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We'll travel up California's Highway 1 bound for Big Sur, taking in the sights and learning about the dark clouds on the horizon that threaten this sweeping American vista. As for our next stop, in President Biden's nearly four years in office, he's appointed just one justice to the United States Supreme Court, Katanji Brown Jackson. The first black woman to sit on the nation's highest court, her selection was the fulfillment of a promise Biden made in the 2020 campaign. This morning, in her first broadcast interview since being sworn in, we hear from Justice Jackson. She talks with Nora O'Donnell.
Visit Justice Katanji Brown Jackson's chambers. This is Justice Thurgood Marshall's mantle clock. And you'll see she's a student of history.
It is called Revolt on the Amistad. And well aware of her place in it. There's a fair amount of attention that comes with being the first, and when eyes are on you, you really do want to perform well. Coming up on Sunday morning, the 116th Justice speaks. A new play called The Roommate has just opened on Broadway, starring two real-life friends, Mia Farrow and Patti LuPone. Together they've seen and done just about everything on stage and screen. Everything that is except work together.
Until now, they discuss their joyful pairing with Seth Doan. Who decided to do this first? Mia.
You decided to do it? But it was dependent on Patti doing it. But they went to Mia first. Longtime friends with a lifetime of performing. And now finally together on Broadway. It was perhaps a feeling of maybe, is this it? Or might there be one last adventure?
Mia Farrow and Patti LuPone. Later this Sunday morning. From New Year's Eve to American Idol, Ryan Seacrest is known as one of the busiest people on television. But as he tells Luke Burbank, he'll take on one more assignment if it's a chance to spin that famous game show wheel. Now we're kicking off the party. He spent his entire career playing host in one way or another, but his newest role might be his biggest yet. Welcome to Wheel of Fortune. I am your host, Ryan Seacrest. Does this feel the way you thought it would feel?
No. It's like you're walking into a home that has been built and people have lived there and they've hosted their friends for many, many years and you walk in and you just want to get a coaster to put your drink down so you don't leave a stain on the coffee table. Ryan Seacrest takes a spin in his new digs ahead on Sunday morning.
Speaking of Hollywood multitaskers, Kelefa Sanneh catches up with the multi-talented Natasha Lyon, plus a diversion at a museum dedicated to the Greyhound bus. Jim Gaffigan labors under the challenges of a three-day weekend. And more on this Sunday morning for the first day of September 2024.
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Highway one is a singular experience. And this winding 70-mile stretch, hugging the steep coastline of Big Sur, is why bucket lists exist. What do you think of this coastline driving up and down here? I think it's phenomenal. For tourists like Linda Carroll of St. Paul, Minnesota, the feeling is divine. If you didn't believe in God and you were down here, you definitely would have to because it's just spectacular. So does this view ever get old?
No, because it's always changing. Kirk Gaffill has spent his life on the bluffs of Big Sur. He runs Nepenthe Restaurant, where the tables come with a view so wide, it shifts your perspective. Gaffill's grandparents first moved here in 1947, after Hollywood royalty moved out. They bought the property from Rita Hayworth and Orson Welles, who had just had bought the property a couple of years earlier on their honeymoon trip, and then got divorced. And so they decided to build a restaurant.
Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton filmed scenes at Nepenthe for the 1965 film The Sandpiper. But the true star of the show around here has always been Highway 1, opened in 1937 in a burst of optimism at the end of the Great Depression. So this road, Highway 1, has been a part of your entire life?
Yeah, it is the part of Big Sur that is fundamental to living here, to having a business here, and so access is everything. And right now, there are signs of trouble in paradise. As we sit here today, the road is closed just south of here. What does that do to your business? It represents about a 30 to 35 percent drop in business levels. We know these closures are going to happen.
It's just a matter of when, not if. It's almost become an annualized event. Fierce storms from two back-to-back wet winters have battered the Santa Lucia Mountains, causing landslides that have buried and broken the road in four places. When the bridge fell north of here, and we had a big landslide to the south, we lived in what we call the island.
