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The show was an instant hit, and for the next eight years helped revolutionize the way television is made. And as Anthony Mason will tell us, it's turned its mostly unknown actors into stars. It changed a lot of people's lives. I think all of ours. Yes.
In all kinds of ways. Cast members and the creator of the Sopranos. I've never been able to. Figure out whether it's a comedy. I guess it's like life.
I don't know. I hope. Mark the 25th anniversary of the show's debut. Oh, this is really good. Yeah.
They're not gonna pick it up. I didn't realize you were so unhappy. Ahead. on Sunday morning. As Second Gentleman of the United States, Doug M.
Hoff, husband of Vice President Kamala Harris, is the first of his kind. But as he tells Rita Braver, he doesn't mind playing second fiddle. Welcome to the Office of the Second Gentleman. Thank you. Whether it's in his office or anywhere else.
I was a business lawyer for so long, so I get it. Doug Amhoff, the first male to be married to a vice president, wants to make one thing clear. Are you also an advisor to your wife? No, I'm just there to support her, to be there for her. We're going to win this election.
Coming up on Sunday morning, second gentleman. Actor Jude Law has been a star on stage and screen for nearly three decades now, and he's got the major roles and the Oscar, Golden Globe, and Tony nominations to prove it. This morning, he'll talk with our Lee Cowan. Movies have taken Jude Law around the world. But it was here in Manhattan.
That a first stint on Broadway stamped his passport as a professional actor. I'd been to New York, I'd visited, but to come and live here and work here was. life-changing in every way. His memories, his movies. We would have to have their head cut off.
and the madness of Henry the Eighth. This is a correct answer, right? on Sunday morning. Jude Law has some stellar company this morning. Actor June Squibb will be telling Mo Raka about making her leading lady debut at the age of 94.
A father and son who were once at odds show Martha Teischner how a mutual love of food sweetened their relationship. Seth Doan introduces us to a group of Israelis and Palestinians who were once enemies and are now working to understand each other using empathy instead of weapons. and more. It's a Sunday morning for june twenty third, twenty twenty four. And we'll be right back.
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The groundbreaking HBO series The Sopranos would eventually claim a record 21 Emmy Awards. Anthony Mason takes us to a Sopranos family reunion. A quarter century has passed since we first met Tony Soprano, the New Jersey crime boss dealing with family dysfunction at home and at work. The groundbreaking HBO series The Sopranos would eventually claim a record 21 Emmy Awards. Anthony Mason takes us to a Sopranos family reunion.
Has it been a while since you've been back here? Oh yeah, it's been 17 years. David Chase's drama about a mob family headquartered in a New Jersey strip club. Would change television. All year, creator and cast have been celebrating the debut of the Sopranos a quarter century ago.
I had a lot of friends who were auditioning for this thing called Sopranos. I thought it was about singers. And he calls and says, you know, you want to be in my new TV show? And I say, yeah, no thanks. Like a series on HBO was kind of like the bargain basement.
I'm not being facetious. Chase had offered it to all of the broadcast networks. And what did they say to you? Too dark. But it could be darkly funny, too.
He killed 16 Czechoslovakians. Guy was an ethereal decorator. This house looked like I've never been able to figure out whether it's a comedy. It's I guess it's like life, I don't know, I hope. It started as a show about a mob boss with a troublesome mom.
All I know is. Daughters are better at taking care of their mothers than sons. And that was my apartment up there. Chase, who grew up in suburban New Jersey, based her on his own mother.
So why did you want to put her with a gangster? I believe that if my mother had been a male, She might have been a criminal. Hey, Ma. Nancy Marchand just brought it to life. I wish the Lord would take me now.
Well, In the meantime, Tormented, Tony Soprano is driven to see a therapist, Lorraine Bracco, as Dr. Melfie. Mr.
Soprano? Yeah. It's your best Tony's mother on your mother and you base the therapist on your therapist. I think I was probably trying to remother myself. Oh, interesting.
I was looking for a woman. Of my mother's age, who wouldn't behave like a maniac. And that's what Tony's trying to do. Yeah. Yeah.
But Chase also saw the Sopranos as a parable of America in decline. At that time in America, there was so much consumption. agreed that it was enough to make a mob boss sick. The late James Gandalfini played Tony as an endearing anti-hero. This is incredible.
Well, the whole thing was about his face and about his eyes, actually. There's something about his eyes that... It was otherworldly. It shows with pulp. You like it with pulp.
