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My passion is the fight for freedom. My father fought for a World War II defending our country. Today we are no longer fighting with guns. Instead, we are fighting an ideological battle for control of our country by contributing to causes that support your constitutional rights.

I am Patriot Mobile. That was a shooting gallery up there. I could hear the tremble in his voice. She suffered a very severe being. The video is pretty graphic. Justice for us seems almost impossible.

It's not fun to watch somebody die. And they knew she was in mortal peril. They have not asked the hard questions. Why was the Capitol intentionally unsecure that day? The FBI had information about security concerns before January 6th. They're out for blood and they're getting it. They appear to be winning. Were the actions of the Capitol Police out of line? Were there violations in use of force?

Now I describe it as an inside job. I'm ready to do whatever God calls me. There's an old Chinese saying my ancestors learned before the Communist Party took over our country. The family is the essential unit of human society and that you must have honor and defend your family.

But it's not always easy to do. When the regime gives the order, you have to kill. My heart was pounding. I felt my body bouncing and twisting on the floor. They put numbers on our shoulders, then separated us into rows of even and odd numbers.

I was number nine. My brother, he's still in prison. And my sister, she was sent to a labor camp without a trial. But there's one piece of evidence they haven't been able to destroy yet.

I left everything behind. If I can't expose what they did to us, then all of our suffering would be for nothing. Welcome to Chosen Generation with your host, Pastor Greg Young. But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people that you should shoe forth the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light which in time past were not a people but are now the people of God, which had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

And now, Chosen Generation, where no topic is off limits and everything is filtered through biblical glasses. And now, here's your host, Pastor Greg. And welcome to the program. Great to have you with me. Thanks so much for being here. I know you have a choice of where you can listen each and every day. Thank you for keeping it tuned here to Chosen Generation Radio. And thank you for watching us on TECN TV and across our social media platforms as well.

Well, I'm excited. We've got a great program lined up for you today. Don't forget at the bottom of our next hour, we start our India service.

So we will be live in India with one of our outreaches. And we've just been having amazing things happen at the outreaches as we share, as I share my testimony, share the gospel and pray for people. Last week, we had 60 salvations.

The week before that, 123. We've had every week we're having people that are reporting healings and a variety of different healings as well and different ages. So God is really moving and we continue to grow our ministry in Punjab, India. And if you'd like to learn more about that, go to cg4i.com, cg4i.

That's chosengenerationforindia.com, the number four. Also coming up, Adrienne Kabecki is with us, the general counsel from Poland. We'll talk about their stand against the LGBTQ agenda. And Dr. Robert Waples joins us, is social justice just? A friend of mine, Elgin Hutchbeck, wrote a book. And his hypothesis is that if you put an adjective in front of justice, you no longer have justice.

You have an agenda. And we'll talk about that with Dr. Waples coming up. Joining me right now though, very pleased to have him, first time on the program.

His mom, Lay, has been with us before. And joining us now is Robert Borden. Robert, welcome. Good to have you with us.

Classic curriculum. Great to be here. Excited to have you, hear about you in India. We've actually just expanded into India with our homeschool service, classical conversations, and just excited to talk about all the things that are going on in the world around us today. There's a lot happening.

There is an awful lot happening. And it really begins in the world of education. The indoctrination, right, that's been happening. Yeah, the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.

And for years, Christian parents have been giving up their God-given rights and responsibilities to the state. And we see the fruit of that today in our society. You know, it's interesting, and I've talked with your mom a little bit about this, but you know, you're coming from a little bit younger generation, so I'd like to get your thoughts on. There are two schools of thought. One of them is, you know, we need to homeschool our kids.

We need to get them on a firm foundation, get them set, get them ready and so forth. The other one is, oh no, no, I need to send my child into the public school system because they're missionaries and they're ambassadors and they're, you know, they're there to, you know, impact and let their salt and their light shine. Can you talk to me about your perspective on that and, you know, and what you saw? Yeah, I mean, I don't agree with sending kids who are not trained missionaries to be missionaries. We know the Old Testament said for priests, you know, to be in their late 20s, you know, Jesus started his ministry in his late 20s, so we have not seen children going out to be missionaries modeled to us. And the Bible actually says that evil corrupts good, and so, you know, that idea of our children are going to be salt and light is just not based in reality. And so as Christian parents, we need to fight for Christian education for our children, that if all wisdom comes from the Bible, a system that rejects truth, Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the light cannot educate our kids properly. And so we see these depressing statistics now of teen suicide, increase in LGBT because people don't know where their identity truly lies, and this isn't just, you know, kids who are pagans, but these are our church kids as well, because you can't color a picture of Noah for an hour at Sunday school once a week and think you're going to survive this salt of an eight hour a week, five days for a 12 year public school system that doesn't believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. Well, and also when Noah is presented in Sunday school as kind of a cartoon character, almost, you know, like, I mean, I would refer to Saturday morning cartoons, except there isn't such a thing as Saturday morning cartoons anymore.

