You're listening to Clearview Today with Dr. Abadan Shah, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. I'm Ryan Hill. I'm John Delantis and welcome to the Clearview Today Studio. We've got a great conversation planned for you guys today.
But before we do anything else, we want to welcome our host with the most, Dr. Abadan Shah, who's a PhD in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and host of today's show. Dr. Shah, welcome, welcome, welcome. It's good to be here today.
It's good to be here.
So you and I got great news. It's the return. Yes, that was awesome. Holy I got my microphone arm back. Woo-hoo!
Moor, yeah. Yeah, so what happened was I had the big creaky one. It was squeaking too much. I said, no, we got to get that out of here. Also, Ryan is back, bro.
Welcome back, Moncara. Good to be back. As I was doing that intro, I was like, man, it feels like putting on a comfortable jacket. Guess who else is back? Is it David?
Damn it. Yeah, the engineer. Darren and I have been televancing across the eastern seaboard. The east coast is never going to be the same again. Clearview has left its mark all over the east coast.
One in Hendersonville, in North Carolina. One week in Boston. One in Boston. One in Boston, Massachusetts. Tell us how it was.
Did you park your car in the Harvey Carter? Park the car. Park the car. It was incredible. I actually, you know, if we want to do something with this, I have a clip of doing the Clearview Today Show intro from the press box at Fenway Park.
That was really, really cool.
So we sat in the seats where the live reporters would be talking about the game. There was the seat next to where I was sitting is the person who's on the office with New York City that talks about, is this call valid? How do we interpret this? Is it foul? Is it fair?
That kind of thing.
So that was pretty neat. Got to tour around, got to go to the Green Monster, see the only green Coke machine in the world in the Green Monster. There's a Greek, Greek, Green Coke machine. Not only in Fenway Park. The green monster.
Really? Coke machines have to be red. They have to be read based on marketing, but they made an exception for the Coke machine in the Green Monster in Fenway Park. What is the Green Monster? What is that?
Yeah, that was my question.
So they, because it's the smallest play space in Major League Baseball, it's the oldest stadium in Major League Baseball. It's also the smallest play area.
So they built up this wall because there were home runs and hits that were going like out of the park into traffic and there was a bunch of damage and everything.
So they built this wall, this giant wall, and it's green. Is that the green Coke machine? Yeah, that's the Green Coke Machine. That's it. That's it.
I don't like it.
So they built this green wall up there. And then they were like, well, let's put seating on top of the green monster. They're like, no, you can't do that. There's all these kind of regulations.
So then Fenway continued to lobby for seating in the green monster and they let him pass it.
So there's a couple rows of seats up there for the green monster. And that's the green monster. Yeah, that's the green monster. We were up there. Those seats could go for, I mean, they've been upwards of $10,000.
Ooh, per game. Wow. Yeah. Like just. To sit there?
Yeah. In like the World Series. Yeah. Oh my God. Absolutely.
That right. We were in this spot right there, right under where it says Triple A. That is also where when Steven Tyler and Aerosmith performed, that's where he did Dream On the finale of their show. He was standing on those seats where we were. That's really incredible.
That was cool. I love Major League Play, but I don't think I would ever pay $10,000 for that. $10,000 is a lot of money. $10,000 is a lot for anything, but let alone tickets. I'm not a huge baseball guy, but that was a cool experience.
How many times have you been to Boston? I have been once. Just once?
Okay. I have been to the airport. Right, right. Like passing through, but touring around Boston? Touring one time, and that was in 2023 summer because Abigail and Jared had just moved there.
So we went to sort of visit them and they took us around. The city of Boston. Wow, that's really cool. And saw a lot of sites. Yeah.
It was a lot of fun. That's awesome. Yeah. Did you, let me ask you this. What was the mission trip actually like focused on?
Like, was it like site work? Yeah, yeah.
So we worked with an organization out there called Friends of the Homeless, which is a they have a couple of different initiatives, but their main place is a place called Rehoboth. And it's a place where families can come and have temporary housing as they're trying to get back on their feet and seek permanent housing situations.
So a lot of moms, a lot of kids. There's a playground there. We did a lot of like maintenance work, some yard work. It was hot. Oh, I was sweating.
Good gracious, we were sweating. And then there's another location they have, it's in a place called Hull, and that is focused primarily on addiction recovery.