Not this much. Edie Falco played Tony's wife, Carmela. There's such a great dynamic between the two of you in the show. Yeah, we it does it's a matter of alchemy. We both had Italian families, had some idea of what this dynamic feels like.
And just sort of fell into it with great ease. It was, you know, a 10-year. Marriage, and it was as close to a real one as I had known. Musician Steve Van Zantz played Tony's underboss, Silvio Dante. which I was very comfortable with.
You know, having You know, done that kind of a thing with Bruce Springsteen in real life, you know? Cheer me up, babe. The conditions were just what I thought I was out to echo. There had never been anything like it on TV. No stars.
too many characters, you know, no seductive lighting, no. Cute camera moves, you know, nothing other than this very weird story of a mob boss. who has a nervous breakdown because ducks flew out of his pool. That's the makings of a hit show. More than a hit, it's become an enduring cultural phenomenon.
Hey yeah. Constantly rediscovered by new audiences. Who still tour its shooting locations. But outside of the church, right here, is where Tony approaches Baby Bacala. What do you think the magic in it is?
Well, first of all, it's really good. Michael Imperioli played Tony's hot-headed nephew. Get a pastry box. Christopher Multasanti. Move it!
Script after script, it would get more interesting and deeper. And you know, by the end of the first season, I was like. This is incredible.
like, you know, I guess a a musician playing, you know. Bach or something. You just it's like, Oh, this is just a Honor. Within two shows, everybody stopped me on the street, you know, soprano, soprano, sopranos. You know, the fact that I had been a rock star for 20 years before that, gone.
It's just like we would go out, five or six of us, and get a standing ovation. It was like playing for the Yankees. Steve Sharippa joined the cast in the second season. Bobby Buccalieri. The last man standing.
Yeah, we were sincerely friends. On and off. The only tense day I can remember, honestly, was the day we whacked Vinny pastor. You know, big pussy. Is that okay, Tony?
Did I sit? Because you know when you kill somebody, you know where they die on a show, you're not gonna see them anymore. It was a fate all the actors knew they could face. The more they gave you to do, your character, the better shot at you getting killed off. I didn't buy an apartment here until the show was over.
Sharippa got a call one night from David Chase, who asked to come over. He'd never been to your house before. No! Does he come to your house? How they killed you then became a badge of honor.
You know, was it a good kill or did you fade away? Yeah. Mine was pretty good. The train store, you know, it was pretty cool. After 10 years of filming, The Sopranos' final episode aired in 2007.
Did I read that in the last read you actually started crying? I was out of control. I was embarrassed. I really couldn't stop crying. It was ridiculous.
What were you feeling? It was this thing in this moment will never happen. again, to me, to anyone. It changed a lot of people's lives. Sure.
I think all of ours. in all kinds of ways. The ending, an abrupt cut to black, was controversial. Don't stop. My initial thing was You know, did the TV go out like everybody?
But the ambiguities of that, I thought, were really interesting. Did he die? Is that the last thing he saw? I mean, those questions that lingered that people just tried to figure out. You kind of left room for everybody to make up their own ending.
Yeah. That was not my intention. What was your intention? Here David Chase stopped to think. I don't know how to explain it.
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To Martha Teischner now, with a look at a father-and-son duo who managed to transform the flavor of their relationship from bitter. to sweet. Lastly, we have Honey. Honey? Are you calling me honey?
Oh, yes. All right. The peacemaking power of food. All right, let's rock and roll. It's shrimp time.
Take one, Mark. It was fully on view as Kevin Pang and his dad, Jeffrey, prepared to shoot an episode of their YouTube show. Hunger pangs. Mm-hmm. Hunger pangs.
Honey water stream is your mom's favorite.
So that's why I come up with this recipe is because I want to make your mom happy. All these shrimp. Working through their recipe for honey walnut shrimp at the Studios of America's Test Kitchen in Boston, where the show was produced. You want to toss it? You'd never know that it's taken more than 30 years to get to this point.
If you were an immigrant kid, you're living in America, you do everything that you can to Fit in to try to be American, and part of that is rebelling against. your childhood against your culture. And what happened to your relationship with your dad? it deteriorated. And it's because I refuse to speak Chinese at home.
Kevin Pang was six when the family emigrated from Hong Kong to Toronto, eventually moving to Seattle, where Jeffrey opened an export business. My language is a big barrier for me. I don't know how to talk to my son because he very quickly entered into this Western world. The slightest Provocation, I think, would set things off. And look, you have two.
headstrong males, you know, it just makes for a pretty fiery situation. Over time, contact between them became a perfunctory weekly phone call. Just say hi and bye, no fighting. That is, until Kevin became a food writer for the Chicago Tribune. I had a reason now to call my pops and say, hey, what is Red Bray's pork belly?