There's just the Cartoon Network where kids can plug in and watch cartoons all day long and learn nothing. But, you know, it's that same kind of thought process, right? If Noah is presented as a cartoon, and if parents are presented as incompetent, you know, bobbleheads, then, you know, the kids are being trained to believe that their authority figures and the church are all a facade.

Yeah, absolutely. And when we see the church shut down during COVID like they did in so many places, the church is reaffirming that. And when the church isn't sticking up and putting in systems in place and encouraging its members to give Christian education to Christian children, they're just reinforcing what the world is offering. We saw in Daniel when the Babylonians took over the Jews that the first thing they did was take their best and brightest students and educate them publicly so they could be in service to the King of Babylon. And so whenever we have the government paying for education or the government controlling education, all we're doing is sending our Christian kids to be educated in a way to serve the state.

And the Bible is really clear that we need to serve Jesus Christ. So that transition is as well into the conversation about the Biden policy of loan forgiveness and so forth. Is that the main, the big issue? Is it really about control? Who has control then and who has the say over the curriculum, over what you're going to learn, over how you're going to be directed? Yeah, I mean, it's part of this idea of no absolute truth of the idea that the government should be your daddy instead of your parents. It's the idea of giving away tax dollars because those who go to college are the people that typically vote Democrat. And so they're making people who didn't go to college through inflation and through the expanding of the federal debt to now pay for the education of the people that chose to go to college. So they want choices, be it to take choices without consequences. And this is another step in that direction. He also doesn't have the constitutional authority.

The purse string is in the house. And so it's really a way for the Democrats to try to cater to their base and cater to this idea that consequences shouldn't be resolved. I was pulling up, of course, you know how YouTube loves to just automatically fire things off without, without permission. But this was an older video, Tulane University political scientist Melissa Harris-Perry, and to what we're talking about.

This is, I mean, this is her quote. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we've always had kind of a private notion of children. Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven't had a very collective notion of these are our children. So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. Once it's everybody's responsibility and not just the households, then we start making better investments. See, and doesn't, I mean, see the way they present it, doesn't it, it just kind of makes it sound like, yeah, well, we're taking the burden off of parents because that's how kids have been presented. Kids have been presented as being a burden. Here, here's, here's the vice president. World War I promised us a perpetual peace.

There we go. I mean, truly when you, you know, when you see our kids and I truly believe that they are our children, they are the children of our country, of our communities. I mean, our future is really bright if we, if we prioritize them and therefore prioritize the climate crisis and the need to address it.

What if we think about our children prioritizing the need to bring our country together? I travel around the world. I've met a hundred world leaders either by phone or in person, talked with them, right? From prime ministers to presidents, to kings, to chancellors. And we still, as the United States can walk in these rooms with a certain level of authority to talk about the importance of democracy, the importance of rule of law, the importance of, of human rights. And that gives us standing in the world. And when we continue to invest in our country and invest in those priorities, I think it's for the betterment of everyone.

But certainly when we think about it in terms of the future of our children, I think we have a great responsibility. It's see again, it's, it's, it's how they transition the conversation, isn't it, Robert? I mean, they, they, they, they, they mix in a couple of, of positives, so to speak. The only one I really heard there was is that America has a role in influencing the rest of the world in a, in a, in a positive way towards freedom and liberty.

Yeah, so they are really good. Of course, we know Satan in the garden said, did God really say? And so these ideas that are based in some truth are twisted in such a way to sound good to those who are receiving them, but are from the pit of lies. And so they are your children.

