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From High Atop, Fox. News headquarters in New York City. Always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone.

So glad you're there. Brian Kilmead Show coming your way. Busy week, right?

So we have Craig Carton coming up, host of the Craig Carton Show on Outkick, WFAN afternoon host. And then we have Vice Admiral Robert Harwood, served on George Bush's National Security Council, member of GINSA's Iran Policy Project. And not only does he know what's going on in CENTCOM, he also knows what it's like growing up in Iran. He'll zoom with us. A lot of this stuff, you know, you can always catch the stream.

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So let's get to the big three. Number three. You're gonna come into Bob Kraft's house and spit in his face? No way. That's not censorship.

Everyone now is like, oh, Bob Kraft got McLean more fired. That's censorship, freedom of speech. This ain't freedom of speech, homie. He owns the stadium, it's his house. That is so correct.

And that is Dave Portnoy of Barcelona. The edge here in McLemore Fallout underlines the anti-Semitic rage in America's next generation and even around the globe, why Bob Craft and others simply have to hold the line. Number two. President Trump, who is set to meet with leaders from six Gulf countries on the sidelines of the UN next week, told Axios that he's approaching a critical juncture and weighing a decision on whether to restart massive attacks to bring the conflict to a close. Jackie Heinrich in the world coming to town for the UN General Assembly, two meetings that will define Trump's second term to take place.

Meeting with Chinese President Xi and Gulf state confab to game plan versus Iran. Number one. You once said that America is the top dog in terrorism. Yes. Do you think America then is worse than Al-Qaeda?

Pound for pound, as far as the number of deaths. Yes, we have caused tremendous terror all around the world. Good job, Hassan Pikert. You're continuing to show you hate America, and so many people that hop on your show must feel the same way. Like Jamie Raskin, like the entire squad, and like, yes, Abdul El Al Sid.

Attention, all Democrats. You have an Hassan and socialism problem, and it isn't going away. We'll discuss what it means for the country. And how the GLP can capitalize. Look, we see the polls, we know tradition.

It doesn't look good for the party in power when it comes to the midterm election, especially with a second term President. Just keep in mind, in 2018, the President did lose the House, but he did pick up a seat in the Senate.

So it was two seats in the Senate.

So it was not a disaster for him. That's how it got people confirmed.

So, Hassan Piker, if you guys do not know, he is the radical Egyptian-born commentator that hops on social media, and all these squad members and all these prominent Democrats like Ro Khanna and Jamie Raskin and AOC and Bernie Sanders hop on with him. But most of all, it is Abdul El Al Cid. And that's how he got the nomination. He, according to Hassan Piker, would come on his show. He'd been on at least four times, over an hour each time, and was looking for some type of momentum.

In order to run for that Senate seat and get that nomination, they end up getting it from Haley Stevens, and Hassan Piker was in his backyard 48 hours before the election, and it was campaigning with him up until the last day.

So, Hassan Piker's beliefs don't have to be exactly what LLC believes, but don't pretend as if you're not friends. He doesn't play a major role in your life because people want to find out what they're voting for. And Assam Piker sat down with Axios. And continu and MS Now and continues to be a problem. Case in point, cut one.

You once said that America is the top dog in terrorism. Do you think America, then, is worse than Al-Qaeda? Pound for pound, as far as the number of deaths. Yes, we have caused tremendous terror all around the world. Really?

Tremendous terror all around the world. Anybody that's terrorized is an enemy of ours. If they get hit, that's called. That is collateral damage, and nobody shoots for it. But O-Qaeda is looking to kill people.

If you know that you just watched. 3,000 people plus and 9,000 afterwards die horrific deaths, and you say that's exactly what we do? We're the t we're the top of the terror chain? And you call yourself an American? And a Democrat?

Are you kidding? Do I need to expand on this anymore? L s out seed. Who has to every time he Tries to come up with a statement about what he's going to do if he becomes senator. And by the way, what he's going to do is ridiculous: tax billionaires and have Medicare for all and get.

Big-time corporations out of politics. Fantastic. None of that's going to get done as a senator from Michigan, but I don't want to slow you down. But he comes out and says things like this. And it just comes like a wave over all Democrats.

And that's what he did yesterday. Where's the germ end? Nobody on the left wants him doing a media tour, but that's what they're doing. Abdul Al-Sid immediately was asked, Do you agree that America is a terrorist state? I do not agree with that statement, nor do I give much weight to the statements made by a social media streamer.

Listen, pal, this guy is one of your best friends. You've been on with him multiple times, and according to him, he propelled you into prominence with a young audience. You said you want his 3 million streamers.

Well, you got him.

Now he's going to be campaigning with Kamala Harris. He wants the black vote. He's getting no black votes for a Democrat. But Hassan Piker didn't stop there, did he? Cut six.

Do you think Iran should be free to build a nuclear weapon? I think Iran Much like any uh other sovereign nation. has a right to defend itself regardless of its domestic policies. My opinion on the matter is not dissimilar to what John Mersheimer has said, which is that in order to create regional stability in a world where mutually assured destruction is the only way for countries to have sovereignty, It's the same principle that I apply to Ukraine as well. Countries that would have nuclear arms.

In an age of nuclear proliferation, are the only countries that can generate true sovereignty.

Now, having said that, Do I want Iran to have nuclear arms? No, but I also don't want America or Russia or China to have nuclear arms either.

So do you realize what he's saying? Let's pass that last statement. He's saying with nuclear arms with Iran, they're going to go right you know what they're doing. They're going to go right for Israel. Doesn't bother him.

And the way they'll do that is they'll barrage Israel with ballistic missiles. And they'll say, you hit back, I hit you with a nuclear weapon. And at which time, Israel will do the same thing. That's what we're trying to avoid, you idiot So I thought this was put well by the spokesperson for Kamala Harris's campaign. Amar his name is Amar Moussa wrote on X Someone explained to me why he of all people feels like he should do a media tour less than fifty days from the election.

Good luck. When we come back, we have some fun. Craig Carton is here, newest host of Outkick. Don't move. Real talk, real guests, real insight, where curiosity meets conversation.

It's the Brian Killmeat Show. How many years have we spent listening to politicians in Washington argue about how to make healthcare insurance more affordable? Obamacare was supposed to fix it. Then we needed bigger government subsidies to make Obamacare affordable. Those subsidies expired, and guess what?

People are paying more again at some point. Maybe the question isn't, how do we keep fixing the same system? Maybe the question is, what else is out there? That's why I want you to take a look at WeShare Health. WeShare isn't health insurance.

It's a non-profit, Christian healthcare sharing organization. And their members pay up to 60% less than they would for Obamacare. You still get access to a nationwide PPO network and over a million physicians plus unlimited telehealth.

So stop waiting for Washington or the insurance companies to make healthcare affordable for you. Do your own research. See what your options are. Call 188-WESHARE for a free quote. That's 1-888-WESHARE.

Or visit weShareHealth.org and take a look for yourself. Uh If you're interested in it, Brian's talking about it. You're with Brian Kilmead.

So, Craig Carton's all set to host the Craig Carton show on Outkick, Outkick.com. That's where you can get it. You can get it on the stream everywhere. Craig also hosts his great show in the afternoon on WFAN, which is now streamed on Sirius. But great to see you, Craig.

Great to see you too. You and all John. This is going to be great because now we can go to the same Christmas party. That's exactly right. You never invite me to WFAN.

And I heard you're very generous at these Christmas parties.

So I'm all in. No, I don't know if you can come to mine. Like, I have a show Christmas party, but I don't think you can go to that. I want to go to that one. Really?

Yeah. You can go? Yeah, Allison was telling me the gifts just keep getting better and better and better.

Well, the gift is the actual event. Oh, it's it's it's that's it that's it your presence is the event that hey Brian blessed us he showed up to his own Christmas party well no that's my way of thanking him uh eat for free that do you do anything for your crew yeah we take him the last couple years to Fogo to Chow and eat As much as you want, drink as much as you want. But I think it's important. You got to take your staff out. They bust their asses for us.

No, okay, good. And they can hear you. Yeah. So it's always good. All right.

So let's talk a little bit about sports if we can be a little bit New York-centric for a while. Because you don't get over-emotional. But you got to say, for the Giants and Jets to open up with a win months after the New York Knicks just won a championship. And the Yankees get Aaron Judge back. We thought, anyway, we hope he comes back.

But they're in a good spot in the playoffs. This must be heaven for you. Yeah, this is, well, the Knicks winning a championship. Heaven on steroids for me, right? Because I never thought I'd see it in my lifetime.

53 years in between championships. And then we're kind of still living off that, right? And a lot of us as Knicks fans still don't know exactly how to behave because this isn't real, is it? You're pinched me. Yes, it is real.

And then you add to that, the Yankees making another playoff run. They've clinched, obviously, the postseason. But the Jets and Giants both starting off 1-0, which has not happened in seven years. You did not think that. You did not think that.

Well, I thought the Jets would beat the Titans. I'm a Jet fan. I thought the Cowboys are going to wax the Giants.

So I didn't see that one coming. And on your show, your Fox and Friends, and I was being somewhat performative for Lawrence. I said the Cowboys would win the Super Bowl this year.

So obviously I thought they were going to win game one, but it's a good time to be a New Yorker. I mean, with that kind of statement, are you fearful for your job? Because when you see them, they were dominated by the Giants. I mean, are you. If the Giants beat the Rams on Monday night, I'm going to have to go check my contract to make sure I'm safe.

Yeah. All right, let's talk about Bob Crafty as he saddles both sports world and real world. I give him great credit. You know, Edge Heeron, who played at his wedding a few years ago, friends with him.

So he's not just a performer who played in Foxborough. He saw what Mac Lamore said. Listen to this guy, cut 19. Three. Palestine.

I said free Palestine to all of my Jewish brothers and sisters. Criticism of Israel. Criticism of apartheid being against genocide in no way is a criticism of you.

So I say, free Palestine. I say free Lebanon. I say free Cuba. I say free Congo. Free Sudan.

Free all of us. You got the spirit of this. What does that mean? Does he want Lebanon to be free of Hezbollah or is he commenting on Israel? No, I think he just wants to be free of Jews.

Right. You know, and Robert, this is the same guy. And you can't talk about him without talking about what he did previously in concerts when he put on the exaggerated nose and mocked wiserly Jews, that whole stereotypical nonsense. Yeah, and I thought what Robert Kraft did was brave, actually. And it's his building.

He can decide who gets to play in that building. This is not a free speech issue. You don't say free Palestine without that equating to, I hate Israel slash, I hate the Jewish people. And that's all this is. And, you know, the woke liberal entertainers of the world who think because they can sing well or act well or entertain us, think they have this crazy platform that we should just accept.

