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They have the Iron Dome, and now they just started using something they call the Iron Beam, directed energy to defend themselves. That is a great cost curve for defenders, and I hope that we start utilizing those types of capabilities here at home and then in our interests around the world as well.
Well, that is General John Tigert, and I spoke to him yesterday on Fox and Friends 2, and I asked him about the Iron Beam. It's a laser. And why do people reluctant to admit they have it? I'm not sure. I'm about to find out.
But Israel is evidently using it. What could be more cost-effective than that? Uh Ari Sachir joins us now, Israeli rocket scientist, three decades of experience on anti-missile technology, including the Iron Dome, Senior Policy Advisor to the U.S. and Israeli Education Association. Manny, you're busy now.
Ari, first off, are you concerned about the number of interceptors we have available from the Gulf states to the State of Israel. Everybody's concerned. Nobody knows the real numbers, but everybody's concerned about the rate at which they're being fired. I mean, Iran's firing off between 200 and 400 of these Shahhead drones that carry about 50 kilo of high explosives. They cost about $35,000.
And we're shooting them down with Patriots, with all sorts of other stuff that cost a couple of million dollars a shot.
So do the math. I mean, you're worried about how many of your interceptors you have, and you're worried about how much it's costing you.
So they're legitimate. We just don't know the answer to that. Oh, they're 100% legit. I mean, these things, I mean, they do damage. You've seen what happens when they aren't shot down.
They took out a Ramco and Saudi. They took out a radar, a U.S. radar in Bahrain. They're taking out all sorts of stuff. I mean, the Israelis here in Israel, we're lucky because we got a lot of time before they get to us to pick them up on the radar and shoot them down while they're still over places like, I don't know, Jordan, Saudi.
But the people that are closer, I mean, they got a lot of problems. Yeah. What about the beam? This laser beam. Could you tell me what the theory is behind it?
Yeah, Iron Beam, it's like it's out there. It's, I call it not hit to kill, but heat to kill.
So we just focus the laser beam on a bad boy. And you wait long enough, which is not very long at all. The bad boy starts to burn and falls out of the sky. And the nice thing about that is it's essentially free. It just costs the amount of electricity that you use for the couple of seconds that you use it.
And this thing, we're making, we're pulling no punches. In Israel, this has been operational since December. of uh 2025. And it was actually used. There were some some we took some stuff out of the shed, dusted it off and stuck it out there in 2024 to start taking care of the stuff that Chehiz Boa was throwing at Israel because there was nothing else that could take care of it.
And these lasers are real. They work. They're inexpensive. And just like the shot heads, the drones change the way people attack. The lasers change the way people defend.
Do they have limitations?
So everybody's got limitations. I mean, you got a certain amount of range. Um and uh that's that's about the limitation.
Okay. Because I just don't know why people are reluctant to talk about it. Because it's space age, because it could be used. I like we never were reluctant to talk about the Iron Dome, David Sling, Aerosystems. Why are we reluctant to talk about Iron Beam?
Well, I don't think anybody's reluctant to talk about it. Ask the right questions, get the right answers. Israel has it operational. There's an assembly line. We're putting out these things, ramping up production, ramping up getting these things over to the IDF as fast as we can.
And no one's pulling any punches. No one's hiding anything. Evidently, the more people know, the better. Yeah, rain and fog could be detrimental to the beam. Yeah, rain and fog have a certain effect on the laser beam.
It depends on how bad the rain is. We did some calculations and we've shown that more than 95% of the time in Europe, take as an example, the rain is not bad enough to cause any major damage to our performance. I mean, if you use it out there in Iran, crying out loud. I mean, that's like every day of the year it works.
So, Ari, tell me what you think of how Iran is an firing back as opposed to the way they did in the Twelve Day War. Iran has been severely stunted, mate. They've lost a lot of not only missiles, which the U.S. is taking out more than Israel is because they're bringing over these B-2s and dropping these very chunky GBU-57s into these underground factories, but everybody, Israel and the U.S., are plunking away at their launchers. And the long pole in the tent is not the amount of missiles you got because you can't throw them.
You got to stick them in a launcher. And these launchers, Israel has destroyed officially more than 300 launchers since the beginning of the war. And I was going into bomb shelters nine times a day on Saturday. Today and yesterday, I ain't going once. The situation has totally changed, and that's why.
Complete air dominance.
So, what they're also trying to do, if you get into the strategy-wise, They want to rattle the Gulf states. And, you know, I guess six Rockets went into Qatar, and the UAE is getting hit pretty regularly. They hit the CIA location in Saudi Arabia and a few others. Mm-hmm. What do you think that appro what what is that about?
I think Iran has realized that they're not going to do a major damage to Israel. And the only thing that they can do is really flail, hit what they can hit. I mean, today they hit Azerbaijan. Are they insane? I mean, Azerbaijan is a very well-equipped country that borders Iran.
And any damage Iran does to Azerbaijan, especially considering how much of their arsenal has been blown up over the last couple of days, I mean, they stand to take equal amount of power from Azerbaijan.
So, I don't know what they're thinking. I think so, too. Unless their goal is to rattle. These states to the point where their economy can't do anything. For example, they had to shut down the natural gas field and cut it for the first time in 20 years.
They're hoping maybe they don't let life get back to normal and the people pressure their government to disassociate themselves with us. That could be the theory, if you extrapolate it out. What do you think? Yeah, I think it could be the theory, but I think at the end of the day, everybody's got to take a long breath. And if we and if we breathe deep and we stand tall for a number of days or maybe weeks, then the amount of attacks on all of Iran's neighbors will be reduced just like it's being reduced on Israel.
