You're listening to Clearview Today with Dr. Albadan Shah, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. I'm Ryan Hill. I'm John Galantis. Welcome back to the show, everybody.
We are so glad you're joining us again today here in the Cleaver View Today Studio with our host, Dr. Abadan Shah, who's a PhD in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show. Dr. Shah, welcome, welcome. Welcome to the show.
It's good to be here. Thank you. Always enjoy being with you guys. It's fun. It's fun.
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So, this is a segment of our show where we talk about something kind of silly, something kind of embarrassing or cringe that we did yesterday. Dr. Sean knows this. I was in Washington, D.C. Yes.
Getting a passport for my youngest son, Carson, who was just born, eight weeks old. Traveling soon, had to get a passport for it. Yeah. We called up the passport office and they said, Hey, you're gonna make an appointment with us. And I said, Okay, so I'm thinking in my mind, I'm gonna go in, need to dress now.
You go in, sit down, meet in someone's office, or cubicle or something. There's some meeting happening.
So I put on, I took a nice shirt, I took my nice jeans, and I took my good brown dress shoes. Uh, because it's the passport agency, you want to dress dice and it matters. Shoot your shoes. That's what my mama always told me. That's the first thing people look at: your shoes.
Yeah. I get there, Dr. Shah, at 9:30 in the morning. It's not an appointment office. There's like many, many, many windows.
I'm sure you've been to the passport agency at some point, or you've been somewhere like a consulate or something where it's just window after window after window. Yes. Walk in, give them all the documents. They just send me to a window. And within like five minutes of being there, they're like, okay, we'll have it at 2 o'clock today.
I was like, oh, that's like six hours from nine. Am I right? Nine, ten, eleven, twelve, one, two. Yeah, five hours. Five hours.
So I'm like, okay.
So Ellie's like, well, Do you wanna just walk around DC? I was like, Yeah, let's do it. Did not even consider the fact that a half hour later, I'd be walking around in brown dress shoes around DC. My shins are hurting. I believe it.
I bet they are. I FaceTimed Dr. Shah and showed him. He was like, Go buy you some Hey Dudes. Yeah.
And I was like, Yeah. I guess I will. And then I I don't know why I just didn't do it. But it hurt.
Well, unfortunately, you know, some shoes will do that. Yeah. But good shoes are not supposed to do that. True. And sometimes, even good shoes, if they haven't been broken in, will do that.
I bought a really nice pair of shoes from London, actually. Yeah. This has been a few months back. And they're great shoes. They're beautiful.
The only catch is. Uh when I wear them the first time, every time.
Okay. Like, what I mean by first time every time is like, let's say I'm wearing them this Sunday. Right. They're going to hurt. Your feet?
Yeah. My feet are going to hurt. That's it. Not for the first few minutes, but then as the day progresses, they hurt. Are they dress shoes?
They're dress shoes. They're very nice dress shoes. They're brown. Brown. Oh, the chili is what they call them.
Gotcha, gotcha. What?
Okay. Have you ever worn like the wrong? Like, have you ever shown up to somewhere you didn't know it was going to be a lot of walk-in and you think, oh man, I really messed up today? Oh, yes, I've done that before. Really?
Yeah. But the thing about these shoes are, if I wear them again tomorrow or Monday. Right. They they become The best shoes. Really?
Yeah. But here's what happens: I don't wear them Monday because Monday is sort of my day to work at my office at home. People say, you know, Monday's your day off, right? No, Monday is a day I don't go into the church office, but I am working. Oh, yeah, you still stay there.
I am. And I am making visits and I'm going to do this and that. But I typically don't dress up typically.
So But if I were to, because I've done it before, sometimes there were events that I had to go to on Monday and I wore those shoes on Sunday, oh man. They're so soft if you if there's a long break in between wearing long they'll be uncomfortable again. Yes, oh man, so on some of your on some of your overseas travels You know you're gone like two or three weeks or or one or two weeks Do you do you plan out like these are the shoes I need to wear because absolutely because it's gonna be a lot of walking absolutely so I recommend to people if you're traveling if you're traveling overseas Make sure you get get shoes that can be slip-ons sneakers that can be slip-ons not just hey dudes hey dudes are great by the way but if you're gonna walk in them a lot then make sure you get sneakers that you can slip in slip out but they still Feel like a sneaker, which means like it's you're not tying them with a shoelace. But you are like, you know. Um Pulling the you know, there's a way that you can tighten shoeless.
