How many years have we spent listening to politicians in Washington argue about how to make healthcare insurance more affordable? Obamacare was supposed to fix it. Then we needed bigger government subsidies to make Obamacare affordable. Those subsidies expired. And guess what?
People are paying more again at some point. Maybe the question isn't, how do we keep fixing the same system? Maybe the question is, what else is out there? That's why I want you to take a look at WeShare Health. WeShare isn't health insurance.
It's a nonprofit, Christian healthcare sharing organization. And their members pay up to 60% less than they would for Obamacare. You still get access to a nationwide PPO network and over a million physicians plus unlimited telehealth.
So stop waiting for Washington or the insurance companies to make healthcare affordable for you. Do your own research. See what your options are. Call 188-WESHARE for a free quote. That's 1-888-WESHARE.
Or visit weShareHealth.org and take a look for yourself. This episode is brought to you by PayPal. You know how a mom's bag has everything? Sunscreen. Snacks?
A stapler? The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money. Shop, pay, manage your account, and earn rewards all in one place. And with purchase protection on eligible items, biometric security, and pass keys, you're protected at every step. Download the new PayPal app to get started.
See PayPal.com/slash protection terms. And Jessica, I saw you last night with Andy Cohen real quick. You popped up. I saw you with Bill Maher. Yeah.
So, how's that going? It's, I mean,. It's a lot of fun. I mean, it's a different book tour. You don't usually see Fox people on those shows.
That's what I we were just talking about. I am brand ambassadoring all over the liberal sphere. Right. Is a good thing. And it's what the book is about.
It's what the five does. And it's been great, like especially the audience last night at Watch What Happens Live, a bunch of left-leaning girls, girls and women who love Bravo. Right. And they Took audience questions and people wrote in with questions. And it was all like, how do I talk to people that I care about who see the world differently than me?
And like, I mean, some fun stuff.
Someone asked, what was my favorite argument that I ever had with Janine? When she was on the show, which is fun. Do you recall that stuff? Oh, yeah. No, well, this one is like seared into my mind.
So that was easy recall. But. It's very heartening. to see that people want To talk across divides. And obviously, I hope the book is helpful for them.
The tips and tricks that I've learned from doing this for a long time now. But it made me very optimistic about the country. Wow, you mean writing the book or the response to the response That people are identifying with the message of the book. Because you would think you might walk into some of these environments, and people would be like. MAGA's a cult.
And like, I have no interest in anyone that might have a positive view of Donald Trump. And I have gotten none of that. Right. Even if that's how they feel about the politics of it, they can separate the person from the politics and genuinely want help in navigating these conversations.
So when did you realize that this book could work? Because they are your friends. Like the five are your friends. And you're living that example. Yes, that definitely resonates with them.
It's been interesting. To also unpack what the media ecosystem has done in terms of people's perceptions of those relationships. Because it's very different if you watch the full hour, right, versus if you see a 60-second clip of me or of Greg or Jesse, you know, quote unquote, demolishing me. You wouldn't think that there was much connective tissue there, or that, like, the back half of the show, we're going to be talking about dating trends and robot dogs, and you know.
So it's been awesome for me to be able to bring that to life for people and for them to also understand that you don't have to lose your center or your politics to have these relationships. I'll give you an example.
So, what are some of the most polarizing issues? Number one, let's just say. The border. Over the last few weeks, how many conversations have you had at the border? On the five.
That's probably one of the most every day. Every day. Even when I don't want to. Right. You have to get into it.
Which is most of the time.
So what happens is, so you go at it, you prepare. Is it when you approach, I'm preparing for the argument, you got to anticipate what I'm going to say. Yep. And then what you're going to say.
So you go and do it. And you go to break after. Yeah.
And you think you're still friends after that. But sometimes it drags into the break, sometimes. I really. I think that that is very much up to me. I mean, you've been on the show, and you know that, like, Greg and Jesse are pretty unfazed.
So they're going to go back to just being themselves.
So. It's on me to decide how far do we want to go with this. And if it's something that's really important to me, or something that I feel like has been said that was offensive or whatever, sometimes I mention it. But in general, I know. That there's always a tomorrow.
