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I think they're going to keep that in. You're listening to Clearview Today with Dr. Abaddon Shah, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. Gesundheit. Thank you. I'm Ryan Hill.
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Well, if Thanksgiving is brown, so Wednesday before is Beige Wednesday, you got Brown Thursday and then Black Friday. Is that on the spot? Yeah, I just made that up. Oh, okay. Okay.
I don't think that's actually a thing. That's pretty good. Khaki Wednesday. Happy Khaki Wednesday. You know, we, you know, we, I think I could pull off Khaki in a really great way. Yeah, Whacky Khaki Wednesday.
Sure. Happy Kaki Wednesday to everybody, or Happy Khaki. I can't stand when people say North Cackalacky, by the way.
We're broadcasting right now all over North Cackalacky. Happy Khaki made me think of that. Here's something else I really, I was thinking about this because we ordered lunch earlier today. Sure.
And this is something that I know that I hate, but I also know that I'm very irrational for this. So I don't want to go full on gripe vine because I don't think I'm relatable on this. Okay. Because I feel, just me, that if you're a, you and David, you too, if y'all are, and really anybody, if y'all are a fully formed adult, a grown person in 2024.
Sure. I'm, I'm as of right now, I'm the oldest person in this room. You're 36. I am.
David's 26. Yep. I'm 32, but I don't count in this because I'm old enough to know what foods I like and dislike. I don't need, so, so I guess I, but I'm, what I'm saying is this, I don't like when we're like, Hey, let's order lunch. And someone's like, okay, I just need to look at a menu. I just need to look at a menu.
I don't like when people are like, I need to look at the menu because I, I feel personally, you should know what you like and don't like by the time you're in your thirties. What if I don't know what that restaurant serves? Of course you know what the restaurant serves. What do you mean?
Have I been to this restaurant before? Yeah, of course. Like we ordered, we ordered a, we went to Mexican today.
You're talking about today specifically? Well, no, but I'm saying just in general, like if we're like, Hey guys, we're going to get Mexican. Nobody should be like, I need to see a menu. What if I want something different? You are not, you aren't, you're not going to, huh? You're not, I've known you for years. You get the difference. No, you get the, and not just you, David too.
We all get the same thing. Yeah. Okay.
So here's, this is the problem. You have a very narrow view of my culinary habits or my dining habits. Um, because when we go out to eat, it is in the middle of the workday. So I'm like, I know I'm getting this from this restaurant because it's quick. I just get it. I don't have to think about it and I'm going to eat it and we're gonna get back to work.
Same thing. If I'm going out for fun, I'm not going to try to get the quickest thing and rush through what I, what I like or don't like. And I want to make a decision. I half disagree. I think your, I think your demeanor is calmer, but I think you're getting the same thing. I just don't think we live in this fantasy world where we, and it's not just you, this is not a Ryan attack. This is everybody who's not me.
Well, here's the truth comes out. I don't think we're living in this fantasy world where we actually try new and adventurous things. My wife is the same way. She's like, I want to look at the menu in case I want something different. And she gets fettuccine Alfredo every time.
Okay. Every time she's getting the same thing. She's getting the ACP or she's getting the La Chilupa. I know what she's going to get. So the whole let's, I don't, I'm not impressed by this whole, let me see if I want something different.
It's not like, I wonder if John will like this. If I try to order something different, it's not for you. It's my meal. It's fake.
It's all fake. And we're wasting time looking at the menu. Okay. So hold on. What we'll go look at the menu. We're doing what I'm saying? That's wasting time, wasting time, wasting time. Okay.
If I'm going out with my family, I want to waste time at the same time. It's like, all right, what if we were all together? And I said, Hey guys, let's get pizza.
And everyone's like, Oh, okay. I know in my brain. I know what goes on pizza, pepperoni sausage, anchovy, pineapple, all that stuff.