It's being reduced on us first because the bad boys that they have, they have fewer of them, the ones that can hit us. It'll also be reduced in Qatar. It'll also be reduced in Bahrain and the UAE as well. This will be a threat that will never return if we allow Israel and the U.S., now is Azerbaijan, time to destroy the threat completely. That is happening as we speak.
All right, I guess it doesn't surprise you that behind the scenes. Saudi Arabia was pushing Trump to act. All these Arab countries. In the beginning, they said, We don't want you to use our bases. What are you doing?
But behind the scenes, they said, Please do this, Mr. President. Follow through.
So maybe you can make sense of it being that maybe you understand the Middle East more than my audience.
Well, I'll tell you, everybody is scared of Iran, especially there's two basic kinds of Muslim, of Islam. You have the Shia and you have Sunni. And the Sunnis, most of them are more moderate than the Shia. And the Shia is essentially centered in Iran. There are little branches in Lebanon and other places.
But the Sunnis are typically more, well, more down to earth. But there is a tremendous amount of interfamily. Unhappiness between the two. And at the end of the day, I mean, I just heard yesterday: the Qasin Suleimani, who was killed by the U.S. a number of years ago, he was the head of their overseas terrorist office.
He said that the country we have to worry about is not Jerusalem. We have to worry about Riyadh. Iran, Shia, and the Sunnis will forever hate each other. And that plays into the hands. And that's how the Abraham Accords worked out.
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So let's talk about missile defense. We're trying to build a golden dome here. In theory, it's going to be trillions of dollars. But I think people look at what's happening now and they say: if you really want to secure a country, how else would you do it if you're America? The chances of that working.
I know the Space Force is playing a big role for that. And what do you think the future of missile defense is? I've been impressed with what we see, but it's not perfect. Where do you think we're heading with it? Look, the country that has the most up-to-date and hermetic, if that's at all possible, missile defense system is Israel.
And it's a layered defense system. You have the shortest range is Iron Dome going all the way up through David Sling and Arrow 2, all the way up to Arrow 3. And one of the advantages of Israel is such a small country, so that we can have a reasonable number of batteries defending this small country. The U.S., slightly larger. Israel is the size of New Jersey.
Do the math.
So if you use these kind of systems to protect systems like, I don't know, New York, Philadelphia, Boston, well, that's great. But then to start using them to defend the entire U.S., that becomes problematic. And therefore, you have these space-based interceptors, which will be part of the Golden Dome. The question is, what can we bring to the table now? We have absolutely nothing.
You're shooting down drones in El Paso. In order to do that, you take out a laser and you shut down airspace over El Paso for 12 days. You can't live that way.
So the United States has to look. They have to determine: all right, we have a problem with drones. We have a problem with. The potential of a problem for an Iranian ship at sea to fire drones into America. We have ballistic missiles that could be landing in American cities.
So let's take the systems out there that are proven, that exist, that have saved lives. Let's put as many of them as we can now. And then, in parallel, we'll work in a space-based system to take out the other stuff. Can we get better than what we have now? Can we get, instead of improving on the Patriot, is there more engineering that you would like to see in RD to make them even better?
Oh, well, there's some great stuff going on. I mean, look at the statistics in Israel. I mean, the official statistics from Gaza and Lebanon with Iron Dome, I mean, that's greater than 90%. And the official statistics of the Arrow 3 against those Iranian monsters that they fired at us with a ton of high explosives, that was 86%. That's pretty good.
That means out of every 100, 15 of them are going to fall. Not all of them are going to fall and kill people.
So maybe we can tweak that up a little bit higher. I think that the Patriot is an older system. Even the newer Patriot, it's not created to hit the same stuff to say FAD is created.
So you can take Patriots, take FADS, take some of the Israeli stuff, which has been proven, and make layers. Missile defense systems are like ogres. They work in layers. That's what you guys got to do.
So what about with the pioneering in Ukraine? And they're working on their way of taking down drones without using Patriots because obviously you did the math to start this segment.
So what is what is have you been seeing what Ukraine's been developing? I have, I have. Ukraine says if you guys are going to fire a drone at me, well, I'm going to take it out with a drone of my own. and they dropped the equation from 35K on their side to a million on our side to 35K on their side, and I'll shoot it down with 35K on my side. That's more reasonable.
So that is definitely a solution for a certain set of drones. I don't believe it's a solution for all the drones. I don't think it's a solution for the shahads that we have right now, because they're coming in very high and very fast. And these things that the Ukrainians are offering are smaller. That said, using that as a concept, very interesting concept.
It's something definitely worth looking into. And there are companies around the globe, other than the Ukraine, that are actually looking into these things as well. I think Ukraine says any nation that's helped us out, we're going to help them out. And they took a pause from peace talks with Russia just to do that. And I was able to go to Germany at Wiesbaden, and it is like war university, the Ukraine.
They're going to school on what Ukraine and Russia has been doing, changing the face of war. I'm sure you've noticed all this, Ari. I have. I mean, I've noticed we've learned a lot in Israel. We've learned a lot from what goes on in the Ukraine as a function of tactics, what to expect the enemy to do.
And by golly, I mean, the Iranians are using tactics very similar to the tactics used both by the Ukrainians and by the Russians, which have proven very successful, which is why they're being replicated. And so what we need to do is also to learn from what's going on now in Israel, what's going on now in Bahrain, what's going on now in UAE. And we're going to learn from that. We're going to change our tactics, modify our tactics, and we're also probably going to modify the systems that we have out there. Maybe build new ones, maybe modify old ones.
Ari, thanks so much. Always insightful to have you on, Ari Sasha, who joins us as we try to unwind missile defense and pretty much in awe of what people like you have been able to accomplish and really save a nation. You save Israel. You really have. Thanks so much, Ari.
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