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Randall. The verse of the day today is coming to you from Romans chapter 8, verse 22. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. That's rough. Yeah. That's rough.
That's not fun. You know, Jesus gave a very similar analogy in John 16. He says, like, when a woman's giving birth, she's got sorrow because her hour is there.
But then once she's delivered the baby, she doesn't remember the sorrow anymore. And I think... That is very true. Yeah, that's true. That is very true.
100%. And this passage in Romans, it doesn't ignore human suffering, right? Like, it doesn't dismiss it. Pain is very real and humans experience suffering in this life. If you're a Christian or if you're not a Christian, you're going to experience suffering in your life. But the point is that what gets you through that pain is knowing the joy that awaits you on the other side. So also with the Christian life.
Yeah. Everything in the Christian life has a purpose. There's no pain that's wasted. There is pain. There is suffering that you're going to encounter in this world because this world is fallen and broken and filled with sin.
That's right. And we are sinful people. So there is pain that you're going to endure. The beauty of the Christian life is that every moment of pain has a purpose. There is nothing that's wasted.
There's nothing that's just meaningless. God has a plan in everything. Now, you don't always get to know the plan. You don't always get to know the why behind everything.
That's right. But you start asking different questions. So instead of, God, why is this happening? You start asking, God, what can I learn from this? God, what are you trying to teach me?
What can I learn about your character and who I am in you in this moment of suffering? Speaking of things that bring me a great deal of pain and stress, I do want to just say to all of our listeners out there, welcome to the gripe vine. I've been wanting to speak about this for years and years. The gripes taste so succulently fresh.
It's like my house that my kids eat. They just got to make noise. Why is it when people go to shake your hands, like every few handshakes you get is normal, but then like you, sometime you'll stick your hand out and they'll give you the opposite hand. I hate that. Or if you go to and you're expecting a firm handshake and it's like a dead fish, it's like, like, like, like, like, I hate that. What is that?
What is that? Here's what I don't like. Go to shake my hand. No.
Yeah. You just grab my, like if I was going for the dap, that's one thing. But if I'm going, if I'm obviously, if hand is tilted down like this, I'm obviously going handshake. So one of the things, one of the ones that I hate is that if you're not watching the video podcast, just that they grab your fingers, don't grab too soon. You know what I started doing for real? I started curtsying on people when they grabbed my fingers. I started curtsying on them.
I had, I had a guy in the church. He grabbed, he would always, he would grab my fingers and not shake my hand. So one time just as a joke, I curtsied and he was like, whoa, what was that?
I was like, I thought that's what you wanted. He thought it was so funny that we still do it six to seven years later. We still do it.
That's too funny. I've started doing this thing with the middle school boys on Sunday mornings and Sunday school is I'll go to shake their hand, you know, like working on new, being a man, like like teaching manhood. But I go to shake their hand and I say wrong answers only. So they got to give you a weird handshake. Like other hand or they'll stick out a finger or they'll kind of just like flap an arm in there. Like, yeah, like this right here or like sticking an elbow out. They love it.
Yeah, that's fun. But there's some people who just, I guess didn't get taught how to, maybe this is pedantic, maybe this is shallow, but there's some people who just either didn't get taught how to shake a guy's hand or a person's hand or just, they just have really weird handshakes. What I also hate and we need to, we need to go ahead and move on, but what I also hate is the guys who are trying to prove something in a handshake and they try to fracture your fingers. I'm like, dude, calm down.
Like nobody is trying to challenge you. Relax. What do you think?
What do you think? I was trying to fight. Why are you crushing my hand?
We know. I mean, there's a difference between a firm handshake and someone who like is in the gym constantly, super jacked, super buff. Shake your handshake.
It's going to be a strong, firm handshake versus someone who squeezes your handshake so that your knuckles are rearranged. Like, all right, obviously you're trying to prove something. Like you're, like you're the president of a small company that makes like glass or something. I don't know. You, you, you have no business.
You're not a gym rat. You know what I'm saying? Right.
It's from people you don't expect, which I think makes it even funny. Exactly. It's always a guy in a suit. Always a guy in a suit wants to crush your hand.
Yeah. I don't know. Let's ask Dr. Shaw because I know being a pastor, he's got a lot of handshakes. He's probably had the gamut of good and bad handshakes. How many handshakes do you think the average pastor gets in a year? Oh, thousands. Let's ask.