So we were essentially closed off. Beautiful what you've done with it, too. Magnus Toren lives in Big Sur, where he runs the Henry Miller Memorial Library, dedicated to the writer who helped put the area on the map in the 1950s. This is the California the man dreamed of years ago. This is the face of the earth, as the creator intended it to look. Wow. It's almost as dramatic as the landscape. Right, right. Toren lives just a few miles from where Highway 1 comes to an abrupt end, closed to the south for nearly two years. Are you concerned in the future that this road and this situation here becomes more precarious? Of course.
I mean, who wouldn't be? I've asked the question, can we continue to keep this highway open forever, when it gets so assaulted by landslides and also fires? Scientists say climate change is fueling more frequent and intense wildfires and more powerful winter storms, a potent mix that increases the risk of landslides in an area already prone to them. In the past five years, California has spent nearly $230 million repairing just this stretch of Highway 1. I mean, that's real money.
That is real money, absolutely. But it's an important roadway for California. This is part of the original road. Tony Tavares is director of California's Department of Transportation. You know, climate change is something that I think nationally we talk about in the distant future. Here in California, we're experiencing it every day. Further up the coast, erosion forced Caltrans to move sections of Highway 1 400 feet inland.
But with mountains on one side and the Pacific on the other, there's nowhere to go along Big Sur. Is it possible to make this thing resilient in the face of what's to come? We are doing our best. We believe it's possible. I can tell you right now, we're not abandoning this roadway. Is Highway 1 simply too big to fail? I would say it is too important to fail, absolutely.
And while there are certainly easier places to live, Magnus Toren says there are none more beautiful. For so many of us who come through here on a road trip, this is a once in a lifetime thing. Yeah. This is your every day. It is, yeah. I do sometimes pinch myself and think, how could I have been so lucky? Yeah, so I'm very grateful. Are you having fun? Fun is for suckers, Max.
Two minutes ago I turned 36 and staring down the barrel of my own mortality always beats fun. Even if she did just one thing, actor, director, writer, producer, Natasha Lyonne's style would be unmistakable. As California explains in our Sunday profile. How long has this been your neighborhood? I want to say, gosh, it's so hard to know when something is either 10 years or two, isn't it?
Some movie stars like Peace and Quiet, but Natasha Lyonne likes New York's East Village, where there's always something to talk about. My mother always used to tell me, and God, she was great at her job. You know, you never want to overwash the fruit so that you develop a straw. That's right. A strong immune system. And that's kind of why you want to make sure your kids are walking, sliding down these slides here at Tom Kids.
No shades in the neighborhood. It's my favorite. Lyonne, 45, has been an infectious presence on screen for decades.
Let me just clarify that you have no chance of scoring with me, Finch. Oh yeah, of course not. Playing characters who tend to be funny, perceptive, and a little weird. Is this it? Are we bourgeois now? What did you imagine at the beginning?
Well, this. No, I guess I always sort of saw it as a life in the arts. Maybe I had loftier ambitions, if I'm being honest. In the first place as a child, I always wanted a Lamborghini. She never got that car, but she's done pretty well without it. A former cult favorite now seems to be everybody's favorite. Time magazine recently named her one of the world's most influential people. Praising her for having the quote, rare magnetism of old Hollywood. And for being quote, the coolest person in the room. Hi.
Hi. She was a memorable presence from the start. First on Pee Wee's Playhouse.
Now can I see your mouth, old Pee Wee? Later in Woody Allen's Everyone Says I Love You. There's no way I'm getting married till I'm 35 and I've lived. And then I'll probably move in with a woman.
Were there moments where you felt like, oh, this is really working. Like, oh, I'm going to be an actor. Gee, I want to say yes.
But I think the answer is a hard no. Born and raised in New York City, Leon describes her childhood as chaotic. Her father was a boxing promoter and radio host.
Her mother, a gifted dancer. You knew enough to say like, I need to get away for my own sake. Yeah, I guess. What do you mean? I was a teenage runaway.
Sure. I didn't know, were you? I think so. I guess I was out of the house by about 15. But, you know, well, I was right down the street at NYU film school.
