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Anything goes. You are teaching children adult child sex, you're teaching transgender issues, and children are moldable and influenced by that. They said, okay, now we need you and your team to be able to explain what homosexuality is to a four-year-old student. To introduce this kind of material at that age, frankly it's child abuse. You're going to teach our children that it's okay for any two children of any age, of any sex to have sexual intercourse with each other as long as two components are present. One's using a condom and they both give consent.

Did I hear that correctly? It's not a neutral venue. There's no such thing. The schools are doing your job. They are discipling your children, but they're not discipling them in the faith of Jesus Christ. It's only the exceptional child that even survives that system. Most do not survive.

Most have not survived. They believe that children are sexual from birth and that they deserve and have the right to be sexually active and to seek sexual pleasure. And if anyone is stopping them from that, then you are judging and oppressing them. Even kindergarten now, they're wanting to teach them more and more perverse information and acts and put that into the children's minds. And once that poison is in the child's mind, it doesn't leave. They'll always remember what they learned. And it's by design, it's orchestrated.

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Neither products do not treat, reduce, cure, or prevent disease. Welcome to Chosen Generation with your host, Pastor Greg Young. But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people, that you should shoe forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light, which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God, which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. And now, Chosen Generation, where no topic is off limits and everything is filtered through biblical glasses. And now, here's your host, Pastor Greg. And welcome back to Chosen Generation Radio, where no topic is off limits and everything filtered through biblical glasses. Thanks so much for being here. I know you have a choice of where you can listen each and every day, and I thank you for keeping it tuned here to Chosen Generation Radio. Well, I'm very pleased to welcome, as I do each Friday, to the program. He's been with us here for a number of years, over 10 years, in fact. He is also, by the way, just to let you know, he is available to come and speak to your group.

He speaks all over the country to groups regarding understanding that the danger in the issue that is Marxism, his most recent book. Let me get my fingers to work here. I know that I have no feeling in my fingertips.

None. So when you try to grab something with your fingertips, but your fingertips are not sending any signal to your brain, your brain says, there's nothing there. I will not squeeze. Literally. So when you're trying to do that, you get to a place where your hand is shaking because, you know how you do, how isometrics work?

Where you push against yourself. Okay. Yes. Okay.

All right. So I am pushing as hard as I can, with the smallest tendons and ligaments in my fingers, to try to make my fingers close and pinch. And they and and and my brain is sending my subconscious is sending a reverse signal to fight against that.

You can't use a fork or a knife or a spoon. Well, it's it's not easy. And what I have to do is, is I have to use this portion of my finger for feeling because I don't feel here. It's, it's, you know, people ask me, you know, well, how are you doing with your walking? Um, well, I'm, I'm, I can get up.

But here's the issue at a certain point. Because there's no feeling in the bottom of my foot. There's feeling on the side. My foot turns in the shoe. And I'm walking on the side of my foot. And I cannot stop it. Because my brain is forcing my foot to turn in order to create contact with something that touches the ground.

So my brain knows that I'm connected to the earth and walking. And I mean, well, yeah, and and and, you know, I just now I just attempted to explain that to you. But even still, and I don't I, you know, I look at your face, and there's kind of this quizzical look of, because it's like, it's, it's, it's a foreign language. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah. No way to relate to it.

Zero. 100%. I completely understand that. I there there.

I don't, I don't know how someone, I don't know how exactly to get someone to be able to relate. It's just kind of like, yeah, we'll just get up and walk. Yeah, that would be, that would be glorious. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll keep that. And I do. I mean, I do get up and I do try to, you know, to walk. But there are there are some challenges associated with that.

Because of, you know, what's going on with my feet? That are interesting, to say the least. At any rate, that was my problem getting your books. But yes, here are the books. And this is the most recent book right here.

Fundamental Transformation. What did Obama mean? And if there's in, in my humble opinion, and these are all books that I would recommend that you that you that you get, and we have a package for you that will send you all of these books, you make a donation of $150 or more, and we'll send you all of them.

