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And some of those are what are impacting. By the way, have you have you seen any arrests made with regards to the storming of the White House? We do we have another POW camp maybe is there are there are any of those people being charged with anything at all? No. No. Interesting. Not a thing.

Not a thing. My goodness. All right. Let me welcome my guests to the program. We want to continue to give you updated information and address, you know, the disinformation that is causing what we what we watched this weekend. I want to welcome Dr. David Wormser to the program. Dr. Wormser, welcome. Good to have you. Well, thank you. It's great to be with you, Pastor.

My, my, my. So um, I mean, the the violence that we're seeing the protests, and these protesters are not calm, peaceful, you know, march down the street, hey, you know, and and I want to bring really, really quickly something I was thinking about my friend Bill Federer talks about this I've done extensive and I, I'm, I'm gonna post what I sent you, by the way, I haven't posted it yet. But I think the majority of it is pretty, pretty on point.

You know, just kind of laying out what what's happening. But Bill Federer talks about Islam. This is a religion and it's not really a religion. This is an ideology. This is one heretical lunatics dream to create something whereby he is going to be worshipped and remembered by all of those that follow him and whereby he had complete and total authoritative control to fulfill all of his sick fantasies, including pedophilia, and, and basically having a banquet and watching people he didn't like or whatever his trip was slaughtered and murdered in front of him while he ate.

I mean, this was a very sick individual that had major mental problems. And now he's considered to be this great, you know, he's, he's referred to as the prophet, but it's deranged man and, and I, and, and so Bill talks about their, their 1400 year pattern. Present yourself as a religion of peace. They did that in Mecca and, and, and other places where Jews had settled. Then he took over politics, then he slaughtered all of the Jews in those areas.

First in Mecca, and then he came back to where he had been thrown out of and began to slaughter the Jews there. And that's the third step. So it's religion of peace, take over politics, and then move to a military attack. Others don't even realize we're under military attack right now in our own borders. Yeah, I would add one more dimension to it is that he sends people out and he doesn't really claim credit for it. It's the ideology is the command.

And therefore you can never say he ordered it. It is others who did it fully understanding what he was ordering, but through the language of faith. And it's in the Quran, I mean, it's written in the Quran to kill the earlier Islamic way of war is they relied on loyalty through the ideology, but gave considerable autonomy to the local forces to carry out the jihad. That way he wasn't held accountable, et cetera, or that the caliph later and so forth.

This is important because you keep hearing American intelligence, American officials saying, we don't have direct evidence that so-and-so ordered. First of all, all they have to say is a line in the Quran and everybody understands it. Our military looks at that and says, it's just a line in the Quran.

A Muslim looks at that and said, that's a command. And we don't understand, we don't, you know, one of the things in Israel after the invasion four weeks ago is a lot of Israelis said, we don't speak Arabic anymore. And by that, they didn't mean the language. They meant the culture, that they don't culturally speak Arabic anymore. They forgot that they're dealing with Arabs and not another Western country. And there's a different mentality. There's a different way of doing things in a different way of war. And we have to come to terms with that, that this is very much not, you know, we saw this with ISIS. We kept saying, these are aberrations. The ISIS was following to the letter what they were reading in the Quran.

For example, there was one, I was, I had an argument with an intelligence official once where they saw al-Baghdadi, who was the head of ISIS in Iraq. And he was, he picked a little wig of a tree off the floor and he started using it as a toothpick. And the intelligence officer said, these are the primitive people we're dealing with. They just pick a tooth, they just pick a twig off the floor.

This is, this is, this is primitive. Don't they have toothpicks, you know, number one, and it's unsanitary. And they didn't understand this was not, that twig was put there.

Why was it put there? Because in the Quran, Muhammad, after a specific moment, did that. So they are emulating to a T something Muhammad did. He saw a twig on the floor, he picked it up and he cleaned his teeth that that was in the Quran. And as a result, al-Baghdadi to emulate the prophet did the same.

It wasn't primitive. It was emulation of the prophet. And it's the, it's evidentiary of exactly what you're saying and what we're trying, what an American in the West does not understand, on the one hand, you know, I would, I would proffer that it's, that there's an evil that is a part of this. And it, and it is, I mean, it's evil that what they do is wicked. But on the other hand, they, they don't see it as wicked. They don't see it as evil. They see us as the wicked. They see us as the evil. They see us as the problem.

