DOJ indicts Donald Trump for obstruction, cites Espionage Act

From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kill Me Show. Thanks so much for listening all week long.

As we close out the week, we have just an electric show full of breaking news and keeping you up to date. And I'm privileged that you have chosen us to listen to. Shannon Bream is going to be here at some point. We're also going to have Sandra Smith. But this hour, Carly Shimkiss, her first, I think her first appearance against Coming Back, she claims to have had a baby.

She was off for three months. I need to see the paperwork and the kid.

Okay, wait, I saw the kid. I believe her. And Admiral James Starvitis, the 16th Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, is going to be on in a matter of moments.

So, before we talk about the president's, the former president's indictment. Investigation into the current president and everything else going on in and around this country. Let's get to the big three.

Now with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. The attack began last week, and this is going to be, it's going to take weeks, not days. It's unfolding slowly. None of that surprises us.

The Ukrainians don't talk much about this, so they're going to keep this pretty close to their chest. Let the counter-offensive begin. Ukraine launches their multi-front fight to get back their country. 17% is now occupied by the Russians. It was not an easy start.

It's going to be a bloody-brutal battle, but I have full confidence in the Ukrainians. Do you? Number two. Where's the money? Mr.

President, yeah, great question, Joe. Explosive and damning. That's what Republicans are saying, who were given access to the documents which reportedly show Joe and Hunter Biden getting about $5 million each from this gas company. Number one. But it's called election interference.

They're trying to destroy a reputation so they can win an election.

So I just want to tell you, I'm an innocent man. I did nothing wrong. Indictment number two for Trump. One is more serious than the first one. It's all polarizing.

It is explosive. The former president and current Republican frontrunner will be arraigned Tuesday in Miami. We're going to look at the charges and Trump's plan to defend himself in court and to win a campaign. But with me right now is Admiral James Jarvidis. Let's talk about a different type of explosive behavior, and that's what's going on in the Ukraine.

Admiral, welcome back. Nice segue, Brian. I think the most important explosion at the start of the counteroffensive was the Russians blowing up a huge dam, which has created floodlike conditions in the south and southeast, exactly where the Ukrainians are trying to launch this counteroffensive.

So this almost certainly was Russian sabotage, Brian. And bad news is it's going to have humanitarian consequence. It's going to float landmines to very unpredictable places. It'll probably slow down the Ukrainians a bit, to General Jack Keene's point. We're looking at weeks, not days, as this counteroffensive unfolds.

Yeah, I mean, it's speculated. They also destroyed some of their positions, like you said, some of their minefields.

So that's why it's not abundantly clear who did it. But it's clearly not in the Ukrainians' interest to blow up their own dam. Exactly. I think you always look at the idea of who benefits when something bad happens to try and establish motive. I would guess this is going to turn out to be something the Russians have done.

And let's face it, it's part of their ongoing pattern of attacking civilian infrastructure. They've blown up electric grids. They've gone after the water system. It would be entirely unremarkable to me that they would choose to blow up a dam, even accepting some damage, your point, to their own positions. What they are trying to do is terrorize the Ukrainians.

Not going to work. The Ukrainians are locked in. They are going to make this offensive work. It'll take a bit of time to really get traction. But I look for pretty good results for the Ukrainians this summer.

Yeah, the Ukrainians are looking to break through at Al-Zaporizha, but evidently it's been pretty hard. The Russians had plenty of time to harden a lot of these positions. What would smoke snow? Noteworthy about what the Russians have done in the first week of the counteroffensive. Yeah, that's a very smart question.

And the most important thing they've done is over the last six months, when it became clear that their winter offensive was nothing but an enormous bust, they've gone back to almost World War I, 100 years ago, type of tactics, building deep trenches, long enfilade fire zones, the ability to put up barricades, chop down trees, anything they can do to slow what they know is coming at them. And here's a military fact, Brian. We always say, and you can ask Jack Keene this: we always say that defense is to offense as three is to one, meaning that if you're the defender, you have a three-to-one advantage. And to overcome that, you need a lot of additional firepower. The Russians have taken great advantage of time to really dig in here.

It'll be a hard fight, but I'll close with this. Ukrainian Heavy armor that has been provided to them, and they've trained to it over the last couple of months. I think we'll be able ultimately to crack through those defensive positions the Russians have put in place. Just one thing that's especially sinister and evil. Evidently, they've taken 46 kids, Ukrainian children.

They want to stop Ukrainians from having a next generation the best they can. And they've just kidnapped children. And one of the orphanages, they took all the kids out and sent them deeper into Russia. I mean, think about that type of evil. Those are the people that aim for apartment buildings with civilians and try to bomb out infrastructure because they can't win head-to-head against what seems to be a better-trained army.

In terms of intelligence, we're helping. Here's what General Keene told me this morning: CUD 31. The attack began last week, and this is going to be it's going to take weeks, not days. It's unfolding slowly. None of that surprises us.

The Ukrainians don't talk much about this as they did when they conducted their offensive in June in the Hirshan oblast and also in Kharkiv in September.

So they're going to keep this pretty close to their chest. They did. And they also, he went on to also talk about the intelligence. Cut 34. The United States has been providing exquisite intelligence to the Ukrainians every single day of this war.

We know where the Russians are. Obviously, we have satellite coverage. We do other flights, obviously, not in Russia, but also to know where their Russian positions are in Ukraine. And we have other sources and methods to gather information. That's why the Ukrainians have been so successful at dealing with where's the Russian artillery, where the Russians' command and control bases, etc.

They have pretty good intelligence on where the Russians are.

So we are helping with satellite photos so we can help them pick their spots, the vulnerable spots, right? Indeed, we are, and it's not just satellites. We have signals intelligence, the ability to listen to cell phone broadcasts. The Russians have been incredibly undisciplined in what they talk about on cell phones, who talks on them. This is why so many Russian generals suddenly go boom in the night, because they're talking on unsecure cell phones.

We also have networks with our allies and partners and friends. We've got a lot of NATO intelligence that backs up what the United States provides. A lot of this comes through the headquarters I used to command, the Supreme Allied Commander's headquarters in Belgium. He's got forward intelligence positions. All of that comes together and gives the Ukrainians a real advantage on the battlefield they wouldn't otherwise enjoy.

And final thought, Brian. You said it earlier. This is an evil enemy, and we have to stop Vladimir Putin. And in that sense, this is the Best money we're ever going to spend, and no U.S. lives are being lost.

It's the Ukrainians who are bleeding. This makes sense. on a dollar for dollar basis to provide this aid, it'll crack the Russian war machine before this is all over.

So the one thing that this administration does not do is communicate. I can't tell you how many people because I firmly believe I see the big picture. I humbly not in your class, but I see the need for this is our national security interests. I don't see this ever coming out of the administration. I saw in passing, the Prime Minister of the UK said more positive things about the reason why we need to Ukraine needs to be successful in this conflict than we've heard over the last six months.

The one thing we learned about Ukraine and Afghanistan, the American people constantly need to know what is happening. Yeah, I'm not talking about selling or marketing. I'm talking about informing.

So when people say, why is it in our interest? Why aren't we focusing more on China? They don't understand, it hasn't been explained effectively, that a Russian win is a China win and a Russian loss is a China loss. And I'm not seeing that regularly. And I think we're just losing that.

For example, the China Belt and Road Program is an extortion program. Sell these people, build something these countries can't afford, and when they can't make the payments, you take it from them. That was a casual mention yesterday by the President. Why is that not mentioned every time we hear about China? I completely agree.

We have not done a good job, we, the United States of America, in communicating the threat from Russia, the increasing threat from China. We're not in a hot war situation over there yet, but certainly we see China going after our destroyers, after our aircraft. We are not communicating that properly. And you're right to point out this is where the American people have lost faith in our combat operations in Afghanistan, in Iraq, and going all the way back to Vietnam, frankly.

So we have work to do. I'll point your listeners to a very good piece of writing by a guy named Mark Thiessen. He used to be a speechwriter for Don Rumsfeld when I was Rumsfeld's military senior advisor. And Mark wrote a 10-point Description of why this is, why Ukraine is in our national security interest. It's a superb summary of everything you and I have just talked about, but your point is valid.

Why is that not coming out clearly, crisply, and constantly from the administration? Right. And the thing is, if you have a good argument, you want doubters, because that gives you an opportunity to explain yourself. Not necessarily to have to be a speech. Sit down with people that don't understand and try to persuade them by using facts.

And Mark Teason, I think he wrote the MAGA argument for the Ukraine operation. He was on, I think, yesterday or the day before, explaining that because now there's more and more Republicans who say, let's not be involved in foreign wars. And I think that's a lazy approach to this. 100% correct. And we don't have to imagine what it would be like if we just said, hey, we're not going to get involved.

We're just going to come home. Let's not ever be involved in these terrible foreign wars. We took that approach after World War I, brought all our troops home. Stayed away from the world, and how did that work out?

Well, you can drop a plumb line from that decision of isolationism to the Great Depression and ultimately, the Second World War. It is far better to be forward, conduct these operations, particularly like this one, where we are not losing U. S. lives, but we are providing a sensible amount of funding that is ultimately going to degrade one of our principal opponents in the world, and that's Vladimir Putin's Russia. What was it like working for Donald Rumsfeld every day?

It was exhausting, hardest boss ever because he was nineteen, twenty hours a day. It was inspirational because I've never been around someone who cared more about the country than Don Rumsfeld. And ultimately, Brian, for me, it was very educational. I saw how he could work the interagency, how he understood the levers of government. He'd been the Secretary of Defense twenty, thirty years previously.

In fact, he commissioned me out of Annapolis as an ensign, and he pinned a fourth star on my shoulders thirty years later. He had great longevity.

So entertaining, inspirational, educational, and pretty exhausting. You can ask Mark next time you're on with him. Did uh was he fair? Oh, totally. He was a clear-eyed realist, absolutely fair.

If you did not measure up, he told you. If you measured up and did well, he complimented you. He was extremely fair. I enjoyed being around him as hard as it was. It was a gold star education.

Yep. That's why you'd be a perfect Secretary of Defense for the next administration. I'm making sure everyone knows your resume. Admiral, thanks so much. Thanks, Brian.

See you soon. Bye-bye. You got it, 1-866-408-7669. I'm going to come back and take your calls. You'll listen to the Brian Kilmeat Show.

I have not even discussed the two biggest cases. What we found out yesterday about President Biden blew me away about that 1023, what the accusation was from a whistleblower and what they witnessed and how we benefited. And his response, I think, is telling. Then I was swamped when it was announced by OnTruth Social that the 45th President of the United States is going to be indicted on Tuesday. Wow.

