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That's right. That is your identity. You are marked as a Christian by whether or not the Holy Spirit of God is living in you. And the Bible gives you that confirmation, right? You have assurance that if you are a Christian, if you're saved, you have the third person of the Trinity living inside you.
That is mind-blowing. And Paul's not saying that you're saved by works or your ability to just stop sinning. He's saying that the Holy Spirit of God is what helps you. He's your helper, right?
He's your comforter and your guide. Yeah, exactly. People use the excuse of like, well, I'm just human, or I'm only human. Well, if you're a believer, no, that's not true.
You're not only human. You have the Holy Spirit living inside of you, just like you said, John, the third person of the Trinity dwelling within us. So when you use that excuse of your humanity or your fallenness, I mean, you are diminishing the work of the Spirit in you, and you are not paying attention to what God wants to work in you and your identity as a son or daughter of God.
That's right. He doesn't say, for as many as are controlled by the Spirit. You are led by the Spirit. He leads you. And man, that's what we want to just foster in our lives and yours as well.
And one of the ways that he leads you is by the Word of God. And we just want to remind you, this episode is brought to you by the Date the Word app. You can get it for free right now on iPhone or Android. We're going to leave a link right there in the description so you can grab it yourself. I got to tell you, buddy, I think this... What you sipping over there in your cup? I'm sipping. So I got my Agatha Christie mug.
This is a murder of Roger Ackroyd. Shout out to Agatha Christie. Thanks for listening to the show, Miss Christie. I'm sipping tea. I'm feeling particularly British today.
Oh, okay. I'm going through this drink through England. And I've been making the switch back and forth between coffee and tea.
Like, I think I'm just going to make it permanent. I think I'm going to be a tea guy. I'm going to be a proper Brit right now. And I think that's the way that it needs to be. I think I'm going to start going with the accent. So when Daddy Shock comes out, I'd be like, hello, governor. Right, I will say it today.
Gentlemen, this is the democracy manifest. You switched accents a lot. We went to coffee and then we went somewhere and like, I don't know.
That was a rollercoaster ride. I'm thinking about the Dowager from Downton Abbey. What's McGonagall's name? I can't think of her. Maggie Smith.
Maggie Smith, yes. I'd be like, I'm going to drink some tea. How you love to be... How you love to be... Lord Granth. What is it? How you love to be proven wrong? Yeah, something like that. I'm not familiar with the sensation.
I don't know what it is, man. I just think it's better. I think it's easier it takes way less to actually make.
I just pour some hot water over a bag. I do like tea. I enjoy tea, but I like coffee too. I don't know. I'm kind of in both camps. I kind of straddle in the fence.
So what is it? Maybe, David, you can shed some light on this. What are the teas that have caffeine and what are the teas that don't? Because you're kind of the tea connoisseur that brings all the tea in here.
I don't pay for squat, by the way. I don't pay for any of the tea. Yeah, I wouldn't say I'm a tea connoisseur. Well, you're the tea provider. I'll say that at least.
You could be Mr. Tea. Because some of the teas don't have caffeine.
Which ones don't? Teas that are herbal. So teas that have caffeine would be like black tea, green tea, white tea. But herbal tea doesn't. Herbal tea does not because it doesn't have tea leaves in it. Herbal tea has other herbs and stuff in it. That makes sense because I was drinking tea on the way home last night and I fell asleep behind the wheel. Oh, no.
That was kind of crazy. Yeah, because if you drink, like, chamomile tea, that's supposed to help you go to sleep. Yeah, well, it was chamomile tea, but I also put two melatonin in it. Yeah, see, that's not tea.
That's a you problem. That's a night-night cocktail. I guess I'm just saying, I'm starting to like it better. I think it's been like two weeks since I've had a coffee. Really? I think I had a coffee with breakfast last Monday.