I know I will. I will probably not look at a menu. If we're at a pizza place, there are people in this staff probably in this room who were like, well, I just need to see a menu first. Now, if it is a, an obscure, if it's like pizza hut or, you know, big cheese or Papa John's, I don't need to look at a menu because it's a big chain. They have all the same stuff. But if it's like a mom and pop, like, like a random pizza place, I would never usually go.
I want to look at a menu. Maybe they have a different kind of pizza. They don't. What do they have? Buffalo chicken pizza. They've got the spinach and artichoke pizza. What if they have a cheesy bacon and ranch pizza? What if they have a taco pizza? What if they have a cheeseburger pizza? What if they have a loaded baked potato pizza?
That goes into my same argument as before. You're not ordering that. No one's going to do that. Uh, cheesy gordita crunch, two soft tacos with, uh, no lettuce or I might sub out the, um, to two cheese rollers. Okay. Guess what? What? I just came back with Taco Bell. I got you your order, but guess what I got?
What? I got the grilled cheese burrito. That looks good, doesn't it? It's fine. You want a bite of it, don't you?
Sure. You didn't order it though cause you didn't look at the menu. I don't need to do it cause I know they have it.
No, you don't. Cause they don't have it anymore. They took it off the menu.
So how'd you get it? What about the, did you go fish it out of the dumpster? What about the Cheez-It burrito? How'd you get the Cheez-It like gordita crunch?
What is that? It's on the menu. You would know you'll get the menu. Oh, got you.
But I don't want it that bad. Like if we said, and we're running out of time. If I said, Hey guys, we're getting Chinese food. Would y'all say, I need to look at the menu.
Cause I would want to look at the menu. They've got General Tso's chicken and broccoli. They got the same thing that every other Chinese place has. You don't need a menu. What do I order from a Chinese place?
Dad, I don't know. We don't eat Chinese. Precisely. But I'm saying, I know your order for everywhere else that we go. So you don't, and you do too. Because we go at work. We go at the work life. We got to bring Dr. Sean.
I guess, look, cause guess what? I noticed when we went to the Mexican place today, Dr. Sean didn't need the menu. He got, he sat down, ordered the chili rellenos or he got, what did he get today? He got the, he got, he gets what he usually gets.
I think it was the chili rellenos. I wasn't paying attention. Cause I don't have to pay attention cause I know.
He didn't look at the menu one bit. So let's bring him in and see what he says. But again, I'm saying I know I'm in the minority, but I think it's a waste of time. As an adult, you ought to know what you like. Here's the thing.
And we'll break after this. Write in and let us know which you are because I feel like you're either a menu person and you're fine with people who don't use the menu or you're a non-menu person and you despise everyone who uses the menu. So this is a very one-sided discussion. I think those people are pretty rare.
Like you don't use a menu and I am fine with that, but I use a menu and that irks you. Well, a little bit. Here's the issue. But I keep it inside. Here's the issue.
This is an inside thought. Write in and let us know which side of the menu debate you follow on 2525825028. Or you can visit us online at cleerviewtodayshow.com.
Check the menu. We'll be back after this. Hey Ryan. Hey John. Hey man, I'm having an awesome time doing the Clearview Today show with you.
Thanks man. I hope people are having an awesome time listening to it. Well listen, I think our listeners would actually be interested to know that Clearview Today is not the only podcast we produce. Oh, do go on.
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Love it. John, you ready to hop back in? Let's do it. Welcome back to Clearview Today with Dr. Abaddon Shaw, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. You can visit us online at Clearviewtodayshow.com.
If you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text, 252-582-5028. You got a squeaky chair, bud. I was trying to do it. I was trying to get a reaction. I was saying you were a consummate professional, though. You did not break that rhythm.
I was like trying to get you to notice or compromise the scene. The show must go on. That's right.
Hey, listen, we're here in the Clearview Today studio with Dr. Abaddon Shaw, who's a PhD and New Testament textual criticism professor at Carolina University, author, full time pastor and the host of today's show, Dr. Shaw. I'm going to ask you a question. Do you remember what you ordered at lunch today?