So that was your way of getting out. I think really I was very lucky that I was a serious reader. So I sort of had a mind that was open to, you know, many permutations of a world and a life and saw sort of exit strategies or even saw like a deflated mental state as something that was not uncommon.
By the 2000s, Leon was famous and sometimes infamous. She struggled with drug addiction and reportedly came close to dying. How tough were those years for you? I guess you're trying to ask me about my crazy drug years and why. And I'd say in part, I was a little bit curious about why the world was set up the way it was.
And I sort of wanted to go on the road and take a bit of my own sort of investigative reporting tour into what the world was actually about outside my limited world. I'm always very transparent around my whole history and mostly in the hopes that it's in some way can help the next guy. She rebuilt her life and her career playing Nicky Nichols on Orange is the New Black. I am not easy. You're slutty, not easy.
There's a difference semantically. These days, she's also a writer, director and producer. She co-created the acclaimed series Russian Doll. Oh my God, I am not crazy, okay? I am not crazy.
You know I hate it, but people call me crazy. And her company, Animal Pictures, helps produce her detective show, Poker Face. There's something off here. There's a lie.
I just need to find it. Which is currently shooting its second season. You want to watch this wing?
That's my new catchphrase. This is the part of the show where the journalist runs into the airplane. Be careful.
We visited Leonon set a few hours outside New York City. This show is fun. Is it different at the end of a day when you've been on a show that's fun like this one? I would say the difference is, first of all, they're all fun. You know, it's all a gift, honestly.
And also, none of them are fun because of the high anxiety of actually, you know, making something, making something on a budget, making a timeline. And action. You hear those stories about guys like Coppola just like waiting for the light to change. You know, you don't really have that privilege and I would say, especially as a female director, you know, my heart goes out to all of us because God forbid we ever stop to wait for the light to change.
Leonon doesn't seem to stop for anything. Rachel, you know you can't be doing that out here. F*** legal now. This month, she stars in a new film, His Three Daughters, alongside Elizabeth Olsen and Carrie Kuhn. They play sisters caring for their dying father. You know, he's my dad too. Just as much as he has both of yours. But you also had another dad. Who I never knew.
Azazelle Jacobs, the writer and director, created the role specifically for Leonon. We found these new like untapped depths, like a reservoir. For me, the question became, why? Why am I always like smoking and shutting it down and trying to self-destruct it away? What is that feeling underneath the feeling that I'm running from? And really being allowed to sit in that grief in a way was a whole new idea.
These on-screen questions have followed Leonon off-screen. Grief is a crazy concept. It's something that we don't talk about enough.
It's hard to talk about. Yeah, because it's happening every moment. Like we're grieving, you know, like what happened eight minutes ago, two minutes ago? Like you're in a constant state of grief. A garbage man is throwing a garbage can across four lanes.
This is a New York sport, garbage. What is that? Okay.
Natasha Leon always seems to be plotting her next adventure. I got all sorts of hot takes for our next CBS interview on what I think the afterlife actually is. Is this a simulation? I have ideas. Chances are. Chances are, statistics say. But you know, in the here and now, just having been on both sides of the street, I'd say there's only showbiz kids.
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It was like my favorite summary of how I felt that I was the person who was going to toil upward in the night, always toiling upward, as Henry Wadsworth Longfellow put it, is how the one hundred and sixteenth justice says she made history. I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
So help me God. As the first black female on the Supreme Court, what kind of pressure does that come with? I think there's a fair amount of attention that comes with being the first. And when eyes are on you, you really do want to perform well. And this first is determined she won't be the last. I'm still just so floored from being in this building.
She details her journey to the highest court in her memoir, Out Tuesday. The title, Lovely One. Yes. That's what your name means. It is.
It is. So my aunt was in the Peace Corps in Africa when I was born. And my parents really wanted to honor our heritage and asked her to send them a list of African names.
