GUILTY: NY jury convicts Donald Trump on all 34 counts

From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmead. Hey. Hi everyone, welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kilmey Show and Historic Edition. As we look back at the conviction that took place yesterday and all 34 counts, you know, about 4:15, we get word that that's it for the day.

And I thought to myself, they're not staying till 6:30. All right, I'll go into the gym. And then all of a sudden, I'm seeing this situation. I'm getting a bunch of text messages. Brian, you were right, as you predicted on Fox and Friends.

We got a verdict, and I thought, what happened? It turns out the judge says, I'm sorry. I just got a message from the jury. They're ready. And then the conviction came down.

And we'll take some calls on that. I just want to get your reflections. This hour, Bob Cusack will be with us, editor-in-chief of The Hill, what this means politically to both sides. And with me in studios, one of the best in the business, great legal mind, Jonathan Turley, constitutional law professor, George Washington University, Fox News contributor, and did not take part. You did not take part.

Your faculty member did not take part in those protests at George Washington University. Or did you? Were you in a pub? Jonathan Turley, were you in a pub tent about a month ago? You know what?

I left my tent at home. It was B-Y-O-T, and I left it. And you decided not to, you couldn't park for a while.

Well, it was nice because it was right outside my office. But no, you couldn't get into the building. Right. You don't seem like the, you didn't seem pro-Hamas to me anyway.

So, Jonathan, we watched your great coverage, your great analysis, your great prediction, and it really. It really was a turning point for me when you said late last week that the best they can hope for is a hung jury because this looks like a conviction, and we got a conviction on 34 counts. In retrospect, 24 hours later, what are you thinking? You know, to the very end, I was hoping for a hung jury. I was hoping that they could redeem some of the integrity of the New York system, because I do believe that this was a political prosecution.

It's something this country is not used to. But after the instructions became clear, I wrote a column saying that it had all the markings of a canned hunt, where you actually shoot game in a small cage. Which I did not know the reference when you mentioned that to me on Fox and Brands and you said, Brian, get out of the city. Because after the instructions became clear, I could see why jurors thought they had no choice but to convict. And it got really bizarre, of course, when the judge said you don't even have to agree on what occurred.

Just agree that some second crime occurred among these three. And we'd have no idea what their verdict was. We have no idea what the actual second crime was. And that, I think, is the first on the list of reversible errors. Ten hours of.

10 hours of debate among the 12 jurors. They're still facing, the president is still facing, the foreign president is still facing three indictments in three separate jurisdictions, as well as those two civil trials, which he lost. And I'm sure he's waiting on appeal now to see how much money, if any, he's going to have to pay. What I think is fascinating now is the reaction on other channels. For the most part, here is a Rachel Maddow, Katie Tur, Howard Lippmann.

Let's listen, Cut 19. He thinks this is a tough guy look that will work for him, presumably. He also kind of has to lean into it, right? You can't pretend not to be a criminal while you're a criminal defendant. We've been holding our breath as a country for a long time, waiting for the cavalry to arrive in the form of the rule of law.

And it did arrive today, and it's a majestic day. I wanted to be able to see this moment with my own eyes. In about three weeks from today, I will have been covering Donald Trump for nine years. There will not have been a day in the past nine years, I think, where I have not mentioned his name or at least thought a thought about Donald Trump. Cavalry came.

People are happy. It's amazing. I mean, there were no legal minds there, but it was amazing. Is how it likes to be. It is.

And it's the idea with that last quote that this completes me after nine years. Katie Terry. Yes, is really, I think, what I saw outside the courtroom. I have a book coming out on the age of rage, but I still don't When you see rage up uh close It it really is Otherworldly, how addictive, how contagious it is. The rage I saw coming out of that courtroom after the verdict.

Really, it's just sort of stopped me in my tracks. People were celebrating, the people celebrating the conviction. You know, there's a dehumanizing element to this, that it's not a person anymore. It's not someone with a family. It's just unlimited joy.

People were dancing and cheering. And it to me it was a very sad day for the legal system. Look, you can debate some of these other cases, but I don't think anyone could reasonably say that this was not a prosecution and a crime designed solely for Donald Trump. It was political. Even people on other networks have said this would never have been brought up against anyone else.

Or you can't right, and they could never work in any other district. And yet it doesn't matter because you have that rage. And you saw it in the comments you just gave, that this really has completed people in a really sick way. I would feel the same way about the conviction of Joe Biden or any other president. It's not a happy day.

Even if you thought there were legitimate crimes here, which I do not, it would not be a happy day. You know, you don't go dancing in the streets of New York because another person was just convicted of 34 felony counts. And why was it all or nothing? Every time I would bring this up to a legal mind like yours, you'd say, you know, Brian, these these convi these charges are all the very same, very similar, so it's it's going to be hard to break them up.

Okay.

Well, that's the the troubling thing. You know, when I was in the courtroom, I was thinking, oh boy, you know, I've got to keep track of which counts are which, because I thought that they might just convict on the retainer counts. But by the time they got to ten, I was like, okay, this is going to be easier than I thought because they're running the table. And I do think that once they crossed the Rubicon on whatever conflict they had, they just viewed all of these counts as largely the same. They weren't, but if you look at the instructions, once they committed on one, they were likely to commit on all.

Does the prosecution How much does the prosecution's recommendations to the judge matter? Does he there if they the prosecution says, I recommend jail time by July 11th when we have sentencing, I recommend no jail time, I recommend probation, whatever it is, weekend jail, how much does that matter?

Well, it matters in the sense of if they come back and do not request jail time. I think that's the biggest impact on a court because often a court takes the view of, well, you know, if the people are not asking for jail time, I'm really going beyond what they are looking for in terms of justice. Otherwise, it's going to be up to Judge Mershon. I wrote today on my blog that I think that jail would be an added abuse to this case. It would be ridiculous to sentence an elderly first-time offender to a nonviolent crime to jail.

I've never seen anything quite like that. I assume Mershon would realize that he would look not just abusive but ridiculous. I think that the best solution would be to have a conditional dismissal, which is not uncommon, to say basically go out and sin no more. You will be under this probationary umbrella. If you commit a new crime, we're going to have another Hearing.

Otherwise, you get into some very tough complications here. You know, even before the sentencing, the standard rule is you need permission from the probation officer to travel outside of the state.

Well, here you've got a guy running for president. Are you going to have some probation officer say, well, okay, Kansas, yes, South Dakota, no. I mean, it's a weird situation. Mershon has repeatedly refused to acknowledge or make any, not acknowledge, but make any changes to the fact that this is the leading presidential candidate. And this is going to be another one of those moments.

Is he going to finally acknowledge that? Because if you treat him like a standard person in the probation system, we're going to have a snowballing of problems here.

So there's a few things scenarios, and you tell me what's likely: a sentence of no jail or up to four years for each offense. The judge could sentence him to anything from zero to the max. They also said that he could go to jail every weekend for a period of time and then. Serve the rest of the sentence in probation.

So on Saturday and Sunday, he goes into jail? Right. And then you have real constitutional issues that come up. What if he's elected president? Are you going to say that he has to stay in home confinement, even through a nuclear attack, or you can't really go see the head of a foreign country because you need to stay home?

That's going to get more and more weird. Look, I wouldn't put anything. I'll stop you there. That's why maybe I wouldn't vote for him. You're affecting an election.

If that is the case, I can't vote for them. I can't vote for him an independent. And if he's going to be in jail, it's going to hurt our country. I'm going to have to vote for the other guy. Yeah, I mean, look, I think that it'll be interesting how this plays out because sitting in that room.

You really did feel the weight of history. You felt that something happening was happening here that would change the country. Clearly, part of that is that you just convicted a former president. But there was also a sense that this might be its own Rubicon moment for many people in this country. That I do believe that this is raw political interference.

This is a raw political prosecution. We're not used to seeing that in this country.

So Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., was a Democrat his whole life until recently. He says, My strategy is to beat Donald Trump. The Democratic Party strategy is to beat Donald Trump at the courtroom rather than the ballot box. This will backfire in November.

Even worse, it's profoundly undemocratic. America deserves a president who can win at the ballot box without compromising our government's separation of powers or weaponization of the court. There's a growing sense that this could boomerang. And if you look at numbers, I know that's not exactly your thing, Jonathan, but to see what the American public thinks, I mean, the numbers, the money is flowing in to the convicted side. Yeah, you know, we've seen this merger of politics and law in other cases, and it gets very complex because, yeah, there might be some marginal voters that said, oh, my God, he's now a convicted felon.

I won't vote. But there will also be some marginal voters that say, I don't like this. I don't particularly like Trump, but I don't like this. And so you may have a shifting of votes that essentially nullify each other. But I think that once we're the morning after.

Most people are not like those I saw outside the courthouse. Most people are going to look at this with some circumspection. And it is troubling. And when I say we're not used to this, it's in our DNA that the legal system stands apart from politics. We've lost that.

We've certainly lost that with some legal analysts who are joining the sort of mob on this. This should be deeply troubling for everyone. You know, standing next to Bragg was Carangelo, who was the third-ranked person at the Biden Justice Department, came over here to help rack. Right. And there's not even an effort to sort of hide these different sort of connections.

But it's not being hidden from the American people. And when I say it's in our DNA, Sometimes When bad things happen, good things result. This is a bad thing, I think, for our legal system. You know, a lot of people felt that way in retrospect with Bill Clinton. They felt like the Republicans got too zealous.

He ended up looking like a victim and an imperfect victim like many of the people who vote are imperfect. And he ended up winning a reelection in a landslide. Yeah, I think that is true. And that's where you have that merger. Don't move, Jonathan Charlie.

Stick it around. We've warm out, but not quite yet. Bob Cusack at the bottom of the hour. Don't move. Brian Kill Me.

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Like, subscribe, and share. A talk show that's real. This is the Brian Killmead Show. Given the indictment as it was written, the proof as it came in, establishing the facts necessary to support those charges as written, and the jury instructions surrounding the statute in question, I think the jurors really had no choice, and I don't think they had much difficulty reaching these conclusions. I think the issue with this case has always been.

more legal than factual. That is Ty Cobb, who's come out very anti-Trump these days, but I don't think anything he said, Jonathan Turley, you could really dispute. You felt like they cornered the market, didn't you? Before I did. I think that the judge reduced the space for the defense to move in and dramatically reduced the space for the jury to decide in.

I think it's true that this comes down to the law. You know, after those instructions came out, I was hoping for a hung jury, but most of us came to expect a conviction. I was still hoping for a mixed verdict that they would go with, for example, the retainer stuff and not the other stuff. But I do think that he's right. In that one of the interesting things about this case is they spent a lot of time proving stuff that was not being contested.