Now we'd have these half-hour conversations. And then, in 2012, to Kevin Pang's amazement, his food-loving dad took to YouTube. 2.2 million views and counting, with Chinese cooking demonstrations punctuated with nods to a shared history. Kevin had ignored. Everything he could never say in person flooded out in a New York Times article in 2016.
To bear my soul in front of my family, it's just this inconceivable. Just a horrific idea, but to do so like in a national newspaper, I have no problem with that. Jeffrey Pang's response Hi Kevin. This is a good and true story. Thank you.
Call me sometime. There.
Now, we make fried chicken with shrimp paste. It is fantastic. Father and son reminisce their way through Asian markets. Here we go. And of course, they cook.
Give it a smell, Arthur. Kevin finally gets that with each ingredient, each dish, They're retelling their story. Preserving it.
So this is The book. Yes. For a year before they left Hong Kong in 1988. And then some kind of dessert. Catherine and Jeffrey Pang collected family recipes.
From his parents, my parents, and all the relatives. Afraid. They would lose their heritage. I still can recall the moment they taught us how to cook a specific dish. It's our treasure.
Some of those recipes have found their way into the cookbook. Yeah. Jeffrey and Kevin Pang published together. Yes. This was the moment.
Yeah, what do you think? They saw a finished copy.
So good. Yeah. For the first time last fall. Today, my dreams come true. Food.
Is our common language. That's the language that we speak. That's what we can talk about. And who would have thought? What are you hurrying, old man?
You drove. You've been staring at that menu for ten minutes. Where does it say meatloaf?
Well they ought to have me though.
Well they don't, so pick something else. That's June Squibb in Nebraska, a movie that turned her into an overnight sensation at the tender age of 84.
Now she's making her debut as a leading lady and in conversation with our Mo Raka. When you are nominated for an Oscar. The lovely thing is you don't audition anymore. And that was kind of nice because I have been auditioning my entire life. Yeah.
June Squibb had spent her life working primarily on the stage before she got noticed and an Academy Award nomination for her role as the See what you could have had, Keith, if you hadn't. Earthy matriarch in the 2013 movie Nebraska. At eighty four, her life had changed. Since Nebraska, about ten years ago, you've racked up something like fifty credits. Yeah, I ha I did not stop working.
Do you say no a lot? I say no quite a bit. I really do. This could be the last offer. No.
I don't I I'm sure I think that in my mind. Oh God, what am I doing turning this down? But I just feel certain material is not for me.
Okay. But she couldn't say no to the title role in Thelma. At 94, June Squibbs' first lead in a film ever. Everybody wants to talk. My God, I just needed your scooter.
Please be a doll and don't make a fuss. I read the script. It was a wonderful script, beautifully written, and I just felt, oh my God, I really want to do this. In the movie, Squibb plays Thelma Post, who gets scammed out of $10,000 by a caller pretending to be her grandson. Hello?
Grema. Danny? You sound so strange. I'm in jail. Oh, my God.
Not the retiring type, Thelma sets out to get her money back with the help of a friend played by the late Richard Rowntree. I'm going with or without you. I'm not going to let you go alone. and a scooter. It was so much fun to know that Richard was sitting behind me on that scooter.
How much of this was about the scooter? A lot. They had a stunt lady there for me and I said, I want to try the scooter word.
So they let me try it.
Well, that was it. I was good at it.
So I said, Well, why are you calling me? Why don't you call your mom and dad? He said, I don't want mom and dad to know. The movie is based on a true story. Meet the real Delma Post.
A few years ago, a caller attempted to scam her.
So I said, okay, let me see what I can do. And then I thought about it. This doesn't sound like Josh. This sounds like a lot of Crap and stuff. Josh is Josh Margolin, the writer and first-time director of the movie.
His grandmother, now 103, didn't fall for the scam. but Margolnen was inspired. To me, it just felt it was a personal story about someone very important to me. That I just felt I really needed to be the one to make. What is Thelma trying to prove by going after these scammers?
I think she's trying to prove that she is still the Thelma that she has always been and prove to people she still got it, while also needing to kind of navigate the realities of. A new phase of life and the vulnerabilities that come with that. And also, she wants to get the money back. And she wants to get the money back. The movie's funny, but it also takes Thelma's predicament seriously.
