Thursday April 10th | Humility

You're listening to Clearview Today with Dr. Abbadon Shah, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. I'm Ryan Hill. I'm John Galantis, and we are here in the Clearview Today studio with Dr. Abbadon Shah, who's a Ph.D. in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show. You know, I say that joke every single day.

Except, no, we're not. Still not here. Still not here. Going to finish this week out strong, but I did talk to Dr. Shah on the phone last night. They're having a great time, and I think they're in Scotland right now. Nice.

Scotland or Wales? Did you talk to him today? We texted, but I don't know about where he went. Gotcha, gotcha.

Well, he's in the UK. Nice. So, holding down the fort here at the Clearview Today studio, but welcome, welcome to the show. We've got a great show for you today. Talking about humility, you know, that's something I'd love for in my life.

It's a struggle for many of us. Speaking of humility, I do want to read our check-in from David W. from right here in North Carolina. David W. says, hey guys, really been enjoying the show, but I've been missing Dr. Shah. Ryan and John have been trying to hold down the fort, but we're all ready to have Dr.

Questions back in the studio. David, did you write this, bro? You didn't write that. Are you sure?

David W. from North Carolina. Suspicious. Suspicious. Suspicious. Suspicious. You did, hey, don't be suspicious.

We are ready to have that. Don't be suspicious. It's probably, probably. Don't be suspicious. We're not allowed to say last names, are we? Because I was gonna, I was gonna like give a theory of who it might be.

Yeah, go for it. It might be Woodson. David Woodson. Maybe. Could be. Could be. But I think I might be a David Williamson from, from North Carolina.

It could be. Speaking of David Williamson from North Carolina, you called me last night. You said you had a little run in at Sheets. Do you want to? Oh man, yeah.

I thought. An encounter. Yeah, what happened? I had an encounter. The Stu Kind? What does that mean?

My mic is not working. Okay, there it is. I pulled up to Sheets last night.

Uh-huh. What were you gonna get at Sheets? I was gonna get two protein parms. That's a sub with chicken parmesan. Not calories, my friend. No, it's not.

900 calories, 74 grams of protein. Each? No, no, for one. For both. Okay, okay.

Anyways, irrelevant. I pull up and I see a car and on this car. As you often do at gas stations. Are 15 Truth Network stickers. Sure.

Go ahead, go ahead. I'm like, this has got to be somebody I know. Shout out Truth Network. Shout out to the Truth Network. I sit there and I wait and I look and then I see none other than a giant pumping gas. So he, so you see like, like, you know how the, the spies looked into the land and they saw giants. Right, right.

And they came back and gave the report. Yep. That you, you felt like that's what I saw. Yep. It was Stu Epperson himself. Are you sure it wasn't Ryan Stiles from Whose Line Is It Anyway? Oh, it might have been.

No, they look very similar. It was very, it was very obviously Stu Epperson. And then I go up and I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna say, hey, I walk over to the pump. Stu Epperson, by the way, I'm sorry to interrupt you. Stu Epperson, for those of you guys who are listening, is the president or the founder?

Both. President, founder, CEO of the Truth Network. That's who we are syndicated through. Yeah, he's the guy. Yeah, he's the man. We call him Big Stu. He's a great guy also. Just a great guy all around.

Yes. We, I go up to talk to him at the pump and can I tell you, it was like a fever dream of a moment. So I'm like, hey, Stu, he turns around and he's like, oh, David.

Oh, oh, this is so good. Here, talk to this guy. And he gives me his phone. So he's on the phone with someone.

Yeah. And he gives me the phone to talk to the guy that he's on the phone with. And I'm like, uh, hello? And Stu's like, uh, uh, Chase, uh, give this guy the, the, the advice for growing in Christ. And he goes and starts pumping gas while I'm holding his phone, talking to this guy. Okay. He gives you the phone to continue his phone call, gets this guy on the phone to give you advice for growing in Christ and then leaves. And he's pumping gas.

Okay. So then he's like, oh, look, this is Mark here. And Mark, a guy gets out the car, not Mark, not our Mark, but it's another Mark. And he's like, Mark, have you met this, this David right here? He's with, uh, he's with dr Shaw here at the truth network.

Uh, yeah. And he's, uh, just a great guy. Y'all need to meet. This guy's not interested in me at all. How could you tell he's on his phone? He's texting. He's like, I don't think we met. He wants to go home.