And they picked that one lovely one, Kitanji Onyeka, which is my given middle name. Her parents, John and Ellery Brown, grew up in the segregated south. But this middle class Miami couple had high hopes for their daughter. I was born within five years of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. So they were like, here's our opportunity to make sure that our daughter can do all the things that we didn't get to do. My parents had raised me to believe that I could do anything I wanted to do. That was my way of thinking about myself. You also write that your parents inspired a sense of perseverance.
They had a sense of perseverance. You know, my mother used to say, have you seen this being done before? Has anybody ever done this?
Well, if they have, then you can do it too. And that was the mindset that they really drilled into me. You keep going.
And that's exactly what she did. By high school, Katonji Brown was a national speech and debate champion with even bigger ambitions. This is the part where people recognize that I had said, I want to eventually have a judicial appointment. And I had forgotten all about that, wanting to have a judicial appointment. But there it is in my high school yearbook.
Wow. No surprise, Harvard came next. More unexpected was the young man in lecture hall. This is the classroom where you met. This is the classroom where we met. So I would sit, I want to say it was like maybe here with one of my friends. That's right. I would always try to sit right behind you just to get your attention.
And he would sit in the row behind me and then he would lean over and tap me on the shoulder. In 1996, she married Patrick Jackson. He was the young surgeon. She was the Harvard law grad aiming even higher.
Jackson clerked for Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer, and later worked as a federal public defender. But at home, she admits, she was struggling. A young mother, two daughters, one eventually diagnosed as autistic. I think I was probably harder on myself and harder perhaps on my daughter than I should have been. It's like I didn't really believe that there could have been some sort of a neurological issue and, therefore, pushed both herself and me. one eventually diagnosed as autistic. I think I was probably harder on myself and harder perhaps on my daughter than I should have been.
It's like I didn't really believe that there could have been some sort of neurological issue and therefore kind of pushed both herself and me. In 2013, the long-sought federal judgeship did come. Years later, a surprise announcement from presidential candidate Joe Biden. I'm looking forward to making sure there's a black woman on the Supreme Court to make sure we, in fact, get every representation. Dr. Jackson, what did you think when you heard him say that?
I have always thought Katanji would be doing this job. When I interviewed to come to Georgetown, the chair at the time said, why do you want to come to Georgetown? And I said, because we need to be in D.C., because my wife is going to be a Supreme Court justice. So I — He always knew. He always knew. I, of course, was like, yeah, right. My admiration and love for Katanji is palpable. It's like it's uncontrollable, like I — this is not a volunteer thing.
Like I wish it was controllable, but it is not. So it wasn't a surprise when you heard Joe Biden say, I'm going to nominate a black woman to this. No, I thought he said, I'm going to nominate Katanji. Like, that's what you heard in your mind.
That's what I heard. Then, in 2022, it happened. I'd like you to go to the Supreme Court.
How about that? Sir, I would be so honored. At 51, Katanji Brown Jackson became the newest member of the Supreme Court. Since you joined the court two years ago, you immediately became the most prolific questioner among the justices. No one else is even close to you.
Why do you laugh? Because I was the most prolific questioner as a district court judge as well, because I have a lot of questions. I think it's harder, obviously, when you're one of nine, than when you're all alone. And there's an adjustment period that I think had to happen from my perspective.
I wasn't doing anything different, and maybe I should have been. But I have questions, and we have a very complicated legal system, and these issues are hard. One of the hardest issues the Supreme Court tackled this year involved Donald Trump. The question, could the former president face criminal charges for his efforts to undo his 2020 election defeat to Joe Biden? In July, the court ruled six to three along ideological lines that Trump was entitled to immunity for official acts as president.
Jackson dissented. You were concerned about broad immunity. I was concerned about a system that appeared to provide immunity for one individual under one set of circumstances, when we have a criminal justice system that had ordinarily treated everyone the same. Are you prepared that this election could end up before the Supreme Court?
As prepared as anyone can be. Let me ask you, are you prepared for all of the news cycles that you're getting as a result of this election? No.