And there's an opportunity to continue the conversation. And that's why these long term relationships with people who think differently are so important. And the way that you approach the conversation itself, you know, the book is designed with these tips boxes at the end of each chapter. And one of them is to make sure that you have a soft start when you are engaging in Tough topics. And that's, you know, some connective tissue is a joke.
Obviously, Jesse and I mess around with each other all the time. But something that shows them and anyone else who's participating, that in this case, you know, millions of people are sitting at home that like we're good. No matter what is about to happen, there's a bond there. And it's not going to be broken because we have different opinions on how sexy Stephen Miller is. That's true.
And, you know, and that is a big difference. It's a weird obsession for him, right? Jesse never stops, actually, with that. Abdul now so sexy. People are talking.
Right. And he hasn't had Mike Rogers on.
So how do you figure out what's going on there?
Well. I think Mike Rogers doesn't want the doors are open, right? This was a Ken Paxton problem. You were calling it out, saying, You got to do more media. And now that he's doing more media, I think we see why he doesn't like to do media.
Well, you got a choice, right? No, you well, certainly not in a high-stakes race like this. But yeah, the Emphasizing to people and showing them how open our doors are here to these conversations has. Been illuminating where they say, Oh, I didn't know that they allowed people like you on. I'm like, Allowed me on?
Like, I host. a very beloved show with a lot of I know, I don't want to like make you yeah, it's it's all right. Fox and Friends are great too. Anyway, yes, there's a huge audience for it and been number one for over four years now. And Suzanne Chose someone as outspoken as me to do that.
And Harold Ford obviously is great too. It's Little bit more moderate Democrat and his approach more presidential. But It's a I think we're modeling what people want in their lives. Frankly, even if I irritate them sometimes or if, you know, the conservatives irritate them.
So a lot of people, when they go on, we get a lot of, hey, Jessica, like when you won that show, Brian, is it hard to deal with Jessica? No, she says different opinions. It makes the show good. I always come back with, why do you want to flip the channels to get another opinion? Isn't it good to be on one channel and get more opinions?
Leave it on all day and all night. And they go, well, it's good to find out what everybody thinks. But what do you so I get that a lot when we go out? You know, which why was Greg hate you? I get a lot.
And number two is. What is the origin of. That bit that Greg does with you? It just seems to work. He loves it.
It does work. It just seems to work. Hate sometimes does work. I think that could be a good thing. It's a funny thing.
So affectionate if you know how Greg loves. He loves hard. Yes.
So that's what I hear.
So, Jessica, the other thing is: when you go out, I'm just curious what you get. Like when people come up to you, but is it general why you're on Fox? Or is it Jesse or is it Greg? It's definitely Jesse and Greg. There's a lot of questions around like.
Are you okay? How high is your therapy bill? Are you drugged? Are you drunk? No sedatives, no therapist either.
You know You build a skin, a tougher skin, and just an approach. in dealing with people that makes it Most say is. I mean you say you join the shop. I'm just fine. I'm pretty unfazed by it.
And there's so much room to also be able to casually counter this stuff. Like the other day, I just said, You guys are so annoying. Right. And you don't get to do that usually on TV and when you're talking about politics.
So they're wondering about that. Like, What are these relationships actually like? I get a lot of do they believe do they actually believe the stuff that they say? Do people ask you that about you? I get that about you.
Yeah.
And you're like, sadly, yes. I go, no, she doesn't. I got no one gives her her talking points. What is more challenging when a Democrat's in the president as president or when a Republican's president? What's more challenging as a host of a show?
Oh, I think playing defense is much harder. I'm trying to lull the rest of the five into understanding, like, accept your fate, and you will actually enjoy it. If it isn't blue tsunami, right? And then. I mean, playing defense.
And I have some regret. About How I talked about Biden towards the end. And I write about that in the book because, and a lot of Democrats are doing this. Like outwardly lying. I never said, you know, this is the most virile, strong man I've ever, you know, whoever was saying, like, I've never met anyone with this kind of energy or whatever.
But people have said that. Yes.