And I choose not to accept. And I think what Robert Kraft did was on the money.

So, and by the way, he's not alone. The Eagles canceled the concert over at Lincoln Field. Lucas Oil Stadium canceled them over in Indianapolis. Arlington, the Cowboys canceled them. If you have McLemore, you can't come.

In other words, Edge here if you're invited, yeah. Raymond James Stadium, so over in Tampa, Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta, done. And by the way, we do have freedom of speech in this country. This is not a freedom of speech issue. This is, I own the building, and I don't like what you're spewing and putting out there because it's divisive.

So if you want to go play on a street corner or in a bagel shop, go ahead and do it. But you can't play in my building.

So I'm going to give you a scenario, Craig. You have a stadium there. Here to see Craig Carton, but they want to see a pre-show. Right. So you call up Brian Kilmy and you say, Brian.

Open up, give me twenty minutes, just get everybody ready for me. And I go up there and I create havoc for the twenty minutes. Yeah. You'd be furious. Yes, I would.

Why is Ed Sharon not furious? Yeah, well, it's a great question. And I understood the first time McLemore did it, maybe I didn't know it was going to happen.

So he gets a pass on the first time. Once he McLemore does what he does, people are buying tickets to see me. I'm at Sheeran, right? You bet your ass you and I are having a conversation. That doesn't happen again if you want to continue to enjoy a sold-out stadium where people didn't come to see you.

And by the way, Mac Lemore has not been relevant at the music scene for 20 years. He's got two songs people care about. Right. I didn't know about anything. I could barely pronounce his name.

But those are a few things that were going on. The other thing I got to ask you about is Sidney Sweeney decides she wants to get involved in the betting in many ways. Yes. And has blessed her. Yeah.

Yes, he has. Right. So she says, hey, you got this betting form? I'd like to be investor. And she does what I think is a very provocative ad for you to bet with them.

Like you do a whole thing on betting. You have a show on betting.

So she's trying to get guys to bet. But they think she sold out the gender by having a racy ad where she looks sexy and the outfits are skimpy. Are you insulted? Let me just check. No, I have red blood coursing through my veins, Brian.

No one's truly offended by it. And this is, again, the hypocrisy of self-appointed moral compasses of our country that come from the entertainment world to the sports world. Why is Sidney Sweeney offensive? But, oh, I don't know. Serena Williams Naked and Sports Illustrated, their body issue.

Why is that empowering? It's the same thing. A beautiful woman who decided that she wanted to be naked in a magazine layout.

So you can't decide one's offensive and one's empowering. It's the same thing. I think at the end of the day, and I said this on my Outkick show: the only people that complained about it are just ugly.

Okay, I don't know if that's a stat that backs up. I'll get it up, but I did research on it. Ugly people don't like Sidney Sweeney because she's not ugly.

Well, how about Megan Rapino is ugly? Right. Megan Rapino? Yes. Well, no kidding.

She's ugly in every bit. I don't mean just looks-wise because people are- I have an analogy to help you your story, though. Megan Rapino's ex is, I forgot. Sue Bird. Sue Bird.

They were naked in the Sports Illustrated. Yes. So we weren't offended by that. Right. It was, hey, it's okay for me to get naked with my wife, but it's not okay for her to get naked.

And I want to be clear about something. When I say that Megan Rapino is ugly, I'm not talking about just her looks. I'm talking about the essence of her being. The anger. She's an ugly human being.

Yuck. Right. Sophie Cunningham, not ugly. Was asked to weigh in for you. Cut 23.

But why are girls mad? Like, that is literally what she does. Why is anyone mad? Like, that is, she, they, she is, it is a gambling ad. Men, sports, pretty much naked women.

Like, of course, that's going to draw attention. Again, do I agree with it? Uh, morally, I think it's kind of weird, but like, teach their own, go do your thing, sis. But at the end of the day, I'm really loving seeing all these girls who are powerful, strong, showing young girls what it looks like to actually be an athlete. Um, I don't think the ad was coming for women in sport.

Right, they're going for men in betting. It's like, listen, I know the 90% of the betting audience in this country happens to be male. Women do wager, but not nearly as much as men do.

So if I'm a brand new website that's competing against Fandil, DraftKings, Fanatics, and all the predictive markets like Polymarket and Calci, what's the quickest way to steal some market share? Currently, the most popular woman on the planet is Sidney Stringy. It'd be like 20 years ago saying, I'm going to use Pamela Anderson to be the face of my company. That's called smart marketing. One minute left.

I just got to ask you: Patrick McElro is on Capitol Hill this week, and he was saying, We got to stop with the foreigners and sports because you got to limit the amount of foreigners on these rosters. They come in at 23, they knock the 18-year-old Americans off. When it comes to tennis, water polo, soccer, we're getting knocked out. Division I athletes is all international. Do you agree with limiting foreign participation in Division I sports?

Limited. No, I think that's maybe the dumbest thing I've heard today, and I've heard a lot of dumb things already. I know it's early in the morning. How about we do this? How about we teach our kids how to play sports the right way?

And that's what's happening in Europe, especially in basketball. We live in a society with youth sports right now where it's, I want to copy the biggest personality, not the best player. We're doing a bad job raising great athletes. I vehemently disagree. But this could hurt our friendship.

Because when you have a 22-year-old German who just failed out of the academy in the Bundesliga, walks in and knocks out an 18-year-old from Syaset, you're okay with that.

Well, what is the 18-year-old from Syaset? Why is he put him in Division II? No, he isn't, but you put him in Division II? Yeah, I think sports is still based on meritocracy. If the German kid's better than the American kid, the German kid should be better.

Is this an American college or a world college?

Well, aren't all colleges worldly? Eric, Greg Garden. Listen to him on Outkick. He's really cool. Even when he disagrees with me.

I'm coming back every Friday, QMan. You haven't been invited. Oh, Outkick.com. How many years have we spent listening to politicians in Washington argue about how to make healthcare insurance more affordable? Obamacare was supposed to fix it.

Then we needed bigger government subsidies to make Obamacare affordable. Those subsidies expired, and guess what? People are paying more again at some point. Maybe the question isn't: how do we keep fixing the same system? Maybe the question is: what else is out there?

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Or visit weSharehealth.org. and take a look for yourself. Radio that makes you think. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. I think it's very promising, but I think the key that what you're looking at is what.

That whole region needs is not dissimilar to what the world needs, more energy infrastructure. You want to de-emphasize the strait. You want more ways to get that product out of the area. And so if you look at what are pipelines that can be built, are there pipelines that we could expand capacity for? And so in a lot of these cases, the president is looking long term of how do we change the entire energy landscape.

You see him do that here. That is Jared Agan talking about the need to get out of the straits, both of them. The Red Sea Strait as well as the Strait of Hermuz, because, and now they're blowing up. pipelines at Saudi Arabia going around the strait.

So how do you secure a pipeline that goes hundreds of miles, thousands of miles? It's almost impossible. It's going to build it under the ground. And even that wouldn't mean it's not, you know, even that means it could be. sabotaged.

We'll see. But it's definitely a time in which I don't understand. The Houthi rebels over the weekend met with our emissaries in Oman and said, We will not attack US and Israeli ships, our problems with Saudi Arabia. The Houthi rebels are shutting down that strait. They're taking over islands.

They're going to be in control. And believe me, the tolls are going to start with a request for tolls just like these idiots in Iran. I know we don't want to start a multi-front war. But we just got to pound them to oblivion, blow them away. And yes, Saudi Arabia has to know we have their back.

The fact that they got to go to Egypt and ask for help, I think, is pathetic. I do not like the way they've acted throughout all this. They've stopped us a couple of times. I understand that. But they're still our allies.

We had mutual agreements, and this is the time to show that we have their back. Vice Chairman, excuse me, Vice Admiral Robert Harwood, serves on President Bush's National Security Council, member of Jinza's Iran policy project. Admiral. First off, the challenge of the Houthis. How would you handle it?

Pollution. List, the Egyptians fought the Houthis decades ago. The Emiratis that fought the Houthis, the Saudis that fought the Houthis, the Israelis that fought the Houthis, we've all fought them. They were all at different times for different purposes. And in fact, when Saudi and Emiratis were fighting them, our policy was to undermine and stop the Saudis and Emiratis.

So this is the time you use political clout to bring together the Egyptians, the Saudis, the Emiratis, the U.S., and the Israeli. The Yemeni government, the Yemeni government, maybe the Yemeni government and solve this problem. If we don't, it's going to be a long-term problem. And so militarily, but we also have to cut out all their routes to supplies, to gas, to stuff, all the stuff we're doing with Iran on a smaller scale. But that same coalition and Proving militarily and politically that we can bring it together and effectively employ it to take out the surrogates, as the Israelis are doing with Hezbollah, has to be done and signifies not only to Iran, but the rest of the world that what's going to have to be done in this region, because every means to bypass the straits bypass the Bab el Madab will remain at risk for decades to come, be it pipelines, be it cyber activity.

We have to get down to the basic root cause, these governments and surrogates who believe in extreme Islam and controlling and managing their populations and promulgating that region.

So we've got to go to the root causes and solve that. And now is the time that it serves in the best interest of all those countries to come together to solve it. I agree with you. But they, you know, the Houthis wanted meet, and they said, listen, we don't have a problem with you. We said, please stay out of this.

But at the same time, they shut down the strait. Number one, I don't think we can stay out of this. We have to make a choice.

Now, why do you think that they would meet us? I mean, that's kind of unusual. We bombed them for 53 straight days. We put them back on the terror list. You know, Biden took them off and condemned the Saudis.

Uh as a pariah nation. That's how backwards he is.

So why do you think you d why do you think they would do that? They're scared of us.

Well, it's because they want to placate us. They want to take us. They know we have the ultimate solution, both politically, militarily, and economically.

So yeah, they want to placate us as much as they probably as much as a threat to them by doing that. It also eliminates, helps eliminate a main threat to their support entity, be it Iran.

So of course, and they know this administration likes making deals. There's no deal to be made here. We have to solve the problem.

So that's exactly what they're doing. Try to get us off of the, especially because they know we have the keys that can really do them the most damage in all of those realms.

So that's exactly, if they can get to talk to and negotiate, they don't have to worry about the threat we pose to them, much less the threat we pose by bringing together all the nations who can pose threats to them.

So hell yes, that's a very smart strategy on their behalf. And I can't believe we're going to buy into that.

So I hope we don't.

Meanwhile, Iran is looking to bypass the fact that we've shut down the strait. They can't get anything out and can't get anything in.

