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For any reason, we're going to leave a couple of links in the description of this podcast, so we can do just that. We had some mail come in. We just got a letter. We just got a letter, Opa Blues Clues style.
We just got a letter. I wonder what it says. I wonder who it's from. I wonder who it's from.
I wonder who it's from. Shout out to Steve. Shout out to you, Steve.
You're one of my favorite people in the world, Steve, and guess what? This one's for you. Here's the mail, it never fails. It makes me want to wag my tail.
When it comes, I want to wail mail. This one is from Mark. You know what? While I was singing that theme song, I should have been pulling the... I should have been pulling it up. This is from Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch. Marky Mark from Western North Carolina is what he said. Marky Mark wanted to let you guys know I'm pulling it up right now.
I'm not stalling. Here it comes, three, two, one. Hello, Clearview Fellows on the burrito thing. It really chaps my hide when they're folded, only to receive nothing but a big mouthful of tortilla with that first bite. God bless y'all and what you do for the Lord, Mark in Western North Carolina.
Oh, it chaps my hide, too, Mark. I want to tell you, man, thank you for writing in. If you guys are not familiar with what Mark's saying, you can go back and listen to one of our episodes last week, where we basically did a gripe vine segment on when you bite into a burrito, and that first bite, you want that first bite to be everything you ever dreamed of, but it's just a glob of sour cream, or in Mark's situation, it's just folded up tortilla. Most of the time, that's where I end up, is the first bite is really just tortilla.
I feel like mine's a sour cream or sauce, because I put a lot of sauce on it. I feel like we could get over this hump, and I've been watching you, Ryan. Ain't that cool? I'm your buckaroo.
I want to be like you. I've been watching... You were on it with the songs today. I'm just... Man, you're a master lyricist. Have been watching you.
I'm a poet, and I didn't know that I was one. Wow. I've been watching you eat burrito bowls. Yeah.
And at first, I was like, that's the dumbest thing I think I might have ever seen in my life. Yeah. The older I've gotten, and this is crazy, you have this effect on me, but I think also on others, where you do weird things, like wear silly socks, wear Hawaiian shirts... Sure. Eat burrito... I don't have a Hawaiian shirt on today. That's true.
That's true. It's the bird shirt. It's the bird shirt.
It's the bird shirt. You do odd things, and you eat burrito bowls, and I'm always like, what an odd guy. And somehow, I end up doing them. If it weren't for you, I never would have played Mass Effect. I never would have started wearing silly socks.
I never would have started wearing Hawaiian shirts. And now, I'm really considering eating burrito bowls. I think the whole thing of the disappointing burrito would be solved.
It really is. You can control the ratio of things in the bite. Actually, what I've found most places, you'll get more in a burrito bowl than you do in the burrito, because they have a container to fill, and they have just a tortilla. It's kind of win-win. The only thing stopping me is, my burrito bowl would reflect my burrito, which is ground beef, cheese, sour cream, stop.
The end. So, lest some young lady filling up my burrito bowl think I'm a four-year-old that doesn't eat vegetables, I'm sort of hesitant to start the burrito bowl thing. That's fair.
So, what you could do, conversely, what you could do is add a little bit of salsa to the mix, and then you just use it as dip for tortilla chips. Yeah. Yeah.
I do like it. But then I forgo the chips and just eat my bowl of slop. You could do that. I would, yeah. It would actually be fewer calories if you did that. I may start doing it. I may start doing the burrito bowls and just seeing what happens.
Mark, maybe that's what you need to do, Mark. I will expect to see you in a bird shirt tomorrow. I probably will wear a Hawaiian shirt tomorrow. Tomorrow is Wednesday, my dudes, so I will probably have the honor of the Wednesday with a Hawaiian shirt. If I can get a pink one, that would be, I think, the top. That would be nice, because on Wednesdays we wear pink.
That's right, exactly. We are referencing so many things today. I want to reference Dr. Shaw back to this text message that Mark has sent in, because I'm curious to know what his thoughts are.
