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My passion is the fight for freedom. My father fought for a World War II defending our country. Today, we are no longer fighting with guns. Instead, we are fighting an ideological battle for control of our country by contributing to causes that support your constitutional rights.

I am Patriot Mobile. That was a shooting gallery up there. I could hear the tremble in his voice. She suffered a very severe being. The video is pretty graphic.

Justice for us seems almost impossible. It's not fun to watch somebody die, and they knew she was in mortal peril. They have not asked the hard questions. Why was the Capitol intentionally unsecure that day? The FBI had information about security concerns before January 16th. They're out for blood, and they're getting it. They appear to be winning. Were the actions of the Capitol Police out of line? Were there violations in use of force?

Now I describe it as an inside job. I'm ready to do whatever God calls me. There's an old Chinese saying my ancestors learned before the Communist Party took over our country. The family is the essential unit of human society, and that you must have honor and defend your family. But it's not always easy to do.

When the regime gives the order, you have to kill. My heart was pounding. I felt my body bouncing and twisting on the floor. They put numbers on our shoulders, then separated us into rows of even and odd numbers.

I was number nine. My brother, he's still in prison, and my sister, she was sent to a labor camp without a trial. But there's one piece of evidence they haven't been able to destroy yet.

I left everything behind. If I can expose what they did to us, then all of our suffering would be for nothing. Welcome to Chosen Generation with your host, Pastor Greg Young. But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people that you should shoe forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light, which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God, which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

And now, Chosen Generation, where no topic is off limits, and everything is filtered through biblical glasses. And now, here's your host, Pastor Greg. And welcome to the program. Great to have you with me. Thanks so much for being here.

I know you have a choice of where you can listen each and every day. And I thank you for keeping it tuned here to Chosen Generation Radio, where no topic is off limits, and everything filtered through biblical glasses. And happy Friday to you.

Happy Friday to you. Gordon Chaps Klingenschmitt, pray in Jesus' name we with us at the bottom of our number two. He makes his monthly visit with us, and we'll be talking about the LGBT agenda and the attack on our children. And we'll be getting into that with him coming up. Don Jansz and I will talk about the ideological war that we're in. We're in an ideological battle, folks. We are in an ideological battle. And unfortunately, we have relegated our greatest weapon, which it's not really a weapon. It's a belief system. But we've relegated God and Jesus Christ and what our nation was founded on to social issues. We've allowed ourselves to be put in that position and told that our nation never was a Christian nation.

It's just always been a bad place to live. We'll talk about that coming up. Let's see, bottom of the hour. Also, John Koons joins us, and we'll talk about the CCP and what they're doing. And now they're helping Russia and Ukraine. Is Taiwan next? Where do they go next? We'll talk about that coming up as well.

But change of pace. Joining me now to discuss Quiet Conversations. Very pleased to welcome the program.

She is an author. She is a lifetime resident of Tampa, Florida, and very pleased. So we were kind of catching up a little bit in the green room. Very pleased to welcome to the program Kim Harvey Brennan. Kim, welcome. Good to have you with me. Thanks for being here today. Oh, it's a pleasure, Pastor Greg.

Thank you for having me. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, life takes us through journeys, doesn't it?

Certainly does. And we never have any idea which direction those journeys will go. The Lord's been really talking to me a lot about Gethsemane once again.

About almost 20 years ago, I was given three to six months to live. And during that period of time, God really talked to me about how we all go through that Garden of Gethsemane in our lives. And, you know, we have our road to Damascus and our burning bush, but that's really the beginning of our journey. That's when God kind of shows himself and says, Hey, I'm here.

You know, invite me in. But the Garden of Gethsemane is the place you go when you're already in that journey. And I think a lot of times we don't give people the space to be able to get into that garden and then the comfort to know that God's with them in the midst of that struggle. It looks like your book kind of helps people to address that to a degree. Well, thank you. It really does because I lived through an experience that is probably our Garden of Gethsemane.

I don't think I've ever thought about it in those terms. So thank you for that. It helps me kind of visualize that. And one of the things that I learned out of necessity, sometimes we learn our hardest lessons in life by just kind of being thrown into the fray. And life is difficult.

