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Anything goes. You are teaching children adult child sex, you're teaching transgender issues, and children are moldable and influenced by that. They said, okay, now we need you and your team to be able to explain what homosexuality is to a four-year-old student. To introduce this kind of material at that age, frankly, it's child abuse. We're going to teach our children that it's okay for any two children of any age of any sex to have sexual intercourse with each other as long as two components are present. One's using a condom and they both give consent.

Did I hear that correctly? It's not a neutral venue. There's no such thing. The schools are doing your job. They are discipling your children, but they're not discipling them in the faith of Jesus Christ. It's only the exceptional child that even survives that system. Most do not survive.

Most have not survived. They believe that children are sexual from birth and that they deserve and have the right to be sexually active and to seek sexual pleasure. And if anyone is stopping them from that, then you are judging and oppressing them. Even kindergarten now, they're wanting to teach them more and more perverse information and acts and put that into the children's minds. And once that poison is in the child's mind, it doesn't leave. They'll always remember what they learned. And it's by design, it's orchestrated.

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It's possible. So yeah, anyway, I am very pleased to welcome my next guest. She is a former educator and a current educator in her ministry and and how she assists both youth and parents in navigating what's happening in our culture today. I want to welcome Shannon Perry to the program. Shannon, welcome. Good to have you. Thank you so much, Pastor Greg. It's great to be with you. I'm really pleased that you're here. I'm just really grateful.

I was I was looking at your side. I you know, I in our in our first hour, Rick Manning and I talked quite a bit about what's been going on and what they're doing with their kids. And I played a number of clips of parents talking and and being silenced, by the way, you know, going before school boards and and and school board members saying, we don't want to hear about how, you know, the sex education that your 12 year old daughter told you she was put through.

But we don't want to hear from you the parent about that, because, well, it just doesn't fit the narrative. You know, and and over and over and over again. And I don't know if you've seen Sounds of Freedom. I have not seen it yet. I have heard all about it. I feel like I've seen it. And I actually had a chance to have dinner with some people the other night who know the man behind the movie. So I heard a lot more about it then. I'm sure I'm sure. Well, another actor in Hollywood that has been out there going after this is Ashton Kutcher.

Yes. And and, you know, I appreciate Jim and all that he's doing and and and everything that they're doing. But you know, I every single day, Ashton is also on the front line, and they are locating these perps online. And they are are helping DHS and the FBI, who have come to him and said, here's the video of what they're doing to the child, but we can't find them.

Maybe you can. And you know, anyway, it's it's it's atrocious. So I guess let's kind of jump into the let's jump into the bathwater, the hot water here and and talk about, you know, how do we get how do we educate and help parents to navigate this situation? And then how do we help youth that are being just bombarded with all of these messages from every corner?

That's a great question, Pastor Greg. And as you know, I do an event around the country called in her shoes, and it's a mother daughter event. And one of the things that we always talk about to educate parents, I think some of us are still maybe living a little in the dark ages, where we think that somehow these people are doing more not online, but they're doing more in person and everything almost, almost 90% of this is happening online. So the first thing we've got to do is to educate parents on what these people are looking for as well as our kids. And so I always remind our kids, they're profiling, of course. And so the things that they're looking for are statements like I'm so mad at my mom, or I'm so mad at my dad, or I wish I didn't live here anymore. They are searching and they actively have people searching for kids who are writing those simple messages. And they're jumping on that and quickly becoming people that they can pose as being different people, they can certainly, they're certainly not usually the person behind the screen.

They're very different. And so what these guys are, ladies, by the way, are doing, there are just as many women involved in all of this who are being are being used to lure these girls because for some reason, we think that's a little more innocent. But there are certainly ladies involved in this. And so what we've done is we've trained our moms to absolutely get into their business. And I know from talking to our kids, one of the things our kids feel like and a lot of moms and dads have bought into this lie is that well, I don't I've got to be careful about this, this boundary of how much I get into their business, especially online. And I always remind the parents, it is your business, it is your business as much as it is to keep them safe when they're in person as online, because that's where these people are doing all of this. And they have been well trained and they have been well educated to look for simple phrases like that simple phrases that say, I don't want to live anymore. I wish I had this or I wish I had this purse, for example, for the girls, and they come along and say, Hey, you know, they befriend them. They pose as someone they're not they befriend them before you know it. They're buying them things, they're meeting up with them, and then we never see them again. And so to educate our parents is to tell them first of all, you have full permission to get into your kids business, you need to get into their business. And it's not about replying to their friends. It's about knowing what filters to use.