No, exactly. I mean, I think there are legal issues that arise out of the political process, and so the Supreme Court has to be prepared to respond if that should be necessary. Today, fewer than half of Americans say they have a favorable view of the Supreme Court. Pick your reason, the partisan confirmation battles, the overturning of Roe versus Wade, or undisclosed trips and gifts given to justices, including Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas.
By one analysis, Justice Thomas has accepted around $4 million in trips, travel, and gifts over the past two decades. Is that inappropriate? Oh, I'm not going to comment on other justices' interpretations of the rules or what they're doing. What's your personal code of ethics? Well, I follow the rules, whatever they are, with respect to ethical obligations, and it's important, in my view, to do so. It really boils down to impartiality.
That's what the rules are about. People are entitled to know if you're accepting gifts as a judge so that they can evaluate whether or not your opinions are impartial. The president wants a binding code for the Supreme Court that would enforce gift disclosures and recusals. Do you see a problem with that? So a binding code of ethics is pretty standard for judges, and so I guess the question is, is the Supreme Court any different?
And I guess I have not seen a persuasive reason as to why the court is different than the other courts. Are you considering supporting an enforcement mechanism? I am considering supporting it as a general matter.
I'm not going to get into commenting on particular policy proposals, but from my perspective, I don't have any problem with an enforceable code. This is Justice Thurgood Marshall's mantle clock. Justice Kitanji Brown Jackson will likely be on the court for decades, but she's already been sewn into history.
It was handmade by a woman from Texas, and I have it right across from my desk. And the opinions from her desk will shape the nation, just as she hopes her story will. Her family went from desegregation to the Supreme Court. Yes. Yes.
In one generation. Yeah. It is the story of the promise of America. I think so. Is it also still a story of exception? I think less and less every day, which is really what progress means.
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He solves that puzzle with an assist from our Luke Burbank. Just a heads up America, when you turn on your TV this week, something is going to be different. I can't wait to get to work. Yes, after 40 plus years, Wheel of Fortune has a new host, who is himself sort of an institution in America. He's the guy who seems to host everything these days, Ryan Seacrest.
Can you please list the jobs that you currently have? Let's start with the beginning of the year, New Year's Eve, the ball drops, that starts the year. It is 12 degrees and it feels like zero. American Top 40. This one new on the chart at 32. On Air with Ryan Seacrest in the mornings on KISS FM. 739 in the morning. And then syndicated across the country. American Idol and Wheel of Fortune and then some specials here and there.
Wheel of Fortune distributed by CBS is the latest and possibly the most high profile job for Seacrest, who grew up in tiny Dunwoody, Georgia, where, even as a kid, he kept very busy. Believe it or not, I played high school football. What position? I played strong safety. I was stronger, but not that strong. I didn't play a lot, but I practiced a lot. I practiced so much, but played less in the games. But high school football in Georgia is no joke.
That's my excuse. But of course, you can't get much further from Hollywood than Dunwoody, Georgia, something that was not lost on Seacrest. Always wanted to do this. Always dreamt of being on the air. I would listen to Casey Kasem. Hello again and welcome to American Top 40.
My name's Casey Kasem. I'm mowing the lawn, my Walkman headphones, and I would picture what it would be like to be in Hollywood. How did you make your way to Los Angeles? In my Honda Prelude. Really?
Yeah. I packed my things in my Honda from Atlanta and I came out to LA. I had one contact at a radio station at the time called Star 98.7, which was loosely affiliated with the station I worked at in Atlanta. I met the program director eventually. I remember coming home to my apartment in Burbank every day, playing my answering machine, like hitting the micro tape, waiting for his voice. Eventually, the call did come, leading to radio success and then the show that changed his life, American Idol.
We're down to two, Clay Aiken and Ruben Stutter, head to head the showdown tonight on American Idol. I know the DNA of that show. I mean, that's the house where I go into and say, oh, we built that bathroom. I know that door's squeaky and we need to, if you want to go over here for the spoons and the silverware, I sort of know that world really well.
Now America, it's all up to you. Everything that I do has somebody that's a bigger star or a supporting group and it's not about me. It's about a contestant. It's about a story.