Thousands. Let's ask. Write in and let us know your handshake icks. What is your handshake ick?
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That's right. And we're here once again, the Clear View today's studio with Dr. Abaddon Shah, who's a PhD in new Testament, textual criticism. Dr. Shah, we griped earlier about people first and foremost, I want to say it's a great day, man.
I think it's so good to see. Oh, so it was like, it was like really, we, we griped earlier about people who, if you couldn't see on the radio, we gave a really limp handshake. It was like, Oh, I didn't like that at all. We, we griped about people who you go to shake their hand and it's either way too loose, way too tight, or they just give you the complete opposite hand. Yeah.
The way it's too loose doesn't bother me like you're used to at one time. Way too tight is sometimes like, okay, like what are you trying to prove? Yeah. What are you trying to prove? We talked about that too.
What are you trying to tell us? We got it. Okay. Calm down chief.
Yeah, I get it, bud. The other one is, by the way, do you know, and this goes for all the people out there who are, uh, uh, you know, trying to stay safe in the midst of sicknesses and this troubling time and microbes and the COVID and everything. What is the safest part on the human body? Hmm. It's external.
By the way, it's external. Uh, let's see your eyes. No, definitely not your face. We're talking about handshakes on your hand. It's on the hand, on the hand, on the hand.
Let me think. The palm. No, Palm is not. Palm is not. Palm is definitely not. Cause they don't, they don't want to give you the Palm.
Yeah. That's why people don't want to shake hands because you know, you shake hands, you, you spread the germs. What is the safest part of the hand? The safest part of the hand. Are y'all ready for this? Drum roll. Yeah.
I got you right here. Tell me the safest part of the hand. The knuckles. You got to shake someone's hand. They're like, yeah, they gave me the knuckles.
They're like, Oh, so here's my question. Why knuckles? Do you not think for a moment that those, those germs don't move from the knuckles to the Palm?
How far away are they? And also like you touch your face with your knuckles all the time. It's not like you don't.
I do this way more than I do this. Yeah. Yeah. I, um, I know a guy actually like personally, I know him well who uses his knuckles to wipe his nose like this.
So even then, I mean, you're not safe for fistbumps. No, David. No, I'm not even going, you know what? I'm not going to go make this about you, but I've seen you do that. Yeah. I got it from him. Oh wow. Well, was it, were you the guy you were talking about?
No, no, no, no. I got it from him. I know him well. I see him every morning when I wake up in the mirror. Yeah. I mean, it's my cousin.
I don't think you know him though. You just threw your cousin under the bus. Have you ever had, like you go to shake someone's hand and they do this, the elbow, the elbow. I mean like we're going to do the chicken dance or something. Hey man. Great sermon.
Great sermon today. At that point I'm just like, Hey, I'm good. But I'd rather not touch. I'd rather not touch. If you want to do the chicken dance, I don't want your chicken wing. I mean, I mean, what, what, I mean, you're like maybe two feet away from my face.
So you're breathing the same air that I'm breathing. Make it make sense. Am I going to do the elbow touch? Okay. All right. That's really, I mean, I understand you're here.
Thank you for coming to church. But if you're going to think, if you're thinking of somehow we're going to be safe if we do the elbow touch, I don't know. You're not. The elbow's weird. That's, that's the weirdest one. I think it's like you gotta shake someone's hand. Let me shake your hand. No, no. Give me the elbow. Oh, okay. I got one more.
I got one more cause we need to go into today's discussion. But when I was a kid, this doesn't have anything to do with germs, but when I was a kid, I can't believe I didn't tell this on the, in the intro. We had a neighbor named Doc and he had his hand blown off in Vietnam. It was, it was just a nub and he would bring watermelons to my dad every summer. And like every Friday he would bring a watermelon over and he would be like, put her there boy. And my dad would make me shake the nub. And I'd be like, I'd be like, can I, I was like Gavin's age.
I was like, can I just have the other one? They were like, no, you better shake Doc's nub. He was like, you better shake my nub or it's gonna hurt my feelings. And I would cry and I would shake his nub. I never forgot that. I'm sure they had a lot of laughs watching them cringe.
They loved it. He was in a wheelchair and he had, he had no handle. Was he, was he in the army? I think so. Yeah. He was in the army or the Marine.