It's about knowing what blocks to use. There's plenty of programs out there, we can provide a list of those that help you as the parent navigate who is your child interacting with. But sometimes as parents, unfortunately, we're so busy that we think, oh, it'll just like everything else in life, it'll never happen to us. Or my kids, I trust my kid, my kid knows who not to talk to. Fine, trust your kid, but don't trust what's on the other side of that screen. And that's why we've got to know who's who's out there and who our kids are interacting with. Well, you know, you got to stop and think about how how seductive Satan is. I mean, I mean, that because that's what we're dealing with. We are dealing with evil, right?

And and, you know, for those parents that are thinking, well, you know, like, my kids can handle this, right? Okay, let me ask you a question. Are you ever tempted? In anything? In anything?

I'm not I'm not talking to you. Maybe maybe you don't have an issue with something online or, you know, in in in what you perceive in your mind to be. But do you get wrapped up in reels? Do you get wrapped up in tiktoks? Do you get? Do you get wrapped up in in shopping?

And do you? I mean, are there things that because I'm look, and I've had Dr. Robert Epstein here on the program, who's the gentleman who's developed the algorithm to out the googles and and the different ones in what they're doing and how they're manipulating people subliminally in a way you don't even understand. Okay, folks, you're being manipulated. We're we're they they are, I go on my phone, I'll be I'll watch something. I'll watch a commercial, I'll watch whatever something. And the next thing I know, the next time I do a search on my phone, lo and behold, guess what? I'm watching, I'm watching a movie on, you know, on on my TV. And I'm thinking, Hey, I want to see I wonder who, you know, I want to know more about that actor.

And I do I do I do the first three letters. And and my and my search page is flooded with that actor's name. People praise on innocence, Pastor Greg, as we know, and this is never going to stop. And he's just found a new avenue and technology not to demonize technology, technology can be wonderful. And that's what I always remind the parents in the girls is technology can be a fabulous tool, we all benefit from it as we're benefiting from it right now.

But Satan also, as he does, everything else knows how to take what's good and turn it for evil. And so he has done that with our technology. And so we have got to become a generation who no longer thinks that this is all being done in person, it's being done online.

And I had the privilege of having one of the lead people in Houston, Houston is where I live is one of the leading areas. And so we are very well versed here, in some of our ministries of what to look for and things like that. And I had the privilege of having someone come to my home to educate me more because I wanted to know what to tell these girls and said, Yes, there are things that you can look at motels and see if there's a certain light on this means that it's going on there and all of these things, she said, but the bottom line is, they are finding them online, because that's where kids live. And Satan is going to go where kids live and parents, we've got to go where these kids live. And as in not just assume that they're going to be safe about everything that they're doing, as we said, and one of the things that I think that parents need to remember is we live online as much as some of our as much as our kids do a lot of times.

And so like you said, we've got to pay attention to our habits, we've got to pay attention to what we're doing. And when these children and they are children, when these children when these teenagers when these little kids, boys and girls, by the way, who are being trafficked, are reaching out for help. That's when these people they know what to look for. They're they're not stupid people. They're well educated, they're well versed in what to look for.

And they grab on to small phrases. So we've got to know, hey, Mom, Dad, be available so that they can come and they can talk with you about things maker don't in as I teach in our in her shoes conference, how are some what are some of the communication skills that we need to learn so that our kids aren't turning to technology to vent, they're coming to us to share things. And as we know, they go to other adult sources, they write a pastor, the youth directors, those are all wonderful.

It doesn't have to be us. But giving them an outlet to go and share their heart instead of jumping on social media. And sharing all of that is a huge plus that we can do as the adults in their life. Many grandparents are raising teens right now. Many grandparents don't have a clue as to how some of the technology use they tell me I don't know how to do all of that.

Right? educate yourself, learn how it's not that complicated. But we've got to go where our kids live. The other piece to this, I think, Shannon, that's important is, is we better recognize and and and and and not be naive about what's happening in our schools. Because the schools are telling children, don't talk to mom and dad. Don't have conversations with your parents. You know, it here here here's they they they speak lies as if they're truth. And then they say, if your parents don't agree with this, then you should not talk to them. Come and talk to us. And that in in and that creates the bridge that then breaks down the child's defense system, and opens them up to these online predators.

That's correct. And one of the things you know, I in our in her shoes conference, we do a breakout session, it's an all day conference, but we break out the moms go in one room and the kids come with me. And one of the things that I have learned that is shocking to many people, these kids, and we're keeping it real and raw.

