Build that wall: Biden to build additional border "barriers"

From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Killmee Show.

So glad you're here. Charlie Hurd, I'm so glad he is here. He's in the studio. Thomas Sowell at the bottom of the hour, one of the greatest minds in America. Fantastic personal biography.

Now in his 90s, brand new book, Social Justice Fallacies. You need to read it to arm yourself for the next tailgate you're in, the next family discussion you get into, to understand where America was and where we are and what does help and doesn't help. And he looks at this thing called facts. Which is an interesting thing because not many people do that today. Before we get to the great Charlie Hurt, let's get to the big three.

Now with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. You need someone who can unite the conference and I think just as importantly unite the conservative and Republican movement across this country. That's what I think I can do. That's why I'm running for the job.

Jim Jordan moments ago on with us. Is that with us? We actually took that from our interview?

Okay, thanks. The speaker search begins in earnest. The folly of the McCarthy ouster and the contenders who want the job. Number two. No, I'm there will not be another foot of wall constructed in my administration.

I'm going to make sure that we have border protection, but it's going to be based on making sure that we use high-tech capacity to deal with it. Build the wall. That's not Trump talking. That is that guy named President Biden. Trimaorcus, it's its new policy.

Democrats are really doing what we all knew they had to do, and they all are concluding what we all knew already, and they probably did too. Walls work and the border is being blitz, as yet another Dem mayor heads down, and I'm looking at the footage right now, to set his foot in Central and South America to tell everyone not to come and find out why they are coming. Number one. They made up a fake case. They're fraudulent people.

And the judge already knows what he's going to do. He's a Democrat judge. In all fairness to him, he has no choice. He's run by the Democrats. Gone too far.

Even Trump critics agree that get Trump to Agree that the get-Trump movement is out of control.

Now it seems the FBI is even targeting Trump supporters. The effect he is lapping the GOP field, beating Biden in battleground states while they try to bankrupt him in the fall and jail him in the spring. I wish I was exaggerating. Charlie, I'm not exaggerating. Am I right?

No, you're not. I mean, that's exactly what they're doing. No, yeah, because they don't have any other option. And all this, you know, for months, we've been hearing from like the White House and their stooges that, oh, who they really want to face next year is Donald Trump. They're doing everything they can so they can face Donald Trump.

That was a lie because just about everything they say is a lie. But it's a particular lie with this because I think that whether they realize it or not, Trump is going to destroy these people if he winds up with the nomination, and he's going to destroy it ev i he's going to destroy them even worse because of these tactics, because these tactics say so much more about hi them than they do about him. What's interesting is obviously they want to take him down. And don't tell me that they knew it would build him up. I am not convinced of that.

There's no way they thought by going after him civilly, taking a case which reportedly was kicked to the curb by the attorney general in the state, the state district attorney. They said it was nothing there.

So the attorney, so Letitia James goes, I'll take it. You'll take it. You'll take it civilly. We're going to do an investigation. You're going to pour over his books and find out if he was exaggerating how much he's worth.

Really? You're going to take him to court on that? And now, with a simple judge who's a left-wing judge, we know it. Pictures of him and Schumer, picture of him, Schumer, and his aide. We know about this guy.

We have him speaking at Columbia University, talking about how he has to trump the pun intended, trump the jury sometimes because they're kind of dumb. And now we watch this yesterday. Do you know what was happening in court yesterday? He was getting mad at the Trump attorneys for going too slow. Really?

Sorry. His whole fortune is at stake. You have a three-month trial already. I didn't know you were in a rush. No, it's amazing, though, because, I mean, these people, they do.

Believe in hard power. And so the idea of eliminating an opponent through hard power is the way they, that's the way they operate, that's how they think. And so I think that this, it probably is a little bit surprising to them. The notion that they can go after the guy and he becomes more and more popular because that's not sort of in their that's not in their game plan. They don't that's not how they sort of normally operate.

And the other thing is, you know, it's kind of interesting. Whatever you think of Donald Trump, whether you like him or you don't like him, Or wh no, whether you love him or you hate him. And it's usually one or the other. What's interesting is the rest of people, and this is true about Democrats and Republicans in Washington. Most people in Washington don't generate.

uh uh th the anywhere near the passion that this guy does. And because of that, I think it's confusing to a lot of people. They don't know how to handle him. They don't know, they don't realize that that Some people love him so much that if when you attack him, he it's only going to make him more popular. But the other thing that I think is kind of strange w that that they fail to understand, and I think this is and I think a lot of people in our business Failed to understand this too.

A lot of people who really don't like Donald Trump We'll end up voting for him.

Now, I think the only analog to that for Biden is there are going to be some people who hate Trump so much. That they'll vote for Joe Biden. They'll vote for anybody. They will. But but I think that the that that the advantage going on Trump's side in that in that Is far greater because you have a lot of people who are just like pumping gas at a gas station and they're like, Yeah, he's a.

Jerk or whatever, and then it's like. But yeah, I'm going to vote for him. Why? Because I'm paying $4 a gallon. See, the best ad for Donald Trump.

is Joe Biden's policies. The border. Please tell me anybody who thinks the border was worse under Trump, or they wasn't doing everything possible to control it. Number two, gas and energy prices. And number three, our place in the world, overseas.

And then you look at inflation up 17% since he took over, since President Biden took over. He doesn't seem to be tacking it. And we also have, I haven't figured out how we have a lot of labor strikes. I don't know if you know that. The actors, the writers, the healthcare workers, and the UAW.

I thought this guy was Mr. Union. It seems like the unions are pretty upset.

Well, of course. And what is the underlying thread that runs through all of these strikes? Inflation. All these people are not th th their paychecks have dropped by twenty percent, thirty percent. And they it's devastating for them.

And so that's why that's not labor-friendly under any circumstances. But I do think it's kind of interesting. The whole reason Donald Trump won in 2016. Again. missed, I think, by a lot of people in the press.

Is because of the issues. He won on the issues at the end of the day. He talked about things that nobody in the Democrat Party, it's why he won the Democrat nomination, and it's why he won against Hillary Clinton, because he was talking about issues, and he was on the right side of those issues that most politicians hadn't talked about in decades. And then fast forward to today, and the issues are even more in his favor. As you pointed out.

And gas went down. And electric cars were affordable and people loved them and the border was settled. The border alone is enough. Right. If the border was great, imagine if the walls didn't work.

Imagine if his policies did keep people away. And this is one of the things that, you know, I get why people don't like Trump, but what I don't understand is why politicians don't learn from him and steal from him. If I were to the one criticism I would have for House Republicans right now is that what you know we knew that the everything that's happened this week was going to eventually happened to the house. The minute McCarthy got elected with a five-seat majority. I actually didn't.

I actually didn't. It was going to wind up either with a government shutdown or an impasse like this. The only way to get through it is to make it about something. If you're going to have a government shutdown, make it about the wall, make it about, or spending, make it about inflation. You have to make it about something.

And you fight it to the end, and everything has to be about that.

So that when Democrats at the, you know, when it comes to a government shutdown and Democrats refuse to seal the border unless you paid for Ukraine or unless you did something else, you could just say, okay, well, that's not the deal here, so get on it or go away. And then they're the ones that shut the government down because they don't want to seal the border. I want people to understand that Trump was really angry yesterday and the day before when they find out the statue of limitation should play a role in this case, that most of the stuff they're bringing charges up happened prior to 2014, and everyone agrees the statute of limitation is 2014. But now they say, and we need a lawyer here, a lawyer for a lawyer, just come out and say, but we were able to take into account what he did prior to 2014 in deciding if he's guilty. Are you crazy?

So this is driving him nuts. He says, here's what he's saying, cut one. I'd rather be right now in Iowa. I'd rather be in New Hampshire, South Carolina, or Ohio over a lot of... places, but I'm stuck here because I have a corrupt attorney general that communicates with the DOJ in Washington to keep me nice and busy because I'm leading Biden in the polls by a lot.

Mr. Election Interference. He's not wrong. It's total election interference. And this is.

I'm used to it. You know what the fall is going to be like? I mean, you know what the spring is going to be like? But also with the gag orders. I mean, the gag orders are, you know, I get, you know, I mean, all of this is absolute ridiculous clown show theater.

It's so absurd. And when you have a judge making these rulings like at the outset that are absolutely. Absolutely devastating. for uh any company. And by the way, any company that's remaining in New York City that isn't like doing real a real estate search to leave, I don't know why anybody would stay around.

But the in terms of of you know, Let's say that this were a real trial with a real judge, and you had a gag order. I understand gag orders, but you know when gag orders don't work? in an election campaign and And you know, and I think that he could talk about the gag order where there's going to be sanctions.

Okay, gonna be sanctions.

Well, you already you already took you already theoretically took $250 million from him. Are you gonna put him in jail?

Well, it's a civil trial.

So he challenged him yesterday. He called out everybody right away. Yeah, so it th basically this is the animal house primary. And the the judge is going to have to put Trump on double secret probation. And I don't think it's going to have anything.

They don't want him to show up. And Laticia James is trying to fight back. Tell me if you think he's showing up. Let me hear you. Here she followed up yesterday, cut four.

Do not be bullied.

So, Mr. Trump is no longer here. The Donald Trump show is over. This was nothing more than a political stunt. A fun racing style.

Well, he is raising a lot of funds off it. And by the way, it's not over. And she might pretend it's over. I'm just wondering, who is her series of advisors that told her that didn't play this out to understand where it's going to go? They just go, well, it's going to convict him, take his money, take his stuff, and just further diminish him.

And now she doesn't understand he's going to fight back. She doesn't understand how ridiculous this looks. And I imagine she's an intelligent person. You had to go to law school and pass the bar. You had to get this job and set up a campaign to win in a Democratic state.

So did anyone say, listen. Uh Miss James, this could go bad for you. You can't compete with Trump on this. There has not been any evidence that she's an intelligent person. And I don't, and it's amazing.

It's okay. Yeah. But it's amazing how dumb you can be and get elected to public office. And You know, I I I honestly I I there's a I mean I I can't imagine that She has advisors who are advising her on any of this, except it's this blind, it's this psychosis. It's like the government should come up with like a vaccine for Trump derangement syndrome.

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So he gets paid well. He doesn't even need to do this show. When we come back, who do you think is going to merge? That's true. Who do you think?