It's about something else or someone else. And I think that does make me feel a bit more comfortable. Meanwhile, Wheel of Fortune, that's a house constructed by its creator, Merv Griffin, and meticulously maintained by host Pat Sajak for over four decades. And now Seacrest has to figure out the floor plan, including the rules of the game, which actually took a lot of practice, he says. Wherever I was working, the producers sometimes would come and they'd bring contestants and we would play Wheel of Fortune in hotels just to get familiar with the rules and scenarios and things that can happen so that at some point it becomes second nature. In the early tapings we watched, Seacrest seemed comfortable in the role of host and co-collaborator with the TV royalty that is Vanna White. I've known Ryan for probably 20 years, but in the past couple of months we've done some traveling together for the show and we got to know each other a little better, too, so I think our chemistry is good.
What do you think? I mean, it looked like you've been doing this forever together, so were you nervous about that element, the chemistry, because there's no accounting for that, right? That's so true. I had no idea what to expect. When I'm used to one person for so long, I was very scared, but he's doing a great job.
This is such an incredible special franchise. It's more than a TV show. It is something that means something to people, and when I found out that this was an opportunity for me, there's no thought to this. It was like, absolutely, let's figure it out and let's get started. Of course, figuring it out meant fitting it into his famously packed schedule, which occasionally does include some downtime for recharging.
And for Seacrest, that's always happened at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, where these days, he's on the Board of Trustees. Why is that something that you want to take up even more of your time with? It's not a job. It's a way to escape it, you know? It's like you walk through this museum and you forget about all the things that are going on in the world and you have a chance to look at the different works that are on display here. Does this feel like a long way from Georgia? It does, and interestingly, this is right across the street from the E! Entertainment building that used to be. It's now over at Universal, but when I was working at E!, I was on the radio in the morning, I was doing E! News, I was hosting live from red carpet.
Nominated for Best Original, Lady Gaga. And I would walk across the street here to LACMA, just take a deep breath and walk around. I always came back reinvigorated. It was there for me, so I'm trying to be here for it. You both make it look so easy. Well, you're never going to find a better job, and you're never going to find a better co-host. Aw, thanks, Pat. Do you feel like you now have reached peak Ryan Seacrest and do not need to take on any more jobs? I don't know if I've reached peak me, but I feel like I've reached, for the moment, fully occupied me.
I don't think I should take on another job right now. I want this one to go so well. I want all of them to go well, but this one's new, and I want this one to be something that people go, okay, you know what? I get it. That makes sense. That's what Merv said to me, because the beauty of Wheel of Fortune is the kind of show you can sit in front of the TV or have on in the background and play along or yell at a contestant if they're not getting it, and you've got it before them. That's what the show is.
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It's an important day. It's also a three-day weekend, which on the surface sounds amazing. Who doesn't want another day in the weekend? Well, I don't.
Now before you think I'm just a grumpy old man who looks really good because he lost some weight, allow me to explain. These three-day weekends are always followed by a stressful four-day work week. Things we normally would do in a five-day work week are now stuffed into four days. I don't like that. Waking up after a three-day weekend is never fun. That extra day of sleeping in for me convinces my body that I'll never have to wake up early again.
Waking up a teenager on a Tuesday after a three-day weekend is virtually impossible. Unnecessary drama. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
It makes more sense to play volleyball with a hornet's nest. I don't want that. Three-day weekends present unnecessary pressure to socialize. If it's a normal weekend like God intended, I don't have to do anything. But you add just one day more to a weekend and suddenly I'm hosting a barbecue? Strangers are coming over and looking at my stuff? For some reason I'm being invited to my daughter's boyfriend's dad's uncle's place for a night in Rhode Island?
I don't want to do any of that. Three-day weekends always mean travel disasters. Doesn't matter which day you travel on a three-day weekend, there's traffic. A drive that normally would take 40 minutes suddenly now takes 12 hours. I'm convinced some of those three-day weekend drivers are paid by the government to get in my way. You probably think I'm being paranoid, but you know who invented the three-day weekend? That's right.