Yes. What did you order? I ordered these tortilla. They're supposed to be like street tacos. And they were camarones, shrimp and beans and the pico sauce and maybe hot sauce with it. And this is really the key question.
And I feel like earlier things got kind of crazy in the intro. We're going to circle back to this. Did you need a menu to know what you wanted? No, I didn't. I respect that about you because you're a grown man who has lived enough life to know generally what you like in a restaurant. That's right. And so you didn't need to pick it off of me.
No. You didn't need to be told, hey, here's what you're going to get. You just say like, I'm a grown man and I know what I like and I'm going to order what I like. And I've always, I've always loved that about you.
In fact, there's an epidemic of boys, I'm not even going to say men, but little boys who are like, I can't eat unless I pick it off a piece of paper. So David, do you want to respond to this? I mean, is this, I feel like it's directed towards you. It's definitely not directed toward me. It's directed at Ryan. He's the one that was the menu.
No, no, no. Here's the other side of what Johnny isn't sharing with you. John is the order, the type of person to go and do a restaurant and sit down and order and just expect the restaurant to be able to make whatever he wants. He's like, well, you've got the ingredients in the back. You just whip that up for me.
I think that's fine. Do that for me. Because if I, because if I went into a Mexican restaurant and said, could I please have some taco, three tacos with beef? And they said, sir, we don't do that. I'd be like, what do you mean?
Right? So some of us, some of us, when we go to a Mexican restaurant, we don't order three tacos with beef. Some of us want to try the fajita Texana. Some of us want to try the chili con carnage. Some of us want to try the chili rellenos. Can I tell you something? I've been to Dr. Shaw.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I've been to over 20 or to 25 different Mexican restaurants with Dr. Shaw. He's ordered chili rellenos or what was the other one? Fajita Texana.
All of them. They all have it. Never has I've ever seen anybody tell Dr. Shaw, Hey, we don't have that because they're all the same. You're not correct. You're not correct. If I went to the other Mexican restaurant in town and said, can I have the fajita Texana?
They would be like, we don't have anything called that. No, I know Dr. Shaw, you are not anti menu. You're just like, I don't need it. Right. I just don't need it. And I think that's, that's what I really I've, and I've always said that I look up to you for that. If you, if we are going for a lunch where time is of the essence, like it is, it's a business where we're like sitting down, trying to figure stuff out, getting stuff done.
I'm not going to look at a menu. I know I'm going to get boom done. Let's get the food, let's eat it. Let's accomplish it and let's get back to work. But if we're going to hang out, if we're just out having fun, let me see what's out there. Okay.
I'll try this. Okay. Yes.
For you, Dr. Shaw. Okay. Will you try new things in a restaurant? Will you be like, Hey, I want to just see what's on the menu and try something new. Look at a restaurant I've already been at. Maybe time.
Sure. Rarely. Same.
Same. Once I, and I, and my, my point of contention, even if I look at it, I go back to my old, it's like, and I look at it, and it's like, okay, let me have that. This is true of Ellie. I think it's true of Ryan and David and pretty much everyone on our staff, but they won't admit it. I think they're the same way. They're like, I might want to try something new.
They look at the, and then they don't. It's like, just listening and not watching the show. You can't see how many times I've rolled my eyes at John thus far, but it's been more than 10. Yeah, no, it's funny.
It's funny. The verse of the day today is coming to us from John chapter 11 verse 27. She said to him, yes, Lord, I believe that you are the Christ, the son of God who is to come into this world. I think that's really the, the, the fundamental thing is that belief, you know what I mean?
That belief in Christ and that profession of faith. Yes. We went to the place where Peter actually said that about Jesus. That was one of the coolest places that you've ever taken. Caesarea Philippi.
Yes. So we went way up north. This is the Northern side of Galilee, if I'm not wrong, to Caesarea Philippi.
