CGR WEDNESDAY 080223 David Shestokas Newest Trump Indictment Opens Huge Election Door

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And we'll talk about that coming up with Melanie next hour. But joining me right now, and I know there are a lot of folks that are watching right this second and will be watching the recording of this and listening to this, because this is this is critical legal theory. And it speaks to this most recent indictment of President Donald Trump.

And there is a strategy that could be used here, that literally could completely and totally unravel everything that the left has been lying to us about going back to the 2020 elections. And with me as a gentleman that we've we've have on the program regularly. He is here each and every Wednesday. And and we had him on talking about this during that time, because he was testifying with Rudy Giuliani in Pennsylvania, in the hearings.

He has been fighting this fight regarding election integrity long before 2020 elections, by the way. And I want to welcome to the program, my good friend David just took us our constitutional originalist attorney, David, welcome. Good to have you. Good morning, Greg.

Thank you so much. Sometimes we banter but this at the moment, this is an extraordinarily serious moment in in time, and not necessarily amenable to opening with some banter and some light heartedness because this is this is as President Trump likes to say, it's not him that they're after it's us. And this is this is really, really significant in what happened yesterday with this. Jack Smith has tried to criminalize so and he's tried to criminalize. So let's start with you. I know you have read over this indictment, you've gone through it. Share with us because, you know, most folks haven't had the time to sit down and really read it to understand what it is that they are now accusing President Trump of. So give us give us your summary of the of the charges that have been levied against him.

And then we'll talk about, you know, the the other theory that you and I discussed last night. Sure, there's been four there's four charges in this indictment. Basically, essentially, they're saying that he tried to obstruct that tried to defraud the United States of America, which is, you know, just absurd on its face. I have no idea how you try to defraud the United States of America through political activity. Then there's conspiracy to defraud, then obstruction of a obstruction of a political or of an official proceeding and then conspiracy to to do the same.

But the underlying the underlying claim in all of this is that President Trump knew that the election was fair and square, that he had fair and square lost and then continued to lie about it in public to achieve these other end to achieve these ends that they say are criminal. And this is this is where it gets into gets to be problematic. And problematic for for whom in your estimation. And let's folks know for those that you know, are not familiar. You were a prosecutor as well at one time, correct?

Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, no, I was I was a state prosecutor here in Illinois. I had more than 10,000 criminal cases as a prosecutor. So no, I'm well on capable of reading indictments and understanding what in terms of what an indictment is, is an indictment is supposed to theoretically lay out a crime, lay out the elements of the crime, lay out the mental state of the individual that is accused and then the facts in which they in which they violated the in which they violated the law and did so with a particular type of intention. And there is nothing laid out in this indictment that goes through what's necessary to prosecute and convict somebody of a crime.

Nothing, nothing, nothing is there. I would never have written an indictment. I would never have had the nerve to bring such such a thing before that before a judge. I would have been embarrassed to have brought this before a judge. And yet it was brought before a judge.

Of course, this juncture was only brought as a matter of procedure. Once a grand jury has voted, the grand jury is the ones that made a finding a probable cause. It's not the judge. So it's at this juncture the decision was done by the grand jury to bring these charges and not the judge. Presentation to the judge is just simply a formality at this juncture.

And so that's that's not part and parcel. So apparently the whole old saw that says a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich is very well, very well demonstrated in this circumstance. It's misuse of how grand juries are supposed to be. Grand juries are supposed to be actually a citizen's bulwark against the government bringing frivolous charges.

That's not how that's not how they've come to operate in the United States. They've come to operate more as rubber stamps for what prosecutors want to have happen, which is a shame because grand juries were intended to keep prosecutors from doing what Jack Smith did. Isn't that because basically the the grand jury is is being presented only with the evidence that the prosecutor I mean, the prosecutor is essentially steering the case that the grand jury is seeing based on what on the evidence that they're presenting, rather than then as you suggest that that they, you know, the grand jury be allowed to see all of the evidence and and then make a a justifiable decision. That's that's correct grand jury see what the prosecutor wants them to see, although and they don't necessarily always inform them of what they can do. Grand jurors are allowed to ask as the prosecutors questions. Grand jurors are allowed to inquire of the prosecutor if there is other evidence. And grand jurors have a lot of authority actually under the law. But very frequently the prosecutors don't let the grand jurors know all the authority they actually have. Because the grand jury is actually supposed to be the decision maker and they're supposed to be the fact finder and they have the authority to hold the prosecutor's feet to the fire.