He was in, he was definitely in the army. He opened up something and it blew his hand off. I can't remember the story. I mean, that's, that's the thing. You know, we, we appreciate those who serve and have, have those kinds of things happen. Thank you for your sacrifice. That's right. And because of you, we can use our hands.
That's right. Because you paid the price. Somebody pays the price. This day I would gladly shake your hand.
When I was a little kid, I needed some convincing, but I definitely would do it today. Yeah. Yeah. You went, uh, you were, you were pretty harsh on people with, uh, who didn't handshake correctly. I mean, that's a big deal because as a pastor, I mean, you shake hands, we were talking about this. You shake hands quite a bit over the course of the weekend, even throughout the week. I mean, handshakes are a regular part of your life. How many handshakes do you think you do per month?
Oh man, I probably in the thousands. And it's not even like I require people. If you love me, you're going to shake my hand. Remember that video. If you love me, you submit it to me. You know what my heart is. And my message is in the video room.
Shout out to Jim Stanridge. It's just a spirit behind it. That's right.
There are people who are going to cancer treatments and things like that. Yeah. And again, you know, it's in the air, but there's trying to be careful enough to totally understand that you don't have to shake hands because you know, I'm shaking everybody's hands. It's going to pass on to you. I get it. But sometimes I think when we think this is scientific, that we need to leave that behind.
Let's not go third world at this point. And I would say that's a group that deserves to be treated a little harshly. You got to grow up a little bit. But what I was going to say, or what I want to think you were going with it is there's a group that I feel like you were pretty kind of lenient with. And we had a lot of people write in that they didn't expect that. Yeah. Based on Monday's conversation where we talked about the gifts of prophecy, about speaking in tongues, you know, it's not something that's a part of our regular church culture here. So I think people were maybe expecting you to be a little bit more harsh or hard hitting and you were very gracious.
Without compromising exegesis, without compromising God's word, you were very, very kind, very gracious when people may have been expecting a little bit more harsh. Yeah. Cause someone, someone texted in and I liked the way they put it. They didn't give a name, but they said, there's, it seems to be, there's a good difference between we don't do that here and Hey, we, we don't do that here. You know what I'm saying? Like, like it's like, Hey, we, this is not part of our culture versus that's not tolerated here.
Right. It's definitely, I'm never going to do that. So biblically it's not accurate the way people have interpreted tongues to be. I don't think it is helpful to our witness because for one, it's not lining up with scripture, but also it is sending a message that doesn't need to be sent.
It just, it doesn't, doesn't have a message in that. And to be honest, but at the same time, like some people have said, Oh, speaking in tongues. Now that's, that's satanic. That's devilish. And that's where I draw the line. I said, no, that's not correct.
You cannot say that. Right. Because the Bible often reminds us, not often, I mean, but it does remind us that no one can, can affirm that Jesus is the Lord without the Holy Spirit.
That's right. So those same people are claiming that Jesus is Lord and not just the satanic way, you know, even Satan knows that Jesus is Lord, but he's not submitted to him. These folks are submitted to Jesus Christ, but they are doing something that is not biblical.
And, and we have to call that out based on biblical exegesis. So the one reason why I don't come down hard, of course, there's a reason why, where I went to a Pentecostal church. So I know that culture and I've been around the people. So it's not like those people.
I was there, never spoke in tongues, didn't grow up that way. So it didn't take long for me to go, wow, I think there is some, some, some, some misguiding going on here. People are misled, misguided here. Right.
Yeah. Here's another reason why I am not harsh. And, and at the same time, I take the stance I take against this phenomenon of tongues that has been around for some time is because many of the people who are in that circle or come from that denomination or are in those churches are very feelings based. Feelings and emotions are dominating over reason and scripture. Feelings and emotions. So here is where we have to then say, what do you mean? What do I mean is this, because of feelings and emotions, they allow themselves to be led by their feelings. So wherever feelings are going, they're going to go with it. Just let it go.
Just let it go. God's taking you somewhere. He's about to teach you things.
He's about to do some things. You need to just let God lead you, brother. Let him lead you.
Let him just open yourself up. That's bad. That's wrong. That's evil. That should not be dealt with because that can really lead you to a really bad place. But how about these people who are speaking in tongues and doing things that are so outlandish because of giving into emotions, they're doing that.
Is anything positive? Yeah. Because many of our songs are coming from people who are open to the emotions to allow feelings to be part of their Christian life. In fact, they let feelings dominate their Christian life. Does it bring anything good?