And. They are going to be embarrassed for the rest of their lives. I certainly said he was a- Joe Scarborough, we play that all the time. Yeah, it's a fan fave. We get more of the view on the five.
You guys air more the view than the view. I know, it's longer than an hour on our show sometimes. By Playing defense is tough, and also picking and choosing your spots. And that's something that I pay a lot of attention to, not only because I want to be honest with the audience, and I'm certainly not going to stand there and back something up that I think is crazy. Like when we talk about all the DSA stuff and abolishing prisons, obviously, that's a no-go.
How many years have we spent listening to politicians in Washington argue about how to make healthcare insurance more affordable? Obamacare was supposed to fix it. Then we needed bigger government subsidies to make Obamacare affordable. Those subsidies expired, and guess what? People are paying more again at some point.
Maybe the question isn't, how do we keep fixing the same system? Maybe the question is, what else is out there? That's why I want you to take a look at WeShare Health. WeShare isn't health insurance, it's a nonprofit, Christian healthcare sharing organization, and their members pay up to 60% less than they would for Obamacare. You still get access to a nationwide PPO network and Over a million physicians plus unlimited telehealth.
So stop waiting for Washington or the insurance companies to make healthcare affordable for you. Do your own research. See what your options are. Call 188-WESHARE for a free quote. That's 1-888-WESHARE.
Or visit weSharehealth.org and take a look for yourself. This episode is brought to you by PayPal. You know how a mom's bag has everything? Sunscreen. Snacks?
A stapler? The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money. Shop, pay, manage your account and earn rewards all in one place. And with purchase protection on eligible items, biometric security and pass keys, you're protected at every step. Download the new PayPal app to get started.
See PayPal.com slash protection terms. Right, for you, but that's interesting because that's something you might, you do agree with them on. Like, the DSA is not. Do you agree with James Carl that doesn't belong in your party? That might be almost like a r a Well, I think there are denominations of DSA.
I don't think Darielisa Chevalier belongs in the party. I don't think she belongs in. pol in elected politics. She's going. She's going, I know.
And I feel badly for her district, frankly. But I I don't think like AOC's DSA doesn't belong in their politics. It's still to the left of me. Right. But I totally get it and it doesn't scare me.
And I think that she has also evolved, certainly in the way that she presents. Why do you think that Gavin Newsom said what he said when he was pretending to fly fish with Jay Tapper? In the regular clothes. And people that know fly fishing said he wasn't doing it right. I'm no fly fish.
But he said when they said about, oh, if Kamala runs, I'm not running. I was shocked by that. Were you?
Well I knew that there was some other rationale. First of all, a lot of them are saying things that they don't mean at this point. Like, I'm not, everyone's not running. And, like, JB Pritzker is dropping 80 pounds, and like, Westmore and Andy Bashir are doing a book talk just last night, like, patting each other on the backs about how we need more of them in public. Like, everybody is running.
Like, I passed 10 people on the street today. They are probably running for president.
So I think Gavin was playing a little bit of a game there. I think that. He also might know something that we don't know that she's not going to run, which I think would be best. Missing out on the gubernatorial race, I think, was her big mistake. 'Cause she could have walked into that office.
And had a great Two years before he started running. In other words, you missed the whole cycle. Missed the whole cycle. Yeah.
Just You were vice president. And you didn't want to live in DC. Because remember, there was all that back and forth. Forest had a very similar trajectory. Remember?
Well, I don't remember living through it, but yes, I remember from the history books. she would have been a wildly popular Governor, and it would have been, you know, a welcome home to the state. And I think Gavin would have been very happy to pass the torch. To her. I don't think he feels the same way about Becera.
And I know people are. I'm not saying Steve Hilton is going to win, but it has been interesting to see people reacting to him because I told people, I said, you're going to like Steve. And Steve knows what's up. He lives in San Francisco. His wife worked for Google.
Like, he spends his life around liberals. He knows that he's not going to walk in there and, you know, talk like a Rust vote or have a theory on why she didn't run. I mean she yeah she her she knows what you know. That she would have probably waltzed through it. She probably looked at that field and said, Katie Porter, really?
I'm not going to have a problem here. But it's work. You really got to work. A lot of it's not glamorous.
