's underwater and you owe $300,000 in mortgage, but the house is only worth $250,000 right now. Tell you what I'm going to do. I want to help you get on your feet.

Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to pay off your debt. I'm going to pay off your mortgage. That's what I'm going to do. And I'm gonna buy your house.

Can you just pay me? pay me rent, but half of what you're paying in the mortgage. All right. And then once we get that set up, then I'm going to put half a million dollars into a business and have you run that business because I see you have tremendous potential. Are you serious?

Yeah, I'm gonna do that for you. All right. And then I pay off the debt. I pay off the $100,000 credit card debt. I pay off the $300,000 mortgage.

I own the house. I tell you to pay me rent, just half of the mortgage payments. That's all you're paying me in rent. And I do all that. And I said, all right, I'll be back and we'll get you set up in business, but let's just get this established now and let's see with your faithful payment and rent and things like that.

Well, I did that. I did that, but I still haven't set up the business for you.

Okay, that's coming down the line. But you can be sure I'm going to do the rest because I've done the first part.

So we're in a transition age. The new covenant has been instituted and it is now moving towards its ultimate goals. If you look at the Sinai Covenant, the goal was that Israel would be a priestly nation. If you look in Exodus 19, it said the whole nation would be priests. The goal of the Sinai Covenant was never realized because of human failure.

The goal of the new covenant will be fully realized. Right now, we're in the transition age. We experience its reality, but not in full. We'll be right back with your phone calls. It's the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian Dr.

Michael Brown. Your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

I am taking some time to answer your questions. Having a little fun today on the radio, a lot of heavy news we've been talking about. Tomorrow's Thurley Jewish Thursday. I've got a bunch of Jewish-related things to talk about: Israel, Palestinians in the news. A whole lot going on.

But right now, we're going to have a little fun. Any question you have of any kind whatsoever that you want to ask me? Any question at all that relates to any area of expertise that I have, anything where I can be of help or service, anything we've talked about on the air, I've written about in my articles or you've seen on my videos, give me a call, 866-348-7884. We go to Wilmington, Illinois. Ryan, welcome to the line of fire.

Yes, Doctor Brown. I called while during the break and only to hear you while I was on hold actually discussing the question I had about the difference between Old and new covenant.

So I'll go back and hear you again, but you know, I. My question is just trying to distinguish what do we have now that we didn't before. And I think that to appreciate the new covenant, it seems like we have to appreciate the old covenant first. And to me the the when people try to say What's different? it seems like they emphasize on just saying how bad the old one was and making the new one good, just sort of putting them in black and white terms.

And it sort of seems im simplistic to me. That is, um misses out on what the really what they're what the benefit is of the new covenant. But I'll go back and listen again to what you said on the- Yeah, so I just answered a question right before the break and right before many listeners joined us now at the beginning of their half hour, a question about Jeremiah 31, verses 31 to 34, the new covenant prophecy. But yes, Ryan, let me say first that there are two different ways that we relate to the Sinai covenant. in terms of how we look at it.

On the one hand, we remember that this is God's Holy Word. and that as Paul writes in Romans 7, the law is holy and just and good. And Joshua 1.8 tells us it's by meditating on God's teaching, God's law day and night. This is how Joshua was going to succeed. He would have this before him day and night and then obey it and therefore succeed.

And how the psalmist in Psalm 19 and Psalm 119 just liken the words of the law, the words of God's teaching, to being sweeter than honey and more valuable than thousands of pieces of silver and gold.

So there's, on the one hand, the beauty. of the Sinai covenant because it reflects the holiness of God. It reflects the nature of God. It reflects the wisdom of God. And that's wonderful.

On the flip side there is the terror of the of the Sinai Covenant. God speaking from the mountain and saying anyone that comes near Mount Sinai is going to die. And Moses is shaking with fear, and the people shaking with fear. And the generation that receives the Sinai Covenant dies in the wilderness. All except two, Joshua and Caleb.

But otherwise, that generation that receives it dies in the wilderness because of human sin. Because of human failure. because of human falling short. And in that sense, when Paul writes about us not being under the law. What he's saying is we're not under the condemnation of the law.