So they're beginning to send trucks to the border of Turkmenistan, of Turkey, of Afghanistan, and of Pakistan, and they can't get anything out. There's 3,700 cargo trucks stuck at the borders of Turkey and Pakistan. This, according to multiple sources, neither Iran Iran is taking responsibility for the situation, or is Pakistan allowing us to unload the cargo?

So you got truckers sitting in the middle of nowhere, 110-degree temperatures with a lot of perishable items, with no bathrooms, no facilities.

So they're all stuck at the border.

So that's the type of pressure we were talking about, Admiral, right? This is the type of thing that can break that country. That's right, Brian. That's right. I've said this day in, day out.

This is an illustration of our political power. And listen, at the end of the day, we could airstrike all those if we wanted, but it's better to have that political cooperation with Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, Azerbaijan, and others to shut down those lines. And that's what's happening. They're working with us through this political coalition to solve this problem.

So that's a great illustration of the additional power and how bad this is going for Iran. And you know where this is going, Brian. There's going to become a day in the not too distant future, no one in Iran can put, will have fuel for any of their vehicles, and no one can move product or people anywhere in the country. It unravels so quickly.

So just as you've illustrated, if they're not able to move anything to the borders, I hope the same thing is working in the Caspian, that no one's shipping stuff over.

So if we shut down the airspace, shut down the borders, and they can't resupply, they're doomed. It's inevitable. We've said this. What surprised me is how long it took to get this conclusion. We should have started this at day one, but thank God we're on it now.

And I think, Brian, that this has the possibility of solving this before the midterms, because you're seeing now you're seeing the real effects of not just the military power, but the economic power and political power. And this is absolutely crushing the government of Iran. And making their people suffer to the point where they have no other. other choice but to turn on the government.

So it's inevitable in my mind.

So obviously the one thing that could change before the midterms, not that you're a political person, would be seeing Tehran fall to their people. to watch that regime overrun. The President says I have a big decision to make. Do I go for total annihilation or do I let what's happening now play out? Do you believe we have the arsenal, the the munitions?

to go for annihilation if we partner with the IDF.

Well, again, I'm not a fan of annihilation. I'm a fan of capitulation. Look, ultimately Iran is going to rebuild for its people. All those seven, and I think it's 75, 80 million of the total 90 to 95 million people have wanted this regime gone. At the end of the day, they're going to have to be fed, they're going to have to shelter, they're going to need gas.

So, this incredible reconstitution development that's going to have to end at the end of this conflict. But ultimately, Complete annihilation. I hope that doesn't mean all the infrastructure and all, although we've done that. It's really those steps that force the government of Iran to renounce the Islamic revolution, be it the IRGC. And hopefully the best method is to have that happen internally.

So I think the long-term path is established and that will happen. It's just a matter of when, not if.

So the point in our arsenals, the real issue for our arsenals and our military powder is to eradicate and stop them from projecting power, you know, launching missiles and drones, because that's all they really have left. Their surrogates, Hezbollah, is decimated. They still have the Houthis, but if we put this coalition together, we can solve that. But internal to Iran, that's all they have.

So our military should be focused on that part of the problem.

Well, we could also have a coalition of Intel and others working the internal issues. of Iran to support that regime political. Policy change. Would you just take out Carg Island? Would you just take out Carg Island?

Would you just take out Carg Island? Well, that's one option is bridges and roads are another options. Other sources of, but again, rebuilding Carg Island for the further, instead of destroying, I would just seize it or make sure no one has access and can use it.

So when this does change, we can reconstitute quickly.

So I'm a fan. And everyone poo-poo. Let me make sure everyone understands. And you saw this recently. Seizing Carg Island is easier to do than the pilot recovery we did.

The Mew could go in and take Carg Island hold. The threat of doing that is from the Iranian drones and missiles.

So again, you saw the after action on that pilot recovery. That was almost 100 aircraft, 200 people boots on the ground, concentric circles of fire support. It was huge. Carg Island would be an easier operation than taking. That pilot, but the threat once you have Karg Island is Iran launching missiles and drones against our people on Karg Island.

So I'm not for destroying it, I'm for seizing it or making it a kill zone. No one comes, goes, no ships, nothing goes on the island.

So there are a lot of ways to seize it. You're going to have to land with some type of Patriot or a missile battery to be able to knock those drones out, maybe or surround it with destroyers that have those capabilities, the missiles that can shut down, the SeaWids that can take out drones.

So there's a lot of ways to protect our people on it. But I would prefer that approach as opposed to destroying the facility, knowing how valuable it will be to rebuilding Iran when the government has changed. Right. And the thing is, it would bring up oil prices. And that's one thing we don't need.

Well, just destroy. Admiral, let me just bring you to something else. It may lower oil prices. Two questions, real quick. How many people have you been in touch with in Iran over the last week, and what is the mood?

Oh, I'd say about 12 to 15. And the mood is they're ready to go. In fact, one of my closest friends there said, hey, all I need is close air support. We don't need boots on the ground. We just need close air support, which means if could we put a Kurd, a former Iranian who knows how to close in post-support, give him communication, put him one of the towns that are ready to go to flip that town and expand from there.

So again, no U.S. boots on the ground, but I need some boots on the ground who can get the comm gear in, who know how to call in that close air support, could act as if they were U.S. boots on the ground, but a different nationality. Would you, when the Gulf states come in for the U.N., they're going to be a meeting with the president. Is this their chance, our chance to lace them up together and come up with a coordinated plan on offense?

Or do you want to stay with the denial of finances and materials? I think it's both, Brian. We need the coalition. If at this point, not only our Arab partners, but our European partners don't realize the significance and importance. of what is going on here, not just with Iran and the people there, but the Houthis in Yemen, and how significant this is to our other adversaries who were there ultimately just surrogates for China and Russia, then they're blind.

And so I do think this is one of those opportunities for the president of the administration, the Americans to illustrate why we are leaders and how important this is to them. to us and the rest of the free world.

So yes, I think we have a unique opportunity to really build those coalitions. All right.

Lastly, I want you to hear Hassan Piker describe America. As you know, he's a voice on the left. Wife, I don't like to get you involved in politics, but I do think we need an expert who fights the war on terror regularly to come and cut one. You once said that. America is the top dog in terrorism.

Do you think America, then, is worse than Al-Qaeda? Pound for pound, as far as the number of deaths. Yes, we have caused tremendous terror all around the world. Do you agree with that? That makes me violently ill.

Just not just for the sheer ignorance of it, if nothing else. If you haven't watched terrorism evolve starting in with 1979 and how it has destroyed. Countries ruin the lives of millions of people across the globe, then I just don't know what planet you're on, much less the people are people who were killed throughout the region and beyond.

So I just can't believe someone is that. That ignorant or naive to make a statement like that. They don't understand the basics of good and evil. It's just, I find that completely unbelievable, and it makes me a little sick to my stomach. Yeah, unfortunately, so many people feel that way.

It's a little scary. And hopefully, they don't end up in elective office and access to our intelligence. Admiral Robert Harwood, thanks so much. Thanks, Brian. Always good to be with you.

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We're heard around the country, around the world. Josh Krashauer is going to be on this hour, going to bring us inside the midterms and get some of that analysis. And also, we're going to have privilege with us a visiting professor at the International Relations at NYU, the Iranian-American scholar and a former political prisoner released as part of the Iranian deal back in 2015. Really has connections inside Iran. I got to find out what's happening there about the delegation that's coming here for the UN General Assembly.

It's going to be Kian Taj Bakish, and he's going to be on with us in a matter of moments. And before we get to the professor, let's get to the big three. Numbers throw. You're gonna come into Bob Kraft's house and spit in his face? No way.

That's not censorship. Everyone now is like, oh, Bob Kraft got McLemore fired. That's censorship, freedom of speech. This ain't freedom of speech, Omi. He owns the stadium.

It's his house. I hear you. Ed Sheeran is out because Mack Lemore will not be there.

So now no warm-up acts. Will Ed Sheeran be canceled as well? It looks like it. The fallout underlines for me the anti-Semitic rage in America, especially with the younger generation. Why Bob Kraft did the right thing?

Number two. President Trump, who is set to meet with leaders from six Gulf countries on the sidelines of the UN next week, told Axios that he's approaching a critical juncture and weighing a decision on whether to restart massive attacks to bring the conflict to a close. That is Jackie Heinrich, the world coming to town for the UN General Assembly. Two meetings that will define Trump's second term will take place. Meeting with the Chinese president and Gulf state confab.

They're going to game plan, a plan to win against Iran, I hope. Number one. You once said that. America is the top dog in terrorism. Yes.

Do you think America then is worse than Al-Qaeda? Pound for pound, as far as the number of deaths. Yes, we have caused tremendous terror all around the world. So uneducated, so damaging, and he's a Democrat. Attention, all Dems.

You have a Hassan Piker problem and socialism problem, and it isn't going away. We will discuss what it means and how the GOP can capitalize. That's their lifeline. You know, tradition and history says the party in power pays a price. Inflation is high.

That usually is really detrimental. But as long as there's people like that speaking for the Democratic Party and others coming forward, like what's happening in New Hampshire, what's happening in Michigan, what's happening with these Congress congressional candidates in New York and Chicago, as well as New Jersey and Colorado. They're talking stuff that is just flat out against our Constitution. And to me, that's not a big tent. If that's my tent, I'm kicking them out.

But that's just me. But the main story that's really affecting the election, even though we don't talk about it enough. is what's happening in Iran. And a God that can bring us inside Iran and give us great context and context is Professor Kian Taj Bakish, the visiting professor at NYU, who was a Was held in prison in Iran, thankfully, is out. Professor, welcome back.

Thank you, Brian. Good morning.

So, Professor, the President says, I'll just paraphrase. He says, I got a big decision to make. Do I go in there hard and go from complete annihilation, or do I continue all types of this pressure, this economic fury that we're in the middle of now? What do you think?

Well, I mean, we've heard these options many times before.

So, I mean, the option, I mean, The president really has three options in front of him. One was represented by the MOU that was signed by the Vice President in June. That was the Memorandum of Understanding, which, in my view, and I wrote at the time, and I think we spoke at the time, I thought was really a bad deal for the United States. That is basically giving Iran the store and walking away from the Gulf. The second option is what he's talking about now.

I mean, he's raising it, which is to go big. And to restart a much more massive military operation to weaken the regime even more. The third strategy is the economic strangulation strategy, which Secretary Besson is managing. And so amongst those three, I think a combination of the economic strategy and a kind of military strategy is the one that makes sense. And I think we should really avoid.