Okay. Okay, that's that's kind of cool. We could we sort of split and did two things at once.
Well, while you were gone, Dr. Sha and I, we held down the fort. We talked about a lot of a lot of things. Yeah. We talked about suffering, talked about Romans 8, talked about this golden chain.
But then afterwards, we said, you know what?
Now Ryan's finally back, David's back, everybody's back. Why don't we just take a day? Let's take a day. Let's go to the beach. And that's what we did.
Yeah. And you could tell, I don't know if you guys can tell, but I got a little bit of color on my face. Yeah, I can sit and be sun-kissed. You know, I've always been jealous. Dr.
Have you ever had sunburn? I have. For real? I have. But it doesn't look like the same that it does on somebody who has really fair skin complexion.
No, but I do get sunburned. Really? Yeah. How did you get sunburned this trip? Not this trip, because I wasn't out there under the sun, and it was not as bad because we had a lot of overcast.
So we would get out in the water and it was overcast and played around, hung out with the kids, come back. Sure, but I was sitting under a tent, so it wasn't too bad. But then years ago, when we went and we didn't have a tent. And so we're like, we're just gonna go for it. And it was not very hot.
In fact, it wasn't, the water was actually cold.
So we stayed on the beach a lot. And actually, my, my, I guess cheeks got burned. Yeah. And it was burnt look different. It just, it was just very tight and painful.
It's, it's fun to me to watch the differences in complexions, even among my own kids. Because I have some kids that, like, I mean, they will get dark tan. Like, they, they, they hardly ever burn. They tan very, very easily and get very dark in doing it. Asher is a, is a dark one.
Very tan. Noah gets very tan as well. Really? Both the boys, they, they hold a tan pretty well. I didn't notice it.
Um, Joanna does not at all. She does not tan, she just burns. I didn't notice it until we were at the pool.
So the first day that we went, we went to the beach Monday morning and we stayed until Wednesday, like morning, afternoon. But I didn't notice it until we were at the pool and I saw all of your kids come out like a, like a little row of ducklings. Yeah. And with Asher's shirt off, you don't really realize. I mean, with his shirt on, you don't really realize how tan he is.
But then when you see his body compared to his siblings, it's like, oh my goodness. Yeah, he's pretty dark. Why is that boy so dark? He gets pretty dark. I don't know what it is about his.
That combination of genes, but it worked for him. Poor sweet Joanna, she just will not tan. She might freckle under her eyes right here. And that's, it's that or burn. Yeah.
And Dr. Sha, you actually brought your sister, Libna, came with us. That's right. And this was her first time ever. In a swimming pool?
In a big body of water. Any body of water. Wow. When I was young, I took her to the river to swim, but I was like a little scared because I didn't want to take her too far in.
So we kind of stayed by the dam and. Because The river where I grew up, the banks were sort of, you would have to walk like. I don't know, several hundred yards to actually get deep.
So it was better for you to go. The dam and then jump off the dam into the water. Don't imagine the dams being like a Hoover dam when you're in the water. Right, right. No, not that tall.
No, this is just like maybe five feet.
Okay. Okay. Five to ten feet. That's as tall as it gets, maybe five feet. And so that's where I took her.
And then I tried to teach her how to swim in our baptister, which is an outdoor baptister. And it was not very big. I mean, it was probably as big as twice the couch that y'all are sitting on. Could she lay on her stomach and stroke? Yeah, but I mean, it was like two strokes and you're to the other side.
And she was young at the time. She was like a little kid, yeah. Yeah, she was like, I don't know, I don't know, maybe six, seven years of age.
Okay, okay.
So I asked her when she was sitting by the poolside. I was like, why don't you come on in? You're like, oh, I'm okay right here.
So, no, no, come on in. And she finally came in and I said, Have you been in the water? He's like, Yeah. I was like, Oh, where? Like, with you when I was young.
I was like, It was like 47. That was the last time? He said, Oh, yes.
So I was like, okay, keep coming. She was scared. Oh, no, no. She kept hanging on to the side. I was like, no, no, no, you could keep coming.
Keep coming. It was fun to see her do that. And like, for someone who's grown up in like the South, you know, getting in the swimming pool is just like, that's something you're swimming as just extremely common. And so you don't realize that there's people in the world who have never been inside of a swimming pool, haven't ever swam. And so like you, you start seeing, okay, this person is scared.