Uh Shoelaceless. Yeah, laceless shoes. Yeah, you can do that.
So I take one or two pairs. one I'm gonna wear today, then I'm going to let it rest tomorrow.
So, you alternate them. Alternate them. Absolutely. I need to do that because typically, when I've traveled, I've taken vans, and vans are not good for walking shoes. They're great for skating, but they're so flat.
Yeah, very, very flat. And man, if you walk an entire day in vans, and I've made the mistake before, but that's the only pair I took. That was my shoes. And boy, they get tore up. I mean, you're like hiking on mountains.
You're like walking all over like cobblestone roads. Yeah, sometimes it's not just like a flat sidewalk that you're walking on.
Sometimes you're walking literally off the beaten path. When you went to Greece, what did you wear? I wore ASICs, tennis shoes.
Okay, okay. Yeah, just that one pair? Yeah. Yeah, I had well, I had several different pairs, so I would wear the ASICs when we were like out going out somewhere. And I think I actually took these, the Sperrys.
So I would wear these in the evenings or something. We went out to dinner. I'm nervous because I'm traveling soon, and we're going to be doing a lot of walking. And boy, my shins hurt from DC. It hurts so bad.
You're not going to be wearing those shoes, the brown shoes.
So I think you should be okay. Yeah, I'm going to wear some. I need to honestly go buy a pair of walking shoes. My sister got me a pair of shoes that I have not worn. She got them for me for Christmas, but they're vans.
I really want a pair of the on clouds. On clouds are good. Do you have a pair? I have a pair of on-clouds. Also, the shoes that are good are the Hoka shoes.
Hoka also have Uh has um the you know Shoelace less. Where you just kind of have like the thing that tightens the tightens it on the clouds, but not an actual bow.
So one day I'm going to wear the on clouds, the next day, hoka, and you know, back and forth. Do you still have you told a story one time on the show? Actually, we told it a couple of times, but the very first thing you bought in America were those pump-up shoes where, like, you bought the Nikes. They were Nikes, yeah. And you, like, pump air into them?
Yeah, so that was a big deal in 1991. You know, how old were you, Ryan? 91. I would have been two. How old were you?
There you go.
So 1991, I come to America and they have this commercial going on TV. And back in India, we used to have basketball goals in our school, you know, outside by the playground, but nobody ever played basketball there. It was just. not the thing to do.
So coming here, I saw this basketball commercial, which did not appeal to me anyways, because I didn't play basketball. But I loved the way those guys were walking up and they were bouncing the ball and then they would. Pump their Yes, their shoes and man, they were ready to jump. And then, when they're done, they had this other little place you would press, and all the air would come out. Jesus, yeah, yeah.
And I was like, wow, that looks cool.
So, I'm going to get those. But I hadn't seen that commercial like tons of times. I saw it once, and I was like, oh, okay. And then I go to a shoe store. At um at Gwinnett Mall in Atlanta.
Gwinnett?
Okay. Gwinnett Mall, which I don't think it exists anymore. Wow.
So anyways, went there and Ge Oh wait, those are the shoes Okay. I'm going to get them. Were they expensive? Yeah, they were like $150. Wow.
At the time, this is $199. That's expensive. To me, that's expensive today, but that's really a lot for a lot of people. And so I was like, Yeah, I'm gonna get them. I'm gonna get them.
And I had only $500. In my pocket. That's a big hit. Oh yes. My dad had told me, he's like, look, Yeah you're Is covered because you got the president's scholarship.
Um your ruin board Are not covered, but you're on a work scholarship.
So you have to work and you, you know, pay what you can. Right. So this is $500 for some incidentals. You know, you need some toothpaste, toothbrush, whatever. This is what it's for.
To live on. To live on. Survive. I bought those pumps. And when I showed up on campus with those pumps.