So I'm just going to say it. These kids come and tell me machine and they're having sex like in the stairwells in the bathroom, things like that. This is no longer our sweet public school system. And I was a public school educator, I was a school teacher and counselor for many years. And this is no longer just at the high school or junior high level. This is seeping over into our elementary schools, which is absolutely heartbreaking. But as we know, by watching the news, we're wanting to educate our kindergartners on sex education. And so we're going to do that to our smaller children because if we can brainwash them when we're younger, we can absolutely turn them against parents.

And as we know, Satan wants the breakdown of the family. So what a better way to do that is to get into our kids lives. And that's why it's so crucial to not just send our kids to youth group activities, not just get our send our kids to be involved in church, go to church with your kids, get them involved in activities where they are surrounded by like minded people. It may not be no, no youth group is perfect, no church is perfect. But we've got to begin to get our kids into areas where they're surrounded by like minded people and parents. Many times the moms who come into our breakout sessions, they'll say, I am so glad you've had this, it just changed my life because I always felt like I'm the only one out there dealing with all of this.

And so we need to surround as parents of teens and kids, we need to surround ourselves with other like minded Christians who are saying no, I'm going to stand up and I'm going to fight and that gives us the courage to say, I don't care what so and so's mom is doing. You know, we all went through that. I remember my mom saying, you know, if so and so jumped off a bridge, would you go with them?

I'm sure we've all heard that. And, you know, and at some point, that's very valid. But nowadays jumping off a bridge, it literally looks like who are you hanging out with?

Where are you living online? And so in our kids, our kids are so tempted, our kids are so easily influenced. And I always remind people being a teenager has not changed that much except in technology, being a parent has changed. Parenting our kids has changed. And so we've just got to know how to communicate with them. And some of the tips that I give my parents that I would encourage our listeners to put into place. One of the biggest complaints I hear our teenage girls say is I don't talk to my mom or my dad, because I'm afraid I'm going to be judged.

That's one thing. So we've got to learn to listen with a non-judgmental ear. Yes, we may feel like having unloaded on them when they tell us things. We've got to learn the art of listening and saying, you know what, I'm going to listen to you. I'm going to hear what you have to say. We'll revisit this at a later time.

I'm not saying to just bypass it and not address it. But we've got to learn the art of listening so our kids feel safe enough to come and talk to us. And then we need to take some time away. Pray, ask the Lord, how do we deal with this?

How do we approach this? So that they know, hey, you know what, I love you. I want the best for you. And so this is why I'm telling you this, not to judge you.

I think you're amazing, but I want the best for you. And then another thing that our kids say is I don't go to my mom or my dad anymore because they always start when I start to try to tell them something, they jump on it and they jump in and they're not hearing me and or they accuse me of doing or saying something that I'm not really doing or saying. And so I shut down because they don't know me and I feel like I can't trust them. Parents, we're pushing. We don't want to push our kids into these predators hands. We don't want to push our kids into online predators or in person predators. We want to push our kids and draw our kids gently to the heart of God through the way that we communicate with them.

And so I think those are some very important things to remember. And we have a lot of communication tips in my book called The Overlooked Generation and in my book for teens called Stan. But I always tell my kids, my teen girls and in her shoes, go to your parents and they say, well, how do I ask or talk to my my mom in this case with its moms and daughters?

How do I talk to my mom about something that, let's say I I drank with my friends last weekend, for example. And how do I tell them? I say, you know what? Your moms have been told they need a code word. And these kids need to know I'm not going to lash out at you.

If you go to a party and you need a code word, you text me the word purple. That means I'm not going to ask me a question. Yeah. Come on. Come and get me.

Well, can I can I jump in here too? And just say this for parents as well. Be transparent and be vulnerable. Okay. You know, we're all gonna we're all gonna yell at our kids. Sometimes we're all gonna get upset with them. Okay.

I mean, why would we love them? I mean, you it's it's like, you know, you don't want them hurting themselves. But admit, when you when you know, you cross that line when you know that how you communicated your message wasn't the best way to do it. Don't back off from your message. But but but be willing to be vulnerable.

Be real. Apologize. Be Be the one to say, I'm sorry. Tell them your stories. A lot of times parents were afraid to say, Oh, listen, your daughter comes home, your son comes home and says, Yeah, I was at a party and I got messed up or I got carried away.

Tell them, yeah, well, guess what, when I was your age, let me tell you what, let me tell you the stupid thing that I did. Okay. And now, don't you're not you're not like joining in like buddies going, Yeah, this was a good thing. You're saying, Hey, I get it. Now your child is like going, Whoa, I can talk to my mom and dad about this stuff. Cuz cuz they understand.