Write in and let us know your take on the burrito versus burrito bowl debate 2024. Write in and let us know, 2525825028, or you can visit us online at clearevutodayshow.com. We'll be back after this. Hello, Clearview family. I'm Nicole.
And I'm David. And we want to talk to you today about the Clearview app. You know, there are so many churches out there that put their sermons on YouTube and their announcements on Facebook and their prayer list on Periscope.
I didn't even know Periscope was still functional. Oh, it's not. And that's why nobody can find their church's prayer list and nobody's prayers be getting answered. But here at Clearview, we believe in making our content as accessible as possible. That's right. Clearview produces so much content every single week, including Dr. Shaw's sermons, original music, a full online store, weekly prayer gatherings, and so much more. Not to mention the number one best selling Christian talk show of all time.
I don't know if that's accurate. Well, maybe not yet, but that's why we want people to download the app. If you're listening from the Triangle area, we encourage you to check out Clearview Church in person. But if not, you can still follow all of our content on the Clearview app.
It's 100% free on the Apple Store and Google Play Store. And best of all, all of our content is right there in one convenient spot. Make sure you download the Clearview app today, and let's get back to the show. Welcome back to Clearview Today with Dr. Abbadan Shah, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. You can visit us online at ClearviewTodayShow.com, or if you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text at 252-582-5028. That's right, and we're here once again in the Clearview Today studio with Dr. Abbadan Shah, who is a PhD in New Testament Textual Criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show. You can find all of his work on his website.
That's AbbadanShah.com. Dr. Shah, we did have someone write into the show today, just wanted to thank us for the good work that the Lord is doing. This is from Mark in Western North Carolina. He did not give a middle initial, but what do you think the last name could potentially be? Hmm, Wymariner. Mark Wymariner? Wymariner.
Mark Wymariner from Western North Carolina. Hello, Clearview Fellows on the burrito thing. Oh, yeah. It chaps my hide when they're folded, only to receive nothing but a big mouthful of tortilla with that first...
It chaps my hide. Did he really write that? Yeah. I love it. He's from Western North Carolina. I like this guy. He's hilarious. He chaps my hide.
And I'm with you too, Mark. He wants that first bite to be just the best burrito bite of all time. It's like July 4th happening.
Yeah, it just explodes in your mouth. Not Cinco de Mayo, by the way. I know we're talking about burritos, but it's still July 4th. July 4th, right. The fireworks.
It's got to be the fireworks. Would you ever make burritos for July 4th? Sure, why not? Yeah?
Yeah, why not? That's pretty good. You know, talking about that, if you ever go to the Alamo, we often just go and we celebrate Bowie, you know, Jim Bowie, and we celebrate who we? Bowie. Bowie. Not Bowie.
How do you say it? Or David Bowie? Or David Bowie. David Bowie is a musician. No, that's David Bowie. You're talking about David Bowie. You just say David Bowie. Like the weird guy from Labyrinth? Yeah, I'm talking about Jim Bowie is the guy with the knife. Who's the guy with the raccoon hair?
And David Bowie got his name from Jim Bowie. Hold on one second. Hold on one second. Davy Crockett. Davy Crockett. We can't put this out unless that looks like a moron.
We got to cut this out. No, wait a minute. So Davy Crockett is the guy with the raccoon hat. Jim Bowie. Johnny Appleseed.
Pot on the head. Hold on. Stop.
You're confusing me. Tell me who Jim Bowie is. The guy with the knife. Okay. The Bowie knife.
Bowie knife. Got you. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And so he was there at the Alamo. Let me see.
Y'all keep talking. Yeah, yeah. So that was the thing that I didn't know because I knew the, remember the Alamo, raccoon hat. Davy Crockett. Davy Crockett. David Bowie is the freak from Labyrinth. Davy Crockett.
That's the one that the Flight of the Conchords did bowies in space. I don't know if you've heard that. But here's the interesting thing, since you bring him up, David Bowie, he got his name from Jim Bowie. Oh, okay. Because that's not his original name.