It gave the appearance that they were building a case. But the fact is, the NDA was not in dispute. The NDA is not unlawful. It's not even uncommon. What was said in some of these meetings.

Meetings were not largely disputed. The problem is that none of that amounted to a crime, in the view of some of us. Michael Cohen spoke out yesterday, cut nine. You know When Ye I'm nervous. I was nervous because so much was writing.

on the result of this and I wanted to ensure That my testimony was perfect. I knew that there could be no deviation from perfection. Both Donny and I afterwards, when the whole thing was over, we sat and we spoke for a little bit about My testimony. Anyway couldn't understand some of the criticisms. Can you understand some of the criticisms on his testimony you were there, Jonathan Terrell?

Yes. I the fact is that he did crash and burn on the stand. It just didn't matter, particularly after the instructions. But I love him saying truth matters. That is not exactly how people would sum up Cohen's career.

I don't know what's more troubling, the fact that Donald Trump is looking at potential jail time or that Cohen's going to be back on TikTok. But this is going to unleash Cohen again. He's going to run for Congress. Look, he may win because we're living in such an insane time. He succeeded.

uh in a way that I would never have occurred in any other district. You're right. I just don't know if he's popular with either side. And I think he's going to realize that there's not many people that still want to stay in touch with him on the left because they look at him as somebody that was useful, but not necessarily a new friend outside Rosie O'Donnell. Yeah, one of the most bizarre moments of the closing argument was when Steinglass said that Stormy Daniels was just a mother looking after her children and all of this.

And then Cohen, he said, was just trying to support his family in his multi-million-dollar condo, making $2 million a year. He made it sound like Cohen was doing a push cart down Broadway just to put food on the table. And I thought at some point that insults the jury that just heard that this guy was raking in millions in attacking Trump. But now he's going to rake in a lot more. You think so?

How? Oh, I think he's going to get even more money. I think that people hate Trump so much that look before he went anti-Trump, he was despised. He was vilified. Nobody would half the people wouldn't even interview him.

Now he's got the touch, right? He's the guy that brought down Donald Trump. The fact is, 99% of this case was Michael Cohen. That's why no one can believe there was a guilty verdict.

So, yeah, we'll see. The fixer. It's the wrong thing. I mean, he's the breaker, actually. Todd Blanch, how did he do?

Well, you know, I always am reluctant to criticize defense counsel. I've been there in high-profile cases. You don't know what the client is saying. You know, what limitations are there. We would all try cases differently.

You know, would I have taken a different direction? I think I would have, quite frankly. In the New York Times, they say he should have focused on just one area and not try to exonerate him from every relationship and every accusation. I thought he did a very good job on Cohen. There were many very good moments for the defense.

I would have done it a bit differently. I think you don't want to keep certain things at an arm length. I think you should have charged into the Trump Tower thing. I think Seinglass had the right inclination where he mocked the defense. The defense should have mocked the government.

They should have said, let's go to this trilateral commission conspiracy moment in the Trump Tower. What was actually said? It was such a huge conspiracy. Pecker said he had no idea what it was about. And it turns out it was 20 minutes.

And Pecker said, I basically went there to say that I've been killing stories and helping, doing helpful stories, and I intend to keep on doing that. And Stormy Daniels wasn't even, the Stormy Daniels stuff wasn't mentioned. He didn't want to do that. I think you grabbed this. I also would have definitely not kept the NDA at arm's length.

You want to come in there and say, damn right, there was an NDA. That's what happens with celebrities, and it's lawful, and it's not unusual. And the doorman was a fake story. Yeah, thank you, Jonathan. A radio show like no other is Brian Killmead.

First of all, I'd say this was. Probably the weakest case of the cases that that people were brought against him. Um and I think it will my belief is that it will end up helping President Trump. Among America a large part of American public. who believes that the That the judicial system and the enforcement system have been weaponized against politically.

And that's bad for our country. And it was. And I don't think there's any doubt about it, but some people don't care. Bob Cusack, editor-in-chief of The Hill. Bob, you're in Washington, right?

I am. Yes indeed.

So you heard the verdict. How did it feel in Washington among the circles that do what you do for a living, with the people you talk to?

Well it's It's certainly politically charged on both sides. I mean, I think this has really revved up the interest. in the race, which had been, I think, you know, lukewarm from not the government, you know, political junkies like us, but now I think real people are starting to really look at this race and make some decisions. And obviously, strong feelings on both sides. But I tell you, it looked like a bit of a circus in New York.

It wasn't the circus in D.C., the streets of D.C. last night, but it's politically charged. No question. And in terms of money and donations, the Trump can't believe they got big numbers. We might hear some of that at 11 o'clock today.

No question about it. They needed money and they're getting it. They got $100 million, it looks like, from Miriam Uh Adderson. Sheldon Addison's widow, and she's going to start a super PAC. Ken Ackman came out, the big hedge fund guy, and said, I was with Nikki Haley, now I'm with Trump.

Elon Musk seems to be with Trump, too.

So I think the right is consolidating around him. And I look at the polls in Virginia and New Hampshire, both Blue that are now in a dead heat.

So where is this race?

Well, this race certainly is Trump's to lose at this point.

Now, we don't know. Let's see where the polling is after this. It'll be interesting. You know, I don't think there's going to be a major change. I really don't.

I do think that Biden has to be worried about those type of states. You mentioned New Hampshire, Virginia, which is where I live, right outside of D.C., and also Minnesota. I mean, Biden has to win all of those states. And if he loses any of them, he's toast.

So while most people did expect a conviction in this case, so politics is all about. expectations. People expected that. They also have been supporting Trump in this race.

So let's see. A lot of the Biden people thought, well, out of the State of the Union, we'll get a bump from that. That didn't happen. There has not been a bump from Biden in a long time. And remember, Trump still has yet to pick his VP.

So maybe even if he takes a little bit of a hit, from this news, from the conviction news, he's going to get a bump from the VP in all likelihood.

So you'd rather be Trump than Biden right now despite the convictions. Interesting, right? And then we still got to find out about sentencing, how much freedom he's going to have after July 11th, knowing the RNC is coming up in a debate. One will be in the books by then.

So the Trump team is already rolling out political ads. Trump is having a presser today at 11, had a fundraiser last night, cut 24. This guy, this is the voice of Joe Rogan. I think they have no cards, and they're depending upon Trump getting convicted. That Trump train doesn't show any signs of slowing down.

The only verdict that matters. is the verdict at the ballot box. That's a little of the ads that are rolling out, taking some commentary from commentators. Ha ha ha ha. Yeah, listen, I mean, Trump's team's very good, uh, whether it's on social media or in traditional ad.

They know how to play the game. They know how to raise money off a crisis, and they're raising a lot of it, as you mentioned. And Trump goes on on offense, and we've seen him a lot more than we've seen Biden. And Trump is more media accessible, and he's going to be very media accessible after this, now that he can speak freely. I do think the sentencing is going to be very interesting and very tricky, perhaps, if it's.

If it's very aggressive, I don't expect it to be. I know there'll be appeals, but I think in some ways Democrats spiking the ball and the judge sentencing on July 11th could really backfire, depending on what the content of that sentencing is. I didn't see much formal spiking of the ball. I mean, with Bragg or with Biden. And he didn't make any statement at all for the most part that him personally.

I thought he'd come out and have a press conference. I guess I was wrong. In a text to supporters at the Biden headquarters, despite a jury finding Donald Trump guilty today, there's still only one way to keep Donald Trump out of the off-office, and that's the ballot box. Convicted felon or not, Trump will be the Republican nominee for president. But there is one other certainty as you read this: Donald Trump supporters are fired up and likely setting fundraising records for his campaign.

So they go on. I'm very curious because he also has his son about to stand trial right next to him in Washington, where his homes are in Delaware.

So that's got to be. In the back of his mind, don't you think, Bob Cusack? I do. I do. I think that's definitely on the president's mind without a doubt.

And I also think that now this conviction is going to be kind of like rocket fire for the debates. And I think Biden will try to bait the former president. The former president will try to bait the current president. And that's going to be hopefully a better debate than we saw in the first debate in 2020, which was a little out of control. But listen, you know, this could really help Trump in the biggest weakness I think he had, and that was money.

We'll see what he brings in over the next week or months, but it's going to probably be a record even for Trump. They believe. To the Biden team, that him making regular speeches, two or three a day, when he gets back on the campaign trail, will help them. They'll be able to pull out some nugget, whether it's the word bloodbath or whether it's saying Venezuela sending in their criminals and try to make it seem like he doesn't like South Hispanic people. They feel as though when he's out, they could say, see how crazy he is?

How effective is that, Bob? Being that we've known Donald Trump. He's the most popular. He's the most well-known person in the world. Is there anything we're going to learn in one of his speeches that's going to change anybody's mind?

No, you know, and a couple things on that one. That doesn't make any sense. Because remember 2016 when Trump was doing a half a dozen rallies a day and Hillary Clinton was barely doing one?

Well, that didn't work out for Democrats. Instead of Democrats, I think, bashing Trump again and again, which they've done for years, and in some elections, Democrats have done okay, and in some elections, Republicans have won. I think they really need to focus on having Joe Biden show more empathy for all the inflation that this country has experienced. He hasn't shown that at all. He's been very stubborn and defensive on the economy, and he's down in this race.

You know, because of the economy, nothing else, and partially immigration, too. We're going to hear a lot about abortion from Democrats, but the biggest issue right now is economy and inflation. And who has the advantage there? Trump, and that's why he's winning. And that's what those sources inside that political story said.

Every time they compare the four years of Trump to Biden, their guy, these unnamed sources, do poorly. And that's what Joe Biden evidently doesn't understand because he keeps talking about bidenomics.

So a couple of things that I think I want to like to go over. And that's the latest poll about a conviction. This was done before the conviction.

So here's the question. And it's among Democrats. Are you less or more likely to vote for Trump if he's convicted? 7% more likely, 27% less likely, 65% no difference. Republicans, more or less likely.

25% more likely if he's convicted. 10% less likely. 64% no difference. But the key is independents, and 15% to 11 say more likely.

So that's pretty interesting because we also hear in New York and these what I didn't think are battleground states, more and more independents are leaning Trump. Yeah, and that's why even there have been some polls in New York showing Biden, who won New York easily.

Now it's down to single digits. I mean, pollsters don't waste money polling states that aren't close. And the fact that New York is close And that's why Democrats Are freaking out, and it's going to be interesting because those independents, and a Harvard Harris poll recently said 31%, which I think is probably a little bit too high, said that they're still weighing their options.

So this race can be won by either side. You have to run a very effective closing campaign. Trump is definitely ahead of the horse race now, but it's going to come down to money, and it's going to come down to strategy, and it's going to come down to the debates. Yeah, it seems like they're probably going to, it's baked in. They're probably going to get more money.