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Well, what's different in this Trump case is the Trump case didn't have to happen because the Trump case could have been just like Vice President Pence and President Biden. If the government, the National Archives, asked for their documents back because they are the people, that's the entity to have them, well, open up your home, let people come in. Which they both did. Which they did. And so their retention of documents was purely negligent.

On the other hand, Donald Trump not only didn't let them in, but he returned things piecemeal, and then he absolutely decided to obstruct the investigation according to the government's allegation. There's nothing that he, according to the allegation, there's nothing that Ricky Kleiman of CBS, the legal analyst, said that which he just said was that inaccurate. And just to the short course. Is that the reason you broke 235 years of American history to indict a former president? Is that the reason?

That's the reason why you interviewed the pool boy, you get one of his lawyers to flip, you make them flip in particular, that you have to raid his house for these documents?

Well, there's no allegation that he was about to send sensitive documentation to Saudi Arabia. There was no allegation that he was about to give state secrets over to any entity. He wanted to hold on to him because he's Donald Trump. He's different than everybody else. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have, and you probably would have, just turned over the documents.

But. If you are looking for intent And looking for somebody who's looking to steal things. You don't get interns in blue blazers at 2 in the afternoon with hand trucks full of boxes of paperwork in full view of the world press on January 20th to bring these papers and these boxes onto a helicopter as you go home and transition power. I could get the video now. You could call it up.

Is that somebody looking to steal things?

So I'll give you the timeline. On the twentieth, Trump leaves the White House. On May 6th, the archive says, Wait a second, we're missing some paperwork, and they request the records. In December, Trump says you can come pick up these boxes, and he hands over 15 boxes. They thought it was 12.

He said it ended up being 15. They look through the boxes and they see 100 classified documents.

So they call back and say, What else do you have there?

So he says, well, no, that's it. Uh, we don't have EOS, we have some other stuff. We'll go through it, but I'm going to keep it.

So then the National Archives quickly goes to the Justice Department, it calls the FBI, and they open up a criminal investigation into the president. Right there, this thing is the wheels have come off. Wait a second. You have other boxes. Let me go down there.

I'm a librarian in Washington. That's what I am. By the way, they love Barack Obama. And then in M in April. They said, Hey, we look through the documents.

The FBI wants to come in there. And they come in there, they look around. They said, As we examine whether to take him or not, would you put a lock on the door and keep it there? And they say, Fine. Trump peeks his head in in May and says, Guys, anything you need, let me know.

You got it. On the twelfth, the Department of Justice sends Um uh since s uh since he Subpoena for everything that Trump has. On the 12th of May.

Next thing you know, they raid in August. And all hell is broken loose since. It's would I have the documents? No. Does Donald Trump want to do anything evil with it?

No. Did you just make the smallest situation the biggest situation? Yes. Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kill Me Show.

Hey, guess who's here? Choly Shimkis. And evidently, she forgot the rules of broadcasting. Wait to be introduced. Talking right through the break, just on the bump in.

Well, I was telling you that I'm now a golf person. Right, because I watched all the documents here. I just got to give you a proper introduction. Cole was the Foxy Prince first. You see her all over the channel.

And now she's back after a three-month hiatus to have a child. I did. It was four whole months. He's four months old. How'd you get the extra month?

Well, now you can take up to seven. Yeah, did you know that? It's not all fully paid. I had a year and a half off. A whole lot of time.

I wish they did it like that with twins, right? You know, that's a good idea. If you have twins, I think you should get double the time. Triplets? Triple Right.

Could you imagine having a trip? You might as well just defy Social Security. You'd be out forever. If anybody sent triplets out there, please call in and tell us how that triplets. Once you have one, they just keep coming.

You're there for like a like an hour. And just one kid at the end. And what if there's four in there and you just don't know? Right. It's always a surprise.

Um so how do we get off track like this? Yeah, sorry.

So You're back. And guess what else? You missed an indictment. You miss one indictment, you're here for the second. I know.

Even though I knew it was coming, you know the Georgia thing is going to be an indictment, too. When are you ever going to go? Yeah, I looked at it, I don't think so. That's supposed to happen in August. Right.

So, you're going to have three indictments. Yeah. And possibly four, because Jack Smith is looking into the January 6th stuff as well.

So, he's tackling both of those things. Right. And basically, when they flip a lawyer that works with you, now think about this: you have a lawyer, you tell them everything, her, everything, and you're saying to yourself, okay, well, how do I marshal a defense? Excuse me. It's Jack Smith.

We need to see you. because the lawyer has now become a witness against the client, which they say almost never happens. And why are you doing this? What is the end all? Are you trying to get John Gotti?

Or are you trying to stop Donald Trump from beating Joe Biden? Yes. That's the thing about this is that if you look at if you really think about it, I mean, w we know for a fact that Joe Biden mishandled classified documents.

So for his DOJ to then indict President Trump for the same thing is very stunning. And I think that the special counsel will probably say the same thing that Bill Barr has been saying: that it's not about the fact that he had these documents or even held on to them, it's the fact that he was unwilling to give them back, which is the obstruction charge. All of them back. Yeah, so we had Chris Swecker on Fox and Friends First, and I asked him about that because I think that that could be a legitimate difference between these two cases when you talk about Biden and Trump. And he said, well, Trump's team, as far as we know now, was still negotiating with the National Archives.

So can you really call that obstruction unless they have solid evidence that he squirreled documents away and was very unwilling or tried to hide giving those documents back, then there's going to be a bit of a stumbling block when it comes to the obstruction charge. All right.

So here's Jim Trustee joined us this morning. He's the best guest and the best lawyer that Trump could have. Best communicator. I watched him spar with Chuck Todd for a half hour, and Chuck Todd couldn't land the glove because he didn't know the cases well. And Jim Trustee's not going to get intimidated.

Actually, the first time I heard about him, Dana Perino said, About five years ago, if you ever need a lawyer, Jim Trustee used to work at the White House. The greatest guy, he was so nice to me. He would always unwind every complicated legal situation that was coming down, especially with the whole problem that Carl Rove had and Scura Libby had. He would always be saying, No, this is how you do it, and really helped me a lot. And now you see how good he is.

Here's Jim Trustee this morning talking about how this whole thing came down, Cut 13. There's this thing called the Presidential Records Act. It is precisely dealing with presidents and former presidents and basically saying, and DOJ agreed with this years ago in a case involving Bill Clinton, that the former president gets to decide what he keeps. He should work really closely with archives. They can ask him nicely.

If they get mad, they think he's holding on to too many things. They have a remedy called civil suits. There is no criminal penalty for violating the Presidential Records Act. It's a reflection of the fact that historically, before Nixon, they had completely unfettered rights to keep everything.

Now we're saying at least please work with archives so we can see some of the stuff you created while you're in the White House.

So that was the starting point. And that was him last night, I should say, with Laura Ingram. They joined us this morning.

So, the Presidential Records Act, they said, so they called up and they said. Can we have their stuff back? It was May. Oh, yeah. What do you need?

He goes, stuff.

So they gave him 15, but they said, I have 12 boxes. Come get him. And they did. When they showed up, it was 15 boxes. And then, when they said, We need to have any more, and he said, Yeah, I'd like to hold on to him.

They said, Well, do me a favor, lock him up. Put a lock on them, and then we're going to come back. And next thing you know, they want him to comply. They go, there's dissenting ideas about what took place after that. And the next thing you know, there's a raid in August.

And right there, when the archives call the Justice Department and the Justice Department goes, What a great idea. Let's take all our assets and raid Mar-a-Lago. What could possibly go wrong?

So I'm not saying that Trump caused the problem, didn't cause the problem for himself. Yeah. And do you need to play the perfect game because everybody scrutinizes you? Yes, you absolutely do. Especially after January 6th, yes.

But having said that, it doesn't make what we're witnessing here right and the assets and the money that's now got to be spent on this for everybody. And I think you can always make you can always just look at the flip side and what happened with Hillary Clinton as well, and deleting all of those emails. And she never faced an indictment. And they said that that wasn't, they weren't going to indict her essentially for the greater good of the country. And then this is really similar in the fact that you're talking about classified information and having it on a private server could arguably be even worse.

And an indictment comes down here.

So it just ends up looking very political. And that is why this indictment out of New York helped Trump on the campaign trail in his 2024 election bid. And this is going to bolster him as well. You even have the candidates, Rhonda Sanders. Posting a tweet saying, you know, they're slow walking this Hunter Biden thing.

It's taken four and a half weeks. Look at Hillary Clinton, what happened there. I'm sorry, four and a half years. What's going on there? This Hillary Clinton thing.

And then, in a matter of months, Trump gets an indictment. Right. It's just, you know, it this is the thing that even if the former president did do something wrong and didn't handle these documents well, other people have done the same thing and gotten treated differently. Yeah, it would be one of those things where, you know, it's a talking point. Why didn't Donald Trump just hand over those documents?

Next thing you know, why is he going to go to jail for a hundred years? And then you have Joe Biden with the documents next to the Corvette in a very unsecure location. And we just found out that that investigation is nowhere near completion. I wonder why. Yeah, why not?

Why is that? How long does it take to go through pages? Is there anything else? We're following up on things. No, is it classified or not?

And this happened over the course of decades.

So the other big story that was a huge story is the FBI in their battle to not give this 1023 form over to James Comer finally gave in after they offered a subpoena, turned into censure, and they was going to be put on contempt. Christopher A was going to give him contempt.

So they said, okay, the oversight committee can come, Republicans and Democrats, and check out. This document. This guy who walked up, who's a paid informant for the FBI, who's made over $200,000 in FBI legitimate fees, has great credibility, had this form filled out and said, Listen, I witnessed Joe Biden getting $5 million and also $5 million for Hunter when he was vice president. And why we know about this is this guy was so frustrated that his 2023 form that he filled out and his story that he told and risked his career for. Nothing was happening.

They referred it over to the Delaware, and nothing was happening.

So let's see. When he was VP, he allegedly was paid $5 million by an executive at Burisma, a gas company they listed as, but it's got to be Burisma. The FBI then generated that form. The form sits. The form dated June 30th, 2020, is the FBI's interview with the credible source.

The confidential source detailed multiple meetings they had with this top Parisma executive that talked about this. And Carly. What is June twenty twenty? Is the election yet? No.

Do you think that would have been useful or interesting for the voter to know what the vice president was up to before he became president? Yeah, absolutely. And James Comer even says that these. This conversation started in 2017, even all the way back then, because there are notes within this document that even though it's dated June 2020, there are notes that signal that conversations have been happening between this human source and the FBI dating three years prior.

So they've been sitting on this information. And then you have Jamie Raskins, who does the press conference a couple days ago. It really is unbelievable because he was in the same meeting as James Comer, and their takeaways were completely different. And he said that Bill Barr closed the case. There's no longer an investigation.