Yes. A lot of our songs are coming from that segment of our Christianity, Christian family. They may not call me family, but I call them family. Now keep in mind, feelings are important. Feelings are part of the Christian life. I think many of us err on the side of reason and thought. And in a sense, it is safe, but it can also lead to stagnation.
It is safe, but it can lead to stagnation. Now I know some of my friends on this side who are very much reason-based scripture. This is it. They will say, well, let me tell you something, but that's where we need to be. Okay. What do you like to sing?
Oh, let me tell you something. All this new contemporary mumbo-jump, I don't care. I like those hymns, brother. I like those hymns.
Show me a good hymn, like Amazing Grace. The Charles Wesley, some of the hymns, man, that was an Oxford trained guy singing those hymns. Yeah. Part of the Methodist movement. Yeah.
Methodist movement was known for its emotionalism. That's true. Well, what are you doing with that now? That is kind of odd because I wouldn't suspect that from today.
Yeah. They were known for emotions and guess what? The stalwarts of keeping emotions out, many of them sort of died out. It's that early Methodism that brought revival as people began to sing and they began to feel religion.
You know, even the whole Quaker stuff and everything. I mean, they were talking about the inner light. What is the inner light? It's more than just affirmation or confession. This was inner light means I have something burning inside.
There's some fire in me or it's all based on emotion. So the very hymns that you're claiming, you would not have claimed them back then. Right.
That's true. My question then is, what do you do with David? What do you do with the Psalms?
Yeah. I mean, yes, he's an exception to the rule, certainly because he wrote scripture. However, you don't have to read very many of the Psalms to know that they're very heavy with emotion.
I mean, good, bad and ugly and everything in between. So if emotions are like, if they have no place in the Christian life, then what do you do with the book of Psalms? Right. Yeah. And that's where a lot of times where people who are claiming it's like this emotional garbage, guess what?
Those hymns that you like, they came out of the same emotional garbage, quote unquote. Yeah. And you love them.
And I love them too. Yeah. But they were written because people were, like Wesley and both John and Charles, they both were tired of this stuffy, studgy Christianity that was lifeless. That makes sense. That makes sense.
And so bringing the emotions help. And then, of course, then the excesses came, right? The turn of the 19th century, 20th century, really, when Pentecostalism as a denomination was born, so to speak. And then, you know, we got the excesses now. Yeah, that makes sense. So, and then charismatic movement came as well. And then neo-Pentecostalism came and the third wave came.
And this is just off the deep end. But to say that emotions are wrong and, but I like those old hymns, the old hymns you're claiming to like came out of emotions. Do you think they're just ashamed of having emotions? Do you think they're afraid they're scared of them?
Do you think they think they'll lead to stuff like speaking in tongues and stuff like that? So remember we talked about how people came to America from England. England is the source of where everybody came, right? Of course, there were some from Dutch and Austria and Poland and other places, Italy later on and all that.
But the first few immigrants who came to America, right? Or the settlers, they came from England. Either they came from the south and west of London, or they came from the east and north of London, or they came from the Midlands, or they came from the southern, the border of the southern highlands, okay?
In England. Scottish people. So when you think about that, Quakers are coming from the Midlands.
Midlands, okay, these are low income people. They didn't have much, not many prospects. Nothing like the south or west of London kind of people who were royalists, who had money, who were, you know, had land and all that. Or the Puritans from the north and east, they had values, they had, you know, they wanted to raise their family in the right way. They thought they were the people of God.
They were the new Israel, all that stuff. The Midlands people were like, the emotions are moving me. They're moving me. I'm going to sit here until they move me.
Oh, it's starting. So that's where many of the Quakers came. The Puritans did not like the Quakers one bit.
No. The loyalists or, you know, the people to the south and west of London did not like the Quakers. The Puritans did not like the loyalists and the loyalists did not like the Puritans, but together they hated the Quakers. One like you, you don't like me, but we really hate that guy. Bro, I like that guy. Honestly, forget that guy in particular. So New England people and Virginia people didn't get along, but they had one thing in common. They're both distrusted and disliked the Delaware Valley people. And for right now, that'll be enough.
That's enough. It's sort of like the enemy of my enemy is my friend type situation. Because of feelings. Because we don't know what these people will do next. They're unpredictable.