We're also going to look at world events too, see what's happening in Gaza, see how people feel about how it's going in Ukraine, see about the threat of China, the sanctions aren't working, losing the dollar as the world's currency would be devastating. These are some of the things that could be brought up. Lastly, Bob, from what you can understand about the rules, I believe these rules are going to work for Trump. When they kill your mic and let the other guy talk, if you've seen the few interviews that Joe Biden does, his speeches that he gives, he easily gets off track. He easily loses his train of thought.

He easily throws out words that make no sense. Trump was almost saving him by interrupting him last time. This will kill his mic. I think it could help him. I think it's a good point, Brian.

And I really do, because I was watching the 2020 debates recently after they finally agreed to debate. And Biden is not as sharp as he was back then.

So I do think it could be an advantage because and that's what Trump should have done honestly in the first debate in 2020, let Joe Biden speak, give him the mic. And I think Trump is going to be More composed this time. And I think, yes, if Biden has, if Biden has a tough moment or a freezing McConnell moment or a health moment or anything like that. Remember, this is before the Democratic Convention. Democrats are going to be freaking out more and there'll be more speculation that Biden will step aside.

But I don't see that happening. I think they're whether they like it or not, they got Biden, and they're going to either win or lose with him. I agree. Bob Cusek, thanks so much. Editor-in-chief of The Hill, always great to follow The Hill and get an unbiased perspective about what's happening inside the nation's capital.

Bob, thanks. I appreciate it. 1866-408-7669. I know everybody out there wants to speak. This is your opportunity.

Left a lot of time. I'm going to try to get to as many calls around the country. Where you think? Let's move it forward. Where do you think we go from here?

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Mr. Steinglass, I think some of you probably saw him speak a little bit the other day.

So he's done his job. It was very satisfying to finally see this guy gets him come up and. Thank you so much. Anything going on today? Yeah, Hillary Clinton now thinks that she, that's how he stole the election from Stormy Daniels.

My goodness, how stupid do they think people are? Mark Elias evidently feels the same way. That evil attorney that's still screwing with these elections. He was the one who booked the whole dossier thing and implemented the fake Russia investigation that destroyed our foreign policy. Just a little of the reaction from the conviction yesterday.

I promised to open up the phones, and we're doing it, man. We're packed. Let's go to Lara in Louisville, Kentucky. Hey, Lara. Hi, I talked to you the other day and I told you I thought that they were going to lock him up.

I mean, gonna convict him, and they did. And I still don't think that they're done. They're gonna put this man in jail because they hate him that bad. It would be a huge leap to put a 77-year-old with no prior record in jail.

Well, but look, they don't care. No, they don't care. Like the hatred is off the charts. And what is scary to me is us the people, we can't do anything because they're doing whatever we want. And yes, we're all screaming to the hills, but I mean, nobody's doing anything.

So What do you do to Well, I mean, you start the appeal process right away within 30 days. They're going to start with the judge never should have been behind the bench. They're going to talk about the jury instructions, how uneven it is and unfair, the people that were not allowed to testify. They got a strong case. If he can stay out of jail and not have weekend arrests and things to that nature, I think they got a pretty good game plan.

You heard that one ad with Joe Rogan. I think it's pretty good. Thanks, Lara. Mark, listen to WHIO and Dayton. Mark.

Hi how you doing, Brian? Uh if I was uh Trump's team, I would I would have them tell Trump to say I feel your pain. And like all the Americans of color that were wrongly convicted in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, I am uniquely. qualified now to fight your battles and help you overcome these issues. I don't think you need to say it.

I think if people feel that way, they see it. I think that might be a little bit on the pandering side that we see that shamelessly being done by Joe Biden and his staff. But I think he can easily recover from this if he's allowed to keep his freedom and the other cases stay at bay. And there's more at stake than him with him than anybody else outside our country. Because if he's forced to deal with the other three indictments without the fuel and the money of the of the party, Man, it's gonna be lonely, especially without the few the the the thought of being the next president.

Roy, listen to W V Uh V G A In Valdusta, Georgia. Hey Roy. Hey morning, Brian. Thanks for taking the call. Back in the Battle of Mobile Bay, Admiral Farragut said, Damn the torpedoes full.

speed ahead. And that's what Mark Levin said last night on his program. We need to quit sitting on our hands, waiting for something to happen. You just said he's got to file within 30 days. I'd have filed within 30 minutes.

Go straight to the Supreme Court and get this thing done. I knew he was going to be convicted.

Now we know what we need to do.

So let's just get it done. Yes. I mean, move forward, but you if you hurdle the appellate court, go right to the Supreme Court and they reject it, then you got to start from square one. Nobody says that what Mark Levin said is necessarily wrong. They do say it's so unlikely the Supreme Court would want to get involved in an election.

They still have not recovered from Bush v. Gore. In terms of perception, I'm not saying they're corrupt or great or forget what I think. Perception: You don't want the Supreme Court to decide who the next president is, even though the Democrats, to Mark's point, are trying to decide who Joe Biden's opponent will be. And now that they think they can't stop that, they'll think they'll stop it a different way.

Thanks, Roy. Mike in Columbus, Ohio. Hey, Mike. Brian, thanks for having me on. I'll tell you two things.

First of all, all you Stalinist Marxist, I'm sorry, quote unquote Democrats, congratulations, you just invigorated All of the base. that much more, you've motivated them. I think last time, we did think there was going to be a huge wave. A lot of people stay at home that are going to be out there. And people that are waffling, people that are independents, or whatever the they claim to be are now going to see exactly just how corrupt Cow Uh This Enfranchised, everybody is from the corruption and everything that they are doing, that they are going to get out there and they're going to support.

DJT.

So I think it helps get people off the couch. Will it convert the independents or the undecideds? I think it'll mobilize people to throw. You know, I don't want to, you know, Trump's gonna, Trump doesn't need my vote.

Now I think they're saying, no, now I'm ticked off.

Now, this is a farce.

Now I'm going to get out there. But I worry about the couch. That's the bigger one. Uh so that's gonna be the ward. Gary in Daytona, Florida.

Hey Gary. Yeah, good morning, Brian. Yeah, I think uh Jonathan touched on it a little bit. Had the mine some of the minefields are the sentencing along with I think a lot of people, the Democrats, have to be really wondering what's going to happen if Hunter walks one hundred percent free and clear on everything before the election along with the debate's going to be interesting. But Uh I also heard how sick it is.

A MSNBC person say this is the uh first time uh in the last nine years she speaks Donald Trump's name every day. Katie Terr, she's obsessed. Uh not as bad as some of them on that channel. But she is obsessed. They're all obsessed because they get up every day and they just can't believe this guy's gonna is leading again, despite the fact they've been trying to rip him for nine years.

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This hour going to be joined by Tom Dupree on Skypist.

So if you have the Fox News app or you're watching on Fox Nation, you get a chance to see what Tom looks like. Send to Joni Ernst at the bottom of the hour. Then I'll do a simulcast. You get to see me again and make sure I am dressed with Stuart Varney. And we'll be talking about the verdict and we'll be talking about Joe Biden and was he going to come out and speak.

We know the former president will be speaking today. Last night he had a fundraiser, so that's significant. We know that the site went down and it's not hype. I went to it just to see what was happening. It was stopped and I saw Clay.

And a few of the other guys here were writing to, they were tweeting out. I can't get on the site to see if people are actually donating, and they were after the 34-count guilty verdict yesterday.

Now we're waiting for July 11th. Why July 11th? There's going to be sentencing. Before that, we're going to have a debate. Then, right after July 11th, we'll find out what's about the RNC.

I think there'll be a lot of momentum there in Milwaukee. They want to win Wisconsin, it makes a lot of sense. But will Donald Trump be in jail? I mean, you have people saying that he will be in jail. Tom Dupree joins us now, former Deputy Assistant Attorney General, who might be a little tired of talking to me because I did speak to you on Fox and Friends today, Tom.

It's good to see you again, Brian. Yeah, absolutely.

So, Tom, first off, I'm just trying to see what Andrew Weissman. Andrew Weissman and on the other channels, you know, he ran the Mueller investigation. He also screwed up the Enron case, and he's obsessed with getting Donald Trump, in my view. And he says, yeah, it's a Class E felony, and he's a first-time guy, and he's 77. But look at the way he's talked about the judge.

Look at the defiance he's had for the system. I think he gets jail. What are your thoughts? You know, Brian, I'm not one of those in the camp who thinks the President could get sentenced to jail here. I just don't see it, to be honest.

I think a far likelier scenario is that the judge sentences him to probation, possibly with a fine on top of it. I mean, if for some reason the judge did want to look at some sort of incarceration type option, he could always look at home confinement. But I don't even see that, frankly. I think the likeliest outcome here, if and when a sentence is imposed, and it's an if, but if and when a sentence is imposed. I would say probation.

And then what changes? Does he have to check in with his probation officer every time he wants to go out of the state, like let's say you or I would?

Well, it depends on the conditions the judge imposes. I do not think there would be a requirement that the former president would have to check in to get permission to leave the state. That said, he would have to check in regularly with the probation officer. The thing they keep an eye on is basically whether the person reoffends or does something that violates the terms of his probation, which I think in this case would be unlikely, but he still would have to check in. I understand that through this system, you go to probation for an interview before the sentencing.

And the prosecution will get to that, what they'll recommend. At which time, Donald Trump will advocate for himself. I understand. And then that probation officer will give his report or her report to the judge. Does that sound like the process you know it?

Because that's what it's been outlined to me. Yeah, that's a pretty accurate description, Brian. And look, I got to say, what a bizarre meeting that is going to be. You're going to have the former president of the United States sitting down in probably some small, cramped, dingy office in a New York state office building with a probation officer. And this is a guy who, keep in mind, is used to dealing with, how do I say it?

You know, criminals of a different nature and a different class than a former president of the United States, right? And so Trump is going to have a chance to speak directly to the probation officer. And the defense can and will urge the probation officer to recommend a particular sentence. It doesn't mean the probation officer has to accept it. They can and do disagree, but if nothing else, they'll at least have their say and get to weigh in on that recommendation.

Prediction: Will the prosecution recommend jail? I gotta think they will. You know, they have pursued this very aggressively. I suspect that there would be, I don't know, somewhat of an outcry from a lot of the liberal Democratic community if they thought that the DA at this stage was backing down and trying to exact the maximum punishment.

So that would be my expectation. Although, look, in their heart of hearts, they may realize they're unlikely to get that request granted, but I suspect that's what they would ultimately recommend.