And then Bill Barr must have been just like astounded when he heard that on TV saying that's not what happened.

So he was on several shows, but with Martha McCallum yesterday in particular, and said, that's not what happened at all. I referred this case to Delaware, where the ongoing investigation into Hunter Biden was still taking place. This isn't case closed. But it is interesting to hear about the allegation in this 1023 document. And it is.

That this human source was having a conversation with a burisma executive, and he said, you know what, I'm going to give $5 million to Hunter, $5 million to Joe to get rid of the prosecutor that is investigating my company, the Burisma company, because I want to get into the oil industry in America, and it would be very hard to do that with this investigation hanging over our head.

So that's the allegation. Wow, it's amazing.

So, Jamie Raskin says, I stand by my statements 100%. We were told by the FBI that visited us on Monday that the Department of Justice team of prosecutors and FBI agents under Scott Brady, the U.S. Attorney, determined that there was no grounds to escalate their probe from an initial assessment of the allegation surfaced by Rudy Giuliani.

So when Bill Barr says, he says. He said that Rudy Giuliani isn't even a part of this. Yeah, Bill Barr has again disputed reputed claims by the oversight committee. Raskin said it's never been closed down.

So what he did is I think he probably got it out of his hair because he. He's going to look like he's going to bat for Trump if he's investigating Biden.

So he kicks it over, and this is what happens.

So just as that breaks. Out comes this story. But I want everyone to hear Joe Biden when confronted by a New York Post reporter. Listen to this, cut 24. Bribery allegation.

Congresswoman Nancy May says there's standing evidence in the FBI file that you sold out the country. Do you have a response to Congressional Republicans? Where's the money? I'm joking. Mr.

President, tonight's rather time to spin the bunch in the market. Yeah, I know. That is not the response you give if you are not worried about something. Absolutely. And it's a very interesting response considering James Comer has been saying that The money it the money according to him has been sc It's in all of these different bank accounts, and it's supposed it was made complicated for a reason because it would take decades to unwind.

So, if that's his first response, and again, this is just an allegation from a human source that was talking to somebody else.

So, we don't know if this is true or not. But if your first response is, Where's the money? And we know that there part of the allegation is that it was in a bunch of different bank accounts, then You could draw a conventional picture. Go find the money. And forensic accountants live for this.

So, game on. This is only one bank, by the way. Can you imagine the other bank with they were involved in 20 different banks? Can I ask a question? This could be really stupid to ask.

It's a genuine question. If you are laundering money. And you put it in all of these different bank accounts, then can you ever use that money? Or is it just sitting there?

Well, you have to find some creative way to get it. And one creative way, not really that creative, is to have grandchildren. And give it to those grandkids. You give it to those grandkids, and suddenly it looks like the grandkid bought you a or your son bought you a house. And I go back to that email with Hunter Biden talking to his daughter.

I pay for everything in this family. I will never do. to you what Pops does to me. Wow. Yeah.

Full circle. And it also is just, if you think about all that we've been talking about, and then President Biden's public persona and the The type of person that he wants to convey himself as blue-collar Joe. And I'm just a ho-hum guy who supports the union worker. And, you know, I grew up in a. A middle-class family, and my dad had all these anecdotes.

And then you think about, you know, possibly maybe, you know, laundering money, and I who knows, but it just seems very much different than the public persona. Yeah, let's keep pursuing it. Let's get to the bottom of it. And please don't tell me that Joe Biden knew nothing about this. He is very tapped in.

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So So that background was essentially what, Allison? He called up because PETA was giving him a problem. Yeah, PETA took the picture of him buying the dog, and they're like, adopt, don't chop. How dare you buy a dog? This is SNL's Pete Davidson.

Correct. Yes, SNL's Pete Davidson.

So then he called up PETA, the woman who put out the story and who was quoted in it, and left that voicemail for her. I mean, do you think it's true? I mean, what wouldn't be true about it? I mean, he only can only be around a certain dog. Oh, yeah.

He's probably allergic, maybe this one specific breed. No, but I mean, if you're have an allergy, you do need a hypoallergenic dog. That is hilarious. He said that he regrets You know, all the cursing and being so aggressive during the voicemail. I think it's kind of funny though.

How did it get leaked out? And either he did it or they did it. They did it. Maybe they did it, but I don't know. I think it's funny.

I would never do it. How unbelievable is it that he bought a barge? A ferry from the 1960s he had retired, and he said he was really drunk and high, yeah, and he regrets it. He spent two hundred sixty-five thousand dollars, him and Colin Jose. He said, Yeah, I should never have bought it, it's been a problem.

So, this boat is just it has an owner and it's just floating somewhere, and he hasn't done anything with it. But he wanted to buy it, it's an actual club.

Well, it's kind of sweet because they're both from Staten Island, so they would always take the ferry to go to school. And so, I guess they were reminiscing when they were together, and then they were like, Let's buy that ferry that we always used to take. And they were going to turn it into a bar, which, if you look at it, it could be an incredible venue, but then I you find out that it's like there's roaches in it, and just it's disgusting and dilapidated, and it's going to take a lot of money to fix, right? Yeah, and then I don't know if you're going to get your return on that investment, right? But just admitting that you were drunk and high when you got it, yeah, uh, also, probably Colin Jose is probably not a great person to be a partners with, I don't know, right.

Yeah, who knows who the person that led the charge on this one was, but he said that he regrets it 'cause it's you know three hundred dollar three hundred thousand dollars down the drain. I wonder how rich you have to be for that not to be painful. That amount of obviously he does not because it sounded painful when he was talking about it. Do you are you on another show today? No, this is it, and then I'm gonna go home and squeeze my baby.

Right, and so you're going to raise them. Raise your kids. I will raise them. Are you going to be a hands-on parent? Oh, no, I thought you were going to do that.

Right, that's true. I should be responsible. Are you going to be a hands-on parent? Of course. Imagine if I said no.

No, I think I'll just let someone else. Because there's a story out there today that helicopter parents are even following kids into their jobs. They follow it in, they make sure they get settled. Don't do that. This whole new trend with this generation, you wouldn't be like that.

No, I'm not going to be able to do that. When they go to internships, you're going to go. A happy medium, yes. Right. Raise them right and then let them soar.

You let them play a sport, and if the coach benches them, what do you do? What if the coach doesn't like them? Knock that coach out. That's the problem. We have to talk about that.

Violence. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Bryant Kill Meet Show.

What a week we are having. We're from 48th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan, where the air is terrible. Really, no joke. The worst, at one point yesterday, they said we had the worst air in the world, and blame Canada. The whole northeast sea border.

And if you're listening around the country or you're listening to Florida, you're saying who cares? I'm just telling you, once again, we're getting flashbacks are saying, don't go outdoors, wear a mask. I mean, it's nuts. But again, you can't even blame us, blame Canada. They have a bunch of fires.

They don't have enough firemen. And they don't take care of their forests. And this was supposedly something that was telegraphed. Andy McCarthy at the bottom of the hour.

So much going on. Let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. The attack began last week, and this is going to be, it's going to take weeks, not days. It's unfolding slowly. None of that surprises us.

Ukrainians don't talk much about this.

So they're going to keep this pretty close to their chest. Yep, let the counteroffensive begin. Finally, Ukraine launches their multifaceted, multi-front fight to get their country back. 17% owned by the Russians. Let's knock them out.

So far, it's been a bloody, brutal battle. Number two. Where's the money? I'm joking. Mr.

President, we've got to a bunch of more. Yeah, it's unbelievable. That's President Biden. Great question, Joe. Explosive, where is the money?

And damning, that's what Republicans are saying, who were given access to see the documents which reportedly show that Joe and Hunter were getting five million each from a gas company. Ukrainian. Number one. But it's called election interference. They're trying to destroy a reputation so they can win an election.

So I just want to tell you, I'm an innocent man. I did nothing wrong. It's a joke. That is President Trump on Truth Social, indictment number two, just as expected. This one more serious, polarizing, and explosive.

The former president and current Republican frontrunner will be arraigned on Tuesday. We will look at the charges and Trump's plan on defense in court and offense on the campaign. Look, he's going to bring it up. It's going to help him short term, but long term, indictments don't help. You can't convince me it does.

And what exactly are they saying? It looks like it's seven counts. They're going to talk about obstruction. They're going to talk about infringement. Uh what else could they talk about?

Taking classified documents, violation of the Espionage Act, uh the uh conspiracy, illegal retention of classified documents, all this stuff, totally preventable. Do I think he should have taken the documents? No. Do I think that he was up to something no good? No, I don't.

And I think what he's saying to himself: listen, these are mine. I'm president. I should be still be president. And I don't want to be pushed around by a bunch of librarians in the archives.

So, when that happens, he should have just given it all up. It would have been no problem. Instead, it ends up being a long out now an indictment on Miami.

Now, what are some things that could happen? He could actually go to court, go to trial next year and win, and then he'd just be on rocket fuel. But by that time, the campaign will be over. Or if he's guilty, he could just pardon himself. Does this court case keep going?

Yo, Jim Trustee was just telling us he's the lead attorney this shouldn't even be in court. Here's Jonathan Turley on the announcement and the analysis of how this happened and what the President's up against, Cut Six. This is one first that I hope most people regret, even if you feel that it's warranted. It's surprising because Merrick Arland had a decision to make here, not just whether there was evidence to indict, but whether that served the interest of justice.

So we have to see what's in this indictment. Yeah, well let's see. We don't know. But I give Trump credit. When he heard the indictment was coming down, within an hour, he just hopped on Truth Social and made the announcement.

Now they are flooding Miami courts with security because Florida is very Trump-friendly. Ask anybody.

So, do you think that when Trump gets out, it's going to be like New York, a quick walk? No. It's a longer walk, and it's a lot to secure. And I'm not saying anyone should go down there and wreak havoc by a long shot. But a lot of people are going to want to show the president's support and are upset this is even happening.

Now, for people that think it's a good move, That Trump's being indicted. There's a lot. Like on every channel, on every panel, on every station, not Fox. Here is what Ricky Kleiman said, a CBS legal analyst, cut five.

Well, what's different in this Trump case is the Trump case didn't have to happen because the Trump case could have been just like Vice President Pence and President Biden. If the government, the National Archives, asked for their documents back because they are the people, that's the entity to have them.

Well, open up your home. Let people come in. Which they both did. Which they did. And so their retention of documents was purely negligent.

On the other hand, Donald Trump not only didn't let them in, but he returned things piecemeal, and then he absolutely decided to obstruct the investigation according to the government's allegations.

So that's what they're saying. When he handed over 12 years, he said, come over in February, come get the box. He said, all right. I got 12.

Okay. He said, No, I found some more. There's 15. When they looked through the boxes, they found about 100 classified documents. And they said, Look, are you sure you have everything you need down there?