The Bible is very clear about that God gives children to families and families love their children in a way that a cold heartless state could never love them. When we empower parents to make, make those decisions for the state, not to take that authority away from them, then we see positive results, but we've seen, you know, the outworking of what government schools have done to our children. We see that a recent study showed that 14% of teen girls have been sexually assaulted in public schools are reading level and math scores for 13 year olds are at decade lows. So the schools aren't able to when, when our responsibilities are given to somebody else who isn't designed by natural law to have those responsibilities, the results are catastrophic and the costs are significantly higher. What we see in homeschooling, the average homeschool family spends six to $700 a year homeschooling their kids. If they're in a program like ours, it might be a thousand dollars or $1,500 a year, but the school systems are spending 15,000, 20,000, $25,000 a year. And these are public schools.

Public schools cost significantly higher than private schools and all that is taken from the taxpayers. And another reason that they want to say there are children is because the left and pagans are not having children of their own. And so our birth rates among conservatives and among Christians, we are above replacement rate, but overall as a culture, the number of children being born is not enough. And so we're going to see that in a college cliff here. We're going to see that in the employment cliff. We're already seeing that where you have a, you know, help wanted signs everywhere.

So we're just going to continue to see this. And really the left hates children. You can see it because they're not having their own and children aren't a burden.

They're a blessing. Well and the whole idea too that, you know, mom is not mom anymore. Mom is a birther. Yes. I mean, how denigrating to a woman that one of the things that really completely sets her apart and elevates her and makes her so incredibly unique is that she is the one that God chose to be, you know, the giver of life. And we have, you know, we've denigrated that now by just simply saying that, well, her body is just a place of incubation.

Yeah. Strong families create strong cultures and strong cultures do not succumb to Marxism and communism and socialism. And so the way to fight this that the left has seen is to destroy the family unit.

And so by degrading the family unit in every way possible, they are making it so that the government has more opportunity to control your kids and they are attacking parents. I often say parents have a Wizard of Oz syndrome where they feel like they need someone to tell them that they are more than capable of raising their children. You know, just like the lion needed someone to tell them they had a heart and the scarecrow needed someone to tell them they had a brain. Parents, you already have everything you need to educate your children well.

You have love. You don't need to be an expert in every single subject. There's materials out there for you. But the state has drilled into you that you are not enough, that you are less than.

And I'm going to tell you that that's a lie, that you are more than capable of raising your own children. We have been doing that for thousands of years and doing it successfully, that the modern public school experiment is only 150 years old. And the fruit of it is, you know, suicide, depression, and all of these things that we're seeing in culture.

And guess what? Kids can't read and write and do simple math. ClassicalConversations.com is the website. I'm putting that up on the screen right now for those that are watching ClassicalConversations.com. You mentioned about parents being or having a sense of being overwhelmed.

And I have heard that a lot. We've homeschooled our children. But that's one of the things that I hear is, I don't think I'm capable of doing this. I'm not able to, you know, find the materials or the resources that I need. It's expensive. Or I don't have, I can't find the time. I don't know how to work and do homeschool together.

I know we've got about five minutes left or so. Can you kind of try to rattle off a couple of those answers to those statements? I'm sure you hear them as well. Yeah, so, you know, anything that's worth doing requires sacrifice. And of course, the biggest expense is always giving up an income. Although we see many homeschool parents working full time, or of course, there's the work from home now or working part time.

But it is a lifestyle choice that is empowering your family and saying that raising my children up is the most important thing. Really homeschooling is an opportunity for us to regain our own education. As parents, we're continually being able to model and we don't have to know everything. We just have to stay about one second ahead of our students saying, hey, I don't know this. Let's go to Google.

Let's go to the encyclopedia. Let's go check out what the Bible has to say and model that learning for them. There's so many resources now for parents from homeschool groups to websites.

There's online, there's in-person groups like Classical Conversations to help you out with that. And then I also always tell parents, if you're not capable of teaching your third grader, why send them to the same institution that made you as an adult, incapable of sending them? So you're just doing the same thing over and over again. We need to break out of the rat race. We need to break out of the box that society has tried to put us in and really fulfill our God-given destiny. He does not give responsibility to people without giving them the ability to fulfill that responsibility.

And so if he's given you children, he will give you the ability to fulfill that. And we do that in community because, you know, it does. There are hard days.

There's times where you have to, you know, go run errands and things like that. And so when you have other believers and other homeschoolers around you and you are working together, not abdicating your responsibility to a different system, but lifting each other up, then you can see wonderful results. And we see average kids all the time performing significantly.