You know, there's not a death penalty, for example, for failure to observe the Sabbath. And we're not under the law for justification. All right, so we are. We're not under the law for justification, meaning that we do not have to live a certain way to be blessed. If we don't live a certain way, we're cursed.

And that's where we stand every day. It's kind of a balance there hanging. Which way is it going to go? And we're not under the law as a system. to bring us to the Messiah because we've already been brought to him.

But much of what the Messiah does. is now to bring to fulfillment what was promised, to bring to fulfillment the greatest goals of the Sinai covenant. He now does that.

So it is not one versus the other. It is one building on the other and going where the other could not. Just like Joshua led the children of Israel into the promised land rather than Moses. Hey, thank you, sir, for the call. God of light, hear our cry, send the fire.

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Hi, Doctor Brown. Thank you for taking my call. I appreciate it. Um it's uh uh um and it it may be hard for you to Explain other people's views, but I'd like yours. Um, I'm having a problem with some of the evangelicals.

One support of Donald Trump. You just said that Hillary Clinton I'm laying. Um James Comey, and she did, she made that comment, but she also took responsibility. Dan Old Trump. Wakes up.

blaming Obama for everything. From wire ta tapping for not checking it out. Michael Flynn. You name it. Um Since we are Christians, There are a few part political parties, Democrats, Republican, Independent, there's no Kingdom party.

Donald Trump does not display the attribute. of a Christian to me.

Now I could understand if you guys say His closest to your political belief. But to blindly Mm-hmm. Yeah. Look pad to blame. Look past the corruption.

is disgalling to me. I I don't understand it. And I I really want to support my Christian. brothers and sisters. But Um Lot is blind.

we should love a person but also correct them when they're wrong. And I don't see that happening. Yeah, Lisa, I understand your concerns, and they're valid. They're very valid. And let me weigh in on a few things.

I did find it interesting that for eight years we were told that economic problems in America under the Obama administration were the fault of George Bush. President Bush. Everybody does a lot of Blame casting. And I happened to mention the Hillary Clinton thing because it just came up in the news, and it's just yet again why I lost. And so in the last half hour, I happened to mention that it's just not good for character.

So I agree, it's not good for character with Donald Trump. Like I said, also in the last half hour, it's always a mixed bag with President Trump. That he does certain things you want to applaud, certain things you shake your head, and say, I can't believe that. I can't believe the President of the United States just said that. That'd be one thing.

And then the next thing is like, good for him.

So I look at it as a very mixed bag. I strongly spoke against him during the primaries when I endorsed Senator Cruz. But I said I'm doing that during the primaries when we have other options. And if he does get the nomination, then we'll have to sort that out. What's given me A more positive outlook, Lisa, is the fact that Godly leaders that I know personally.

have really gotten in his face. I mean, they have told him he needs to repent of sin. They have told him he needs to know the Lord. They have urged him to do the right thing and have called him on the carpet with love and respect. But they've done it.

And they've said to me, Mike, he's never rebuffed us. He's never told us to stop. He's never pushed us away. We have access to him.

So in that respect, I believe God is working in his life. Do I see any evidence of him being born again or knowing the Lord? I'm far away from him like you are, but no, I don't see any evidence of that. Do I see him acting more presidentially? In ways that I would hope no.

Do I see him potentially compromising with Democrats now on a spending bill that for now seems to include funding for Planned Parenthood? I mean, that concerns me. There are lots of things about President Trump that concern me. But I did vote for him after much thought. A strong reason being I was voting against Hillary Clinton and her radical pro-abortion and anti-religious liberty and pro-LGBT activism.

That's one thing. And with the hope that on certain really, really important issues having to do with religious freedoms. having to do with appointing pro-life justices to the Supreme Court, having to do with national security and confronting radical Islam, that he would do the right thing in that regard. But I also knew it could be a disaster. We're going to have all kinds of problems.

So, Lisa, I think that sometimes we just make everything. Yes or no, black or white, and good or evil, without recognizing there's a whole lot of mixture. And just like with President Obama and President Bush before now with President Trump, they're not entirely good. They're not entirely evil. And you might like more of one president and less of another, but if it's one we look at Donald Trump like the savior of the church or the leader that the Christians have been waiting for, yeah, that seems completely bogus and makes us look bad and makes the gospel look bad.