They're unpredictable and they are led by their feelings and they go with whatever. It makes sense. It makes a lot of sense. And I can see why people can get so, because I remember seeing this kind of thing happening on video. I've never seen it in person until one person came here.
Maybe we can talk about that on another episode. But, you know, not seeing it here and when you don't grow up seeing it, it can be jarring. It can be really jarring. It can be off putting. And so I think that's kind of where people who come here and are not used to it, I think they were surprised because they were like, yeah, he's kind of with us. You know, we don't like that. I was like, well, yeah, I am with them, but I don't see the people who are in the Pentecostal movement as like, they are the enemy.
No. I see them as misguided. And at the same time, I also see them, I don't see them as, man, these are, they are not, they're not Christians. To a contrary, I believe they're our brothers and sisters in Christ.
Which is interesting because- Given us the gift of music and things like that. Which is interesting because I don't know that they would say the same about you if you told them that you don't speak in tongues. I don't know if every, and again, I'm not Pentecostal, I don't know many Pentecostals. I don't know if every single one of them says you have to speak in tongues to be saved, but some of them do.
Some do, some do. They make that, no, I have some brothers who are Pentecostal pastors and we have a great relationship and they know where I stand, but we are united on what matters and I respect them tremendously. They are men of God. They are trying to preach the word. They're trying to love the people. They're trying to live as the Holy Spirit leads them. They love this country. They're standing for truth and righteousness. How in the world can I look at them and say, well, those heretics. Right.
No, I want you to think for a moment. I know there are a lot of ignorant people out there doing ignorant things and it's heartbreaking for me to watch that in our country, but think about the Revolutionary War. I have outlined for you those four people, four people groups, right, based on David Hackett Fisher's work. So you have the Puritans in New England. You have the Loyalist type people in the Virginia colony. You have the Midland people in Delaware who are the Quaker type people, right? They are pacifist.
They will not fight wars. They are open to everybody. In fact, William Penn wanted everybody in his colony. He's like, come on, come on, come on, come on. And the Puritans were like, we don't like this. You're bringing everybody in here. The Virginia people were like, we don't care as long as you know, you make us some money. You know, we were okay with that, but be careful who all you bring here. The Quakers and Midland people who are in the Delaware Valley, New Jersey, Pennsylvania type people, they're like, no, we're good with everybody.
As long as you don't fight with us, you know, that's who we are. Then you have the Appalachian Trail type people who are coming from that border communities in England, Scotland, England, and they're fighting community. They're not very stable. They're moving everywhere. Poverty is there. Weather is there. They're also there.
They're sitting in the Appalachian Mountains, Shenandoah Valley, all the way down into Georgia. Now, think about the Revolutionary War. All four groups have to come together and fight against the mother country. Yeah.
That's a great point. These are four groups that do not get along. They're different, but they had to come together to fight against a common enemy. Tell me if that's not the providence of God.
It is, 100 percent. Also, tell me how these people did not set aside their differences to band together. We don't think that. We just think, oh, yeah, so and then there was a continental convention and then there was George Washington, and then he was leading.
Like, wait, wait, stop. Think, think who these people are. It's only been 100 years since all this. And by the way, some of that migration was still happening right before the Revolutionary War. Like the Scottish Highland people were one of the last ones to show up. Yeah, they weren't there from the very beginning. They were not there from the very beginning.
Their migration took place at the turn of the 18th century. Yeah. Makes sense.
So think about that. Puritans, you like freedom because you don't want anybody to tell you how to raise your family. Virginia people, you like freedom because you don't want to pay any more money back somewhere in England where somebody else is sitting there making those rules. The Delaware people, you like your freedom to do your Quaker stuff and whatever else you want. You don't want this Anglican church telling you how to live. Scottish Highland people, you will kill anybody who tells you anything. Can we not get along? Can we not come together and send these red coats back home? There you go.
To me, that's like crazy. Once you understand the dynamics, that's when you go, and who's going to be the one who will be the general in all of this? We're going to pick a Virginia guy. How did all these people come together with their different personalities, backgrounds, and yet they came together and still claimed they were Christians? They were not saying we're going to be another country.
We're going to still be based on Judeo-Christian values, but different personalities, God used them to build a country. And today we're trying to tear it down. It's like, y'all are crazy. Love it. So good. If you guys enjoyed today's conversation, if it was helpful for you, write in and let us know, 252-582-5028, or you can visit us online at cleerviewtodayshow.com.
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