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Good to be here. It's been six minutes. You missed me? I did. I'm just wondering when you're going to get sick of me at this point.
I mean, that's really the story. I'm really testing our relationship. But, Kaylee, in particular, what do you think about. Uh what do you think about the fact that The Democrats are trying to downplay the drug threat from Venezuela. They're actually siding with the guy, saying the guy driving the boats don't blame them.
Yeah, they always do. And President Trump, he's a master at this. First, policy-wise, he just does what's right. But the impact of that is luring Democrats into doing these inconceivable things. He's lured them into defending narco-terrorists.
He's lured them into defending criminal, illegal immigrants. He's lured them into defending average, everyday American criminals on the streets, American citizen criminals like the ones that we've seen here in New York City.
So each time you see the left take the other side, whether it's lax law enforcement, lax immigration law, or hey, let's side with the narco-terrorists, it's really something to behold.
So, I want you to hear Mark Kelly, who to me is the biggest disappointment in politics. I always thought this guy is going to be just doing what's right for the American people: astronaut, fighter pilot. Not at all. This guy is as politically oriented as Chuck Schumer. Cut four.
Trump and Hegseth they care more about publicity than they do about the rule of law. That's how I ended up. Finding out via a tweet. That the Secretary of Defense was ordering an investigation into me. The same Secretary of Defense who has from the moment he was nominated has been historically unqualified for this position.
The same Secretary of Defense, who is reported. to have ordered a second strike To kill shipwrecked survivors in the Caribbean. Shipwrecked survivors.
So that Gilligan's Island would happen to the skipper and Mary Ann. What are your thoughts on this? Yeah, Mark Kelly from Arizona, you would think he'd be more moderate, but not in the slightest, as you just heard there. And then we find out this new reporting, and it's been reported in at least two sources, that these shipwrecked survivors, as they've been portrayed, were actually trying to get in touch, according to the reporting I've read, with others on retrieving some of these drugs. That's at least what was suspected by our team here who was conducting the strike.
So you learn more facts by the day, but leave it to, I guess it was the Washington Post, the first one, to run with one source and try to frame Pete Hegseth and the administration in the most negative of flights.
So what they're trying to say is the Geneva Convention says when you hit somebody once and you go back to finish them off, that breaks the rule of war, which I find odd because Barack Obama, 585 strikes minimum of drone strikes. Strikes, oftentimes in Waziristan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, they say that they missed and they had to go back and finish the job. He blew up weddings where he killed a bunch of innocent people. Alawaki, when we took him out, we took out his entire family.
Now, I know there was almost no noise about this for eight years.
So now you're upset when we say there's the boat, there's the direction, this is what's in the cargo, we blow them up. But in one case, we didn't kill everybody.
So now people are outraged that we didn't rescue the other two. But now the Wall Street Journal is reporting that those other two are looking to radio back to their cartel members that they needed help. That shows more danger. That alleviates this admiral that's going to be testifying today, or Pete Hagset, too. I'm sure they'll try to investigate.
Right. And as President Trump has said, I believe it was something like 25,000 lives are saved with each of these boat strikes. I mean, fentanyl pouring into our country. You have tons of Americans who have been killed, hundreds of thousands. There are real consequences.
And President Trump's mind is: you know, I want to take these guys out. I want to protect Americans. He sat across from these families who have been affected by fentanyl. That's his primary motive. But the hypocrisy is quite something when you compare the Obama years to this.
They really want to get Pete out. I mean, it's made the Democrats. Why do you think that is? Because they know he's so close to Trump, President Trump? Yeah, I don't know why.
They pick a target. They hone in. It seems like they're going after him. They've been going after Cash Patel. They're just out for a scalp.
They want the effect. to be the Trump administration falling apart. But President Trump is not that kind of guy. He stands behind his people. You've seen him, you know, in the cabinet meeting.
He went first to Pete Hegseth. I think that was by design. You know, you go after my person. I'm just going to double down on them.
So President Trump stands by his people. And he said the same about Cash Patel when he came under fire last week. What's your view on Rand Paul? He seems to be loving siding with Democrats. He said, we should not be risking the lives of our nation service members to engage in military action with Venezuela.