Well, the management job. The management. You run the state. You're going seven days a week. You're going to got the natural disasters.
You're going to get criticized. Obviously, nobody does not get criticized. And it's running a country. Yeah.
I mean, California is not like, oh, I'm going to be the governor of Rhode Island. You've got to really want to work. You've got to do that. You want to do 20 hours a day, seven days a week. The president seems like work, too.
Right. I just don't think she I think she wants to be more queen of England. Like, I think she wants the pomp and circumstance. I don't think she wants to do the job. I think, you know, the guy, the other guy that's a pretend candidate, is Bernie Sanders.
He never wanted the job. I mean, he the reason why he's not more outraged that he really got a raw deal with the Democratic Party is because I think the last thing he wanted to do was actually have responsibility and not just be a naysayer on the other side. A lightning rod for the discourse. Yeah, there's other people that want the job. Definitely.
Hillary Cutton wanted the job. She's still, she's not running, but she still wants the job, and she could do the job. She could have been governed, right? I go, okay, I might not agree with her, but she would work 20 hours a day and she would work hard. There's no question about it.
But I with her, I think it's a workout. This is what AOC's biggest liability will be. She's got charisma, she's got charms, she's got presents. But will she study? The stuff that's just, it's not glamorous.
It's like, I need to understand Taiwan. Yeah, I need to understand with the economy. How do we get this 40 trillion? And you got to thoroughly understand it.
So if I'm going to sit down in a debate, just go, no, no, that. I know instinctively when a policy won't work. I'll be able to counter it if I thoroughly understand it. And that takes work, not someone telling you Jessica Tarlov is not going to bring up the economy. Don't worry about it.
Right. To me, those are the people. That wants the job, want to run for the job and want to do the job. Like going to DeSantis' best thing, he could do the job. He's going to have a hard time getting the job.
Yeah.
I mean, I felt that way in the primary. I think you uh you guys would have been better off uh with DeSantis, frankly. Like I'm not sure political. Yeah.
I just think the cut The country would be More unified now. I don't think he would have like a 32% approval or whatever Trump has going on. Can we get some? Let's just do one long segment rather than give you, hold you over for the other one.
So, can we get some tips? Jessica Tarlov, our guest, she's a co-host of the five, as you know, but her new book is out. It's called I Disagree: Winning Arguments Without Losing Friends. Can you give me some tips? Let's say if you have a liberal friend.
Mm. In my case, or you have a conservative friend in your case.
Okay.
Well, I already talked about the soft start, which. Is manners also and understanding how important it is to make people feel Like you care about them when you're about to hit them with something that they don't agree with, to think in averages and not anecdotes. It's Ben Shapiro for me. You know, the facts don't care about your feelings. It's the most effective way to communicate.
Don't sound like an automaton, but make sure that you're grounded in public opinion. And people who watch the five know how much I do that, and it probably annoys them to some degree. There's a lot in the book about how to process criticism because I get a lot of criticism. And one of the things that has been really important for me is to be able to take a step back and see that if someone is criticizing me on style, that I've probably won on substance. And to take that win.
Sometimes it's a silent W. Right. But that. Um excuse me. Like if Donald Trump is going after my jittery presentation.
The substance was probably pretty good.
So I like that one a lot. To stop worrying about whether you're likable and start thinking about whether you're credible. That people do. Like what you just said about Hillary Clinton. You say, I don't agree with her, she's going to work.
She's a credible person. Absolutely. Great advice. Those are a few. All right.
So, this one, I think we're going to get to the point where we're going to do deals. I think that it's not the next president, the next one after that, we're going to start talking about deals that get done. Yeah.
It'll make the five even better. I can't wait. I just want to see my friends for a moment. I want them to be playing defense. We just moved into our new house, and I didn't realize just how close we were to the neighbors.
That's when my friend told me about blinds.com. Blinds.com isn't a medication, but it can improve how you feel about your home. Customers who shop at Blinds.com experience excellent customer service from consultation to installation. Side effects include increased privacy and better sleep. Talk to your partner today and see if Blinds.com is right for you.
Visit Blinds.com to order your free samples. Yeah.