You know, you have given up everything.

So we'll come down and check. They come down, set up a meeting.

Meanwhile, Archives goes and narcs on them. They go, Call the FBI, call the DOJ. And instead of Merrick Garland saying, The last thing I need is to get involved with the FBI, who's already distrusted by the right wing of the country for a very good reason after the whole mess with Russia, the last thing I need is to look political by going after the former president. But instead he six the FBI. They do a huge raid, many against their will.

And they do it anyway. They don't even form the local FBI branch there. And they go and come out with some documents. They throw them on the floor, take a picture to show that the president had documents he shouldn't have had. And now, ever since then, they've been on the path towards a grand jury.

The grand jury says, Yeah, I'd indict them.

Now, we don't know the details yet, but Bill Barr, the Attorney General, he believes this is not a witch hunt. He believes this is legitimate. Cut aid. Based on the facts, as the facts come out, I think over time people will see that this is not a case of the Department of Justice conducting a witch hunt. In fact, they approached this very delicately and with deference to the President.

And this would have gone nowhere had the President just returned the documents. But he jerked them around for a year and a half. And the question is, did he deceive them? And if there's evidence of that, I think people will start to see that this says more about Trump than it does the Department of Justice. You're never going to convince me that this is worth it.

And there's a reason why no other former president has been arrested like this, now indicted twice.

Now you're going to be fingerprinted. I'm sure there might even be a mugshot put out there. You tell me that that's good for the country? I'll never believe it.

So Jim Trustee said this, going against Bill Barr. He thinks Bill Barr is way off on this. He said this. This cut 10.

Well, we don't have the actual indictment yet. I suppose they'll give that to us at some point between now and Tuesday afternoon. Maybe they're too embarrassed to give it to us early, I don't know. But uh it's a combination of theoretical charges. Again, we just have a summary.

We don't have the indictment in front of us, but it looks like uh the Espionage Act, which is kind of laughable on its face. Um several types of obstruction and conspiracy and then false statements.

So trustee, I hope the hope should head up the legal team. What I did hear is that Trump's got so many different attorneys from different walks of life and just different expertise that they fight with each other or they don't communicate at all. And they said the whole thing with the New York office, the New York trial, the woman accusing him of rape, but didn't remember the year. And then she came out and ended up winning $2 million. But they said, yeah, you didn't rape her.

Well, was he even there? Did you even prove he was there? They said they had almost no meetings before that trial. Joe Takapina went in there like a guy with a heavy New York accent that comes off a little aggressive. I'm not sure that that's the best tactic to try to get sympathy from a jury while questioning a woman who says she was raped.

Even if she totally made it up, you could easily look like a bully. And then finding out there was almost no preparation for any of that. or at least group think and styles and you debate strategies. find that unbelievable. But what I've also found Noteworthy is that Chris Christie says I need to see the charges.

You have Ron DeSantis when it comes to Trump saying there's two different paths. Paths when it comes to justice. There's no equality in front of the law. Republicans have it worse. He says, I'm going to pardon, indicated he'll pardon Trump as soon as he gets in there if, in fact, he wins.

And then Tim Scott went in last night, cut 16. And what we've seen over the last several years is the weaponization of the Department of Justice against the former president. You don't have to be a Republican to see injustice and want to fix it. You don't have to be a Democrat to see injustice and want to fix it. You just have to be an American and stand up for the right thing.

I don't care whether you're in my party or not in my party. I don't care whether you look like me or not. The one thing that makes America the city on the hill is confidence in our justice system. And today, what we see is a justice system where the scales are weighted. And that is a man that wants to beat Trump for the nomination.

And he's not the only person who said this should disqualify him is Asia Hutchinson. What it does in the short term, I think it definitely helps Trump. He's able to go out there and say, look, they're indicting me over documents. You've got to be kidding. I gave him fifteen boxes.

You got to be can't be serious. But overall, going to court, being pulled off the Being pulled off the trail, having those days when the prosecution gets to give their case. Let alone a possible conviction. I don't think it helps them at all. And if you want to say, we don't need the chaos as a country, nominate me.

This is an example of the chaos.

So you do have a storyline, but in the short term, even his opponents, Vivek says, I win, I exonerate the President. Foreign President. We'll see about the current president.

So, I want you to get your, I know you have a lot to say.

So, before you start your weekend, 1-866-408-7669. And at the bottom of the arrow, we talk to Andy McCarthy and we get into the nuts and bolts of the case. You'll listen to the Brian Kilmead Show. Expanding your knowledge base. It's the Brian Kill Meat Show.

A talk show that's real. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. There are two reports today suggesting that the Chinese have a new agreement with Cuba to set up a listening post in Cuba. Are those reports accurate? Uh what is the extent Is there a new listening post in Cuba that affects the United States?

Yes. So I've seen that reporting. I can tell you based on the information that we have that, that is not accurate, that we are not aware of China and Cuba developing any type of spy stations.

Well, we'll see if that ends up panning out, but evidently the Wall Street Journal has got a great source that they paid Cuba a ton of money to set up a spy station right in their country. Why wouldn't they? They're in Venezuela, they're in Brazil. Why wouldn't they go to a poor country, give them money and then set up something that's going to compromise our security? Why wouldn't China do that?

It's totally logical. And that's a big story this week. Look what they're doing. They stormed our base over in Alaska. They're going after our fighter jets, our destroyers, trying to head off and humiliate us, and we have not taken the bull by the horns.

Rock, listen on WNIS in beautiful Virginia Beach. Hey, Rock. Hey, hey, Brian. Man, I'm listening for what you're talking about. I'm seeing this indictment.

It's really funny it's happening right now. in the e when everyone's ramping up for an election, man. RussiaGate turned out to be a lie. Hunter Biden laptop turned out to be real. The P-tape was a lie, and it goes on and on.

The Chinese spy bloom that they never saw.

So when they say there's not a A Chinese spy station in Cuba. I don't believe them. And at this point, They've been caught so many times not telling the truth. It's kind of hard for me to believe anything they say. And it's tough for me, man, because.

Um I've been involved with the government pretty much my entire adult life, and it's really. There's really upsettings. That they can't tell you the truth on anything. I know it's not everyone, but the ones that pull the strings, the ones with the real power. It it seems like There really is a disparity before what they'll do for Biden.

They didn't throw pictures on the ground and take pictures of it and then go run and leak it to the press. And my deal is if that was real And it had anything to it. And you were seriously trying to get them, the press is the last people who should have seen it. You should have put it before a jury. I know.

in a real court of law, and the only people who could have saw that would have been the jury. And the FBI agents who were. And by the way, that's not the way they found him. They threw it on the floor and set it up like that. They made it seem at first that this is where Trump's office was, full of classified documents.

No, they found the documents. They put them on the floor. They took a picture and said, see, no, the FBI is raiding his house. Didn't even tell the local bureau that they were there at 2 o'clock in the afternoon to get documents. There's no emergency.

There's no allegation that they were about to sell them to Iran or Saudi Arabia for money.

Meanwhile, Thanks so much for the call.

Meanwhile, this is what Trump posted, page one of True Social. He said the Corrupt Biden administration has informed my attorneys I have been indicted, seemingly over the boxes, the box hoax, even though the Bidens have 850 boxes at the University of Delaware, additional boxes in Chinatown, with even more boxes at Pennsylvania and the University of, and documents strewn all over the garage floor where he parks his Corvette, and which is secured by only a garage door that is paper thin and open much of the time. Very true. Linda, WDBO. Hey, Linda.

Hi. It's about the the documents. Is there any knowledge of what those documents are? Because hypothetically speaking, if they had something to do with the FBI collusion against Trump, I mean, if I were Trump, I'd probably try and keep a hold, keep them in my possession for as long as possible, because that would be evidence and who knows what would happen to it when the FBI or even the archives get it back. Yeah, I hear you.

The FBI, I think, has got some huge, huge issues now with the American public. I just say the FBI, and I heard there was resentment and pushback. When the DOJ says, yeah, go down to Mar-a-Lago and just grab the stuff. There was evidently pushback saying, Really? After everything that just took place with Mueller, with McCabe, with Strzzok, with Page, all these other people, you actually want to put me back in the middle of this controversy and hurt the Bureau?

Christopher Ray should have stood up. I know technically they work for the DOJ, but if you stand up and say, I'm not raiding, We're going to work out something. We're all going to go down. If it's real classified, you decide if they're going to press charges. Let's go to Conning List on W D B O.

Hey on you. Hi, Brian. I hear you say several times that people are getting tired of it, the country's getting tired, and we are. But I will tell you this, if we ever get another Republican President, it isn't going to end there. They're going to go after him just like they went after Trump and his family and friends and probably even his gardener.

The only difference is that Donald Trump can take it, and he's taking it for us. And I think we need to stand behind him. I think this has got to end. But the Democrats now, boy, they got a taste of what it's like.

Well, who's your number two pick, if not Trump? I would probably have to go with um DeSantis 'cause I'm in Florida. He makes a good governor, but you know, I've seen just recently some uh snippets of him being confronted in a negative manner and he just he just turns into uh like a little boy. And I wasn't very thrilled with that. But yeah, I would have to say him.

But I am voting for Trump 2024 all the way. All right.

People usually go for DeSantis if they're tired of the drama, but you are not. Robert, listen real quick on WDBO. Hey, Robert. Hey, how are you doing, Brian? Good.

I'm a retired Army Ranger. I spent my whole 20 years there, and then I worked overseas in the mercenary type role. And I'll tell you what, what I'm seeing right now, the hypocrisy of what's going on with the indictment. This is crazy. I've got a bunch of friends and A lot of people out there are so upset.

This made format a revolution. I tell you, they don't realize the fire they're playing with. People are upset. They really are. And this isn't worthy.

Look, like I said, if I'm Trump, I'm trying to play the perfect game, Robert, right? I would not be doing this. But having said that, this is not worthy of breaking tradition and our past and indicting somebody for having these documents. We'll hear more about the case. We'll hear more about some documents that were there, but you have to understand the client.

The guy that's going to be in charge is a guy that doesn't even read his briefs or even wants to start a library. He just wants them as trophies. A radio show like no other. It's Brian Killmead. but it's called election interference.

They're trying to destroy a reputation so they can win an election.

That's just as bad as doing any of the other things that have been done over the last number of years and especially during the 2020 election.

So I just want to tell you, I'm an innocent man. I did nothing wrong. Okay, case closed. Andy McCarthy, that's your client, Fox News contributor, former Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, author of A Ball of Collusion, and he was one of the first to point out what a joke and what a hoax the whole Russia and Mueller investigation was.