But these two books right here in particular are worth the price by themselves. This one is Republic or democracy? Why does it matter? And I've got to I've got to tell you that that of, you know, everybody I hear, even people that are on our side on do not know how to explain this issue. And, and they consistently refer to a democracy over and over and over. And it is in part because of this fundamental change. But understanding that Obama's fundamental change that he did that he helped orchestrate every one of those pieces was already in place. Okay, he didn't invent this is this is what I think is is difficult for people to maybe sometimes get ahold of. I know, folks, you you all know this because you watch my show, and you're very engaged and actively involved.

But I would suggest that there's at least 150 to 175 million or more people that that, you know, may make the assumption that, first of all, that is crazy. Obama couldn't have made all these changes that you think he made talking to us. And, and so on. Well, he didn't.

All of this had been put in place and was just waiting, lying in wait like a, like a virus in your system that's waiting for the right moment, the right the right elements to take place in order to activate. That's what he did. And that's why these two books in particular, are so important to understand, knowing the difference between a democracy and a republic, and knowing how Obama managed to be able to complete what he said he would do, which is to fundamentally change our country. Very few people understand that during the Constitutional Convention, and first of all, the Constitutional Convention was not organized to be a constitutional convention, the Constitutional Convention was organized to be a revert artery to rewrite and to, to correct some of the mistakes that were there in the Articles of Confederation. But there were certain people amongst them, George Washington and James Madison, who intended the minute they they came into Philadelphia, getting ready for the convention, their intent was to completely get rid of the articles and put in a different form of government.

That's what they did. During that, and that that the convention, what we call the Constitution, Constitutional Convention took about three months, it was mostly the most most of the summer in Philadelphia. During that time, two things of great import happened. One was that they were getting absolutely nowhere. Things were totally discombobulated. And finally, Benjamin Franklin said, we will get nowhere unless we open our sessions with prayer. And that's what the convention started to do.

And all of a sudden, things started to come together. The other thing that is not reported is during that Constitutional Convention, the concept of will we have a republic or will we have a democracy was discussed. Those people understood what a republic is. The republic is where the law is the supreme ruler of the land. Democracy is where the majority of whatever the ruling body happens to be at that time, dictates what's going to take place. Those founders discussed that difference.

Will we have a republic or a democracy? They took a vote. They unanimously, I'm going to repeat that. They unanimously rejected democracy.

Wow. They unanimously rejected democracy overwhelmingly endorsed Republic. And you need to know the reasons why they did that. And when they did that, they said we will not be a democracy where some small group rules, we will be a government under the law. And then the Constitution is where our law is written. And when in that Constitution, they say that this is the only way something can happen. That's the only way it can happen unless that Constitution is amended.

A couple of things that are import here. Number one, the only body in our government that has any authority whatsoever, any authority to make law is the legislative body. The legislature has no authority to abdicate its responsibility and pass on lawmaking to either the judiciary or to the executive. There is no place that I can find in our Constitution, where an executive order has any validity or any authority whatsoever. It does in a democracy. It does not in a republic. Any ruling by the Supreme Court or any other court, according to our Constitution, is not a law.

It is only an opinion. When Justice Marshall said the Supreme Court is the final say on the constitutionality of a law, he was dead wrong. When Justice Holmes said freedom of speech does not allow yelling fire in a crowded theater, he was dead wrong. And what we have done is we have allowed our Constitution to be bastardized, and what we have done is we have become much closer to a democracy. In fact, we are a democracy now. Our Constitution has virtually no authority whatsoever, other than in trite sayings. And what we have done is we have followed the very direct route that Lenin told us is critical and Lenin said democracy is indispensable to socialism and socialism is the gateway to communism.