And I'm going to take all your money. Who do you think? Because you're in New York. Who do you think is going to emerge as the next speaker? We'll discuss with Charlie in a moment.

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Subscribe and listen now by going to FoxNewsPodcasts.com. If you're interested in it, Brian's talking about it. You're with Brian Kilmead. You need someone who can unite the conference, and I think just as importantly, unite the conservative and Republican movement across this country. That's what I think I can do.

That's why I'm running for the job. I like the job I had. Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Chairman of the Select Committee on the Weaponization of Government, doing the work there. But I do think we have to have someone who can bring our team together. I think I'm best equipped to do that.

The eight people who voted in a way that I disagreed with, we got to bring them into the fold. I think I'm best equipped to do that so that we can then go do the things we told the American people we would do for them.

So that was Jim Jordan with Fox and Friends with us one hour ago. He's running for speaker. Also, Steve Scalise is running for speaker. We have a few other people that are going to put their hat in the ring. It doesn't look like Elise Stefanik has made up a decision, made up her mind yet, but other people that are on the list include President Donald Trump.

Robert Kevin Hearn of Oklahoma, Patrick McHenry, the acting president speaker, and Tom Cole. But Tom Cole, as already said, he doesn't want it. They say Congressman Garrett Graves might want to put his hat in the ring. What do you think, Charlie Hurt?

Well, so I love going through all of them. The idea that Democrats would dump Speaker McCarthy and then wind up with Donald Trump as Speaker of the House is one of the funniest things that I could ever possibly imagine. And I mean, you'd have to roll in, like, you'd have to have an entire fleet of ambulances outside the House in order to treat all of the heart attacks that Democrats would have if Donald Trump came in there as Speaker of the House.

So, for that reason alone, I kind of like the idea of Donald Trump. But, you know, he's more of an executive type. I don't know that a legislator would be really his jam. That's just my take on it.

So he's out. He's not legitimate because he's busy anyway running for president.

So what do you think? But it's a really good thing to talk about. Do you think Jim Jordan could bring somebody together to talk about it?

So serious.

So you don't want to play fantasy games. I was really. Really, I have had three minutes.

Okay, okay, okay.

So, Jim Jordan is the guy that can really bring everybody together. McHenry, Steve Scalise, they're all really fantastic. They would all be very good. But Jim Jordan is one of these guys who understands how the House works. He understands how to make it work.

This is a guy, and remember, and going back to the Trump thing, even better possibly than having Donald Trump as speaker is the idea that Democrats dumped Kevin McCarthy in the middle of a session. And then wind up with actual Jim Jordan. People forget, Jim Jordan was Matt Gates about eight years ago in terms of how much people in the House hated him. And he was like the most extreme, right-wing, scary. John Boehner.

John Boehner would say that. Exactly. And so would half the caucus. And Democrats despised him because he was a fighter and he wouldn't let go. And so the idea that they're going to get in bed with Matt Gates, dump Speaker McCarthy, and then wind up with Jim Jordan is hilarious.

But then he would also be extremely effective. There's nobody who understands the words. That word is you really believe that. Because I, Jordan, because you just got to be effective. It doesn't mean you're like, oh, he's a good guy.

He's charismatically smart, but you've got to be effective.

Well, and again, I think we were just talking about this. You know, you have to be effective. You're not going to get anything done legislatively that the Senate doesn't agree to. You have to be willing to let Democrats shut down the House because they don't want to fund the border or because they are insistent upon spending money we don't have that causes inflation. You have to define the rest of Congress about one thing: either the border or inflation.

And inflation is spending. And everything you do is about that. And you shut everything down except that. And if Democrats want to shut the government down, you have to go in there willing to shut the government down for six months if that's what Democrats do. Can he get a moderate to agree with him?

Can he get Gates to agree? That's the key. Can you see in the caucus? Absolutely. He is a changed man in terms of that.

People love him. I like him. I'd hate to lose him on oversight. Oh, me too. Yeah.

He needs to get a jacket, though. He needs to get a sports jacket. Maybe he won't keep in on that. We could. That's a no-go.

He goes. He could gavel. Yeah. Radio that makes you think. This is the Brian Kilmead Show.

Hi, everyone. I'm Brian Kilmead. Welcome back. Joining me now is Thomas Sowell, author of a brand new book called Social Justice Fallacies, one of the most respected minds and voices in the country today. And it's my privilege to have the multi-New York Times bestseller as our guest.

Professor, welcome back. Good being back. First off, tell me about what do you mean by social justice fallacies? There's some truths that aren't truths, I guess.

Well, I think I would say most of the truths in that division are not true. One of them is, for example, that there's something very strange about different groups whether by race, sex, or whatever, have very different representation in different kinds of institutions and activities, and that therefore something sinister must be going on. In point of fact, disparities are virtually universal. As I mentioned in the book itself, you can read reams of social justice literature and not encounter a single example of a country where people from different groups are equally represented in different occupations or activities. And and that's true if you go back whether you're looking uh at countries around the world today or you're looking back through history, you know, for for over a thousand years.

So, what people want to do is say, oh, the reason why Hispanics aren't big here, or blacks aren't big here, or. people in the Midwest aren't doing what here is discrimination. They want to say it's racism. When you say there's a logic behind almost all of it and that we can't o script outcomes, we can only script opportunities. Because and the outcomes, among other things, depend upon what the individuals themselves want to do.

One of the examples I've often used is to imagine if some black baby is born in the middle of the ghetto with muscles identical to those of Rudolph Nerea, the great ballet dancer. The chance of that kid becoming another Rudolph Nere must be one in a thousand if that high. Because the whole thing he's not going to grow up oriented towards that kind of thing. And one of the things that bothers me w back when they when people talk about the days when they had ability grouping in the schools, and it wasn't really ability grouping, it was outcome grouping. Because when you have some students that really don't care about school one way or the other, I don't know how you know what his ability is.

Exactly, how they apply themselves. But yet they look at real test scores and they judge what kind of teacher you are, what kind of school system you're in. You also say there's just certain things that are universal, and it has to do with the environment. It doesn't mean the society is unequal or people trying to hold you down.

So, for example, you bring up, you know, why aren't more Hispanics in the tech industry? There must be a bias. There must be a reason. There is a reason, but it's not bias, right? There are more Asians in that area because there's a higher number of Asians with degrees in engineering.

That's not an unfair advantage. That's just a fact. Yes, and the other thing too is that the idea that we should resent people who have who are doing better than we are. I mean, one of my favorite examples personally is basketball.

Now, when I tried to play basketball as a teenager, I was really awful. I mean, I was lucky to hit the backboard, you know, never mind the basket. But if I were into social justice, I would then hate Michael Jordan because he's such a great basketball player. Actually, I was a big Michael Jordan fan because I realized that he he really introduced some stuff. Uh but but there's an idea that uh When someone like Bill Gates comes along and becomes a multi-millionaire, but he's somehow subtracting.

from the the the the the the uh wealth of of the the rest of the society. But there's no fixed or predestined wealth out there. And he's probably created trillions of dollars of wealth around the world. And if he becomes a multi-billionaire out of it, so be it. But to all those other people who can do Any number of things better with a computer than they can without it.

All those people benefit financially and otherwise. See, and we're talking to Thomas Sowell, and that people might be saying, listening, well, that's just conservative thought. That whole economic thought is out of the success, you have other people that work for you. Like I might work for Bill Gates, and then I might become a manager there. I might learn, I might split off and get my own company, hire other people, because I was able to go be a part of a great organization.

And that's the theory.

So Bill Gates becomes richer, and I have an opportunity to do the same thing because Microsoft exists. And then if I think that's a good idea. Objection to people having, but whatever kind of opinions they do have. But what troubles me a lot. is that we have Notions that catch on in some intellectual elites, and these notions are treated as if these were demonstrated facts.

In many cases, when you look at the data, you find that the exact opposite happens. compared to what they had promised. For example, the the sex putting sex education into the schools, which is not a new thing, by the way. What was new is the parents found out about it because of COVID ha had led to a lot of home sch home schooling. But sex education came in on a mass scale in the 1960s.

It came in with a promise. that it was going to reduce teenage pregnancy and teenage venereal diseases. And if you go look at look at the facts, The fact is that teenage pregnancies and teenage venereal diseases were going down. in the nineteen fifties. uh and and ni uh as of nineteen sixty the uh um infection rate for syphilis was among teenagers.

was half of what it had been in the 1950s. Pregnancy rates are going down. You brought in sex education, all those things. immediately reversed the shut up. And we've not and and and and they've not come down since then.

Similarly with crime. Especially homicide. Homi uh homicide rate for uh for black males In the United States, went down by 18% in the 1940s, went down by another 22% in the 1950s. In the 1960s, the federal courts, the Supreme Court especially, created all sorts of new rights for criminals, changed the whole nature of criminal law. Instantly, The murder rate tripled double from 1963 to 1973.

So you could run through a whole list of things like that, where you're supposed to produce a good result from this wonderful new bright idea. And in fact, the fact that they all show that things got worse.

So, Thomas Hole, I know that you tell the story about growing up and that you grew up in Harlem and that you said you never even heard a gunshot. In Harlem. But yet we always had the Second Amendment. Oh my gosh, yes. You know, I I'll hear I'll hear a uh in California, there's a place East Palo Alto which some de few decades ago had the highest murder rate in the in the country.

The next next the next the next year, the murder rate was way down. And so the question is, did they discover the root causes of crime? Did they get rid of all the injustices? No, they put more cops in there and the homicide rate dropped. And a number of places, people have pointed out things like this, said, oh, it was amazing, as if it's some great coincidence that when you send in a lot of cops.

Yeah, and that way it's so weird that you're describing this. I almost think you're talking about today. We think the problem was there's too many people in jail and that it's not fair to poor people that they can't afford bail.

So now we have zero cash bail, and unless you're a violent criminal, you get to stay out of the court. You get to stay out and be free until your day in court, and you see the results. And now instead of backing off on this, Illinois just started it, California is reaffirming it, and New York is trying to get out of it.

Well, at least in New York, they looked to the data. Politics is a strange institution. Oh. Politics is an institution where You can end your whole career just by admitting the truth that you made a mistake. In an economy, for example, you know, when Coca-Cola tried to change the flavor, and they thought that was a bright idea.