So here's Alvin Bragg yesterday, and I didn't see the gloating from the White House, and I didn't see the gloating from Bragg. Cut seven. The twelve everyday jurors vowed to make a decision based on the evidence and the law. and the evidence and the law alone. Their deliberations led them to a unanimous conclusion Beyond a reasonable doubt, That the defendant Donald J.

Trump is guilty of thirty-four counts of falsifying business records in the first degree. to conceal a scheme to corrupt The 2016 election. And while this defendant Maybe unlike any other In American history, we arrived at this trial and ultimately today at this verdict in the same manner as every other case that comes through the courtroom doors. All right, my witness first, Tom. He actually said that he conspired.

The defendant may be unlike. I'll take that one step back. He was convicted of thirty-four counts of falsifying business records in the first degree to conceal a scheme to corrupt the 2016 election. Really? An NDA is a scheme to corrupt the 2016 election?

That is something that I don't believe was in the notes and the conclusion in the counts, was it? Not exactly. No, I mean, the way that this was presented to the jury is they had to find the falsification of the business records, but they were given, you know, pretty free range in determining what the unlawful means or the unlawful purpose or the unlawful objective was. And as we saw, as you know, over the course of this trial, there was a bit of hide-the-ball going on. It was never entirely clear exactly what the underlying crime, or I should say, the crime that would elevate these misdemeanors to a felony was.

Then, their closing argument, the prosecutors got around to saying, well, they thought it was a violation of state election law. But as you know, the jury instructions, again, gave the jury, you know, pretty wide range to find that predicate conduct and didn't require them to reach unanimity as to precisely what those unlawful means or unlawful purpose was. And he also said that he brings this case like any other case since the 1930s in a white-collar criminal situation. He goes, the defendant might have been different, but the But ultimately, this case would have been brought anyway. Nobody believes that, Tom Dupree.

And look, the the the the way the DA has pitched this is that they say we bring these falsification of business record cases all the time. Um they they've pointed out, if I'm remembering correctly, that in I guess Bragg's fifteen month fifteen month tenure that they've prosecuted, I don't know, thirty four defendants or something like that. But But the key point here, to your point, is none of those defendants were a former president of the United States who is being accused of falsifying business records to pursue what is otherwise a very lawful end of influencing a federal election. You know, there's nothing unlawful about non-disclosure agreements. There's nothing unlawful about trying to influence a federal election.

And it was those factors that made this case, again, unique and unprecedented in American history.

So I got to bring you to Michael Cohn because he's very critical. of uh Todd Blanche. Cut channel. It was a very, and I had said it, it was a very foolish strategy and He's not Really known as a defense attorney. I think it's only his second defense trial.

Yeah. not a good strategy and proof positive of that is the thirty four count verdict. I was going to call him a sloat, which is the stupidest lawyer of all time. You cannot listen to your client when you are trying to create a defense, a defense that. Is it as important as this one is So, number one, did he listen to his client?

I have no idea. How would Michael Cohen know? I I Michael Cohen can't know. Look, I I Todd Blanch last night when he was talking about what happened, I I remember at one point he was asked, you know, did Trump play a role in defense? And He was very involved.

And I think Cohen is now using that to basically claim that it was, you know, Trump who was directing Blanche to make all sorts of strategic decisions. And look, the fact is, I thought Todd Blanche took a very appropriate, thoughtful, smart approach to Michael Cohen. I mean, if he hadn't gone after Michael Cohen with the vigor that he did, I think everyone would be second-guessing him because Cohen, of course, was the potential Achilles' heel in the prosecution's case. And any lawyer who let Cohen off and didn't push Cohen on as many lies over the years would be committing malpractice. They had to go after Cohen.

They did go after Cohen. It looks like the jury wasn't imposed or wasn't inclined to doubt Cohen's credibility at the end of the day. But from my perspective, that doesn't make it the wrong strategic call to have made a trial.

So when we talk about appeal, Marco Van has said, go right to the Supreme Court. What is the downside to trying to get them to take this case? And if you want an example, Bush v. Gore. That was a state case, it became a federal case.

At the highest court. Ken, do you see a pathway to getting this to the Supreme Court? I don't think they can go directly to the Supreme Court. I suppose there's no harm in trying, but I got to say the odds of that would be, you know, winning the lottery, getting the Supreme Court to take this case directly. They just never do that.

I think that the likelier approach here is to litigate this case through the kind of normal channels, which would be going up to the New York appellate courts. And look, I would say that the New York appellate courts, you saw they recently reversed the conviction of Harvey Weinstein based on improper evidence that was admitted at trial.

So there you have a case where I'm sure the judges in the New York appellate courts weren't big fans of Harvey Weinstein, but they nonetheless understood that an injustice had occurred at his trial and they reversed and threw out the conviction on that basis.

So I don't think the New York appellate courts are kind of an empty or hopeless road for Trump at this point. To the contrary, I think that they will take a fresh look at this case and bring to bear their independent judgment into whether this trial was properly conducted. President's going to speak in 40 minutes. Legally, if you were representing him, what would you tell? Tell him to avoid because the gag order technically is still on, right?

And the judge will make the decision on his sentence.

So, what should be in that presser today if you were advising him legally? Oh, gosh.

Well, you know, I'm sure any legal advice I would give him might go out the window because he's going to say what he's fired up today. Yeah, but look, I mean, yeah, putting on my lawyer's hat for that, I guess number one, I would stay, say, steer clear of anything that would violate the gag order because, to your point, it remains in place. This is the judge who is going to be imposing a sentence in a few months. And, you know, it goes without saying there could be potential costs if the judge thought that you were blatantly violating the gag order, you know, in the weeks or the months before he imposes a sentence.

So that would be my advice. But look, I'm confident the president is going to come out this morning in his typical fashion and he's going to say what's on his mind and what he thinks about the fairness or lack thereof of these proceedings. Buddy also knows, too, that if he does do something, the guy is capable of putting him in jail. And it's no longer if convicted, now they'll say he is convicted. And lastly, on immunity, any day the Supreme Court should rule on this, literally any day?

Or when do they usually come out with rulings like this? Yeah, um it it is literally Excuse me, it is literally any day. The Supreme Court will typically announce on its website the dates on which it is releasing opinions, and they usually come out right around 10 in the morning.

So you can log on to their website and see it come out in real time. And we will get a decision by the end of June. That's when the court adjourns for the summer.

So that's the one thing we can say with certainty is that we will get a decision before the Supreme Court breaks for the summer. And I mean, in all practicality, they're not going to say a former president is immune, but if they're saying you're immune as a president, they're going to define what exactly that is for the first time, maybe ever, right? That's right. That's right. In a kind of a criminal context, they've talked about immunity from civil litigation.

You'll remember all the litigation over Bill Clinton getting sued for all of his indiscretions. But this is the first time they've directly confronted this particular question about immunity from criminal prosecution. And look, I agree with you. I don't think the Supreme Court is going to resolve that issue in one fell swoop. I think they are going to articulate general principles of law, but then they're going to send it back to the lower courts to really parse through what those principles mean and how they apply in this case, which is to say, this case is not going to get restarted on a moment's notice once the Supreme Court decides it.

There's still going to be weeks, if not months, ahead of work ahead for the lower courts. Lastly, a broad sweeping question: Is this the end or just the beginning of law affair in politics? That is the question for the ages. I hope it's the end, but I'm realistic enough to know that things like this have consequences. And it doesn't take a huge leap of imagination to see a world a few years from now where you've got a, I don't know, crusading conservative Republican district attorney who wants to make a name for himself and files charges against a Democratic president or Democratic office holders or former Democratic office holders.

In the same way, kind of that this happened. I think about like a new normal. Yeah, I look at a Jamie Dimon. Running JPMorgan, I'm sure there's a lot of people who feel they were unjustly fired. I'm sure a lot of people feel they did too good in 2008.

And I'm sure there's a lot of people, let's say, with Kevin O'Leary, one of the most successful businessmen around Shark Tank. Let's say he wants to run. I'm sure there's people out there. They're going to find something about something that he did or didn't file. And next thing you know, they'll be weaponizing their background.

He'll be gummed up in another court system that doesn't affect anyone's life, like the O.J. Simpson murder, but they'll come up with something. It's just enough time to keep good people who had successful businesses and might have some scorned business partners, let alone personal issues, out of politics. That's the worry. That's a completely valid worry, Brian.

I worry about that a lot myself. And you got to keep an eye when people are running for office. I mean, we saw it this cycle, right? Where you see prosecutors running for office on a pledge that they're going to go after someone or stick at someone or put them in jail.

So it's really part of their campaign platform is pursuing these types of claims. And it's not a good thing for our system. But it's a good thing for you to break it down for us. Tom Dupree, former Deputy Assistant Attorney General. Thanks so much, Tom.

Thanks, Brian. All right. You had to talk to him twice in three hours, and it's always educational, always different. 1-866-408-7669. You guys are next.

Then I got Senator Joni Ernst, so don't move. You're with Brian Kilmead. If you're interested in it, Brian's talking about it. You're with Brian Kilmead. Hey, let's get in a few calls before we go to Santa Joni Ernst.

Thanks so much for listening. You are, Steve, you're in WABC. Steve, what's on your mind? Hey, Brian. Steve from Florida here.

Yeah, you know, uh Bragg is bragging about uh I guess whatever he's bragging about here. But he's raising Trump's poll so much And I don't know if you remember me, but I was the one that was pushing for Curtis Sleewa. He's a great guy. Yeah, well, anyway, I think more than ever now, I asked Leewa, because I call him all the time, I told him a year ago, I said, Sleewa never say never with Trump, because he was a never Trumpster.

Now he's backing Trump all the way. And I asked him, I said, I hope you don't mind me pushing for you Trump Sleewa, because all my posts I put Trump's leewa, Trump's leewa, Trump Sleewa. And trying to get him to be vice president, and he thanked me. Oh, no, thank you very much.

Well, he's going to run for governor again, Steve. For sure, he wants to take on governor, excuse me, Mayor. He wants to take on Mayor Adams, Billy, in Wichita Falls, Texas, beautiful area of Texas. Hey, Billy. Hey, Brian.

I'll be quick. I was thinking what would happen if. If Biden uh Pardon Trump, it would kind of post him to on the uh Political side for the people that are swinging, and it might stop some of the money coming in and All right. I don't know. It's kind of way out there, but that's where I'm at, Wichita Falls, way out there.

I know. Bill, a very patriotic area. I know that for sure.

Well, thanks so much for your comments. And when we come back, I'm going to get Senator Joni Ernst's thoughts on this. One thing it's happened. That I look for Nikki Hale to come out even stronger now. Governor Ron DeSantis tweeted something out immediately.