No matter how nice, and this was the other thing that I think that you and I have talked about a bit, no matter how nice we want to try to be, they don't care about nice. As long as Islam, Sunni Islam especially, has no interpretation, it is literal. And that means what you see in the Quran is how they must act.

And it was a very brutal rise to power, very brutal. They believe it's legitimate because they are acting in the will of God. So therefore, it's God, if you have a problem with the methods they're using, take it up with God. But of course, you can't take it up with God, and you shouldn't take it up with God.

That's their, that's their mentality. So for them, if it's done by them, it's what God willed it to happen. And if you lost, and you are subject to such horrific things, then it's God's will that you are subject to such horrific things. God has decided to judge you.

So therefore, judgment happens. So there's no sense of personal responsibility or personal restraint in this order. You are acting as an agent of God.

You have no agency here. So if you are moved to kill somebody and cut his head off, that is what you were moved to do by God. And the very idea that you have agency, that you have free will, is an affront to God. Because their view is God is in a totality. And there is no free will. And that therefore, if you question what they did, you're questioning God.

Yeah, it, and so it is, it is really a, it's so contrary to our comprehension from the Western world perspective. And I guess the thing that is unique in that is, I mean, on the one hand, right, you know, God's Word in our Holy Bible that we read, you know, we know that God's Word is absolute. We know that God is sovereign.

We know that our God is a loving God. And we know that there are consequences that we have when we disobey what His Word has to say. But the carrying out of those consequences, most times, are what happens to us in our lives when we do things contrary to what His Word says, which then ultimately leads us back to realizing that, hey, you know what, maybe God does know better than we do. He knows better, and he also, there are expectations of us ever since the Garden of Eden, the punishment of knowledge. Remember, one of the things that we were punished with as humans was knowledge.

And you'd think, well, God has quite some punishment. That's not, that's a good thing in knowledge, yes, but it also entails agency and responsibility. And as a result, we are judged for what we do by God, because we have agency over what we do. And we have the skills, we have a certain level of divine capability in our brains, nowhere near where God has, you know, we will never know His way, but we have some faculties. And therefore, we can't excuse ignorance or lack of agency for what we do. And that way, we have judgment, we have judgment, whether you're Jewish, and it's on Yom Kippur or whatever, or the end of days, when you die, or in Christianity, you have judgment at the end, whether you've accepted Christ, etc.

So there's a sense of responsibility and consequence to what the way you've lived your life and what you've done. In Islam, the whole idea is alien. The idea that there's human agency means there is a force that works outside the will of God. In other words, you have violated the oneness of God, the totality of God, any action, they don't even have the idea of physics.

Why? Because if you have laws of physics, you have something that's existing out of the debate out of the independence, out of the first cause of God. In other words, if I take my coffee cup, I push it, and it spills, that's not the laws of physics. Every single part of that is an act of God.

Namely, He made me push it, God made it tip over, the water spilled out. It wouldn't have happened each step unless God willed it at that moment. So there's no secondary cause. I didn't do something that caused something to happen, because if there is, then the will of God, at least for a moment, is suspended and some other thing takes over to act, whether it's the laws of physics or human will or whatever, and that tears apart the unity of God in their view.

So there is no secondary cause. In fact, it's called Asherism, and it's the reigning ideology of Sunni Islam. So in all this, if I act and I slaughter a baby, how can I be ultimately evil? Because it's obvious I don't have free agency, and I don't have knowledge beyond what God wants me to have. So therefore, I did what God's will was, and it's, by the way, politically locked in. The Shiites are a little different, and they have interpretation, and unfortunately, interpretation can lead people to very dangerous places, but it is necessary, Christianity and Judaism as interpretation.

So you have these schools of theology and so forth, but why is it important? Because the fourth caliph was overthrown in a military coup, and that's where the split between Sunni and Shia Islam started. The guy who won was the first Sunni, so to speak, and his argument for why he won was, I won, which meant God willed it to happen. I'm only an agent of God. We have no free will.