Above average, we hear parents saying, you know, I didn't know this, or I didn't like this subject when I was growing up, but now I love it. I can't believe all the things that I'm learning with my kid. And the time commitment is not, don't bring school home.

I mean, most homeschoolers in high school maybe spend three hours a day. You can do it, like, with my young kids, my eight-year-old and six-year-old, you know, we spend an hour to two hours a day with them in formal learning. So a lot of it is, you know, hey, let's go to the grocery store. Let's look at the, let's run these errands. Let's learn to make our bed. And so all of these things are educational. We gotta break the paradigm that going to a square building made of bricks is where you get education. The world is our classroom. The Bible is our guide.

And when we put first things first, everything else is added to us. It's really taking your kids on in the form of discipleship. I mean, that's really, it is really discipleship 101. Only your disciple lives with you. But, you know, isn't that what Jesus had, right? His disciples, they live together.

And, you know, it's interesting because this is where it gets folks where the left is able to spin this. Because they'll hear Robert and they'll say, well, he said, you know, community, you work together as a community to raise the child. Isn't that what we're saying?

No. Because what we're saying is, is that the parent is the ultimate authority. And they are the ultimate person of responsibility. The child is the parent's responsibility. Now within community, and like-minded community, I might add, we share helping one another in almost, it's like, you know, when we talk about church family, right? You know, your church family is by blood, only it's the blood of Christ rather than the blood of your mom or the blood of your dad.

But it's still family. And so therefore there is a community, but the responsibility for that child rests with the parent. And the government doesn't want parents to take that responsibility. I would just challenge you if your kids are in government institutions right now, take a day off work and tell the school that you're going to sit in all your classes with your kid. I'd be amazed if they tell you you're allowed to do that. I was just going to say, and your first clue is going to be where they're going to tell you, well, you can be here for these hours, but you can't be here for this part of the instruction. And I tell folks in my program all the time, think about this, this is your child.

And yet they tell you that you have to have their permission in order to take your child out of that building, their permission. That doesn't make sense. Robert, thank you so much. I appreciate you being with me today. Classicalconversations.com. Classicalconversations.com is the website. There it is right there.

You can see it. Christian group homeschool. And as they say, you're their first teacher, be their best teacher, and they will help you accomplish that. It's a lot more economically feasible than you might think. And we've had a number of friends over the years that have had a grandma that has watched the kids during the day, and then they come home and they shore things up in the evening before everybody goes to bed.

It is very doable, and I would encourage you to really seriously look at it, especially in light of what's happening in the indoctrination of our kids today. Robert, thank you for you and your family fighting this good fight for so many out there. Greatly appreciate it.

Yeah. Happy to do it, and thanks for having me on today. You bet. My pleasure. All right. Adrian Kubicki joins us, the general counsel out of New York for Poland, and we'll talk about his battle with the LGBTQ Poland's fight to maintain a biblical worldview. And we'll have that coming up for you right after this brief break. I'm your host, Pastor Greg.

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And welcome back to Chosen Generation Radio, where no topic is off limits and everything filtered through biblical glasses. I'm very, very excited to have my next guest back on the program with me. He is the General Counsel in New York for Poland, and I am very pleased to have Adrian Kabicki back on the program with us. Adrian, welcome. Good to have you back. Thank you for being here. Thank you.

Thank you for having me again. So a little bit of wintery weather in New York at the end of June. That's kind of interesting. Still waiting for the summer to kick in. For whatever reason, we didn't have winter, and it seems that we're not going to have summer either, so it's really weird. Very strange, very strange. Strange times that we're in. In general sense, maybe weather reflects some things that are going on in general sense. It could be.

It could be. You guys are in a bit of a battle with the European Union. Well, first of all, just as a slight bit of background, explain to my audience, if you would, what does, what's the purpose of the European Union? Why have, because it seems as though it was a surrender, if you will, of national sovereignty to a union.

So exactly on the contrary, actually. The idea, the initial idea of European Union was never about giving up the sovereignty or the national identity towards some sort of federal body that will be governed from Brussels, and irrespectfully to the needs and interests of particular member countries will implement certain policies. This has changed perhaps over certain amount of years, when the European Union was extended by numerous countries, including Poland in 2004, was one of the biggest extension of the European Union. And obviously, Poland and other countries of our region joined the structure of European Union in a sense as a weaker partner or aspiring emerging partner and a member, a partner that obviously had to meet certain criteria.