People like Susan Collins, who aren't fans of Trump, I'm not even sure if she voted for Trump, have spoken out against the case. Mitch McConnell, somebody said this case has never been brought.

So it is unifying the Republican Party. The question I have for you: the independents undecided: how do they feel? I saw this poll. They said prior to the conviction, New York had closed within eight points. Eight points!

Imagine if he goes and tries to maximize upstate and Long Island to overcome. an increased population in the city. Radio that makes you think. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. An unbelievable moment in American history.

The former President of the United States.

Now a convicted Felon. The legal system in this country treats any former president as any citizen. We've seen that today, and this jury deserves to be thanked for their efforts and to be protected. Important part of a system of democracy worked today. I think even he.

Cannot deny as much as he'd like to that today he was convicted on 34 felony counts and that he is indeed the convicted felon. It's one of those where were you kind of moments in American history when the verdict came down on Donald Trump today. Guilty, guilty, guilty.

So that was Caitlin Collins of CNN. And that was before that. Jake Tapper talking about the historic moment and having a great time with it. And that's their option. But good luck.

Donald Trump is already making the most of it. Listen to this ad that rolled out last night, Cut 23. This is the final battle. With you at my side, we will demolish the deep state. We will expel the warmongers from our government.

We will drive out the globalists. We will cast out the communists, Marxists and fascists. We will throw off the sick political class that hates our country. We will rout the fake news media and we will liberate America from these villains once and for all. Last night he had a fundraiser.

Today he's got a presser in about less than an hour. And then the money is evidently flowing in.

So Senator Joni Ernst, this is all unprecedented. Armed Services, Ranking Member of Small Business Committee, Chairman of the Republican Policy Committee. Senator, your thoughts about those 34 countries. That four thirty-four count. Verdict.

Well, Brianne, thanks so much for having me. I am extremely disappointed and outraged. I've been saying all along, this trial has been a farce. And I'm sure they're saying this is absolutely unprecedented.

Well, of course it is. But let me tell you what, if President Trump had been just ordinary Joe citizen in New York City, They wouldn't have even tried him. There's no question. We know this is political. This is all political, Brian.

And the ship has got a right. Here. We can't keep going this direction. This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm one of the few people, I don't want to see revenge.

I want to see an end to it. I don't want to see Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton. I don't want to see them on trial. Uh I know everyone thinks I'm crazy. I d this has to end.

This is a joke. This is bad for the country.

Now let me ask you, Senator, you're not anti-Trumper, but you had reservations about his candidacy. You know, Governor Chris Anunu had reservations about his candidacy. Nikki Haley, last week, obviously a competitor said she's voting for him. Does this make you more or less apt to support him?

Well I was I was neutral. You know, I didn't come out on a side during the primaries and caucuses. I am all about Trump now. And so, what we see happening, and I've been traveling doing my county tours all across the state of Iowa, and I, like many others, are so outraged about this. I think that Iowans are tending to gravitate more towards Donald Trump because they see that he has been unfairly persecuted.

By just all of these people People that have political agendas, they have an axe to grind with the former president, and they're taking it out on him. And just everyday Joe here is so tired of it. And they want to see some relief from it. They feel that Donald Trump has been treated unfairly. And so I think they will end up turning out in droves.

I mean, Iowa was already for Donald Trump, but I think those that were more in the middle, they see this. They're going to support him now because this has got to come to an end. Joe Biden is the one that's facilitating this. He's not ending it. He's facilitating it.

So, yeah, and one of the reasons you're saying that is because of the political story in 2022 where the president evidently was getting upset with Attorney General Merrick Carlin for taking too long to bring these indictments, and the other story with Matt Calangelo, former higher up at his DOJ, leaving that post to run this case. Right, exactly. I mean, there are so many ties and fingers in this. And of course, all those that are seemingly directing it, again, they all have political agendas. They all have motivation for sidelining Donald Trump.

Um it's not going to work. It's not going to work. People are just going to swarm behind the president and show their support. All right, a couple of things in the world, because you're on armed services, you go to Ukraine all the time. There's a report now that Joe Biden has given permission for the Ukrainians to use our ATACMs and others to attack inside Russia.

Number one, do you think this is true? And number two, is it a good move? I think so.

Well, I think it is true. I haven't had verification personally of that, but I do believe it to be true. And if so, I do think it's a good thing. For heaven's sake, Brian, why weren't they doing this in the very beginning? Our administration here with Joe Biden has totally tied the hands of the Ukrainians.

To win a war, you've got to go after those supply lines. You've got to go after the armaments. You can't do that when Russia is hiding behind the border. If you can't go across the border, you can't win.

So they've got to be able to take out various platforms that are across the border in Russia. I mean, they're using those platforms to target Ukrainians. Why on earth wouldn't you be able to do that? I would simply call that defense.

So, yeah, I'm all about it, and it's about dang time. NATO's having a big meeting now where they pretty much agreed they do not have sufficient air defense capabilities to protect anybody in Central and Eastern Europe. Number one, what else? What were they thinking? Number two is we could actually sell them the best air defense in the world.

Should we be doing it? What is it going to take for us to be capable of doing it? Yeah, absolutely.

We need to make sure that deliveries of our high Mars and long range high Mars, not just short range now because we need those to get into Russia, but making sure that we can target, but then making sure that we can defend the air as well.

So we need various anti-air systems that can protect. Not only from the rockets or missiles that might come in from Russia, but also defend against drones, defend against air assets that Russia has, all of that. We need to provide that. We need to make sure that they are able to defend just as we would want to defend our own nation. I can't get a sense on what the policy is with this administration.

Now the Israelis just say, screw it, we're going into Rafah and we're staying, and it could take seven months.

So far, the administration hasn't said much, where two weeks ago they were condemning everything. What's going on here and are you in support of going into Rafa?

Well This administration, I can't tell you what their policy really is on anything. They are so wishy, washy, they are squishy. And that's why whenever I travel abroad, world leaders, it doesn't matter what region I'm in, they always ask, where is American leadership? They have no idea where Joe Biden is. They have no idea what his policies are.

He's all over the board, whether it's Ukraine, whether it's Israel.

So, yes, they say one thing one moment because they want to appease those hidden the United States who are supporting Hamas, and then they'll say something else because they know that Israel is our strongest ally in the Middle East, a democratic ally. And so, they'll just keep going back and forth, depending on which way the political winds are blowing. I believe that Israel should determine what their strategy is and they should execute it. If there are battalions of Hamas fighters still remaining in Rafa, they need to target those battalions of Hamas fighters in Rafa. This world needs to be cleansed of these terrorist organizations that are supported by Iran.

I would think so. Although the Grand Ayatollah, they just found out the U.S. is protecting him from our allies in terms of censure and sanctions because of their weaponization of uranium. Joe Biden working the phones to make sure Iran is not censured or sanctioned. How does that make sense?

Has that been explained to you? Are you demanding an explanation? No, it has not been explained, Brian, and I don't understand. Really? Do we have a president sitting in the White House right now that is an apologist for Iran, a supporter of Iran?

This is a country that has been killing American service members all through the global war on terrorism. They still are funding and supporting the terrorist organizations that just recently killed three service members of ours at Tower 22 in Jordan. These are the ones that chant death to America, and he is supporting them and providing them aid and comfort. It is absolutely ridiculous, Brian. Senator Joni Ernst, it's an interesting time, and you just speak for a lot of people who are on the fence.

The Susan Collins of the world. You know, the Senator John Thunes of the world, too. Yeah, they'll vote for Trump, but now, after this verdict, you're all in. They've exercised a lot of people. We'll see what it means when we get a good poll afterwards.

Senator John Earth, thank you very much. All right, I see the lines are up there and packed. I'm going to squeeze in some calls after I do a simulcast with Stuart Varney.

So glad you're here on this big day in news, big day in politics. President of the United States, former president's going to speak live. We'll bring it to you.

Now, the Brian Kilmead Show joins Fox Businesses. Varney and Company with Stuart Varney. Live on your radio and on Fox Business. Here's Brian Kilmead. Welcome back.

I'll do a simulcast on FBN in just a moment, like we do just about every week. And it's so great. I always appreciate it. I have a chance to talk about what's happening, but I see you out there in California. I see you there, Howard, in Florida.

I'll get to you, Joe, on Long Island, and Alex in Brooklyn. I'll move through these calls because I know you have a lot to say about what took place yesterday with that verdict. Just when we thought we were done for the day, and I thought, you know, this is confusing. These rules are confusing the jury. They came out and said, instead of being done at 4:30, how about a verdict?

You're Stuart Varney. That means it's time for Brian Kilmead to join us. All right, Brian, take a listen to Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg celebrating the Trump guilty verdict. Yeah. I don't want to going to the whole body of litigation.

Uh you know, but we now have a a federal court. decision Uh Ruling on the legal theories. We had a state court decision on the omnibus motions. But most importantly, Today, we have the most important voice of all. And that's the voice of the jurors.

They have spoken. Donald J. Trump has been convicted of 34 counts of false five business records.

Okay, Brian Kilmead, it was a New York City jury. Is this conviction the voice of the everyday American? It better not be, because the everyday American cannot stand this scrutiny. Anyone have any paperwork that might be a little controversial? We'd like to put you in jail.

And we'd like to cost the city, what, $2 million over the last six weeks? I imagine that number is low, but that's the estimate they gave us. And let's think about what Alvin Bragg said. He said that he's going after Trump just like I go after any white-collar criminal. Nobody believes that, including those people on the left.

The other thing is, I love asking Eagle legal experts what the second charge was. They still don't know. How many times do those jurors have to read back what the rules were in form of the final instructions? And then you have a judge that had no business being on there. This looked like something that Vladimir Putin is doing to Gurskovich over in Moscow by saying, I'm just going to make up the rules.

I'm going to keep him in prison. What can you do about it? I picked the judge. I picked the no jury. And then we'll see what happens.

I'm not putting down those 12 jurors. But when you got a judge who's berating the defense and not the prosecution, when you have a judge who donated to Joe Biden, whose wife worked for Letitia James, whose daughter works for Democratic high-profile people, may even have had a website selling anti-Trump paraphernalia, don't you think? Do you think that's a little stacked against you? Yeah. Look, uh Trump's going to speak at the top of the hour.

Um There's still a gag order in place on him, but what do you want to hear from him? What I want to hear from him is this: I don't care about this case. I didn't care about it when it was happening only to do a better show. I think I'm forging straight ahead. The obstacles are going to be steep.

I'm going to scale them. I'm going to have big crowds. I don't have as much time. I'm not going to worry about January 11th. I'm going to look forward to the RNC.