So if I won, it must be legitimate, therefore you follow me. So right there at the very beginning, politically, the very identity that separated Sunni Islam from Shiite Islam is anchored fundamentally to the idea of no free will and no independence action. But for them, everything that happens is an expression of God's will. There is no judgment that you should pass on Hamas for beheading three-month-old babies, or a baby in a womb, in fact. There is no judgment for that because it's God's will. The moment you say it's not God's will or it goes against God, you have already committed a heresy, a horrible heresy, because you're saying something happens without God wanting it to happen. But it's really, again, it's beyond our ability, I think, in the West to fully comprehend the evil that is associated with this.

And in my mind, there's no question that this is an evil. And that's why I push back regularly when someone says, oh, well, no, these are the Ishmael people and they serve the same God. That's a fallacy. It's a fallacy. Allah, and I understand, and then you can argue ancient languages, but the Allah that they serve has created a world that sits on the trunk of an elephant, if you read their book.

Okay? I mean, that's what it says in the book, folks. That's what it says in the book. Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It's not the same one. Not the same person.

Not the same entity. And Christians and Jews serve the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, the only true God. And I've had people say to me, too, well, okay, but what about salvation and all this other kind of stuff?

In my humble belief, I do believe what Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life. But I also believe that God never goes back on His Word. So if a Jewish person is a believer in God, if they are adherent to the Word of God, then I believe that God is going to be God and be true to who He said. Now, a secular Jewish person who says there is no God or I'm not following God or what have you is the same as any other secular person that says I'm rejecting God. And guess what, there's hellfire when you say I don't want anything to do with God for everybody.

It doesn't matter who you are. That's right. You know, I mean, the big difference is that Christianity and Judaism are umbilically linked. They're basically, you know, you have Judaism, Christianity considers Judaism to be the Bible to be genuine, it isn't corrupted, and the Jewish people were the Jewish people. But there was an expansion and transition in Christianity that accepted that and said, but there are further revelations, further things, and therefore, you know, we are consistent with the Bible and with Judaism, but we are now the next rendition of it, or not next, we are the continuation of it. But that's the way, so it's all consistent, there's no revolutionary rejection of the Bible.

Right. In Islam, the basic point is God came to Moses. He gave him a revelation. Muhammad. The Jews are too corrupt. Oh, Moses, right.

Yeah, okay. The Jews are too corrupt, and they corrupted the revelation, and so the Bible that the Jews have is considered corrupt and wrong and a violation of God's will by the evil of the Jewish people who saw it, who corrupted it. So he had to come down again, and he saw Jesus, and he again gave him the true revelation. But again, the Christians corrupted it and did the same thing the Jews did and completely obliterated it and turned it into an evil.

So he had to come down again to Muhammad. But ah, Muhammad is the true revelation, it is the last prophet, it is the final revelation because what Muhammad passed is the actual. So the Qur'an in their view is what was given to Moses.

It was what was given to Jesus. So the Qur'an is the real deal, and this Bible that we have, that we Jews and we Christians have, that's corrupt, that's not real. It just, that's their view, but that's why they can dissemble, and they can say, well, we have great respect for Jesus, we consider him a prophet. Yeah, but they think that he was corrupted, and what we think Jesus said and did and taught and preached is corruption. What we think he said is not what he actually said. What he said was the Qur'an, just like Muhammad passed forward. That's the view. And it's interesting because the woke progressives don't have a problem necessarily. They use this idea, Islam, I mean you watch it around the globe, communism uses Islam as a means to clean out, because communists' greatest enemy is Christians and Jews.

Why? Because of that Bible. Because of that Bible.

Because that, because they know that's the true God. And they know that the only way, and they for years and years, they've tried to kill the Christians and they've tried to kill the Jews, and they can't quite seem to exterminate us. And so the only entity that they believe is strong enough on earth with the strong enough intent to actually do that is Islam. They believe that Islam will clean the continents of these Christians and Jews so that the communists can actually ultimately take over. And they believe that in the end, you know, once they've used Islam, then Islam will either bow to them or be destroyed.