I didn't know that. Yes. That's not his original name. Oh, like a stage name. Like he picked that.
And he got it from Jim Bowie. Nice. Very nice. Yeah.
There you go. You wear a far off. That's probably one of the only normal things about him. Have you ever seen Labyrinth?
Don't watch it. It's weird. It's a dream.
It's a dream. He was the goblin king in Labyrinth. So going back to the Alamo for just a minute, this Burrito conversation sparked this memory. Because one of the chapters in our book, 30 Days of Praying for Our Nation, under Forgotten Heroes, there's a chapter called Forgotten Heroes, which is number 21.
That's right. And when we talk about the Alamo, we often remember William Travis, who was a commander. We remember Jim Bowie, who was a pioneer known for his knife. He was there. And your buddy, Davy Crockett, was there. Davy Crockett was there.
Yep, yep. He was a frontiersman and former US congressman. He was there.
James Bonham, he is kind of like a second lieutenant from South Carolina, which we don't know him as much. But we definitely know Jim Bowie and Davy Crockett, right? But did you know that those were not the only people who were there? I didn't know that. I mean, there were a lot of other people there.
Soldiers and such. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And there were also Mexican and Tejano patriots who were there fighting to stay American. Wow. Not that I didn't know. Yeah. So we often just think it's a bunch of Americans out there fighting all the, you know, all the soldiers of Santa Ana's force, but that's not true. Some of those names are like Juan Abamillo, Juan Badillo, Carlos Espalier, Gregorio Esperaza, Antonio Fuentes, Calba Fugua, Jose Guerrero. And these are names that we don't associate with the Alamo, but these were the people who also fought and died there.
Wow. On the American side. That's right. They fought to be American. So you don't hear that.
You don't hear that part of the story. So the reason I share that is because, you know, as the world is starting to divide us as Americans, we need to remind people, hey, no, America is far bigger than you have imagined. Great point.
And there are Hispanic Americans who are very patriotic, who love this country and are proud to be Americans. 100%. Love it. So love the burrito. Amen. I will cook it.
I will have it on 4th of July. There you go, man. In their memory.
That's in my language now. Thank you so much to Mark for writing in. You guys make sure you write in as well, two five two four five eight two five zero two eight.
I almost gave up my actual phone number. All right. Get us into the current events. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the Clear View Current, where we cut through the chaos of today's headlines with a clear Christian perspective.
We're here to keep you up to date on what's going on with the world, big or small. There was a study, Dr. Shad, of gray matter research that posted a lot of post-COVID church attendance numbers. I'm not going to lie. They weren't great. Yeah.
They weren't great. You want to read us some of those stats coming from gray matter church consulting? Yeah, let's do it. So prior to the pandemic, 5% of all church-going evangelicals, they first found the church they regularly attended by viewing services digitally. In the midst of the pandemic, which is 2020, 2021, this doubled to 10%. And then among evangelicals who began their current church search in 2022 or more or more recently than that, it's up to 15%. So people are looking, but they're looking not in person.
They're looking online. It's getting bigger, but the percentages are still like objectively small. Like the attendance is not the big boom that I think we were promised, especially by other pastors who wanted to, or even just church leaders who wanted to back off of this thing saying, hey, digital is going to be the way we go.
This is the way of the future. And it's like, there was a small increase, but not nearly the numbers I think we were expecting. Because there's something about in-person connection. And I know there are people who cannot because just physically they cannot do it. But I don't think that's really the reason for a lot of people who are staying home and watching and they may even be tithing and giving.
And I commend you for that. We have people in our church who tithe and give. Some of them are physically unable to get out and I totally understand their situation, their predicament. But then there are people who are able to get out, but they choose not to because it's easier to sit at home, watch the service, take it easy, be in their pajamas, and then eat the leftovers from Saturday night and chill.