Andy, I'm surprised we're here right now. Are you? No, it won't. I'm not surprised, Brian, since it I think I wrote in September, not all that long after the um After the search warrant at Mar-a-Longo, that it was a virtual certainty that Trump was going to be indicted. And the reason for that is it just seemed that the The investigators and the prosecutors at the Justice Department, this was months before, this, I guess, two or three months before.

Jack Smith was appointed. they were doing all the things that you would do and only do if you were serious about making a case, like giving people immunity and the way they were scorching the earth to get evidence.

So, I don't think I could be surprised that it hits you like a bolt when it finally happens because it's so historically surreal. But I did kind of think this was coming to the last number of months. But as I look at the timeline and go through it, knowing the document case and knowing that there's no Iran is about to get a secret battle plan from Trump for $2 million if we don't act right now. But instead, you have somebody in full view with interns and blazers loading up a chopper on January 20th with these documents. The archives a few months later realizes some of them belong back with them.

They ask for them. They get 15 boxes back. They want more. They saw classified documents. One thing leads to another.

They're negotiating back and forth, at least the Trump camp was. And all of a sudden, you end up with a raid and now in an indictment. Do you think it's worth from what you know of the timeline? Was this worthy of a raid?

Well, I guess the only way you can answer that is to say what was their alternative. And I think that's a serious question, by the way, that I think the FBI, for all the attacks on the FBI, which are there's a lot of worthy attacks to be made on the FBI. But in this particular instance, Brian, It seems to me that the Justice Department was pushing for the search warrant. And the FBI, which is the subordinate, so the Justice Department calls the tune on this, but the FBI had a middle position. where they wanted to do kind of what happened with Biden after His classified information, Woes got revealed, which was the FBI wanted to do a search at Mar-a-Lago.

but they wanted to ask President Trump for permission to do it rather than do it by in stealth by a search warrant. And they thought that as a middle position, that would be The quandary the prosecutors had was, you know, look, We gave this guy a grand jury subpoena. And he didn't comply with it. He what they're going to say is that he lied to the grand jury. He told us that he had given us everything back that he had, and he didn't.

Um So they were saying since the since The Grand jury subpoena would have allowed him to do his own search and turn it over to us, and he wouldn't do that, then we have to go in and take it. And I think what the Bureau's position was Was, well, let's not escalate to that yet. Can't we just go to him and ask him, can we have permission to search? And then if he says no, then you can at that point say, Look, we've done everything we could. We've been as reasonable as we could, but now we have to get the court involved.

But they didn't try to do that. Right. And especially knowing that the FBI, the Mueller report, the problem with the FBI is having with the reputation as the right wing views them and he or I would say Republicans view them.

So here's what Jim Trustee said about the whole thing, CUP 13. There's this thing called the Presidential Records Act. It is precisely dealing with presidents and former presidents and basically saying, and DOJ agreed with this years ago in a case involving Bill Clinton. That the former president gets to decide what he keeps. He should work really closely with archives.

They can ask him nicely. If they get mad, they think he's holding on to too many things. They have a remedy called civil suits. There is no criminal penalty for violating the Presidential Records Act. It's a reflection of the fact that historically, before Nixon, they had completely unfettered rights to keep everything.

Now we're saying at least please work with archives so we can see some of the stuff you created while you're in the White House.

So that was the starting point. So is he wrong? Yes, I think so. And I have a lot of respect for Jim. He's a very good lawyer.

But I I'd say two things about that. First of all, I've read the case that he's talking about. And the issue in that case was whether while he was president President Clinton had the right to take something that not was not an agency report. It was something he himself had created with a historian that he was trying to do an oral history of the Clinton administration. These recordings, which were not classified, Could he, while he was President, designate them as personal property rather than presidential records?

The difference here is that There's no evidence that President Trump Designated the stuff that he took with him to Mar-a-Lago as personal property. Even if he was still president? Pardon me? When he got to Mar-a-Lago, he was still president. Yeah, but that doesn't mean that he designated you have to go through.

The documents under the Presidential Records Act and designate them as. personal property. That's what Clinton did with these recordings while he was still in office. What Trump is now saying is that because he kept them That means they were personal property, but their agency reports they're not personal property. It's clear that they're not personal property.

So and the other thing is what Jim suggests is that he's saying all we needed was for the government agencies to work with them. The National Archives started trying to work with Trump on this stuff in February of twenty twenty one. they pleaded with him to give it back to them. The only reason he sent them the boxes in January of twenty twenty two is because they threatened to go to the oversight committee that was run by Democrats in Congress saying to him, look, if you're not going to give it to us voluntarily, then we have to get Congress involved. And it was at that point that Trump sent them fifteen boxes.

But they were trying to work with him. Trump just didn't want to work with them because he regarded this as his stuff. And you're quite right to talk about like the You know, the Nixon era. The law got changed in the Watergate era. It used to be that at least the personal property that was generated during a presidential administration was the president's own property.

Um We changed that, or Congress changed that, with the Presidential Records Act, so that everything. is implicitly government property. You know, I know Trump doesn't like that. I'm, you know, I'm this way or that way about it, but the fact is, it's the law. I I just I'm not that sympathetic to those arguments.

I am sympathetic to the argument that Um He's being singled out for prosecution For things that other people have been given a pass on, but I don't think his interpretation of what he did with the records. See, it's to me it's degree. To the degree of everything. It's all shoot, you're taking the records? No.

You know, we give him up. He gave 15 boxes.

Okay, I was going to give him rest.

Well, you told me to lock him up and put him away.

Okay. And then you came by and you said you gave everything.

Well, I thought I did.

Okay. All this stuff. Does it does it does it amount to 100 years in prison? I mean, if these seven charges are true at 25, 10, 20 years, 20 years, 20 years, is that really why you want to break a precedent in American history and indict a candidate for president who was president? Is that, I mean, was I speeding?

Yes. Do I deserve to go to jail for life? Yes, well, you violated the law, so and I told you not to speed, and you did anyway. To me, the whole thing is just on God on such a scale, it almost is it if you're fi you're actually living up to an agenda and I found I found my in. And you did we're speeding, and I'm gonna go indict on this.

Now, one thing they're trying to find out is obstruction, right? Having the records is probably not enough, but obstruction is. Evidently, CNN, shocker, and they say that Jack Smith runs a tight ship. CNN has a transcript of the tape that Trump has that was recorded for Mark Meadows' book that he was writing.

So here's this. Here's a little of what's in that transcript. It's the number one story right now on a few websites. He goes on to say, all sorts of stuff, pages long. Look, wait a minute, let's see here.

I just found, isn't this amazing? This totally wins my case. And I want to note here, his case he's referring to here is this dispute with Millie, not the current pending criminal investigation. Except it is like highly confidential. Secret.

This is secret information. Look, look at this. I will note that secret and confidential are both, of course, levels of classification. And then, arguably, the most damning quote he says, he asks if he, someone in the room, if he can declassify it. And then he says, as president, I could have declassified, but now I can't.

And of course, that last quote, undercutting all of the public arguments that he, his allies, and his attorneys have made about how he was able to declassify things once he left office, or that he may have even had a standing declassification order to declassify any materials in his possession before he left office. But in terms of the investigation, prosecutors are likely going to be most interested in the fact. That he is claiming to have retained secret information and is appearing to try to share that with a room full of people, none of whom had security clearances. What's your reaction to that?

Well, I'm going to say the same thing I've been saying all along, Brian, which is I've always thought the declassification thing was a red herring. Because The Espionage Act doesn't talk about classified information.

So as I've said about a million times, Even if you believe that Trump declassified documents. Um as to which there's no evidence other than his say so that he did. It would not be a defense either to a charge of obstruction or to a charge under the Espionage Act, because the Espionage Act talks about national defense information, not classified information.

So the only thing this tape does is basically blow up a a storyline that Trump has been repeating a number of times that was never a defense in the first place.

So I don't think it's really either here or there as far as, you know. Should this case have been brought and is he guilty? Because the issue was never declassification. That was kind of a diversionary tactic that Trump was using to try to distinguish himself from Biden. because he had authority to declassify things, whereas Biden didn't when he ill with respect to the uh To the illegal okay, so what is your main problem with what Trump did?

Well, I think you know, first of all, my uh my personal problem with it is Um As somebody who feels strongly and worked for a long time in national security, Um I don't understand why he didn't just give the documents back. That doesn't make any sense to me. He's got, like, You know, 300 at least. And that's separate documents. We're talking about hundreds of pages.

of classified intelligence. They wanted it back. They asked him like pretty please eight zillion times and he wouldn't give it back to them. I don't understand that for the life of me. And it was irresponsible for him to have it down there.

And it was ridiculous to have him have him have it down there when they were asking for it back and not to give it back to them.

So I don't get that. I think A much bigger problem Than Andy McCarthy's view of how he should handle classified information for the former president. is the obstruction case Because what Smith is going to say is that when they gave the sworn statement To the FBI for transmission to the grand jury on june third of twenty twenty two. That the thirty-eight documents they were returning that day were the only ones with classification markings that were in Trump's possession. What he's going to argue is, Trump knew that that wasn't true.

And he was causing false information under oath to be provided to the grand jury. And the problem the former President has with that is that unlike everything else in the case, where he's clearly been singled out. Anyone in America who made a false statement under oath in writing to the grand jury. Would get prosecuted for that. It's going to be very hard for him to argue that he's being singled out with respect to that.

That's uh really so I don't know. Um I'm watching these people. Like, I mean, if you talk about two standards of justice. don't you feel as though you're looking at somebody's if you're looking at Hillary Clinton as a precedent when someone asks her to give back or give over all the information and her IT guy never does it and never I don't think he answered a subpoena, if I'm correctly, or a request for a testimony, and then she smashes her devices that has the top secret intelligence on it? Is that any different than thirty eight as opposed to, let's say, thirty nine documents?

Brian, I I argued as hard as I could argue that Hillary Clinton should be prosecuted. After she wasn't prosecuted, I argued that the Congress Should impeach her anyway. And I was, people threw stuff at me when I said that because they said she's out of office, she can't be impeached. Apparently, that rule didn't apply for very long either. But yes, I think my view of the Hillary Clinton precedent is that it was an atrocious decision not to prosecute her.

I don't think I've never thought that making the first atrocious decision Requires you to make the next logical atrocious decision. And to my mind, in terms of two tiers of justice. I think Biden should be prosecuted for his classified information violation. I thought Petraeus should have been prosecuted with a felony instead of getting a misdemeanor. I mean, right now we find out he's got thousands of pages.

They said they're not close to wrapping up his investigation. Is that plausible? You can wrap up Trump, but you can't wrap up Biden? Brian, it's obvious that what they're trying to do is bury all the Biden stuff. It's not just the classified information, it's all the Evidence of his family's self-dealing and influence peddling.

What they're doing is burying. The Biden cases, they're not taking any action, and they're going to say, oops, the statute of limitations ran.