All the students were like Man, where'd you get those shoes? They're right now. They're like the big deal, man. How did you man, those are nice I bet they were expensive. I'm like, Yeah, they were.
Not realizing for a moment that I was going to, you know, Regret that. I wore 'em. I never played basketball in them, not even once. Because I didn't care for basketball. But tell you what I did.
Every Sunday after Church, which was really chapel because some of us didn't have a car.
So we would just go to chapel on campus at Taco Falls College. And after that we would go to the cafeteria, eat. and then about one one thirty or so. They were you could always find a group of people going up To hike. Mm-hmm.
Because you're in the North Georgia Mountains. Were you a hiker? Did you like to hike? I'm not a hiker, but I enjoyed it.
Okay, okay. Being with people who were you know, hiking. I I enjoyed it. Right, right.
So, anyways, um So you could go. And you could hike For like several hours. Yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah, you've been to Soco Falls. Yes, it's a falls, it's right there on the campus, but you can follow the creek and you can go further back, and there's trusses there.
I wore my pumps. And I wore those pumps Through Creeks? Did you know as you were hiking that they were getting tore up? Oh, yeah, because now instead of air, they're filled with water.
So, where there was this nice like cushion of air before, it's like booch. Yeah, it's like SpongeBob shoes. They're like heavy now. Oh, no. And you know, you're walking upside down the mountain, you're climbing, you know, all that stuff.
And I'm wearing these pumps. That's pretty stinking funny. What a mistake. And then, of course, I came back to campus and I let them dry. But for.
Months, I could press it and water would come out. Oh man. That's rough. Wink, wink, little rest of our water that you were just carrying.
So there's gotta be a lesson. I know our listeners are going, why are we even listening to your story?
Well, several applications then. Sure, sure. Application number one.
Sometimes your kids will make dumb decisions. True. Why do they make dumb decisions? Because their prefrontal cortex is not yet developed. That's right.
Am I right? Absolutely. Absolutely right. Talk to us about that. Prefrontal cortex is still developing throughout the teenage years.
That's where logic and reasoning and decision-making take place.
So they're being led by emotion, literally, because it grows faster than their ability to think. Yeah, you can see that. I mean, I'm even seeing that with my four-year-old. They just do, especially my two-year-old too. They do stuff that just doesn't make sense.
And then when they tell you, like you ask them, what in the world were you thinking? They say, I don't know. They're being honest. They don't know what they were thinking. My two boys have a bunk bed.
They have a bunk bed. Like, all they wanted was a bunk bed. They begged to the point of tears for a bunk bed. We got Sanda brought them one for Christmas. They got up on the top bunk.
It's got a ladder that's bolted in. It is safe. If Ellie or myself gets on it and rocks it, it is not coming off. They climb. They do parkour and climb up the front of the bump bed.
They have like a little chest with their toys. They will walk right past the ladder, get on the toy box, and try to king kong up the. front of the bottom and Five or six times both have fallen off and hurt And instead of being like, gosh, the last time I did this, this really hurt, they will walk right past the ladder and just do that.
So, you know, same thing with your kids and teenagers. They are making decisions, or even young adults, they will make decisions that you have to go. What are you thinking? Yeah. But they're not thinking.
Right. Because you know, guess what I did with the rest of the money, the $500? The second thing I bought was a two hundred and fifty dollars Watch. I thought for sure you were going to say you put it in the bank, you bought some deals. I bought this watch that had, because you know, back in India, I had a Casio watch, which was pretty good at the time.
Yeah, Casio is beautiful, you know. But I decided to buy this watch that had all kinds of trinkets. Like, if I wanted to go. Mm. Thousand feet underwater.
Sure. As you're wont to do. And if I want to 19-year-old. And if I want to tell time. I can't.
You know, 19-year-old, you're in America for the first time.
Sometimes you just. 17. Oh, you're 17, yeah. You gotta just go in North Georgia. Yeah, in North Georgia if I want to go scuba diving and and but if you're scarcing a thousand feet, but you gotta know what time it is, right.
Oh, okay. Time to go back up. When you saw the watch, were you like, wow, I could go a thousand feet? I'll take it. Yes.