And we've met those criteria, but obviously still having the long way ahead to catch up with the West. I think to some extent, to surprise of at the time already existing old European Union countries, our region, Central and Eastern Europe, started to catching up very quickly, probably quicker than it was expected by some other countries. And I think this is something that is not only our perspective, but we share that perspective with many countries, including United States of America, that this shifting of gravity in many senses, but also economic-wise, social-wise, is shifting towards the Eastern Europe. And maybe that imposes or is perceived a certain threat to the old European countries that try to still federalize the European Union structure, which Poland is, and other countries of our region, is strongly against. We believe that Europe should remain a Europe of nation united in certain fields. We don't have boundaries with the borders between our current countries.

So this is unlimited flow of people, the joint labor policies. To some extent, we try to appear as one body in terms of potential interesting market for investments. So there are certain fields that we kind of act as a one body. But there has never been any idea when the European Union was established that this is about giving up the sovereignty for the Brussels and the court quarters of the European Union. The bottom line is that we believe that what was the ground rule of the European Union, that the creation of the Europe of nations, so united Europe of nations, this is something we believe in.

But as an entity, there are people within the entity, as I listen to MPs talk and give speeches on the floor and so on, and have interviewed some MPs at CPAC actually a few years back, there are those that are saying that there is an undercurrent of saying, look, you're going to, you know, follow and this was part of our topic today, you're going to follow ESG, you're going to follow DEI, the diversity, equity and inclusion and the environmental and social and governance, you're going to follow these, we're going to shove these down your throat, we're going to make you do this, or you're not going to get to play in our sandbox, so to speak. So yes, we see and we experienced certain ways of weaponizing some of the tools that the European Union has and can use and is actually using against its members. And obviously, it's all about funds, it's all about monies that are going through the European Union to certain member countries.

So these tools are trying to be used. But the very deep irony in all of that is that it's still the core rule of the European Union that all those decisions that we are discussing have to be implemented by the unified voice of every, each and every member of the European Union, which, by the way, is also something that some of the member countries try to change to the majority voting, which will be obviously against. So we have a veto power and other countries also have a veto power. We're not going to give up on some of the principles that the European Union has been built upon. And we're speaking of it because there is also a little bit of propaganda being spread that perhaps that means that we want to follow the UK. And is this creating a path to exiting the European Union?

None of it is true. One of the greatest accomplishments of Polish people and Poland as a state was actually leaving this borderline where we had to meet the criteria to join the European Union. And Polish people voted proudly that they want to be a member of the European Union structure.

And that hasn't changed. We are proud members of the European Union and we want to be in, but we want to be in on the equal basis, the same as Germany, the same as France. And we really want to not only have that on paper, but also have this sense that our vote is equally important and equally listened. Whereas you touched upon some of the issues that are being discussed among the member countries of the European Union. Some of the regulations are obviously more favorable to the conditions or circumstances that the Western European countries are existing in disobeying, ignoring some of the obvious concerns that the countries of our region with our own specificity try to bring up and show.

And this is something that we obviously have to be against because our national interest or even more importantly, maybe the interest of our region is more important than obviously all those attempts to try to push us a little bit off and impose certain regulations that are exactly against this interest. Because strong Poland, just to make it clear, strong Poland, strong Eastern Europe is right now the core and the most instrumental for the security, safety, and the strength of the entire Europe. And when you go down the list of the 27 member countries, historically, every one of these countries has a strong Christian foundation in its history. European Union was created on the Christian foundation. Let's not forget that the creator, the person who came up with the idea of the European Union is right now considered the Christian saint, the Catholic saint, Mr. Schumann.

So this is exactly what we are trying to point out, that the European Union has shifted very far away from its course that has been built on. And we try to bring it back at least to make it loud and clear that these are the values that were behind the European Union. And I understand that the times are changing, but these core values should not change. And it's interesting you make the statement and I think that that is part of their whole deal, well, times are, we're in different times now, but these are principles that have served mankind for 6,000 years.

I mean, these are the principles upon which healthy societies and cultures are built. And we've seen what happens to societies and cultures that throw them out. Poland, as an example, we talked about this in one of your previous visits, was under the former Soviet Union, under a godless, oppressive communist regime. And so you guys better than anyone, and I know there's others on the list, Slovakia would be one, Luxembourg would be Latvia, Lithuania, but you guys have all experienced what it's like to be under a godless, I'm trying to think of the right word, something arky.