Sorry about that. Yeah, gonna wait for him to celebrate his ninetieth birthday and they're gonna go leave the old guy alone. Andy McCarthy, thanks so much. It's a fascinating time. I appreciate it.

1-8-6-6-408-7669. We're all over the board, all over the country. I'm going to get to some calls when we come back. Don't move. Brian, Kilmeicho.

The more you listen, the more you'll know it's Brian Killmead. Hey, we are back. Let's go out again. Virginia Beach, WNIS. Hank.

Hey, Hank. Hey, don't hang over, buddy. Good, which on your mind? I just think there's a lot less axes to grind. I mean, Merrick Garland was.

It was trying to put him on the Supreme Court and I know he was blocked. And I just think that he doesn't like Trump big time. And I just think that has a lot to do with it as well because he had the power just to. Just to get rid of this and squash it, but now they're going after 'em. It's unbelievable.

Like, why would you want this? I mean, to me, this makes this further divides the country. It makes it harder to govern. And if Biden thinks that this helps him against Trump or hurts him against Trump, all it does is create controversy. It actually galvanizes people around Trump temporarily.

But it also, all the Republicans have to do that are running against Trump is say, yeah, I'm going to win. And I'm gonna I'm going to pardon him right away.

So, for those people that want Trump elected. And Joe Biden reportedly thinks he can beat Trump easy. He's traveling by about six points in the latest poll nationally. I know you've got to win state by state. But he's hurting so badly and performing so terribly, I doubt that's going to happen.

So to me, Merrick Garland should have said absolutely, I don't like the way he's acting. I need those documents back, but I'm not going to prosecute a former president for the first time in history on documents. You know, and people say, Well, why'd you take like what you say that a lot with Donald Trump, but there's not much behind it. A lot of times it's just him saying, I can. Plus, I don't know if you noticed, he was a little ticked off about how the last election ended.

From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kelmead. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kill Me Joe. Coming to you from 48th and 6th in Middown Manhattan, where they tell me not to go outside.

And it's just going to be bad thanks to Canada. Bad air quality for the next few months. I'm sure it won't hinder us at all. We're kind of used to that. Why not?

Why not keep the kids off from school? Oh, yeah, they did that already. Why not stop the Yankee game? They tried that. They played a doubleheader anyway.

Since Aaron Judge is hurt, that it's okay for the Yankees to inhale some bad air. Sandra Smith at the bottom of the hour, fresh off her show, filling in for a hammer and getting set to do hers. There's so much going on right now. We're going to try to keep you up to date.

So we do know that the counteroffensive has started in Ukraine. It's been tough sledding for the Ukrainians, and that blowing up of that dam has hurt the Russians, but most of all, it slowed down the Ukrainians who wanted to finish off Kherson and get the rest of it back. We'll keep you up to date on that.

Meanwhile, major moves when it comes to the investigation on Joe Biden, but the biggest story is the indictment. Of Donald Trump. The affair will officially be done on Tuesday. It'll be in Miami, Florida, at which time I understand security is already mobilizing to get that courthouse ready. New York, it's kind of easy.

Washington, they're used to it. Not like this in Miami.

Now, I think Trump should be careful not to say, everybody come on down and rally. We don't want January 6, too. But a lot of people are going to want to go to Florida, go to Miami, and show some support because they're really upset by this.

So much for bringing the country together. Let's find out what Shannon Bream thinks. She's getting set to host Fox News Sunday, which is going to be starting on Sunday in the morning. Check your local listings. Shannon, welcome.

We're not surprised by the indictment, but are you surprised about the timing? It's quicker than I thought, but that happened as well with the New York City indictment with DA Alvin Bragg. We kind of thought there was more time, there was more investigating, more witnesses, more stuff to do. And so, yeah, when this thing broke last night, I thought, huh, listen, we've been watching closely. And, you know, it comes on the same day that you finally had President Biden take a question, sort of, about FBI allegations involving him, about involving Hunter.

And so. Um, you know, there are there are good skeptics out there who wonder about that timing. I wonder too, when you look at the timeline of how this all took place. On the 20th, Trump leaves the White House in full view with all these boxes. On May 6th, the archive says: you know what, we need some of these records back.

And they start negotiating. In December, Trump says, Yeah, come cut 12 boxes. When they show up, it's actually 15 boxes.

So in January, they finally leave with 15 boxes.

Some have classified material, which spurred them to say, Do you have any more? He says, Well, let's talk about that. I can keep what I have here.

So then NARA then turns around the archives, turns around and calls the DOJ, and basically says, I can't get all my. all the uh the uh paperwork I w need back from the President. Who turns around and they said to the FBI, why don't you start investigating? The FBI goes in April. In April comes out, they said they have 100 classified documents.

There, they have classified markings on them. Can you give the rest back?

So they start negotiating on it. By August, there's a raid. The FBI is told by the Department of Justice to go raid Mar-a-Lago and just grab everything. What happened? Pictures taken, some documents thrown on the floor.

Makes it seem like Trump left a messy office with classified documents everywhere that was done for the press. And now there's been a full investigation. Jack Smith gets pulled out of work at The Hague to become a special prosecutor on that on January 6th, and it resulted in seven indictments that could land the president in jail for 200 years.

So what stands out about this process, what stands out to you as something that should be examined? View.

Well Listen, Jim Trustee, one of the former president's top attorneys, says he has evidence of misconduct that has actually happened and that that's why they went to the DOJ and had this meeting a few days ago.

So listen, he's exclusively with us on Sunday morning, and I'm really interested to see if he'll tell us more about that. I mean, he's made some allegations about an attorney who was involved with somebody else in the case that there may have been sort of pressure on him. Do you really want this judicial appointment? Then you've got to flip on President Trump. I mean, he's made some really serious allegations that I think we need to learn more about.

So I think there's a lot there. But listen, the DOJ knows the optics are tricky for them because the first thing people say is, what about President Biden and his handling of documents? What about Vice President Pence? What about his handling of documents? The Biden, that investigation's got its own special counsel and that is proceeding.

There are multiple locations involved. And so I can't wait to get my hands on the actual indictment in this case. It's not unsealed yet in the Trump case.

So we know exactly how they've worded this and exactly which statutory provisions they're citing because they're going to have to be careful about those statutory citations because they could be a match to the Biden case as well. And then they're going to have to ask questions if or answer questions if they don't you don't come down with an indictment in that case.

So I asked Jim Trustee this this morning about when you went to Jack Smith a couple of days ago with a couple of other attorneys. What was the conversation like? Listen. Yes, I can definitely do the first part. Second part gets a little trickier.

But look, and good morning, guys. Thanks for having me on. We came at this from a perspective as we shadowed this investigation That there is no reason in God's green earth that anyone should trust the information bubbling up from the special counsel's office to the attorney general. And under the special counsel statute, it's still the attorney general that controls the ultimate decisions here. It's not Jack Smith.

Well, what we've run into through the course of trying to have meetings is an attorney general that's hiding behind Jack Smith, pretending that he's not the ultimate decision maker. And what we wanted to do is say, look, we have uncovered significant misconduct. There's substantive defenses that are fantastic. You know, Mark Levin could rattle them off better than me, but the Presidential Records Act means this entire thing is not in a criminal setting. That's a statutory scheme about document retention and relinquishing to archives that has no criminal penalty.

So the idea that you can be doing armed raids and even criminal grand jury subpoenas is ludicrous, much less getting to the point where we are now of crossing the Rubicon and criminalizing and charging, indicting a president. And a presidential contender.

So there's a lot that's wrong on the merits of these potential charges, or what seems to be the indictment. But the flip side, even before you get to that, is the misconduct. And just very quick, guys, one part of this that's, I think, just astronomically damaging for the investigation. Early in the case, when they wanted to put pressure on a man to cooperate against Donald Trump. They literally extorted his lawyer.

They brought the lawyer to Maine Justice. Six DOJ prosecutors sat there, one of them being central figure to it, and said, if you really want that judgeship of yours to work out, You better flip this guy against the president. I mean, that to me is a shocking difference in DOJ. And I asked him who it is, and he says it's out there, but that is part of the improprieties that he wants to bring forward, let alone the case. You're a lawyer, Shannon.

What do you think?

Well, I mean, it potentially gives them grounds. I mean, they say that they went to the DOJ and tried to have a discussion about these things. Again, we got to see the indictment. But once they move forward with that hearing on Tuesday, which I think Trustee told you guys too that the President does plan to show up, I've heard him say that. He has to do that.

Yeah, this thing moves in earnest forward. I mean, the President's not going to try to duck out the former President. He's going to show up and it's got to proceed. But I think those allegations that Trustee has made will be things that. come up in these pretrial motions.

There are always pretrial motions trying to get evidence thrown in or thrown out, you know, trying to change venue or any number of things that delay the process and are part of the process. And if he has these allegations that he can make with something to back them up, I would think that's going to be part of a pretrial motion to say, hey, this is evidence that this thing has not been handled in a legit way. And maybe we'll get more details about what he's alleging. I guess the whole point of when they don't, when you're dealing with basically the librarian with the archives, and they don't feel as though they're getting the stuff back that they need. To go to the Department of Justice, who who alerts the FBI, who ends up in a raid, to me it just seems like a total overreaction.

Do I think that Trump should have just given up the paperwork? Absolutely. Do I think he should have taken one box? No. Is that even building a library?

But it does what we're dealing with now, breaking precedent in our history, the whole world watching how this democracy is just. Just flipping all around and almost like a fish out of water, not making any sense, dividing the country. When I see all these things that took place, I'm saying to myself, do they realize what they're doing? And if I'm president of the United States, do I want to preside over a country that's going to be ripping each other's eyes out for the next year while running a campaign? Listen, it is a mess.

We're at a very divisive point. You talk about NARA. You talk about, you know, you just look to previous cases. They were much more accommodating. It seems like, based on what we know on the record, with Presidents Obama and President Clinton, when they said, yeah, I got a bunch of stuff.

It's going to take us time to go through it. You didn't see them run off the DOJ and immediately say, we can't get the documents back from President Obama, and we need you to go and rip apart his library or whatever is coming together.

So, I mean, those, again, go back to the optics that the DOJ is going to have to look at. You've got Hillary Clinton out there trolling on Twitter this morning about emails and whatnot, where remember, her emails disappeared after they were subject to a subpoena, tens of thousands of them, and there's a dispute about that and how that happened and what the content of those were. But, you know, there was no prosecution there. And I think for the average American out there who's watching this play out, they feel like they got a lot of questions about. Who gets treated how.

And you know the January 6th investigation is proceeding by Jack Smith, and you also have Georgia.

So we could be doing this at least two more times. Yeah, we could. And it's going to be odd because this is, you know, unprecedented to see how this plays out. Trials take time, generally, they do. But so, are you going to have a trial of the leading contender in the primaries?