You know, I want to say, Brian, I was listening to your intro. We're at a very dangerous moment in the United States, both for our country and for the U.S. role in the world. You know, the red-green alliance that Senator Cruz talked about. The influence of anti-Israel, anti-Semitism in the Democratic Party is something that the Iranian regime is looking at very, very carefully.

It's saying that, look, These people are saying what we are saying. They are anti-Israel. And if we can just wait out President Trump, we may be able to have a Democratic Party that basically allows us to attack Israel even more. And that's something they're looking at very, very carefully. They're seeing this happening inside American society.

And they're saying we should bite our time.

So, in terms of what the U.S. should be doing inside Iran, I don't.

So, number one, we should not go back to the MOU. That was a disaster for American interests. President Vance was obviously, Vice President Vance was obviously speaking to a large part of the American public that what came out against so-called forever wars. But the reality is that America is a superpower and that America has global interests which are U.S. interests.

So walking away from the Gulf would be a massive blow to U.S. interests.

So that's not what we should be doing. We should be continuing for the American strategy to continue the economic strangulation. But unfortunately, I don't see right now a successful military operation being mounted because there's lots of talk about depletion of munitions. There's lots of talk about the damage that has been done to American bases. And also, U.S.

diplomacy seems to. to be a little bit Um, you know, unfocused. I mean, why are we sitting down talking with the Houthis in Oman? Uh, Houthis are an Iran, not only Iran-backed, they are Iran-managed terrorist organization that Iran is using to pressure the United States and Europeans and the Gulf Arabs by closing down the Red Sea, just as they are threatening Hormuz.

So, I think at the moment. I don't see the end of military operations happening anytime soon, maybe until the end of President Trump's time in office. And so for now, I think for the American interest, it's to squeeze economically and see if they can bring Iran not only to the table, because Iranians love to come to the table, for the Iranian regime to make significant concessions that the U.S. wants. Yeah, they're getting on crypto now big time and they're doing a good job forensically with Scott Besson.

We've gotten pretty good at finding out how terrorists are funded and we're beginning to pressure there. There were 3,700 cargo trucks who've been stuck at the borders of Turkey and Pakistan. They can't get through. They're sitting there in the 110-degree weather with cargo that could be rotting as we speak.

So anybody who thought they can go over land to make up for the blockade, they're not getting that. I also think that if we were to do anything. You have to get the IDF involved.

So, if there's going to be a massive military operation, the IDF with their intelligence to know where Vahidi is and all these other leaders are would be a benefit. I'll add to the Houthis. The Houthis asked for that meeting in Oman, and they said, hey, we don't have a problem with you. We don't have a problem with Israel. We just want to fight Saudi Arabia.

But our problem is with them. And we should not allow they are shutting down these the straight over in the Red Sea.

So they're already costing us.

So we're being we're being manipulated by the Houthis, who want no part of us after the fifty three days of bombing. Absolutely, Brian. Listen, I mean, that talking point should be dismissed immediately. The Houthis are a proxy of the Islamic Republic of Iran. They are funded.

They were created by the Islamic Republic of Iran out of some indigenous forces that existed in Yemen. Iran's goal in Yemen is to do what they've done with Hezbollah in Lebanon.

So, this is their strategy, the Hezboization of the Saudi Arabia Peninsula around the Red Sea.

So, I wouldn't take that seriously. And I think that the idea that we sit down and talk with people who are against us, I mean, you should listen to the leader of the philosophy. of the Houthis, it's not true that it says they have no problem with us. They want to eliminate Israel, and Israel is an ally and it's a legitimate country in the region. And of course they want to control the Red Sea.

And the United States cannot give that over to a group which is essentially controlled by Iran, which we're at war with. Iranian American scholar now at NYU, former political prisoner. Professor Kian Taj Bakish is with us now. And, Professor, so. There's going to be a meeting with the Gulf States and the President at the General Assembly.

Now, some of them are angry, some of them are disillusioned, some of them are happy, some of them just want to put a way forward. All of that stuff matters. But Saudi Arabia is the most interesting because they stopped us twice from amping up the pressure in the Gulf and say you can't use our bases if you're going to do freedom, Operation Freedom. And they did it again.

So now they say help us with the Houthis. I'm so I'm for helping them. With the nugget of saying, don't stop us again, and don't cut off our bases. Because it's in our interest to protect not only their pipelines but their access.

So what would you do, Professor? I would, you know, I mean, I obviously am not in the room there talking about logistics. I would step back and say, look. What has been exposed and become very clear over the last six months or even a year since the Of the nuclear facilities over the last year is that the United States needs a grand strategy, an understanding of what the grand strategy is in the Middle East. It should not be approaching these problems piecemeal.

It should not be seeing the question of the Houthis separately from the question of the Iranians. And it should not be seeing the Red Sea as separate from Hormuz. These are one coordinated strategy by the opponents of the United States to pressure the US and its allies. Saudi Arabia is a partner, it is an ally, and there are obviously many dimensions of the economic and political relationship between the US that should continue. But I think that what the Arab Gulf states are seeing.

When they look at the United States, is there seeing Um What looks to them is great confusion and lack of clarity about what the United States actually. Wants in the Middle East and what it sees as the long-term plan. I mean, the June MOU with Iran must have been an enormous shock. To all of the Arab states and even to Israel. I mean, I heard very senior people from the region, both in Israel and the Arab states, who were just saying, just shaking their head and saying, what on earth is going on?

I hear you. I hear you. I agree. And so I think the big issue is that. You know, it may be a long time ago, but many of your, you know, maybe your listeners should go back and read.

They can look it up on Google very easily. Look up the January 1980 executive order by President Jimmy Carter. And it's being called now the Carter Doctrine. And in it, it states very clearly in one paragraph: it says that. Uh it is the official policy of the United States that any any threat Any threat to freedom of navigation in the Persian Gulf.

Will be considered, and these are the important points, will be considered an attack on the vital interests of the United States, and any such threat will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force.

Now, that is a very clear statement of what. Um is obviously behind Uh, U.S. policy. In other words, why are we there? Why does the United States have naval assets there?

Why is the United States engaged in trying to open the strait? But that is a very clear statement that it is a vital interest of the United States to protect that.

Now, either the administration. Goes to the American people and says, you know what? We don't, we want to revise. This Uh statement of grand strategy and say We don't think the Persian Gulf is anymore a vital interest for us, and we want to pack up and we want to go home. That is essentially what the MOU.

More or less. If you look at the even, you know, the wording was more or less. You know what I would do, Professor? That was so good. I did not know that existed.

And an executive order like that be something that you'd see so valuable inside the State Department, be able to talk to them. But, and that would be true. I think if this is my portfolio now and the MOU happened, we can't take it back. Hey, guys, you were a little naive when you cut that. I know what your approach was, 60 days to do a deal.

I know you wanted to get oil down, but you realize what a mistake that was in the message. And you know that you gave them the deal of a lifetime and they didn't take it. They still shot at your ships.

So we live here.

So help me. give you an idea of how to land this plane. And that's what I that's how I would start the meeting. Yeah, exactly.

Well, I mean, what I would also say is. Is I would actually have a meeting before a meeting with the Gulf states and go back and say, and by the way, it's not just the 1980 executive order, the Carter Doctrine, all president national security strategies throughout the years, even the last national security strategy the Trump administration published. Actually, it says this. I mean, it includes this. It's been a fixed objective of the United States and now.

I think what we do is we have a meeting. You know, I would say, I mean, I You know, no one's asking me. I would love to be asked, but I would. Professor, I'm up against the break real quick.

Okay, get your grand strategy first and go into the meeting and tell our allies that it is still a vital interest, and we are going to redo our strategy and forget about the MOU, and we're going to go forward on the basis of that executive order. Yep, fix it. That's what you're feeling is fix it, get it right, because the mission is needed. Professor, thanks so much. Back in a moment.

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Yeah, I went a little long with the professor, man, but it's so good to get somebody that actually understands what our enemy is up to. And that is not the Iranian people, but the Iranian government. It is such a dramatic difference between the two. And even he is reluctant, as is Admiral Horwood from last hour, a different hour in the show on this Friday. They've both been in Iran for a substantial period of time.

They don't want us to wreck the place. Because they just want us to get rid of the government. I don't know if you can do both. But the President does have a big decision to make. And it all depends on the intelligence he gets about the damage we're doing with Operation Economic Fury and everything else surrounding, as well as the blockade, and see where we go.

And then look at our inventory and how long it will take, as well as dealing in the IDF. And then our base has got to be protected. And so do our allies. A lot to think about, but that's why he's president. The talk show that's getting you talking.

You're with Brian. and killmead. But right now, you know, I feel like I lost to Hassan Piker. I mean, you know, heard what he say yesterday, you know, that we're America's worse than Al-Qaeda.

Now, Democrats will defend him, campaign with him, or won't criticize him now. That is Senator Vetterman, and he just feels as though he almost emotionally lost when Hassan Piker speaks and. Abdul El Syed won, and he feels like he's isolated. And if you look at the poll, sadly, in the Democratic Party, I saw the last poll, he's only 19% approval rating.

So if he's going to run, it'll be as an Independent or Republican for another six years. There's just no more, I would say, moderate Republicans, excuse me, Democrats. That don't hate Republicans? In the Senate, and people say Brian's not a moderate. He votes 85% of the time with his party.

But when it comes to Israel, our strong national defense, and our border, He's he speaks right along with almo uh almost Every Republican, Josh Krashauer joins us now, Fox News's radio political analyst and editor-in-chief of the Jewish Insider. Hey, Josh, I'm shocked at how Hassan Pikah really threw a grenade at the Democrats with that series of interviews he did.

Okay. Yeah, I I well, I'm not shocked because this guy Is a true believer. He's been saying these types of anti-American, pro-terrorist. and pro-China rhetoric for many, many years. It's actually kind of remarkable that, and I give a lot of credit to Axios' Alex Thompson for being one of the few journalists to actually.

ask him the tough questions and follow up and and really press him given his record of extremism that hasn't been done. He made lots of anti-Semitic comments. It was ignored by the press. Finally, his rhetoric got so beyond the pale, and it's finally getting another round of coverage because his worldview is so sickening to a lot of Americans. Um but the interesting thing now is Someone like El Syed, who used him as a surrogate in the primary campaign.

I don't think he can get away with just saying he's just a social media streamer from California that I had enough. I mean, it takes a lot of hooks by to put to use a Yiddish word to actually deny your relationship with him when he was one of the most prominent surrogates on the campaign trail with you during the primary campaign. And you've been on four times. You've been on his podcast for hours, four separate times. Yeah, it's harder to hold, and it's hard, and because of El Sayed's own comments, connections about 9-11 and about affiliation with certain imams and religious figures.