But it doesn't work that way. You know, just because they have the authority doesn't mean they use it. And so this is a this is one of the sad parts of what's become of, if we might say a post constitutional society, because they don't necessarily follow the law.

And certainly they don't follow the intention of the law. So in this instance, we now have you've explained to us what is required and and and really what is missing out of this indictment. What's in the indictment? What are they saying about President Donald john trump in in in these criminal charges? They're saying that he deprived that he had he conspired to deprive people of their constitutional right to vote.

How, how, how he supposedly did that, I have no idea. I don't believe that President Trump ever went out in the store, stood in front of a polling place and tried to see to it that people didn't show up, or people couldn't get in. I mean, even even if you believe that, that because my my understanding is, is that this really has to do with actions that he took post election. In other words, that that he incited, you know, the the insurrection, which of course, if you're if when when Ray Epps shows up to testify, now it's just a protest.

But when Ray Epps is taken out of the equation, then it's now it's an insurrection again. But but that he tried to interfere with people's right to vote. And in fact, the voting was all done, it was done, the election was over.

So so it's so exact. I mean, even even if you consider, you know, so you look at the speech that he made the night of the election, and he was saying, hey, looks like we've won this thing. We've got this thing in the bag. And and by by all appearances, by midnight, all across the country, you know, the state's in question here, he was leading by large numbers. And then suddenly, at three o'clock in the morning, now he's not anymore, which was that's part of the reason why we all are saying wait, something, something bizarre happened here. Well, in terms of in terms of even conspiring people's people, they're right that the voter disenfranchising anybody, the voting was done, right? The voting was done. So okay, so so now I can do that under that theory, I have no idea. So now, so now what? So but now the other piece to this is, is the is that they have said that they they think that he knew that he had lost and yet he continued to beat the drum, that the election had was was irregular, and that there was fraud committed, and that the election was stolen.

Where is that? And how is that presented as a as a as a criminal charge? Yeah, well, there's supposed to be within a criminal charge, there's supposed to be what they call the mens rea, that is the knowledge of guilt, okay? You have a you can proceed on something with what they call a guilty mind. And they're trying to present that all the activities that they're saying were criminal of President Trump were done with the guilty mind that is because he knew that he had lost and that everything else that he was doing was to overturn a legitimate and fair election. They're trying to say that that was part of the guilty mind. And they're presenting that as evidence of that, that some people told them that they believed he lost. Then they're saying that other people told them that he won.

And so they have to subjectively prove that Donald Trump personally believed not just that a general person, not just not just that any particular person off the street believed the outcome of the election was that he lost, but that Donald Trump specifically believed and this is utterly impossible to prove. And I want to we're going to take our quick our first quick break here. But folks, don't go anywhere. Because this next piece is the piece where Jack Smith may well have stepped on the mind that it that blows him and and and everything they have done for virtually the last three and a half years, completely and totally out of the water. They may well have created, you know, there's an old saying, and and as someone who was in business management for over 20 years, we used to talk about this, give them just enough rope to hang themselves. Well, this is the rope. They've been given it.

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Jack Smith may well have just stepped on the mind that blows all of this up. And David, why don't we start with, as you suggested in the break, a little bit of the history of what you witnessed in Pennsylvania, in the cage. Who were you there? What were you doing there? What was your job there? And what was the activity that happened there that led you to go and testify with Rudy Giuliani in front of the Pennsylvania state legislature?

Yeah, I was with a group of attorneys in primarily in Allegheny County, which is Pittsburgh. And they probably were processing votes in about probably a 45,000 square foot warehouse. And in that 45,000 square foot warehouse, they put together a little corral that was probably, I don't know, 15 feet by 25 feet or so. And the closest person processing votes was probably 25, 30 feet away from us.