Uh when people started s rather stopped buying Coca Cola, suddenly the the choice between the people who ran the company was, are we going to pretend that that we were right or are we going to stay here and dr and go bankrupt? Or they decided they they'd admit being right and go back to the old col old col old cola flavor. Yep, Thomas Sowell, unbelievable book, unbelievable intellect. And I think the way he looks at American society today, you gotta read this book to understand where we're at and what the reality is from tax cuts to the way people view different ethnic groups. When we come back, more for Thomas Sowell.

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We're talking to Thomas Sowell here. His book is now out. It's called Social Justice Fallacies. And believe me, these are conversations that people have, and they give their opinion. But what you have done, Professor Soule, is you look back at the stats and you look at the results through time in our favorite country, in this country.

And hopefully, we'll learn from it because you have no agenda. You just want to get to the bottom line and see if we could change education, the way people are viewed, and stop blaming everything on prejudice, racism, and sexism. And this week, I'm reading the paper today, getting ready for this interview, and I see this story. In New York, they're looking to raise taxes on high-income earners. They think they deserve another 5% income tax on what they make over 250.

$50,000, another 7.5% of people who make over $323,000.

Now, the result has been what? People who make a lot of money, twenty six to forty five especially, are leaving the state of New York because they're being taxed too high. What is wrong with the thought of taxing the rich because other people need more money? Oh, my goodness. One of the most successful attempts to actually one of the most successful programs to get money from high income people was done in the nineteen twenties.

After the Woodrow Wilson administration, the top tax rate was seventy three percent. It was pure Republicans in the 1920s. And back in those days, Republicans had some kind of principles. But they came in and they reduced the tax rate to top tax rate to 25%. Great outcry that this is tax cuts for the rich.

In point of fact, the federal government collected more revenue at 25% than they had ever collected at 73%. Because 73% people put their money into tax exempt securities and it wasn't taxed at all. uh and and so and one figure that I remember is uh at at the beginning, people who who made a million dollars a year uh paid uh five percent of all the income tax revenue. After they cut the cut the tax rate to twenty five percent, people who were making uh uh a million dollars a year paid more than fifteen percent of all the tax rev uh revenue. And then and for the simple reason that uh uh the tw twenty five percent of something is uh uh larger than seventy three percent of nothing.

Understood. And the other thing that you always talk about is: people think you're going to just take their money and they're not going to do anything. Like, of course, if you're going to take 75% of my money, I'm going to put it someplace else where you can't get it. I know how hard it took to earn it. And what we always hear from this president in particular is: I'm not for you being well.

I don't care if you're going to be wealthy. You can do that, but just pay your fair share. That bothers you a lot. What is fair share?

Well, they will never define it because it has no meaning.

Someone once asked Samuel Gopper, the great labor leader, well, what does labor want? He said, more. And that's true of politicians. They want more.

So they can never tell you what the fair share is or on what basis you would figure it if you could, quite aside from whether you'll ever collect it.

So, Thomas, the other thing you talk about, too, is. Civil rights legislation and what it meant. Was there a need? Absolutely. You know, in 1865, we ended the Civil War.

Reconstruction kicks in. We have the Compromise of 1877. We take a huge step backwards with the end of Reconstruction, essentially, separate but equal. The Jim Crow laws come into effect. But the one thing that was happening, as evil as it was, the black family was intact.

And as much as no one will ever make excuses for back of the bus, separate water fountains, no one will ever say that that'll ever be okay. The one thing about the African Amer the black family can't even say African American, it could be Caribbean or American, doesn't matter, is that the family was intact. How important was that family unit in retrospect? Oh, those huge. It was huge.

And you can tell that by what happened when when the family disintegrated. uh there's a there's a monumental study called the black family and slavery and freedom by herbert gutman anyone who wants to get some facts as distinguished from rhetoric rhetoric should read that the p there were there were there were heart rending stories After the end of slavery, where many people began looking for their relatives who had been sold somewhere else. and uh being illiterate. That they would have someone write letters for them. They would send them to some local church where they thought maybe a son, a brother, or a cousin was.

And these would then be read out in the church. And so the enormous struggles to reconstitute families that had been split by slavery itself, going on for decades after the Civil War. And today we have places where, you know, there are women on welfare who've had children by a number of men, none of whom take any interest in them, even though the kid is right down the block. And that is not peculiar to blacks, by the way. The very same pattern exists in England.

Uh uh and to the very same degree. Uh and yeah, near the underclass is predominantly white.

So, they have no re they have no racism to face, they have no legacy of slavery, and they have the exact same phenomenon. You have it in the schools as well as in the family. And so, the the the seizing upon this historical tragedy to as you to explain everything leaves out the fact that the black family in 1940 More than four-fifths of all black children were raised in two parent families. Before that century was over, it was down to less than a third.

So th this this happened after the welfare state came in.

So as you see, nineteen sixties meant to help. The stats are undeniable. They didn't. And that's what Tim Scott's saying. That's what Thomas Sowell's research reveals.

It's all in his book, Social Justice Fallacies. It's hard to believe that he's in his nineties. What a successful life, what a great mind, and so much more.

Meanwhile, we're watching the events that are happening today. We're seeing right now behind the scenes, Speaker candidates, it looks like the frontrunners early on are Jim Jordan. It looks like Steve Scalise. Steve Scalise has already met with the very powerful 28-member Texas caucus, and he's meeting with the Florida caucus to try to get them to vote for him. I did see him in the hallway, Steve Scalise with a mask, because he's going through horrendous treatment and walk with a cane.

I understand why he wants this, but man, it's going to be taxing on the body because with the speakership, you got to travel and you got to raise money. This is what we could say so far. In the Jim Jordan camp, Thomas Massey. Darryl Isa. Mike Carey.

Uh At Mike Carey, how supporting Jordan, now also in the Scalise camp. By the way, Donald Trump has Marjorie Taylor Greene. In this Golise camp, he's got the support of Vern Buchanan. He's chairman of the 20 person delegation. From Texas.

So that is indeed going to help. Excuse me, from Florida.

So that's going to help. And we'll see what he can do.

Now, Steve Skleetz was not great friends with Kev McCarthy. He was not voting to get him out, but they evidently haven't had a good relationship since 2018. Jim Jordan got along with everybody, it seems. And even though he came in, it was a bit of a Uh a disruptor. He hasn't been lately and people are in awe of what he does on the Oversight Committee.

My feeling is, no one could replace him on the Oversight Committee and be as effective. Same with Paul Ryan, no one could replace him on Ways and Means, and they got rid of him as Speaker. He kind of quit himself. From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmead.

Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brighton Kill Me Show.

So glad you're here. This hour going to be joined by Mark Thiessen, who's standing by, Tom and more from Uh Thomas Soule. At the bottom of the arrow, so that'll be great. The author of Social Justice Fallacies, if there's a smarter guy in America, I really don't know who it is.

So let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. You need someone who can unite the conference, and I think just as importantly, unite the conservative and Republican movement across this country. That's what I think I can do. That's why I'm running for the job.

That is Jim Jordan saying, Make me speaker.

Well, that's a big change, isn't it?

Well, the speaker search starts in earnest. Steve Scalise also wins. We'll review the other candidates. Number two. No, there will not be another foot of wall constructed in my administration.

I'm going to make sure that we have border protection, but it's going to be based on making sure that we use high-tech capacity to deal with it. And guess who's building the wall? Not Trump. No, it is Joe Biden. At least 20 more feet of miles of wall, 20 more miles of wall.

Democrats are really doing what we all knew. They are concluding that the walls work and the border's being blitzed. As yet another Democratic mayor heads to the border to see for himself. And New York's mayor is actually in southern Central America trying to stop the tide. What a pathetic reflection that is on the federal government.

Number They made up a fake case. They're fraudulent people. And the judge already knows what he's going to do. He's a Democrat judge. In all fairness to him, he has no choice.

He's run by the Democrats. All fairness to him. Forget it. This guy's doing what he wants to do, but it's gone too far. Even Trump critics agree that the Get Trump movement is out of control.

Now, it seems the FBI is even targeting Trump's supporters, according to Newsweek. The effect, he is lapping the GOP field and beating Joe Biden in another battleground state, the latest being Pennsylvania, as they try to bankrupt him in the fall and jail him in the spring. No joke. Mark Thiessen here. You know everything Mark does.

Mark, welcome back. Good to be with you. All right, let's talk about first off Joe Biden. His mayorca says we're going to build another 20 miles of wall, and we're going to do it in the Rio Grande Valley. They really need it.

Really? Walls suddenly work?

Well, they always supported Walls until Trump came along. Yeah. I mean, this was this wasn't an issue of bipartisan disagreement. beforehand. You can I mean you Chuck Schuber was on record saying supporting border barriers.

So it was only because this is the problem with the left is that literally if Trump was for it, they were against it no matter what. And so, you know, it's not surprising now that they realize the border is absolutely out of control. It's a disaster. It's three years in a row of record high encounters. People on the terrorism watch list coming across the border, 1.5 million gotaways, 100,000 people a year dying from fentanyl that's coming across the border, which is the equivalent of a plane crashing every single day in America.

Of course, it's a disaster. And then now, thanks to the genius of Greg Abbott and some of these border state governors of shipping people up to New York.

Now you got Kathy Hochul on Face the Nation this weekend saying Biden has to get the border under control. We got to stop letting everybody in. Yeah, but I blame Republicans for not doing comprehensive reform. Yeah, right. 62% disapprove of the president's immigration policy.

Really? No idea. Here is a look back at Barack Obama and Chuck Schumer in 2006. The bill before us will certainly do some good. It will authorize some badly needed funding for better fences.

and better security along our borders. And that should help stem some of the tide of illegal immigration in this country. Construction of a six hundred thirty mile border fence that create a significant barrier to illegal immigration on our southern land border. Illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple. It used to be so easy to work while in Washington, right?

Right and wrong used to be obvious.

Well, it's still obvious to some of us, but you know, but here's the this is what people don't understand: is that Joe Biden hasn't just reversed Donald Trump's border policies, he's reversed Barack Obama's border policies. I mean, Barack Obama, let's not forget, Barack Obama was decried by the left as being the deporter-in-chief because he deported a record 3 million illegal migrants. from this country. ICE det ICE deportations under Biden have have trickled down to almost nothing. He Obama had record levels of prosecutions for illegal entry and illegal rear entry into the United States.