Absolutely. You know, this linking of communism to Islam, I think it's a very deep historical and I think philosophical idea, and I think that there's a lot there that is more actually real than just similarity. You know, we talked about how Islam, Sunni Islam, they did not accept the idea of any fissures in the world. There's no human free agency. So under that circumstance, a political leader is also the spiritual leader.

There is no difference, the power must be absolute and total in the great leader. And there is no, because he's the agent of God. The reason why this is important is that in our, we do believe in free agency, which means we understand humans are a fallen species, basically. We are not perfect.

We have sin and we have the capability of further sin. And politics is about human activity. So therefore, politicians will be corrupt. Politicians will do things they shouldn't do. We have our faith.

Our faith is our conscience, it is our values, it is our identity. And that should be the, it should box in the political leadership to define what they're allowed to do. But the political leadership are humans, and they do things they shouldn't do sometimes. So for us, there are always checks and balances on the power of the government, because they are humans, they're not God. In Islam, they are the agents of God, there should be no checks and balances. Otherwise your checks and balancing God, and moreover, checks and balances again, rip the unity of the world. If you have two bodies that operate independent of each other, it means that the unity of God has been torn into two.

So the very system of liberalism, I mean classic liberalism, that defines America is anchored to this idea. By the way, it's in Judaism. The idea that Judaism didn't have a similar division is wrong, whether you look at the various prophets, whether you look at the debates in the Talmudic period, there was a constant debate in Judaism about how much authority goes to the mundane and how much goes to the religious structures. And there was a belief that that needs to be kept separate. The world of the spiritual and the world of the political needs on some level to be kept separate. The spiritual must guide the political. It must be the filter through which the political operates. But it isn't unified because the political is inherently human and humans are inherently flawed.

So that's why we have the form of politics we have in our freedom. Whereas in Islam, when you get to communism, it has the same view as Islam, that there is a totality, the leader is perfect and he must, anybody who does not follow the leader is violating and they believe the secular laws of history or the arc of history is what they like to use the communists. This concept of the arc of history and predeterminism by some historical force that this brilliant intellectual leader knows, but nobody else does. So they don't believe, like Islam, they believe in totality of power. So that's why the totalitarianism of communism is actually identical to the totalitarianism of Sunni Islam.

It's really quite scary. Yeah. By the way, they're also historic.

I won't bore everybody with historical, but there's probably lines of influence that caused communism from Islam. Yeah. Well, more than likely.

More than likely. Right. Going back 200 years and more.

Okay. Let's talk about where things sit right now, because the intensity of... As I look at it, there's two big pushes. We see what's happening on the streets here in America, but it's around the world, where you have the Palestinian Hamas, really it's the Iranian, I believe, influence.

And this is the part that I find difficult to understand why there's not been any identifying or more focus on this. It's clear, I was reading a post by somebody on Facebook who's like, well, you're gonna get Iran. If we're not careful, we're gonna get Iran involved. And I'm thinking that you really don't understand what's happening over there if you think that Iran is not already involved. Iran's running this whole program, in my opinion.

Yes. Well, first of all, they've already attacked American forces in Iraq and Syria 50 to 60 times in the last two weeks. That we're not responding and the press isn't focused on that doesn't mean it isn't happening.

No American soldiers killed yet, but there have been Americans wounded. And I think the Iranians will continue to hit us like that because they wanna make the point that this is not Israel fighting them. It's the great Satan. It's America, not the little Satan.

They wanna say that the great little Satan is so weak and pathetic. It's falling to pieces and it needs its big brother America to save it. So they want America to be involved. They wanna show they're fighting America and they're counting on the fact that Biden is too weak to meaningfully respond. So it's perfect for them, but they're already at war. They're at war in Europe, in America. These people out there on the streets are under directive of Hamas, which is under directive of Iran.

I'd go even further. They're using Chinese networks, they're using KGB networks. There is a cluster of evil that's coming at us. And we're not, we at our peril are ignoring this. This is a many front attack on us. And make no mistake, they are right now attacking Jews, but these are the same Antifa, the red green black coalition, red being communism, green being Islamism and black being fascist. This is the same red green black coalition that did the summer of love in 2020 and took and all the businesses burned. These are the same people. Today it's Jews they're attacking.