We all know that. But my husband struggled. I was there by his side and helping him fight as hard as he could for about two years with acute myeloid leukemia. And I do recall when we got to the point we tried to be positive the whole way. We tried to ask the Lord to use every moment of our experience and to help us learn whatever lessons He needed us to learn and to help mold us to become people more fervent about our faith and stronger as we trusted God for every single step of the way and every hour that we experienced it.

But there does get to be a time when with a physical illness that he had struggled with for so long, where they finally made a decision. We had gone to a second facility actually in your home state. We were at we were in Houston at MD Anderson.

Sure. And they were wonderful. The community was wonderful and welcoming. But at that point, after being there for three months, we were told there was really no physical hope left of a remedy or a treatment.

We had tried everything. Yeah. And the doctors there were wonderful. And they said, if you were our loved one, we would say it's time to go back to Tampa to be with the people you love for whatever time you have left. So when we did that, and it was a very challenging time, of course, when you receive news like that, we really did feel like we were in the Garden of Gethsemane.

So that's a lovely metaphor. But what I learned about the Garden of Gethsemane is Jesus was not alone. Right. God was with him.

Right. And we felt so wrapped in God's Spirit, His presence and His love. And my husband got to the point, John was his name, John got to the point where he prayed and said, Lord, you have given me such a rich life filled of blessings and relationships and opportunities to know you and draw closer to you and try to bless the people I stood in my life and have great, you know, experience here on earth. I can't ask for more.

I don't feel like I should ask for more. Amen. And that was just such testimony to me, because part of me was kind of like, well, maybe we could, maybe we could, let's just a little longer. But you know, that's the man that he was. And I think that was his way of saying, not my will to die. Amen. And that will bless me and my children till the day we die to know that.

And you know, and you know, it's unfortunate. Sometimes I think, you know, I got to the place in 04 when I was going through what I was going through. I was I was numb. I was numb. I felt like, I mean, I could see emotion on people's faces. I knew what it was. I was 42 years old. I knew what emotion was. But I, I had none. I had none. And at the time my my exhausted.

Yeah, probably, yeah, probably so tired from the physical wear and tear on your body through your illness. Yeah. And and I was like, Okay, you know, I've got life insurance. I've got all this stuff.

If you know, my family will be okay. If it's my time, take me. I think the thing that we that and this was something the Lord taught me because, you know, since that time, I my adrenal glands and my pituitary gland are still compromised. And and and every day, I take natural stuff to keep going. And it's tough sometimes to get out of bed.

It's tougher now since my car accident six years ago. But but but nonetheless, you know, and and yet, I prayed for people who got healed from cancer, who got, you know, all of those kinds of things. But here's what I told folks, listen, God decides because he knows what's best.

And he loves us. He there's there's not, you know, you look at the guy in the book of Acts chapters three and four, at the gate beautiful. I was talking with Dr. Christian Weiner, who was just there, we're talking about the rebuilding of the temple. And I said to him, I said, you know, I know, you know, just reaffirm for my audience is not the gate beautiful.

Was that not the main entrance? And he said, Yeah, it was. So here's Jesus. Remember this guy, 40 years, lion there.

That's what the word says 40 years. Jesus walks by him for 33 years, never acknowledges him. Now does that mean Jesus didn't love him? No, it means he did the will of the Father. It was God's time. Peter and John said, silver and gold have we not and that which we have we give unto you rise up and walk. My point is and and then you look at the five porches.

Jesus walked over all those people to get to that one guy that was at the edge that couldn't quite get his toe in the water. My point is, is that God is the one and if we understand that he loves us, and that this right here where we are, this is temporary. This is temporary. It we love it. We love our family. We love being with our loved ones.

But it is still temporary. That's why I was just at a celebration of life. Where where someone had, you know, had passed and we had a celebration of life to celebrate the life that they had had, but then also to celebrate, hey, they're now getting your husband, John is with Jesus.

He is, he is loving it. When when I had my accident, I died four times. And I took three trips to heaven. And in one of the trips, the people I met, talked to me about my dad, who had died in a car accident one month before me. And they said, we so enjoyed our visit with him. We were sorry to have to, you know, take him to his permanent residence, because we just had such a great time giving him a, you know, giving him the grand tour.