He was going on and on about how you hit someone. I don't know. Consciously making sure that this didn't tip over into mockery of older people. That was always on our minds. Wanting to make sure we.
We were kind of laughing along with Thelma, getting thrills and humor just from her. Quest and her character, but never wanting for it to feel like it was a mockery of any kind. Margolin wrote the role of Thelma with June Squibb in mind. We were there when the actor met her subject. I'm Thelma Post.
How are I Thelma Post? Oh my gosh. I'm going to do it out with you. And, June, we were earlier talking about the movie and Thelma's impression of the movie and of your performance as her. Um What do you think of June's performance as you?
What do I think of June's performance? I'm thrilled with it. I'm proud of it. I'm happy I'm being portrayed this way. I mean, how lucky can I be?
Okay. Keep it up. Keep it up. Why aren't we stopping at Mars? To get a gun.
With Thelma in theaters this week, Squibb has already said yes to her next gig. We Went to New Jersey for a one-day shoot on the new American horror story. She was a leprechaun that drank blood. And I felt, I've got to do this. To be a leprechaun who drinks blood.
Right. Right. I mean, how many chances do you get to do that? Seven decades into her career, June Squibb is going for it like never before. I think when you're young, you're so eager to please.
You think, I want to do. I want to make everybody happy. I want to make everybody like me. And as you get older, I think that that goes away a lot of it.
Okay. Do you find yourself eager to please? No, I could care less. And and y why at this age, what I've been through, who I've known, what I've dealt with, why shouldn't I care? Ever wonder how you can stay sharp and focused in our never-ending news cycle?
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Knowing that in your career you've not covered a haircut yet, I feel very honored. But Doug Amhoff is used to venturing into uncharted territory. As the husband of Kamala Harris, the first female vice president, He is the first male to be a vice presidential spouse. There wasn't even a name for it. How did you come up with the title of Second Gentleman?
A bunch of us were talking about. what to call me since there's never been one of me before. It sounded about right. It was first lady, second gentleman. Am Hoff, who is 59, gave up a successful Los Angeles law practice when his wife became vice president.
He now teaches law part-time at Georgetown University. Thanks for being on here today. Oh, no, it's an honor to be here today. He's content to keep a low profile. Quietly attending a small ceremony on September 11th at the Memorial in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
Second gentleman, it's wonderful to meet, so you too. Before that's your name. My name is Gavin Morris. And having private conversations at the local firehouse with first responders. And I said, well, someone needs to be here in Shanksville.
And I wanted it to be me. And I really focused on them as people. I wanted to hear their stories. Yeah. Welcome to the Office of the Second Gentleman.
Thank you. But when he's back in DC... I'll ask you the question that all political wives get, and that is, are you also an advisor to your wife? No. No.
I am her husband. She has plenty of people around her giving her advice on her role. I'm just there to support her, to be there for her. When she gets classified briefings, aren't you curious? No.
It's surreal sometimes when I know she's in the situation room and I'll see something on the news, I'm like, hmm. I wonder what's happening. And then when it's not classified, it could be, hey. You know, that might have been what was happening. Doug and I bonded as spouses, you know, on the campaign trail.
First Lady Jill Biden, who of course was previously second lady, says M Hoff is a natural. I think he likes people, he likes being with people, he connects with people, and I think that's really important. Last month, she and M. Hoff hit the campaign trail in Michigan together, where he talked about the Supreme Court's striking down abortion rights. What they are doing on reproductive freedom and freedom in general is just outrageous.
clearly following advice she gave him when he started. I tried to say to him, Doug, don't waste your platform. Choose what you want to do and and you know make it yours. M Hoff is not only the first second gentleman, he's also the first Jewish person ever to be in the big four, as the top two national couples are called. M.
Hoff and Harris proudly showed us a Mazuza. Traditionally, they hung on doorposts of Jewish homes that they placed on the vice president's house. And M Hoff has taken a leading role in fighting anti-Semitism. The work that Doug is doing is really extraordinary. I mean, fighting anti-Semitism, especially at this moment in time where so many people are living.
and fear and also just You know, concerned about what's happening in our country. She said this is she found me. And she literally, and now you've got to step up. That was all before the October seventh Hamas attacks on Israelis.
Now M Hoff is front and center, standing in the Rose Garden with the President and Vice President. I know a lot of us are feeling alone, afraid. and in pain. There is an epidemic of hate. Including a crisis of anti-Semitism in our country and around the world.