When we say, hey, we know his flaw, plenty of flaws. And God sometimes raises up surprising people, but we see a lot of good qualities. I mean, he did do exactly as he promised, nominating Justice Gorsuch, you know, pro-life justice. That was one of the, for some, the only reason they voted for him was the Supreme Court. And certain other things he has kept his word, and others we shall see.

And others, like I said, you just shake your head and think, oh, no. I mean, I talked about his interview on Face the Nation. I think I talked about it on Monday. I said, everything you like about him, everything you don't like about him. There it was in that one interview.

You know, the critics are salivating, and the people that like them are cheering them, and it's both and.

So, I think we got to look at things with our eyes wide open, Lisa. and not get so caught up in partisan politics And then, yes, be kingdom people. And as kingdom people, we're not in a, we may vote for a party, but we're not part of that primarily. We're part of a different party. We have a different allegiance and loyalty ultimately.

And that's so one day we're going to say, thank you, President Trump, for what you did. And another day, President Trump, we believe that's wrong. That's what kingdom people are going to do.

Okay, that's what I needed to hear. I I thank you so much. for taking my call. That makes me feel better 'cause I need to hear somebody. Who is a leader say that and recognize that?

And I appreciate it so much. Yeah, Lisa, I'm so sorry that you needed me to say it. You know what I mean? Because I understand. that you're not hearing it a lot.

and things have gotten really polarized.

So thank you for asking the question and thank you for having the integrity to not just take a polar position, but to say, let's talk about this. I appreciate that. God bless you. 866-348-7884. We go to Winston-Salem, North Carolina.

Maria, welcome to the line of fire. Yeah, that's Mario. I'm sorry. Ah, okay. Got it.

Well, thank you, sir. Oh, thank you for taking my my call. Uh my uh My petition to you is to shed some light about The widow the The needy the people that come from other countries The strangers 'Cause I, uh I believe in the States. I'm an immigrant myself. And I I've been living in the States for over thirty years.

And I haven't seen so much discrimination and so much racism. in the United States. Until now. And it's surprising Uh to see how many Christians even Um are having such a Faithful sentiment. against immigrants.

And as I read the Bible, New and Old Testament, I am constantly reminded. reminded that God wants us to take care of the needy. God wants us to take care of the poor. of the stranger of the widow. and all these people that are in great need for our love and mercy.

Um you know, it's a great opportunity for Christians to show love and to share the gospel. But it it It seems to me that They are blinded by this. Politics And um They are they are uh treating the needy as their enemy instead of showing mercy. Yeah, so I can shed some light on that for you, sir. All right?

Okay. Yeah, absolutely. I can. And my fault entirely for. Calling you Maria instead of Mario.

It is Mario on my screen. But sometimes without my glasses, I mistake a letter.

So, my bad, we had you correct on the screen there. We've got a break coming up, and I want to address this on the other side of the break. I think that there were several different things happening at the same time. because of which There is a confusing message. coming out.

Of course, of course, of course, God's heart beats for those in need. And of course, God uses His people to help meet those needs. What should we do with the immigration crisis? We'll be right back. Gang tour.

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So Mario, there are a few things to think through. When we look back to God's commands to Old Testament Israel, They were commanded to exterminate the Canaanites. They were commanded to... wipe out their enemies. and yet have compassion on the stranger, the foreigner that wanted to take refuge in Israel.

And I think we have some of that dimension going on today. Number one, the threat of Islamic terrorism. has raised all kinds of alarms, and rightly so, since 9-11. I mean look what look what's happening in France, one terror attack after another, after another, and in other European countries and in other parts of the world.

So we're now dealing with that. How do we keep the killers out? How do we keep the murderers out? That's why Israel built a security barrier, fenced it in place as a wall, to keep murderers out. Nobody likes it.

The Israelis don't like it. The Palestinians don't like it. But they had to do it to keep murderers out because the Palestinian leadership was not doing its proper job. That's a big question. How do we keep the murderers out?

Well, now we start talking about immigration reform. And in one fell swoop, we're not just talking about murderers trying to come in here or people trying to come in to undermine our country, but we're talking about legitimate refugees. people in legitimate needs. How do you sort them out? How do you tell the difference between someone in Syria fleeing for their lives that would love to live in America and has no desire to overthrow our country?

versus someone that's a terrorist.