Those prosecutions have stopped under practically stopped under Biden.

So it's not just it they they when they say that Congress needs to act, the same laws are on the books right now, the same authorities are on the books right now that were under the on the books for Trump and Obama when they secured the border.

So this is a crisis of choice. This is a situation where the President of the United States is choosing not to use the laws and authorities that are currently on the books that both his Republican and Democratic predecessors used to secure the border.

So, you know, it's a crisis of choice, plain and simple. Yeah, the Attorney General is in Mexico today. We have the Secretary of State in Mexico City. We have Mayor Adams. Here he is.

Why is he going to get the message to Mexico City? He's going to be going to Ecuador and he's going to the Darien Pass in Panama. Listen to him, cut 10. There's a body of people who are there that are giving them false hopes and false promises. We want to give people a true picture of what is here.

A lot of people think buses are the only way, but they're coming in other means through airports, through people driving in. And so we want to give an honest assessment of what we are experiencing here in this city. We are at capacity over 117,000. He's got to do it himself.

Now, he better listen because they will tell him that they can't control the people because they believe this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to change their lifetime. And come to America. He's got to do some listening, but it does show the desperation he must feel to buck his own party like this.

Well, I'd like to see him instead of going there. I'd like to see him go to the White House. Talk to talk to and make the case to the president. Remember, Hoku couldn't get the meeting with the president. But I mean, you know, what's the point of being a Democrat if you can't get a meeting with a Democratic President to talk about these problems?

I mean, you know, then at some point you got to speak out publicly and say, you know, my president won't listen to me. He's screwing up. You know, have some courage. Step out and call him out on it. I'll give him this.

When he comes back, I think that he can't help but be sobered up. and understand what is happening, that the people are dying getting here. These are the survivors of the one that ends up in New York City. But the people that are being killed and raped or disappearing. That's another story that I think he'll understand.

Yes.

So almo over two thousand migrants have died cro crossing the border. In the last three years under Joe Biden, two thousand people. And that's not counting all the people who died on the way. That's actually crossing the border, like died, like drowning in the Rio Grande or getting killed in the process of crossing the border.

So yeah, this is this is a humanitarian catastrophe. And the reason they're coming is because they know they get to stay. Yeah, and they get three million, they get their laundry done. If we had Barack Obama in office right now, deporting 3 million migrants, illegal migrants, back to where they came from, the flow would slow down dramatically.

So let's look at PESIS. What do you think is really happening? I know what we know is happening. We see the flood. We see the record numbers.

We know it's going to get worse. We know the Border Patrol is overwhelmed. But so does Joe Biden know this.

So why do you think we have the Secretary of State, the Attorney General? Why do you think we got the Democratic governors? Why do you think Pritzker, Hochl? In your Massachusetts, all speaking out to one mayor, Brandon Johnson, going to the border today. They know this is political peril.

Or is there something they're seeing in the numbers look so ominous that they have no choice in their internals? I think they probably do see the numbers in their internals. I think immigration is going to be a big issue in New York. The big problem they face, of course, is that everybody who is the most of the people who are concerned about this has left for Florida and other states.

So you're never going to get a Republican elected in New York, unfortunately, because all the people who just had enough of it are leaving. But yeah, they're concerned and they should be concerned. And Biden should be concerned because this could cost him reelection. And it's also, by the way, it's also undermining his policies in other areas. I mean, you and I are despondent over the reduction in support for Ukraine amongst Republicans in Congress.

I mean, what is the refrain you keep hearing from the anti-Ukraine Republicans? Biden cares more about Ukraine's borders than our borders. And I look at that and I say, they're not wrong. You know, and of course, we're a superpower. We can secure our own border and also help Ukraine push back the Russians who have unlawfully invaded them for all the reasons that we've discussed here.

But when Biden refuses to do the former, then it's hard to convince conservatives to support the latter. And so he's actually undermining, he's killing Ukraine with his border crisis. He's absolutely killing Ukraine. He wants to get immigration reform done of some kind of immigration. Never going to happen.

Our immigration system is broken beyond Biden's incompetence. We've got to fix our immigration system. You can never, it's got to be done in a bipartisan way. You're never going to get bipartisan support for immigration reform when this border when the border is insecure.

So there's downstream consequences to his mismanagement of this border that, you know, crossed the Atlantic and affect our national security. It's hurting Ukraine. It's hurting Taiwan. It's hurting lots of U.S. allies around the world.

So let's talk about the Speaker, the embarrassment of the century. 147 years haven't had this happen, but now after 269 days, Speaker McCarthy is out. Jim Jordan made it clear he wants to be Speaker. Cut 14. You need someone who can unite the conference, and I think just as importantly, unite the conservative and Republican movement across this country.

That's what I think I can do. That's why I'm running for the job. I like the job I had. Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Chairman of the Select Committee on the Weaponization of Government, doing the work there, but I do think we have to have someone who can bring our team together. I think I'm best equipped to do that.

The eight people who voted in a way that I disagreed with, we got to bring them into the fold. I think I'm best equipped to do that so that we can then go do the things we told the American people we would do for them.

So you sold? I mean, look, I Jim Jordan's a good guy, so Steve Scalise. They've got good candidates out there. But I got to tell you, these eight knuckleheads, you just had Matt Rosendale Came out that he said he was praying for a small majority. Yes.

He was praying for a small majority. God always answers those small majority prayers. He's a lot of Republicans who are running for election because he knew that if there was a big majority, if we had a red wave, and this is the same thing for Matt Gates, too, all of these idiots, if we had actually had a red wave, no one would care a whit about what they had to say. This is the wing of the Republican Party that cost us the Senate, that cost us a stronger majority in the House. And as a result of their incompetence, because they keep putting these extremists into races, they can't get elected.

And so we've left winnable races on the floor, lost our chance to have the majority in both houses, strong majority, killed the red wave. As a result, they're more in powerful now. And so they're ironically, because the people who cost us the midterms are the ones who are empowered now, and they've got a gun to hell to the rest of the Republican caucus. And these people are traitors because they partnered with Nancy Pelosi and with AOC and with Ilhan Omar and all these people to knock out a Republican speaker. I pray that we can win a stronger majority and this doesn't hurt us so that we can make these people as irrelevant as they ought to be.

Well, they're part of that guy. Here's Bat Rosendale and his genius. He wants to be the next senator from Montana. Cut 18. The most important thing.

characteristic to me is to have someone who is trustworthy, that I know when they make commitments to the conference as far as what we are working on, when they leave that room, And they meet with Hakeem Jeffries. Chuck Schumer or Joe Biden that they stand By those commitments to the conference. And then I also want to make sure that we have someone that has an actual vision. Where are they? To help the Republican Party to go.

And they had the ability to incite some enthusiasm to bring the rest of the party along with them. And and so I'm going to make sure that that We get better. All right, there you go. I can't listen to him anymore. I can't either.

And by the way, so Ken McCarthy lied to him, evidently. Yeah. You know what? These people need to go back and listen to schoolhouse rock, okay? Because they understand is that I'm just a bill.

You know, how a bill gets made, you have to control it, it has to pass the Senate and it has to pass, it gets signed into law by the President. And when you have a four-seat majority in the House, you don't get to dictate everything you want. And if you want to get anything done, you have to compromise. And if you want to cut, look, I'm as outraged about the $5 trillion in spending that the Democrats ram through as any conservative is. You know how they did that?

They went out and won elections. And they got a strong enough majority. They won the White House. They won the House. They won the Senate.

And they passed their spending. If you want to repeal their spending, you have to go and win the House. He says with $33 trillion in debt. Yeah, with $33 trillion in debt. Yeah, and Speaker, and it's Speaker.

Well, whatever. Speaker McCarthy brought it up. Lastly, President Trump is being totally screwed in New York City. I think people are seeing it. They're going after what he said is inflated properties that he has.

Inflated hurt nobody. There is nobody that could hurt. There's nobody that says he didn't pay his taxes. There's nobody that said he didn't pay his bills. There's no one that said he didn't pay his insurance.

So it's so severe and ridiculous. Ruth Marcus writes in the Washington Post: essentially, you can go after Trump. But you're overdoing it, and I'm just paraphrasing it. And that is not a conservative columnist in the paper you write for. I think about so many people who would just say, Well, I'm done with Trump, and they might have been thinking about voting for him and voting for him in the past, are now going to his column just because they're seeing Jack Smith see him hold a gun with his picture on it and saying, Oh, I want him sanctioned.

I want a gag order. The judge wants a gag order. They're seeing the way he's treated, and it's helping him. Your thought? 30 seconds?

Ninety one indictments. The Unibomber had only thirteen indictments. I mean, 91 indictments. federal court. State court, civil court.

I mean, these people, it's just the left always goes too far. And here's the thing: they want Trump to be the nominee. Because they think he's easier to beat. But by their conduct and by their overreach, they're actually, they need to remember 2016. They thought there was no chance he was going to get elected in 2016.

And they did this in the midterms. They did this where they ran, they helped MAGA Handigits get elected in House and Senate races because they know they'd be easier to beat, and it worked. It might backfire on them in 2024, and we could get another Trump president. Every time we talk, I think it got closer to reality. Mark Thiessen, we never have enough time.

Thanks so much. Take care. All right. Calls next. Brian Kilming.

Coming to you on a need-to-know basis, because Mandy you need to know, it's Brian Gilmead. The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead. Hey, welcome back, everybody. Just a lot going on this hour.

Mark Thiessen, too. He's as conservative as it gets, and he just can't believe the anarchy that took place this week. After the dealer was cut Sunday, after the anarchy on Saturday, and then the fallout that's taken place. And the reason why he's caught off guard is because it never happened before in a lifetime.

So you're talking 147 years, nothing like this has happened. And now the scramble to get a speaker, we didn't really go heavily into, but people are so angry. Uh people are so angry. Right now, on the Republican side, that they might drag this out. And who knows, they might even try to find a pathway to get McCarthy back in there.

I don't think so, just by judging by the craziness of the people that got him kicked out. I mean, I've talked to. Congressman Goode is not budging. Gates is not budging. This is his whole identity.

And then you have this Congressman from Tennessee who. Uh is not budging.