We are now a socialistic democracy bordering on becoming a communist state. And if you will support the Indian ministry of Pastor Greg and contribute to that, he will send you the six books and you will get Republic or Democracy and Fundamental Transformation, What Did Obama Mean, and folks. All of these things I've talked about are laid out in detail there. And first of all, the ministry, to be able to contribute to spreading the gospel around the world, specifically in India, is what we are commanded to do. And we should consider that a privilege that we're able to do that and that God is allowing us to help contribute to his work.

And what you will learn, I promise you, will be things that you weren't aware of before. This is not a transformation to communism is not something that just started yesterday. It's been going on for a long time. And Obama did very good. It was Obama who gave BLM legitimacy. It was Obama who brought him to the White House what 18, 20, 24 times. It was Obama who said the police are racist. It was Obama who politicized the Department of Justice and the FBI.

And let me let me let me let me speak to that for just a second. I had in the early days Hans von Hans von Fakovsky. I had Jay Christian. I had Jay Christian Adams on Jay Christian Adams wrote about that. Adams served for two years at the Department of Justice under George W. Bush.

I'm not a huge Bush family fan. But I can tell you that under the George W. Bush Department of Justice, they weren't doing what they started doing under the Obama Department of Justice. He lasted one year in the in the Obama department's Department of Justice, and he resigned. And he says in his book, the reason why he resigned.

And one of the big things that happened was is they hired 1500 activist racist attorneys to fan out across the country and find issues and and interject the federal government into local law enforcement and what was happening. And one of the first ones they did it with was that was that professor who had locked himself out of his home and was trying to get back into his house. And a young security guard stopped him and said, sir, you know, can you identify yourself? And the professor chose to say no.

He chose to, all he needed to do was say, this is who I am. This is my house. Can you can you prove it? Well, actually, I'm in my, my bathrobe. But you know, let's let's just kind of hang tight for a minute. And you call it in and somebody will be able to come out.

But you know, when when you guys get out here, yes, it will be able to be validated that this is my home and so on. And by the way, thank you. Thank you for doing your job. Thank you for protecting my property. You know, I you know, I could have been some crazy person trying to get in here and and and you know, and I and it would have been me lying in in in my bed in the home asleep.

And somebody gets into my house and could have harmed me. So thank you for doing your job. But instead, it was Oh, I'm, I'm, I'm a black professor. And I'm black.

And I'm trying to get into my house. And so therefore, and you're a white security guard. So this is racial profiling. No, it's not.

It's you're breaking into a home. That's what it looks like. All you need to do is, you know, keep it toned down. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, I'm Professor so and so. This is my house.

And and so on. I made me you know, perhaps you could call it's because it's university property. So guess what? They have a key. They could help him get into his house. And all he could have turned to the guy and said, Man, am I so glad that you're here.

You know, you can help me get into my house. And then what did holder and Obama say? Oh, they said we have a race problem here in America. Yep.

Yep. And we do. We have a serious race problem. And that serious race problem is causing division. That serious race problem is being augmented greatly by the left, to tell us we have a race problem that we never had before that. And today, there is true hate amongst the far less the far left towards anybody that is a law abiding citizen.

They don't. It's not black or white. Now it's law abiding.

And if you're law abiding, you are hated by the left. We were we were talking about earlier, is there any hope? Is there any hope for our situation? And of course, we live based by the Word of God. And we know that there is hope in God, we know what's going to happen.

But let's talk about in the immediate future. First of all, there is hope, but it does not lie in the Republican Party. We learned that this we've learned that this this, this this political cycle, the Republican Party has no interest in winning. The Republican Party supports the unit party. The Republican Party is made up of McDaniel, McDaniel and McCarthy.

All all three are true rhinos, who are more concerned with keeping the deep state intact than they are in alleviating us from that horrible, horrible, horrible dictatorship of the deep state. Our only hope lies outside that the outside the Republican Party with somebody who promises that they will absolutely dismantle that bureaucracy. The political the politicization of the Department of Justice and the FBI has to be totally, totally wiped out. We have to get rid of all of almost every career bureaucrat there is. And once the that's the only way we're ever going to get straightened around is when we clean up and and decentralize our bureaucracy.

bureaucracy is the soulblood of communism. Well, the other piece to this, yeah. We can not refrain from engaging in the moral questions and allow them to discard us as though Oh, those are just social.

