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Jason Chaffetz: Jasmine Crockett made a bad situation worse

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November 23, 2025 12:00 am

Jason Chaffetz: Jasmine Crockett made a bad situation worse

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November 23, 2025 12:00 am

The discussion centers around the implications of Jeffrey Epstein's connections to high-profile politicians, including Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, and the potential consequences for their careers. The conversation also touches on the New York City budget, ICE, and the importance of law enforcement in maintaining the Constitution.

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So Donald Trump. Since I know you're watching. Ah! I have four. words for you.

Turn the volume up.

Well, I was hitting him a little hard too, in all fairness. I was, uh, you know. Hard to be totally friendly toward the opponent. Yeah, his opponent wasn't he had some interesting opponents. But he ran a good race.

I I don't know exactly what he means by turn the volume up, because turn the volume up He has to be careful when he says that to me. Jason Tavis joins us now. I mean, I hadn't heard turn the volume up, and everyone told me it means bring it on. You know, turn the volume up. Bring it on.

I'm ready for you. Jason Chaffettz, your thoughts. Anyone ever tell you to turn the volume up? Yeah, well, look, I think it's a whole different world. You can get those political muscles going.

But when you're sitting in the Oval Office on the President's terms, I think there needs to be a degree of. Um You gotta be magnanimous. You gotta be um Uh rise to the moment. Uh that kind of Political rhetoric ain't going to fly, not with the president. I think the president will be very professional.

He'll be very nice to him. He'll give him a chance. But he's not going to put up with that garbage. And I think the two points of contention are going to be the one hundred seventeen billion dollar New York City budget, and the number two is going to be ICE and how we do law enforcement and getting criminal illegal aliens off of our streets. Those two points are the President's not going to put up with much there.

But they're not going to cooperate. He said that yesterday that, oh, when it comes to what Eric Adams was doing, giving the president run, letting Tom Holman and his crew run, that's not going to happen.

So it's just interesting. He was asked that. And he was also asked about, in these local interviews, supposed to be layups for him. He was asked about his whole free bus thing. Listen to this: Cut Five.

How are you getting that money, the $700 million to make the buses free, into the MCA if she's not for raising taxes? You know, I think that the two clearest ways to raise that money is through the raising of the state's corporate tax to matches in New Jersey. I think that a lot of this is still a case to be made. Whether it's the corporate tax, whether it's the personal income tax on those who make more than a million dollars a year or more, I think that these are the clearest ways. I've also said that if there are other ways to raise this funding, the most important fact is that we fund it, not the question of how we do it, but that we do it.

Well, in that convenience. Hey, we just got to fund it. I can, I guess, borrow from rich people. Oh, that's right. I hate rich people.

Remember, he wants to end billionaires.

So, how are you going to fund it if you're not going to fund it?

Well, you know, that's a question we answered later. Look, I think he's setting himself up for one of the biggest failures because I think the expectation from New Yorkers is when you promise root beer and all the drinking fountains, and suddenly you got to start paying for it, and the people who pay the taxes decide, nah. Florida and Texas look a whole lot better, then he's going to have a real funding problem. That's why I think he's got to count on if he loses federal funding or has to get in a squabble over that, there's another thing coming.

Something's going to have to give. And I worry about the law enforcement side of it probably as much as anything because I think people in this country have the right to be safe and secure in their persons, and that's not where he's taking us. I know. But what about this tape? That you know, you know, these guys, Mark Kelly, Alyssa Slotkin, Jason Crowe.

Listen to this, cut eight. The threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but from right here at home. Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You can refuse illegal orders.

You get it. I'm not going to play it. What were you thinking when you see it, when you heard it or watched it? And what do you think now? I thought it bordered on treason.

I think when you can't point to a single time where the president has violated the law, I think it's a wink and a nod and an encouragement for people who are susceptible to maybe slowing things down or not doing what the president orders to do. Yeah, you know what? I don't want to do it. I'm a joint operator. I don't want to blow up that boat.

Look, I would tell you, almost on a daily basis, a president will privately sign executive orders that move troops, they move submarines, they do certain things on the world stage that your rank and file airman or somebody out on the ocean isn't going to understand or see. Your job is not to go get a lawyer up and go figure out whether or not the president's doing it legally and lawfully. Your job is to do what the chain of command tells you. To do.

So tell me if you think there's something to this. John Kiracow, who is a former CIA guy, he got himself in trouble because he came out against enhanced. Interrogation tactics. This is what he said because Slatnik started this. Right.

And she's CIA. Cut fourteen. This is right out of the CIA playbook. This is exactly what we were trained to do in those years that we were getting ready to go into the field. You're trained to destabilize.

You're trained to make people distrust each other. And here it is playing out on Capitol Hill. How ironic is it that when I blew the whistle on the CIA's illegal torture program, it was the Democrats who put me in prison? And now they want people to stand up because this president is the threat to democracy? Please, the hypocrisy just makes me shake my head.

Yeah, I buy all those comments. I think that's exactly right. You know, I see the parallel here with the spying, the spying on Jim Jordan. I see the spying that happened against Arctic Frost. Yeah, our Dick Frost, but it goes back to the Obama administration.

Look, I had 40 Secret Service officers come after me illegally because I was the chairman and I was grilling their boss. 40 Secret Service agents. Nothing happened to those people. How about when they spied on the Associated Press? How about Peter Rosen?

Again, James Rosen, sorry. They talk a big game, but those are illegal activities, and I didn't hear them say peep about that. Nearly home. Isn't home where we all want to be? Reba here for Realtor.com, the pro's number one most trusted app.