So maybe like 10 days. But I think I like it better. I don't know if that makes me un-American or not. You can like tea. It's fine. Americans can like tea? Sure, you can like tea. We don't have to dump it in a harbor.
You're okay. What about Americans in the South? Like red-blooded American men who live in the South, they don't drink hot tea. It's unusual, but that doesn't mean you can't. I mean, I'm wearing a Hawaiian shirt on the radio today.
Fair enough. So drink your tea. Yeah, by the way- Can I say, you said red-blooded American men who live in the South don't drink tea?
Yeah, well, most of them don't. This is my tea cup right here with tea in it. I'm red-blooded, I'm American, I'm from the South. Yeah, I haven't had any tea yet today. I think I'm about to go have my second cup.
I think I'm going to take a break and we'll go get Dr. Shah and do the rest of the episode. If you enjoy tea, you can have the tea. It's okay. I know. I'm just saying it's not manly to have tea.
Who cares? Make it manly. I didn't think about that.
Yeah. Make it manly. Yeah, I'll put some like, some asphalt in my tea. I'll put some like gravel or something like that.
A bunch of nails and just crush them up and put them in there. You make the choice. Put the tea back in testosterone. Yeah, there you go.
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You can visit us online at ClearViewTodayShow.com or if you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text to 252-582-5028. That's right. And we're here once again in the Clear View Today studio with Dr. Abhijan Shah, who's a Ph.D. in New Testament textual criticism. Dr. Shah, I've got to tell you, I think I have made the permanent switch from coffee to tea and I am loving it. Really? I think so. I still like a nice cup of coffee, but maybe just like with breakfast or something. Okay. Yeah. Throughout the day, I've been drinking a lot more tea and I got to say, I don't feel like the the crash that I thought I would. In England, when you were there.
Yes. More tea than coffee or more coffee than tea? Because I feel like that's a tea drinking place, but I also feel like they would have coffee. But you see, when you're tourists, okay, you're not entering into the average English world. That's a good point.
And so like if I was, let's say I was staying at Tyndale House. Right. Right. I went to Tyndale House in Cambridge and they had tea time at 10. But I could not make it because I had to be somewhere else in Cambridge about that time. But my friend who was there, he said, hey, come at 10 because we have tea time and I can introduce you to other people.
I didn't get there until like 12. Right. He said, hey, missed you for the tea time. Even I was like, I know, but I had an appointment at Cambridge Library. Right.
I had this going on, that going on. So I'm sorry. He's like, that's okay. That's okay.
I just want to introduce you. But that's okay. Was the tea time part of the conference?
Like part of the, okay, this is something else. This is at Cambridge. Okay.
Okay. I was near Oxford. Gotcha. Cambridge.
So when you're part of the culture, like you go there, you have family there, or you have a conference there where, or you're part of this study society, then you do what they do. But then there's tea time. Right.
But even when you're a tourist, you're going from a hotel to a bed and breakfast to whatever. Yeah. No tea time. Not really a part of it.
No, they have tea. Yeah. But that's a good point though. Like when we went to Israel or when you guys went to Greece, like you don't really enter into their culture. You kind of just come see it, have a couple of meals, see the sights and go back to, go back home. That's how it works.
Yeah. And anytime you have the opportunity to enter into that culture, it's amazing. You get to really experience it. And going to Tyndale House, I was able to. I was not just a tourist. I was a friend.
And he was taking me around to where they ate, their cafeteria. And I was like, oh, this is cool. That is pretty cool. Yeah.
To be able to see that culture up close, I think that would be a cool experience. Definitely. Yeah. Well, I do want to mention, you know, yesterday we quickly brushed past Westminster Abbey. All right. Now this is an old, old church.
But anyways, they still have services there. Right. So I took a special tour. Nice. You have to like pay and get a, pay and reserve in advance. Like I did that three months in advance for the special tour. And the guy took us behind the scenes and he took us to this room, this room where they had. I remember this room. Yeah.