That was so, you know what I mean? And so I just can affirm for you for your family, for those that are listening and watching right now, heaven is real, man. Heaven is real. And we're going to get there one day, and that's going to be so cool. It reminds me of Ecclesiastes, which King Solomon said, we are born for eternity. And we think because we're human, and we have, you know, finite vision, that we were made just for earth. But this is such a blink of the eye, compared to eternity, with our Heavenly Father and with Christ sitting at his right hand in heaven. That's what we're really made for.

And sometimes we lose our focus of that. But I think that after going through the difficult struggle and war raged on my husband's body, that God used that to bring him to that wonderful sense of the peace that the Apostle Paul says passes all understanding. To know that if it was his time, he was welcoming that, not dreading it, but being grateful in his heart that God had prepared a place for him. Did that help you and your family as you walked this with him? You know, it did.

And I think God uses all kinds of things in our lives. I like to say the good, the bad and the ugly. But the good was that, and it was almost like I'm thinking, isn't my role as his wife, and as the mother of our children, isn't my role one to keep us all comforted and on the right track with our faith to make sure we're still believing and trusting. But amazingly, John, being the wonderful husband and father he was, he was the one that was comforting us.

Isn't this what happens? You're the one that we should be comforting. You're the patient and encouraging. And often, he was the one strengthening us. So we drew a tremendous amount of strength. And he constantly reminded us that God is in control. And that when we are weak, we are strong. And that our weakness is what helps bring his strength and wisdom and discernment and comfort to us.

And yes, so it was very much a, an experience where it did benefit us all a lot. And you know, we miss him tremendously. Never really deals with I mean, you learn to move on and have life occur. But he's still his spirit of our memories and his, he had a great sense of humor, very dry, his laughter, he's still very much a part of our families. When we're all together, I have three adult children kind of scattered.

But when we're together, we tell such loving, funny, fun stories that bring great memories that really speak to our hearts. One of the things it just, you know, as we're talking about journeys, you know, going from being again, being given that time and then having this catastrophic accident where I broke every bone in my body, saving my daughter's life in a car accident, I dove from the passenger seat to the driver's seat, but it was God talking to me about faith that perseveres and in other words, you know, remember how Paul says, you know, I have a thorn in my flesh. And and but but you know, your grace is sufficient for me, I'm going to press on. And it never I mean, we we note that it never dimmed Paul's faith, even though he himself may not have experienced everything that those around him did, as the Lord used him, but he's still maintained his connection and his total confidence in God.

Absolutely. And in fact, what I've always looked at, from the life of Paul, is that in fact, I think it made his testimony and his witness of Christ even stronger, because he, he was awesome. He perhaps I mean, we never really know, there's a lot of theories, but we don't really know what his thorn in the flesh was, which I kind of like that.

Because we can all imagine whatever we want to, but anyone who's ever been through something that you would call a thorn in the flesh means he experienced great pain, frustration, hardship, disappointment. And this fight that he had such a fervent, boy filled faith, and his life mission was to encourage other people. In the midst of that, he could have become very self focused, and said, You know what, I know I was called to take the gospel to the ends of the earth, but I've got a problem right now.

I need a break timeout. And he didn't. It didn't stop any of his journeys. It didn't stop him proclaiming the gospel in the town square and getting thrown into jail. Just like you even imagine what his ministry would have been like if he didn't have a thorn in the flesh. Knowing it makes it all the richer for me to know that despite that, he never let it bring him down or weigh him down with his passion for Christ and the gospel.

And that he was very real about his emotions and his feelings and where he was at. That's the other thing that I think people miss even regarding Jesus. You know, Jesus says in one of the gospels is quoted as saying, My soul is vexed as unto death, you know, and I, I know there's a, you know, a lot of people that deal with, you know, suicidal thoughts and those kinds of issues. And, and, and it's so important to understand that Jesus is saying, Hey, yeah, I, I'm, I'm, I'm dealing with that temptation right now myself, I'm fighting that right now myself, I'm feeling I mean, to the point that he's sweating blood, right? You know, so so and I think Christ's message to us in that is, is hey, I get it.

I really do get it. I mean, I'm not just sitting in here giving you Christian platitudes. I'm, I'm telling you, I understand right where you are right now. And guess what, I'm going to throw my arm around you. I'm not going to chastise you. I'm not going to criticize you.