Something arky. I hear you, but not only the dark experience and what is it like actually, how this world eventually is set up when there is no faith and no core values that we all believe in. But I think it's more than that. I think that through that time, those values and that faith help Polish people to prevail. And I think that we will prevail again. The thing is that obviously we can have a long discussion why we do believe that these values, these core Christian values should be cherished. But this is a little bit side of discussion, there will always be an opposition saying that there is different set of values that we should cherish and we will have to debate. But I think more objectively, there is something else that creating or being a part of European Union is a part of a broader agreement.

If someone wants to change that agreement, you have to have a consent of all the parties involved. And I think that we are going through the momentum where the ground basis of this agreement are attempted to be changed by certain countries and certain influence. And this is really up to us how resistant are we going to remain in not agreeing to those values. As I said, on one hand, there are certain tools that European Union can use in many discussions with Poland, with Hungary, with other countries. But there is another aspect of it, that Europe is not able to exist economically without Poland and without other countries of our region.

And I think that the time has come, perhaps due to certain developments, even recent. This Russian invasion in the Ukraine helped also a little bit to raise among our people this self-awareness. We just learned about the importance of ourselves and we are gaining this internal strength that we never had. We were always felt for years poorer, behind, dependent on the Western Europe. But recently that has changed. We gained a strong sense of identity, of our meaning, of our strength. And this is a process that you are not able to stop.

You will see a major change. This shift will continue, whether someone likes it or not, where the center of the economic growth is actually already in Poland. If you look at the numbers, they are much higher than for the Western European countries. Not mentioning that we provide most of the supplies right now in many fields, in many industries. We are a brain powerhouse for the entire Europe.

And really, I saw an article, I don't remember which paper was it, and here in the United States of America, that Poland has actually become one of the core engines for Europe, for the European Union and for the Western world. And you're not going to change it. No one can change the process. And the old Europe might actually have a few different choices, either agree to it and start to collaborate, start to take into consideration our perspective on certain things, and try to build relation, to renew this relation upon that, or try to dominate, which is not going to be successful.

Unfortunately, in many aspects, we see this second type of approach, these attempts to dominate. And it might buy certain time to the Western European countries, but they're not going to change. First of all, they will not make us give up on the European Union and exit the European Union. Secondly, we will grow anyway, because this is the circle of history. The Western Europe had its momentum now, the time and the power and everything is in Eastern Europe, whether someone likes it or not.

All right. So let's talk about the issue of, again, going back to the ESG, the DEI, the diversity, the battleground. Now, I'm reading a statement here, I believe that this is coming from one of the leaders in Poland. It says, Poland's government stands strong behind the position that gay marriage and adoption is damaging to children and is a threat to traditional structure of a family. Many countries have already given in to this extremist ideology that goes against the traditional Christian values that many Poles have, and they do not want to follow the same path. The most recent protest over the weekend in Warsaw even featured foreign politicians like the mayor of Paris telling Poland that they should follow suit with what other countries are doing.

She, and I don't have the quote of who she is, but I'm sure you probably will be able to tell us, stated, we will not let ourselves be influenced by those who want to extinguish women's rights, minority rights, LGBT rights. And today I want to say to you that in Paris, just as in Warsaw, we're also totally in solidarity and engage with you for the rights of transgender. This is what the, oh, okay, that was the mayor of Paris' message to Poland that they need to get on board with this LGBTQ agenda.

Well the Warsaw is ruled by a library mayor who invited, as I understand, the mayor of Paris to the parade that happened a few days ago in Poland and Warsaw. And let me state, and this is the very general, but very important statement that Poland is a country safe for people of all kinds of beliefs and backgrounds and everything else. One of the things that probably even differ us from other countries of the Western Europe is that actually in Poland you can peacefully protest, you can emphasize your faith. And Poland historically, if you look through the history, excluding this period of time when Poland was under occupation, Poland was always a country of tolerance. But with that being said, Poland is also devoted, the nation of Poland, the Polish society, the Polish people are very devoted to the core values that Poland was built upon. And statistics show that Polish people do not approve this push of changing or implementing the agenda of this particular community. And that is reflected in Polish law that says that the family is built upon the marriage between a woman and a woman, and this is the family.