I mean, there's going to be a lot more where that came from.

So, you know, this is kind of stunning that Michigan, given the political environment, Michigan is a neck-and-neck race. It's all because El Syed is a very problematic figure, and the connections with Pikers is a big part of that story. But the other story is the Democratic Party's unwillingness to just draw red lines against this guy. They certainly don't want to talk about him, but there's a moral test here for the Democratic Party. And one thing we've been covering at Jewish Insider, the University of Texas College Democrats chapter invited Hassan Piker, the featured speaker, next week.

Uh Uh there at the end of the month. Like that's a Democrat. I mean that that's how Democrats and Texas University of Texas is affiliated with the National Democratic Party. And is anyone saying that this person should not be representative of the party in a red state of all places and at the University of Texas? Like that's an issue where leadership matters, where the Democratic Party leadership need us to draw red lines if they don't want to be associated with this guy.

So it'll be interesting to see who is willing to kind of You know, stand up for that test and stick up for their values, and who was willing to just, you know. Pump this can down the road and have it cause more problems for the party and for some of their candidates. Yeah, I want you to hear some of the give and take. Here he is with Alex Thompson talking about how great it would be for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, CUD 7. Do you think the Middle East would be more stable if Iran had a nuclear weapon?

I believe yes. I think that the Middle East would be more stable. Having said that, once again, I'm not advocating. I'm not trying to send Iran enriched nuclear uranium, nuclear grade enriched uranium. But with respect to Iran, I think the nuclear conversation is a distraction.

Time and time again, they have shown the Iranian government. Regardless of whether you want to trust them or not, you can just look at their actions, have proven that they are utilizing the conversation of enriched uranium. As a point of leverage to bring America back to the table to get sanctions relief. What's he even talking about? He's using a nuclear issue to get sanctions relief.

There would be very few sanctions on Iran if they had no nuclear program. Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of the confusion among young people who listen to this, Hassan Piker, and it's just an inability to tell the difference between right and wrong. I mean, that was in many ways Senator Lindsey Graham's legacy. Like, he was able to speak in clear moral clarity and understand who the bad guys and who the good guys were.

And there are a lot of problems with Hassan Piker and with a lot of the candidates that kind of imbibe this worldview. But the fundamental issue is they can't tell the difference between a dictatorship that kills its own citizens like Iran and a democracy like Israel. And then Hamas is a terrorist group that is among the most evil organizations in the world, is seen on the same moral plane as liberal-minded democracies. I mean, that is the fundamental issue. And that's why Hassan Piker says nice things about China.

It's why he praises map. It's why he literally has a soft spot for every rogue dictator in the world and has got vitriol against the America and against our closest allies.

So there's a pattern there. It's not a coincidence. And I don't, I'm sort of stunned that like people don't see how sinister and really scary, frankly, this guy's ideology is. Right. And I see this guy, Amar Musa.

I don't know if you know him. He's a former white Kamala-Harris campaign spokesperson. He said, quote, Someone explained to me why he, of all people, feels like he should be doing a media tour less than 50 days from the election. He's an individual that just declared that we're worse than al-Qaeda, and Democrats are campaigning with him, and our base loves him. That's what John Fetterman followed up, obviously, to say.

Peter Wells said, obviously, he's an issue, and Abdul is going to be addressing that and has been addressing that. Listen, this is their problem. I feel like I'm watching a family fight, and people are saying, well, break it up. I'm thinking, no, why don't you guys break it up? You started it.

You brought him onto the stage. You handle it.

Well, and look, it takes leaders to speak out to actually fix the problem. Look at Graham Plattner, who was also a heartthrob for a lot of those same folks on the left. And every scandal and every ridiculous and extreme thing he did seemed to be excused by many of these same people. And it took, you know, it finally took the the accusations of rape to do him in. Um but it it but but really what did I mean is whenever but finally the party leader said enough is enough.

Like this guy cannot be associated with the Democratic Party. It's not hard for DNC Chairman Ken Martin to say that. It's not hard for a lot of leading Democratic figures, starting with Chuck Schumer who's the head of the head of the set send a leader and someone who's involved very closely with the political campaigns to to say something. He hasn't. And you know, look, I I think it's at their own you know, at their own risk.

They're they they the the party needs to have a much better brand heading into twenty twenty eight, if not twenty twenty six. And to be associated with these types of figures is going to really do damage to the image of the Democratic Party that hasn't done that already. I want you to hear some of the exchanges. Simone Sanders, who was a spokesperson for Harris, cut eight. How how is what you're doing helping people win?

So great question. My theory is that The anger And my beliefs are far closer to the majority position. Than the beliefs demonstrated by the National Democratic Party, which is a very important thing. How do you know that? But wait, what beliefs are you talking about?

Because I think that there are things that you and I agree on, and then I'm very sure there's many things that you and I do not agree on. But I am the base of the Democratic Party. And so for you to say that most people agree with you, I just painting. Yeah, well, I think you're painting with a broad stroke brush.

So, I mean, he's trying to say I'm you. Yeah. I mean, look. He he th look I think the problem the Democrats have is A lot of them are framing this as a political issue. And of course, Someone who says the things that Hassan Piker says is going to and it's not rocket science, no, this is politically damaging.

be associated with any of these these these these positions. I mean, he may not understand that, but clearly almost every Democrat. That's why they're trying to ignore him or trying to move past it. Um But they the I think the challenge is that they were willing to use him during the primary and they didn't and we covered this before the general election season and Democrats were willing to excuse they thought it was absurd that we were asking about Hassan Piker. They didn't want to talk talk about it.

Even moderate Democrats did not want to talk about it. talk about the issue. I thought it was ridiculous that we were a social media streamer. Clearly he has influence with a segment of the left-wing Gen Z base. And it takes leaders, it takes people to speak out and say this is unacceptable.

And that's what institutions do. That's what parties do. And even the people who are saying the right things that this guy should not shut up for the next 50 days, it's always done through this political lens. And I think, you know, especially for a party that has railed against Trump and has really tried to position themselves as sort of the You know, the morally better party over the last decade. This really undermines that brand significantly.

And it it actually is sort of shocking that no one, even the people who s are saying that this guy for political reasons shouldn't be out there. Can someone say that, like someone who compares the U.S. to Al-Qaeda, that quote was just shocking to see that yesterday, that that's wrong and it's obscene and that this guy should not be viewed as any kind of role model to his listeners. All right.

Now, the other thing is going to the midterms. This is the best thing that could happen to Republicans because almost in every poll there's reason to be not happy. Does the Trump administration have a clear strategy to win in Iran? Only 26 percent say yes. Which party would be better at handling a foreign policy?

Only 53, 43 Democrats on top. President Trump's job performance is between 37 and 39. In the long run, current U.S. military action against Iran will make 30 to only 32 percent say make us safer.

So this has not been communicated well. It's lasted longer than anybody thought. But I do think the president's foreign policy was forward-thinking. He's basically taking his hemisphere back while building up our military, trying to get up to $1.5 trillion. But it looks like people want to.

Joe Biden, let's leave Afghanistan in the most humiliating way possible foreign policy. And you couldn't be more confused when it came to would you defend Taiwan.

So, having said with these numbers, what do you think could happen over the next 40-plus days?

Well, it looks like right now Iran with using its Proxies. the hooties. are trying to cause as much problems as possible for the President in in you know in in creating more more choke points in in in the region than than ever before.

So I mean look they they understand the political pressure points that Trump has facing look I think Trump talked about this before Brian but Yeah. all work. sticking to the message consistently about the need to defeat the Iranians and prevent their ability to get a nuclear weapon and threaten our allies in the region. I mean, that's a clear message, but we don't hear it every day and we get all kinds of different points made from folks in the administration. I think that's part of the challenge.

Even a lot of Trump supporters don't know what to say when talking about Iran because there has not been that consistent message. Um and look I I think now Trump's acknowledging obviously the the Okay.

So Joel and past the midterms. But you have to explain to the American public why the fight is worth fighting. I think it's a pretty clear answer in terms of the threat that Iran has always posed and continues to pose. Not just to the region, but to the United States. But we're not hearing that as much consistently from the White House.

And there's been a lot of, when the polls get tough or the markets go down, there's been a lot of willingness to kind of trumpet diplomacy or to say that, you know, we'll go back to the bargaining table. And that's what confuses a whole lot of voters, especially those within the Republican Party base.

So I think communication and being clear about what your goals are, I think they're very noble goals to constrain Iran. But it hasn't been coming loud and clear all the time from the White House. All right.

So let's talk about AI. The data centers last week. Oh, my goodness, we can't have a data center, the world will end. And now we can't, if we continue with AI, the world will end. I'm beginning to feel pandemic, the green energy, the Y2K.

Doesn't this feel the same? I'm not saying AI is not a legitimate issue like we've never seen before, but all of a sudden the hysteria on the right after President Obama makes his speech is impossible not to think is ginned up.

So I think two things can be true at the same time. the hype from some of these uh you know we we we haven't seen sort of the kind of independent verification of the the this this Yeah. this this AI program can kind of take on its own a life of its own and do what causes all kinds of damage.

Well, ultimately, like humans are programming the AI. Like humans are telling the AI what to do.

So if they didn't have like appropriate security controls, if they didn't prevent the AI program that they wrote to to to to not do X, Y and Z, like that's on the humans. That that's on the company's fault. I mean that's that's the responsibility of Anthropic and OpenAI and all the other companies involved in these ventures. I think that also, I mean. Does suggest that, like, I mean, any new tech, any new tech development, usually there is a light regulatory touch that you need to have rules of the road.

It's like in sports. You need to have some rules to play the game and to have a successful sports league. And I think it's the same with any new emerging technology, that it's important to have some basic rules of the road, basic regulations that don't, you know, that don't hamstring the industry, but allow everyone to be on the same level playing field and understand we need to have some things to prevent. tail risk. That may not happen or may not likely happen, but it's just, yeah, I just think that's an important thing for any industry.

It's been, you know, it's kind of common sense, I think. I think there's been a... Does it the political I think tone deafness. Uh the Bernie Sanders, Greg Kassar. Let's kill AI.

That's not where the public is, and that's not smart policy. But the fact that there seems to be a resistance to any kind of light regulation and setting some standards for the industry coming from Washington, I think that's the bigger issue. I think there's a 80% support for kind of light. basic rules of the road regulation that has surprisingly not been ever really talked about. And I think that's something that has political momentum, and it'll be wise of the White House to get ahead of it so it's not you don't have the Bernie Sanders and the very far left folks.

who uh I think have very anti-progress. Their work is very anti-progress. win hamstring, a big part of the economy. I'm like, you want that side to win out, but they're responsible. You actually have to have your own set of kind of basic and mindful regulations.