The government. Think about it. What happens when two stars align on the same stage? A lot if it's Mia Farrow and Patti LuPone. Seth Doan caught up with them on Broadway. If I had a thousand hats, they'd all be off to Patti LuPone and that's a fact.
It's just a fact. They're famous performers, but this is not acting. First of all, Mia underestimates herself. I talk about her like she's not here.
Mia Farrow and Patti LuPone have been pals for 30 years. What do each of you see in the other? We are different. I'm sort of, I guess you'd say I'm pepper, she's sugar, or agave, or honey, and I'm paprika. Do you know what I mean? Is that how you see it, Mia? I wouldn't have thought of the food element, probably, or the spice element, but that's not wrong.
I don't know. I see it below the pepper, or honey, or agave, if you will, is a human soul that is immense and that I am drawn to. I really value Patti as a friend. I look at the audience before I start the play because I want to see who I'm playing too. As close as these two showbiz veterans are, they have never worked together until now. We met them recently during tech rehearsal for The Roommate, the two-person play opening on Broadway this month. I think people are not used to seeing a theater in this state with all of these things around. Do people know how much stuff there is? I love to be in technicals.
I love to see everybody at work like this. Now 75, Patti LuPone made her Broadway debut more than 50 years ago. She's acted in this very theater and won three Tony awards for roles in Evita, Company, and Gypsy. We weren't necking.
He kissed me once, and I kissed him once. Mia Farrow, who's 79, got her start even earlier in Peyton Place in the mid-1960s. She's the first American woman to join the Royal Shakespeare Company and achieved cinematic immortality in the horror classic Rosemary's Baby. What have you done to it? What have you done to its eyes? To this day, the best part I've ever been offered. You were 20 years old when you did Rosemary's Baby.
I think I was 21. Getting these two legends together took a little convincing and coordinating. The director's each asking, you're saying, are you going to do it? You're going to do it? Yeah.
Is that really how it works? Yeah. But we did call each other a lot because I thought it would be so exciting to work with Mia, whom I adore. Just to listen to Mia talk about anything is such an event that I would rather do that than rehearse. I would rather do that than eat lunch. We all feel that way.
It's an amazing experience just to listen to her. Who decided to do this first? Mia.
You decided to do it? But it was dependent on Patty doing it. But they went to Mia first. And I'm actually a second choice. I don't even know if I'm a second. I could be a third choice.
I don't know. Who was ahead of you? Annette Vening.
I'm really glad it's Patty. What's that like as an actor? Well, I'll tell you.
It's not comfortable. How do you deal with it? You accept the part?
Because you need to. The Roommate is a comedy about a New Yorker portrayed by Lupone who moves to the Iowa home of Pharaoh's character. Secrets and surprises abound. I'm gay. Oh, I mean, I don't have any problem with homosexuals. Oh, good.
No, no, not at all. It's one set, one act, and 90 minutes of lines to remember. Who's better at remembering their lines? We're both struggling. It's just the two of us.
They are icons and legends, but they're also consummate artists. Playwright Jen Silverman says The Roommate gives audiences the chance to see the richness and depth of women of a certain age. When was the last time you were on a date?
When I got married, and we all saw how well that turned out. Silverman says they're often rendered invisible. It is harder for roles for women our age, and it's a pity because we come with a certain amount of wisdom, experience that is still sexy, still very sexy. Why do you see it as sexy? Why do I see it as sexy? Because it is.
Because we come with a power. A Broadway legend just loses it on stage. Last night, theatre actress Patti Lupone grabbed a cell phone out of the hands of an audience member who was texting. Lupone has used her stature to admonish audience members who peek at their phones. It's something you abhor. I think we all abhor it. I'm just vocal about it. How is that as an actor?
It's distracting to the actor, but it's worse for the audience, you see, because we're trying to create a story, weave a spell. Mia Farrow's own real-life story has always fascinated the public. At 21, she married Frank Sinatra. Unlike Patti, he was Sicilian, but unlike Patti, he had a temper, but the essential person was so compassionate and shy and readily available, more than anyone I've ever known. It ended up being a friendship that lasted until he died. Of course, she's also known for her relationship with Woody Allen. Oh my God!