That's the closest person. But most of the people were as many as two or 300 feet, some of them a football field, because we're in a 45,000 square foot warehouse. But the key to that problem was that they were actually literally bringing in the votes to be processed into the facility where they allowed us to be. They were, these envelopes, these mail-in belts, they were already open when they showed up in the room.

And there was already 300,000 of them that came into the room already open. Nobody knows what was in those envelopes. Nobody knows what came in.

So we don't even know. And so ultimately, we don't know what they were processing. There was a group of us and we were monitoring all the time. And they wouldn't let you near the tables or near any of the evidence. You were how far away?

25, 30 feet away at least? To the closest person that was doing processing. But as I say, they were spread out throughout the room. We didn't know which precincts were going where. We didn't.

We had no knowledge of what was going on. And you're in a little cage in a 40,000 square foot building. Yes.

Yeah, that's exactly right. And but now, but the law says that you're supposed to be able to be out in that 40,000 square foot area because you're supposed to be making sure that the election is done properly and be eyes and ears even for super. I mean, you're there to help.

You're there to help so that if something is going wrong, you can get a supervisor and say, hey, I think I see something that's that's you know, I think this person's having an issue. Yeah, there were there were about 300,000 ballots that came through that facility. And nobody knows what was in the envelopes.

Nobody knows the origin of the envelopes. Nobody knows the providence of what happened there. There's there's actually more to that experience and that has to do with issues of votes that were being sent in from abandoned buildings that we know of, that we personally know that we had whistleblowers that were involved in. And I was scheduled to testify in a case involving 600,000 votes across Pennsylvania in Williamsport, Pennsylvania. I was in court with Mayor Giuliani and the rest of the legal team on a Tuesday. And so there was an argument on that Tuesday. And at the end of the argument that day, a judge on his own canceled.

I was there on a Tuesday. I was supposed to testify on Thursday. And the judge on his own canceled the evidentiary hearing, canceled the hearing where he was supposed to hear from me and many, many other witnesses about things that went awry in Pennsylvania, not just in Pittsburgh, but Philadelphia and elsewhere. Now we should take we should know because one of the one of the things that everybody has been saying since 2020 is, well, the judges threw out all the cases, all the cases that came the judges threw out. Now, you've just testified that that you were set to give testimony.

You were set to to share what you had seen and what had happened. And the judge was broken in Pittsburgh. And and and the judge just basically said that shut up. Yeah, we're not we're not going to we're not going to we're not going to hear this with without explanation.

Right. And he did that on Tuesday. He canceled the hearing on Tuesday that was scheduled for Thursday and on Friday, dismissed the case without ever hearing one shred of evidence. And he dismissed it based on you don't have standing. What did he even give it?

I mean, what's how do they do that? He was in a bad mood. The the legal theory behind his dismissal I've yet to understand. You know, and this has repeated itself across the country in court after court, where where the judge says, you know, in many of these instances, either fantastical or we can't believe it's already it's always been kind of a a Goldilocks situation, either when you say that there's 600,000 votes, they go, well, this is some silly conspiracy theory, and we're not going to hear it.

Because it's so big, it's impossible. Or there's the even though there might be a problem, it's not enough to change the outcome of the election. So we're not going to hear but those are the two theories of the judges, but they don't even hear the evidence as to how it did impact the there's no evidence that's ever presented other than the judge. Right. And said, you know, I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. So help me God, this is what happened in Pittsburgh. This is how they violated the law. This is why the outcome is unknowable. Well, which is part of what you're fighting right now in Illinois, the case that you're fighting right now, you have identified a very clear statistical anomaly, if you want to call it that, that a statistical impossibility, and and the numbers don't lie.

And the statisticians can't lie about the numbers that they have discovered, based on the evidence. All right, we're going to take another very quick break when we come back. So we've set the history. Now, this is this is the landmine that that that that Mr. Smith who went to Washington has has stepped on. Okay, this is the land.