The robes of the priest or the pastors, I guess you can say. And this is the order of service right here. That's the order of service.
They don't use planning center. Yeah. Yeah. Ceremonial plan and everything. And it's all laid out right here. Right.
Different days, different times. That's pretty, that's pretty cool. Yeah. So this is the Snapchat that we got.
And if you're not listening to the, if you're not watching the show, I'm sorry, man, you're just going to miss it. But it's a, it's a, it's a lapel microphone almost. It's very, very, very similar to the one that we sent Dr. Shah with. Yeah. So much so that many of us over here were like, what happened? Did they take your microphone?
Like what, what in the world? When Dr. Shah travels, we send him with a lapel microphone and the, the microphone and the receiver and the receiver plugs into our recorder. The recorder goes into his backpack. It's very discreet.
Cause we don't, you know, we're not over there with like boom mics and cameras and stuff. So he sent that video that you just saw to our, to our like group Snapchat and my heart just dropped. I was like, they took his microphone. Why did they, how did they know it was on him?
Did they search him? And it turns out it wasn't ours. No, I just wanted to show y'all a video that we're using the same microphone that they use in Westminster Abbey.
So anyways, we did that. The next day, which was Sunday morning, I had signed up for this and we had a tour of Churchill's War Room. Ooh. Wow.
Nine o'clock in the morning. That's amazing. It's crazy how much history there is in England. Cause like we're out, we're in this like medieval, like 1200s, 1500s. Now we're jumping ahead to like World War II and Churchill's War Room. And I wanted to see that. I was like, I want to see Churchill's War Room.
It's a must. And so sure enough, there it is. That's where the war room line begins. Wow. And so look how it's like tucked in the corner like that. It's like that. It's like that.
It's like a little secret entrance. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's where we went in and it was phenomenal. I mean, just to walk around and see like, like, like this, like here, this little video, this was their actual room where they would strategize. Oh, wow.
And you know, if you've ever seen the movie Darkest Hour, in fact, I urge you, go see that movie. It shows you how much was at stake. Is that a wax figure? Yeah. I was waiting for that guy to move.
The other guy on the left-hand side is a real person. Okay. Okay. But yeah, that's, I was sitting there waiting for him to move. Yeah. I was like, oh, I wish he would go away because I want to get a good shot of this room because we make videos and things like that. So he went away.
Then I was able to kind of get another shot. Nice. That's awesome. So, but anyways this was great.
I spent great time over here. The only thing that's kind of funny is a couple of things funny about the Churchill's War Room. One is that it was not that below the surface. It was like this one level below. Really? So if the German bombs had fallen on top of that, they would all be dead.
Geez. It was just like a floor below the... Yes. This was just a government building. They decided to take this one section and make their... This made it a basement? Headquarters.
Wow. Secondly, because it was under here, two things. One was the smell.
Really? It was horrible smell. It smelled bad? Like when you went to visit or back then?
No, no, no. When we went, it was fine. Back then?
It was fine. Back then. But because of, you know, I mean, you're locked in there and everybody's smoking. Oh yeah, true. So all that reeky smell.
And also, you know, using the bathroom to have to use them in little pots. Yeah. You wouldn't think about that as recent as that, but yeah, I mean, I guess 1940s underground. Yeah.
What can you do? Yeah, the basement. Yeah. So the lady explained, like there was a lady who used to work there as a secretary. She would travel through London.
Remember the blackouts? So you can't see where you're going. I mean, you can't even see a hand, but she would on purpose go home to use the bathroom because she didn't want to use the bathroom there. Wow.
I don't blame her one day. That's rough work conditions. Yeah, man. So look, I got to go use the gas station across the street.
I'll be back in 30 minutes. You see the map. I mean, those are actual.
Everything that you see in here... They're originals. Were left there exactly the same place.