This is like, you're on the way to the Golan Heights. That's where we run into Caesarea Philippi. And they have on the side of the mountain, they have all these, these niches in the wall where they used to have statues. And they say that some of the statues go back to Greco Roman times.
So you're going back even prior to the time of Christ. And at one of those niches was the statue of Pan, Peter Pan. But not the Peter Pan, as you see in the Disney movie.
This is Peter Pan as in the God Pan. And, and so, so imagine that on the side of the wall of the mountain, you have these sanctuaries, these temples, and one of them was a temple of the God Pan. If you go further to the right is where you have this spring coming in, coming down the mountain. And you don't see the spring where it's coming from, but it's coming through the mountain, I believe. And you see, you see the stream running past, past the parking lot and then keeps going. It's a beautiful sight. And on the other side of that, again, on the same side of this mountain that we're talking about is this massive, massive pit in the mountain. And that's where they would, they would sacrifice goats. Wow.
To, to, to whatever God, I guess. And it's kind of pretty eerie looking. I always wanted to go down in that, in that thing, just to see, but just to see what it's like. Yeah.
But they don't, you cannot go down there. Yeah. Yeah.
But it's pretty cool. But that's the place where Peter confessed that Jesus is Christ. And just like that. Yeah. This is Martha, right before Jesus brings Lazarus back to life. This is Martha confessing, you know, I believe that you are the son of God. Yeah. And speaking of, you know, people confessing that Jesus is Christ.
I know that's sort of been what you have been hyper-focused on for these past few weeks, months. The confession of the Ethiopian eunuch, which was not original. It's not original text, but it's a confession that is found in some of the Western manuscripts. And when I say Western, for those who are text critically familiar, this is a Western with quotation marks. So you're writing a paper. I am. And are presenting it. Let's see in real time. You're presenting it in two days from now.
That's right. But, but as far as recording time presenting it next week, at ETS in San Diego, California. Are you excited?
I am. So here's, here's a great question that I've, I've been having, not to call my own question great, but it's a question that I've thought about for a while, because this is the second big national paper that you've written for ETS. What is the scholarly preoccupation or the scholarly focused on short form literature? What I mean by that is if, if the goal is to one day write a book, why do a lot of scholars spend so much time getting articles and writing journal like journal articles and papers to present rather than spending that extra time to actually just write the book? Great question.
So they're not just short form. Okay. Okay. They are in a sense, like almost like samples that you want other chefs to try, not just other people, other chefs to try and tell you is that, was that good? Did it taste good? Did it have the right texture?
Right. Did it have the right ingredients? Did it have the right scent?
I mean, just, you want them to really feel it out and tell you, yes, that was great. Or, I don't know. I don't think you're, I mean, I've sat in papers. In fact, I was a moderator at a paper that I kind of found myself to be out of my league.
This is back in, I want to say 2000 and maybe three. I just, I was, I signed up to be a moderator. I was also reading a paper at the time of 2004, I believe. And I, Howard Marshall, who wrote the commentaries on the pastoral epistles, you know, very famous scholar. He passed away since then. But anyways, he was, he was present at the paper and one of his students was reading a paper who also already had a PhD.
So this is not like a student reading a paper. He was a PhD teaching at a big, you know, seminary. And his mentor, I, Howard Marshall, was sitting in the room. And so the guy read the paper and I was like, I was a moderator.
So I like stood up and introduced him and then sat down and I'm like, you know, looking very studious. Like I understand what's happening. And I knew what he was saying.
It was not like so, so obscure. Like I couldn't understand a word. No, I knew what he was saying. I just didn't know enough about the paper to really know whether he was right or wrong.
And I remember I, Howard Marshall, like, you know, sitting there, he's like, and he had a British accent. So he's like, I don't, I don't think your thesis, I don't, I don't think this really, you have really proven your thesis. Is that sort of the death knell right there? Yeah. I was like, wow. I'm like, how do you respond? You are a PhD and you're, you've already passed your exam. You've been teaching for four or five years at this point. I even know the name of the professor.