I process that to this day as a Jewish person: the impact, the emotional, the rage, all those things that so many of us feel. What about Palestinian and Muslim Americans who say we're hurting too? All hate is bad. The work I've been doing. Has centered not only on fighting anti-Semitism, but fighting hate of all kinds.
Letting people know that a hate against one is a hate against all. It is a far cry from his former life in California. You were born in London. I was born in Brooklyn, grew up in Jersey until I was 16, moved here to LA when I was 16. And what was it like to move here at 16?
It was in the early 80s, so it was almost like that fast times that rinsed high. But M Hoff has always had his eye on his future. I put myself through college right here in Northridge and then I got into USC law school. And I worked really hard, set a goal of being an entertainment lawyer, and I made it happen. But as M Hoff acknowledged when we went for coffee at his favorite spot.
And black coffee for me. I already got you. I saw you. It wasn't Kamala Harris's prowess as Attorney General of California that attracted him when a mutual friend wanted to fix them up in twenty thirteen. You didn't say we'll have lots to talk about um because of the law.
You said something else. Yeah. What did you th what did you think I said? She's hot. Is that true?
Is that true? I think that's a true statement. And it was love at first sight. And we've been together ever since. They married in 2014, and Harris became step-mom to M.
Hoff's children, Ella and Cole, from his first marriage. Even presiding at Cole's wedding last year. I do have to say, Doug is a lot better cooked now that he's my comala. We met up with Doug and Cole M. Hoff at the original Farmers Market in Los Angeles.
I know this: that you call your father Doug.
Okay. What's that all about? I've done it my entire life, so it's just a habit at this point. And you have a special name for the vice president, too? Yes.
Mamala.
So together they're Dougala. What can I say? But as much as the Vice President's family loves her, only a minority of Americans approve of the job that she and President Biden are doing. What's your response when people are critical of your wife? Because of course they are.
I'm her husband. Nobody wants to see anyone they love criticize or attack. But that said, I mean, she's Vice President of the United States, so this all comes with the territory. She's the toughest person out there. She's tough.
She's so tough. It just bounces right off of her. and as for second gentleman Doug Emhoff, He is not California dreaming. Do you ever think, well, You know, if things don't work out, we could always move back here and be just fine. We're going to win this election.
We have to win this election. Our country and our world depends on us winning this election. That's what's going to happen. If the steady drumbeat of news about violence and heartbreak in the Middle East is making you feel hopeless, you're not alone. But as Seth Doan discovered, a group of Israelis and Palestinians has come together.
face to face, with one goal in common. Peace. He's an engineer with a master's degree, but this is Elie Avedor's life's work now. Is this how you thought you'd be spending your retirement? I'll tell you, I do something I love.
I really think it's important. The 73-year-old Israeli drives three hours from Tel Aviv every week to accompany Palestinian sheepherders in the West Bank. His real value to them, though, is not as a laborer. You standing here in your jeans and t-shirt, you're a deterrent? I'm a deterrent.
I'm a deterrent. You have power simply because of your passport. Being Israeli. Sure. He's trying to stop the intimidation from increasingly violent Israeli settlers.
You see the car there? They burnt it. By documenting their aggression and calling authorities as the settlers plant this flag ever closer. This is a war crime. We occupied this land.
They tried to move the community out to the big villages so Israel can annex this area without the local people. I'm trying to stop it.
Okay. Betselem, an Israeli human rights group, reports incidents of extremist settlers tormenting Palestinians are on the rise. Is there in order to drive all these people away? Avidor, a war veteran, is fighting a different sort of battle today, and he feels just as patriotic wearing this uniform, a t-shirt for combatants for peace, which has a straightforward goal. To spread the word.
That The other side is human. Because you have to dehumanize. in order to kill someone. Formed 18 years ago, the group began bringing together former combatants, former enemies, emphasizing community building and the all-too-rare approaches of dialogue and understanding. I learn about the Palestinians.
I tell them my story. Because what do they know? They meet violent settlers and they meet soldiers. That's the Israelis they know. I grew up just imagining the Astra'elis or the Jewish.
As a one person. who has uh holding a gun. and just want to take everything that I have. Tariq Seder joined from the Palestinian side with his uncle Ahmed Alhalu. who says his own fear and hatred of Israelis sparked desire for revenge.
I start. to create it myself. To be A strong fighter. By the time he was 10, Al-Halu says, he was burning tires and throwing rocks. What do you say to foreigners who look at kids throwing rocks, being violent, and say, what a violent...