But at the same time, it was cool to see her get in the water, experience it for the first time, and actually get to a place where it's like, okay, this is kind of fun. Yeah. You know, so how you're raised makes a difference. And We were raised with uh a fear. Of water.
And there was a reason for that. Two reasons, actually. One was the river. By our hometown. It's called the Topti River.
It was known for. Taking the lives of a lot of people. Because this river is um the river bed is more rocky than like like muddy.
Okay. So it had these um Whirlpools In the river.
So, as the river is moving, you don't see it on top, but if you ever get caught in it, it will spin you and pull you under. Yeah, that's rough. And you will drown. Unless you are a strong swimmer and are able to pull yourself out of that whirlpool. Mm.
So that wo that was a common thing. Not common in the sense like every day somebody's dying, but yeah, people had died in that river. But it was it was known that it was d it was known, it was dangerous. And that's the river we used to go swim, but we would swim by the dam where the wa the where where the You know, the riverbed was not, the rocky ground was not, didn't have any of the whirlpools. Yeah.
But if you went like maybe four. 400 yards that way, it was there.
So, you know, you need to know, don't go that way because you don't know where. You may hit that whirlpool right now. Second reason, we had a family in our church. And this family Had a father, mother, and I think altogether, maybe five children. When I say children, they were never children when I was growing up.
They were teenagers. They were in their 20s, okay, much older. And The father was a steam engine driver. Mom was a homemaker. Father was a steam engine driver.
His name was Julie George. Julie George? Yeah, that was his name, J.W. George. And I still remember having seen him today.
And he was a hardworking guy. He was a, he was. Big drinker, and he would get drunk when he came home. And I mean, he stayed like that until he went back to back to work or Sunday morning, and he was sober up. And then Sunday night, he was leaving to go somewhere to then drive the train all week long and then come home on a Friday, and he'll be super drunk until Sunday morning.
So, anyways. They had five kids. Their oldest one was a girl and then was a boy. Mm-hmm. And this boy was um went into the Navy.
and became a Navy diver.
Okay. They're not just normal people, okay? Yeah. Because they go in in deep rescue, they deep water rescue, they they they do a lot of things that average people cannot do.
Now, this did not happen in our Tapti River, but he was in another river, another big body of water. where inside, deep on the floor, they had what like an elephant grass.
So, which means it's like a really tall grass. And so he jumps off. And he got caught in, he got caught in the elephant grass. Yeah, on the riverbed or something like that. It was a really tall.
Viney grass. And he died. Oh. But he had his scuba gear on? Did he just die?
No, no. He was a diver.
So no, nothing on. Oh, he wasn't a diver like like for his prof like No, he was a Navy diver, so yeah, he would do scuba diving, but he was straight diving. He was trained to dive without gear. Without gear.
So was he working or was he just having fun? He was having fun. Oh. So he dove in and he went deep, and nobody even thought much about it because he's a diver. He's an expert, but he teaches people how to dive.
Yeah. That's rough. And he died. So.
Now, imagine when you hear a story like that. Yeah, an understandable fear of what you're saying. Your kids come up to you and say, Mom, can we go swimming? Absolutely. When we asked mom and dad, can we go swimming?
It's like, mom was, dad was usually cool about it. Like, no, not until you learn how to swim. You're not getting into water.
So, mom and grandma never let us get in the water.
So, imagine I had to lie and go and. Go with your friends? Go with my friends five o'clock in the morning. But Libna, I mean, being a girl, she can't do that. She's not doing that.
So she never learned how to swim.
So fast forward to 2025 here in North Carolina, where like, hey, we're all going down to the, we're all going down to the beach. Come with us. We get in the swimming pool. She's like, ah. Yeah, she did not.
And then when we, on the next day, Tuesday morning, we get into the ocean. Ocean. The Atlantic Ocean, where there's waves and everything. Because she wasn't freaking out, panicking, but I could tell in the pool, she was like, this is new. She played it very cool.
She kept very, very well composed, even if inside she was a little bit nervous about what was happening. And I kept telling her, I said, look. This is the time to get over that fear because there are people here. I'm here. Nicole is a 10 times better swimmer than I ever can be.