I'm just not going to say it. But I was like, your mentor just told you, which means your PhD is, was it good? I don't know. So the guy who says that, I don't think you proved your, that was his mentor. That was the guy who like, he got his PhD program. Yes. Yeah.
So for him to say about this paper, which was something different that I don't know, it was good. That's not the feedback you want to receive. No, especially not in public. Yeah, no, that's definitely not, that's not the feedback. Was it like a in public full of all the people? Yeah, it was a big room. And so at the time I was, you know, this is 2004, I want to say, maybe four or three, I can't remember.
It doesn't matter. But I'm trying to like, you know, I want, I want to write, I want to be a great scholar. So I'm like getting everywhere I can go. And I'm a moderator of this session. So I'm like, okay, okay, I'm climbing the ladder and then sitting there going, that looked like a good paper to me. And then for his mentor to say, so that made me realize, okay, so papers are not just, hey, everybody clap for me. Well, they will clap for you. When you're done with the paper, they all clap. But then begin the questions. And you have people sitting there who know your field, who are there not to waste their time.
They're there to really learn from you. And then to ask you some questions about your paper. And if it is not good, or if your thesis doesn't hold, then they will tell you. So you're presenting a paper that's not an article yet. Will it become an article? I hope so. Okay.
I hope so. Okay. What does it take to make that jump from paper to article?
So there is one article that I, in fact, it was a paper last year, Ephesians 5.30, if you remember that, the flesh and bone. So I'm working on cleaning it up. Just need a little time.
It's been a busy year. But once I'm done doing the touch up to it, it will become an article. So an article is just a refined, polished, and published paper? Yes. Okay. Do you have to defend your paper at the CTS? Will there be questions and people like... Oh, yes.
Really? The people there. Did they do it at your... Ephesians 5.30? Yes, they did. I did a very good job with my paper.
So there were not many questions. They were like, you covered it very well. So several people were there. Some famous names were there. I mean, like when I say famous, like president of a seminary was there. Some text critics were there.
Very awesome. So people from Cambridge were there. So I was kind of humbled to see, wow, they showed up. They showed up.
There was a time when I used to do my paper. This is like 2005. We're almost wish like, nobody come. Please, nobody come.
Really? Nobody come. Maybe I'll get lucky. Like, a bunch of students can come.
That'd be great. But I had one of my papers. I think this was like, I want to say 2005 in Philadelphia. I was doing an ATS paper. It's like 19 years ago. That's crazy. Harold O.J.
Brown showed up, who wrote the book on heresy. Wow. Yeah. That's incredible.
Yeah. He supported my paper. He said, this is a good paper. And then he said something about it. And I didn't know who he was until I saw his badge. I was like, Harold O.J.
Brown? That's pretty good. That's pretty awesome. The goal is for our staff, our team, to understand that I have built this foundation, right, through God's grace, through God's strength, through everything, for these past 25 some years, built this solid foundation.
Now, build upon this foundation something that God has designed you to be, has gifted you to be that he hasn't gifted me to be. It's often tell, Ryan, that you have little kids, which means you still have 20 years with them, right? I mean, maybe 15 years. With Asher is how old now? Six. Six.
So you have close to 15 years of working with him until he is graduating. That's kind of crazy. 15 years. That is. Your whole family's out. Crazy. Can you think about that?
15 years, you're empty nesters. That's crazy. That's crazy. I don't think he's going to listen to the rest of this show. He's gone. He's out. He's just swirling.
I got that like thousand yard stare, like. Yeah, he's going downhill. 15 years, empty nesters. Yikes. But then again, it's a long time. This is what's going on in his brain right now. It's not even that. It's not even that.