He's like, I don't think we met. What time of night is this? This is like, uh, probably nine 30, something like that. Oh, so it's, and they were still like, they were not close to home. Yeah. Yeah. Winston Salem's like two hours away. Right.

So that plays a part too. Um, so as we're, as we're talking, doing this, this guy on the phone gives me great advice. I'm like, yeah, one of my favorite versus Galatians two 20, we have a conversation.

Stu's like, oh man, that's great. All right, chase. I'll have to talk to you later. Hangs up the phone, hangs up the phone. He's like, David, come here.

I got this for you. So he reached in his car and he gives me a bottle of mighty muscadine grape juice. And he's like, here you go.

We take care of our people here. Also, he reaches back in his car. He's like, also look at this. We've been handed these all day and he hands me a flyer that has Dr. Shah's face on it.

And it's like all the people that are on the same one. And he's like, man, I tell you what, I, this was not a chance encounter. This is, and I, as he's talking, I take a second and I look down and he's wearing some teal colored foam slides, foam slide. Yes.

What does that mean? Like the, like the, like his shoes. Yes. His shoes. I'm a Google teal colored foam slides.

So I've never heard of called slides before. Oh my goodness. Yeah. This that's what he was wearing. Yes. You're joking me. That's exactly it.

A hundred percent. So bare feet. Pretty much at a gas station.

Foam cushion slide. And then as, as like we're wrapping up the conversation, he's like, tell me, tell me this, David, tell me this. Where's ice cream? I was like, where's some ice cream at? He was like, is there a good ice cream joint around here?

What's the best? I was like, ah, there is. And the other guy was like, just tell us where the nearest McDonald's is.

McDonald's. You go that way. And then he turned this way.

I got bad news for you. You know, the ice cream machines broken, especially at nine 30 at night. He said, but that's the opposite direction of where we're going. He's like, well, is there a good place to get ice cream on the way back? I was like, uh, yeah, if you're getting on the interstate, you can go and stop off in Oxford and get cookout. Bro, get you some sheets, ice cream, get you some milkshake. Then he was like, Oh, cookout.

I tell you what, chocolate milkshakes. That was exactly what we needed. Thank you.

We're going to do that. And the guy was like, is that far away? I was like, it's maybe a mile or so off the exit. He was like, okay, um, we might just get sheets. And then Stu was like, how about this?

Mark is not playing. He wants to go home. And then Stu was like, let me tell you this. You tell us, should we get cookout or should we get sheets? And I was like, um, I was like, cookout.

I mean, sheets has got a lot of calories. He was like, okay, so cookout's healthier. I was like, no, it's not. And he just laughed. He's like, okay, all right, well, we're going to go. And then that was just the end of the, that was the end of the interaction. He gave me a hug and he took a picture with me. And then he, he took a picture. Yeah. I will text him and see if he'll send the picture.

We'll, we'll drop the picture. I love Stu. I like, I like, he's such a great guy. He's a great, great, great guy.

And he's done a lot of good stuff for us for Dr. Shah for this show. But boy, I tell you, that sounds exactly like it right there. Like I'm going to tell you, this was not a whirlwind. This is a mighty act of God. This is an act of God from a divine appointment right here.

Here's what I want to do. I'm going to pray for us. I'm going to pray for us. We're going to go to some ice cream.

Here we go. Like, like he called me and told me that whole thing. I was like, yeah, we got to talk about that. He called you and told you that he met David. No, David called me. Oh, that's funny. He saw Stu.

Funny, funny. But yeah, that was pretty stinky. Shout out Stu at the Truth Network. Shout out Stu. We didn't have him on the show at NRB. That was one of the ones that we missed. But he was, he was so busy.

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That's right. Today's verse of the day is coming to us from James chapter four in verse ten. It says, humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord and he will lift you up. We have to be told to humble ourselves because that's not a natural. We're not naturally humble. I mean, look at any look at any kid.

Yeah, look at it. Pick a child, any child. I don't care if they're the most angelic, sweet, wonderful, precious baby angel that has ever walked the earth. Every child is self-centered. Every child. We come into this world self-centered, self-focused, and the world trains us to stand up for ourselves, to put the focus on us, especially here in like the Western world.

It's very individualistic. You are the captain. You are the one in charge of your life. But James flips that script and, you know, by extension, God tells us if you humble yourselves, that's the way that you'll be exalted because it's not you.

It's Christ in you. Kind of like that scene in What's the Pirates of the Caribbean where they go to David Jones Locker. The way you get up is you go down. I can't remember what, it was the third one.