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I am Patriot Mobile. And welcome back to Chosen Generation Radio where no topic is off limits and everything filtered through biblical glasses. And we will get a brief comment from David. I know a lot of folks are wondering, especially since he's from Illinois, his thoughts with regards to HB 3751 that JB Pritzker just signed this past week.

So we'll get his thoughts on that as well. But right now, we are focused, we are laser focused on this issue of this most recent indictment of President Donald John Trump by Jack Smith, suggesting that he knew that the election was legitimate and that he had lost. And yet he continued because because of some derangement to continue to tell people that oh, no, it was it was stolen. You and I folks know that the election was stolen. You and I folks know that that that that there is mounds of evidence and I have had guests from multiple states and eyewitnesses on this program for the last three years, outlining how the election was stolen.

And nobody's listening. Now, David, because of this type of case, as you explained this to me last night, I don't want folks to think that that pastor figured this out because I didn't. David and I spoke last night.

He called me last night. He said, Listen, I we this is this is the deal. And we need to let people know we need to talk about this on your show tomorrow. And and so I have have shared this everywhere I know to share it so that people can get this this is breaking nobody else's is even discussing this theory.

It's not it's and it's really not a theory. It's a fact this is this is the how criminal defense works. So what is it about what he has done that opens the door for because we just talked right before the break that the judge said, Nope, I'm not gonna I don't want to hear this. 600,000 votes. Nope, not gonna hear that because I don't think but you can't stop 1000 votes is crazy. What what the judge says, and that's been that that's been the theories that judges have used across the country.

Either it's so big that it's impossible, or it's too small to have made a difference. And so that's how the judges have been throwing these cases out. And judges across the country on those 60 or 70 cases that people say that the president lost have been dismissing the cases without hearing any evidence. So they're bending over backwards that keep evidence out of a courtroom that about election criminality is what I'm going to call it now.

Okay, you know, and so now because this is a criminal case, the defendant has the right to fully defend themselves. And what's at issue is whether or not he believed that he had seen enough evidence to believe that the election was stolen. So he has a right to do what? Jack Smith is just now given Donald Trump and his team something that they have not had in any of these other settings discussing this subpoena power. They've given Trump the ability to bring in witnesses to essentially litigate and contest the validity of the election. And he doesn't even have to prove whether the election was stolen or not. The only thing in terms of a defense he has to put reasonable doubt upon the subject of whether or not he believed that the election was stolen.

But the killed evidence for almost a year. He could have Mike Lindell come. He can have Joe von Poetzer come and talk about the whole situation in Arizona. He can have Giuliani come. Although I understand Giuliani may be one of the unindicted co conspirators. Well, but he could have Greg Stenstrom I don't know if you know who Greg I think I introduced you to Greg but he could have Greg Stenstrom who's the forensic guy who's still trying to his case is still slowly progressing through the Pennsylvania court system.

He could have Greg come and talk about what they have clearly uncovered that was election fraud. Every they've tried to keep every one of these people out of a courtroom to and actually provide testimony under oath about the about what went wrong in 2020. So part of the defense for Donald Trump Donald Trump would have the ability and has the ability to bring each and every one of these kinds of claims before the court before the jury to build the record they could put on a defense for a year. Literally I have in my I have in my computer 200 affidavits of observations of people in both Michigan and Pennsylvania. Those are all potential defense witnesses for for President Trump. Now beyond the 60 or 70 lawyers that we have worked in in the Pittsburgh area, each and every one of those folks who gave in for who provided information that went to went through the regular team that found his way to Peter Navarro who put together his report, right. So what they what Jack Smith has done is given Donald Trump and his team subpoena power and the ability to bring in as his defense, all the information he doesn't. And interestingly enough, the the indictment itself indicates that it admits that there might be said there might have been some fraud but that it was not outcome determinative.

Who's there? Who's to say that that's never been litigated in a court either? Now, there are there are seven states as I understand that as we when we were speaking last night, that he can draw evidence from what are those seven states? Well, you've got you've got Michigan, you've got Pennsylvania, you've got Georgia, you've got Arizona, you have Nevada. Those are those are those five that come to mind off the top of my head. That were there was, you know, presentations, presentations, like one of which I was where I testified before the Pennsylvania Senate. And we explained to the Pennsylvania legislatures what went wrong in Pennsylvania. So there was that those are the five off the top of my head. I'm trying to remember we rattled them off last night.