I'm going to throw my arms around you give you a great big hug and say, you know what, we're going to get through this together. Exactly. And that's such a powerful message for us. I think it's Hebrews that said he was like us in every single way. He understood disappointment, Christ understood physical pain and everything. And knowing he was about to go to the cross. I mean, crucifixion was one of the most torturous, horrendous forms of death in the know.

It still is. Yeah. So he knew what he was about to endure. And so I honestly hope that anyone who's ever listening, who's had suicidal thoughts, would know that even Jesus himself understands that temptation. Was to just say no to the pain and the heartache and the disappointment of this world is really an easier way out. And so to be bold and to rely on the Lord is the grave courageous choice.

And to know that you're not alone. You said something too early in our conversation that I think is significant that, you know, the Spirit of the Lord was with Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane. Another place where Jesus received help that isn't talked about that much is on the way up to Golgotha. On the march with the cross there was a man Simeon who was called out of the crowd to help Christ carry that cross. And I think it's so important again that we are that we are that at times for others and that we need that.

Oh my gosh. You know, we need that. And we experienced that in a bountiful way. God always put people on our path who I really believe at times I used to say they were angels because they sometimes they were people we didn't know and they just appeared in the moment we needed them to do what in essence Simeon did was help carry the cross when we just were falling apart and needed that oomph that picked me up to help us do what the next step required. And that is the power of God helping us lean on him. And he puts people in our lives that we can lean on because they are the hands and the feet and the arms that hug us to encourage us for God. You call the book Quiet Conversations.

What what led you to give it that particular title? I chose the title Quiet Conversations because I believe if our goal is to always be trying to learn more about God, what he really wants us to know about him, and for us to strengthen our faith, but it's going to require a lot of quiet conversations with him. And a lot of people traditionally think of prayer as monologue by us. We just turn on the channel and we talk to God and we blab, blab, blab, and think we're telling him all these things to enlighten him, even though of course, we know he already knows. But what I've learned, the older I've become, and the more deeply I've grown in my faith is that prayer is supposed to be a dialogue. And we need to listen to God as much as we speak. And I don't think we can do that unless we stop and pull ourselves away from the fray and the noise and the chaos who devote time to have a quiet conversation with God, where we listen, and he speaks to our hearts and our souls and our spirit. And that's that faith, isn't it? I mean, it's understanding. I mean, we know our voice in our head, and I think we have to learn to trust that he can speak to us in that, in a voice, in here, in the same way that we do self-talk.

Oh, yes. I can always tell a stark difference. He's much wiser than I am and much more pertinent in the moment of what I need to hear versus what I want to hear. Well, I tell folks, a lot of people get dreams, get visions, get signs, get all of this. And I tell people, I'm like, look, I'm just not that smart.

I just, you know, I can't, I mean, unless it's like flashing neon, I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. So, you know, 50 years ago, God knew that about me, and he was like, okay, I'm going to put my voice in your head so that way there's not any question about, you know, I'll give you a perfect example.

Yesterday, as I was praying, I do ministry in India weekly over Skype, and I was praying at the end of the service, and Holy Spirit was saying that I needed to pray off darkness and pray off fear. I did not know that that community was being oppressed by gangsters and by satanic worshipers. I had no idea. I don't know that. I'm over here in America.

They're over there in Punjab, India. I don't know nothing about that, but I'm listening to the Holy Spirit and just simply repeating what he's telling me. And I'm not special in that way, okay? Well, I'm special in the sense that he knows that if he doesn't tell me, I'm not going to get the neon sign.

That's the only special part about it, okay? But what I'm saying is that he wants to have that intimacy with us, and that's the beauty, I think, of the book that you've crafted and really put on paper your pain journey, but leading to understanding the character of God. And obviously, we get to him through Jesus Christ.

He is the way, the truth, and the life, and he gives us access to the Father in a way that's just beautiful and so real. It really is. And my point in the book is that that is a decision we need to make to draw ourselves apart. It's difficult in the midst of a lot of chaos and noise and activity. It's not difficult for God to speak to us. It's difficult for us to allow ourselves to open our ears and hear. To listen. And that's why, because we are human beings, I have found it's a lot easier if we pull ourselves away, and we're alone, and it's quiet. And I always pray, Lord, give me the eyes to see and the ears to hear what you want me to know right now. Often I have my Bible in my lap, and many times he suddenly brings a scripture passage to me, and I look it up, and it's exactly what I need to know at that point.