What if he becomes the nominee? Then you've got a trial involving the nominee for president. What if he becomes president? Or if it's President Biden who's reelected, this thing goes beyond that.

So you have this question: it's forcing the field to come out and defend him, the other GOP contenders, to say that this is not fair. This is not a fair prosecution. You've got Vivek Ramaswamy, and I think Perry Johnson, too, saying, I would pardon the president if I become president, and he gets charged or convicted on some front.

So that's now, it's bad for him legally, it's good for him politically, at least based on the share. Yeah, in the short term. McCarthy went to bat from Jim Jordan, of course, Steve Scalise, Marco Rubio, all way in. I'm sure Lindsey Graham will be out there tearing the wallpaper off. I understand it.

Certain people like McConnell, not, because McConnell really, they Hate each other. There's a lot of people like Senator Thune who want the country to move on. But a lot of people like Nancy Mace, who also was primarily by the Trump people, didn't think she was loyal enough, said this is wrong. And we're going to see, you know, she went into a private skiff to go examine this 1023 form and walks out saying, My goodness, there's allegations here of bribery from the gas company that Hunter was within, at which time they call Hunter dumb and promised to give the big guy $5 million and the other guy $5 million.

Okay, who else said with references to the big guy? Tony Bobolinski came out.

So there's a lot here that you would think would spur an investigation. But it doesn't.

Well, or do we know? Because what Barr says and some of the other suggestions are that this ten twenty three that's out there may be part of an investigation that's ongoing, may be part of this Delaware federal investigation that's involving Hunter Biden.

So It's floating around out there, and people who've seen the document have come out and said, this is what it says. Again, these are the allegations of one person taken down, although identified by the FBI and others as a longstanding, credible source on other issues during the Obama administration, during the Trump administration.

So we got to wait and see. But, you know, there was very strong language by folks. As you note, Nancy Mace, who isn't like, you know, a huge proponent and supporter of President Trump out there saying, gosh, there's something to this. And that's another optical problem the DOJ has got to deal with. And the President finally, you know, despite I'm sure the fact that his staff wanted him out of that room yesterday, they've had the overhead announcement.

He's supposed to be gone. He's still answering questions. And now he's got to field a couple of questions on that issue. And he calls it Malarkey.

So this, to me, the pause between Malarkey and Show Me the Money is the story.

So here's the question that Shannon was just talking about. Your book, Good Bunny Janice Dean, is on my mind. I apologize. But Shannon was referring to this. The story that we just mentioned about the 1023 form and the whole oversight committee getting a chance to watch in a classified setting read this form.

Now, we know this. We know that they were referred to by William Barr over to Brady over in Delaware to investigate. And it looks like he's not investigating or he's just continuing to investigate, but there's been no conclusion or no update.

So Joe Biden's asked about it because the allegation is he got bribery money, cut 24. Bribery allegation. Congresswoman Nancy Mace says there's standing evidence in that VI filed that you sold out the country. Do you have a response to the Congressional Republicans? Where's the money?

I'm joking. Mr. President, can I try to bring to a bunch of Malork? Where's the money? Is that a dare?

Where's the money? That's not an answer. Are you accusing me of bribery? I've never heard of anything so fantastical as that. I haven't where you know, but where's the money?

I think quickly you realize how that sounds, and then says it's malarkey.

Well, yeah. And you don't want to say where's the money because Comer over at House Oversight will be like, great, we'll go look for it. And we have been looking for it. And these are these bank transfers and these are these questions we have.

So if you want to challenge us on that, let's go. I mean, that's a conversation he's going to want to have.

So, who do we expect to have on Fox News Sunday besides you'll have a rock band and you will also have Jim Trustee and you? Anybody else? And we are yeah, oh yeah, but the panel is very exciting. We've got the panel with us as well. And we have got Mighty Mayor Francis Suarez.

Is he about to jump into the field? He's got an announcement next week. This is a guy who's butted heads with DeSantis and with Trump. He's got a unique background. His family, his parents escaped from Cuba.

And now I wonder what he thinks about talk that China is going to build maybe an eavesdropping base on Cuba. We'll talk about that much more. Yes, and I'll tell you what, the biggest story is his city of Miami got messy. They already had Beckham.

Now they got messy. Yes. And now with an I, not Y. Yes. Right.

Miami not messy. But they have messy. Yep. we'll talk about that too. Shannon, I I enjoyed exercising your legal mind.

Okay, let's exercise again soon. I will see you Saturday night.

Okay, at 8 o'clock, right? One Nation. Thank you. Bye. Politics, current events, and news that affects you.

Brian's got a lot more to say. Stay with Brian Kilmead. If you're interested in it, Brian's talking about it. You're with Brian Kilmead. I've said this before with respect to the classified documents.

Every one of us who ever served, I had thousands of classified documents in my possession over the four years in the executive branch and in Congress. We have a responsibility to handle them appropriately, and those of us who don't ought to be held accountable for that, no matter which party they're from, Biden's stuff in his garage next to his Corvette, or the documents that appear to have been down in Mar-a-Lago. When you make a mistake, you need to own it, Neil. And I hope that everyone who takes this sacred duty of protecting this information will do that. Right, and own it.

And then, when it comes to retribution and consequences, it's got to be the same. That's all we're saying. And for you, I watch, as soon as this hits, I always try to watch the coverage for the radio show, especially, because I need to give you a different perspective on the show. This is talking. We're not tossing the reporters.

And, you know, I offer commentary on Fox and Friends and other shows. But this is all commentary, information, and commentary.

So I'm always flipping around. I'm watching panels of literally 10 people. And not one person thought it would be uh would be bout would be Good for the audience to say, by the way, The current president Has a document scandal going on, too, at seven different locations. And we have not heard one word about that. And when this does come out, Are we just going to ignore it?

Is he going to be out of office? Is he going to be passed on? What are we going to do? Why is it taking so long? Why don't we get any leaks?

Can you blame people on the right for saying there's a more than a double standard while still saying President Trump, why are you causing problems for yourself? Why don't you just focus on 2024? Getting your business together, truth social flying. Who cares about those documents? Because there is no ulterior motive.

There is no ultimate plan. Nobody wants to sell Kim Jong-un's letters or the Iran attack plan. That's not Trump's speed. Brian Killmeek Chip. Shannon, Sandra Smith next.

Radio that makes you think. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. What I saw today was a very credible, very legitimate, a source of information that showed bribery with Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden. The details and information that we saw was more than $5 million. And each, it was $5 million each in this document.

And what we saw was information. I have more questions tonight than I have answers for the FBI.

So, after going into the private skiff and looking at the 1023 form, she has more questions tonight. And then she sees bribery allegations that need to be followed up on. And then, when Jamie Raskin comes out and says they followed up and there was nothing there, William Barr cleared it. The problem is, William Barr is alive and he gets the news. I guess he still has a cable subscription.

Maybe he streams. And he says, I am William Barr. And I never did that. I referred this over to Brady at the Department of Justice in Delaware. And you should be asking what happened to this investigation because there's a lot of credibility.

Sandra Smith is here. She's been all over this. She's been hosting with Bill Hammer this morning and co-anchoring. She's going to be co-anchoring American Report shortly. Sandra, welcome.

I just want to say one thing. I think you've been holding out on me. I meant to say with the earphones. I did a podcast in a studio right down the way the other day, and they handed me these lovely, you have. Yeah.

Yeah, we should probably get these for the women. Because we come in with our hair and we go crunch it down. Yeah, Eric, what would it cost out of your do you have a personal discretionary budget? Do you have a spending plan we could cut into your see? See, tell me for anybody who's watching.

He has these cute little ones to just clip on his ears. I do look cute in them, right? A lot of people also think these are very 1970s. Like, isn't there something a little smaller than this? You have gotten criticisms that some of the other producers aren't the biggest fan.

Right. But it's effective. But I do think that if between both of us, your hair is really needs to look better than it is. Is really what? It's really what?

Well, I think that I am concerned about helmet head. Uh that's one thing that I I was concerned about.

Somebody with um With, let's say, not straight hair. do care more about their hair than men. We can debate that another time. Right, maybe not now. I don't know if that is a, I don't, I don't know if I will agree with that.

One thing about Sandra Smith, what I noticed, like when I come in to visit you on your show, you have all organized a lot of paperwork. I know, and I'm not sure. And when you come down side of MS, it's organized. And then you come in here, you have paperwork, and you work in your iPhone. All research.

Well, and I'm researching for you because I'm getting ready for your listeners.

So, what I have in front of me is I'm fresh off leaving the America's Newsroom set where I co-anchored with William Hemmer this morning. And then I was leaving to go. To go join Stuart Varney's program to talk live golf and the PGA and this merger. Hemmer and I have a history of really like duking it out with golf conversations.

So when I was sitting on set with him about to go to the Varney hit after the show ended, I said, wait, you got to come with me.

So then we ran to the studio together and we did the hit together.

So I've got the paperwork and the research for that hit. And then I have a completely different folder that is marked, wait for it. Kill mead. Kill mead. Because this is my prep for you, my friend.

No, I'm honored. That's why you're great at what you do. Always ready. Thank you. So, Sandra, in particular with this, this got swamped.

This story got swamped. If you had a rundown at 5 p.m. or 6 p.m., you blew it up when Truth Social showed the President of the United States, former President of the United States, saying, I'm going to be indicted Tuesday. There was a bit of confusion, too. I was watching in primetime last night, sort of the story unfolding and what we knew and when the Trump team knew it.

And one of Trump's attorneys was going on the air, I believe it was with Harris last night. And she said that this was leaked before the Trump team or before the president himself, even the former president, even knew about it. But she went on to say maybe other attorneys were made aware. But the president came forward with the fact that this was happening. And then, of course, you know, the news made big waves.

I'm pulling up Jonathan Turley. He joined us just a short time ago. He kicked off our coverage this morning on Newsroom with us. He showed genuine concern. Concern with what is happening right now.

In the country. He sounded the alarm on what he called a very serious Trump indictment, and he said this is a different ballgame.

So. The warning is to take this obviously very serious as it is. The other side of this is those who have been watching this unfold, the political nature of it, the political nature of just absolutely everything that is happening right now, is calling into question our institutions. That's a huge concern. It's calling into question what we've heard from President Biden on the issue.

What I was pulling up here, Brian, when you saw me so like.

So heavily on my phone. This is Ari Fleischer. He tweeted this just a second ago, and I thought it was really relevant to our conversation. He said, Aren't White House reporters supposed to write stories when POTUS lies? President Biden yesterday said he never, not once, told the DOJ who to prosecute.