Listen, we are not violence people. But Our life Forest us. to be like this. As a teen, he joined Hamas. Did you ever think about picking up?
Weapons, arms? Maybe in that time, yeah. Maybe if uh I got a chance to be a suicide bombing, maybe I will uh agree uh to yes. You would have been a suicide bomber. Yeah, yeah.
But over time he was exposed to different ways of thinking among other Palestinians. while the Oslo Peace Accords were being signed. Powerbonds? to help the state. A Palestinian state.
Why do you think combatants for peace is the way toward that goal. Because I believe In a non-violent way and I believe It is the only way. Throwing a rocks or the Burning uh tire will not do anything, will not fix it, it's just a way just to show your anger. How did your anger play out? It's still a.
Like in a small cage inside me. things that happen in happening in Gelsa, like it's will All my body has kept burning. From inside. They tell us they've lost 60 family members in Israel's assault on Gaza, which has killed more than 35,000 Palestinians. The UN figure is about half for women and children.
How can you continue to want it? Have these conversations with Israelis. I am sure that there are many Israelis against. The war, the against the occupation. I'm working with them.
You realize that we are both humans. We have the same needs and feelings.
So I said if I go to fight them, they will fight me back. And if I fight them back and they will fight me back, I will fight them back, it will just be only violence. But if we talk to each to each other, they will hear me and will feel me, give me empathy. That evening, Israelis joined Palestinians here in the West Bank to watch a ceremony recognizing the Nakba, the displacement of 700,000 Palestinians in 1948 during the creation of the Israeli state. Israeli Nouri Badash came from Beersheva.
Why make a two-hour trip to come here? It's like my second family. This is the only place to give me hope. I'd imagine there are a number of Israelis who would say it's a pretty audacious thing for an Israeli to commemorate the Nakba. We're an Israeli-Palestinian group.
That's their story, this is our story, we share the stories. He invited us to join him at a military cemetery in Tel Aviv on Israel's Memorial Day. Every Gariba is a soldier. Especially solemn this year in the wake of the October 7th massacre. when 1,200 people were murdered and 251 taken hostage.
The one with the strongest connections to Israel is through Shukli. and through the love of the country. Shuki Viater was his friend and commander, killed during the 1973 Yom Kippur War. Every some years we have new fallen, we have new conflict, new dead, the violence keep on and that's why I'm trying to work with the other side. to find a solution without violence.
A siren sounds each Memorial Day, and for two minutes, much of Israel halts to reflect on lives lost. Combatants for Peace stages its own commemoration on this day, recognizing the loss on both sides. Last year, 15,000 people attended. This year's event was smaller due to the war. It's like medicine these moments.
That's where we met Benny, who did not want us to share his last name. He was a soldier in the Israel Defense Forces who had a realization after barging into a Palestinian family's home during a raid. They were not violent. They were just scared. We got out and I was sat behind this Big uh rock.
And uh thinking Wow, now I've been the the one who caused the trauma. I've been the one who caused the pain. We don't exist. For Chado. That introspection was part of what pushed him to join this group.
That and the realization he did not know much about this parallel world. Growing up I actually haven't heard the word Palestinians, I didn't know who they are. You're an Israeli. You share the land. We did heard a lot about Arabs' our enemies.
Syria, it's Lebanon. Palestinians I had no idea those millions of people though. How much has October 7th changed the landscape? A lot of n new trauma came.
Some people lost their faith. Faith in this work. They were so shocked and scared, they felt like, Wow, all I did and for what? Just small pain came out. But for some, it has strengthened resolve.
I cannot play on the beach enjoying my life when I know what is happening in the occupied areas under my name. my taxes. Even if the effect is minimal, I feel I have to do it. This is the purpose. Eli Avidor found purpose out here among the Palestinian shepherds and maintains hope.
knowing through history humankind has emerged from the darkest periods. This is inhuman. to kill forty thousand people. How can we look at the mirror? But you know There was World War II.
We got over it. Hundred years' war between France and Germany. Apartheid in South Africa. There's hope and things can change. He's found his own practical way of combating injustice with empathy.
I'm not doing it for the Palestinians. has to be clear. My love is to my country. But I know that my carpentry there in a trouble and in pain. And we have to get out of it.
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I think we've seen enough of each other for a while. Actor Jude Law in The Talented Mr. Ripley, the movie that made him a star 25 years ago. Since then, The Englishman has racked up dozens of major credits. In his latest film, he plays one of the most infamous kings in history.