And often it calls me to serve in the stead to help someone who needs it that I would have never known they needed it, because God put it on my heart through the scripture. Awesome. So... KimHarveyBranan.com. B-R-A-N-N-A-N dot com. Kim Harvey Brennan.

B-R-A-N-N-A-N dot com. And the name of the book is Quiet Conversations. Quiet Conversations. Encourage you to pick it up, meditate with it, use it to kind of help you reorient and realize that we need those quiet times, we need those precious moments with God so that we can prepare ourselves and be ready for what he wants us to do, even with our most cherished loved ones. Thank you, Kim, for coming on the program. Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure, and thank you for your ministry, and God bless you. God bless you, dear. God bless you. All right, we're going to take a break. John Koons joins us coming up right after this.

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I am Patriot Mobile. You can support Chosen Generation and make a tax-deductible donation by visiting www.chosengenerationradio.com. And now, back to Chosen Generation with Pastor Greg. And welcome back to Chosen Generation Radio, where no topic is off limits and everything filtered through biblical glasses. I'm very pleased to welcome my next guest to the program. He actually lives on Bougainville Island, which is off of Papua New Guinea and right in the heart, right in the center, right at the tip of the advancement of the CCP.

And as you all, if you listen, know, I consider Xi Ping and the Chinese Communist Party to be probably the number one threat, not just to the United States, but the number one threat in the world today. And I'm very pleased to welcome to the program, John Koons. John, welcome. Good to have you with me. Thanks for being here. Thanks, Pastor Greg. Great to be here.

Wow. Well, let me start with this. So how did you, tell me a little bit about your background and how you ended up on Bougainville Island. Well, my business for 45 years has been investing in infrastructure assets in pretty much remote locations around the world. Prior to being in Bougainville, I had a company called China Hydroelectric Corporation. We were the largest foreign owned power company in the People's Republic of China. So I know China very well, lived there for 10 years. And we registered the company, listed the company, excuse me, on the New York Stock Exchange.

And ultimately we're forced to sell it to the Chinese, which is a whole other story. But after that, I was sitting in my office in Midtown Manhattan one day and a bunch of representatives from the chiefs in Bougainville came to my office to ask me if I would come there to help them. And the definition of help, Pastor Greg, for them is that they had gone through a brutal civil war, had won the rights to conduct an independence referendum with their antagonist, Papu New Guinea, wanted to vote for independence, but were dependent on PNG, as we call it, Papu New Guinea for cash, and felt that they had to stay with Papu New Guinea unless someone would help them rebuild their economy so they could bid sayonara to Papu New Guinea.

And that's basically what lured me to Bougainville. Wow, what a journey. What interested you or how did you get involved in the infrastructure of these underdeveloped nations?

What led to that? Well, as I indicated, I'm pretty much a world traveler. So I'm pretty familiar with the Western Pacific. Most of those nations, as you know, Pastor Greg, are not really endowed with natural resources or other things that could be developed to provide a prosperous economy. Bougainville is very different. As witnessed, the Panguna mine, which was developed by Rio Tinto in the 1970s, and from 1972 to 1989, when it operated before the Civil War, it was the largest and most profitable copper and gold mine in the world.

Okay. So I knew they had resources. The next thing is Bougainvilleans are devout Christians. 80% of them are Catholic and the other are evangelical.

And they'll walk three miles one way to go to church every Sunday or Saturday as the religions separate them. Wonderful moral and ethical people, for the most part. There's some bad apples, but lovely people. And then the last thing is they actually asked me to help them.

So I felt like I couldn't say no. And that was August of 2015. And in August of this year, which is coming up, it will be eight years since I moved to Bougainville to work with them. Yeah, you mentioned being on the mainland in China.

And obviously, you're going to get a bird's eye view. I've had Chris Fenton on the program. I've also was a part of promoting a film called Finding Courage, which has to do with the persecution of the Falun Gong there by the CCP and the family.

One of the sisters was murdered in a labor camp, and the brother was tortured for 12 years. Talk to me about why we should be concerned or have our eye on what the CCP is is doing. Okay, well, first of all, yeah, I lived in China from 2005 to 2014. But actually, I've been doing business in China since the 1980s. Okay, I'm the first American to import high grow electric equipment manufactured in China into the United States.