I'm going to prepare for the debate. And I'm going to get to the business of inflation, the border, Ukraine, Israel, and start formulating a policy and a staff. Right now, he's within seven points in New York, a dead heat in blue, Virginia, a dead heat in blue New Hampshire. I think he's got a lot of momentum, and now he's getting money. Yep, he's getting a lot of money.

Brian Kilmeat, thanks for being with us. We'll see you again real soon. Thank you, Stuart Varney. Howard, listen on WABC. Hey, Howard.

Yes. I know this is like twenty twenty hindsight stuff, but my opinion is I think the defense really focused on the wrong part of the trial to me. The weakest part of the trial of this case was the federal the felony charges. Basically, they're saying that He committed this. misdemeanor really in order to accuse a felony.

So let's just say for argument's sake that Serwin said, okay, fine, he should have filed it under election expenses.

So how would that have affected the felony charge? Meaning like what law Did he break and if he and if he filed it under the um howard I think I can answer that so what lawyer he break well that's a mind that's a misdemeanor but they say the big picture was to conspire to win the 2016 election by so by suppressing information that would have helped her opponent and believe it or not mark elias and hillary clinton are now saying that this just this decided the 2016 election Again, like the Russia hoax, that wasn't good enough. Hacking John Podesta's email, that was the excuse. That wasn't good enough. I won the popular vote.

That wasn't good enough. Now they say it was the Stormy Daniels, If We Only Knew, situation. My goodness, you got to be kidding.

So it was the second move to suppress information that affected the election. That's what they're running with now. Joe on Long Island. Joe. Brian, good morning.

Brian, the Democrats will put Trump in prison. Make no mistake. If they have to, they will kill him. If Trump wins, all deep state goes down. They will not let this happen.

Look at what they've done for how many years, both the 16 and 20 elections. This is just the tip of the iceberg here.

So buckle up for the next six months. It's communism one-on-one. Trump made the mistake in 2015. After he got elected, he said, let Hillary go. He put out an olive branch.

He didn't listen to his snake parable. They think if Trump goes down, Maggot dies. That's what they think. That's not going to happen. There's too many good Americans out there, too many patriots who won't let that happen.

But look at everything they've done. You just named some, spied on his campaign. This is coming from Obama and Clinton, not Biden, Brian. Thanks so, Joe. I appreciate it, Joe.

Always strong with opinions. Alex, WABC in Brooklyn. Alex. Hey, good morning, Brian. I think most Americans were sure that this is going to be a hung jury or an acquittal of Donald Trump, but you had a corrupt judge that gave them very specific rules that you typically don't have.

They get to choose which underlying crime, and that's really what made it more possible for Trump to be found guilty here because of this corrupt judge. And I think every American, Republicans, Democrats, Independents, should be burning mad about the fact that we don't have a justice system that works in this country. Because even if you're a Democrat, you may disagree with one or two things that the Democrat establishment doesn't believe in. And we're getting closer to the dictatorship situation in this country where if you're not going to agree with every single thing, then you're going to end up in jail. Alex, all I can tell you is Donald Trump, through all this strife, is winning.

By all accounts, and there's panic on the left.

So, we're not going to get a dictatorship. It's not going to come from Trump. We have a system that's working despite. The law fair that we're witnessing. By the way, I want to see you in person June 29th, Indianapolis, Indiana, Shelton Auditorium.

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Brian Killmead. Hi, everyone. Welcome back. Shannon Bream is here, but so is the former President of the United States. He's speaking.

Let's go to him live. And they're coming in from jails and prisons. And they're coming in from... mental institutions and insane asylums. They're coming in from all over the world into our country.

And we have president and a group of fascists that don't want to do anything about it. 'Cause they could right now, today, he could stop it. But he's not there destroying our country. country is in very bad shape. They're very much against me saying these things.

Uh they wanna Raise your taxes by four times. They want to stop you from having cars. With their ridiculous mandates that make it impossible for you to get a car or afford a car. to make it very possible for China to build all of our cars. It's a very serious problem.

that we have. We just uh went through One of many experiences Where we had a Conflicted judge, highly conflicted. There's never been a more conflicted judge.

Now, I'm under a gag order, which nobody's ever been under. No presidential candidate's ever been under a gag order before. I'm under a gag order nasty gag order. where I've had to pay thousands of dollars in penalties and fines. and was threatened with jail.

Think of it. I'm the leading Candidate. I'm leading Biden by a lot, and I'm leading. the Republicans to the point where that's over.

So I'm the leading person for President and I'm under a gag order. By a man that can't put two sentences together. Given by a court, and they are in total conjunction with the White House and the DOJ, just so you understand. This is all done by Biden and his people. Maybe his people more importantly I don't know if Biden knows too much about it.

Because I don't know if he knows about anything. But he's nevertheless the President, so we have to use his name. And this is done by Washington. And nobody's ever seen anything like it.

So we have a judge who's highly conflicted. You know what the confliction is. Nobody Nobody wants to write about it. And I'm not allowed to talk about it. If I do, he said I get put in jail.

So we'll play that game a little bit longer. We won't talk about it, but you're allowed to talk about it. I hope you do. 'Cause there's never been anybody so conflicted as this. As far as the trial itself, It was very unfair.

We weren't allowed to use our election expert. Under any circumstances You saw what happened to some of the witnesses that were on our side. They were literally crucified. By this man. Who looks like an angel, but he's really a devil.

He looks so nice and soft. People say, Oh, he seems like such a nice man No, unless you saw him in action And you saw that. With a certain witness that went through hell. And when we wanted to do things, He wouldn't let him. He wouldn't let us do those things.

But when the government wanted something, they got everything. They got everything they wanted. It's a rigged it was a rigged trial. We wanted a venue change. where we could have a fair trial.

We didn't get it. We wanted a judge change. We wanted a judge that wasn't conflicted. And obviously he didn't do that. Nobody's ever seen anything like it.

We had a D A. who was a fail DA. Crime is rampant in New York, violent crime, that's what he's really supposed to be looking at. Crime is rampant in New York. Yesterday in McDonald's, you had a man Hitting him up with With uh machetes, a machete.

Whoever he Can imagine even a machete being Wielded in a store in a place where they're eating, and he's going rampant. And Bragg is down watching a trial. on what they call Uh Crimes, crimes. They're falsifying. Business records.

That sounds so bad. To me, it sounds very bad. You know, it's only a misdemeanor. But to me, it sounds so bad. When they say falsifying business, that's a bad thing for me.

I've never had that before. I'm falsifying. You know what falsifying business records is? In the first degree. They say falsifying business records sounds so good, right?

It means that legal expense I paid a lawyer. Totally illegal. I paid a lawyer. A legal expense. And a bookkeeper without any knowledge from me.

Correctly marked it down in the books. A very professional woman, highly respected. She testified. Marked it down in the books as a legal expense.

So a legal expense. I paid a lawyer. Is a legal expense in the books. It's not sheetrock. Construction.

or any other thing. It's a Legal expense. Think of that. This is what the falsification of business records were. And I said.

What else are you going to call it? What else are you going to call it? Now, I would have testified. I wanted to testify. The theory is you never testify because as soon as you testify anybody If it were George Washington, don't testify because they'll get you on something that you said slightly wrong and then they sue you for perjury.

But I didn't care about that, I wanted to. But the judge allowed them to go into everything that I was ever involved in, not this case, everything that I was ever involved in. Which is a first? In other words, you could go into every single thing. That I ever did.

Was he a bad boy here? Was he a bad boy there? M. R. Lawyer said, What do you need to go through?

And all you wanted to do is testify simply on this case. Because I would have loved to have testified. To this day, I would have liked to have testified. But you would have been you would have said something out of whack like it was a beautiful sunny day and it was actually raining out. And I very much appreciate the big crowd of people outside.

That's incredible what's happening. The level of support has been incredible.

So the whole thing is Legal expense was marked down as legal expense. Think of it. This is the crime. that I committed. That I'm supposed to go to jail for 187 years for.

When you have violent crime all over this city at levels that nobody's ever seen before, where you have businesses leaving, and businesses are leaving because of this, because heads of businesses say, man, We don't want to get involved with that. I could go through the books of any Business person. in this city and I could find things That in theory, I guess, let's indict him, let's destroy his life. But I'm out there, and I don't mind being out there because I'm doing something for this country, and I'm doing something. For our Constitution, it's very important, far beyond me.

And this can't be allowed to happen to other presidents. It should never be allowed to happen. In the future. But this is far beyond me. This is bigger than Trump.

This is bigger than me. This is bigger than my Presidency. And the people understand it because I just see a poll just came out, the Daily Mail. That was the first one, came out. Who's done?

Last night right after the verdict where I'm up six points. Six points from what we already were. We were leading fairly substantially. We're up six points in the Daily Mail poll.

Now, maybe other polls come out and say something differently. But a lot of people have predicted it because the public understands and they understand what's What's going on? This is a scam. There's a rig trial. It shouldn't have been in that venue.

We shouldn't have had that judge. He should have allowed us to have an election expert. We had the best. Expert, most respected expert, head of the Federal Elections Commission. He was all set to testify.

He was waiting for two days. And when it was his turn, Bragg's people protested. And the judge knocked him out, said you can't testify. He actually said you can't testify for anything having to do with the trial. You can say what the federal elections is.

Well, that doesn't help. Everybody knows that. But you can't testify.

So essentially, He wasn't able to testify. Other people weren't able to testify. But with these people, They were able to use People salacious By the way. And nothing ever happened. There was no Anything.

Nothing ever happened and they know it. But they were as salacious as they could be. And it had nothing to do with the case. But it had to do with politics. And do you notice the timing?

The timing was perfect. This case was dead. It was dropped by every agency, every governmental. Board. It was dropped by the highly respected Southern District.

They said no, there's no case here. It was dropped by federal election, and that's what it's about. This is about a federal election, not a state election. You're not even allowed to look at it. They took the state and the city and they went into a federal election.

They're not allowed. The people from federal election, Southern District, And Washington dropped the case. Everybody dropped the case. There was no case. Cy Vance dropped the case.

And when Bray came in, he said, this is the most ridiculous case I've ever seen. And who would have a certain person again, gag order? Who would have a certain person like this ever testify? He said this is essentially one of the worst people I've ever seen ever. to testify.

He said, the craziest case I've ever seen, this is Bragg. Then when I announced I was running for president, Long time later, They decided to revive this case. And they got a judge. Judge Marshawn. Who was Responsible for another case that was also brought.

It destroyed the life of a very good man, by the way. Destroyed the life. of a very good man. Who went to prison once. And then they just put him in prison again because they said he'd He lied.

He didn't lie. I looked at the statements he made. In fact, he didn't remember something, and they put him in jail. Again. They've destroyed him.