She was a lifeguard. She's a very good swimmer. Like when we went to Cosmo, Mexico, I mean, she was swimming out there and people were asking me: is that your wife? She is good. She was like doing flips with the dolphins and all that.
Yeah, none of that. Underwater ballet. None of that. But compared to some of those people out there, she was just like. An expert.
Yeah. Wow. So I said, Nicole is there. And trust me, anything goes wrong, go to her. Don't come to me.
Yeah, yeah.
She's the one you want.
So, and we didn't go anywhere deeper than you know, four feet. Yeah, yeah.
So it was never danger. But to see her even go in the ocean the next day, like that's a huge to have never swam in your life, never been in a swimming pool, and then the very next day you're in the Atlantic Ocean. That takes a lot of courage. Yeah, absolutely. And then I said, Ryan knows how to swim.
John knows how to swim.
So David knows how to swim. I was like, you are surrounded by people. And you're only in four feet deep. That's right. You better go now, or you'll never get over your fear.
That's right. So she listens: okay.
Okay. Yeah. It was really cool. It was a really good time. And I think I'll remember that trip a lot.
I think a lot of people, especially people who work in ministry, they want to feel like their staff and their family. are all one family. And yet, a lot of people don't do things like this. They don't travel. They don't go anywhere.
And like we travel to do our staff retreats, we go all over the country. But then we also take little trips like this just to have fun. Just to have fun. To have fun, to share those memories together. I mean, I was talking about Libna getting in the getting in the swimming pool and then in the ocean.
Like that's an important memory for us to share. That's a shared experience that we all have. Not just her, but we got to experience that with her for the first time. And that's a bond that we now have. And also, the reason we shared that story, a long story about fears, this is where you get over your fears.
Your fears of people, your fears of um of New places, and that helps you in your life because you're able to take risks. That's right. And in ministry, in workplaces, you need to learn to take risks. And this is one of the benefits of going on a retreat like this. You're right.
You know, when we went, we took a trip to Israel in 2019. I didn't want to go. Not because I didn't like travel. I was scared to fly. But you don't want to tell people that you're a grown person who's scared to fly.
So I was like, I mean, I'm just not a traveler. It's just not really ever been something that's interesting to me. But you really boil it down. I think at the end of everybody's. At the core of everybody's experience, you're afraid.
It is. And so going on that trip helped me in a lot of ways. Number one, I got to see Israel and I got to learn a lot about how to film on site. But number two, I'll never be afraid to fly again. Yeah.
Exactly. And I think, like, when I think about why other ministry leaders don't do this, they want that sense of camarading family without investing in the actual traveling. That's right. You have to get away. Yeah.
Even if it's for two days. This was not a typical staff retreat for us. This is simply just going to the beach, no schedule other than get in the water and just relax and go eat. And that builds bonds, that takes our relationships to a new level. That allows us to do things other than work, that allows us to, I guess, you know, develop courage, like for Limna and others, for your kids.
I think it was um Gavin was still afraid of water. No, golden. Holden is afraid of water. Gavin is getting better. Gavin is a little bit, he's much better.
He was all cool in the pool. He got a little bit better with the ocean. He used to be terrified. Holden, so the first day that we were there, they were both. It's really my fault.
I wasn't watching. I was watching them, but like I was, I had my eyes on two. I was sitting the bag down. Holden. Fell into the pool.
It scared him. It scared him. And he was not at risk at drowning, but he sank. And I just reached in, pulled him out. He was done for the rest of the trip.
He did not want anything to do with the pool. He didn't want anything to do with the water. Poor guy. Before that, he was all for it. He was like, I'm going in, I'm going in, I'm going in.
And he's two, but but when I set the bag down, he got away from me. He fell into the pool.
Now, if I hadn't been watching, if I hadn't been right there, it could have been bad because he sunk. But I just reached him, pulled him out. He was underwater for less than two seconds, but he was done. He was through. Poor God.
Gavin is getting over that fear by seeing his friends. Because the Hill kids were not afraid of the water. And so he was like, I'm going for it. Which is awesome to see. I mean, Asher was doing flips in the water, jumping off the side and doing, and I, and I was like encouraging him, taking videos of him, slow motion.