They're not. Look, our entire constant you said, you know, that the Constitution would allow for someone to yell fire in the theater. Here's the issue. A moral person wouldn't do that. No, a moral person is not going to march down the streets, declaring death to Jews death to Christians on the American street. They wouldn't do that.

And you wouldn't you wouldn't have that. Our founding fathers when they came up with the idea when that when they said freedom of religion. I know this is going to fly in the face but but quite frankly, they saw a freedom of of Christian denomination. Not not not now there were other belief systems that were here. But it was clearly understood in their mind that Christianity would always be as an overarching truth, the guiding principle for the United States of America, the gospel would be the underlying truth. And the Bible, the Holy Word of God would be the underlying moral, concrete, absolute, that would gird everything else.

Because without that, we don't understand that it is God and God alone, who gives us our rights. And yeah, anyway, 30 seconds. Go ahead.

If you'd like to add John Adams, John Adams, specifically stated it others, others referred to it as well, that our nation, our constitution, our system of government was created and could only be could only be kept by a moral people. There you go. All right, I gotta jump. Don, thanks for being with me today. I greatly appreciate it, sir.

Back next week, and then I'm taking Thanksgiving week off. Just I won't do that up front. There you go. There you go. All right.

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I am Patriot Mobile. You can support Chosen Generation and make a tax-deductible donation by visiting www.chosengenerationradio.com. And now, back to Chosen Generation with Pastor Greg. And welcome back to Chosen Generation Radio, where no topic is off limits and everything filtered through biblical classes. I'm your host, Pastor Greg, and I'm very pleased to welcome back to the program. I'm very pleased to welcome back to the program Dr. Carol Lieberman joins us.

Dr. Lieberman, welcome. Good to have you with me. Thanks for being here. Thank you.

It's always good to be chatting with you. Well, we've got a really crazy, wild, and interesting topic, which has to do with a minister, Fred L. Bubba Copeland, who sadly, he was the former mayor of Smith Station, Alabama, as well as served on the Lee County Board of Education, and was a minister, and he recently took his own life. And I'm going to let you kind of tell a little bit of his story, and then we'll get into some conversation about the implications of it and share some thoughts back and forth on it.

Sure. Yes, here he was. Bubba Copeland, he also called himself Brittany Blair Summerlin, the name that sounds like it comes right out of a romance novel, right? That's what he used on his online and in for his alter ego, who was a woman. And he also used actually, he also wrote stories, and he used names, this is sort of was, in a way his undoing or part of his undoing, that he used names of at least two of the women in his town.

And it's so interesting, though, is that the way the women found out was that people sent them the photos from these porn sites. So it obviously showed who was watching porn in the town, and if they recognize these women. In any case, this man, he was going along and actually, he was a very good, from all accounts, he was a very good mayor and presumably a good pastor, he was a pastor of a Baptist church. And there was a tornado in the town in 2019. And he was, various high officials, politicians, commented, congratulated him, he was really appreciated for how he took care of the town after this tornado.

And so all of these extracurricular activities, having this alter ego, writing stories on porn sites and pictures, posting pictures and so on on porn sites, it doesn't seem to have interrupted, interfered with his jobs as both the mayor and a pastor, until once upon a time, a news outlet decided to out him. And that is where everything fell apart. He apparently called a friend at the police or the sheriff's station, and he sounded really upset.

So they came out to do a welfare check. And they found his car, you know, they were driving around looking for him, and they saw him in his car, and they did a slow speed chase of him, you know, they were just trying to keep him safe. And what happened was, at some point, he stopped the car and he got out and he shot himself.