With me for many years. He was an honorable person. He was an honest man. And if you look at what he did supposedly. It never happened.

There's never been anything like this over the education of his grandchildren. Over, he didn't report that he had a car. or two cars on his income. I don't know. I wonder how many people here have cars.

I wonder how many people said, Oh, gee, I have a car that's worth X dollars. How do you even figure it? And I guess you do have to report it, but. I would say probably Almost nobody does. Nobody even thinks about it.

They put this man, they destroyed this man. But they put him in jail again because they didn't want him to testify. They didn't want him to testify. That's why he went to jail. You put him in jail twice.

He's seventy-seven years old.

Now normally I'd say that's Yeah. But I don't feel seventy seven. Nobody ever says that about me. I'd like them to say, gee. We have to have a little sorrow for this man.

Because they just don't say that about me, but maybe I'm better off that way. I think I'm probably better off that way. But they put him in jail. Twice. And you have to see what they put him in jail.

And he was threatened by the judge. This man was told you're going to get 15 years in jail. If you don't give up Trump. And he was told that. You're gonna get 15 years in jail.

And He made a plea deal because he didn't want to spend the rest of his life and he was told that viciously. We're living in a in a fascist state. He was told that viciously.

So you can go to jail for Four months, five months. Or you can get 15 years in jail, so do a plea. Almost who wouldn't do that plea? Everyone does those pleas. It's a horrible thing.

There's a whole group of lawyers that fight that. It's so unfair. It's so unfair. But they destroyed his life.

So many other things. You look at Southern District didn't want to bring the case. Nobody wanted to bring the case. And then you know who didn't want to bring the case most of all? is brag Bregg didn't want to bring it, but then he brought it.

And they tried to make it a different case. They didn't say legal expense equal legal expense. Again, If I wrote down And paid a lawyer. And by the way, this was a highly qualified lawyer.

Now, I'm not allowed to use his name because of the gag order. But you know, he's a sleaze bag. Everybody knows that. Took me a while to find out. But he was effective.

He did work. But he wasn't a fixer. He was a lawyer. You know, they like to use the word fixer. He wasn't a fixer.

He was a lawyer. At the time, he was a. a fully accredited lawyer.

Now, he got into trouble not because of me. He got into trouble because he made outside deals and he had something to do with taxicabs.

So, listen to the former president of the United States, who wants to be the next president of the United States, run through the case as he sees them, started with issues.

Now, he's talking about Alan Weiselberg, who's the CFO of his company for years, 75 years old, second stint at Reichards Island. It is nuts. It's the same judge that he had to deal with, is the one that Weiselberg had to deal with. And Shannon, there's so much to talk about yesterday. We have the 34 counts found guilty on all of them.

Now he's speaking still under a gag order. Why is he still under a gag order? Wait for sentencing? Yeah, you've got to remember they're going to go through sentencing too.

So he's going to have to go through all that pre-sentencing stuff, sitting down, doing an interview, giving an account of whether he has a job, all of this stuff. And so I think that, you know, you heard Todd Blanche's attorney say, like, I still got a gag order, got to be careful. And he's obviously cautioned the president as well, who, listen, does not pull punches on this thing, but he does have to find out his sentence July 11th. And who makes that? Prosecution recommends that the judge decides it.

Still ripping the judge. Exactly. There have been those who've said he's violated the gag order. The judge has found he's violating the gag order.

So many times he's got fined already. Yeah, he's got fined. And remember, Judge Marshall's like, don't maybe put you in jail.

So we know he's at least entertained the thought on some other rulings. And listen, we talk about with people who are experienced trying these cases in New York. It would be really highly unusual for a first-time offender to be a non-violent crime to be sentenced to jail. But I think we've also found that in this case, nothing should surprise us. Yeah, so we're going to take a short time out and have Shannon on the other side.

He looks like he might even take some questions. I'm not sure if he will or not, but he knows every network's got this. He knows he's a master at free publicity, and he's very much in control right now. And he's also raising a ton of money off this. He looks fine.

He looks like a guy. It looks like John Casamatidis, who owns WABC, had dinner with him last night, and he was totally zoned in, and he was fine. And I know some other people that talked to him last night, and he's very pleased that money is rolling in. We'll talk more with Shannon. Fox News Sunday coming up on Sunday.

Do you know who you have, Shannon, for sure? I do. You want me to tell you now?

Okay, House Speaker Mike Johnson, we've got Democrat, House Democrat Rocano. We've also got Tim Scott, Senator. Is he the VP pick? We come back more with Shannon and the president. Don't move.

This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Show. It's a very sad thing that's happening in our country. And it's a uh It's a thing that I'm honored.

In a way, I'm honored. It's not that it's pleasant. It's very bad for family. It's very bad for friends and businesses. But I'm honored to be involved in it because somebody has to do it, and I might as well keep going and be the one.

But I'm very honored to be involved because we're fighting for a constitution. Former President United States is still talking to Trump Tower, but he made an announcement, Shannon Bream, and I know you got Fox News Sunday preparing for right now, that he has raised in 10 hours $39 million, and he says mostly small donors.

So that's pretty significant. I mean, that's the one thing that was lacking. No one doubted it. Changed out at Rona McDaniel. No one doubted it.

Now the money is coming in. And it's not just that. You know, we've reported over the last 12 hours or so for big name donors who've said, I'm stepping up with another million dollars to these PACs that can support him. I'm going to throw a fundraiser. I mean, a lot of big names and some that are leaning towards getting in, that would be a huge win for him.

Miriam Adelson has formed a super, super PAC, and she starts with $100 million of her money. You know, Sheldon was her husband, passed away. She's a power player, sitting on the side, not thinking to back Trump.

Now she is backing Trump.

So it's not just rhetoric when they say this is rallying people. Angry voters vote. We know that. Motivated. As much as people say, oh, I hate these negative ads.

We know they work. I mean, the numbers show that when people are, ooh, I almost used a bad word, but when they're ticked off, they show up. Right. We're going to watch your show on Sunday. I'll see you.

Speaker Johnson, Rocana, Democrat from the House, and also Senator Tim Scott. Will he be the VP pick? We're going to have Kellyanne Conway on One Nation Saturday at 9, and we're going to have Hugh Hewitt, and then we're going to have Charlie Maine the God as well. Great interview. That's going to be exciting.

And we're going to have Dana White comment on the UFC comment on his buddy, Donald Trump, getting convicted. Make sure you watch everybody's shows. The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmead. In fact, I just watched A couple of the reports, you watch Jonathan Turley, Andy McCarthy.

Greg Jarrett. You look at all of these people. Uh Mark Levin All very talented people. Great people. Many more.

Many more. And they don't know me, essentially. They don't know me. legal scholars and experts. But I look at them, I watched uh Curly this morning saying there's no crime here.

Everybody says there's no crime here. Except for this DA that's got the city out of control with crime. It's absolutely out of control. And the president is speaking. He's speaking right now.

He's gone on for about 40 minutes. In about 10 minutes, I'm going to bring in the editor-in-chief of the Jerusalem Post. I want to talk about what's happening in Israel, the relations with this administration, and more. But what he's referring to, the crime out of control, it's specific. I ran it this morning on WABC.

I do a special to tell everyone what's happening in New York before I start the show. And one of which was this guy walks in on Times Square, on 45th, right in the Times Square area, with a machete. And he chops up people to hit them in both legs. The guy's clinging to his life in the hospital. I mean, this is a time in which you can't even walk down Broadway.

It's so crowded. And now that you've got these sickos at 1 o'clock in the afternoon with the machete, and Alvin Bragg thinks Donald Trump's the problem, 77-year-old former president. Oh, we got it cracked out of that 2015 check situation with Michael Cohen, who was convicted of not telling the truth. And by the way, extorted, saying, if you don't say this, we're going to actually. You indict your wife.

Imagine that.

So I'm not defending Michael Cohen and his actions. I think he's a clown and a bully. You talk about a guy that used the leverage of Donald Trump to try to act like he was king of the world. It was Michael Cohen. And the reason why he wasn't taken to the White House when the President won in twenty sixteen was because he thought he was a knucklehead.

Let's a little bit more from the press conference.

So we have an NDA. Nondisclosure Agreement. It's a big deal, a non-disclosure agreement. Totally honorable, totally good, totally accepted. Everybody has them.

Every company has nondisclosure agreements, but the press called it slush fund and all sorts of other things. Hush money, hush money. It's not hush money. It's called the non-disclosure agreement. And most of the people in this room have a nondisclosure agreement with their company.

It's a disgrace.

So it's not Hush money. It's a non-disclosure agreement, totally legal. Totally common. Everyone has it. And what happened is he signed a nondisclosure agreement With this person, I guess other people, but it's totally honest.

You're allowed to make the payment, could you don't have to make it and you can make it any way you want. It's a non-disclosure agreement.

So He's, he's, you know, he didn't write anything down. He's a little bit scattered, but he's totally conversant. Anyone who says, wow, he's getting a little old. He's not the same guy. This is Donald Trump.

He looks great. Guy was convicted yesterday. One thing Jonathan Turley told us In studio, he said, I couldn't believe it. I was staring at him when the when the verdict was read. The only person who had no reaction was Donald Trump.

He didn't look upset, didn't look happy, didn't look unhappy. Sure enough, he came huddled with his people before he went to the bike racks and spoke. And he came out and gave a message. You're going to keep fighting. Nothing changes.

He did he does say I saw a gag order.

So I have to watch what I say. He doesn't mention Michael Cohen's name. I think he's doing a good job going to the line. But the good news for the Trump camp and for Republicans, the reason why Tom Cotton and Governor Bergham, the reason why you see Marco Rubio this morning and Tim Scott on Sunday. Is because they're surrogates working for Donald Trump.

They think he's going to win, and they want to be the number two pick. Here's the good news for Donald Trump. Listen to this.

Now, let me give you the good news. The good news is, last night, we just got a report this morning. In the history of politics, I believe, maybe I'm wrong.

Somebody will find that I'm wrong, maybe, but I don't think so. They raised with small money donors. Meaning like twenty-one m dollars. $42. $53, $38, a record $39 million in about a 10-hour period.

No, thank you that. I like those people. Because so far, I guess it's backfired.

Now, I don't know. I'd rather not have it happen. I don't want to have it backfired. I don't want to win this thing legitimately, not because they were stupid and did things that they shouldn't be doing. They shouldn't have brought this case.

Of course, they didn't shouldn't bring the case. And the President's got three more indictments in three separate jurisdictions. One is Georgia, Fannie Willis and that Carnival. And then you got the January sixth case, and you have the Documents case. And overarching all that, Is an immunity case the Supreme Court is looking at and seeing and setting a precedent for how much immunity does a president get.