He tells Lee Cowan all about it in our Sunday profile. If you've ever wondered if a person can really remain anonymous in New York City, Jude Law just might be proof. Do you get recognized a lot? Or do you try to uh no. It depends because just which of his varied looks would you recognize?
He's played everybody should have one talent. What's yours? Witty writers? Every word matters. No, it doesn't.
They're voting. Vadel! Fairy tale pirates? Speak not to me of hands. Sme.
And storied sidekick. I've been reviewing my notes on our exploits over the last seven months. Would you like to know my conclusion? At 51, Jude Law rarely retraces the cobblestones of his past, and yet, on this day, bathed in the red of the Ethel Barrymore Theater in the heart of Broadway, most extraordinary. He couldn't help it.
All these memories come flooding back. Sitting there waiting to be revisited. It was here back in 1995 when Law, just 23, made his Broadway debut. I remember going to the theater manager though, saying, Do I pay my rent for the next month? And he was like, I don't know.
I know kid. The play was indiscretions. I should really. No, no, no. You lead the way.
It earned nine Tony nominations, including. One for Law's performance. Did you think when you started out that the stage seemed a more probable career than movies? Absolutely. Film felt so.
Distant, so abstract from my life in London, in southeast London. Alas, poor Yorick. I knew him. Hamlet is almost a rite of passage for an English stage actor, and when Law played it, He got another tony nod. You said Hamlet was one of the hardest things you've ever done?
One of the most challenging things? Certainly. You're on stage for about 85, 90% of the play, I would say. You have these eight enormous soliloquies. of being scared of taking on something like that.
Is natural, and part of that should be the motivation for taking it on. Playing royals seems part of his acting DNA. Help! King Vortegon. King of Good!
It's played fictional rulers, renowned rulers, and currently. one of the most reviled. King Henry VIII. Husband to six wives, two of whom he He had executed. They know what would happen.
We would have to have their head cut off. I have a theory that he was A romantic Really fell in love. And had no idea, of course, that his love life would go down this path of wreck and ruin and murder. He's unrecognizable in Firebrand. The story of Henry's last wife, Catherine Parr.
Her death is on your soul. Sam. Damn it, games! Take your horse. I'm sorry.
I'm so sorry. I don't know. I don't know. Any of the actions, whether they be aggressive. Grotesque.
Lude. They had to come from a reason, and they had to come, I think, from a sense of truth. It's always about that, really. The vengeful King Henry VIII. Part of finding that truth was getting at the humanity of just who Henry was.
It was a man of war, yes. But here at the Arms and Armor Gallery at New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art, curator Edward Hunter pointed Law to a suit of armor actually worn by the king himself that shows evidence of the crippling pain in his legs. probably from a jousting accident. Unlike many of the other armors around the galleries, it doesn't go all the way down. No.
On his legs. No. He chose this armor specifically for comfort? The open wounds were exactly around there, they think, weren't they? On the lower legs.
Couldn't get on my horse. In front of all my men, it was humiliating. That pain must have You know, his temperament probably rose and fell. And I think that really. coloured who he was.
Growing up the arts were everywhere. His parents were both teachers, but also performers. To them, Law's entrance into the arts wasn't a surprise. But his ensuing fame was. What do they think of all your success.
They've been around to see it all, which is great.
Some people don't have that. I guess, yes, indeed. I think it was a big thing for them to sort of understand. There's a certain. public ownership.
that you suddenly feel you give up. to this public persona. Actor Jude Law testified at Britain's phone hacking trial on Monday. In the mid-2000s, he lost all ownership of his private life. For years, his phone was being hacked by the tabloid news of the world.
and every private conversation, Became public. Who you were and the relationship you were in. I mean, there was really at some point it felt like. There had to be nothing left to write about personal life. I certainly felt like that.
At the time was like weathering a storm. and it dissipates and you learn from it and you adapt. and your life moves on. What's been hard, I think, is in the UK the media have rehashed stories that are 20, 25, some of them 30 years old. They'd been through every garment in my laundry basket, and there was no more dirty laundry.
No more dirty laundry. It was like. That's done. Not surprisingly, these days, he and his current wife, Philippa Cone, try to live a very private life. We're on a great adventure together, and I feel.
hugely supported by her. being a dad is a big part of that. They have two young children, adding to the five Law had before. Having a famous dad is one thing. Having one voted as the sexiest man alive well, that's another.
Come here. You're beautiful. He was almost too good looking, one might argue. It sounds like even you at sometimes were wondering if. Roles were because of the way you looked or because of your performance.