And then he would come over here and say, do you got one? I was like, yeah, here it is. And then he would watch. It's like, okay, I'm going to go do this. Here we go.
I also loved how. But think about the transformation there because it wasn't that long ago where it was my kids on the side of the pool. Like, I said that to Hartley. I said, because Holden was freaking out. No, no, I don't want to.
I don't want you. And I was trying to coax him in. And Hartley was like, you can do it, baby. You can do it. And I said, man, Harley, I remember not too long ago, that was you.
That was you. Absolutely. Standing on the side of the pool. Pools screaming crying, and we're like, All right. I think we did.
Well, we did it for like we did it for like 10 or 15 minutes, just trying to coax her in. Then finally pushed her. I was like, I'm just gonna push her in. I pushed her in. And she was just fine.
Yeah. And she was fine. It's that initial hurdle, but being able to help each other overcome that together. Like having kids set that model for the next group of kids that are coming along. And then us helping one another's kids.
I mean, that's such a uniting, that's such a bonding experience. And that's some of those experiences that we'll take with us. This idea of taking these, even just quick trips where there's not really an agenda, we can just go and just be together and just have fun together. Is that something that you learned from someone, Dr. Shaw?
Or is that something that you've kind of uncovered the importance of from Jesus? From Jesus. If you're going to learn ministry tips, that's what he walks in. He's probably a good example.
So here's the example right here: how I learned it from Jesus. It's from Mark chapter 6 and verse 30. It says, Then the apostles gathered to Jesus and told him all things. both what they had done and what they had taught. And he said to them, Come aside by yourselves to a deserted place and rest awhile.
We don't do that a lot. Yeah, go ahead. That right there is Jesus. Yeah. We don't do that a lot in ministry.
We don't, we don't, and it's not that we don't rest, but we don't schedule time for rest. You know what I'm saying? We try to catch it in little snippets where we can, and then we wonder why we don't feel fulfilled. We have the wrong idea of what rest actually is. A lot of people think rest is: I'm going to sit in a hammock by myself and just kind of listen to water.
And I mean, that's soothing and relaxing, but is that truly resting? Right. And maybe it is for some people. And that's great. If that's how you rest, please do so.
But if it's a team, then schedule some time for games as well as something other than planning and prepping for the next event or the next service. And in this passage, it even gives you the reason for that. Because listen again to Mark 6:31. For there were many coming and going, And they did not even have time to eat. Wow.
Did you know that's in the Bible? Yeah. Did you know that that What I just read It's in the word of God. That could be said of us today. Yeah.
So much is going on that they don't even have time to sit and eat. Mm-hmm. And so Jesus said, Let's. Get away and rest a little bit. Isn't it interesting that Jesus didn't say, hey, guys, I think we might be burning the candle at both ends.
We need to scale back our production. Right. We're going to get burnt out if we keep doing this, fellas. We need to do less. Jesus didn't say that.
And then it says, so they departed to a deserted place in the boat by themselves. I like it. They went to the sea. That's right. Sea of Galilee.
That's right. There's something about being around water and nature that's really brings out, I think, the best in people. You know what I mean? It's just, you have this sense of communion with God. I think what I'm in nature, man, and I know, Dr.
Sha, you feel the same way that like you just, you feel this closeness with God. And it's not an artificial closeness, but you sense that this is. This is with a purpose. Yes, it's made purposefully. That brings a sense of peace, a sense of relaxation, reminding us of the majesty and the bigness of God in looking at his creation, whether it's a mountain or whether it's the ocean or whether it's vast plains or a forest that's in front of us, reminding us that just how big God is and how capable he is to deal with our purpose.
That's right. That's right. But we also spend time with each other. Like on one evening, we just played Uno. Yeah, yeah, true.
At the hotel, they had a little kind of a mingling area, you know, where families could. Rent out the place, but they told us if you just wait around, nobody has rented, you can have it. And so we just waited around and we ended up getting some pizza. We got some pizza from Michael Edgelow's great spot down by Atlantic. Atlantic Beach.
And you guys, you and Adam went and got it. And our families took some shower, came down. We sat there, ate, and then watched the event. It was a huge TV, biggest TV I've ever seen. And then we played Uno.
Yeah, it was a good time. Several games. It was a lot of fun. Just laughing, spending time together, enjoying that rest time with one another. But I think that makes you a good leader, though, because you prioritize play.