But theoretically, he could bring somebody from all those states to indicate that he had information on those states and information on those states would would change the outcome of the Electoral College. Now, now the kill shot on this, in my mind, right, is that he go all the way out with the evidence. In other words, don't don't just don't just skim it. Don't don't just touch the surface. Don't just don't don't do just enough. Body slam this thing. Don't don't do just enough to say, Well, now now you have created reasonable doubt. Don't stop there. No, and that's that's the way that's the way to do that to get it all in front. Right?

Red rest rest. You will have to cover it because the trial will be ongoing. Oh, well, there. I mean, I know they keep trying to I mean, the whole reason that they did this right was because of the Devon Archer testimony that just happened. I mean, that's the whole reason Jack Smith jumped a shark on this to begin with, in my estimation. I mean, I think most people believe that you know that they did it. So that having been the case, they think this is the key to this situation, Greg, is that you can't the man's entitled to a defense and he's entitled to put on whatever defense he wants for all practical purposes, and which case.

And Smith is made part and parcel. One of the elements is Trump's subjective knowledge. What would Trump actually believed? And Trump is in a has the right then to put on information that shows no that he did not actually believe that and that he had reason to believe otherwise. And here's why he had reason to believe otherwise. He doesn't they don't even have to be right to have the ability to present this right.

It doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be right to have the ability to present this. He doesn't have to prove that there was election fraud. He has to prove that there was information that would lead him to believe that he won the election. And then all he has and all he has to do is is just show all show the evidence that that that that he saw available, that that led him to believe what he believed.

That's all he's doing. He's not saying you have to believe the evidence. He's just saying here, but the key here, folks is, is that he's now able to present the evidence. That's that's what's so significant about this is, is that in each even if it was just in these five states, he can present evidence for all five states of the election fraud that was committed that he has knowledge of Wisconsin and Michigan. Thank you.

The other two, Wisconsin and Michigan was the other two that I did not that I did not mention that. So, yeah, no, he said he would be in the building to have the ability to call up Matt DiPerno, the the guy from the prosecutor, the matters against Antrim County and the and the situation regarding the machines in Antrim County. Yeah. The litigation that went on in there in Pennsylvania, like I said, Pulitzer did some amazing work out in Arizona in terms of the election forensics and the analysis of the ballots and the problems with with that. Right. Which has to be outcome determinative, none of which has to be proven that it would actually have overturned the election.

All it has to prove is that they called into question enough electoral votes for Mr. Trump to believe that he had actually won. All right. Now, now the other the other piece that's that's kind of an issue here is is the timing of when this case gets heard. And so now we have federal cases versus state cases as if I'm understanding this correctly. For example, the Alvin Bragg case, that's a state case.

Right. Where whereas, for example, the the the the the case of the documents down in Florida, that's a federal case. That's a federal case. So what takes precedent that there's belief that there's likely to be some new cases coming out of Georgia, right?

Yeah, we're supposed to get it. But that, again, is another state case. Right. So it's and when you say the timing for Jack Smith, it seems like Georgia apparently is mentioned in the indictment about 30 or 40 times. And so it looks like Jack Smith wanted upstaged Fannie Willis, too.

All right. So so the question. So so the question that I have then is and this is one of the things you brought up last night, David, is the timing of when, you know, what case gets heard first? Because obviously, President Trump, well, I mean, they could make him do this, I suppose, split his team up and and and start all these trials at the same time. I mean, they could do that. Usually they wouldn't do that, I assume.

But it's fairly atypical. We talked last night about how they did Harvey Weinstein's different rape cases and sexual abuse cases sequentially in different jurisdictions to allow for the defendant to properly put together his defense. And that's another thing about if by making Donald Trump a criminal defendant, then he he has attached to him all the rights that come with defending himself in court.