Josh, it's always great to talk to you. Thanks so much. Josh Crasher, I appreciate it. Thanks, Brian. You got it.

Back in a moment. Both sides. All opinions. Yeah. It's Brian Killmead.

He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's bright. and kill me. That could cause serious problems for commerce and communications all over the world if we're not serious about fixing it. Don't just sit back and wait for problems to occur.

Call 188 USA 4Y2K. And all the computers are going to go crazy and. It's gonna be a big problem. I won't lie to you. There are real dangers.

And I think for too long, the industry lied to people. AI wants things itself. And that's what makes it so... Unique as a technology, and why it's so uniquely terrifying. It's a huge safety risk.

And as a representative from Silicon Valley, I'm very concerned.

Sound familiar?

So Y2K, the year two thousand, twenty six years ago, obviously, nothing happened. And then the pandemic. You better wear a mask. Outside, you better wear a mask. If you're in your car by yourself, you better wear a mask.

If you don't get vaccinated, how dare you? We will all die. The world will end if we continue with the combustion engine. Look at the Al Gore documentary. The world should have been ended 10 years by now.

And everybody who's saying the Paris climate change, when President Trump got out of it, they said the world would end. And now, this week, we went from data centers are bad, which they're not. Done responsibly. They're necessary. You all need them.

And every community would want them. We'll explain. If you don't, that's your choice. But explained right, we need them. Just as I exhaled on that, even though that's still going to be a campaign issue, out comes President Obama saying, if I'm Akeem Jeffers, after a meeting with Akeem Jeffries and after making a series of speeches at his own fundraisers, he came out and said, you make AI the number one issue, AI safety.

People are worried about it. Make them know that you're the party that cares about it. And now, next thing you know, it's an emergency. And guess who's leading the charge? The guy with the least credibility on the planet who's never accomplished anything except for pulling the willow over our eyes that socialism actually works and that he has actually done something productive to prove it.

Bernie Sanders. Is the one leading the charge. He's the North Star on this. I've been listening to every podcast, listen to as many experts as possible. I'm lucky enough to get a lot of them on the show.

There are serious things to take into consideration, there's things that are unprecedented. But James Clyburn, who got his first AI app last week, is not going to tell me the world's going to end. and have me believe it. I don't know anybody in Washington that will. But I love the Chinese coming to town and they made it clear.

Huawei, executive, made it clear. We're going to move faster.

So I'd like to move faster too. Is that okay? From high atop, Fox. News headquarters in New York City. Always seeking solutions, never sowing division.

It's Brian Kilmead. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. It's the Brian Killmeat Show, and thanks for being with me all week long. Jackie Heinrich is standing by. She's a senior White House correspondent, co-host of the Sunday briefing.

She's got a big show coming up this weekend. She'll discuss it. And also, the latest from the White House. There's a lot of moving parts. And guess what?

Jackie's coming here.

So is the world. The General Assembly is coming right here to America. And before we get to Jackie, and I also have. The authors of Uh everywhere millionaire. Who is really rich in America and how they got there?

Owen Zeider and Eric Zwick is going to be with us. Essentially, they believe the American dream's alive, as do I.

So let's get to the big three. Number three. You're gonna come into Bob Kraft's house and spit in his face? No way. That's not censorship.

Everyone now is like, oh, Bob Kraft got McLamore fired.

Well, that's censorship, freedom of speech. This ain't freedom of speech, homie. He owns the stadium. It's his house. You have the Edge Heeron McLemore fallout underlines the anti-Semitic rage in America's next generation and even around the globe.

Why Bob Kraft and others simply are doing the right thing? Number 10. President Trump, who is set to meet with leaders from six Gulf countries on the sidelines of the UN next week, told Axios that he's approaching a critical juncture and weighing a decision on whether to restart massive attacks to bring the conflict to a close. There's Jackie. World coming to town for the UN General Assembly.

Two meetings that will define Trump's second term will take place. A meeting with the Chinese President Xi and the Gulf states Comfab.

So it's supposed to take place sometime somewhere this week in this city. Number one. You once said that. America is the top dog in terrorism. Yes.

Do you think America, then, is worse than Al-Qaeda? Pound for pound, as far as the number of deaths. Yes, we have caused tremendous terror all around the world. Unbelievable, right? Attention, all Democrats.

You've got a Hassan Piker problem and a socialism problem, and it isn't going away. We will discuss it and what it means and how the GOP could possibly take advantage, even though the numbers look pretty bleak right now. Jackie Heinrich joins us. Jackie, welcome back. Thanks for having me, Brian.

Jackie, I know you and Peter rotate. Is this your week? Not my week. It's Peter's week.

So he's going to have to preview his show. I am, however, going to be on Fox News Sunday filling in for Shannon this weekend. And we've just finished our lineup.

So we've got some big guests on the topics we're just previewing. You want to tell us? Sure. We have an expert from the White House actually talking about the AI security risks. This is a person who was.

Sort of a builder of the policy that the White House has adopted, where they say, look, we can't rein this thing in because China is only going to Try to lap us. And also talking to Dave McCormick, senator from Pennsylvania, about that and also the Iran war, the UN General Assembly, the G meeting, the tariffs, all of it. And Senator Peter Welch to talk about the Democrats' persistent Hassan Piker problem and other matters. Yes, it's hard for them not to answer when he's doing a bunch of interviews.

So you can't say, well, who cares about a podcaster? How long that will fly?

So, Jackie, I want to talk about AI for a second. It's just kind of interesting that all of a sudden this has become a rage. I'm not saying it's not a legitimate issue. It's kind of fun to talk about because there's such depth to it. And to talk to these people about what's next, and no one really knows for sure.

But I'm just noticing China weighing in. They're concerned, but they're not stopping. The Huawei executive yesterday urging Chinese AI companies to step on the gas and catch up with the leading U.S. labs. A bit of a contrast between what we're hearing from Silicon Valley.

And we have Alex Karp. Came in yesterday, CEO of Palantir, and said, if we did not have adversaries that we have, I would be very much in favor of pausing the technology, but we do. Eric Smith, former CEO and executive of Google, told Fox Business, China is very smart. They know what they're doing. A six-month pause on research into AI would simply benefit China.

So these are people that I don't really put with a party. You know, Alex Karp seems to lean right, but don't tell me that Schmidt leans right. He doesn't lean right.

Well, if you want to get into the politics of this, there was an interesting article as an opinion essay written by President Biden's former top State Department official who led the 2024 safety talks on AI with China, Seth Center. And he said, look, all of you calling for a temporary truce, a detente, some sort of an international framework that we would all back off at the same time must be smoking something because we've been there, we've seen that movie before, and we know that China has no interest in anything except for advancing their own strategic interests and capabilities. There's a line from it. He said, Chinese officials steered talks away from the potential risks for hours. They demured when explaining their domestic regulations, despite having the regulators in the room.

They chided us on our concerns about AI. They portrayed our safety approach as a barrier to unlocking technologies, opportunities away for poorer countries not to have access. They unfurled proposals for sub-dialogues that would have resulted in endless procedural diplomacy.

So they want to bog us down in any conversation about stopping. And that's Biden's former top expert who handled the China talk saying that. Yeah, I mean, that's very significant. That's a great call, a great grab on your part, too. It's just not an option.

I'm just wondering, too, you just see orchestration in some of it. I mean, there's when you see President Obama push over the weekend in his fundraisers and have an hours meeting, hours-long meeting with Akeem Jeffrey saying, make this your number one issue. But it doesn't seem like they want to solve it, they just want it. And if you have a question about continuing it, you're on the other side and you're reckless. And we all remember the booze at the commencement addresses from the next generation who aren't embracing this.

So when something's so serious, I'm almost disappointed to see something so political. Yeah. They're seeing polling that shows that the public is concerned about this technology and also data centers, and they don't understand it really. And they see that as an opportunity, Hail Mary, to get some of their closer candidates across the finish line by arguing that the Republicans want to endanger everybody and they want to be smart and strategic, even while some of these same Democrats have welcomed data centers in their own states and/or their own communities.

So there's a lot of hypocrisy there, and it's clearly, very clearly. A strategic response to some of the polling that shows that Democrats could gain an edge by taking a more careful approach. calling for one anyway in these last weeks before the election. Jackie Heinrich, our guests.

So, Jackie, you can read between the lines and you talk to a lot of people. The president says, pretend like I'm on the ballot. Democrats say that's great news. He's got 39% approval rating. Uh Does the president feel as though he could really make a difference?

How is he feeling about his chances aside from what he's saying? What are people telling you? His partners changed. I'm hearing from um people that Are both inside and outside the White House on the Hill, that they're looking at a number of these races and that they are having to spend kinds of money that they've never. Ordinarily have to spend in places like Kentucky and in Texas, where they shouldn't be having to drag Republican candidates over the finish line.

They point to the underlying issues that are posing a challenge for them, and that's the economy, which is driven by. Gas and oil prices. And so I think the president is well aware that the party in power often suffers losses. And I think internally, he has sort of spoken also publicly about what he intends to do if they lose both chambers. He said, I'll just be a blocker.

I'll just block all the crazy for two years. You know, this is what happens. I think they still want to encourage voter turnout because that might stem the tide of how many losses Republicans could face in either chamber. But the latest round of polling was a big flashing warning sign for some of these Republicans. And it's, you know, interesting that, that's happening at the same time as the mini RNC, the midterm RNC, which had the conversation been dominated by those issues that they promoted and all the progress on those issues, including the Progress at the border.

Angel moms speaking. They had law enforcement officers speaking. They had 9-11 first responders speaking. If it had been dominated the election by these social issues that the president has done really well on, they might be in a different spot. But they are having a challenge with his approval rating on both the war and the economy.

And concerningly, in that latest round of Fox News polling, Democrats by a 15-point margin trust, excuse me, voters trust Democrats by a 15-point margin to address those issues. And That's cause for concern. Congresswoman Salazar over in Florida came out and said, I'm all for cracking down on immigration, but you've gone too far, Mr. President. That only 50% of the people rounded up by ICE have criminal records.

But a lot of them don't count the ones who have been charged. If you're charged, you don't have a record. Those are the ones. And at the very least, they overstayed their visa.

So that would bring you probably up to 70%, which is, I think, ICE would recommend. But she's saying, I hear in the Hispanic community, they're thinking you're too aggressive. I haven't seen anyone from the White House comment on that. She is not a queer common critic. No, she's not.

And the fact that this was not just a statement, but an ad is particularly stunning. She's obviously responding to headwinds that she's seeing in her own communities.