Tomorrow it's this, whatever. The bottom line is it's the American idea they are attacking. They know Jews in America, the position of Jews in America. And believe me, for Jews, America has been a utopia for the last 300 years.

We talked about that Friday. Yeah, exactly. It has been a utopia because the American idea is so friendly, if not even intertwined with Judaism and Christianity and so forth. If you're rejecting America, you are going to go after Jews. You're going to go after Christians.

You're going to go after people of faith. In the end, it all comes around to the same place, attack on America. Let me shift gears for a minute because the media is pushing this narrative.

The marchers are pushing this narrative. I sent you a video that a friend of mine had sent to me to get your thoughts on this. You and I have covered, and folks, I'm going to put up on my blog post a breakdown answering the questions regarding the size of the attack, regarding the breakdown of communications. It's all going to be explained to you in this post, and I hope you'll go and read it, and then also links to Al-Rasouli, who is our Islamic expert, explaining what Islam really is. These are things, if you have not dove into these things, you need to understand.

If you've dove into them, but it's been a while because of all the other clutter that's been happening, you need to be very aware of this. But where I'm going, very quickly, I want to get there so I can get your thoughts on this, and that is the assault. Israel is guilty now of genocide because they're bombing Gaza, and there's a guy that put up a post saying, oh, they've killed 7,000 people in Gaza now, and it's horrific, and look how evil Israel is. And even in the video that I sent you, it's, oh, well, Netanyahu proposed a one-state Israel solution to the UN because we know that the two-state solution doesn't work. Hello, folks.

It doesn't work. Okay, a two-state solution means the dissolution of the dissolving of Israel, period. But David, speak to this attack against Hamas and the war that's going on from Israel's perspective. By the way, Gaza was the two-state solution. It was a fully independent government, fully independent state operating that had one and only one purpose, is to arm and prepare an attack to kill Jews.

That was the only point. So that's the problem Israel has, is they controlled Gaza, they gave it up, it became that. They controlled territory in Judea and Samaria, the West Bank, gave it up, became a basis of attacking Jews. Every piece of territory, every inch of territory Israel has given up for peace has been used to kill Jews against it afterwards, not to build a state.

There's nothing constructive. Now about the war, first of all, the numbers, 7,000, 10,000, 11,000, these are numbers coming from Hamas. And we know Hamas lies. We know it from the missile, the famous hospital incident where they claimed Israel killed 500 people in a rocket attack.

It turned out it was an errant rocket from Palestinian Islamic Jihad that fell on a hot hospital. In other words, they shot themselves, and two, it was maybe 10 to 20 people who were killed, not 500. But facts don't matter, 500 people are dead. That's what they claim, and Israel killed them. So the idea that Israel killed 10,000 assumes that the numbers they're giving are correct, which they're not. Number two, it assumes that everybody who's dead was killed by Israel, and they're not. We know that Hamas, 40 percent of all the missiles they shoot do not reach out of Gaza.

They collapse. They're not high-quality missiles. They fall, they're very high-powered warheads, but they're not high-quality missiles, and they break apart sometimes or they stall or they don't fire right, and they fall back on the population. So 40 percent, almost half of all the missiles fired at Israel fall back on the Palestinians. And you can only imagine how many people get killed by that. The third thing is they kill their own people. We have plenty of video evidence, eyewitness accounts now, where they kill their own people in order to prevent them from – the Israelis know where all the Hamas bunkers are. The problem is they've put hospitals on top of them.

They've put huge civilian structures on top of them, schools, kindergartens. So the Israelis are, according to the Geneva Convention, the Israelis are following to the letter. They are giving warning to leave. This is a military target.

You must leave. They've warned 10, 20 times in the last four weeks certain areas are to be evacuated. That's what they're required to do, and they've done it. The Geneva Convention really only talks about evacuating in hours' notice. Israelis have given weeks of notice and repeatedly.

Why aren't these people leaving? Because when they do, they're shot by Hamas. And we have videos, we have evidence of them shooting people when they leave. We have evidence of them, one of the humanitarian convoys, heading south.