It's a funny one, isn't it? Because as soon as I engage in that sort of consideration, it's like I'm acknowledging that I have really good looks. I've got to a point now where I look back at photos of myself, which I know I don't look like anymore, and I am able to say, oh no, I was really pretty. I was really, really pretty when I was in my 20s. Amanda.
Are you by any chance at all into hot chocolate? He could have made a living doing rom-coms, but he planned accordingly. to do just the opposite. I found my own path to try and really establish myself as an actor as opposed to a heartthrob. It felt like.
the long game. He started seeking out roles portraying the unfortunate, the seemingly irredeemable. I'm pathetic, I don't belong here, I'm a monster, I'm a dinosaur. I'm something of a rarity. How's that?
I shoot the dead. Dead bodies. Henry VIII is just the latest in a long line of the tortured and textured characters he so enjoys inhabiting. And while many think they may know Jude Law, the person, he still says most. Haven't got a clue.
I quite like there always to be an element of surprise that people don't know me well enough to be able to say. Oh, this is just like him or something. I'd rather they didn't. I think that's part of the fun of being an actor. There's a magic to it that you can't always dissect or understand until you're sort of in it doing it, and then you reflect and think.
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The Internet has changed our lives in so many ways. But sometimes it seems all that content is here today, gone tomorrow. Enter the Wayback Machine. David Pogue takes us on a journey back in time. Uh David Samuel plays viola in a San Francisco string quartet, but he almost didn't make it into this country.
I'm a Canadian citizen and therefore needed a work visa if I was coming to the United States, an artist visa. That visa required special documentation. I was tasked with finding. Old Programs, articles, interviews, anything that could demonstrate that I had contributed significantly to the field. Unfortunately, most of that stuff had disappeared from the internet over the years.
And somebody said, oh, you should check out the internet archive, the Wayback Machine. The Wayback Machine is a time machine for the web. Mark Graham is the Wayback Machines director. It does that by going and looking at web pages, hundreds of millions of them, every single day right now, and stores them in our servers. The Wayback Machine has been making backup copies of the World Wide Web since 1996, coming up on 900 billion web pages backed up.
It's free and public. Start at archive.org.
Now you can see what the New York Times looked like in 1996. or what Netflix looked like when it was a D V D by mail company. Or what's your own website look like? whenever. About a million people a day use the Wayback Machine.
Journalists, fact-checkers, politicians, policy makers, students. I think it's a surprise to most people that web pages are as fleeting. As they actually. Oh, it's kind of a cruel joke to call them a page. The average life of a web page is 100 days.
before it's changed or deleted. Computer scientist Brewster Kahl created the Wayback Machine in 1996 as part of a non-profit called the Internet Archive. Its San Francisco headquarters do look the part. It's a beautiful building. But I mean, it screens your mission.
You know, this is a temple of knowledge. Absolutely. Inside, you'll find the original pews. Slightly creepy statues of everyone who's ever worked for the Internet Archive, and banks and banks and banks of computers.
So is it like that's a hard drive, that's a hard drive, that's a hard drive, that's a hard drive? Exactly right. This is about 1/20th of the servers that are one copy of the Internet Archive, and then there are multiple copies to keep it safe. But Brewster Kahle wants to back up more than just the web. He wants to back up everything.
Can we get all of the published works of humankind available to anybody curious enough to have access to it? He's backing up old music. And old video games. Oregon Trail, Prince of Persia, and Early Pac-Man. and T V shows.
We have maybe the world's biggest VCR. Eliza, we've got some new books. And books. And everything Kale backs up, he makes free online. Even the obscure stuff like vintage game shows, knitting magazines, and pet rock manuals.
You can even check out the books he's scanned as though from a library. And that's where the trouble begins. The publishers decided to sue the Internet Archive over lending books. The music publishers, they're suing for $400 million. if they win these cases, Could that end the Internet Archive?
Yes. The Association of American Publishers declined an interview, but wrote to us There is simply no legal justification for copying millions of copyrighted books, changing them into E books, and distributing them to the public all without getting permission. We'll see how it all all turns out. It's being fought out in the courts. The publishers won their lawsuit against Kale's operation.
He's filed an appeal. The record company's lawsuit is pending. Uh In happier news, violist David Samuel did wind up finding every concert program, interview, and article he needed for his visa. on the Wayback Machine. And even some stuff that I had forgotten about.
And I received my green card just a few months ago in September. Wow.
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