You know, a lot of times I think leaders, whether it's in ministry or whether it's just in the secular world, they say, while you're here, you're working. Play on your own time. You know what I mean? You can play. You can rest, but that's on your time.
When you're here, you're working. And to an extent, yeah, we do that. But also, it's like, if we're truly going to say that we're a family and we're going to make this feel like a family to people who are listening or to people who are in our church, then we have to prioritize that play that's actually. That's right. That's right.
And we did that. It made us better. It drew us closer to God, closer to each other. And then there are also places where God is working in each of our lives. You know, going away or being away, it's not necessarily like.
perfect time. I mean, there are times where God is dealing with each of us, you know, in our spiritual walk, in our spiritual journey. And so that's also happening simultaneously. But all altogether, God Knew we needed this time. That's true.
That's true. I think about a lot of the times when we're together, and I think we're at our best when we're together. And there may be people who are listening who are like, you know, I want that camaraderie with my team. Yeah. Where do I start?
You know, because we talk about this and we do the show every year. We're like, hey, we're in Wyoming. Hey, we're in New Mexico. We're wherever. But sometimes it is just as simple as going a couple hours down the road to the beach or going to the lake or going to somewhere in your town or in your vicinity where you can just rent a place, be together.
That's right. And have a like, even if it's a loose plan, have a plan for your together. Absolutely. You have to schedule these times. If Jesus did that with his disciples, don't you think we need to do that?
Right, absolutely. I mean, he set the model for us on how to be a good leader. I mean, that's why we say he was the greatest leader of all time. That's right. Because look at how he did it.
Come aside and rest means he took the time to observe and go, These people are tired, and the crowd keeps coming. The schedules and the events keep happening. In fact, right after that, the multitude saw where he was, and many knew him and ran there on foot from all the cities. Imagine that. They're like trying to have a restful time.
You can see Peter lying under the tree over there, just kind of closing his eyes. You can see John with his feet in the water. You can see Jesus sitting there under, you know, a tree over there with a couple of guys just kind of relaxing, closing his eyes. And next thing you know, You know, uh maybe Thomas over there says, no way. No way, they saw we are here.
Why do they keep coming? I really doubt that this is going to work, us resting. Yeah, it's kind of funny too, because you always picture like Jesus' ministry with his disciples as them sitting under a tree, listening to the teacher talk. But man, they were like dealing with people, they were surrounded by multitudes all the time. Absolutely a non-stop life.
Yeah, it was rewarding, but it was demanding. And so, those times where you can get away, just I think, like you said, Dr. Shah, they become even more precious. That's right. Especially when you bring God with you.
I mean, there's also a negative example. You can follow the example of Saul in 1 Samuel chapter 14. And the men of Israel were chasing their enemies, and Saul had put a An oath on them. And the oath was, Cursed is the man who eats any food until evening, before I have taken vengeance on my enemies. And so they are going through the forest, and they came across some honey on the ground.
And the people saw the honey dripping, but no one put his hand to his mouth because of the oath. But Jonathan, Saul's son, had not heard his father charge them that way. And so he stretched out the end of the rod that was in his hand and dipped it into a honeycomb and put his hand to his mouth, and his countenance brightened. Imagine that when you actually get something on your stomach. Yeah, like something sweet and something refreshing.
And then one of the people said, Your father is strictly charged with an oath, and the people were faint. But Jonathan said, My father has troubled the land. Look now how my countenance has brightened because I have tasted a little of this honey. How much better if the people had eaten freely today of the spoil of their enemies which they found? For now there would not have been a much greater slaughter among the Philistines.
And so this happens. And Jonathan proves that he's a better leader than his own father. That's right. Yeah, Saul was like, just keep marching until we destroy them all. And Jonathan's like, no, eat something.
You'll feel better. Yeah. You see a great, great parallel there between Jesus and Saul, the leader who did it right and the leader who couldn't get it right. Yeah. I love that.
Prioritizing people getting away and resting is so important for the health of your team, for the health of individuals, but also for the health of your team working together and their ability to pursue ministry and pursue God's kingdom. That's right. Guys, make sure you join us next week. Same time, same station. We're going to be diving into another great topic here on the Clearview Today show.
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