Because obviously, the humiliation of all of this, and the fallout, you know, was going to be too much. Now he did actually, before he killed himself, he did, and when it came out on this news outlet, he did talk to his congregation and told them about this and told them that it was just something that he is like a hobby. And he does he also dresses up in women's clothes and so on that his wife knows about it, and that it really wasn't anything serious, but apparently it really started bothering him more and more to the point where he was too much and he killed himself.

So let's, I guess, you know, I mean, there's a lot to unpack, as it relates to this. As a psychiatrist, from your perspective, would you say that this individual was suffering from a mental illness? Well, you know, then that would mean that, I mean, he obviously did have some problems. But you know, I was, he wasn't really. So everybody has fantasies, not quite as lurid as his necessarily.

And not everybody posts pictures of people in the town on their town, in their town on porn sites. But, um, you know, I think the thing where he really stepped over the line was that some of these stories that he wrote, including involving these, at least one of the women, if not both or more, had to do with his fantasy of killing them, you know, they were they, there was some violent slasher, they called it slasher porn. And he killed them so that he could assume that their identity Now, this was again, this was just his fantasy fantasy, right, right. He didn't actually do it, but he, but he wrote about doing it.

Right. And he then the one that whose identity he assumed, he then had sex with her husband, and he saw said that that was like the ultimate proof that he was able to, you know, be believable, but her husband didn't recognize that it was him instead of her. So I mean, you know, clearly he does have problems that he has such a, that he has to engage in such a detailed lurid fantasy life, but he hadn't really done anything in real life.

And, um, and I don't think people should, should be condemned for their fantasies. Now, yes, I mean, there was obviously, obviously, he really wanted to be a woman that was, you know, he was Brittany Blair. He called himself a transitioning transgender curvy girl. He described himself as that as Brittany Blair online. And he said that love smiling clothes and shoes.

Let's chat. So you know, he was living out this other part of himself online. It showed that he was not satisfied. You know, here he was, I mean, a pastor, a mayor married, you know, he had a very full life. And yet, it didn't satisfy his real desire. And he dressed as a woman, but none of that was enough to satisfy his craving to be a woman.

So that's why he expanded upon it online in fantasy. So does he have psychological problems? I mean, I guess, you know, you could say that if he was unhappy in his life, if doing it online, you know, having this fantasy life and online wasn't really satisfying enough yet, or, and or if he wasn't able to carry out his jobs well, as a pastor and as a mayor, then, you know, then that would speak more to a diagnosable psychiatric condition. Well, okay, so let's, let me, let me let me jump in here. Just to help our conversation kind of kind of move along a little bit. I mean, you know, because I follow what you're saying. I guess that one of the questions is so at a certain point, in in in the diagnosis books, homosexuality was considered to be a mental illness. You and I've had some conversations about that. I believe that you still think I mean, I believe that it is a mental illness. That it's not normal for a man to be attracted to another man.

That's not a that that's just not normal. So there are generally underlying issues that have created that thought process and and and and change the way the brain is reacting to things. By the same token, transgenderism has also at a certain point now I don't know if it's been changed or I don't know if they updated the book or not. Is it still because it because it seems to be that that is now a very accepted thing.

I mean, they're pushing it on kids. And you and I have talked about that. I think we agree on on that issue.

This is an adult, I get all that. But from a psychological perspective, isn't it still considered to be a mental illness of sorts? Well, um, I mean, it depends on who you talk to and when you talk to them. You know, because I was involved when I was a resident in psychiatry in New York, I was involved in one of the parts of the DSM, domestic and statistical manual that had effective schizophrenia. And I saw how even though it's, you know, supposed to be related to studies, and it is to a certain point, there's also a lot of politics.