So unfortunately some really needy people. are now put in the same category You're just an immigrant. You're an immigrant from a Muslim country. They're all put in the same category. As opposed to, okay, here's a legitimate refugee.

Here's a terrorist. When they look the same. and they're the same age and they come from the same country and they speak the same language. Hey, teleport.

So that's that's one problem. Then our southern border We have the problem of Drug trafficking. and the problem of criminals coming in. And then plenty? of Mexicans and others from Latin America who have lived in our country many years and are fine citizens.

and are contributing to our society in in many, many good ways. and our society, our American society, is a nation of immigrants.

So we we need to have a heart of compassion. At the same time, We need to make sure that we have secure borders. and and better vetting of terrorists and things like that.

So unfortunately Mario, what's happened? is that the political rhetoric has gotten so supercharged that we've forgotten about humanitarian needs in certain ways. and we just want to make these radical proposals on one side or the other side. One side not thinking about security, the other side not thinking about compassion so much. And what I've proposed is this.

Let the government Major on security. In other words, make sure that you take care of securing borders. Make sure that you do a good job keeping the bad guys out. that the church major on compassion. Let the church focus on helping the poor, helping the needy, sponsoring the immigrants, getting needy people into our country.

During the Boat People Crisis in the late 70s, early 80s, I've often mentioned the great privilege my family had of taking Vietnamese refugees into our home. They lived with us for years, and most of the people in our church got active and took refugees in, and it became a way of life, and how enriched we were by the privilege of serving these folks that had suffered so terribly in their countries. We know what happened to Jews trying to flee Nazi Europe that were turned back from America. and turn back from other countries. The British control of Palestine, turn them back from there.

And they went back to their deaths.

So what we have to do, sir, is make sure that we. always are thinking about two issues. What can we do to help those in legitimate need and have a heart for the suffering and hurting people for whom America remains a great refuge? And what can we do to do this in a secure way to keep the bad guys out?

So that's the challenge we have. And if the government does a good job of security, keeps the bad guys out, let the church work with the government and work independently to help those in need and focus on that, then I think we can get the job done. There are always going to be refugees. They're always going to be poor. But we've got to be careful.

You're right with our rhetoric, with our attitude. Those that are Republican or voted conservative, they have to make sure they maintain God's heart for the refugee while keeping the terrorist out. That's the balance that we have to strike. Does that make sense? Yes, it does.

And I just want to add one more thing. Uh and then I'll leave you alone. Another another um Another issue that I see that is happening within the church. talking specifically about the church. including pastors, is that they Sometimes they talk about immigrants without having real statistics.

Yeah. And they make assumptions about immigrants that are not true.

So they they left They they leave themselves open to all kinds of Misinformation. where they they qualified all immigrants as as um criminals, which is totally wrong in this Yeah, but let me just say this honestly, sir. I've not heard. Any respected Christian leader or political leader Even Donald Trump at his worst rhetoric Saying that it's everyone. I know, especially as you came to America 30 years ago, as you say, it can sound like that sometimes.

But I I think all of us recognize That that We're a nation of immigrants. And now look, there are white supremacists out there and others, Mario, that are going to talk in ugly ways. And we just want a white America. And and junk like that, which I deplore and reject and has nothing to do with American history or vision. whatsoever?

But I don't hear that being said. That they're all criminals, they're all bad people. Again, Trump's famous comment: he did qualify. Terms of many bad people coming in here, he needed to qualify it more clearly for sure. But I think that's been qualified many times since.

So, yeah, let's do our best, though. Let's agree on this. Let us do our best. to speak truthfully. to speak accurately.

and to speak lovingly. In that way, we will rightly represent the Lord. And I have been blessed by faithful listeners. Who have challenged me many, many a time. Not that I've spoken in ugly ways, but that I may not have the perspective, the way I was raised, my upbringing, experience I've had that someone else would have.

So I've been enlightened by my callers, and it's been a great blessing over the years. Hey, thank you, sir, for weighing in. And James Robinson mentioned on the show yesterday that. He and Reverend Samuel Rodriguez, one of the top Hispanic Christian leaders in America, will be speaking to President Trump specifically about immigration and some other leaders as well with the hope that they can really present something that will be a viable plan. And that would be absolutely awesome.

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