They put a car bomb in it. So Palestinians are afraid they'd rather take their chances with the Israeli army coming, and then they will knowingly be killed by Hamas when they evacuate to the south. These are horrible, grisly people who like dead Palestinians too, Hamas, because it's great propaganda. They don't care about their people. In fact, they care about them being dead. And that's what we have to understand.

This is evil. They kill their own people. So these numbers of 10,000, my bet is in the end, a very tiny fraction of that is actually going to be people killed by the Israelis in collateral damage, civilians killed by Israelis.

Oh, that's the other thing. They lumped together all the terrorists with anybody else did. So we know Israel's probably killed already thousands of terrorists. So even if 10,000 is right, a good 5,000, 6,000, 7,000 can be terrorists. So we don't, we cannot take these numbers seriously.

We have to wait till this is over and do a meticulous forensic analysis of who was killed, by whom, and for what reason. But I know the Israelis are doing absolutely everything humanly possible, more than we did in Iraq, by the way, or any other war we fought, to avoid civilian casualties. I think, David, too, that it's important to understand, again, going back to what we talked about in the first half hour, is the mindset of those. The Islamic people living in Gaza believe what we talked about in the first half hour relative to their commitment. That's why they celebrated when jihad, when the act of jihad, and jihad is the sixth pillar of Islam, which no one talks about. Every single Muslim is required to be a participant in jihad, required, okay? You can say, well, I've got a good friend that's a Muslim. I'm not saying that that's not the case. But I've heard story after story, firsthand accounts of individuals, people who lived in places like Lebanon, that when the Islamists rose up and overthrew and took over that country, those nice Muslim families that live next door to the non-Muslims, if they were lucky, came over and told the non-Muslim, at midnight tonight, you must be gone.

Because if you're not gone, I am going to be coming over here to kill your entire family. Yes. Period. Exactly true. Period. And so when we say, oh, the innocent, you know, this and the other, as you said, every one of those that does not agree, now I know a lot of them were blocked by Hamas. I mean, this is what they do.

I get that. But by and large, the ones that stayed are the ones that believe in the cause, if you will. And unfortunately, belief in the cause has a consequence, not just in how Israel is addressing this, but literally in how Israel must address it in order to survive the fact that they are down for the cause. Yeah, you know, since World War II, we've developed this idea in the West, which is another one of these ideas that collapsed on October 7th, that war is antiseptic. It's organizations and governments wage war, not peoples. So therefore, our enemy isn't the people. And in the Cold War, it was true in many ways, because Czechoslovakia, Poland, and so forth, these were hostages to Soviet power. And in the end, we realized even the Russians hated their own government after 75 years. So we kind of split it. And you see it also in Iran. The Iranian people are done with their government.

They hate it. Right. So we have to maintain that in our mind. But that said, in Germany and World War II, in Japan and World War II, these were nations at war with us. These were not just governments. These were nations. Were they manipulated by the government? Yeah, whatever.

Yes. Bottom line is the nations were committed to the war against us, and we had to fight them as a nation. We didn't just hit Japanese government facilities. We went after the nation, industrial capacity, everything.

We understood there's going to be a lot of civilians killed, but that's the cost of deciding to go to war. When we look at Hamas in the West Bank and Gaza, you cannot say that they are a small little minority that's imposing themselves on the Palestinians. Right. They won the elections in Gaza. By a lot.

By a lot. By all accounts, there are some Gazans who don't like that government because it's impoverishing them and so forth. So I don't know what the current support for Gaza is, but it's probably still in the large amounts, 30, 40 percent or more. That's a lot of people supporting Hamas. Can I just add that that's 40 percent supporting Hamas and I believe the numbers like 38 percent support Hamas and another 28 to 32 percent support Fatah. So so so all told, you're talking about at least 70 percent.

And then there's a couple of smaller elements that make up small percentages. Seventy five to 80 percent of Gaza is made up of individuals that believe, irrespective of whether they support Hamas or Fatah or one of the smaller sects. But they all ultimately believe in the concepts we talked about in the first half hour, that Islam is the way and that anyone that does not follow Islam must be exterminated, beginning with the Jews. Absolutely.

And that's a very important point. If you take the polls right now and you add up those, it does 75 to 80 percent. And then that's borne out by if you take a very simple question, do you support what happened on October 7th to the Jews?