I mean, clearly, when, for example, when more than when there were more gay psychiatrists, all of a sudden, being gay was not considered a psychiatric illness. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, that's what it comes down to, right. You know, trans and so, I mean, what you know, it has to do with the reason why people become gay or lesbian or, or trans has to do with, well, that's so much trans, because that's more of a social phenomenon now. But, but like a gay and lesbian, it has to do with the hormones that are floating through the mother's body when they're in the when the baby is in the uterus. And it has to do with the psychodynamics of the family during the earliest years of the child's life, like from zero to five and zero to 10. And depending upon what the relationships are with the mother and with the father and all of that, that is what put those two things together, the biological and then this psychological.

And that drives someone in one direction or the other. Is it, is it natural? I mean, is it, you know, nature? I know, you know, of course, God did not say that it was, God didn't say that it was natural. And it really clearly if people were, if people, if it was as natural as heterosexuality, we wouldn't have the human race. Absolutely right. Yeah, there'd be there. I mean, that's exactly right.

There would, the reproduction would end and we and we would have become extinct 1000 years ago, at least, you know, especially at the percentages that it's happening today. And I think that's where the argument about the indoctrination, which I've warned about and warned about, I'm sure you did, others like us have warned that, you know, once you once you institutionalize the idea of same sex marriage, now you have to teach it in schools. Now you are indoctrinating children. And once you do that, that's why between 16 and 35, they say, you know, the numbers are as high as 39%. You know, say that they are in some way connected to that alphabet soup. Yes.

I know, but that has to do more. That's beyond the womb and beyond childhood. That is teachers and indoctrination, right? People from the left teachers, and kids, I think we might have talked about this once before, about how children coming back from two years of lockdowns, you know, not not socializing and all that are much more vulnerable to all the propaganda that is being taught in school and reading, you know, you should be trans. I mean, they look at all the attention that they get, like on social media, when they start talking about their transitioning, and they get all these likes, you know, like go, go for it.

Obviously, that is incredibly unhealthy. And people are more and more, you know, people are increasingly becoming trans, and people are also increasingly detransitioning. Chloe Cole talks about that, amongst others. She's one of the names that people may be familiar with.

But she talks about that. She says, you know, I was a, I was not a popular person. Nobody knew me, nobody liked me, nobody gave me any attention whatsoever, until I decided that, you know, until I was led to believe that maybe I would be happier if I was a boy. And as soon as I came out and said I was trans, all of a sudden, I had 1000 friends, and I was the most, one of the more popular kids in school, and everybody loved me. And, and I was just adored, which led to her, you know, allowing and getting her body mutilated, which she's filing a lawsuit about now. And she's not the only one I had, you know, members of one of the detransition organizations on, I don't know, a couple years ago, year and a half ago, something like that. But that that is going on.

But let's get back to our topic of Bubba. And, and this particular thing, because I think there's several things in this, one of them as a minister, as a pastor, okay. You know, obviously, my biblical belief system would be that this was someone who was who was hurting. And I want to share something that I, I posted this morning on my Facebook page.

And honestly, I wasn't thinking about this when I did it, but I guess maybe it fits. One thing I've learned over the years, wounded people are wounded. Wounded people cause wounds and wounded people get their wounds opened up by other wounded people. Most people have wounds and are therefore wounded people.

So love like you would like to be loved. And know that Jesus Christ by his stripes, heals wounds. That's very good.

Yes, it's, it is true. I mean, and I guess you could argue where I thought you were going was that how could he be a good pastor and, and say that he stands by the Bible, if he is doing something that is forbidden in the Bible? Well, and I, and I think that that this is, this is part of the challenge that I argue is the problem within the church today. There's a, there's a saying in the Christian church, you know, that I, I'm, I'm a sinner saved by grace. It's kind of like standing up in an AA meeting and AA requires you to stand up and say, hi, my name is Johnny and I'm an alcoholic, even though you haven't had a drink in 25 years.