For example, let's say you're at the border and you put people at the border, and one of these border people are asked to do something extraordinary, work some overtime, and they get shot by some type of illegal immigrant coming across the border. They sit there and I don't like your policy, you were too tough at the border, I'm going to sue President Bush. Really? I'm going to sue President Trump. I'm going to sue President Biden because of policy over in Ukraine.

You got my son or daughter killed over in Israel. They got him kidnapped. You didn't protect. Whatever. You don't want to open up the president to being sued.

But. How does that apply? If you're a President of the United States, you can't choke someone out. And say, well, I'm president. I could do anything.

Can't drink and drive. You don't drive anyway, but you can't do that. Can't use illegal drugs.

So, within the law, you should be able to make policy and part of the president's policy. His policy, what he was saying on January 6th, was to make a speech and tell everyone you're upset by the way the selection won. And you could do your own investigation, but he did not tell everyone to go in there and take over the Capitol. I don't think it was good they didn't make a few phone calls, but that is not why you stop a guy from running for President again, and then you put him in jail for trying to run again. To me You might feel differently, but But a whole lot of legal struggles, but we're just in uncharted waters.

I think it's noteworthy, nothing from Joe Biden specifically yet. He never gives press conferences, didn't have an interview. He's coming back to meet with the Chiefs, going to say, congratulations, here's your White House tour, and then he's going back to Delaware. I think Trump is going to end up doing some events. I imagine this weekend, at the very least, I think Trump is going to be doing.

Trump's going to be doing a lot of fundraising. I'm seeing shots from outside Trump Tower, and I'm seeing it on CNN, which is stunning. They're showing how crowded it is with pro-Trump flags. There was a time in which mostly the Trump stuff was all anti-Trump. Remember that knucklehead mayor of New York City, DeBasio, who actually wrote Black Lives Matter in front of Trump Tower as if he's anti-black or he was his idea with George Floyd?

So all that stuff.

Now it's It's a place where people show support in a state now. That has Donald Trump within nine, a state that he lost by 22 to Hillary Clinton in the election that he won.

So The support has increased. The danger of him going to jail exists now.

Now there's been a conviction with some type of house arrest or going to jail on weekends, they tell me is a possibility. We'll see. President's got to go and meet with the probation officer and then let them know who he is, that he's got a full time job, that he can be trusted, and get them to recommend that the President don't do jail. Isn't that weird? Isn't it nuts?

Coming up next, Zveka Klein, editor-in-chief of the Jerusalem Post, and we'll bring you some sound bites from the President's press conference right now, where security is high outside Trump Tower, and so are his supporters. They're not saying they're high, I'm saying there's a lot. Big difference. Back in a moment. It's Brian Kilmade.

The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead. Welcome back, everybody. Brian Kilmeet here. Let me give you an idea of what's happening a few blocks away from here.

Outside Trump Tower, I have never seen this type of support. Supporters are everywhere showing support in a city where the president got 15% of the vote, I think, in both elections. But downtown, they found him guilty on 34 counts last night. He has a press conference that's wrapping up shortly going over the case, but he's still under the gag orders. We can't say too much.

So, the President of the United States did make news by saying they've raised $39 million in 10 hours, mostly small donors. There's so many other things going on right now that are of extreme importance. I would say front and center is what's happening over in Gaza. As the IDF has made clear, they've said they've separated, they've set up a situation where they've lined up on the border of Rafah and Egypt.

So, hopefully, blowing up these huge tunnels they're finding in Rafah. And so far, this administration's been somewhat quiet over the last 10 days, which is somewhat of a relief. Zavika Klein joins us now, the editor-in-chief of the Jerusalem Post. Thanks so much. Did I get your first name right?

It's cl pretty close. Zavika, yeah. Zavika.

So my apologies. All good.

So you're here for the annual Jerusalem Post conference in New York City. Regardless of October 7th, you would have had this conference. Yeah, we would have had it, but it's just so different. I haven't been to America actually since October 7th. And it's wow, you know, it's both Israel and America have have gone through these, you know.

Disturbing trends, I would say, and and situations, yeah. Uh how do you think uh how would you characterize the IDF's military operation? That's a big question. I would say the idea of It took a while for the IDF to get its act together. And then, you know, many friends of mine are fighting and have been fighting.

people that left their families for months behind. I I think the government because of international pressure and other reasons. kind of did not give them enough of a leeway to to operate. fast and more Exact. And I think also The pressure from the U.S.

now with the issue of international, with the military aid, is a big issue. Right?

So whether it affects it or not, the US saying we're not going to give you aid. is something that affects the way you are perceived. And it's a victory for Hamas. Every time there's a protest, every time there's friction between the U. S.

and its public and Israel, it makes your enemies and these radicals feel as though we're winning the PR war, are they? I think so.

Yeah. I think, well, there are a lot more Muslims around the world, but it's not just Muslims, obviously. I mean, there's many just individuals or people who. We just don't understand. Slovakia is recognizing a Palestinian state.

Ireland did. Spain did. Norway did. What are they talking about? Have they been on another planet?

Do they know how hard people have worked in order to come up with a two-state solution and how little commitment there is on the left? And now they're going to decide on the outside, where are these started in Norway. Norway. Right?

And who walked away from that? 100%. But the issue is. You need two sides. And I think what Israel kind of approved was leaving Gaza, the Gaza Strip, in 2005.

We covered that. It was a one-sided move. We had to rip out Jerusalem Jewish settlers. 100%. So it was a one-but it was a one-sided move.

Israel decided that without any negotiations, it was like to show we are doing this. Right?

Because we want quiet. Ariel Sharon. Yeah, it was Ariel Sharon who had, you know, had a huge courage to do something, which I was very against, by the way, back then, and demonstrated as a young guy. But That said. You know, Israel j they just got closer to Israel and sending missiles towards Israel.

So it used to be the settlers who would. experience, you know, uh these these these rockets and now it's Everyone across Israel.

So a short time later, now you're getting rockets into Israel on a regular basis. And now, with the money that they got and the aid that they acquired, they were able to build miles and miles of tunnels. Right. I mean, which are one and a half times the size of what the London tube is. It was just crazy.

It's just crazy. And I just saw, you know, the US is pressuring Israel to let more aid in.

Now, you speak to people who know what's going on in Gaza. The amount of aid And food. That has entered Gaza in the past few months. Is more than before October 7th. But Hamas is obviously taking a lot of it, not all of it.

But you can't, I mean, you know, we're a democratic country. We don't want to harm civilians. We allow aid to go in, and yet. The world just keeps on seeing us as this demon. You're in Rafah.

You now, they surrounding Rafa, right? Moving through the middle of the city. Here's what John Kirby said about Rafa. He's the admiral who's the spokesperson for the White House, cut 37. We still don't believe.

that a major ground operation in Rafah is warranted. We still don't want to see the Israelis, as we say, smash into Rafah with large units over over large pieces of of ter territory. What is he talking about? Do you agree with him? I disagree with him.

Of course. This is where the headquarters of Hamas is. How would you not go in? Right. And you know, I wish, I wish we were smart enough, you we we meaning Israel and the US, that this would be like a game.

But it's not. No, I'm saying like a decoy. I'll come out and shoot them down. Yeah, exactly. But it's not.

Because I think and President Biden has lots of you know, he I mean, at the beginning of the war, I think lots of Israelis supported him now. Not as much, definitely not as much, and you know, far from it. But the people around him, I think, are really the problem. Because he himself, deep down inside, is actually a Zionist, but he's up for reelection and his advisors and people in the administration, from what I understand. They have left, a lot of them, because they don't like this policy.

Right, but but they left because a lot of them also left because they w it's not Anti-Israel enough. Right?

You know, so it's a complicated, it's a complicated situation.

So you said initially when Joe Biden landed, the people of Israel thought this is unbelievable, this is great. I get the goosebumps when I hear it. Um you know, quoting Golden McEar, former Prime Minister. you know, s displaying total support. That said, as time goes on.

Translation, something got lost, you know, from Washington to Jerusalem. And And we don't feel that support.

Well, yeah, through Indoracco's come to you from Iran for the first time ever. The world got together, knocked it out of the sky from Jordan to Saudi Arabia to the U.S. got it, understood. That was impressive. It was.

But what about the response? Was that impressive? Were you okay with that Jerusalem Post? I Obviously, we don't know enough, right? Obviously, they targeted a lot more than what we know in Iran.

I think we kind of expected a bigger response. And the question is how much of it was dumbed down because of the U. S. How have you covered the Iranian President dying in that nineteen sixty seven helicopter crash? And is it your belief, do your reporting show, that the Israelis were not involved?

We don't believe the Israelis are involved. We had to initially tell the editors to not show any emotion of you know, we're not joyous when people are killed. Though this is a person that called for our destruction, as well as yours. Right?

They don't want Israel to exist. They don't want the U.S. I'm happy he's dead. I will try to do that.

So we try to obtain our semi-happiness, but I think it's, it doesn't really, I mean, so there'll be another one. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not.

Well, he wasn't more than Rouani, right? Yeah. Right. But Rouani was like the more moderate, right? I mean, before or after.

I don't know. I don't feel like that's going to have an effect. Zavika, you're going to be at a conference. Mike Lawler's going to speak. Eric Adams, the mayor here, is going to speak.

He's very pro-Israel. Musab Yusuf, Hassan Youssef, the former son of Hamas. Mike Pence.

So it's going to be an important conference. We 100% support you. We know who the good guys are. We're going to do so much. We really appreciate it.

And it's not a given, you know? Right. Sometimes people take it for granted. You got to know who your allies are. And war is not easy.

It's a war you didn't want. Right. You know, so the other thing is you're 100 miles, how many miles off your northern border with 100,000 displaced because of Hezbollah? Right. So, I mean, yeah, it's a very difficult situation.

And I think the implications psychologically, physically, mentally, and, you know, financially to Israel are going to be very long term. Is it really important, I think, for the IDF to amp it up as bad as the criticism will be and get it over with? I think we need to get it over with it. How many hostages are alive? Yeah.

So we're talking I mean there are do you think yeah I actually just spoke to sources very close to the negotiations who were assuming 35. Out of the one hundred and I think about ten that we that we are waiting for their return, that's a very low number. And initially I was hearing higher numbers. Fifteen seconds, where's Sinwar? I hope in hell, but not yet.

He's under the ground, under the ground, like a coward. Khan Yunis hanging out with the hostages. And you had him in prison, but you had him let him go in the prisoner exchange. And he learned Hebrew and everything there. He did, and he had his life saved by one of your doctors.

Zavir Kakaim, thanks so much. Thank you, Brian. Thank you so much. The world of business moves fast. Stay on top of it with the Fox Business Rundown.

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