So, Nancy Mace, I don't even know why she was involved with a group of people that don't believe anything that she believes. The only thing they know, have in common is they're both from the same party. All right, and we come back. More from my interview with Thomas Sowell. This is the Brian Killmeat Show.

Remember, you can get Teddy and Booker T. Pre-order. November 7th, it comes out. The two American icons: how they blazed a path to social equality. And we're still blazing that path today.

Don't move. This is three hours in radio. You're with Brian. Trying Killmead. Welcome back, everybody.

It's my privilege to bring you more of my interview with Thomas Sowell. He's the author of Social Justice Fallacies. One of the fallacies is that the great society was going to take off under Lyndon Bain Johnson, who's going to make everything equal and make it better for minorities, especially African Americans. There would need to be reform in the 1960s, but the results were anything but great.

So, Senator Tim Scott brought that up, and people thought that he said some horrible things about him for saying it, but he lived it. We begin the interview with Thomas Sowell with a soundbite. From Senator Tim Scott. Black families survived slavery. We survived poll taxes and literacy tests.

We survived discrimination. What was hard to survive was Johnson's Great Society, where they decided So putting money. Where they decided to take the black father out of the household to get a check in the mail and you can now measure that in unemployment, in crime, in devastation.

So people, Democrats got offended that he took on the Great Society. Where do you stand, Thomas Sowell? But Every word. You said that was absolutely correct. Uh Like the Democrats should stop being offended and start facing facts.

On the other hand, the Republicans are not always facing facts either.

So, in the great society, it might have been well intended, but the result was the essential incentivization of Of uh of getting welfare checks and if you have at one point A single parent family, you'd get more money. Oh, absolutely. And the data in my book shows that, you know, black married couple families. have had poverty rates. Under 10%.

For more than a quarter of a century, every year, for more than a quarter of a century, starting in 1994. And so that. Differences between races are not necessarily racial differences, either in the sense of genetics or in the sense of discrimination. That where there are behavioral differences from different cultures, which there always are. Uh those who have a certain behavior pattern uh do not do not have the same consequences.

By contrast, uh white female-headed families uh have had uh uh uh much higher poverty rates than black married couple families. It's it's not it's not the race as such, it's the it's the behavior patterns. And you think one of the great things that happened to you is you did have a two-parent family. You were adopted. You're living in New York City, and you asked your family, when did I start walking?

He goes, We don't know because your feet never hit the floor. You were being held so much. And that really laid the foundation to be this great person you ended up becoming.

Well well, I I I know that there it was it was really more like a four parent family in the sense that they're that I was the only uh uh child in a family of four adults. I still had I idle. lot of people there to to to to uh in in the in the early years especially when so every everything is so crucial. And Thomas, also you bring up the fact that there's There's reasons why certain people are successful. For example, the oldest child in a family.

It tends to be more successful because at a time they were the only child. And you said there's no coincidence. It's not a coincidence that most astronauts were the oldest in their family. How does that figure into what you become? Oh, well, there's no question about it, because they saw things even though they had little little education, they were thinking ahead about my future.

And of course, when I was a kid, I wasn't thinking about the future. To me, the future was two weeks from now. But they met some kid who was very bright and very intellectually oriented, and they immediately, the light bulb went on it, that he should sort of take me in hand. He's a year older than me. And it was through him that I went into a public library for the first time, having no idea what a public library was.

Little things can change lives. As you look at your life now and look at what we've experienced as a country, you remember the segregated South. That's not stranger to you. You don't have to read that in the book you lived it. But as we look now, we seem to be more racially aware now than ever before.

But in essence, is America more equal than it ever was? Oh no, I know. The painful irony is that as the rates of intermarriage have risen to levels far beyond they were in the past, everybody is now more intensely into a racial identity. And that's not that you're using the United States. The same thing you see it in New Zealand, where the Maoris are constantly talking about their identity.

I don't know if there are any how many pure-blooded Maoris there are in New Zealand as compared to those who are Maori and white. And what are you going to do if you're going to have reparations, for example? How are you going to unscramble all these people when an absolute majority of black Americans have Caucasian genes?

So do you look at America, I mean, if would you see progress in race relations today? I see progress where people have been left alone to work things out. themselves. I see a lot of retroaggression where there are pre presumptuous people among intellectuals and among opportunistic politicians who are playing up racial differences in order to win votes. And today, when you saw the George Floyd riots and the rise of Black Lives Matter, and then you mentioned reparations, especially in the West Coast, the brainchild of your genius, Governor, are those things, do you think show progress?

Are they disturbing to you? No, no, no, my gosh. It makes me wonder if we're not buying problems much bigger than any human being can solve. Um The George Floyd riots were especially painful to me because. When you think about it, What what were the what what what were the people protesting?

That they say, well, they protested that what the policeman did. It was an evil thing that the policeman did. Everybody I know. One one of the most conservative Radio broadcasters went ballistic denouncing the policeman. I can't think of any incident in American history where there was more, at the very least, 99% agreement.

The cop shouldn't have done it. He should have been fired. He should be indicted. He should be tried, convicted, and sentenced. All of that happened.

So, what was the you know, if you're going to riot with his unanimity, good heavens, what are you going to do when there are differences of opinion?

So, that was Thomas Sowell speaking out about things that he's been researching his entire life. Name of the book, Social Justice Fallacies. And if you want to arm yourself with the next great statement on your, whether it's your backyard barbecue or a tailgate, with facts about America. Do that. When we come back, Booker T.

Washington: His message in the early 20th century and how some are running from it today and they shouldn't. Brian Kilmead Show. It's Brian Killmeade. He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Killmead.

Welcome back, everybody. So, I'm talking more with Thomas Soule in this portion of our interview off his book, Social Justice Fallacies. One of the most respected deep thinkers in America today. We talk about Booker T. Washington, who really is defining.

Don't be mad at yourself if you don't know. We didn't learn a lot about it in school, but in my book, Teddy and Booker T, I went heavily into it. First time I got the book was up from slavery. He talks about what he did for education and what charter schools are doing today. Let's listen to Thomas Sowell talk about education in America.

Just looking back at race relations, I wrote the President Freedom Fighter. You studied Frederick Douglass and where he came from slavery, how the meagre means in which Abraham Lincoln came back from, and then picking up where he left off, Booker T. Washington, who overlapped with Frederick Douglass, was able to put together educational institutions in the segregated South. Yet today, Booker T. Washington is not necessarily embraced by the black community.

Do you understand why? Oh, he he he he he his pro his program was different from theirs. That he was trying to make sure that the blacks acquired skills at Tuskegee Institute, which he founded. And one of the skills they Taught was building skills. And so many of those buildings were built by the students themselves on the basis of what they had been taught.

And they were making their own bricks. And and even in the in the in the s in the segregated South, whites would come over to Tuskegee Institute to buy to buy bricks because they could get a better deal there. And then in the end, it was all about getting at getting your raising intellects and academics, but also learning a trade. Because at that time, the white community wasn't looking necessarily to hire blacks.

So make yourself invaluable. For yourself, for others, start your own business. Yes, there was segregated South and there was racism. Overcome it was his attitude. Does Thomas Sowell have that same attitude?

Yes, I think I I think that we get so much uh attention to racist Uh When I look at groups around the world, and I spent a lot of time studying that over the years. The groups that rise from poverty to prosperity almost never have any charismatic leaders who lead them protesting to other against other groups, no matter how how justified the protesting would be. They put their they invest their time and energies. Into acquiring skills that have value in the marketplace. And that's how they arose.

In the United States, for example, there was a time 100 years or so ago when pe people of Japanese and Chinese immigrants could not legally. own property in California. They didn't spend their time worrying about that. built up their their own uh and w and went on. But now I don't believe racist today.

can do half as much damage to to to the the y younger generation of blacks. uh as the teacher unions are doing every day. And because the way they the low expectations, the lack of quality care, it's not a lack of money, lack of funding. You see this staggering Results on academic standards when it comes to the cities. Most of them are run by.

Uh African American mayors? uh run by school to you know most of them are filled with minority students. But it's not because minorities aren't capable of everything others are capable of. It's all about the the situation which they're born into and the classroom. as well as the curriculum.

Yeah, well, I did a book on charter schools a few years ago in which I compared. schools in New York City. where the black and Hispanic uh kids Uh we we're we're in in in were located in the very same building with Black and Hispanic kids from traditional public schools. In fact, I myself went to one of those. schools when I was a teenager.

Uh in in those schools The ones the black and Hispanic kids who are in the traditional public schools reach the required level of mass. Uh seven percent of the time. In the charter school, in the very same building, serving the very same community. 100% of the students met the standards.

Now You know, you can't explain that by race. You can't explain it by race. And you can't explain it by test by test b b bias.

So and the thing is uh uh Dr. Seoul. For the most part, teachers in the public school are even getting paid more, and their days are shorter.

So you can't say, well, you get what you pay for. Not really. If you look at what these what they're producing in these charter schools, you're getting a longer day, more demands, usually a uniform, and you seem to and the demands result in better results. Worse than that. people don't understand.

that the Charter Schools were set up with the idea That You would have an experimental kind of school, and if some things worked there, you could transfer that to the larger, regular public school. Fine. What happened is that the charter schools have so outperformed the traditional public schools. That the traditional public schools know they're never going to be able to do what the charter schools are doing. And so there are laws, including in California.

Right. are forcing the char the charter schools to do the counterproductive things that the public schools are doing in order to save the the jobs of the unionized teachers and in order to continue for the union unions to take in billions of dollars in union dues every day every year. And you would think that, okay, well, I love what that charter school is doing. Let's learn from that. Instead, they look at them as the enemy.

And I don't know if you've been involved, but I watch what's happening on in New York all the time. And they're trying to keep down the charter schools. There were supposed to be dozens more, but they're just leaving them empty. And they're not staffing them up and putting kids in there because it would hurt the amount of people in the public schools. But if you really cared about minorities, like you claim to, you'd want to fill up those charter schools because you want the results: better educated, highly motivated students.

Yeah, the the last time I checked, there were fifty thousand students in New York City. on trying to get into charter schools and not able to do so. In California, it's even worse. In twenty nineteen, a law was passed saying that disruptive students cannot be expelled from charter schools.

Now if the you know, in other words, the child schools had had had behavioral standards. And so instead of raising the behavioral standards of the public schools, they would rather. Deliberately handicapped the charter school. It is quite cynical. I'd just like to go back in history.