However, when I talk to other members about this and what this signifies, What they point to is something that's a little bit more general. It's that a lot of these coalitions that the president built in the last presidential election of Hispanics and of Black people and of low-income earners, they were among the people who have had their cost of living increase the most. They might have been Medicaid recipients. They have had a tougher time with the economy. And then they also feel disaffected by this issue of being made to not feel brought into the fold, but cast out of it.

The president in the last election did a great job of pulling onto his side those same people who had been sort of cast off by the Biden administration. Those coalitions seem to be struggling the most. And we're seeing it in communities like Salazars. When we look at the Senate races, some of them are really intriguing. Number one, Michelle Tafoya in Minnesota.

It looks like the Real Clear average.

Some of those polls we don't love on the Real Clear, but let's say they're roughly one or two points. Not many people picture that. And Sununu looks pretty strong in New Hampshire. People just thought when his brother didn't run, they were going to be hurting. But John Tununu's got some resonance there.

That's pretty clear. And now the money's starting to flow to Ken Paxson. Is there a sense that Mike Watley has got about a week to show some life? Are they going to cut bait? I don't know the particulars of his race.

I know the conversations surrounding his race are often bleak just because you look at the candidate that the Dems have put up, and Roy Cooper is a household name. And so that's it, and that district, that seat rather, belonged to. You know, Tillis, who was often tried to straddle the middle, they went in a different direction with Michael Watley. Whereas Sununu, for instance, in New Hampshire, a lot of name recognition, benefiting in the same way from the name recognition that Roy Cooper is benefiting from in North Carolina. And opposed to Chris Pappas, who is not well liked, and trying to fill a seat that's right now held by a Democrat.

But that Democrat, Maggie Hassan, um Has been quite a bit more uh Bipartisan in her approach to politics in New Hampshire.

So we'll see how that pans out, but I think what we're getting to is. And I've heard you talk about this before, Brian, where the winds are sort of like a little bit center left or a little bit center right. And when you have these primaries that give candidates that are further from that center lane, you tend to see an impact in these swingy states. Yes, it's going to be each one is their own separate game, and we've got to see how it's going to go. And I think a lot of people in the Senate were really upset when John Cornyn got the backing of the President.

But people have told me in Texas that Paxton was going to win anyway. And if the president saw that. Yeah, so for people who think the president put his hand on the scale and won it, I'm shocked.

So if that is what the Republicans in Texas want. Then you know, because he doesn't lose statewide races, but he doesn't seem to be a strong campaigner, he doesn't have a lot of energy, he does have a track record.

So, if that money flows in, that could save the seat, I guess I would imagine, because the people of Texas. Really made their choice. The Republicans of Texas really made their choice. It wasn't the president. The president's weighed in and got some unquestionable candidates.

I don't know if you could label this him, though. Yes, I think that Texas is one that they're having to spend money on, and it's a shock because they don't normally have to spend a lot of money there. It's Texas after all. You had a nasty primary where Paxton had to spend a lot of money. And he came out of that primary with no dollars.

And in the meantime, you saw Tallarico drowning out the airwaves with his own campaign ads, spending 20 to 1 against Paxton. And so the polling reflected that. But once that money goes in, I think it's. They have faith that they'll be able to pull that across eventually. It's just causing heartburn, basically.

So if Democrats want to dismiss, and I know you talk to both sides on your show and always, but here's it, this is tough to dismiss. Hassan Piker does MSNBC and he does an interview with Axios and talks a long time. Cut one. You once said that. America is the top dog in terrorism.

Yes. Do you think America, then, is worse than Al-Qaeda? Pound for pound, as far as the number of deaths. Yes, we have caused tremendous terror all around the world. Yep, uh yeah, he asked him again.

About his impact on the party, cut five. Hassan Piker, by his own admission, is a provocateur, says things that, you know, in case, you know, seem to incite political violence or at least suggest that. And, you know, I really pushed him on every single statement. And the reason I pushed him was because he is influential. He does have a real constituency on the left wing of the Democratic Party.

It's why he has become a fixture in this midterm cycle. Because he got a soundbite that Piker is pushing back on. It says, took it out of context. He wants Iran to have a nuclear weapon. It would be better.

It would be more stable if they had a nuclear weapon. And basically, he doesn't want us to have nuclear weapons. Your thoughts on his impact? I mean, I think it's kind of rich that he wants to put his comments in context and thinks that that somehow makes them better. I mean, he's crazy, and there are countless examples of that level of crazy.

So, you know, go ahead and shout into the void, Hassan Piker. It's still nuts. Democrats just want him to stop talking. He is hurting their message. Everyone's being asked about it.

Some Democratic incumbents are showing their frustration that this is dominating the conversation and distracting from what they want the messaging to be on, which is on issues of affordability. He's really a gift to Republicans that does not stop giving. It keeps him in the game. Jackie Heinrich, we'll look forward to you on Fox News Sunday this Sunday. Great lineup.

Thanks, Brian. Back in a moment. Don't go anywhere. Ryan Kilmead will be right back. Information you want, truth you demand.

This is the Brian Kill Me Show. But why are girls mad? Like, that is literally what she does. Why is anyone mad? Like, that is, she, they, she is, it is a gambling ad.

Men, sports, pretty much naked women. Like, of course, that's going to draw attention. Again, do I agree with it? Uh, morally, I think it's kind of weird, but like, teach their own, go do your thing, sis. But at the end of the day, I'm really loving seeing all these girls who are powerful, strong, showing young girls what it looks like to actually be an athlete.

Um, I don't think the ad was coming for women in sport. And that, of course, is someone you don't need an introduction for.

Sophie Cunningham weighed in on what we were seeing yesterday, and that is an ad. For a very entrepreneurial woman who has made it clear, Sidney Sweeney, that she wants to be a part of this gambling site.

So she became an investor and said, All right, I'll do an ad. And I'm sure she came up with the idea: extremely sexy, low-cut type outfit where she's jumping on motorcycles and doing all crazy, sexually attractive things because she is attractive. And that's why a lot of actors get jobs, and that's why she gets jobs. I'm not saying she can't act, but people just hitting the road. They said this is a setback for women.

I I don't get it.

Sophie Cunningham doesn't get it. Everybody I know doesn't get it. But maybe you can enlighten me. Is it a setback for women when they do sexy ads for companies they're invested in? That's a very deep question.

I'm going to think about that too. Back in the morning. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Kilmead. Hey, welcome to the studio now, guys. I'm going to inspire you and let you know the possibility of America.

Are you ready? Owen Ziddar is with us and Eric Zwick. They've together written a book, Everywhere Millionaire, Who Is Really Rich in America and How They Got There. And guys, first off, great to see you. Let's start with you, Owen.

Why did you write it? Yeah, we wanted to en inspire people. Billionaires kind of Are monopolizing attention, but they don't monopolize wealth and opportunity, and there's just Ton of ways to get really wealthy in this country, and we want to inspire people and show them there are many ways to do it through running ordinary, everyday private businesses.

So, you guys both, you didn't know each other when you were in college. You went to Dartmouth, you went to Swarthmore, and you got your business degrees, PhDs in business? In economics, I am dealing with business, right?

So, in a time in which people are talking about socialism, capitalism doesn't work, you see the polls, and it's underwater to a degree, is this your pushback? I think it's a story that we really don't see very often, Brian. And I think, you know, we. One of us came up kind of working a little bit in finance, also, and I worked a little bit in tech before going to grad school. And so we had this view there was that very narrow path through Silicon Valley and Wall Street to get to the top.

We started doing our research and realized there are all these mundane business owners that have made themselves fabulously wealthy and been extremely successful, coming from very different backgrounds and through very different avenues. And we think those are still available today in a wide way. Give me some examples, Owen. Yeah, so it can be very basic things like storing paper. You know, Brian, I have three kids and so I read a lot of kids' books.

And we somewhat jokingly talked about turning this into a kids' book of the A B C's of getting rich. A is for auto dealer, B is for beverage distributor, C is for contractor, and it's just the everyday businesses you drive by and don't really think about. But when you go to a nice lake house or a mountaintown or a golf resort and ask who owns those big homes, it's very often these ordinary Americans who've gotten extraordinarily rich. running these businesses. Is that how you did it?

Who's got this home? Who's got this business? And then you did reverse forensics on it?

So we started out working in the Bowels of the Treasury Department with Administrative Tax Aid on all the businesses in the country, and we were able for the first time to link those businesses to their owners and workers. We were working on tax policy research with folks in the Office of Tax Analysis, the Treasury. That was your job. That was our job. And we couldn't figure out from that data, it's private.

So we couldn't see the names of the businesses or the people. But you saw the numbers. We could see the numbers, and you don't have the people who are willing to participate in a survey. You can kind of see what are the industries, what are the geographies, what are the size of the businesses, how many workers they have.

So you get a broad picture. Then, for the book, we wanted to go find them and meet some of these people.

So that's where we went to the property. Registration data. We bought some yacht data. We bought some jet data to try and find some of these more conspicuous consumers that we could then go and interview and talk to about their stories.

So, you have some examples and maybe some takeaways. First, you have a story of a guy who just wanted to sell hot dogs. One of our favorite stories is the story of Dick Portillo. He grew up in the Cabrini Greens Housing Project of Chicago. He was a kid of immigrants, Greek and Mexican immigrants.

And he was kind of a fighter, wasn't great at school by his own admission when we talked to him. And he went to the Marines and bounced around a bunch of jobs and couldn't quite figure out what to do. And then finally, he said, Look, I got to provide for my family. I'm going to put a little trailer in with no running water. Got a thousand bucks from his brother and start selling hot dogs because in Chicago and the city, it's pretty successful, but in the suburbs, nobody's doing it.

And he was working his butt off. I mean, he basically would go and wash the dishes in his bathtub, and there was mustard stains, you know, from all the hot dog leftovers of the day. And many decades later, he ended up Selling that business for a billion dollars and sailing off on a yacht that he called the Top Dog. Wow. And so and then how did you find that story?

Through the got data.

So you got you find out who's got rich stuff, and that, by the way, very innovative. What else did you what are some other stories? Another great story I love. This is a generation later, then Portillo, a woman named Karen Bentledge. She dropped out of college.

She's from Connecticut, and she started out. Learning a little bit about running a business, working for somebody else, and then decided she was gonna set out on her own, um, distributing tanning beds.

So she would buy tanning beds and initially she was just selling them, flipping them basically as a distributor, and she decided, oh, A lot of people are getting into this. I'd rather own tanning beds and then rent the service to Tan.