Okay. This is the White House's statement. This is where the White House stands after these revelations. Ari went on to text, except he said anyone not cooperating with a Jan 6 committee subpoena should be prosecuted. He said his son did nothing wrong, he lied.

And I think that's important to bring into the picture right now, right? Absolutely. Fairness. Fairness. That's all anybody wants.

You and I just had this conversation. Anybody who's watching this right now, Pence, he's been relieved of all these classified documents stored at his home charges. Everybody in this country right now wants belief in our institutions and they want to believe there is fairness. And right now, there are many who are calling that into question.

So a couple of things.

So I don't understand there's been zero leaks for the bio. Let's just stick with the documents. Nancy Mason will put her comments about the 1023 in a moment, but just for now. When you look at the documents, the locations of the Penn Center, at the Rebahoboth home, his other home, and it was also at the University of Delaware and his lawyer's office, and in a, believe it or not, some type of warehouse in Chinatown. All those documents.

We have not heard any leaks. We don't even have, we know 14 we got at the Penn Center or maybe more. Then they found stuff. We have maybe 20 by his Corvette. Legitimately, how irresponsible is that?

These are senators' papers and then the vice president papers over the course of 30 years.

Now, you might say he's cooperating. Really? Did he cooperate or did they stumble onto classified documents that he never turned over? I don't know if that's cooperating. If you come in my house and find some stolen goods and I say, you can check the rest of the house and my other houses, I don't know if I'm cooperating.

If I was cooperating, I'd say, hey, I feel bad. I took some stuff I shouldn't have, like my pence did. This guy never said that, but he said I gave him full access. How could you get zero leaks out of that? How could somebody not even so, I think that should be zero leaks, but this, we got leaks every step of the way.

We knew who was testifying. We know about this Mark Meadows. Tape that came through.

So now you have a situation where there's no sign of the Biden administration's investigation of Joe Biden's. The Department of Justice of Joe Biden's documents case moving forward, even close.

So, if there's no resolve there, we got another year. You got to think that people are just sick of it. They're sick of the political nature of all these proceedings.

So, everything's going to look forward to next Tuesday now in Miami. There's going to be obviously a media frenzy down there happening. And meantime, the bomb was dropped by Peter Doocy on our air just a short time ago that now President Biden's going to head out for his first campaign spot stop in Philadelphia Saturday.

Okay, so we're full-fledged 2024 now. And this is all happening in the thick of it, Brian. And he's winning. And if you wanted to take Trump down, you made a mistake because. Ron DeSantis, two tiers of justice.

You have even Chris Christie came out and said, I need to see the indictment before I say anything.

Well, then that's the point. We have to have Rubio, Steve Schoolies, Kevin McCarthy, all in support.

So while these people are kind of rallying around him, Jim Jordan, of course, almost immediately says this is ridiculous how they're going after this guy.

So, and also, I thought the first one, Vivek Karamaswamy, says, when I'm president, the first thing I'm going to do is pardon Trump.

So, this is going to be. Will they all follow suit with that? Sure. Why wouldn't you? Because their goal is to win the nomination and bring Trump's people with them.

How can you bring them with them and not take that pledge? To me, it's the easiest pledge ever. Wait for the indictment, read the indictment, and then make the statement. I will pardon them.

Well, that's the interesting part for us, all of us who were watching the coverage unfold last night and then the reaction this morning, is the judgment that is being passed without even seeing. The indictment. This is bad. This is probably the worst news I could be reading for the President. This morning, we tended our resignations as counsel to President Trump.

We will no longer represent him on either the indicted case of january sixth. It has been an honor to have spent the year defending him, and we know we would be vindicating his battle against the Biden administration.

Now that case has been Tied to Miami, this is a logical moment for us to step aside. We have no plans to hold media appearances and address our withdrawals or any other confidential communications. He, by far, was the best lawyer he's ever had, Donald Trump. Uh Oh yeah, Jim Justice. Not Jim Justice, Jim Trustee.

And John Rowley. I didn't know John Rowley.

So this is unbelievable. He is his best defender. He just took apart George Stephanopoulos. Two weeks ago, he took apart Chuck Todd. He did a great job last night, did a great job this morning.

But there was a big story yesterday how the lawyers for Donald Trump were not communicating and it was hurting their client. I usually use one law firm for which you have multiple lawsuits. They weren't.

So therefore, also I heard Boris Epstein is doing a bad job allowing the President to get the information. He's been screening it, frustrating a lot of attorneys who have been just decided to resign. Sandra, this is terrible news for the President. You just got the Trump statement. Uh he put out on his Truth Social, the former president, announcing that Todd Blanche will no longer be part of the legal team, saying for purposes of fighting the Todd Blanche.

That's a different one. This is um he's the new attorney representing him.

Okay. He's also part of his legal counsel in his New York criminal case. The president putting in this statement on his true social for purposes of fighting the greatest witch hunt of all time, now moving to the Florida courts, I will be represented by Todd Blanche and a firm to be named later. I want to thank Jim Trustee and John Raleigh for their work, but they were up against a very dishonest, corrupt, evil, and sick group of people, the likes of which has not been seen before. We will be announcing additional lawyers in the coming days.

When will Joe Biden be indicted for his many crimes against our nation? And he typed MAGA. If he thinks that you can do better than trustee, you are dreaming. And the fact that the indictment got handed down, if he's being blamed for it, you are totally disillusioned with the legal process. To me, that's unbelievable.

Just stunning. I'm looking for more developments and more reaction to that, but that. Um that would be an indication. Um Chaos behind the scenes when you need stability the most. All right.

Sandra Smith is here. We're going to try to unwind more of this during the break. You listen to the Brian Kill Me Show as we ride the breaking news on the legal gymnastics of President Trump behind the scenes and what we're all seeing in front of the camera. Ah! Expanding your knowledge base.

It's the Brian Kill Meet Show. Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Show. Hey, we are back. We had a few minutes with Sandra Smith trying to follow two storylines where it looks as though Trump is changing horses with his attorney.

He's lost his best one, Jim Trustee, in a very polite release, decided this is my perfect time to step aside. And he's bringing in Todd Blanche, who I know very little bit about. I guess we'll find out more. And he's going to be hiring one firm. But this one firm, Sandra Smith, has got to take on the January 6th case.

It's got to take on the Georgia case. And now it's got to fight this indictment. Kind of, it's an interesting time to change. To be nice, interesting time to change leaders. Less than 24 hours from when the actual indictment was announced, yes.

Do you trust he was on at 6 o'clock in the morning with us? Yes. So we'll see what sort of reaction pours into this. The former President removing two of his attorneys in this document case. This is the statement from Trustee and Raleigh, who have now departed.

They're saying that they have resigned.

Okay, so important to get that in there. Not fired. They they're they're the word here, they've released this joint statement saying that they've resigned from representing the former President. They were the two lawyers. It should be reminded, our Supreme Court reporter reminding the of Us of this right now.

They were the lawyers that met Monday at the Justice Department with special counsel Jack Smith and his team about this case. But this is just a tiny portion of what they're saying on their departure. We tendered our resignations as counsel to President Trump, and we will no longer represent him on either the indicted case or the January 6th investigation. It has been an honor to have spent the last year defending him, and we know we will be vindicated in his battle. We know he will be vindicated.

That's important in his battle against the Biden administration's partisan weaponization of the American justice system.

So they're still throwing their support behind the defense of him. Right. Not fired. Great spokesperson. But we also had Palator resigned two weeks ago, who's doing all the shows too, saying, I really like President Trump.

I like dealing with him. But the report was I couldn't get to him because Barr Zepstein, who I texted about this, I go, is this true? I go, Bar Z Epstein decides who gets to the president. And I need to meet with my client and with all. Other lawyers.

And did you see the story about how little prepared other lawyers were for the civil case that resulted in the president getting a $2 million fine? They said that basically. Joe Takapita was on his own, no one to consult with. I'm not too sure a tough talking attorney dealing with a rape victim or alleged rape victim was the best approach. Hasn't been in the past.

I w I wonder how sort of the the all the The legal watchers will dig into this, but also in that statement, the two exiting lawyers said that now that the case has been filed in Miami, this is a logical moment for us to step aside and let others carry the cases through to completion. And this answers my question about phoning them to come on the program this afternoon, Brian, because they ended their statement saying they've got no plans to hold media appearances that address these withdrawals or any other confidential communications we've had with the president or the legal team. By the way, as this was all happening, I believe one of the presidential contenders, Nikki Haley, just finally, and she did wait a while, she finally put out a statement on the indictment of the former president. Having that happen last night, this just in, she said, this is not how justice should be pursued in our country. The American people are exhausted by the prosecutorial overreach, double standards, and vendetta politics.

She's used that word before. It's time to move beyond the endless drama and distractions. Nikki Haley. If you wanted to divide the party or give Donald Trump's competitors on the right, who all want the job of, who want the position of GOP nominee for President of the United States. If you wanted to give them something to go with and say, this president again is nothing but trouble.

His legal woes are overwhelming the country. His selfishness has never before been on display. I back up this indictment. He acted irresponsibly. Forget it.

Because outside Asa Hutchinson, who says this makes him ineligible, you have words of support for DeSantis and Two Roads of Justice. You have Vive Ramaswamy saying this is crazy and I'm going to pardon him as soon as I get there. And then just to paraphrase Ron DeSantis, two tracks of justice has got to stop in this country. That's the one that he's gotten absorbed $20 million of attack ads from the former President of the United States.

So it's not going to divide the field. Uh I think it's going to unite the Republican Party and maybe get people who are moderates but we don't know the indictments and independents and undecided. It's interesting you say that because guess where the former president has been throughout the morning? He's been golfing and we've actually seen aerial images. We were watching them live together as Hemero and I were report reporting America um uh America's newsroom.

Um, he's out golfing this morning. That's how he handles it. But basically, that's what he does. That's what he does full-time. Linda Graham always said, you know what the president should do?

Go out and give speeches and golf and forget about running again. He said that two years ago. It helps them. It definitely helps them. It helps all of us to take a walk when things get crazy.

So, just on the other track, I don't think we should lose track of the other track and what James Comer is doing.

So, I think the more that heats up, and would you sure take Sandra Smith on when he came back? When the president was asked about this bribery scandal, he said, Where's the money? Is that significant to you? I think it's hugely significant. And Nancy Mace was just alluding to subpoenaing more bank records, and I think that's really important in this moment.

I've been saying all along, how do the banks not have more information on these records? They only looked at one bank so far. Yeah. How is that possible? How are the banks not wanting to get to the bottom of why it is that there's one name on a massive wire transfer involving the president?

Subpoena more bank records. They should be forced publicly. Bookly to turn those on. Which is going to be on your show? A lot of people.

And you're going to be covering this. Sandra, thanks so much. Is John Roberts going on on the air? I've been anchoring all morning. I know.

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