By the way, we're talking to Thomas Sola's new book that you need to read, his Social Justice Fallacies. He goes out and gets the facts about institutions and the families and races and lets everybody know that we aren't necessarily in a we're not in a racist society. There were societal reasons why certain things happen. And one of the things we could all do is if you want to raise somebody, you raise them in a stable family. That's probably the best thing you could do if you want your kid to be successful.

But just looking back in history, it's just amazing how the smartest people, if you look back in time, had opinions because that's how they were brought up. I know Benjamin Franklin was brought up and he was a guy who had slaves. And he just thought, well, whites are smarter than blacks, and that's just the way it is. And then later on, he would find out and see black kids in school and see the results and start noticing there is no difference. He became the ultimate abolitionist in his lifetime.

And then other people like Booker T. Washington would notice. That people were brought up in environments where they were always told from the time they were kids that whites were smarter than blacks or blacks weren't smart, and that would gradually change with time. And then you see people like Andrew Carnegie and the rich and famous will stand up and speak out and support people like Booker T. Washington and do the best they can to help the African-American cause because things change.

People are born with perceptions and they're wrong. But it doesn't mean they're necessarily evil. It means they need to be better educated and exposed to the realities, which your book does with the fall exposing the fallacies. But if you look back in time, And you say, well, Benjamin Franklin had slaves, we got to hate him, or George Washington had slaves, we got to hate him. I think that's a very dangerous thing to do, don't you?

Yes, what our what our schools are doing is teaching kids to hate strangers who have done nothing to them.

Now that is not not that's not a good future either for that kid those kids or for this whole society. Because once once you start tolerating that from one side, you'll you'll start seeing the same thing happening on the other side. And and at that point, there'll be such outrage that the actual substantive issues won't matter anymore. There'll there'll be people out for revenge and counter revenge, on and on.

So, I hope you enjoyed that interview with Thomas Sowell and you can learn a lot. You really can all day. Also, special thanks to Mark Thiessen for this hour, for rounding it out, and just giving us a different perspective about what's going on in America. I read that we have not had positive visions as a country of our own country since back in 2004. 2004.

It's time to look back and understand where we are and not panic about some of the derision and division today. Brian Kilmeicho. Keep it here. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmead.

Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kill Me Show.

So glad you're here. We have a lot to discuss today, amazing some reversals, too. It's amazing how the President of the United States seems to be coming more and more towards Donald Trump's policies.

Now, the latest is at the border. We're going to discuss that with Jonathan Turley. And we also have a great guest coming our way. It is Chef Marcella Viadali, and she's going to be with us, author of Familia, an Emmy and nominated celebrity chef, former food network host. And we'll talk to her, and then we'll take your calls too.

But right now, let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. You need someone who can unite the conference, and I think just as importantly, unite the conservative and Republican movement across this country. That's what I think I can do. That's why I'm running for the job.

Wow, the speaker search begins in earnest. The folly of the McCarthy ouster and the contenders who won his job. Number two. No, there will not be another foot of wall constructed in my administration. I'm going to make sure that we have border protection, but it's going to be based on making sure that we use high-tech capacity to deal with it.

Exactly. Except for now, Joe, you're building the wall. That was then, and now we're living in the real world. That's not Trump talking. Try Mayorkis.

Democrats are really doing what we all knew. Walls work, and the border is being blitz, and yet another Dem mayor heads down south to see for themselves how bad it is. Number one. They made up a fake case. They're fraudulent people.

And the judge already knows what he's going to do. He's a Democrat judge. In all fairness to him, he has no choice. He's run by the Democrats. Gone too far.

Even Trump critics agree. They get the Trump movement is out of control.

Now it seems the FBI is even targeting Trump supporters. The effect, he is laughing the GOP field and beating Joe Biden in another battleground state. They're trying to bankrupt him in the fall and jail him in the spring. Will that work? Hey, Jonathan.

Jonathan Turley of George West University. Welcome back. Thank you. Jonathan, I the civil trial has me so confused. I mean, just without that law background that you haven't teach.

I'm seeing a judge say before the whole thing starts. He committed fraud. He owes roughly $250 million. We're probably going to take his business certificates.

Now, let a three-month trial begin. What's the point of this? Yeah, it there is a reasonable question in many people's mind as to the level of effort being taken here. In real estate, it is a common problem of overvaluation and undervaluation of property. It's a common practice.

I think that there was over and under evaluation here as well. But the question is, what's the response to that? And the response here is a virtual nuclear option where they're going at this for this massive trial. And the question again is why? I mean, the the Trump team does have a a valid point.

It does not appear to be any victim in the sense of banks losing money. Their argument is that banks made millions of dollars off this. But this is really the product of a New York law, which is different from most laws. It does not require that you intended to defraud. It doesn't require that anyone lost money, that there's any Sort of conventional victim.

And on that basis, James is allowed under this law to seek massive disgorgement of profits, even though that was not taken essentially from any victim. And a lot of people are asking themselves: well, why? This is a practice that has long been. Objected to, even if you find over and under valuation, which I think there's evidence of that. You know, why isn't this just a matter of a settlement?

James wants to run him out of New York. And we've seen that.

Well, denying. Yeah, and we we saw it in the past. I criticized her about her selective prosecution. It's not just running on the promise to bag Trump for something. But she's been very selective.

She sought to get rid of the National Rifle Association. the largest Second Amendment organization in the country, she wanted it to be uh tak uh taken down by the court. because they had these spending issues and what and fraud allegations. And yet as I mentioned in that P's, other liberal organizations That have had the same type of allegations. James has no interest in, you know, Black Lives Matter.

has been subject to fraud allegations in various states. Huge amounts of money have disappeared. She's not trying to disband Black Lives Matter. She's not even pursuing it. The same is true with L.

Sharpton's organization. There's been years of allegations that Sharpton was effectively pilfering off that organization. She doesn't have any interest in that. And that's called selective prosecution.

So you can accept that there was over and under evaluations here. I think that that is going to be borne out. But the question is, how different is that from other organizations? And why this nuclear option for the Trump organization? Absolutely.

So I'm just telling you right now, among the people with the perception that we have, I think it's most everybody. There's so many Trump haters out there. It's so interesting to see them look at this case and try to pretend there's no politics. Ruth Marcus doesn't even think about pretending. As she wrote yesterday, the rule of law means not allowing Trump to evade responsibility, criminal or civil, for his behavior.

But it also entails not treating Trump more harshly than anyone else in similar circumstances. And I worry that that is happening here. Being forcing the sale or other disposition of his businesses, as the judge ordered in his opinion last week, seems both unnecessary and unduly punitive, he goes on, and disproportionate. I mean, this is unbelievable. And I think a lot of people who don't have the Even Ambition to own a building or a golf course or a city like he does.

Look at this and say, if they could do this to him. and seemingly get away with it. W we're doomed.

Well, I also think that it is astonishing that many people in New York, particularly lawyers, really haven't objected to how James has proceeded. Once again, you can Trump has always been known to over and undervalue property. And I think he picked up that habit in the New York real estate market where that's common. Doesn't make it right. But people are silent about watching a person run for the Attorney General's position.

Pledging to bag an individual on anything. I mean, it's very different from saying, you know what, Trump shot someone on Fifth Avenue, and we're not going to let that happen.

Okay, that's a crime that you're saying wasn't prosecuted. She was saying, I'm going to get Trump. I'm going to get him on something. Wait a second. She says she denies that.

So listen to her past comments. Everyone at home, Jonathan Turley is not just thinking that. It's not that he has a source. He has a television. Listen.

The president of the United States has complained that I'm engaging in some sort of political witch hunt, that I've got some personal vendetta against him, that I campaigned against him. That is not true. President, who sits in the White House. President. Because he's not my president, he's an illegitimate president.

His days are numbered. His days are numbered. We've got to get ready to mobilize, and we've got to get ready to agitate and irritate. Until victory is won, but more importantly. Until Trump is defeated.

I don't know, do you think she's there's a lot of nuance there? Yeah. And you know, it was very uh a number of us were really taken aback by her comments during the campaign. Otherwise, I wouldn't have written that that column because it was really so far off the pail And if you had had a Republican prosecutor saying, if you elect me, I'm going to go after Trump or go after Hillary Clinton, then there would be the similar objections. After him for what?

And we've seen also with Alvin Bragg, he brought this case which is the weakest of all these cases. I think it's absolutely Ridiculous. I and he did that. Out of political pressure. And yet, every one of these good legal order type of advocates in the media and in the bar are silent because their views change on who the defendant is.

And that's not how principle works. Principle works if you say things that you don't want to say, but you have to say.

So, Newsweek has this story today: the Donald Trump followers are being targeted by the FBI leading up to the 2024 election. This is, according to an FBI agent, the federal government believes the threat of violence and civil disturbance around the 24 election is great, that it was quietly creating a new category of extremists that it seeks to track and counter Donald Trump's army of MAGA followers. The challenge for the FBI, the primary federal agency charged with enforcement, is to pursue and prevent what it calls domestic terrorism without direct reference to political parties or affiliations.

So, this is what's in Newsweek now: the FBI looking at MAGA followers as terrorists. You okay with that? No. In fact, I testified on this many months ago because the Democrats were pushing legislation that would have made ideology A focus of targeting by the FBI. And I testified and said, don't do this.

You can actually investigate lots of violent groups that are based on any one of criteria, but don't try to prioritize ideology because that's. what has happened in the darkest periods of our History. And it just seems like the FBI has sort of quietly done that anyway. That legislation did not pass. The Democrats weren't able to get it through.

And it's a very dangerous thing. You know, many of us were very critical of what happened on January 6th. Most of us believe that people should be punished. Uh if they engaged in the riot. But hundreds of people were trying charged.

And often those people were charged with relatively minor offenses of trespass or unlawful entry. And yet they were held for a very long time and they were also given very, very harsh punishment. And it it seemed to fit what this lead FBI agent said. Which is they wanted to do shock and awe. They wanted to put everyone back on their heels.

And some of us objected to that and said, you know, that's not a healthy thing for a legal system to do shock and awe as the FBI. Why don't you just focus on prosecuting cases and treating them equally?