Again, it's not an excuse to say, Yeah, we're gonna go so go get drunk, go do this, go do that. No, it's to say, I get it. And I understand what you're going through. And I'll tell you something else to Shannon that I've learned we've got we've raised five kids. And something that I've learned is is that you've got basically from zero to at tops 13. And you're done parenting.

You're done. Whatever you were gonna do, if you didn't get it done by the time they're 12 or 13 years of age, you're not going to get it done. And if you try to parent between 13 and 18, you're going to drive them away. So between 13 and 18, you're creating the relationship you hope to have for the rest of their lives while you're alive. Meaning, you're the first one they come to when they're dealing with a major life decision.

Yes. And, and I want to tag on to something that you said, I think is really kind of be your unit, the yin to your yang, if you will, that when you were talking about the fact that shared stories with them, absolutely be transparent with them. But some of my kids will say, my mom, you know, got in trouble when she was younger with guys or whatever. And so she won't let me go out to with with friends, she won't let me go somewhere by myself and and I'm trustworthy.

I've tried to prove to her that I'm trustworthy, but she won't let me do it because based on what she did, she thinks I'm going to do that. And so talking to parents, I also want to set a tag on to that and say, don't assume right because you've made that mistake, your parents or your children are going to make that mistake. The fact that you shared what happened with them and you shared how much you regret that or wish you what you wish you wouldn't have done, maybe absolutely what keeps them from from doing and repeating the same thing. So give your child the chance to to prove themselves. And if they do mess up, give them the opportunity to prove their trust again. So many of these kids think, well, I might as well just go ahead and mess up because I tried to prove my trust to my parents.

And it's like that I didn't get a chance. And I so agree with you, Pastor Greg, about saying you're sorry. I think that's so crucial and so important. It's the same thing with trust. If we can tell our children, you know what, because I know what it's like to have made that mistake. Right. Or because you did make that mistake. Listen, I want to trust you.

I want to have that. But don't but don't put your trauma on your kid. Right.

That's the thing. And in counseling, you're taught that one of the things you're taught in counseling, you can't counsel out of woundedness. You have to counsel out of wholeness. So if you're still dealing with your own childhood traumas, get help. You get help.

Go seek help. Because until you get fixed, you're going to put that on and you're going to create a generational reaction that's going to continue something that you don't want to continue. It's great to tell them, look, I'm weak in this area.

I told my kids this. I'm weak in this area. I'm working on it. I haven't perfected it yet, but I'm working on it. I know that you're going to inherit this. So let me tell you what I'm doing to try to make me better in that area. And I think it will help you. Well, wonderful advice to tell them. These are things I work on because I think our kids need to know that.

But don't continue just like we don't want for people. You know, the Bible says that the God that we're forgiven as far as the East is from the West to remember it no more. There's a little phrase in that verse. And I think that we're definitely to model how we treat our teens after that verse. Yes, we remember it, but we don't keep bringing it up to them.

The Lord doesn't do that to us. Just as an example. Final thought because we're going to run out of time. Final thought. Go ahead, Jana. No, you go ahead.

Okay. Just someone who may be listening may get something out of this. But to say, you know what?

Yes, this happened. I want you to know, I forgive you. And then give them steps to help them build that trust back. Let them know. I'm going to let you hang out with this group of friends. And they're a good group. They need to be like-minded, but I'm going to give you some steps to help build that trust back.

I'm not saying for parents to just dump all that trust at one time, but give them the opportunity to earn that back and let them know. I believe in you. I love you. I value you as the person who God created you to be at. You're not me. And I'm going to see you as a separate person while I look at how does God want me to be the parent that he's called me to be.

And so I think that's really important that we stay in the word and pray for your children every day. We're out of time. Shannon Perry, excuse me, Shannon Perry.com. Shannon Perry.com. In Her Shoes is the program.

But you'll get all that information, including the books, at her website, Shannon Perry.com. Shannon, thanks for being with me. I know we could talk for another half an hour at least. But we're out of time. Michael Payton joins me on the other side. We'll talk about the indoctrination issue and how wokeism is really a cultic concept and how Michael was able to get free from that. We'll be back with that coming up right after this brief break. You're listening to Children's Generation Radio.

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Instead, we are fighting an ideological battle for control of our country by contributing to causes that support your constitutional rights. I am Patriot Mobile. You can support Chosen Generation and make a tax-deductible donation by visiting www.chosengenerationradio.com. And now, back to Chosen Generation with Pastor Greg. And welcome back to Chosen Generation Radio, where no topic is off limits and everything filtered through biblical glasses. I'm your host, Pastor Greg, and I'm very pleased to welcome my next guest to the program.