For example, I did that in 1987. I've actually met Xi Jinping. And let me just tell you a little story. And you and your listeners a little story about him. I met him when he was the governor of Fujian province, which is where we were developing a handful of hydroelectric projects. And we had a big ribbon-cutting ceremony, and he was there. And my partner, a so-called princeling, in other words, a descendant of one of the founders of the Chinese Communist Party, a guy named Dr. Lin, went to high school with Xi Jinping and introduced me. And he had an interpreter, but he speaks, I think, reasonable English. But he was speaking through an interpreter, and he said, I just expected to shake his hand, but he said, no, no, you're an American, right? Take a guess.

This is him talking to me. Take a guess who had the largest economy in the world in 1800. And I said, well, I actually happen to know that, but I think you're going to tell me your country did, because that's right, 35% of the world's GDP. And he was very proud of that. I said, okay, well, that's good. And then he finished that note by saying, and we're going to have that again.

We're going to be the world's leader again. I said, okay, fine. And he goes, and let me just tell you something else. You know, I've been to Iowa. I said, I actually read that about you. I know you've been to Iowa. He said, you have very fine black earth in Iowa.

I said, yeah, yeah, we do. And he goes, but it's not as good as Shandong's, okay, which is a province in China. And that's where Xi Jinping is coming from. And everything he does is, is formulated on getting the great empire back to where it was now in terms of what he has to do to the Falun Gong or the, the Uyghurs in the West or the people in Hong Kong or anybody else that stands in his way. He's no different than Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mr. Putin. None of those people have a sense of humanity anymore. They've long given that up for their, their greater range.

And nothing except force is going to stop Mr. Xi Jinping. I'm so glad that you put it in those terms, because I think that that we we have lost the understanding, you know, I was a Cold War, United States Air Force, Russian linguist vet. And and so I mean, I understand the old Soviet Union, I you know, growing up, right, you and I both we grew up understanding communism is bad.

Communism is evil. You alluded to it a little bit. And I'd like to kind of unpack that for just a second about your company. You had a company, you went in, you you created economic wealth, you you did well, but your employees did well, the community did well, everybody was doing great. And the Chinese government kind of said, Yeah, okay, that's nice.

But you're out of here. And we're, we're, we're taking over. That is communism, is it not, john? Yeah, no, that's exactly what they did. They took the gun, we were listed on the New York Stock Exchange, they went around the world broke all the SEC rules, gathered up all the stock and threw us out. Well, and and you know, a lot of people don't understand the CCP and and the way that they are just, I mean, they will go in and and you talk about stock market control, crashing this, they don't care about crashing the stock market, it doesn't matter to them.

It's part of unrestricted warfare. Yeah, exactly. Um, so where do you look now let's let's shift over to Taiwan for just a minute. And and and talk about that they they came into Hong Kong. To me, it's it it makes illogical what they've done in Hong Kong. I mean, they they had the golden goose, it was laying all the eggs that they needed.

And they went in there and they just it seems to me like they destroyed it. Yeah, Greg, I think you're absolutely right. Except that and your statement is completely accurate. I mean, I was in China and what what many people now call the golden era when when they were accepting foreigners and foreign capital and foreign innovation and so forth.

But then in 2012, Xi Jinping took over. And he you're talking about a man who grossly overestimates his own ability. Okay. And he said, he said, we don't need all those innovative economic forces, we can do better ourselves. Keep in mind, this is the guy who had zero COVID.

Right. So, so that's, that's how he thinks. And in terms of Taiwan, the biggest thing to be afraid of is that same delusional view that said to him, well, we can sweep all these guys in Hong Kong down into the gutter, and we're going to replace it with something better. And obviously, it's not going to be he can kid himself into deciding to invade Taiwan, because he thinks he can get away with it, just like Mr. Putin said. And that's, that's the really scary thing. Relative to that, I you know, I have I have friends, as I mentioned to you that that have relationships in China. Japan on the one hand is, you know, clamping down but but when dictators are clamping down, we in the West should recognize that that's not a sign of strength. That's a sign of weakness. That means that internally, they've got issues. Am I am I would would you suggest that I'm reading that correctly?