A family comes over to visit and they hang out or whatever, or they go somewhere to visit. And to me, that is absolutely wrong. It's wrong because you're treating it like, oh, it's like a snow day from school. Like I get to stay home, not have to sacrifice anything to go and worship the Lord.
I can do it from right here in my armchair and it's guilt-free because I actually was able to do it. And I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that social aspect, but also just the numbers don't lie. If that's true, then that means 75 to 76% of people are still going to a church just in person and finding churches that way.
Yeah. And we're talking about first time visitors checking out churches that's still 75, 76%. So why would I sit at home and be like, I know the majority of people are still doing it this way.
It should be done. And even though there's no clear and present danger here, I'm just going to continue to watch church online. And that's going to be how I feed myself spiritually. And a lot of people have told me that who are coming to church and have been coming, some came back that when they stayed away, whether it was for a week or whether it was for six months or to a year, you know, we had some people who did not come back for like a year and a half when they did come back, they said, oh my goodness, that just was not right. It did not feel right. It did not sound right.
Nothing was right about that. So on one hand, I commend people who are watching online because they cannot get out, just not physically able to get out, but at the same time, I want to challenge people who can, but they're choosing to stay comfortable and they're missing out on something that is invaluable, which is the face-to-face connection with the people of God. The Hebrews talks about that, do not forsake the assembling of yourselves together. And if we truly believe that, assembly cannot just happen behind screens. Of course we can make it happen.
We tried it and it worked for a little while. And for some people it has to be, but that is not at all how it's supposed to be. In assembling face-to-face or in a room or sanctuary, whatever, you're able to connect with each other, you're able to respond. There is some reciprocity that is happening that cannot happen when you're sitting behind a screen or your tablet or your phone.
It just cannot happen. That's right. And we work very hard at Clearview to make our live streaming experience the best that it could possibly be. But one thing that I see, and I know you would probably agree with this, I see churches messing up is they want that to be the experience.
They want it to be an experience all your own, something that you just, it's so good that you have to stay home and just see what it's like. And I think a lot of people are finding that it's being hidden behind this mask of, this is how you reach young people. But I'm looking at this gray matter research right now and it said 4% of evangelicals under 35 found their church through a digital service, 4%. But they're saying, this is how you reach the young people, man, this is why you got to invest in all this live streaming stuff and you got to just make it as excellent as possible. Well, only 4% of people actually found their church through digital means. That's funny, isn't it?
Yeah, it is. And we spend so much time trying to attract them young folks and they're like, we're not even looking at it. We're not looking at it at all. We're not looking in person. We're looking for meaningful relationships, which is why I'm so thankful, Dr. Shah, like through when we had to do parking lot services and we had to meet outside, it wasn't just worship services. We did those, but there was also Blaze Kids service on Sunday morning for our children and their families.
And there was also service for our students, our student ministry on Sunday nights. Because I mean, if we're looking at these numbers correctly, the numbers where people who are younger are looking for digital services is very, very small. They want that in-person connection.
They want that meaningful relationship. Absolutely. And you cannot deny with the facts and here are the facts that in-person matters. So if you are there listening to this radio show or watching it online or YouTube, whatever, and you do not attend service and you physically can, then you should go to bed on time Saturday night. Get up early enough Sunday morning, take your time, because since you haven't been doing this for a while, you may need a little extra time to get ready.
Get ready and go to the church where God's word is preached, the gospel is preached and get connected with people. And tell your pastor you're sorry, man, I'm sorry I laid out for two or three years looking at it. It's been like four years now, again, in 2020, this is 2024. Four years. Can you believe that?
Four years. And how many of you guys are sending your tithes in digitally? I guarantee you none of them. Not one person. Maybe some are.
Maybe some are. And thank you for doing that. We appreciate it.
You are doing it. Thank you. We appreciate you.