He is the author of My Family, a Cult, and Trump. And I'm welcoming to the program Michael Payton. Michael, welcome. Good to have you. Thank you, Greg. Yeah, I wrote the book and a lot of people think that when you say a cult and Trump, you think I'm putting cult, the cult of Trump, and it's exactly the opposite.

Well, because there's a whole lot of TDS going on, right? For sure. My brother, my younger brother, when he was 19, he had a motorcycle accident. He was killed when he was 19. And I remember going to my family's house in the country and just looking up at the stars. I guess it was about two in the morning or something, and the stars were out and I was praying like hell, praying to God. I didn't know what to pray for.

You know, I love my brother. I didn't know if I should pray for. I couldn't pray for him coming back.

He was obviously gone. So I prayed for answers as to where he was. And the next day I went to work and the guy at work said, hey, I'm really sorry about your brother, but why don't you come to this meeting I'm going to?

Well, the meeting turned out to be one of these new age cults. And over over, I was in it for about five years. And over those five years, I learned how to meditate really intensely, which to me, looking back was just prayer is another way to say prayer. I gotcha.

Sure. So I learned that over over the five years. It was it was hell, but I learned a lot about human courage. Not many people stand up to the group, you know, and they go along with authority blindly.

And I learned all that. And I see that in the in the Democrats and liberals today. They're they're just going along blindly with with what they see.

It's, it's incredible. The the, you know, I just had, well, actually, it's it's interesting, because I think that this was a divinely orchestrated interview time for us, Michael, the program today has been a lot about, you know, what's happening to our kids, right, the indoctrination that's taking place in our, in our schools and and and you know, what they're what they're trying to convince children about and and destruction of the family, the the isolation of kids Shannon Perry and I were just talking about tips for parents and children to protect against online predators. But it but it all comes back to what you're talking about.

I mean, you're, you have to set up the mindset of both the parent and the child to accept certain narratives, so that you can get them to allow certain things to enter in and happen in their lives. It's funny, but in my book, I mentioned this guy, Yuri Bezmenov. He was a Russian defector and he was an expert in misinformation and propaganda. And he he Have you heard of him?

No, I know I haven't but it's but well, I don't know if you're familiar with this with this DVD. It's called disinformation. Pachepo. You're General Pachepo. He was the the top the head of the disinformation program in Romania, who defected. So so the information is out there, you know, this guy.

Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, he defected in the 80s. And he warned the West. Like, you can't, you can't fight a nuclear war. I mean, the Russians aren't stupid. I'm going on about the Russians. I don't think the Russians are the problem. I think it's the Chinese. I think the Soviet Union, you know, that was then and this is now. But he he said, you can't fight a nuclear war with the U.S. Everybody knows that the U.S. knows that it's is mutually assured destruction. So the best way to to defeat the U.S. is from within. So, of course, they're going to come come through all the different channels of our society, starting with the schools.

And he knew that. And you can see kids and professors, kids are coming out socialists questioning a man or a woman, you know, sex changing when you're a teenager, you don't know what's up. Right. You know, this is what we're arguing about in the Senate. And it's insanity. But it's pitting pitting people with some common sense against people that have had their minds twisted. It's it's fighting from within. And that's exactly what they're doing. And well, it's it's it's the 45 it's the 45 goals of the Communist Party lived out.

Right. You know, I mean, Skarsden or what I believe was but but, you know, was entered into Congress in 1963 into the congressional record. And and, you know, I was a Cold War Russian linguist for the Air Force. Yeah, I was an Air Force Cold War Russian linguist.

So, no, I and and I agree with you. I think I think in pecking order right now, China is our greatest threat. I think that Russia is a threat. I don't think that Putin is a friend of any of our values whatsoever. The Russian Orthodox Church is is is the is the Protestant Church of Nazi Germany, in essence based on how they behave.

Oh, yeah, they're they're they're horrible. We I have a friend who had an orphanage in Russia. And and and the church and Putin murdered all the orphans when when they when they went to when they started this war. You know, I think there's a special place in hell for for these people that know what they're doing and they're doing what they're doing. It's think of all the people that suffer on the actions of a few. It's one of the few places where Jesus, you know, he says, it would be better if a mill stone were hung around your neck.

And I try and remember the gentleman's name who sounds of freedom was about the agent. But I was watching an interview that he did recently. And he said, you know, it's the only time Jesus went mafioso. Because he basically is like, look, touch one of these guys.