I think it was called at Worlds Inn. Yeah, but that's true though. The way up is down. Humility is a posture of your heart that says, God, you're in control. I don't have to prove myself to you. I don't have to prove myself to anyone.

I trust you with my future. And you think about who James was writing to, like all the believers he was writing to, they were caught up in like pride and quarrels. They were self-seeking people. They were self-seeking Christians. And so he just is reminding them that friendship with the world means that you've got enmity with God.

If you look like them, if you look like the world, then you're going to be at odds with God. But he doesn't leave them in condemnation. He gives them a path back and that is to humble yourselves. And then there's a promise that goes along with that, that God will exalt you.

Yeah. You know, one of the things that has been the biggest struggle for me in regards to humility is calling out, I guess, the lack of humility in myself. Because for so much of my formative years, for so much of my growing up, I was very, I still struggle with it from time to time, was very harsh in my self-talk, like very negative toward myself, constantly beating myself up, constantly talking down to and about myself. And I thought that that was humility. Like, well, I think less of myself. So that I must be humble. I must be a humble person. But it wasn't until I was older. And really, I mean, it was after I was married that I really began to grasp this concept of that's not humility. It's just pride in a different skin.

That's true. It's just, it's just pride wearing a different rapper because I'm still so self-focused. It's just negative self-focus. I'm still focused on me more than I'm focused on other people. And it wasn't until that realization that God really started to refine in me this aspect of humility.

And I have not arrived by any stretch, but by God's grace, I'm better than I was 10 years ago. Well, we think that we're better, kind of like Connick what you were saying, we think that we're better than people who brag when we don't brag. But we still want the focus on ourselves.

I mean, I think that's part of human nature. And you know, what God says here, this promise is he's not going to leave you when you humble yourself. I think people are so afraid to humble themselves because they think that's going to be the end all be all they're never going to get. It's like, well, like telling people to humble themselves is not saying give up on any dreams of validation. Like just, you're never going to make yourself small and weak and then be that way forever. God gives you a promise. He says, I'm not going to leave you in the dust. I'm not going to humble you just so that you'll always be humble and lowly for all time. He's going to lift you up.

That lifting is going to happen in his time and it's going to happen in his way. And that exaltation may not be glory or your name in lights or worldwide recognition. It might just be peace. It might just be God's favor in your relationships or in your spiritual walk or doors or opportunities opening for you.

But it always is going to come from God's hand. And so that's how you know that exaltation is going to be something that lasts rather than exaltation when we try to exalt ourselves. And it's sneaky because nobody ever overtly and explicitly exalts themselves. It's always a way to exalt yourself that doesn't look like exalting yourself. And that's the game, right?

Yeah. I mean, there are those people who are like charging out in the front and everybody look at me, look how great and fantastic and wonderful I am. But for most of us, I think you're absolutely right, Jon. It's much more subtle than that.

It's much more sneaky. It's a subtle pull in our hearts. And if we're not careful, and like James says, actively humbling ourselves, it's easy to fall into that trap of self-righteousness. Yeah, because you stack up your accomplishments, right?

You find out what degrees or what promotions at work or what awards or what honors that you've been, or just even that your work is really good. And like, especially when you do start to get notoriety or recognition for your work in your field or outside of your field, you know, you have this expectation that what you do and what you accomplish validates your worth as a person, to the point where we're not content to be faithful to God. We want to be impressive.

You know what I mean? And so that's one of the things that I try to see in myself and with musicians, especially, because like all of us in this room are artists. We're all musicians. And so there's that, or we are, you know, I mean, Ryan is a musician, David's a musician, but we're also like with theater, we act, we're all artistic, I guess.

Yeah, creatively minded. And so you have that performative aspect, even a part of partly this show, there's a performative aspect to anything when you're in front of people and you're talking and you're presenting something, even if it's the gospel. And so one of the things that I like to tell our musicians at Clearview, especially drummers, especially drummers and guitar players, I don't want to be impressed. I'm sure you can impress me. I'm sure that you are good enough to impress me on the drums or on the guitar or whatever, but I don't want to be impressed.

I want to worship. And a lot of times they'll take it personally, but I try to tell them like, I don't mean that as an insult against you, like play boring. What I'm saying is the goal is not to impress me or to impress anyone here.