So, this Newsweek story, this one reporter has said another quote: Another senior intelligence official who requested anonymity told Newsweek: We crossed the Rubicon. Trump's Army constituents, the greatest threat of violence domestically, politically, and the reality and the problem set, that's what the FBI as a law enforcement agency has to deal with. But whether Trump and his supporters are a threat to national security, to the country, whether they represent a threat to civil war, that's a trickier question. And that's for the country to deal with, not the FBI. Yes, and it's a little bit convoluted because you're also saying that they're targeting those individuals.

So I like the last part because there's a lot of rhetoric that goes into all of this. But the question is, is the FBI using ideology As a threshold criteria. That's dangerous. That's what happened to the left during the McCarthy period. They were targeted because of their ideology.

And yet, Some want them to pick up the same cudgel and use it against the right. It's crazy. And the thing is, there is not a history of violence outside January 6th with Trump supporters. In fact, they're usually the victims. We watched them get beat up a few days before.

No one remembers that. They're in a protest. Most of the time, they were getting knocked around.

So that's why Eric and others were on text messages saying, Eric Trump, these are not our people. You know, our people aren't like that. And it's amazing the FBI hasn't realized that unless they're that politicized. Lastly, Jonathan, your experience last week in the beginning, in the beginning of the In the beginning of the impeachment inquiry, your thoughts about them bouncing off you and the attacks you took. Ha ha ha.

Well, unfortunately, it was expected. You know, I've testified over a hundred times. In Congress, and there has been a change. There was a time when you could go and talk about constitutional history and theory. have disagreements.

But it wasn't personal. We weren't that problem of attacks. That's become the norm. And in fact, in my testimony, I encourage them to think about this. You know, think about what They are teaching others.

When people see members making these ridiculous attacks, You can't complain. about the rage rhetoric in our country when you're fueling it. And that's what happened with this member from Pennsylvania. Although I have to tell you, I didn't expect that to be the attack. But my kid sitting there, he basically said I was a polygamous fellow traveler and then lied.

You know, he said that I represented a guy named Green, and I supported him in these waving around these articles. That's not true. The articles he's waving around, I condemned Green. Never represented him. I was representing the sister wives in first a criminal, then a civil action.

Now I told and but he wouldn't let me finish. He cut me off and then he left the room. About thirty minutes later, someone was kind enough to say, would you like to respond? And I said, look, I'm a libertarian. I don't believe the government should tell consensing adults.

what they should do in their in their their bedrooms. But that was absolutely untrue. I condemned that individual and said that he should have been prosecuted. But it didn't matter. The member was long gone.

He got his snippet on the air. And that's all they really care about. Yeah, it's unbelievable. I'm watching people talking to you. I'm just remarkable how you kept your control.

But people listened to what you had to say. They really understood what the impeachment inquiry was about and what it wasn't about. It's legitimately an investigation. That's what it's for. And it's to allow them for additional opportunities to get the people to comply with the subpoenas.

Jonathan Turley, thanks so much. Thanks, Brian. We come back. We'll take your calls. Brian, kill me, show.

Then, the bottom of the error, we do something totally different. You're with Brian Kilmade. Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Early on in the pandemic, Philip said to me, You should do online cooking.

And honestly, I was like, I'm too cool for that. Not because I'm too cool, but I was like, Because my audience expects a certain quality from what I put up there. For the last 10 years, I've done high-end productions with really big networks. I just don't want to do Zoom cooking classes, like, I don't want to compromise the quality of my work and my delivery. And then Selena Gomez invited me to be a guest on her show, Selena and Chef.

And I was like, How are they gonna do that? Because every time we do a television shoot, it's usually like between 20 and 30 people here. They sent over just two people, and we taped that show. And in the middle of it, I was like, Philip. Ask all the questions.

And we asked about sound, about cameras, we saw how they cooked up the cameras to the stove. Like, I saw them do all of these things. And in my mind, I was like, well, if she could do this for a massive, gorgeous, beautiful super production for HBO Max, I could definitely do cooking classes and give you guys a quality product. And there you go. That is Chef Marcella Vidali, who's going to be coming up next, got a brand new book out, and she's going to come to you right in a moment.

Let's try to squeeze in some calls. Chris, listen on WDBO and Orlando. Hey, Chris. Hey Brian, earlier on you had made mention about uh Mrs. Mace.

And why she was the one female out of the eight. Not so much female, she was the one who totally disagrees with Matt Gates on everything, but not on that. Yeah, but specifically, the reason she said that she ousted McCarthy was because he made her a promise that the House would address women's health rights. And we know that this boils down to. It's we have to come up with women's health rights and a choice to fifteen weeks and then abortion thereafter.

And it's not coalescing as Republican, it's coalescing as Legislation to help everyone, accomplish. I'm not sure 15 weeks. I'm just saying that I'm not sure a national legislation has any momentum. I think it's a conventional wisdom on the right. And just because he didn't do it in nine months doesn't mean he's not going to do it ever.

So, to me, I don't get it. I mean, she's sitting there with Steve Bannon, with Matt Gates, and she asked for Steve Bannon should be jailed, and he's being interviewed by her. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Kilmead. Welcome back, everybody. A few minutes to do something a little different.

We can put the speaker's race on hold for a second. I'm sure it'll be okay. Chef Marcella Vayadali joins us now, author of Familia, an Emmy-nominated celebrity chef, former food network host, now doing her own thing as a complete entrepreneur. Marcella, great to see you. Thank you for having me.

And you got this brand new book out. What prompted this to writing this? Mid, actually, not mid-pandemic, closer to the beginning of that pandemic, like a lot of planet Earth, all of my projects just kind of ended. Productions ended. Partnerships were put on hold.

It was a scary time. And I decided to go online and teach cooking classes, basically just to kind of keep myself busy and not go crazy at Zoom with my sister, Garina, and it blew up. We were getting 1,300 students per class from around the world. It was pandemic, so we would get not just a person in a square, Zoom square, but we would get entire families and we would eat dinner together, the thousands of people, and me and my sister.

So it was like. The most amazing thing, and that's how the book came to be. And you said that people would pay to get out, to get on to the books. Yeah, and they got a ticket. That was my job during the pandemic.

They got a very detailed document.

Sometimes I would write up 10 pages detailing the recipes, where to buy the ingredients. I would give them links to the ingredients. I would explain the ingredients. And they got the cooking class, and then they would get a recording of the class as well that they could keep and download and keep forever. Wow, and it just worked out better than you could have imagined.

It became this really huge thing, and I eventually was able to sell this great book proposal. And now it's a, I can't believe it's like a book sitting in front of you right now. Do they shit? Do your recipes and the classes. Take into a how did it take into account that people weren't there alive?

They were they alive, but they weren't with you. Yes.

Did you have to change how you did things? No, great question. I had to take advantage of the fact that Zoom or that gave me the capability of seeing all of my students.

So I would literally be like, is this concept good with you? Can I move forward? Give me a thumbs up. And I would look at the squares. And if I had the majority of thumbs up, I could move forward.

So it was really also a very interactive cooking class. We would open up the squares and ask questions like, how's it looking? Do you want me to show me your food? And it would be like majority rules. If I saw that the Zoom squares all look like I could move forward, I would move forward.

So it was just really cool because it did feel very interactive.

So Zoom was perfect for cooking. Yeah, for those you could see them, yeah, exactly, exactly. We could see each other and we could talk to each other. And there's a chat option.

So if you know, I would ignore the questions if it was something that was in the recipe and they ignored because they didn't pay attention. But if 10 people asked the same question, I knew to take a pause and address it.

So it was really cool. And so that gave a prompt to this book. But in terms of the food you made, what is your focus? Like, what makes you you? Yes, my food, my food is homestyle Mexican food, but I would say a little more leaning towards like maybe California, a little fresher.

I don't want to say a little bit healthier because I don't purposely make it healthy. But if you stick to the traditional methods of Mexican food, it is actually a healthy cuisine. I think that's what people don't know about our cuisine. Right. And that's people are looking for it out because they're looking to survive and they were also noticing what's in their food.

Exactly. And I talk about that on my social media a lot. And I say it can be, you know, being on social media these days can give you so much anxiety because all you hear about is everything that's wrong with our food system and the world and how. Our health and all these things, which are super important to talk about. But I say, if you're overwhelmed, just go to something like these recipes where it's just asking you to cook with ingredients from scratch, whole ingredients, you know, shop the perimeter of the supermarket, get fresh ingredients, stay away from things that come from a box.

It's not that complicated. Traditional methods will always give you healthy food.

So, describe your life growing up. You were going back and forth from California to Tijuana. Yeah, I didn't realize how special that was until I started doing TV and I was doing an interview with the Wall Street Journal, and they were like, wait a second, wait a second. You live in Tijuana, because back and I lived in Tijuana and crossed the border every day. And I'm like, yeah, I grew up living in Tijuana.

My mother and father were Mexican, but my mother was American-born. I am American-born.

So we would cross the border literally every single day to go to school in San Diego with like my Tupperware container with like breakfast waiting in line to get across. Wow. Yeah. So I grew up speaking both languages, eating both foods, both cultures. Like literally, I'm the perfect example of half and half.

Right. And so it was interesting they tried your parents wanted you to school here. Yes.

Why is that? I think for my mom, it was really important that we dominate both languages. She knew the important how it would open, and she was absolutely right in my case, that it would open up a lot of doors for me to have. I already had citizenship because I was born here.

So that papers were not an issue. But for her, it was really important that we were perfectly fluent and understood both languages and cultures.

So do you have you noticed? I'm sure you have, how into Tex-Mex and everything that Americans are? Yeah, oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And I think in the beginning of my career, I was kind of angry about it.

But the reality is, Tex-Mex is just like, it's a different category of cuisine. And now I've become so much more inclusive and inviting of every sort of cuisine and type of cooking. And the reality is, Tex-Mex introduced the country to a lot of the ingredients that I do work with, a lot of the authentic ingredients that I work with.

So it's great. Was it a male-dominated business when you got into it? Here's the thing, and I get asked this question a lot. I never. I never felt that I was at a disadvantage as a Latina.

I grew up in a very, very proud matriarchal household where Mexican women ruled. Like my mom was a CEO. Like the women in my family had all of the power. Not to say that the men didn't, but they weren't traditional, perhaps submissive part of a patriarchal society, which is a lot of 100%.

So I grew up in that bubble where I was just extremely proud of being Mexican and being a woman, that that became my superpower.