And let me show you the fury that you're going to experience. A Ballard was Ballard, Tim Ballard, Tim Ballard. Yeah, Tim Ballard is like he was like, you know, that's and and he said, it was interesting because Cavazio in the film references that scripture that was unscripted. That was off.

That was completely off script. And Tim didn't know or Jim didn't know that that was the verse that that God always gives Tim that gives him peace when he's running one of his operations is, if there is, I am with you. And if I were there, it's a millstone around their neck. Greg, do you feel something changing in the world? Do you feel the presence of God? Something's going on like, something's going on in a positive way. I feel that.

I believe that the remnant is rising up. We've been watching that I was in a horrific car accident six years ago. I broke 34 bones in my body, saving my daughter's life. I died four times, took three trips to heaven.

And and I was not even supposed to be out of out of a bed for five years. But I've been doing this. Yeah. Well, I would love to I would love to we'll do that. But here's the thing that that's so cool. So out of that in 2019, I got introduced to a pastor in Punjab, India, who's the real deal. He and I've been doing ministry together. We've set up a laptop so I can see the audience.

He projects my image up onto a wall or a screen or what have you. And we've been going all throughout the state of Punjab. We've now planted over 750 churches together.

We've put in 42 freshwater wells. We've started four sewing schools for widows. We have an orphanage and we have a Bible school. I'm so honored to know you, buddy. Well, well, I'm honored to be used by God. You know, the Word of God says he works all things together for good for those that love him and are called according to his purpose. My dear brother, God used your five years to give you revelatory knowledge of understanding how the dark side works so that you can tell people and warn people and make people aware.

And for such a time as this has God called you to bring your story forward. It's funny on another note, after I left, this is just speaking of life after death, that type of stuff, right? I never really got along that well with my mother. She's kind of a free spirit. And after she died, it's funny, I was lying in bed.

And I mean, you'd probably understand this. I got a message from her and I could hear the words. I couldn't hear the words and I couldn't feel the words.

It was sort of in between, but it was very strong. And she just said, I love it here. And in those words, I can feel such joy from her. Like she's like all the guilt, all the anxiety was completely gone. And I felt this love in this about where she was.

And I think that's the end result of that was a message. It was so strong to me in those simple words, I love it here. And I could feel her whole being. And it was so beautiful.

Like, and I really I can't describe if I heard it or felt it, but it was somewhere in the middle, you know, That is so cool. Well, in my very first trip to heaven, one of the things that transpired was my dad was killed in a car accident the month before my accident. And they said to me, your dad was just here. And we had the most wonderful time with him.

And we were able to give him the whole grand tour, and then take him, you know, to where he was going to be. And we were sorry to have to take him only because we didn't want to have we just so enjoyed his company, we didn't want to have to like, say, Well, you know, we got to go back to our place, and you're going to be over here. And I guess we'll, you know, see around, you know, but, but that was just precious to me. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know what to say. I mean, there's so there's so much beauty around us.

And we just we just can't see it most of the time. I've always wanted to speak to someone that had a life after death experience. Because to me, that's direct evidence of something else, you know, where we're all headed is direct.

I've never talked to anybody. I've always wanted to, you know, see it on TV. Yeah, you know, these, these people are changed forever from what they've seen. Well, what was cool, you know, I got saved many, many, many years ago. And, and so many things in my story about how God prepared me for all of this over the course of a lifetime.

You know, to be able to, to continue on and have faith and trust him in the midst of, you know, everything that has taken place and everything that has happened. And, and, but to know, I mean, I know that I know, and I think that was the biggest thing at, you know, when I got saved at 13, I was on the verge of suicide, Michael. And, and it was a very emotional experience. And then I, I lost that emotion about four years later, and between 17 and 18, I kind of started to fall away. And then when I turned 22, I had another experience. And I came back to the faith. And the difference was, is that emotion was no longer the leading factor. I think I'm still in that stage.

When I used to meditate in my room after I left the cult was prayer. I had some really profound experiences spiritually. And I couldn't talk about them without breaking down into tears at one point, like I'm close now. You know, that's, that's the experience I had after, after the call. But yeah, I think it's a very personal thing.

And you know, you come to these things, we all come to the these things on different paths. But yeah, it's, it was extremely emotional. And I don't want to negate the emotion. I'm not saying that, that I just might talk to my kids, right? I cry, I cry in movies.