Okay. Look, the word of God, Proverbs 18 21 says, life and death are in the power of the tongue and those that love it will eat of its fruit. In other words, what you confess, what you declare, what you believe is going to impact how you say things. So when someone says, I am a sinner saved by grace as a Christian pastor, I'm saying, hold the phone a minute, because if Christ's sacrifice was complete, was full, and I know that from a Jewish perspective, the Jewish people are waiting for Yeshua to come and I get that. But, but when he comes, whether you believe he's come or you don't have wherever you stand on that, when he comes, he's going to complete what God intended for Messiah to complete. He is going to save people in totality. As a Christian pastor, I believe that Yeshua did that.

Therefore, he defeated sin. Now, it's not something that you or I do. We live it out on the other side of the cross. But it is something that is supernaturally done, but we have to accept it. We have to recognize it and then start professing it. And so Paul talks about the battle that we have. That which we wish to do, we don't do. That which we wish not to do, that we do.

The struggle we have. But at the end of that chapter, in Romans chapter 7, he says, but for Christ. In other words, if Christ hadn't come and done what he did on the cross, we'd still be stuck in that place.

This pastor was stuck in that place. I believe everything that's in the Word. I can agree with him that he did. I can also agree that even though he believed all those things, he still struggled with these other issues. Because he was still working through the process of applying what he knew was truth to those challenges. So that he could be free.

And unfortunately, here's the problem, honestly too. James tells us when someone falls, walk with them. I had a gentleman years ago that came to my church that had an issue with alcohol. And he would come and he'd be doing okay. And then he would pass. And after I dropped everybody off, because I used to go pick people up on the south side of Modesto. And when I dropped everybody off, I would always swing by his house if he missed. And he'd come to the door and he'd be like, oh man, pastor, I'm, you know, I'm on a bender. You know, I'd be like, hey, it's okay. Come next week.

Come next week. Because he was, he didn't want to be on that bender. He didn't want to be drunk. He didn't want to be back in drugs.

He wanted to be free. Listen, I'll work with somebody like that until they get to their freedom. Okay. Now, somebody who says, well, I believe all this, but I also, you know, I'm just going to do, I don't know where Bubba was in that process.

But God, if he was still alive today, I would say to him, hey, you know what? I get it. I'll walk with you. Somehow I'm going to help you. We're going to get you free from that.

We're going to get you free from that bondage. So you're not living in that duality that is really scrambling your brain. Yes, the suicide was really very unfortunate. You know, one diagnosis might have been gender dysphoria, except that he really didn't seem to be disturbed by his longings to be a woman. He was, he was satisfying them to some degree through this online fantasy life.

So it really wouldn't technically fit under gender dysphoria. But I mean, if this news outlet hadn't come along and exposed it, he wouldn't, I mean, he would have just gone along his way and nobody would have known the difference. And it doesn't really seem like he's never been arrested for anything, right? I have to wonder you talked about the slasher and the anger and the and those kinds of things. I have to wonder if somewhere in his history, he didn't have a sense either emotionally or physically, whereby he was a was abused by a woman. And therefore he had anger issues with that. And and yet fantasized about how he would be if he was that having been wounded in in in in that way, if does that make sense?

Am I making any logical sense? Yes, it could be. I mean, you know, were it not for the slasher part, I wouldn't, you know, say anything like that. But because, you know, he wanted to see it. So it could well be that he was identifying with the aggressor.

In other words, if a woman did abuse him, notably his mother, most likely his mother, then, you know, then he would have this underlying rage and the the dressing up like a woman and so on would be his identifying with the aggressor, his mother being the aggressor, and then still having, though these underlying wishes to attack the aggressor to kill the aggressor, which he did in his fantasies, writings. Right, right. And again, you know, all of these things from from a from a scriptural from my biblical perspective are, these are all sin, we can say, you know, when you know, the severity or the seriousness or however you want to look at it, but at the end of the day, they are all sin.