This is why the framers gave the power to declare war to Congress, not the president. The American people do not want to be dragged into an endless war with Venezuela without public debate or a vote. We ought to defend what the Constitution demands, deliberation before a war. This is at a point where you brief people. This is not a time when the president's even.
Looking to go to war. He's looking to change the direction of the hemisphere.
So he just does not want to do anything. I don't want to spend anything. I don't want any intervention. Iran is misunderstood. How do you deal with people like Tom Massey and Senator Rand Paul, Republicans?
Yeah, and I don't think anyone's talking about a long, protracted war with Venezuela. If they were, then Rand Paul would have a point. But I think you just lay out the facts. You know, Article 2, Commander in Chief Power, gives the president the power to act on a limited basis. And that's what he is doing here with non-state actors.
He's not at war with Venezuela. He's taking a limited strike, limited action in the national interest. Other presidents have done likewise. But, you know, Rand Paul, I get that he's principled and that Congress has the power to declare war. That is true, Article 1, Section 8.
But this is not a war. This is a limited strike, and other presidents have done it, and there's plenty of precedent.
So I think he's getting ahead of his skis there with that assessment. Mm-hmm. You could be very uh I think you're being very kind to him. I don't understand why a phone call to the president could have handled it. But instead, I think this guy thirsts for publicity.
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So I think there's a part of him he just wants to be going against the grain. And we see that with a few Republicans. And, you know, who knows what their motive is? I do know Ram Paul, being a libertarian-minded person, has a definite view of foreign policy. But to your point, why not solve it with the president on the phone?
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So, your response to what seems like a big blowout between Kamala Harris and Josh Shapiro famously, as we all know and gotten to learn, that Josh Shapiro thought he was going to be the frontrunner as the number two. But I guess, according to Kamala Harris, he came off too cocky, was measuring the drapes in their meeting. How do we know this? I guess Josh Shapiro gave an interview to The Atlantic. At which time they read a passage from the Atlantic about Kamala Harris's book.
to uh to Josh Shapiro. And when they did that, he had an answer where he actually used an expletive, which you don't really get a lot on the other side. Would see he said this, Sir Josh Shapiro, she wrote it in wrote in her book. When she said that he was uh Asking to be on every single meeting, and that he came off arrogant, measuring drapes. That's complete, utter BS.
I can tell you that her accounts are just blatant lies. I mean, she's trying to sell books and cover her ass. The governor then stared me past me, shaking his head. As I began to ask another question, he held up a hand. He looked disgusted.
With me? With Harris? Question mark. Question mark? No.
I began to realize he was disgusted with himself. I shouldn't say cover her ass. I think that's not appropriate, Shapiro said. His tone suddenly sounded collected. She's trying to sell books.
What seems you went on to say what seems to bother Shapiro more than any one detail was that Harris portrayed him in the way consistent with the whispers that have dogged him throughout his vetting process through his career. He comes off as selfish, petty, Maniacal and ambit, maniacally ambitious.
So, two hits in one. Two hits in one. I've got to say, on this side of Kamala versus Josh Shapiro, I'm siding with the Josh Shapiro side here. The reporting back during the election, which I remember vividly, and I'm paraphrasing it here, was that Tim Walls came in and was like, How may I serve you, Kamala Harris? And then you had Josh Shapiro who came in and asked questions about the role, what it would be like, saying he wanted to be, you know, a steady presence or hand in the administration.
Questions that anyone should ask who's doing a job interview. And then he left with some reservations. And he didn't call and say, I won't take the job. The reporting was he called and said, maybe it's better for me to remain governor. I'm having, you know, these kind of equivocating thoughts.
Well, that scarred Kamala Harris's ego.
So I'm not surprised she torched him. I think she was afraid of him. He's far more accomplished, and I don't agree with him ideologically, but far more well-spoken than Kamala, better at his job, I would argue, than Kamala, the borders are.
So I think she was intimidated.
So when it comes to ambition, I think it was her ambition. Not the ambition of Governor Shapiro. What about the fact that he's Jewish? Yeah, I look she she took shots of people's identities. We saw that with Pete Budijej there.
She said that she couldn't choose a gay man. Maybe that was weighing on her. I don't know because we were in a time where there's a lot of anti-Semitic rhetoric on the left with regards to Gaza and Israel.
