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This thing has been pending and driving people crazy for years. Many people who support allowing transgender athletes to compete in women's sports have said that that's because they're following the law, specifically Title IX. They can't say that anymore.
So this is now a choice. It's a choice that large athletic organizations have rejected, that a majority of states have rejected or about to reject. It is a choice that they are making on an issue that is almost now 70%. Of the populace as against this type of transgender athletes participating in women's sports. And of course, the Supreme Court upheld the fact that you can ban trans men for being in women's sports, but the blue states are going to continue to do it.
So they rather have a trans athlete. Compete.
So their feelings don't get hurt. But rather put your child, your daughter, uh you know, your sister Your aunt, whatever, put their health in jeopardy and their success takes a back seat. Jennifer Say joins us now, CEO of XXXY Athletics, author, filmmaker, business executive, and retired national champion gymnast. Jennifer, I was not surprised by the Supreme Court decision. Were you heartened by it?
I am absolutely encouraged. It was the right thing. I will say it's what I expected. I expected the Supreme Court to uphold the legality essentially of the 27 states that have laws protecting women's sports. I did not expect them to go so far as to say all states must adhere essentially to the intent of Title IX.
And we have 23 states still that basically will refuse to protect women and girls in their sport categories.
So we're not done. We won, but we're not done is what I would say. Right.
So what could they be done if you're stuck in one of those blue states and blue cities? I mean, what do you encourage them to do? I think there's a few things. I think we need national legislation. We shouldn't because we have Title IX, but we need to kind of restate the meaning of Title IX, which was to protect women and girls' sex-based rights.
I think we need state-by-state legislation. I'm the chairperson for a ballot initiative here in Colorado. We did get enough signatures and will be on the ballot in November. I think the people will decide and do the right thing. And I think, and this is what I've been saying and why I started the brand, we need to change the culture because if we make it culturally unacceptable for a coach or an administration to feel the boy, then it will stop happening.
The cultural influence here is undeniable. You know, this whole idea that quote unquote trans women are women, that's a cultural Fixation at this point, and it's a lie. The other thing I would say is: not only is it unfair that, depending on your zip code, you might have to face unfairness, but as a matter of practicality, it doesn't work. If you're a really good athlete, you compete across state lines from a very young age. I was in my first national competition at nine.
I competed in New Jersey, but I competed against states all over the country.
So, how is this going to work? If you're in a state like Tennessee that protects women's sports, but you have to go up against a team in California that could field a boy, it doesn't work.
So, it just doesn't work practically, and it's certainly not fair to the girls in the 23 states that don't have laws. Honey, what are you listening to? Mom! Your teen might not share everything with you, but teens share everything with each other. And certain everyday behaviors, like sharing food, drinks, or kisses, could mean sharing bacteria that can cause meningococcal disease known as meningitis.
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So, why did you start XXY?
Well, I wanted to have a brand that actually does defend women and girls in sports, you know, that does it for real, that isn't just pretending to champion women and girls, but takes a real stand and elevates them and their performance and their rights. I've been fighting for safety in women's sports for a very long time. I was the first gymnast that spoke out about abuse in women's sports and gymnastics all the way back in 2008.
So you've got brands like Nike pretending to champion female athletes, but treating them with astonishing disregard. We deserve a brand too. And let's be clear here, Brian, brands influence the culture, and we're at a cultural disadvantage. Even though 70, 80% of Americans agree with us, the 20% that don't, they've got like a hold on our institutions, whether it's media or universities or school boards. And so it feels like it can feel like they're the majority.
I mean, look at the headlines we've seen in the last few days. It's all about how horrible and death. Devastating this is for trans rights. No one is writing as a headline: this is a win for women and girls' civil rights. That's the essence of the cultural problem we have.
And I want to be a part of changing that. Yeah, I mean, Nancy Pelosi came out and condemned the decision right away. Yeah, she's not the only one.
So did Tim Waltz, so did Gavin Newsome, so did Governor Pritzker, not to mention all the advocacy organizations like the NAACP. And they're all lying, Brian. I mean, they're all saying that these trans-identified athletes are banned from competing. No, they're not. They can compete in the category of their sex.