So that actually frees you up. You can play simply and you can play in a way that inspires worship or that inspires this atmosphere or whatever we're trying to create without the pressure of, I need to execute this really, really excellently. Because God's not against our success, but he is against that kind of ambition that forgets who gave us that success or who gave us that talent to get success. That's a great point. I had that exact conversation with our cast that's working on our spring play. We have some very talented people here at Clearview, especially in the theater realm. A lot of our actors, whether they have theater experience or whether this is their first kind of entry or first couple of shows in the theater world.

I mean, we have some very talented men and women, even down to our youngest actors. And I told them, we're not here to make you look good as an actor. We're not here for you to wow everybody. You're not up for an award nomination. This isn't the Actors Guild Awards.

We're not here to promote you. We're here to tell a really great story because God has given us the ability to tell stories as an extension of his image in us. God is a storytelling God. He communicates through story. Most of scripture is narrative because God tells us who he is through the stories of the Bible. So when we engage in that process of storytelling, it's engaging that aspect of the image of God within us.

Zoom out from the play that we're working on. There's a grander story that's being told, and that's all of these moral choices and all of these dilemmas that the characters find themselves in point back to a sense of right and wrong, and ultimately that's derived from God. So we're engaging in something that is much more eternal than just, hey, make sure you have your lines memorized and you come in at the right time. And everything we do at Clearview, and I think our encouragement, I know Dr. Shaw feels the exact same way, is that everything we do, we want you to have eternity in mind. When we worship, when we act, when we make this show, even when we just clean the bathrooms or make the coffee for the day, you're doing something that is impacting someone's eternity.

It may not seem like it in the moment. You may think, well, I want the show or I want the lights or I want the platform, and all that stuff will come in God's timing. But at the same time, everything that we do, from the biggest thing to the smallest thing, reflects eternity. And I like that you say that because we are eternal-minded. And you can't chase eternity without humbling yourself. That's in and of itself, that is a humbling experience. Because you start to see like when you can only see your finiteness, if that makes sense. When I'm chasing something that is eternal or I'm pursuing a blessing that is eternal and will impact heaven itself, think about that.

That's a tall order. If you don't humble yourself, it's never going to happen and you'll always end up unsatisfied. That's why I see so many people on social media, especially people in ministry or churches or whatever, a lot of those posts are not about sharing joy or sharing that eternal mission. They're about curating envy.

You know what I mean? Because we want people to notice us. We want people to follow us or like us or comment on us or engage with us. Because the more people engage with our stuff, the more we feel like, okay, I'm doing something important.

Now I can feel good. Man, I fall into that trap. I fall into that trap every single day. Because I don't want our identity as a church to be based on clicks or engagement or clout. Because ultimately you're just building your house on sand at that point.

That's a tough trap, especially in this day and age. Dr. Shaw preached a message a while ago through the Beatitudes and it was one that was life changing for many people. We heard from lots of people how it kind of helped them understand not just the Beatitudes but Christian living and what it looks like to display the character of God in aspects of your life. When we get to blessed are the meek or blessed are the humble, the promise there is for they shall inherit the earth. That word inherit is important because it's not just they'll be given the earth. They'll earn the earth or they'll get the earth as a result of their humility or their meekness. Inheritance is a family word.

It's a family connection. This aspect of humility points to our identity as sons and daughters of God. When did God display humility?

Well, when Christ came and humbled himself to the point of death, even death on a cross. That's right. I think about that. Your identity. This is something we talked about from the pulpit last week. You being a child of God is much more of a prize than inheriting the earth. But as a child of God, you are going to inherit that earth.

I think it's in that identity that you find that meaning. It's kind of funny because that's one of the things that could give you such a huge head where it's like, I'm a child of the king. I'm going to inherit the entire earth.

I'm going to rule. Forget all of that. Coming to that knowledge that you are a child of God somehow in his wisdom, he makes it the most humbling thing that you could ever do. I think deep down we know we don't deserve it. There's nothing I've ever done or said or given that can ever measure up to who he is, what he's done, what he's said, what he's given. I could just never earn being God's son. And yet, he gave it to me anyway.

He gave it freely. There's this beautiful quote in that same message. Dr. Shaw quotes John C. Ryle. John C. Riley? No. I'm joking. I'm joking. I guess it could be Riley, but I'm pretty sure it's Ryle.

John C. Riley is the guy from the... Yeah. Yeah. So, he says this. It says, humility and love are precisely the graces which the men of the world can understand if they do not comprehend the doctrines. So, in our humility, in our love toward other people, that's the access point that most people have to God. It's difficult to comprehend the doctrines behind scripture. It's difficult to comprehend the doctrines of God, but you can comprehend someone in humility serving you.