So that certainly could have played into it. Who knows? There were a myriad of factors, but I know I think she was severely intimidated by him. Kaylee, Gavin Newsom says Democrats need to be more culturally normal while looking back at Harris's loss. And he went on to say that we complain too much and we whine too much as Democrats.
That's one side of him where you think, wow, he's going to run up the middle. But then you see him the next day, he's trolling Trump, acting like a fake, tough guy, pretending as if he doesn't have a job, which is devastated by fire and homelessness and over budget by billions of dollars. It's bizarre. He's trying to thread this really tough needle where he wants to win a primary, so he has to cater to the far left. I mean, look who survives primaries these days.
It's Democratic socialists.
So he's got to win a primary. But at the same time, he can't ostracize the middle of the independents, which is why he interviewed with folks like Charlie Kirk and expressed remorse, if you will, for biological men and women's sports and changed his position there. But I'm not sure you can quite thread that needle because I don't think the left is going to let you get away with sewing a more middle-of-the-road position. I think you're going to see Newsom go further and further left and then try to shake it up, mix it up if he's to become the nominee and track back to the middle and pray we all forget his record. It's going to be interesting on the right.
Do you expect J.D. Vance to almost run as an incumbent? Do you expect other Republicans not to bother the challenge? The Nikki Hilles, the Ron DeSantis, the Yunkins, the Ted Cruz? Marco Rubio, do you expect people to say whatever Trump says goes?
You know, at this moment in time, J.D. Vance is very popular with the base. He seems like the frontrunner, no doubt about it. Things can change in two and a half years. I don't think it will be just him running.
Those who have said, I think there's going to be this unity ticket and everyone's going to rally around and there won't be a primary. I don't think that will happen. I do think you will have some other highly accomplished conservatives. No, that's terrible if that happens because what makes you stronger is a primary. We see what happens when you don't have a primary.
Look at Kamala Harris. Look, J.D. Vance is far more skilled than her, but a primary makes you better, makes you stronger, makes you tougher. You're exercising those muscles before you go out and face the opposite party. It would be bad for the party to just coordinate a unity ticket.
So I'm hoping others throw their hat in the ring. And at the moment, J.D. Vance, a big frontrunner, but you never know. Three years is a long time. Here's the counter to that.
If you remember a while ago, but I remember Ford when he lost the nomination or lost, came with the thought about coming back. There was a lot of people who thought he could have worked harder for Reagan or Reagan could have worked harder for Ford when he lost the nomination. And then there's Bernie. Sanders bitterly loses to Hillary Clinton. And we know it was rigged against him.
I don't know that he ever jumped on board. And Hillary, when she loses epically to Barack Obama, didn't really get on board. There wasn't against him, but ended up being Secretary of State. I think it's hard to heal afterwards. Do you?
You know, yeah, there are challenges. We remember Ted Cruz with Donald Trump and, you know, that scene at the RNC. Yes. But ultimately, I think most in our party, good rock-solid conservatives, come around, unite the party around a common vision. But I think you've got to get through that period where the media is going to try to peg you as a far-right person, whatever antics they're up to.
It's always the same. You're racist, homophobic, xenophobic. adjectives they have for the right. It's best to work those out, expose the left for what they are, and do that in a primary and then hit the ground running with that muscle as strong as can be.
So heading into the general. Kaylee, it's Thursday. I know you do an outnumber first. What about Saturday? Do you know who you've got for sure?
Yeah, so we're working on it now. We have a few ideas. I'm blanking at the moment, but it's going to be a great show. My team has sent me like 10 emails during Fox and Friends with you with our guests.
So when do you solidify your lineup? Usually Friday afternoon? Friday afternoon. I mean, you do a Saturday show too. It's like the news goes so fast in Trump world.
So the reason, you know, I don't have an answer today is because today's story is yesterday's news. And by Friday afternoon, it all changes and we shake it all up. And we're working to the last moment.
Well, we know we should, we're going to be watching on Saturday, and then we watch it outnumbered in a couple hours. Kaylee McEnany, thanks so much. Thanks, Brian. Hey, Ryan Reynolds here for Mint Mobile. You know, one of the perks about having four kids that you know about is actually getting a direct line to the big man up north.
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