So no, I'm an emotional guy. What I'm saying is, is that if emotions are the only thing, if emotions are the engine, then the problem and this is what happened to me when I was young, is, is that when the emotions start to fade, then you begin then then questions come in. And you begin to go, well, is it real?

Did you follow what I'm saying? Whereas if, if faith is the engine, followed by the truth, and I mean, you can't encounter we're talking about God. We're talking about being I mean, we're talking about being in the presence of a love that is practically indescribable indescribable by words.

And I would say completely indescribable. I used to tell my daughters when they were young, right? They used to ask me about, do you believe in God? Is there a God?

And I used to say, if you dig up a worm in the garden, you dig up a worm, and you start talking to that worm about Disneyland, and all the colors and the rides and things like that, right? That worm has, we don't even know if it has ears, it has, it has no language, it has no understanding. That's if you try and talk about God, that's us. The bliss and wonder, we have no idea, we can't. So we have to go on faith.

No, we do. And I am grateful that he's given us, I believe, his word. And if we spend time in it, we'll begin to understand the character of who he is. And the person of who he is.

It's funny, the was it Stalin or Lenin, they called it the opiate of the masses, you know, and look at what we're doing now. They're going after Christians, because we're a threat, because we have the truth on our side. This country or your country, especially was founded on the teachings of Christ.

It's Christian. The country was founded on that and the principles and the rule of law. And it's all going out the window. It's so sad and scary, man.

Like, look at what's happening in Canada. But, you know, the Nobel Prize for Physics in 2022 was awarded to physicists that proved that this nothing's real in this world. Like, you know, I don't really understand it myself, but they proved that what we see around us isn't real at all. And they won the Nobel Prize for Physics for proving that, you know, Einstein's spooky action at a distance. It actually is spooky action at a distance. Like, there's no reason for these cells and light to communicate across the universe instantly.

They have no idea. Like, it's all like a mirage. So what's the reality? Yeah, the issue of it is, is that that's part of the fallacy, if you will. What they're saying is, is that what we can't explain, we're going to discount as not being real. That's what, okay.

And what it really proves, if you talk to a Christian scientist, someone who has that kind of perspective is, is, guess what? There's only one way that it's all held together. And his name is God. Yeah. Now, see, I'm gonna cry when I think about it. You understand? See, so I'm folks, I'm not saying, I'm not saying it's not emotional because it is emotional. Okay.

He holds the universe together in his hand. And you know, Greg, you say you cry at movies. When I go to a movie with my daughters, they look at me first. If it's a story about love, if it's a story about love, if it's a story about redemption, I lose it.

There you go. We've seen it in an emotional level, you know. And that's why it affects us so much. Like, I can't not get emotional when I hear stories like that, like that movie. You know, the movie with, I can't think of the name of it, but the one that's doing $100 million. Sounds of Freedom. Sounds of Freedom. Yeah, that movie too. You know, when the little kid is there, and he's talking about his sister, and he gets the medallion. If you ever hear the interview with him, that's a message right from God.

Like, how can you not cry? Come on. There's something going on here. And we've been touched. I know we've been touched. So, getting back to the show.

So we've got about seven minutes here, and I want to dig down into some of the chunks of this thing. You mentioned, we were talking about the indoctrination of cult. Differentiate for me the idea of being in support of, you know, because you mentioned Trump, because it's funny. When we first came on, you were like, yeah, people see my family, a cult, and Trump, and they immediately assume, yeah, this guy, I'm going to read what he has to say because he knows Trump's a cult.

Talk to me about that differentiation, if you would, for a minute. Well, any cult, right? The definition of any cult to me is top-down authority, like handing your brain over to another person, another organization.

And what the government is trying to put more rules in, put more power in for themselves to take care of the people. That's a cult. When you hand over your life to an organization, it's a cult. Whether it's Scientology, they're just zombies.

I was a zombie for five years, not thinking for myself, just letting them do it. Common sense goes out the window. Just like the Bezmenov guy says, he says, you can hit these people over the head with all the evidence in the world and they just ignore it. You have to kick them in the butt with a jack boot and take them to Siberia before they start to open their eyes. And that's what's happening. Let me give you an example.

Let me give you my thoughts on Trump. You know the story of the emperor has no clothes? You know that story?

Okay. So the tailors, the guys are the condiment that are going in there are the communists, the Chinese. They're in the system now and they're saying, this is all wonderful.