I would do more than suggest you. You're absolutely right. I mean, look, I still have lots of friends in China, they I cannot communicate with them. You can't communicate in any way with them. But I know when I am able to be with them and speak to them, okay. They tell me that everyone knows now in China that the golden age is over.

Okay. The young people haven't ever had it any other way. And they're confused. But the older people are saying, hey, you know, what happened in 1989 at Tiananmen Square, that they don't want that to ever happen again. But unless something like that happens, we've got a problem.

And that's what he's worried about. So as as we look down the road, I mean, one of the other things that's happened is, is we've got a triad that has has has risen up. Now, you've got Ji Ping and Putin. And then you've also got the president of Iran. What is your sense of the relationship between Ji Ping and Putin?

Who are who are, in my opinion, both delusional narcissists? Yeah, well, first of all, having lived in China for as long as I have, I know for a fact from from my Chinese friends, that there's never going to be any love loss between Chinese and Russians, just like there's never going to be any love loss between Chinese and Vietnamese that there are ancient feudal conflicts that are right below the surface in those relationships. So it is a marriage of convenience.

Let's face it right now. China needs Russia's gas and hydrocarbons and Russia needs China's money and assistance. That's a fragile relationship. And I think right now, obviously, Xi Ji Ping is being quiet about the whole relationship.

I guess they're going to have a reunion of sorts coming up here in Beijing. But I'm actually worried a little more about the relationship with Iran than I am with Russia. I think Iran is, look at those guys trying to steal these boats in the Gulf recently. I mean, they're they're crazy enough to do anything. Well, there's no question. I think I think of the three that they're, they're, they're the most radical per se, but it but it seems to me that Ji Ji Ping is is is the most methodical and and, you know, relative to it, and I get it, you know, that that he may not be the sharpest tool in the shed per se, relative to what is real versus what he imagines. But boy, you can carry you can do a lot with your imagination.

And he's doing an awful lot with his imagination. Well, Greg, listen, you're right. I mean, you and your audience, I'm sure you're aware because of your background. You know, when we went to war with Japan, we were 10 times their size.

Okay. That is not true of us in China. I mean, they're a huge economy.

They they are massively deployed, that they are somebody that we really have to be concerned about. I'm glad you bring it bring that up because we can no longer pretend that we're the big kid on the block. And and unfortunately, the the tyrants that have been running Washington DC for the last 30 years have done this to us going back to I think going back to Clinton would would be my thought I know that Nixon's aim. What was was hopefully to find some kind of grounds. And I wonder, you know, you mentioned about the golden age, man, I'm going in several different directions in my head here, john, please forgive me. You know, you talk about the golden age, I hold to that, that the fall of the wall in Russia was was really planned by the communists in the background, in order to suck American money in, because they knew the only way they could take us down was if they entangled us in their economy. I think they may have been looking at China and what China was doing with us and said, Hey, that's a pretty good idea.

We'll try that over here. And together, we can topple them. Yeah, listen, no doubt about it. Our hand was really outplayed with with between now and show and lie and Mr. Kissinger and Nixon.

Look, supposedly very smart people. We got duped and we wanted to fool ourselves. You know, Greg, as well as I do. Americans go around the world. Everybody loves us. You know why? Because we're friendly. We want them to like us. We want to like them. And that's our basic instinct. And in China, they laugh at that. Okay, I can just tell you that they laugh at that.

And they played us like a fiddle for 30 or 40 years until it was convenient for them to change. And that's what's happened. All right. So let's so let's talk about that.

We've got about seven, eight minutes left. Two things. One, I want your thoughts on brick. And, and number two, I want your thoughts because it kind of ties together, but I want your thoughts on what seems to be Gigi pings objective, which is to turn the one into the the international currency.

Yeah, look, I think brick itself is kind of an artificial amalgam. It there's, yeah, they're all kind of similar economies, you know, Brazil, Russia, you know, China, and so forth. But politically, they're very different. My view is, we're actually doing a reasonably good job. I'm surprised to hear myself say that I'm sure you're saying, you're surprised to we're doing a reasonably good job at romancing Mr. Modi in India.

To me, that is the key. But we've got to do the only thing that will prevent Gigi pang from advancing into Taiwan. And again, his stupidity and delusional nature may get the best of them in any event, is for us to surround him with a web of democracies that are against his intentions, and that includes India. Sure.