Well, I bought it because I was like, man, now that's the coolest thing I've ever seen. Do you remember what it was? It was called a Casio watch? No, Casio watch I had in India. Oh, okay.
This was, I don't know what company it was, but man, it had all kinds of gadgets.
So maybe go back to 1991, you'll find it. Yeah, I'll try.
So again, for a word to the parents and adults, just know that sometimes. We make dumb decisions because we're not thinking. That's very true. That's a good question. A second application there is.
It is to understand the value of money. Because at the time I was thinking. What's the big deal? Yeah. What's the big deal?
I like this, and this is good. But then as time progressed I realized, oh, I would love to have ordered that. pizza or got a drink or Got this, now I don't have the money.
So, this, I think, could lend itself to a conversation that a lot of pastors and a lot of ministry leaders. I think could benefit from because Dr. Shah, as long as I've known you, I I met you when I was 21 and m most of the people, not all, but most of the people who have worked with you are younger. or worked on staff are are younger, uh like like 1920s and up until like I'm 33 now. Have you found that your experiences doing that have helped you lead young people?
Because young people are coming from that mentality of, I don't, what's the big deal? This is fine. This is working. This is good. Yeah, it's not that.
I'll seek out younger people because I'll hire people who are willing to work. I'll hire people who will catch the vision we have here at Clearview. But at the same time, I want to know: are you willing to ditch your Idea, your vision, and catch on what we have here, or are you willing to bring your gifts and your talents and support this vision? But if they're not, I don't care how old they are. They might be seventeen and not ditch their vision.
Or they may be fifty seven are and are willing to ditch their vision. It all comes down to their heart. But typically, younger people are willing to go, hey, I like what you have here and I want to follow that. Like you guys have done. True.
But it's not easy because there have been people who came through and did not catch the vision who were younger than us. Yeah, so I cannot say that every young person who came through. Stuck around, that's not true. Do you think every young person, or most of the young people, because I know I had that mentality as well when I'm young, where it was like, if something didn't go right or something went wrong in service, or we didn't plan something right and it fell apart, there's that temptation to be like, it's fine. It's okay.
It's not a big deal. Yeah. Did going through that stage of your own life when you were young help you lead young people who have that message? Absolutely. Yeah, it did.
Because it helped me have grace where I needed to show grace and go, yeah, people make dumb decisions as part of. growing up. It's part of the experience that helps us to mature. But at the same time, I also wanted them to realize that your decision is costing someone else. Right.
It's difficult for young people to see that. It's difficult for young people to see beyond the right now.
So you've helped us. I mean, I know I speak for the people in this room. You've helped us see further. You've helped us see wider than we were originally. And I think that's a natural progression for people as they grow, as they mature.
You know, you have kind of what's right in front of your face. But as you are exposed to a different viewpoint, as you're exposed to somebody who's older and wiser than you, you start to see, oh.
Well, there are lasting impacts. There are ramifications for the things I'm making right now. And I think for me, especially, it helped to see. Not to test it, but to see, to follow that advice and then win.
So, for example, stuff that we would film. Like, I never used to pay attention to lights at all. Like, even this, I always let, you know, Nicholas or Adam or Agozaz handle lighting, but I never thought the lighting was super important. This is just an example. But I would always look at our videos and be unsatisfied.
And I remember one time we just took like two days and we were like setting up the studio and you were like, if the light is here, because these are things you learned in your journalism degree, if the light is here, it will come down. And then filming the first few episodes of our announcement show at the time, seeing it, I was like, oh my goodness, this looks incredible. It really elevated it. And so taking the time to say, okay, if I took 15 minutes, all these years, if I'd just taken 15 minutes to make sure the lights looked right. I'm going to care about that a little more.
One by one by one, little lessons like that, you just learn what to care about. And I think that has helped me because I think a lot of young people, and maybe even young people in ministry, think it's cool to not care about that stuff. Just care about the gospel, just care about this, the main thing. Which, yes, of course. Yeah, when you're young, and I've been there, so it's nothing like I'm saying that y'all are like this, or y'all were like this.