And it will be very difficult for them to shut things down. But you talk about sequentially. I don't these that usually typically does require coordination between courts and courts typically work those things out. Does does does it does it matter state versus federal? Does one take precedent over the other in those instances?

Or is it just predicated? I mean, how does how does that kind of play out? It typically plays out relative to the evidence when the and frequently really actually turns out to be it can be driven by the defense team, by the defense team saying that we're ready on this case, we're not ready on this case, we're ready on this one, we won't be and and and consequently, also, you also want to have the people be able to make sure that their defenses are consistent with each other as the cases proceed. Okay. One thing in one court and say a different thing in another court. Sure.

And which is why you want them to be sequentially. So so in my estimation, it would be wonderful if this were the first one because and and you know what, in terms of developing the evidence for the defense, it's all there. It's all in the Nevada report has been put together, right? If somebody wants to see all the other things, you can go to the Heritage Foundation and see all the all the issues of the big collection of election fraud that's there.

Mike Lindell has put Mike Lindell on for a month. Yep. Yeah, you know, with all the other people and just that they watch this. And so, you know, this is this is an incredible situation. And the judge, for all practical purposes, will be powerless to stop it. Because it's a criminal defense, because it's okay.

And and and and restate that again, because I think that's a really important point, because I think that, you know, I know, you heard me last night. I mean, that was one of my my, the first things I said to you was I said, but but but what about the judge blocking the ability to present the evidence? And your response to me was this is a criminal defendant, and the criminal defendant has the ability to put on whatever defense they want for all practical purposes. Sometimes the judge might be in a situation to limit something saying that it's cumulative, that it is redundant, but you have seven states, each of which is critical in changing and possibly changing the outcome of the Electoral College. In which case, it would seem to me that they would have the ability to put on something from every state. Right.

Because that accumulation is what makes you believe that you did not lose the election. And so if it would be very and that would not be cumulative. Agreed. No, I felt right. It's not there's not a redundancy, even though maybe that some of the tactics were the same. The fact of the matter is, is that they are different states.

Here's here's a question for you relative to Mr. Smith who went to Washington in this particular situation. Okay, I'm sorry. And I like James Stewart. Good, good guy. It's a wonderful life.

One of my most favorite movies of all of all time. So in this particular case, Jack has has has brought this information forward. Okay. And and I mean, what would his what do you see his response? You're the you're him. I know you wouldn't do what he did. But if if if you were the prosecutor on this now, and you've opened up this can of worms, what does he do? I mean, what do you think his thinking is in in in what he's done?

How does he How does he move forward on what he was hired to do? And that's besmirch Donald Trump. You know, because, you know, Laura Ingram put it well in terms of that they should put on Biden 2024 hanging over the Department of Justice entrance.

And Smith, Smith clearly doesn't care. There was a case that he presented against the governor of Maryland, he got a conviction, he was overturned by the Supreme Court, eight to nothing, unanimously overturned, where he was overreaching in terms of saying that the criminal law by making essentially, legal activity criminal, it's, it's utterly legal to contest an election. It's utterly legal to have people try and convince people they have the rightness of your cause.

It's completely legal to add. I was talking about this with someone or someone else yesterday, when it comes to one of the things that they have in here apparently has got something to do with fake electors. It's a tradition in the country. We've always since them, except since George Washington after George Washington, there's always been some alternative electors. Well, this has been the jurisdiction of Congress to decide that that this this could potentially involve, you know, that that invokes right that case where in Michigan, who's the governor and Mr. Whitmer, right? Yeah, so the so the governor Whitmer and her and her legal team have filed charges criminal charges against 20 Republicans for that for being all alternate electors, electors ran for sending a document to the Congress and said, were the rightful electors for and we believe in we're voting for Donald Trump. It's always been according to the Constitution, the jurisdiction of the United States Congress to discuss or determine what are the appropriate electors. It's always been and it's it's it's happened ever since except for George. Except for George, there's always been some alternative electors.

This is Oh, no, no, count me, tell me. Right. And, and the Congress Council, who the Congress determines to be that right, who they believe to be the state of Michigan, it's not up to the people in the District of Columbia. It's not up to the people in Georgia to make that determination.