You killed Mr. Davis! They made 13 films together. Mia Farrow and their adopted daughter, Dylan Farrow, accused Allen of molesting Dylan when she was seven. Woody Allen vehemently denies the charge. Are you able to separate the experience as an actor in those films from the personal trials and tribulations that would follow?
Oh yeah, and I completely understand if an actor decides to work with him. I'm not one who's, oh they shouldn't. Mia Farrow tells us she's at peace today, and pretty content out of the spotlight. But not many people have had Mia's life. You have lived a fascinating life. I'm old, you know, there are a lot of old people that haven't lived your life. Quite the same set of experiences.
How does that factor into a decision to do something like this? It was perhaps a feeling of maybe, is this it? Or might there be one last adventure? What do you mean by is this it? Meaning, never do anything else for the remainder of my days. Had you thought that?
Yeah. I'm very good at doing nothing. It's a gift. I'm endlessly entertaining to myself. I have good friends, I have no complaints.
I don't have Mia's mindset. I wish I did. I'm not good at not working. I don't know what to do in spare time. I get extremely depressed because I feel useless. You have to stop thinking about yourself as basically dead.
You are actually younger than most US presidents. As you look back on your careers, what is the measure of success? I think it's longevity. I really do. I agree if you're still working, if you're still vital, if they still want you to work at this time. That's success. I agree.
The fact that we're even working now, that to me is success. This podcast is supported by Progressive, America's number one motorcycle insurer. Everything is more exhilarating when you're on your motorcycle, just like your bike is more protected when you choose Progressive Motorcycle Insurance. They offer coverage for your bike starting as low as $75 per year, and they keep things affordable with discounts like paid in full, multi-policy, and responsible driver. So raise your kickstands and get to quoting at progressive.com to see if you could save. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliates, $75 premium is for state minimum coverage. Not available in DC.
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I'm Jennifer Mearley from WCCO in Minneapolis. Come along as we discover how Minnesota became the birthplace of the bus industry. The Greyhound Bus Museum in Hibbing presents the history, dating back 110 years to this seven seater and an enterprising Swedish salesman, Carl Wickman. So the Hupmobile was how Greyhound got started. They couldn't sell the car, so they started giving rides and charging people.
Created out of necessity, it began by transporting miners on Minnesota's Iron Range, paying 15 cents a ride, says museum executive director Ron Dicklage. The name of the recognized running dog would come in the late 1920s. People commented that as they go down the road, they look like a sleeking Greyhound. It evolved into the largest inner city bus company, affordably connecting families across the country, says operations manager John Beckstrom. Highway travel was a big thing, and Greyhound was the centerpiece of it. During wartime, Greyhound transported soldiers between home and bases. It moved freedom riders during the civil rights movement, and the iconic Greyhound made its way into the movies. Songs capture the nostalgia. Their time on the road is meaningful to former drivers. They meet with mechanics and depot workers each month in the Twin Cities to reminisce.
It's a way to hang on to something that you really believed in. As cars became more prevalent and air travel took off, Greyhound struggled. It weathered strikes and bankruptcy. Smaller hubs disappeared.
Today it serves 1,800 locations across North America and 12 million passengers a year. He fell in love with Greyhound. It's a story Gene Nicolelli Jr.'s late father felt needed telling, and so he created this museum. He said, you know, this is interesting.
How come nobody's telling his story? His childhood memories are aboard the flagship of the fleet, the scenic cruiser. This is my favorite bus. It's up higher than the normal buses were, so you look down and look out and see all the landscape and such.
It's a place to take a trip down memory lane while celebrating the lasting legacy of Greyhound. Thank you for listening. I'm John Dickerson. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning. If you like this podcast, you can listen ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app. Before you go, tell us about yourself by filling out a quick survey at wondery.com slash survey. Every Thursday on CNN's The Assignment, host Audie Cornish explores the animating forces of this extraordinary American political moment.
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