You can comprehend someone in love reaching out to you and putting your needs above their own. So, humility then is not just, like we said earlier, diminishing yourself. It's not just like, oh, I'm going to be here and I'm going to be quiet and I'm not going to take up very much room. That's the mindset that a lot of Christians fall into.

I'm just going to exist quietly in my corner and I hope I don't make waves. But that's not the humility that God has called us to. God has called us to an active humility that serves other people and in turn points people back to Christ and what He's done for us.

Yeah. There's a line, I think, that I think Dr. Shaw pointed out in that same sermon where he talks about when you talk about inheriting the earth and this idea that we humble ourselves because that's the way to get rid of pride or that's the way to get rid of envy. There's a line in Psalm 37, I think it's in the very first verse, it's how it starts. It says, Do not fret because of evildoers, nor be envious of the workers of iniquity, for they shall soon be cut down like the grass and wither as the green herb.

And I think about that imagery, right? That's really powerful because it seems like in this day and age, more so than in the past, but I think it's always been, the wicked just seem to be flourishing. And the worse you are, the more terrible of a person you are, I guess is the best way to say that, the better you're going to do. You're going to gain power and you're going to gain prestige.

And these are people who abuse people, they mistreat people, and they look like they're not only getting away with it, they're being rewarded for it. You know, this Psalm says, Don't be afraid because they're like the grass in the Middle East. You know what I mean? It's going to appear lush and it's going to appear green, but once that desert sun comes or once that dry desert wind, it's all going to dry up and it's going to fade away.

And it says, The Lord laughs at him for he sees that his day is coming. I think about that. Like, that could be me.

If I got everything I ever wanted in life, all the honor and the prestige and the glory, if I got everything I was chasing after, that would be me. I would enjoy it for a very short time, but eventually that desert wind is going to come. So I think a lot of the humility also comes with patience, which is something that I struggle with as well because I want that good life right now. I don't want to wait for it.

I don't want to wait until I'm in my 40s or 50s or 60s. But then I think about what Dr. Shaw said, that you are living the good life. You know what I mean? It might not feel good right now, but this is the life that ultimately pays off in the end.

Right. It requires humility to sort of set our dreams, not to the side, but to put our dreams on God's timetable. Because the things that we want, we're ultimately going to have. The things that we desire, God's going to give us the desires of our heart. It's just that God molds our heart, and God changes those desires over time to match what He wants for us.

God's will for our lives is what we would pray for if we had the sense to ask for it. That's one of my favorite things I've ever heard Dr. Shaw say, and it has radically changed the way that I think about my prayer life. But it takes humility to acknowledge that. It takes humility to acknowledge this thing that I want for myself, this picture or this vision that I have for my life, may not be the best thing for me. And if you struggle with humility, just know, man, you have it in you. If you're a Christian, you have to humble yourself to come to the cross. You have to come to a point where you say, you know what, there's nothing I can do. There's nothing that I can say or do or think or give away to earn my salvation.

You do have the potential. Really, I would say you have humility inside of you. It's something that God has given you, because that's how you get to salvation in the first place, is you humble yourself, you ask Jesus to come to your heart. And so if you're struggling with it, I would just say, remember that. Remember how it felt that moment you got saved.

If you were too young to remember it or something like that, you can foster it, you can pray for it. That's something that God gives you in your prayers. And it's an eternal aspect. There's an eternal significance to your humility.

So this isn't just like, yeah, I struggle with pride, or yeah, it's not something to laugh at, it's not something to kind of shirk off or chuckle at, because there's an eternal component. Our humility is what gives people a picture of who Christ is and what He's done for us. It's that mind of Christ that we talked about earlier in the week, I think. That mind of Christ being developed in us. Humility is part of that.

That's what it says. Philippians chapter 2, I think it's in verse 8. He was found in appearance as a man and he humbled himself to obedience. Think about who Jesus is. Think about the full majesty, the full weight of who he is. He had to humble himself just to be found in appearance as a man, just to look like one of us. That's an act of humbling himself, let alone the cross, let alone the humiliation and the degradation of the cross, just to come to this world as a baby.

Wow. I think about the humility that it must have taken. And if Jesus can humble himself, we probably ought to work. Yes, 100%. If anybody ever should have been excluded from the command to humble themselves, it would be Jesus.

And yet he humbled himself. So if he can do it, we probably ought to do it. We can do it. That's right.

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