So and period, and obviously there are different influences and different forces that are trying to push us towards implementing more library laws and policies. But it's not going to happen even if in any feasible or not feasible future. And I think it's actually a big shame that the opposition in Poland is trying to weaponize this subject, manipulating people that are members even of this community. Because realistically speaking, from the political standpoint, none, even the most leftist governments in Poland were able to implement any law that grants any particular rights to this group of people.

Why? Because this is against the vote and the will of majority people that are committed to their Christian values. And even though they might make those promises that might lit the fire in a sense under the expectations of those people, I don't believe that any of the law can be implemented. To make a significant step forward in favor of this agenda.

So this is just irresponsible in my view. But as I said, this is where exactly people decide and none of the institution will actually have an influence on that, whether we will move forward or stay where we are with our strong belief in this field, but also in other fields that this is actually the right thing to do, to stay where we are and watch how some of these societies are falling apart. Let's shift for just a minute and talk about the response to the conflict that continues in Ukraine and what's happening over there. You and I have talked before, your belief has always been that ultimately Ukraine is going to prevail in defending their country and defending their nation.

Do you still believe that that is the case? And what do you see as the resolve of, for example, the EU in being a part of the solution in helping support the Ukrainian effort to defend their own borders? Well, we are approaching or maybe we are right in probably the most crucial and the most important phase of the war. I think this summer season, maybe early fall before the cold comes in and the winter comes in, is the more important for Ukrainians to make this progress that we are all expecting and all waiting for. And thanks to the support of Poland and the allies of Poland, the great support of the United States, I'm sorry, of America, it is achievable. It's possible to achieve, but I think we also have to face the fact that the world is starting to be exhausted by this conflict and we feel that this is very unfortunate that so many voices are being brought up of giving up or loosen up this flow of support that is being provided to Ukraine, that if Ukraine is not able to achieve this success over the summer season, I think we will hear even more of those voices.

As I said, we don't think that way. We think we should continue providing Ukraine with the support that might eventually lead to their victory, which is victory not only for Ukraine, but for the entire Western civilization, put this full stop on Russia and karyalis plans and ideas. We've talked about it already a couple of times, but realistically speaking, this is the moment where we should all join and unite ourselves to the extent that it's unprecedented to make sure that they utilize the time that they're having right now, because this is the most substantial time probably in the history of this conflict. We've touched on it, but we haven't talked a lot about it, but when you look at the map, you've got Lithuania, you've got Latvia, and you've got Poland that are all vulnerable border-wise should Russia and Belarus fully create a front. And every indication is that if Putin is successful in crushing Ukraine, his intention is to move through Belarus into Latvia and Lithuania, and now that puts Poland, Hungary, and Romania at great risk. Am I missing something here? No, this is the perspective.

It sounds pretty unreal as we speak about it. And obviously that would have to be a very bold step, or it's probably still the case that Russia is not capable, that they don't have capacity to run this operation since they haven't been even able to successfully take over Ukraine, which was supposed to be a lot more vulnerable since they are not a NATO member as Poland is and other countries are. So it's not very feasible, but again, this is the long-term strategy. And if you let me remind you, and the people there listen to us, what happened during the Second World War, when the Soviet-Nazi conflict broke out eventually, and Soviets started their mission against Germans, pushing them back, they went through Poland and eventually their stop was in Berlin, just saying that it's not that eventually this conflict will end in Poland and Lithuania or Latvia. Russia's imperialist plans have no limits, and they will knock on the doors, maybe even American doors, at some point if we're not going to stop them, something that people still should realize. Here, here.

We're going to have to end at that statement, but I think that you make a very, very significantly important argument that needs to be understood about Putin's aspirations, the empirical aspirations that he's been talking about for 20 years, 30 years, quite frankly, even as an officer of KGB. So thank you for that. I greatly appreciate it. Adrian Kubicki, Consul General Poland in New York, thanks for joining us tonight. Thank you very much. Absolutely. Thank you. All right, our number three is coming up. Dr. Robert Waples will be with us.

Social justice, can an adjective change justice? We'll talk about that coming up right after this break. I'm your host, Pastor Greg. Thank you so much. Oh, my sincere pleasure, thank you so much for joining us, and we'll see you next time.
Whisper: medium.en / 2023-06-22 10:25:01 / 2023-06-22 10:44:01 / 19

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