If you don't see it, you're not worthy, you know, and they make you feel guilty. So that's, that's what's happening. So when the, when the emperor goes down the street on his horse naked, the kid stands up and says, mommy, why isn't that guy wearing any clothes right? And the mother just says, she opens up her eyes and says, yeah, that's true. He really isn't wearing any clothes. And then everybody starts to talk. So yeah, he's not wearing any clothes and then the jig is up in real life. Trump is that kid. He's saying, Hey, wait a minute. The emperor has no clothes. Like why are we, why are we doing all this stuff that we're doing?

Right. And I think there's three kinds of people, people that'll listen to the kid and say, you know what, I'm going to have a second look. Maybe the guy isn't wearing any clothes.

Maybe this is all a con. That's one kind of person. The second kind is the people that are invested in it and have been telling everybody else how wonderful these clothes are. Oh, it's the most wonderful thing. And they're going to get mad at the kid. And you see that in, in in everybody, all the Democrats today, they hate Trump because he's pointing out the nonsense and it's their whole, it's their whole life. It's their whole narrative. And the third type of person is the most sinister. They're the ones that are orchestrating it.

And they're the real evil ones, as far as I'm concerned. So that's, that's, that's a good story. And that's true. He's the kid that's saying that. And that's why I say he's the most important president in history because you know, there's some great presidents, you know, there's Washington, there's, there's Reagan, you know, he brought down the wall, but now the whole world is at stake. You know, everybody's, everybody's watching what's happening with this woke stuff. And that's why he's most important. He actually pointed it out and he had the courage to stand up to it and point out fearlessly, no matter what happens to him. And so he's opening up a lot of other people. Other people are starting to question it. That's why he says, say he's the most important and all this other nonsense about, you know, Oh, he said this.

Oh, he said that. I don't care. I don't care what his personal life is. I look at his policies and my family thinks I'm in the cult of Trump, you know, and it's the exact opposite.

It's the opposite. They listen to the news every day and they just believe everything they're told and everything bad about Trump. All the evidence is all cooked up. It's all out there. Everybody, anybody like this guy, Bezmenov said, it's all out there, but you, you hit them over the head with it.

It doesn't matter. The human mind is very, um, this, this, um, party line thinking this, uh, sports team thinking it's dangerous in politics and that's what's happening. And they understand that. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, it's, you know, I, I, no, I, I agree with you. I agree with you. I, I believe that president Trump was a phenomenal president and did a phenomenal job. I hope that he can make it back in again. My, my greatest concern is, is a, he needs to pick better people around him the second time around because he put the wrong people around him and, and so he didn't get the right things, all of the right things done. And then, and then secondly, he's got to set it up for the next eight years because he's only going to have four and we've already seen how quickly they unraveled everything that he did get accomplished in a hundred days.

Um, so got to be designed to, yeah, it has to be by design. Yep. These people are against the U S and they're a hundred percent. Well, and I think that it evidentiary points out how important the United States is. And I know we need to be concerned about America first and taking care of us. But the truth of the matter is, is, you know, if you live in a neighborhood where you've got some good neighbors, you're going to have a good neighborhood. Okay.

If you live in a neighborhood where you've got bad neighbors, chances are you're not going to have a very good neighborhood and America. Yep. And America is the most important neighbor that the world has. And we've got to get back to that place. Got to.

And you know, the, the American spirit is, is something that's so beautiful to hold, you know, the spirit of freedom. I hope, um, I hope it comes out stronger and stronger. I see it. It's starting to come out.

I agree. Sort of like what you're saying about the American neighbors. It's like when you're on a plane and the things come down, they say, put it on yourself first. You know, that's what America has to put it on yourself first.

Heal yourself, get yourself in shape and then, and then you can, and then you can do the work. We're out of time, folks. Thanks so much for being with me, Michael Payton, a, my family, a Colt and Trump pick up the book today, Texas fully loaded coming up right now. And to those of you that are staying with us on social media, again, I just really encourage you, uh, to check out Michael Payton. Now, Michael, what's your website? You have a website? No, not yet. My books for sale on Amazon.

Yup. Well, and I've got it listed. I've got your name, uh, right underneath, uh, or your, your name right underneath you right now. It says Michael Payton and then my family, a cult and Trump is the name of the book.

My family, a cult and Trump, uh, hold tight a second. I'm going to say goodbye folks and I'm going to sign off. I will be back with you, uh, tomorrow. Uh, so, uh, tune in tomorrow. We'll have a great program for you and God bless you. And listen, don't forget at the end of the day, okay. At the end of the day, we're going to be held accountable for what we do with what we know. God's going to say, what did you do with the talents and the gifts and the abilities and the freedom and the opportunities that I gave you through my son, Jesus Christ. I hope you're doing all that you can. I'll be back tomorrow. And we are clear.