Wow. After the war was over, they left them right there. Just left them there for... Left them there for us to, you know, enjoy. Like even those, like the sugar cubes right there. Those are really from the 1940s? There's actual sugar cubes. Wow. That's crazy.
They're lying there. Is that a wax finger too? Yeah, that's a wax finger.
Golly, they look incredible. It's like someone just hit a pause button on the street. Yeah, it does. Yep. Yep. Wow. Yep.
So they would sleep there and everything. Yeah, little quarters. Yeah.
This is what it is. So anyways, I hope that helps people understand the importance of history. Oh, definitely. We finished at a 10. I told Nicole, we got to go. Because 11 o'clock, we're headed to Metropolitan Tabernacle, which is Spurgeon's Church. Nice. We're going to worship over there.
Yeah. And so we caught an Uber or taxi, I can't remember. And we, you know, we... What day is this? This is Sunday? Sunday morning. Is this the following Sunday from when you went to Westminster Abbey? Westminster Abbey was Saturday. Was Saturday. Got you.
And then Sunday. Got you. Got you. And we went there. There it is. Wow. Look at that.
Yeah. This is... Y'all dressed to the nines. Nicole didn't wear a t-shirt. Proud of her. No, no, no. She came prepared. You know what, Nicole, I'm gonna give you a little bit of respect. Hang on one second. There you go.
Proud of you for wearing a... There you go. She showed respect at Spurgeon's Church. Yep.
I don't like her that time, my friend. So you can see the columns. So the porch of that church is original to Spurgeon's time. Okay. Wow. What is that, about 1800s? Yeah, mid 1800s. This is original. Wow.
Inside got bombed during World War II, so it got destroyed. I didn't know that. Yeah. That's incredible. So the church today that you see that is still going. So this is, you see, this is what it looks like.
The porch is original. The rest of it is not. Was Spurgeon gone by that time? By World War II? Oh, yeah. Gone? Okay.
He was gone towards the end of the 1800s. Oh, wow, wow, wow. Okay. Yeah, he was gone. Gotcha. Yeah. He passed away pretty young, didn't he?
He was in 57. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, he was not very old.
Okay. Yeah, I mean, he just worked himself with the ground. Was the inside rebuilt to match the original style? Go back to that picture.
Was it updated? Well, I hate to tell you why she's like that because you see this little path right here? Uh-huh. That's a bicycle path. So people come flying through there.
Oh, for real. Flying. Yikes.
On bikes. So you have to be very careful that you don't get in the way. Gotcha. So that's, that's... Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
No, no, no. I was just asking about the inside when it was rebuilt. Was it rebuilt to match the original style or was it updated? No, it was updated. Updated.
How was the service? It was okay. It's okay. I mean... If Spurgeon had been preaching, it'd be different.
I would say a whole lot different. I'm sorry. I know some of those people listening, like, it doesn't matter who's preaching. I'm like, I'm sorry. I didn't go there. I went there for... For Spurgeon's. For Spurgeon's.
I'm with you. Being Spurgeon's Church. So yeah, I enjoyed it. It was a great congregation. A lot of people came and a lot of visitors come for this purpose, but not a lot of people go there on a tour because you have to go there on a Sunday.
You got to make sure you plan on being there at 11. So it doesn't happen. Yeah.
A lot of people don't want to do the... Work out the logistics of it. But to his credit, Peter Masters came there, I think in the 70s when the church was down to like 20 some people. And by God's grace, he hung in there. And today, I mean, it's a pretty good, strong congregation. Amen. Wow.
I love it. But again, you know, it's not necessarily the highlight of my tour. But I enjoyed it because of Metropolitan Tabernacle.
That's why. And then to the south of London, away from Elephant and Castle, that's where the Metropolitan Tabernacle is. It was his grave. Spurgeon's grave? Spurgeon's grave. So I was like, I want to go by his graveside, but I'm learning London is spread out.
It's going to take me a good 40 minutes to get there by car. Really? Yes. That's how big London is?