So I never felt that I was at a disadvantage. For me, it was always looking at the landscape and seeing all the men and be like, they're missing a mexicana on there. Like that was just my attitude about it. I never felt at a disadvantage. It's never a do not enter sign for you.

No, I never felt like a victim. I always felt like it was my superpower.

So a couple of things. I guess the number one issue right now in America might be the border. Yes.

And we have a mayor of New York. Mm-hmm. And going to Ecuador, Mexico City, going to Panama. We have our Secretary of State, our attorney general in Mexico City today. We have the mayor of The mayor of Chicago at the border today in Texas.

Yes.

How do you view all this, being someone who's so familiar with both countries? You know what? It's such a tough question to answer. And I was just having a conversation with Allison this morning about it. And the reality is, for those of us that live there, and I do a lot to try and make people aware of what's happening, just in the sense that there are human lives involved, and how can I help just as a human helping another human, staying away from politics.

But for someone that lives there, I think I don't want to say it's greatly exaggerated, but I definitely want to say there's a misunderstanding of how those of us that live in the border, how we live and how we cross the border and how it impacts our lives. I think there's a misunderstanding of what truly happens down the road. But what about how you feel about is there a sense that Central and South America think this is one opportunity to get those countries who would come one, come all? Do you worry about the families making it across? I absolutely worry about it.

I worry about the kids. I worry about the children. I worry about the children. And I definitely believe there should be. Listen, I've been there.

I've actually been there with humanitarian aid. And as a human just standing there, and it's I'm not a politician, I make enchiladas for a living, but as a human standing there, you can literally see how the access is kind of open. You can literally see that it's not the hardest thing in the world to just literally walk across. And as someone standing there and seeing this happen, you're like, how can this not be resolved? Like, what is going on here?

And why is this flow of people actually being permitted to come across the border? Like, it's all very confusing what's being reported. And for those of us that actually have been down there trying to care for the children and the pregnant woman and the teenagers, like it's all very sad and very confusing when you're there. And a lot of people are Mexican, right? Mostly from other countries passing through Mexico.

Yes, absolutely. And actually, it's actually one of the things that makes Tijuana one of the most amazing places on earth is that a lot of people come to Tijuana thinking they're going to be able to cross the border and they don't.

So we've become this like massive melting pot of cultures and cuisines. And we have people from all over the world that live there and contribute to the food and the culture. And it's actually one of the most awesome places to be. And Jeff, how would you describe this book? The Family Recipes for People to Sit down.

Down again and enjoy a family meal. Yeah, I talk about that a lot on my social media as well. I think we've lost a lot of those values. And I saw through pandemic what it meant to see families sitting together and eating together and what that does for us as a society, as a community, to bring that back. You know, these recipes are really easy to follow.

I think it's the first cookbook ever where every recipe has been tested already by hundreds and thousands of people, which makes it pretty cool. And that's why the word foolproof is on the cover. They're easy to follow and they'll get the whole family to the table.

So do you, that entrepreneurial aspect, how much more satisfying is it to found and pioneer this way with Zoom and cooking as opposed to the success you already had on the food channel? I think it gave me much more of an opportunity to be authentic to myself and to cook what my audience had been asking me to cook my whole career. It was always hard for me to say, I can't cook these ingredients because the platforms that I'm on deem them too difficult or the ingredients are not accessible or not recognizable. Oh, 100%.

So when I started doing these Zoom cooking classes, I'm like, I'm just going to cook what I cook for my family. And I've found the biggest success in my career in working this way versus working the other way. And how do you explain the fascination people have? It seems to be with With making food, like the food network and chefs like you, they seem to have hit a celebrity status, not many people foresaw in the 80s and 90s. Why is that?

Yeah, I think people, I mean, I can't speak for them, but I can speak like for the recipes that I'm putting out. I think a lot of, you know, where we're talking about the border, I think that for a lot of people, food is a way to connect to a place that's long gone or far away or different country. And I know that's what, that's what I realized in the pandemic during these classes and doing these recipes: that the feedback was so huge and so powerful and so beautiful. And they weren't talking about the food, they were talking about the feeling. They were talking about where these, they're like, I haven't had that arrojojo or that machaca burritos or whichever one of these recipes since I was a kid in like moreli or michoacán or tijuana or whatever.

So I think it becomes. It becomes a connector that takes you back to a really beautiful place for most of us. And how do we get it? Families, anywhere where books are sold. You know, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, talk to your local bookseller.

It's all over the place.

So. Oh, and you have a book signing? I do. I have a big book signing tonight in Brooklyn at a store called This Is Latin America at 5 p.m. And we're going to have ahuas frescas and Mexican candies and we have, we're birthing all the time.

You can't just sign a book. You have to make stuff. Oh, my God. I make it an event. We're giving away so many goodies.

You know what it is? I just want to say thank you. You know how in cookbooks they always have like chefs gives you quotes and stuff? I ask my followers for quotes and they're in my book and their handles are in my book because I wanted to thank my people, my familia, my followers for everything that they've done for me. Like everything I do is a celebration and I thank you to them because they're the reason I'm sitting with you right now.

Gotcha. Yeah. Marcella, thanks so much. Appreciate it. Congratulations on the book.

Thank you so much. All right. And pick it up. It's called Familia. And Chef, thanks so much for being here.

Great. All right. When we come back, we'll be able to find out what else you need to know. I think you need to know more. Educating, entertaining, enlightening.

You're with Brian Kilmead. A talk show that's real. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. This is why the House has got to change that rule so no one member can vacate. It's going to take the institution down.

And the Democrats weren't dumb enough to do this. But the other thing is you got to give the Democrats credit for discipline in the modern era. Nancy Pelosi had a five-volt margin. and they were able to hold together as a party. When George Bush was president, under Denny Hastert, the former Speaker, Republicans had a five-vote majority in the House, and they were able to get things done and pass them because they were disciplined.

The modern Republican Party has got to get its discipline back. Otherwise, the Democrats will own the Republicans, and they did this week. Yeah, no doubt about it. Even though 210 voted for the guy, the other eight got one.

So Jim Jordan's trying to run for that spot, and it's going to be fascinating. A lot of people have dire predictions about how long it's going to take to get a speaker. You think it's bad now? Just think about how many endless votes you're going to have to get a speaker. If Garrett Graves is correct, listen to the congressman from Louisiana, cut 17.

We just went from yesterday evicting a Speaker to just a few days later jumping in a room and electing a new one. There are raw feelings, there's animosity. I don't think that there's consensus behind any one candidate at this point. More importantly, I think before we jump into that, what's more appropriate? Is that we actually focus on rule changes that provide more stability to the office of the Speaker?

This is third in line to the presidency, the chief of the legislative branch of government. Totally inappropriate to have such a low threshold in this right. And still, they still voted to do it. And to have that one-vote margin was not supposed to be a big deal.

Now, I wouldn't know this insider not being in the House, but evidently, Nancy Pelosi went up to Kevin McCarthy when he was considering what to do next to get the votes necessary to become Speaker. He says they want to just have one vote removal where one person could stand up and vote and just snap his fingers or her fingers and vote to remove me from my to vacate the chair. And she goes, Don't worry, I told you the same thing I told John and Paul. I will watch your back. And she didn't.

She was at Senator Feinstein's funeral and didn't make a phone call or text message to say watch is back. And that's why some people are upset. I'm personally not upset. I don't expect you to be trusting Nancy Pelosi on anything. I'm one of the few people in the world never impressed with her.

I think she's about for herself. I mean, not even out for San Francisco. Look who said the message is represents that town. And meanwhile, she got kicked out of her office and Stanny Corey got kicked out of his side office. Because both the both party members essentially said You know, we're not going to give special treatment.

to Democrats. And you know who's taken his office, her office, at least for nine months? Kevin McCarthy.

So that's not going to help. Just a quick thing on Nancy Mace, who is seems to me extremely bright. and extremely Politically savvy. And ambitious? Like almost everybody in the house.

And she was calling out Donald Trump for a while, now praise him when it's worthy. But remember, it wasn't too long ago before Nancy Mace voted for Matt Gaetz that she said this, cut 20. Matt Gaetz is a fraud. Every time he voted against Kevin McCarthy last week, he sent out a fundraising email. What you saw last week was a constitutional process diminished by those kinds of political actions.

I don't support that kind of behavior. I am very concerned as someone who represents a lot of centrists, a lot of independents. I have as many independents and Democrats as I have Republicans in my district. I have to represent everybody. Right.

Of course, you wouldn't have voted with Matt Gates, right? Wrong. She did. She said, because there were two issues he didn't bring to the floor.

Now, one of the things mentioned, I didn't pull this down, is Kevin McCarthy coming out in his farewell speech, that won't speech, press conference, that went about an hour and 15 minutes. He was asked about Nancy Mac. He goes, Yeah, I called up. I said, I understand you think I lied to you. He got the chief of staff on the phone and says, No, you didn't lie to him.

You've done everything you said you would. Then he called back and said, are you sure? Because it looks like she's going to vote against because you've done everything you said you would.

Well, that didn't stop her from doing it. Cut twenty-one.

Well, I have not been fundraising off of this every step of the way. I made my decision last night. I made the decision to fundraise over the last 24 hours because of the threats that I have received over fundraising and money drying up, which is why I need help. The people, the establishment, is coming after me. I've gotten a lot of threats from different groups and different members that they will withhold fundraising no matter what.

And I do need help from the people. And that was a decision that I made late last night because of everything that was going on. And it is a genuine ask. And if people want to support the effort, they can go to nancymace.org. Lynn in Orlando, Lynn.

Yes, hi, Brian. Thanks for taking my call. Uh one thing regarding the Trump Property appraisal, value. Trial. I am just curious as to the fact that no one, I'm frustrated, no one seems to talk about the process of these properties being appraised.

The banks hire third-party state board-certified appraisers. It's not like Trump walks in and sits behind the desk, my property's worth this, and they just accept it. And if they did, it's on them. It's not on Trump. If you're going to just go let somebody assess their own house and ask for a price and then you pay it to them and give them a mortgage at a great rate, that's on you.

But that didn't happen. Lynn, great point. But in New York, they could sue you anyway, and they are. Listen to the show ad-free on Fox News Podcast Plus, on Apple Podcast, Amazon Music with your Prime Membership, or subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Mm-hmm.