Do you believe that was good or do you believe that it should have been even more horrific? Which vast majority, even if they have problems with Hamas, do agree on that point, slaughtering the Jewish Jews, decapitating little babies is in the very least what should have happened in their mind. And we're talking 70, 80 percent majorities. The second thing is this idea in the West Bank, if there are no elections, why? Because Hamas would win 60 to 70 to 80 percent of the vote and the PLO would lose, even though the PLO was just as cruel, they would lose this idea that there's no.

But for us in the West, even for Israelis, this is awfully difficult. It's awfully difficult to know that that there may be even one innocent person that you're killing. So they try to minimize knowing that there's that they're saving the lives of people who there's an example that the Palestinian medical system in Gaza is harvesting the organs of the soldiers and hostages they killed and they're putting it in babies and stuff like that.

And there was a video of one of the mothers whose child got an organ from one of the babies they gutted. And and she said, my child now can grow up to be an adult, to be a martyr, to kill Jews. What do you do with this? I mean, she's an innocent civilian, according to humanitarian law. What do you do with this?

How do you handle this? There's the dilemma Israel faces. And yes, they're following the strictest humanitarian guidelines and prosecuting the war, but they can't stop. They can't let them get away with this. So there's going to be a culmination and a completion of this war.

And it will cost people their lives. Well, let me let me just play this is this is a Jewish mother who is essentially making that exact point. Listen to what she says. The women that I've seen on on from Gaza are celebrating their son's success by killing and raping women. When they do that, do you think I have someone to talk to?

I am a mother. I will never celebrate something like this. Who the hell do they think they are? Their culture has to change.

They have to shift. Hamas has to go and they have to decide. Are they for good or are they for evil?

Are they for peace or are they for war? They need to make a decision. It's not on us anymore. I mean, yeah, it breaks my heart, man. It really, truly breaks my heart because I understand, you know, I mean, I think back to the five missionaries that that went down to Ecuador and the son asked Steve Sain ask his dad, Nate, you know, if they come at you on the beach, are you you know, what are you going to do? And he said, I know where I'm going.

I'm prepared to die. And I get that. That's a missionary. Folks, understand that is a missionary. We're not talking about that here. We're not talking about missionaries.

We're not talking about that's just not what's happening. We're talking about a group of individuals that that that want to wipe Israel and every Jew off the face of the earth. And and that's not their only quest. That's not their only quest, period. And there and and and that's why I think that, you know, again, Americans need to wake up and realize what we are watching here, these marches, these individuals, these are the kinds of marches where they march down streets and then somebody in the crowd is strapped with a vest and they blow up your downtown. Or blow up the Boston Marathon. You know, absolutely, it's it's that they do this.

This is this is the or mow you down in Barcelona with a truck or whatever. This is, you know, by the way, one last thing they say, well, why can you really blame the Palestinians for feeling this way? Because they're occupied. First of all, Gaza was not occupied. Israel gave it up. Not one Israeli soldier. Every last grain of sand was given up and they turned it into a military base to kill Jews.

Every territory. And that's that's the history. The history didn't start on October 7th. The history didn't start a year ago or in 1948. It started from the very beginning.

The Jews have always said, OK, you know what? We need our state. We will build it on this little territory. We'll accept partition. You guys can have all the rest.

We need this little area where we live. Just leave us alone. Dozens of times the Jews have said, yes, we accept that and dozens of times consistently never without without exception. The Arab side has said, no, you can't even have your little corner. We will kill you. And whether it's 48 partition, whether it's the 20s, 30s, 40s, I can go through dozens of offers and U.N. resolutions that partitioned the land and the Jews accepted it.

The Palestinians and the Arabs rejected it and then attacked the Jews to wipe out that part of the partition. All right. Let me make it. We got just a couple of just a very few minutes left.

Gosh. So two questions, well, we really talked about this on Friday, I think, but two questions remain for me. And if we can get a two minute answers on each one, the first one is, how do you respond to the idea that somehow Israel manufactured this to allow this to happen?

And secondly, on the far end of this, how severe is this assault? We're talking about a five front war, which is something you and I projected two months ago in a conversation we had when we pulled out the map and looked at it. How close are we to that? So would Israel have allowed this to happen?