Oh, London is huge. I didn't know that. But so we drove and went to the cemetery and sure enough. There it is. Found it. Look at that. There he is right there.
As Nicole is filming. That's a grave with some pomp and circumstance. They really honored him. Yeah.
Yeah. So he wasn't buried at the church. He was buried. He was buried at this cemetery.
Got you. And I wanted to go by there. And of course, I filmed there as well.
Had a great, great time. His wife is buried there as well, as you can see, Susanna Spurgeon. And of course, there's a back of that same. And this is a side. I love it.
So I'm so glad I went ahead and did it because now I've done it. I also wanted to see another grave there, which was of Robert Moffat. His daughter married David Livingston, the Scottish missionary, the pioneer in Africa. But no time. Had to roll. From there, we took off and guess where we went to?
Charles Dickens. Wow, look how quaint that looks. Little red door. I like that. Yeah. And by the way, that entire street still looks the same. They maintained it. That's how it looked in his day?
In his day. Those fences and everything. Exactly. The same. The building's exactly the same. Wow.
And we know that because when you look at drawings or caricatures, whatever. Yeah, that's what it looks like. That's exactly what it looks like. I like that. I like the little red door. That's cute. We even sat there and ate and then walked around the house, looked around.
Here's a funny story. At the end of the tour, I come back to the cafeteria area. Nicole's over there. She said, I'm going to get some coffee. I said, oh, OK. All right.
I'll see you in a minute. And I walked around, came back and she said, you won't believe it. This girl working behind the corner. She is from Perry, Georgia. Nicole told me about this the other day.
That's really wild. Perry, Georgia is where Nicole's mom lives. Oh, really? Yeah. I didn't know that.
I knew she was in Georgia, but I didn't know it was in Perry. Exactly. Like the same little community. Wow.
It's not even a big town. Yeah. But like Kathleen. She's from Kathleen, actually.
Wow. Which is like the same community where Nicole's mom lives and not very far from where they live. All the world. All the way in Charles Dickens Museum. In London.
Here you find this young lady. And we had a great conversation. I'd be surprised if I was living in Georgia and found out that we were both from the same place. Yeah. Crazy. That's crazy.
That's insane. So then we left, came back to the hotel, walked around Trafalgar Square. And then from there, we walked around and saw Buckingham Palace, all these other things. And then I made sure I went to see Big Ben again. But then I wanted to go by and see Westminster Chapel.
I think Nicole took my picture there. Because that's where G. Campbell Morgan and D. Martin Lloyd Jones. And then up until recently, R.T. Kendall pastored. They were all at the church.
And I look up to all three of them. From there, we had to leave. And I went several places here and there. But then at two o'clock, yes, at two o'clock, I had appointment at Lambeth Palace, which is a library.
That's where the Archbishop of Canterbury's office is. And I wanted to see the first folio of King James Bible. Yeah.
Wow. And I wanted to see the notes of the translators. Now, what is the folio? Folio is like the first copy. Okay. So the original. Yeah. Wow. And so I had to go through a lot of paperwork and all that.
But anyways, I have a card now for five years. I can go request whatever I want to see. Very nice. They had it ready. And they pulled it out.
And I told the guy, I said, he said, so you have a whole day. If you want to take pictures of the book, you have to fill out some things. I was like, I don't want to take a picture.
I want you to take a picture of me looking at it. He said, oh, okay. He did it? Yeah. That's me looking at the actual notes by the translators of the King.
I'm actually handling it. Look at that. So that book that you're holding is from the translators of the King James Bible held and wrote in that exact same book. That's not a fact simile. No, that's actual. Wow. That's incredible.
And that's the actual folio. Wow. That's incredible. And I just looked and I said, yes, go and take my picture. He said, that's it? I'm like, that's it. Okay. That's easy. I was like, thank you.