It's just spiral. But if you can use the great experience you have, the learning, the teaching, the education you have, and then the next 15 years, take all of that to be the voice on youth ministry now and for ages to come. Could you not write and produce things that will not only impact parents today, but also set the course for how student ministry can be done if Jesus doesn't come back tomorrow or by the end of this millennium, that if Jesus doesn't come back for another 500 years, the people will still look back to.
So let's turn back to 2025. And over here, there's this person who was a pastor to students, and he was doing this. And he said this, or he wrote these works, and he documented them with this information on how a successful student ministry works at any time and any place.
That's what you should be doing. Same thing with music. It's not just... Because music will change. 200 years from now, people may not be singing like we sing today. Doesn't mean that they'll be singing air or something weird, but they will still have music. Music has been there ever since the beginning of time. Could you not help create, not just music as in singles, but also music as in how can every generation, whatever time, whatever place, sing and produce music to the glory of God? Definitely.
Not based on the instruments we have today or not based on the style we have, but something more and give people what worship is all about. Give people what raising children is all... I mean, that is what I'm saying. It's not just that, hey guys, don't come up here.
No, definitely. And I think there's lots of people in ministry who want to use their talents and their time to do those things. But I think they're being almost conditioned by external forces and people in the church to think that you have a different destiny.
And once you get to that point, then you're ready to retire. That doesn't make sense to me. No, exactly. I agree.
I agree 100%. So going back to this issue of writing papers, writing papers is for that purpose. You're putting things out there. You're studying new subjects, topics, and then experimenting in a sense with other professors, other experts in the field to see if your subject is viable, and then using that to produce an article out of that. And then maybe simultaneously you're writing books. And I think writing books is important. But what I found with the best scholars, no matter which field it is, the best scholars who are really good, not just famous, but really good, are those who are writing books and articles simultaneously. Is it an oversimplification to say that articles are mainly for other scholars and books are for the wider public? No, there are books written for other scholars too. So I won't say necessarily that's what it means. But of course, articles don't pay, books pay. So that could be a big motivation. But articles can sometimes get lost in journals. But books are books.
Great point. Maybe we should do another episode on how you research, but how do you find these articles? Let's do it. You want to do it?
You want to do another episode? Let's do it. Let's do it. Thanksgiving is tomorrow, but maybe we'll do it the day after.
There you go. If you guys enjoyed today's episode, write in and let us know, 252-582-5028, or you can visit us online at ClearViewTodayShow.com. Don't forget you can partner with us financially on that same website. Every gift that you give goes not only to building up this radio show, but countless other ministries for the gospel of Jesus. John, anything you want to plug as we close today?
Yes, absolutely. Number one, I want to plug Thanksgiving. Make sure you're with your family tomorrow. Send us a great picture of your meals to 252-443-5028.
We want to see those Thanksgiving meals. Second, make sure you buy Dr. Shot and Nicole's book, 30 Days of Praying for America, Daily Devotions to Heal Our Nation. It's available on Amazon right now. You can also get our debut album, Heaven Here and Now. You can stream it on iTunes or Spotify. You can buy it on the Apple iTunes store. You can stream it on Apple Music, I should say.
But it's available pretty much anywhere digital music is streamed and or sold. Who had the secret word? Me! Oh no! What was the secret word? What was the secret word? It's a terrible word, by the way.
What was it? It's a terrible word. The word is, surmocination. Surmocination? What? What is surmocination? Is that English? It's a discourse.
It's a sermon. Surmocination. Surmocination. Yeah. Well, unless it's surmocination, but I think it's got to be surmocination. Wow. Well, I don't want to wish shame on Dr. Shah, so let's wish shame on David Williamson for giving up that word. Of course. Every time he can.
Surmocination. All right. See you, David. Enjoy. If anybody wants to engineer our radio show, we are putting our feelers out there.
252-582-5028. Yes, we're willing to engage in surmocination about your position. Very nice. Hope you guys have a wonderful Thanksgiving with your family. We'll see you here tomorrow on the Clear Read Today show. We love you guys. We'll see you tomorrow on Clear Read Today. Bye.