No one is banned from anything. Yeah, that's a good point. How do you feel about what else is going on? And everyone's talking about Caitlin Clark. Uh in the WNBA.
I can't believe I'm still talking about this three years later. But it seems to be getting worse. How do you feel about the uproar and the fact that there's an unapolog there's no apology from the league, there's no explanation from the league, nor from the the players that were suspended? It's astonishing. The WNBA, which has never made any money in its 30 years of existence, they have this golden goose, right?
They have this athlete that everybody loves. Her jersey sales compete with the Best, you know, male basketball players. I think her jersey sales are number two of all jersey sales for basketball players. That's insane. The only one she comes in second to is Steph Curry, right?
So they have this person, this player that is putting butts in seats and getting eyeballs. You know, the games that she plays have twice as many viewers as the games that she's not in, and yet they refuse to market her. I mean, it's business malfeasance, and the league is just letting her be injured on the court. I mean, her coach has been really strong on this. And of course, Sophie Cunningham has been her greatest defender.
So I don't know. I don't know what the solution is here. She's going to get hurt at some point. There's a part of me that would love to see her walk away and start her own league. Or go to Europe.
Do it. Make money. Go to Europe. Get the eyeballs in Europe. They don't deserve you, Caitlin.
They don't deserve you. You know, I saw it in the first year. I said, wait, man, it must be resentment because they've been there after 20 years and Caitlin Clark walks in and we see her successful. I could see maybe a few hard fouls. I get it.
Pre-established, you're not in college anymore. Oh, I got it. Part of the game. But now we're seeing here. Know what I also love, Jennifer, is that she doesn't complain.
She'll talk to the ref or whatever, but you don't see her, and she'll just clear the foul or wants additional free throw or wants a flagrant. I get it, but she doesn't complain. Do you think that hurts her? In the public opinion. I don't think so.
I mean, she is quite stoic. I don't know. I think if she complained, it would get worse. I think she does, to some extent, view it as part of the game. But it's obviously gone too far.
I mean, when you've got a fist on your throat, And they don't call that as a flagrant foul for 24 hours. You don't have to look at film to see that. It was obvious to everyone watching. Fist on her throat. And the punishment wasn't significant enough.
I don't know. I think it's just her way. We can't ask her to change her personality, right? I mean, she's a real stoic, and that benefits her in the game. Yeah, I love it.
And I got two more topics that are unrelated. And this is just my thought. I love the fact that they have premier athletes. Talking about The other gender. For example, Carly Lloyd on the desk.
I saw her to cut her, and I'm watching her again analyze the men's game. It's the same sport. Why not? But don't you love that we're doing this now, making it interchangeable, and if an Alex Morgan or somebody else wanted to go do it, we accept it now. I think it also shows progress, don't you?
Absolutely. It's a great point, and I hadn't thought of it. I mean, I'm enjoying the World Cup like everybody else right now. It was a great win for the U.S. last night.
And talk about stoicism. They had a player ousted from the game, their main scorer, and they just focused and doubled down and won the game 2-0. I can't wait to watch them in their next game. But yeah, why can't Carly Lloyd comment do commentary for men for the men's game? I mean, it's the same sport, same rules, same everything.
So, absolutely, it's fantastic. Can Jennifer say, lastly, the biggest and smartest thing that football ever did. was push for flag football. Because Even though there's so many female athletes now, it's 50-50 in this country basically. Most women don't know football 'cause they don't play it.
So now that they're playing flag football, every girl I know wants to play it in high school now.
Now they're offering scholarships. And now, when they watch it on television, the NFL now, instead of people saying, you know, what's going on and maybe I'll pick a team, they know what's going on. They know what it's like being in a huddle. They know what it's like executing under pressure. They know the positions.
Yeah, it's a great point. I mean, I think it's the fastest or second fastest growing sport amongst high school girls. Colleges are introducing teams. Girls can get scholarships for flag football. It's fantastic.
Look, women are competitive. Women want to win. Women want to play. Why not have more teams for women to play on? I think it's outstanding.
Yep, Jennifer, thanks so much. Always appreciate having you on. And it's nice to know you're watching the World Cup too. A gymnast who likes soccer. How about that?
Jennifer, thank you. I have two kids at play. I'm all in. Oh, yeah. XY.
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