And secondly, how close are we to the five front war? There's no way they could have allowed it to happen intentionally, because Israel, like it's a very open society. So and there's a great deal of criticism and fissures within the Israeli government. So if you try to have a conspiracy that kills soldiers and remember, Israel has universal conscription, so you are killing your own kids, literally killing your own kids. For example, Prime Minister Netanyahu, his son currently is serving in a combat unit in the military. The prime minister himself, there's no way that you can conduct such a conspiracy that willfully kills lots of Israeli soldiers without somebody in the Israeli government who opposes you exposing it. So there's really no way you can have a hidden conspiracy that way inside the Israeli government.

Own kids they're talking about here. The other thing is we are beginning, I mean, the commission of inquiries have not started, but we are beginning to piece together what happened. And this is a classic case of arrogance and complacence. The same thing, I hate to say it, that infects our defense establishment in America right now.

It could have happened to us if we had had a huge population that is bubbling inside us. But you see it on the southern border. We know what's going on, but there's a complacence. Well, OK, so terrorists are crossing the southern border, et cetera.

Drug lords are crossing the southern border. But you know what? We're a country of 370 million. It's a drop in the bucket.

We can handle this. It's a fantasy to think, it's a fantasy of these crazy conservatives to think that that's a real threat to our nation. Same mentality. Same mentality affected Israel before. OK. And then to the issue very quickly of the five front war, where where where does that sit right now? I think we're easing in it.

We're largely in it already. What we have right now is Gaza's fully at war, obviously. Lebanon is pretty much fully at war, it's not a full escalation yet. But like as we're speaking, three waves of missiles crossed from Lebanon into Israel. There's currently threats of drone attacks.

That's every day. Lots of violence. OK. Syria is already hot as well. So that's three fronts. Yemen is already shooting every day in two or three volleys. They're long range, 2000 kilometer missiles onto Israel and drones.

They're being all intercepted. Algeria has already declared war and it hasn't acted on it yet. So we're already talking four or five fronts. The big one is obviously I think Iran is waging that war by attacking Americans. As we spoke, another American air base was or base was hit by Iranian militias in Iraq. So we're already in a five front war. It can get more more escalated. Gaza's full tilt. Lebanon is headed toward full tilt. So will Syria and Yemen is doing what it can. So we're in it already, but pretty much. All right.

I know you'll be back. We're going to be obviously we're you know, this is and I think, you know, one of the pieces of this is is there's you know, this is there's a slow walk to a degree and we're going to talk with my next guest a little bit about that. In part because the Biden administration has consistently asked Israel to slow down its assault as they try to prepare to, I guess, protect or defend American forces in the region, which is a good thing. I agree with that.

But but unfortunately, they are slow walking doing that. I mean, rather than just flipping the switch and turning that on, they're slow walking their their their protection of our own troops, which is in turn a domino effect, which I think is is potentially detrimental to Israel. And by four or five weeks in, we should have made a decision either to massively reinforce our troops or withdraw them. By now, that decision and that should have been done.

There's no point anymore about trickling little bits more of support to our troops under attack, either reinforce them or get them out. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

And and let and let's not pull another Afghanistan. Correct. Yep. No question.

All right. David, thank you so much. I greatly appreciate you being with me today, Dr. David Wormser. You know, there's so much here to understand historically and ideology and the ideology and it's really important to comprehend the ideology in order to understand the strategy of the enemy that we are fighting and and make no mistake, all of our culture, whether you're a Jew or a Christian, they're coming after all of us. And and I don't say that to put fear in our hearts, but that we need to be prepared.

My people perish, Hosea prophesied, for a lack of knowledge. Do not be ignorant as to the wiles of the enemy, but put on your full armor and be prepared. Dr. Wormser, thanks for being here today. I greatly appreciate it. Thank you. You too. All right. We're going to take our break. Coming up, Jared Knott talks with us about what happens when you don't make those kinds of preparations. You can get more at the website chosengenerationradio.com. That's chosengenerationradio.com and follow us each and every day on TECN TV, TECN TV, which is broadcast at chosengenerationradio.com.