And and I think as a Christian pastor, my responsibility is is to assure people that, hey, whatever you're dealing with, whatever your sin issue is, I want you to know that you can come to the cross and get healing. And, and, you know, so so to, so to speak out and say, well, that's not really good. And I don't know, you know, that I don't perceive that as as having been a good lifestyle that was going to go on indefinitely, per se. Yes, yes, there. There was the risk for sure of him acting out some of his fantasies. That is true. You know, it's I wonder how his wife is dealing with the whole thing now. He killed himself on November 3. Yeah.

It's still really fresh. We have to pray for them. It was also traumatic, of course, for his congregation, of course. I mean, you know, and then you have to wonder, would they have rather known that this was his secret life?

Or would they have rather gone on not knowing about this? I think they would have rather gone on not knowing I, when I came to Texas, the church that I took over, I discovered after we had been here for about six months, that there was in its history, a pastor who had declared from the pulpit that he was leaving his wife for another man. And of course, the in the reaction of the of the congregation was as they actually burned the pulpit and burned his desk. That was, you know, it was so, you know, and it was, I'm, I know, devastating for the wife and for the and for the child, and it was devastating for the congregation. And quite frankly, it was devastating for that location, because I had people that said I, I, you know, love to come to your church, you sound like a great guy, but I won't go in that building because that happened there. Yeah, it is very strong.

Because for however many years you go to church believing that your pastor is, you know, following the laws of the Lord. And, and then it's a betrayal. Right.

Yeah, no, absolutely. Well, I, you know, number one, I just I think we both want to, you know, communicate that whatever your challenge is, again, suicides, not your answer. And I know there's a lot of that out there. There is a spirit of suicide, that that is running rampant right now. And, and, and I just encourage you and and look, I get under that attack, my own self, I really do.

I'll just tell you I do. But you know what, you've got to reject it, you've got to recognize that it is a spiritual battle. It is a it is an attack on your mind, it is a spiritual battle. And and you can you you you you can walk out of that corner. It's like it's like an imaginary corner that you find yourself in, whereby you feel trapped. And what you need to recognize is, is that what you what's coming at you, you can you can in your mind turn. And when you turn, it will it will blow right past you.

And when you turn back around, it'll be gone. Well, I just want to say, I think the reason why there are so many suicides and increasing number of suicides is because people are seeing how this country is being destroyed. Yes, by who are trying to destroy it, the Obama Biden White House and friends, and they don't want to live in a country where there aren't the traditional American values, and they don't see a way out.

You know, some people are moving if they have the means to be able to do that. But otherwise, you just look around and you see how sad you know, there's there's misery everywhere you look, and or, or a destruction of American values. And it is it is overwhelming, it really does get very overwhelming. But the solution to that is, I advise people to become part of the solution to do your part, whatever that may be, whatever part of traditional values, you're the most upset about them being destroyed, then do something in that area to try to reconstruct them to bring them back to make people salute the flag and sing the national anthem and all of those things, you know, every we each can can do a little bit and that if everybody does something, then it'll, it'll be fixed. Well, it's it's a matter of spreading hope, isn't it, doctor? Yes, it's a matter of spreading hope and and and and absolutely, you know, you can't you can't eat the whole pie.

But but you can you can bite off your section. And I try here on this program, to present, you know, a lot of different things that are being done that are happening issues with solutions so that people can choose something that that matters to them, that they feel like they can make a difference in. Yes, absolutely. And I love that. I love that recommendation. I thank you for being with me today. This was this was quite the topic to get into it really, you know, I mean, just there's so much and so much more even more that we can unpack that we that we obviously weren't able to get to but I greatly appreciate you coming on. I always always love and cherish our conversations. Thank you so much.

We'll take our believe we will be back with you on Monday. If you are struggling, if you're struggling, you can reach out to Dr. Carol, it's dr carol.com. Or you can reach out to me at Pastor Greg at chosen generation radio.com.

Pastor Greg at chosen generation radio.com. We will be happy to provide you with resources to deal with it and and whatever you do know this. There is hope. There is hope. May God bless you. Thanks for being with me today.