So she bought one with the savings. She came from a pretty low-income family, put them in the back of a salon and was like getting $10 for every 10 minutes. And she was like, oh my God, I'm making $1,000 a week all of a sudden just with this tanning bed service. I'm going to be rich. And her mom still wanted her to go to nursing school.

She's like, I'm not going to go to nursing school. I'm going to be rich. So she would flip one tanning bed into three tanning beds, started salons basically, and then built a huge tanning franchise, was the second largest distributor of tanning beds, and then built a huge franchise business. She also read the leaves when people were less interested in tanning. She switched to waxing salons.

So she pivoted. Always reinvesting the profits from the business to grow that thing, owned a huge chunk of it and was very successful without taking venture capital, without having a fancy pedigree degree. And I think it's a super inspiring story.

So when you read things like, if you look at Phil Knight's story, I mean, this guy has absolutely nothing. He told his sister to go down, pay $50, $25 to get a business license, and then thinks he can make a different sneaker. And it was falling apart. And he had every month he had to come up with, there was no financing like it was today.

So it ends up being this behemoth of a company, which, by the way, they're running into the ground without him. But those are high-profile stories. These people seem to have an innate drive. If you get up every day, I got to find something. You will find something, right?

Oh, absolutely. I mean, one of the most powerful parts of Karen's story is she said, you know, I made a lot of millionaires myself. She had other people running some of these wax centers and they were hustling and they could do it too. And so I think when you look at the data, we really need to remember there's a lot of paths. I mean, I think these everywhere millionaires are giving people a blueprint for success in America.

Right. And by the way, the name of the book is The Everywhere Millionaire: Who Was Really Rich and How They Got There.

So another illustration of a story. By the way, where is she from? She's from Connecticut, from I can't remember what city she is. Shelton in Belton initially. All right.

So, what are the other? Did you head to the Midwest?

So, you mentioned Kansas. Yeah, absolutely.

So, I mean, you know, like we portillos from Chicago started out in Chicago. That's a homebred Chicago story. Another story we like to tell is a chemical importer-exporter. Jamie Shaw was the person we talked to. She was the second generation running the business that her father started as a chemist, basically buying chemicals and then repackaging them and distributing them to pharmaceutical companies and other users.

A very mundane, boring business that, you know. Has made several members of that family extremely wealthy. And he started basically dropped out of a job because he was like, I'm tired of working these really hard, hard hours, and started just cold calling people. Like, can I sell you chemicals? Can I sell you chemicals?

From people's couches, he tried to get closer so he could call from a local number, sitting on friends' couches and stuff. His first customer was PBR past Blue Ribbon. He's selling a chemical for beer manufacturing. Wow. Do you find when you came to these people, they were very Proud of what they did.

And they're almost willing no very few people ask them. Yeah, often they want to share their stories.

Some of them are pretty secretive and don't want people to know, for good reason, how wealthy they are.

So there's one guy who's an auto dealer. We found a story about him, and the title is something like, He's like Batman. He goes to conferences only on the condition that nobody talks to him. He doesn't put his name on the dealerships he has.

Somebody else runs it and gets some equity.

So there's a huge range.

Some want to share their story. Like Dick Bortillo wants to share his story, and I think it's a great story. And there's so many of them that we haven't. You've also got a car dealership, family car dealership. You might think, okay, that's a grind, but you do really well.

You run a dealership and you have the service and you are kind of people. These people are doing well. Yeah. So my favorite car dealer is Larry Miller. He basically started a parts department at a Toyota, really learned how to do it, made it turned it around and eventually found himself in a place where he could buy a dealership.

And then it was two and then three, and then he ended up buying the Utah Jazz. They end up buying the Utah. uh a self-made millionaire. Uh so why do you why did you want to write this book? I think, you know, like we want to both sort of open people's eyes and like.

Who's really rich and prosperous in the country? We want to basically take them sort of off the social media version of it, which is just Bezos and Musk over and over on repeat, and see this much broader class of people. We're talking about 3 million everywhere millionaires. These are people with net worth of at least $5 million, average net worth of $25 million. Collectively, they have more wealth than the Forbes 400 combined by an order of magnitude, more than 10 times the wealth.

And their stories are at the same time much closer to home, much more abundant. And I think a lot of them are much more attainable because they're not starting rocket companies. You know, they're car dealers, they're starting $5 electric toothbrush manufacturing companies, they're running chemical importer exporters, or renting tanning salons. And this is just like a kind of path to prosperity through owning and running one of these businesses and growing it over time that a lot of people who aspire to that kind of success could achieve themselves.

So, and that do you think that's especially important now that we have this growth of socialism in this country? Yes, I think especially you took PhDs in business. You're studying all these different ways to earn money and comparing it to other economic systems. And now we're pretending as if there wasn't a Cold War. I mean, we're looking at Cuba and saying, man, we should get some of that magic.

Venezuela was going so well with an oppressive communist country. What happened to the Soviet Union? Was that just bad luck? I mean, we do have lessons about this. I think it's important to retell the lesson.

And one fun thing about this book is we gave early copies to some of our colleagues. Many of whom are from Europe and other places, you know, in Scandinavia with different. Slightly different systems, and they were like, You guys are optimists. You really believe that in the potential of America and that this can work. And I think more people need to hear and be reminded of the power of being able to get wealthy in this country.

When you, for example, if you're an athlete and you compare yourself to Michael Jordan, you're going to feel pretty frustrated. But what you're trying to say is there are so many ways. Besides going to the moon. You know, besides people that you see on the stock exchange or people working in New York City and around the country.

So I almost think you're on a mission now. That's right. I mean, I I think to your point about basketball players, The glamorous world of the NBA isn't necessarily the way to make several hundred million dollars.

So we tell a story in the book of a guy named Junior Bridgman, who's a six-man for the Milwaukee Bucks. who got the idea from somebody working in the organization that maybe franchise fast food restaurants was a way to make some more money because he didn't make that much money as an NBA player. And so he started working as uh Wendy's franchise operator. And he was like working every job in the Wendy's after he retired from the NBA. He made hundreds of millions of dollars operating Wendy's franchises and other fast casual restaurants like Chili's.

Way more in that unglamorous business. He had a former teammate say, What is he doing in there with those work pants on, running the fryer? And he's like, Well, he's raking it in compared to what he was doing as a basketball player in that glamorous job.

So I think it's like an amazing inspirational story that also tells you, like, maybe wealth and prosperity is not exactly where we're all told to look. Right. And do you feel as though you're in your 40s? Do you worry that people think the American dream is dead, Owen? I do worry, and one of our messages is that hard work can really bring you from the bottom of the top.

It's not just Portillo. We looked at every single entrepreneur in America who started a business. There's 10 million of them. And we link them back to how rich they were. And the typical entrepreneur who is successful comes from a middle class or poor family.

It's not from a rich family. There's a lot of people who are not afraid of it. There's a lot of first-time millionaires. Absolutely. And that's just it.

That gives hope. It's not old money.

So what what What do you throw what role, since you used to do this? does the tax structure have in people's success? How could it be used better to empath to help people who have this type of drive?

So, the tax code definitely encourages folks in the U.S. towards ownership, towards starting a business, towards reinvesting, because you get the deductions for the reinvestments. If you take profits, you reinvest them, you get deductions for those reinvestments. And so, there are a lot of ways through those kinds of incentives to encourage people to grow businesses or start businesses. The tax code says if you're a salaried worker, you pay a different rate than if you're a business owner.

And in the last 40 years, the rate for the business owner has been a bit lower. And so, that's trying to encourage folks to do that. Yeah. A lot of the people we talk to are driven not just by the after-tax gains, but they really like kind of enjoy it. They can't tell the difference between Sunday and Tuesday.

They don't really do hobbies very well. And so, like, you know, to the extent that maybe a little bit more after-tax is nice and helps them buy a slightly bigger yacht, that's great. But a lot of non-tax factors are driving these stories. Owen Zaidar and Eric Zwick, stick around. We got a few more questions on the back end.

The name of their book is The Everywhere Millionaire: Who Was Really Rich in America and How They Got There? Don't Move. It's Brian Killmead. A talk show that's real. This is the Brian Kill Me Show.

Hey, we are back. Oben Zidar was with us right now in Eric Zwick. They have a brand new book out called Everywhere A Millionaire: Who Is Really Are Rich in America and How They Got There. And you have different illustrative stories to go over, and they're not the high-profile stories, you know, not the launch of a famous company or the story of how a millionaire became a billionaire. It's you wanted to expose what other people have done to be successful to spread the word of capitalism.

Because the other thing that comes out, I'll start with you, Owen, is when you are a capitalist and are successful, you have to hire other people. And when you hire other people, they can learn from what you're doing and maybe get inspired to do other things. And other people, maybe they don't have that inspiration, but you're helped. That's the theory behind capitalism. Your thirst for success brings others with you.

I mean, that we talked about Karen Bentledge a little bit before the break, and she brought so many people along with her. If you talk about Dick Portillo, he was employing thousands of people. And one of the key ways to make an entrepreneur is to basically give them early experience in a sector that ten, fifteen years down the line, when a baby boomer who's running their business wants to retire, somebody's got to run it. And that there's a lot of opportunity right now for those people who are working for entrepreneurs to hand over and do that themselves. The founders of Dave's Hot Chicken, three friends, started in a Los Angeles parking lot with $900 and a passion for Nashville-style hot chicken.

Eight years later, they had more than 300 locations, sold the business for $1 billion. What I love about this story, other than the fact that I just personally love hot chicken sandwiches, is that It's evidence that even today, like these are young guys that are done this in the last 10, 15 years, these same stories like Portillo's sort of story starting out with very little, just a passion and recognition that there's a problem unsolved in the market, which is a super competitive industry, but there's no hot chicken sandwiches that people want to be eating. And so these guys sort of say, okay, we're going to make a better sandwich and we're going to grow it. And it took so little time for them to attract attention and grow this thing. They're ripping franchises up.

They're just going across the country with growth. And yeah, they made a billion dollars selling that business. Almost just 10 years later, very recently.

So I think that. Was it tough to get that story told? Was he one of the people that didn't, or the one of the three people that didn't want to tell it? Those guys, I think we're actually pretty happy to see us feature them in the book, especially in the journal. I think they're pretty popular.

They're hot on media. And I think they use media, the new media, in a way to promote and grow the business faster.

So this will help. Portillo. Totally. Totally. I mean, I've got some amazing pictures of taking my family to Dave's after that Wall Street Journal story came out.

Well, I'm sure you know this would be a great podcast to have all the people that you interview and hear their stories. That would be something. Absolutely. I would listen. Number one.

Love to make that happen. All right.

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