Sure. So So my view is, if we can continue to romance India, and get them on our side, I know, I know they're gonna play both sides against the millet. That's what they're trying to figure out who's the real power player here is the I mean, if the United States would actually step up and be who she's supposed to be, Modi would connect with us.

Correct. I completely agree. And then India, look, you and I know, India's got a whole lot more in common with us than they do with Russia. Okay, well, I'm doing a ton of ministry in Punjab, India right now, as I mentioned to you, we're, you know, we planted 750 churches there, we're seeing a lot of conversion take place, we actually have connections now they're getting ready to start a Christian political party in Punjab, which is crazy.

But but but but there I mean, there is revival. And and the people there are saying, Hey, we like we like this, we like what we hear. It's empowering it, you know, all of these things. And and I know that Modi is a is a is a Hindu nationalist, but the Hindus are are very able to comprehend our, our worldview, our ideology, what it is that we're trying to accomplish. And I think, you know, we could get them to, to, to potentially embrace that, if we do it the right way. I think we can. I mean, look, I realized his so called Hindu nationalism gives a lot of people concern, as it should.

Sure. But But, look, India is a very tough place to govern, as you understand, very directly. I think India is a key to our future in the Pacific. Well, it's the second largest nation population in the world. And it's interesting. I remember when I first was, you know, ministering over there, my my initial thought was, is I'm ministering kind of in like a third world country. And then I, I the Lord really had to open my eyes.

And I realized, I'm not. I mean, yes, I'm really I'm I'm ministering to a lower caste. But these, I mean, they're they experience everything we experience here, and then some, and they are pursuing education there. I mean, there's so much it's so rich, and I just I love the Indian people.

Because they're, they're, they're, they're just so much like we like we are, and we don't realize how closely aligned we could be. Yeah, I agree. And I hope it happens. No, I do.

I do too. The one though, I'm concerned about some of these deals, the Saudi deal with Iran, and what does that mean? And obviously, you've got the Royals that are just kind of trying to hang on, you know, to their power down there.

What is your sense with regards to the economic chess pieces that are being played right now? Well, I think you alluded to it a few minutes ago, I think we would do far better, Pastor Greg, if we had better leadership in Washington, I'm not just talking about the political leadership, I'm talking about the military leadership, etc. I mean, when you go back and you you read our condition in the United States, right before World War Two, it's not unparalleled to where we are right now. We were so focused on our own internal divisions, that we didn't see the forest for the trees.

I think we got the same situation. Look, we've got to figure out how to have a good relationship with the Saudis because like it or not, we're not getting off hydrocarbons anytime soon. And we need those guys. And I'd like to think they need us too. Well, and and I like to think that we would, you know, open up our own pipelines and and and, you know, start moving back to being an exporter rather than an importer. I mean, we've got a lot of resources that would be a benefit not only to our own internal economy, but also to the world economy as a whole. And and it's a whole lot better for the world when when when the good guys are calling some of the shots versus the bad guys being the ones making all the decisions. I think our friendship with the Middle East would actually significantly improve if we did what you just said. Yeah, it seems like it.

I mean, I do a lot of coverage on Israel and and you know, Israel I know is extremely disappointed in in the direction that that the United States has taken in the last few years, especially in light of the direction that they started to take under President Trump. Yeah, well, hopefully we can get back to that. That would be wonderful.

That would be wonderful. Best place for folks to reach you at John and and and and how can how can our how can our audience be a blessing to you, brother? They can go to my website, which is JD coons dot com j d k u h n s.com. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna change the graphic here really quick. I had boganville llc.com up my apologies, but no problem. But I'll I'll I'll very quickly get that get that change. So j d goons k coons.com. Got it?

And that and that's going up right now. John, thank you so much for being for being with me today. I really appreciate it. I hope that you have have enjoyed the conversation that I certainly have.

Of course I did. You get all of me anytime. I look forward to speaking with you again. That sounds wonderful.

That sounds really, really good. Hang tight for one second, if you would. We got to take a break, folks. Our number three is coming up Don Jan's and I are going to talk about this ideology issue. And then bottom of the next half hour we'll have chaps will be with us. And we'll be talking about the LGBTQ agenda and what it's doing to our kids. Back with more Children Generation Radio coming up right after this.