No, I was like that too. Because it it took me a while to get to that place to go, Oh, that matters, that does matter. I would say by God's grace, everything is by God's grace. It's nothing that. Oh, I am just gifted like that.
Oh, gifted by who? By God. Everything we are is through the grace of God. I was able to catch on quicker. But not always, not always, but most of the time I was able to catch on quicker to go, okay, that matters, or this matter, or that doesn't matter, but this definitely matters.
And then. Make sure that I don't do those things again. Yeah. Yeah. Um So I will say, too, that it comes as a result of staying.
It comes as a result of being in one place for more than two years. Right. I mean, those lessons that you've imparted to myself and to John and to the others on staff, that didn't take place in the first three months, six months that we were here. Yeah, that's true. There was a little bit here and there.
But as we grew, as we stayed, we learned you more and you learned us more and you were able to kind of push and guide and gently correct at times where we needed it. And that happened over a course of years. I mean, we've been here for more than a decade. Yeah. And we have grown, but it wasn't an overnight growth.
I think the challenging thing for me specifically, because impatience has always been my struggle, the challenging thing that I think I've learned, especially in my 30s, is that when you see these like heroes of the faith. These like these men that that have made such impact in the world around us. I don't know how else to say. They're older. They got a lifetime worth of experience.
And so, like, of course, you look at them, and it's easy for me to be like, why can't I just have that now? Why can't we have that right now? And part of it is because God's timing is not on us yet, but you know what I mean. God's timing is not fulfilled in us yet, but also because we still have the rest of our lives to learn those lessons. The key thing for me has been Learning to recognize and remember that I am indebted.
That's one thing human beings don't like. I have I have tried to do that over the years a lot more. That I am indebted, of course, indebted to God, indebted to Christ for his blood shed for me, indebted to the Holy Spirit and His power in me, and His grace in my life and His hope in me, indebted for all that. But I have to recognize that we're all indebted to people. I am here today doing what I'm doing is because of people in my life.
I view my role Yeah. A medical doctor. Right? A medical doctor, let's say A heart specialist. Who has been Supported Through medical school.
and through the position I have today by people in the community.
So When I see them, I should recognize that God used you and you and you. to help me become who I am today. At the same time, I have to get up and give the right diagnosis of whatever they're going through. Right. Great point.
So How do you do that? You do that with God's help.
So you walk with that balance that, and it's Goes against human nature. Yes, I agree. You know, the Bible talks about in Romans chapter 1, nor were they thankful. We don't like to be. You gave me something, and so I have to remember that all my life.
Oh my gosh, how many times do I need to thank you for that? Mm-hmm. All your life. All your life. We don't like that.
We would rather say, no, this is one thing I did on my own. I want you all to hear me very carefully. Not a single thing that I'm doing in my life was done by myself. Mm. Everything, starting from my parents sending me to an amazing school.
giving me a home, giving me a church, giving me opportunities. And when I look back, I realize more and more every day how much they were doing for me. And I didn't even realize until like I'm in my forties and fifties. Uh so that And then going through seminary to know how much Nicole's dad and Nicole's family did for me. And then there were people who were in Nicole's dad's church who supported us, they sent us checks.
Um Professors like Dr. Robinson and others, many others, who took time to teach me and help me and guide me. Then I came to. Henderson And then over the years, people have helped me, supported me. Of course, there are people who cause problems too.
Don't misunderstand that. And give me a hard time. But that's, I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about the people who did help. And even right now, there are people in our church who I might tell them thank you for what you do because I couldn't do what I'm doing. without So I live every moment recognizing that, of course, it's all by God's grace.
But I am indebted to people. I'm indebted to you guys for what y'all do day in, day out. in ministry and all of that. to feel like Ugh, I have to I guess now I owe you. Sure.
No, we are debtors. That's right. And we'll always be debtors. Of course, debtors to Christ, but debtors to the body of Christ. Right.
You know what I'm saying? That is one lesson. That Hopefully.
Well, I'll remember. And it's a beautiful picture, and it requires us to sort of set our pride aside, because I think pride has a lot to do with, like, I'm not going to be indebted to anybody. I'm going to be my own person. I'm going to be my own man. And we're sort of like.