That's a wrap for today's edition of The Clear View Current. Thanks for tuning in and staying connected with us as we navigate this crazy world's events together. Until next time, keep your hearts lifted, your mind sharp, and your spirit joyful. Dr. Shah, today's verse of the day is coming to us from First Kings chapter nine and verse three. It says, and the Lord said to him, I have heard your prayer and your supplication that you have made before me. I have consecrated this house, which you have built to put my name there forever.
And my eyes and my heart shall be there perpetually. What a fitting topic. Yeah, I was going to say, did you pick this out? I didn't.
No. That's so funny. In fact, I'm glad you asked because all these verses are brought to you by the day's sponsor, Date the Word app.
You can get it for free right now on your iPhone or Android. Thank you to Date the Word. No, I did not pick it for that purpose. That's funny. That is talking about I have consecrated this house, which you have built to put my name there forever. And of course, you know, this is God's house, a temple and all that, but it also applies to us in some way. There's an application there for a physical location where the church body meets. Right. And we just talked about that.
You always get the people who are like the hyper spiritual. It's not about the building. It's not about the building.
It's about the church. Yeah. Correct.
Yes. But I mean, don't you think that God's people throughout the scripture have said the same thing? Like we are the ones that God is working on. We're God's people. But there is something important about meeting together in a building together.
Where do you meet? A hundred percent. In fact, wrote a song about it right here on Clear View Worship. I hate to keep plugging our stuff, but hey, that's why we have a show for. It's called The Gathering. We released it in 2020, I think, at the height of all this craziness. Make sure you grab it on iTunes or Spotify right now.
We'll leave a link in the description. Yeah. I truly did not pick that at all. That was kind of crazy. That's the Holy Spirit. That's very weird.
That's right. Holy Spirit. Well, I think the Holy Spirit has given us something else to talk about because someone else wrote in to the show. We've been getting more and more and more. We get a lot of text messages and a lot of people ask these questions that we feel like would be good for lightning round questions.
But then it's like, once you ask it, it's like, well, it's its own discussion. Anna V from NC, what do you think the V stands for? I can take a guess, but I'm not going to. Okay. I can take a guess, too, but I'm going to say V is a hard one.
V is a hard one. Velcro. Anna Velcro from North Carolina, hey, do you guys have an episode on leadership on Clearview Today? And she put some bald eagles and some flag emojis. Nice.
We love the emojis. Yeah. We do talk a lot about leadership. I actually went to start going and finding some of the episodes and then I was like, man, there's so many here and they're so far down, like, I don't know. So I figured maybe we just give her another episode on leadership. Here's a fresh new episode on leadership, specifically, maybe church leadership. Dr. Chell, what are your thoughts on that? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
I mean, we have so many episodes. We've talked about rebuilding a ministry. We've talked about how to lead the staff to cast a vision.
We talked about how to apply vision. We've talked about changing an organization that does not want to follow you. We've talked about how to lead people who don't want to be led. Yeah, true. Very true. We've talked about how to lead people who challenge you, who are critical of you, are cynical of you. And that, I think, is something that a lot of people struggle with.
How to lead people who are sort of upset with you. Yeah, true. True. Especially, I think, during all this, like we were talking about from 2020 onwards, everything sort of changed. I remember when all that happened, everybody was sort of grasping for a purchase, like just trying to find something solid to hold on to. And I remember one of the things you said, I think you were even saying it on the radio show that we were doing at the time, is that everything rises and falls on leadership.
You know what I mean? If the leader isn't strong, then that crisis will change everything, and not for the better. That's right.
That's right. It's important for us, especially in light of how the world has changed, because the world really has changed since the pandemic, since all the shutdowns. The world really has changed. People's approaches to church, people's approaches to life have changed. So if you don't think that your leadership style or your leadership strategies need to change, you are behind the eight ball. I mean, I hate to say that, but you have some catching up to do.
How do you, Dr. Shot, reconcile, either in your mind or just out there in reality, with this idea that leadership is leadership? Church leadership is something different. You know what I mean? Like business leaders, world leaders, they're strong, they're tough.