And so that was great to be able to do that and have the pictures to prove. Like you can say that is the King James Bible. Yes. That's it. 1611. Wow. And the translators notes. That's incredible. Put them side by side. I wish I had time.
I wish I had even an hour to do that comparison, but no time. So I was like, got to go because we're heading to St. Paul's Cathedral. I mean, five years is a long time though. We can always go back to St. Paul's. Yep. St. Paul's Cathedral, which is quite amazing. This, this church was built by Christopher Wren.
Christopher Wren was, dang, look at it. That is massive. I mean, that's, that's nothing. You should see the dome behind it, which is just mind-blowing. I mean, this is how it looks like on the inside. Yeah.
This is what it looks like on the inside. That's breathtaking. It is. It's crazy.
It's crazy. I just don't even have the word. See, that's the thing. People, people often will put down stuff like this. Well, you know, well, it's not about all this. It's not about all the ornateness and all the design, like, but someone made that with love, man. Someone really put their heart and soul into designing that. Oh yeah.
A hundred percent. Like, that's not just, that's not just like, hey, let's go to church. Someone really cared enough about that building and about that worship space to do that. By the way, I went in, went here because this is Thomas Milton's grave or, or little something.
He was the Bishop of Calcutta. Oh yeah. Wow. So you see that?
And this is going back to the 17, 1800s. So anyways, that's incredible. So this is the, this is the place.
And it was awesome to walk around and, and see some of these things. That's him right there. Same, same, same guy.
Same guy. But anyways, Christopher Wren was a mathematician and he took the architecture of the East as his model to bring some of the most sophisticated architecture into the West. This is going back to the 1600s.
What are some of them? He saw like architect, cause that's right. Cause from Byzantium like Constantinople or Hagia Sophia, he took those things and brought them here. How, how old do you know is St. Paul's Cathedral? I mean, that's going back to the 1700s.
Okay. Now it's older. It got burned, I think.
And so it was rebuilt by Christopher Wren if I'm not wrong. And yeah, you're right. Yeah. Look at this. This is what it looks like inside. Incredible. And look at the, this is what it in places.
And this is, this is the main dome. Wow. I love it. Yeah. That is really incredible.
They still have services? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow.
Yeah. Look at that. Look at that.
That's my jacket. Just looking at that. And you just sit under, you sit under it for the actual service? Yep. Incredible.
It's amazing. So when you see the picture of London after the bombing, see that's the dome. That's part of the dome that you don't see when you're standing so close to it. You don't see it. But that's part of the dome of, see this is from the distance, but you only see the front if you're too close. You don't see, you know, you don't see that.
What do you think it would cost to get that built here? Clear view. Oh, gosh. I think that era is gone. Yeah. I think you're right. That era of, you know, it's over.
Yeah. So anyways, one more episode we have to do. Let's do it. Let's do it.
That's incredible. I love that because I feel like we're getting like secondhand experience of all the things that you saw. Well, one reason to talk about these things and these cathedrals is to help people realize, of course, just like our song, The Gathering, it's not in the buildings, but the building is our home. We meet there and we should take pride in it. We should preserve it. We should seek to reach people, especially young generation with the gospel of Jesus Christ.
The sad story in England is they have all this and they know how to preserve it. I don't think they're reaching people with the gospel. That's true. And another thing that I've learned over the, because we're building a worship center right now, our new sanctuary. And one thing I've really come to think about is that people who say that, well, you know, it's really not about the building. They have no involvement in actually building because when you look at something like that, and even something like our building, at the end of the day, you grow to care about it because you've invested in it.
You've spent time and money and effort trying to make this not only function, but look good and try to make it excellent for God because this is where we're going, we're coming to worship. So I think, cause I used to say stuff like that. The building doesn't matter. It's not important, but I had no vested interest at all.
So of course it didn't matter to me. Yeah. It reminds us that it's important. It reminds us that we stand on the shoulders of a legacy of faith. That's right. People who cared enough to create something like that.
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