Almost like pre-programmed to have that vernacular, especially growing up in the West, growing up in America. But that's a beautiful picture where we're dependent upon one another. We're reliant on one another. And I have at times done that. I'm sitting here and admitting I've done that and acted like, yeah, I don't, no, I did that on my own.
Yeah, you may have helped me here, here, here, but I did this on my own. And I realized it came from a place of insecurity. True. It came from a place of. of lack of maturity because the older you get, you go Wow.
Yeah, no, I shouldn't be doing any of this. Right, right.
And and then. Be grateful to them, to the people, the body, at the same time, getting up and preaching. not out of some vindictiveness or Passive aggressiveness, but still preaching the word, still correcting people. Still telling the truth and telling it like it is. It's a balance.
Yeah. Yeah. We long for equilibrium and not because it brings peace, but because it just gives you quiet. I know for me, like when people help you, you know, you want to go above and beyond and say, oh my goodness, thank you. Thank you for helping me.
Thank you for lifting me back up on my feet. But once I've acknowledged that, we need to be square, you know what I mean? Just like you said, that's human nature, that's what I want to do, right? Right. Because, like, I can humble myself in this moment.
I don't want to be humble for my whole life. Yeah, and it's it's it's good hearing you say that because I've not thought about it before. You know, I've thought in my life and I've tricked myself into thinking I'm a humble person because I do thank people and I thank them sincerely. But there is that spirit in me that's like, I've already thanked you. You're we're good.
We're square. Yeah, and I've acknowledged, and now in that way, the debt is paid. And It's convicting because Jesus didn't live that type. He lived a humble life when he didn't have to. And so if I'm modeling him, why in the world am I trying to get square with people?
Why am I trying to get square with Jesus after everything? You'll never be. I will never be. I'll never be able to repay. The people in my life.
How am I going to do that? He said, Well, you preach good sermons and you lead a good church. Yeah, but Again, How many sermons, and how much can I keep leading that you can say, now that's equal. Right. Because people keep supporting and giving.
So I hope. There are people listening today. Maybe they're ministry people. Maybe they are business people. Maybe you are leaders in the community.
I hope you will see your life differently. It's all by the grace of God. That's right. And yet God uses people To help us and bless us, how can we? Live.
in a way that we know our whole existence, our whole success is because of others. And by the grace of God, and yet still keep to the vision, keep focused, keep moving forward. Keep correcting. Keep challenging, keep encouraging. You know, all of that has to work together.
Amen. That's so great. It's so helpful, too, to think about ourselves being comfortably and beautifully in debt, being comfortable with the idea of being indebted to someone else. And, you know, we've said it on the show before, but John and I are indebted to you, Dr. Yes, absolutely.
Ways that you've poured into us and invested in us. And, you know, we get to do what we love. You working with music and with production and me working with students and working with people. We have to do things that we. love to do.
And That's because we're standing on the foundation that you have built over the years that you've been here since before John and I got here.
So we're grateful to you for even being able to sit in this studio and talk about this. Yes, absolutely. And don't ever, if you work in ministry, like work in ministry, don't assume that it goes without saying. You know what I mean? Don't because I fall into that trap where it's like I tell Dr.
Shaw all the time how grateful I am for him.
So I just assume he knows. Don't don't do it doesn't matter if he knows. There's power in saying. Yes. You know, there's power in building relationships and saying it and saying, you know, you have.
Fought for me, yeah. You have gone to bat for me, you have supported me, you've raised money for me. Um Yeah. There's a lot of, I don't want to say power in the sense of like spiritual power, but there is impact in telling people what they mean to you and how grateful you are for them. 100%.
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John, what are you going to leave listeners with today? Definitely just want to encourage you guys to follow Dr. Shaw on Prey.com. We are so close to 50,000 followers. I can almost taste it and it tastes good.
It tastes like strawberry ice cream on a hot summer's day. Listen, we are really, we are really closing in on 50,000 followers. We want to hit it because it's a significant milestone. That will mean 50,000 people have chosen to tune into Dr. Shah's message.
And that really, really, really means a lot.
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