Hey, they may be a little bit crass, or they may say stuff I don't like, but I want a strong leader. In the church now, that's a sin. I don't want that. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great, great point. There's a balance that is needed there, okay? So on one hand, church leadership is like the leadership in the world. You're inspiring people, you're challenging people, you're protecting the vision, you're trying to help people get to a better place. It's not just giving people what they want, that's what sometimes people think, but what if they want junk? Does that mean my job as a leader is to give them junk? My job is to help them find the most fulfillment, and if I can put it in a Christian language, is for them to find God's plan for their lives. So in that sense, the definitions are very similar to what church leadership is about and what leadership in the world is all about. But when it comes down to church leadership, ultimately, my goal is not just that people will follow me, my goal is that people will follow Jesus Christ.
So things change at that point. It's not just for me to get my will done today and be happy that, hey, everything that I wanted to do and everything that I feel like is the right thing for this organization is being done. No, my goal is for them, each person, to come to know Christ.
That's right. And I love that you have made that decision, we as a church made that decision to put our goals right in front of everybody's face. The first thing you see when you walk in, other than our front desk, is our goals as a church, what our mission statement is. We want to lead people in a life-changing, ever-growing relationship with Jesus Christ. And I think one of the things that trips us up as Christians is there's a lot of Christian quote-unquote leaders whose main goal is to sell you something, to sell you a book, to sell you an ideology, to sell you a sermon series or an album or whatever it is. That's their goal is for you to buy into what they're selling.
And it's masqueraded as this is for your benefit, this is going to bring you close to God. One of the things that's the mark of a good leader is that you look at the transactional relationship between you and the people that you're leading. What is the goal? What is the motivation? Are you leading them so that you can benefit? Are you leading them for what you can get from them or are you leading them because you want what's better for them?
Right, right. And ultimately our goal should be you want something that God has for them and that would help them fulfill his plan for their lives. And I was reading this morning through Ezekiel, I've been reading through different sections in the Old Testament, and in the Old Testament it talks about God promises that one day he will give them shepherds after his own heart. And these are shepherds who will go after the lost, these are shepherds who will go after the broken, these are shepherds who will go after those who are scattered. So that is very distinct when it comes to Christian church leadership that we are an embodiment of Jesus Christ, not just a fearless leader who gets the job done or he conquers more territory than was a sign or he comes out victorious and everybody just, you know, wow, this attaboy or, you know, sings to your praises. This is about doing what Jesus came to do, which is to seek and to save that which was lost. Right, that's right.
So we have to have a different heart. I have to make sure when I lead, whether I'm leading this team here or the church body or leading in the community, is that ultimately does Jesus look down at me and go, yep, you're doing right, keep going, you're good. That's exactly, I know people may not be happy with you or they may be very happy with you, but you're doing exactly what I want you to do.
Keep going. Or does he shake his head and go, wow, look at this guy, he has no sense of my presence. He is busy promoting himself and getting his pockets filled or living his best life. And it's not going to be well done, good and faithful servant. Very true.
Very true. Do you have anything to kind of encourage young Christian leaders, because I think there's a lot of Christian leaders who want genuinely want to be that first type of leader that has the presence of God. But whether it's through fear, failure or being enticed by the wrong people, maybe find themselves just materialistic or just success driven rather than God driven.
Do you have any advice or any encouragement? I would say, you know, learn from the best leaders out there. Watch them, see what they do differently than the rest of the people. Don't just pick leaders because they're famous or they just know how to talk on social media or they're the coolest and the funnest people and happiest people, so it seems. Pick out people who are doing the most for other people. Pick out those kind of people and go, what is it that this person is doing? God, this person is actually through his life or through her life, helping a lot of people. So I want to learn from this person. I want to learn what it means to live a life of influence, you know, not just, remember that we talked about that a while back with John Maxwell. It's not just about what you do, it's not just about what you do for others, it's how you help others help others. That's really success. So those are the kind of people, learn from them, watch, learn. That's what I did. Yeah.
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