It's up to the United States Congress. So what is it called then in a case like that, where you have a prosecutor? This is an abuse of power, right and abuse of office. I mean, that that in and of itself is criminal, is it not? It certainly is certainly is potentially criminal, you know. And, you know, there's a variety of different kind of remedies for that. But most of those remedies are not criminal.

Most of those remedies are civil, that allows the individuals who have been harmed to sue the sue the government through the prosecutor, but first they've got it. Yeah, but first, they've got to defend themselves against these frivolous charges. Right. Right. However, their defense now becomes potentially linked with the defense of President Donald Trump in the sense that Michigan is one of the states at question, relative to whether or not there were in fact irregularities and fraud committed in Michigan, which we believe there was.

Yeah, no, well, they've certainly proved it in one at least one county for sure. It was right. Right. And that was one of the ones where one of the one of the people said that they would not certify and they were removed. Right. Isn't that what happened? They ended up ultimately being removed or something along that line or and they were voting for three and some reason or other they the one individual flipped. Well, I think they I think they got doxxed and there and there and they and they got threatened at their house and somebody showed up at their house with weapons. Yeah, that was that was in Michigan. Yeah.

And it's just so there's the laundry list is incredible. But but Jack Smith is now given Donald Trump's team the opportunity to bring all of this into a courtroom and presented with sworn testimony under oath that this is the this is the kind of information that was in front of President Trump when he was indicating that he believed that he had won the election. And there is any I would, you know, we'll just qualify the judge technically should be powerless to stop that. That doesn't mean that the judge won't try. And if the judge tries, then the then any jury verdict will be overturned.

So it's crazy. Smith. Smith is now given the created the vehicle to bring all the evidence into court that they've been trying for two and a half years to keep out of court.

Now, I'm just I'm just gonna throw this out there and I and and I actually Don Janz and I talked about this long time ago. And that is that, you know, originally it was the Democrats that were saying and had said they said it in 2000. They said it in 2016. They claimed over and over and in any and Stacey Abram in in Georgia, anytime they lost, they said that the elections were illegitimate. And they have done everything they can to try to tear down the institution of free and fair elections here in the United States of America. And and Al Sharpton's National Action Now network set up in 50 cities across the country, major cities, with an effort that if they didn't get the results they wanted, they were going to riot. We're we're we're we're we're literally, I believe, tottering on the brink of of some very, very unfortunate and serious consequences because of all of this.

Well, that's a we touched on that briefly yesterday last night while we were talking. Now, the fact is, is if in fact, but this is this is almost the laptop suppression on steroids, where they've tried to keep this information from the people write about things that are going on. And hopefully, the response should should this information now see the light of day in a circumstance where it cannot be ignored, the response for the people will be to be involved in making sure their election process is proper and clean rather than trusting, trusting that the government is in fact, running elections carefully. elections obviously are too important to let the government be in charge. The people should be in charge here, here, here, here. All right, folks, we're going to take our break our number two coming up Melanie Colette and I are going to talk about this whole hate issue and how this drives that.

We'll be back right after this break. At the end of the day, when I stand before my God, I do not want him to ask me what did you do with the world that I sent my son to die for and redeem? How did you fight the good fight to share the good news and keep evil in check?

How did you shine your light and be a beacon of truth in the darkness? Did you shrink back in fear when they demanded you change my message? Did you call evil good and good evil? Did you forsake my love for that of another, lying with the adulterer and setting up a new idol in your life? Have you defiled yourself through compromise and tolerance of that which I call an abomination? Have you innocent blood on your hands for the children murdered on your watch and the young ones perverted in their way by evil men seeking their own comfort and reviling me?

No. At the end of the day, I want him to simply say the evidence is in, well done thou good and faithful servant. I love my God and I love his creation and I will go to my grave telling the world that evil is evil and only God is good and Jesus came to save the world. That no matter the evil in the world, I will never give up and in spite of the hate, I will love in truth. God bless you all and may love remove the veil so you all might enter into his rest.