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Like he is Jeffrey Epstein, and they would determine Tom Massey's dispicable Rocana and others. We got to. Get justice for these women. Yeah, the women are the issue. Absolutely.

Who are older now, we're too young then. Got it. But you weren't interested at all four years ago, six years ago, eight years ago.

So Jasmine Crockett got up. And she just said, Hey, Republicans, stop being you know, because Larry Summers is in trouble. You have. You have Bill Gates is in trouble. You got the lawyer for Goldman Sachs is in trouble.

Their names are in terrible situations with obviously Bill Clinton. Here's what Jasmine Crockett tries to push back with: cut twenty. Folks who also took money from somebody named Jeffrey Epstein, as I had my team dig in very quickly. Mitt Romney. The NRCC.

Lee Zeldon. George Bush, Wynne Ray. McCain Palin. Rick Lazio. I just want to be clear.

If this is the standard that we're going to make, just know we're going to expose it all. Hey, more power to you. If your lead is Mitt Romney, you're probably marking up the wrong tree. Yeah, Mitt Romney was the big problem on the return. He's always been a discipline issue.

Oh, yeah, it's a big, big problem. We've known about that.

So the problem is with Lise Eldon, as you know, is Elise Eldon got money from his Manhasset New York doctor. I'm Emin Hassett, for I think a small amount of money, who goes by the name Dr. Jeffrey Epstein. Because that's his name. It's a pretty common name.

So she was called out by Lee Zeldon.

So Jasmine Crockett goes on CNN and has to defend it. Listen to this, Cut 21. I never said that it was that Jeffrey Epstein.

So my team, what they did is they Googled. And that is specifically why I said, A Jeffrey Epstein. Unlike Republicans, I at least don't go out and just tell lies. Because it was not the same one, that's fine. But he admitted that he did receive donations from a Jeffrey Epstein.

So at least I wasn't trying to mislead people.

Now, have I dug in to find out who this doctor is? I have not.

So I will trust and take what he says. I literally had maybe 20 minutes before I had to do that debate.

So she was rushed.

So I how dare you rush her? But so I googled it. And it was Jeffrey Epstein, just not the one we were talking about. It was on the internet, so it had to be true enough that I could put my reputation online. Never mind that evidently a donation or two or whatever came in years after Jeffrey Epstein died.

Yeah. You know, and so don't let facts get in the way. It's that it's what I'm saying. What about her explanation, Jason? I mean, just it's a classic case they should teach us in school about how to make a bad situation worse.

They say that I googled it. I was right. I was in a rush. I had to go. I say Jeffrey Epstein.

Okay. Number one, I got it wrong, but I was right in getting it wrong. And number two is like, it's not my fault I was in a rush.

Okay, was it mine? To do what? No one said quickly, get Republican names. That's your idea. And you felt like you were rushed.

By the way, I hear she's brutal with her staff. Can you imagine the staffer that got her the wrong Jeffrey Epstein? Do you think she was understanding?

Well, she only had 20 minutes, evidently, to do that. To try to get rid of the talking points for those horrible Republicans.

So, this is, I think, going to be the ultimate boomerang. I'm looking right now at William Burns, former CIA director, meeting with Jeffrey Epstein multiple times. Hakeem Jeffries, Jeffrey Epstein was asked to go to one of his fundraisers.

Now, do you think Bill Clinton says he responded to the subpoena? No. He testified because he was going to do that. James Comer put out a thing today saying, hey, no, you haven't responded. You do have to come in for this deposition.

And the difference here from like when I was there is that he has a Republican Pambondi-led Attorney General and you have Janine Pirro. When you have somebody who doesn't comply with a subpoena, it goes to the U. S. Attorney for the District of Columbia. That's Janine Perrot.

Do you think she's going to want to enforce that subpoena? I'm guessing yes. I'm guessing yes. So, yeah, but what if he says I don't feel well? I mean, he could say medical reasons.

I don't know.

Well, you can you can if you can Do these in a hospital bed if that's really where you're at?

So, do you think?

So, think about this. Do you know that the Clintons are saying, are you serious? Are you guys really pushing this? Because they know they're going to be caught in the crossfire. They voted on it.

Now they're out there all on the record on it. They thought they had Trump, but again, they didn't do their homework. Trump distanced himself from Epsy a long, long time ago. I think he was on to. This guy being a really bad guy kicked him out of Mar-a Lago, for instance, you know, a long, long time ago.

Right. So, I mean, it's Harvey Weinstein, it's Bill Cosby, it's O.J. Simpson. You think they're good guys, once they end up being double murderers, child molesters, whatever it is.

So you go, wow, okay. But now all of a sudden, all these papers are going to come out and they're going to say, what are you doing? Like this rummiller, rum miller with this famous attorney, well-known attorney for Goldman Sachs, how does she keep her job? She was going back and forth with Epstein after he was to prison and got out again. And they're talking about calling Bill Clinton.

And going on a trip. And when Bill Clinton, when they said, should we call him? he goes, Well, as a lawyer, I probably wouldn't recommend he comes with us.

So she knew exactly the jeopardized. How do you keep your job? Look, here's the thing: Bill Clinton, as a former president, has lifetime secret service. They have records. They know everywhere he's been, every place he's been.

probably even have records as to who he met with. And so They got to be really careful in the cross-referencing. That if the Department of Justice really wanted to, they could compare those records to whatever testimony he has. And he's got to know that. They're the Secret Service, but they're still law enforcement, and those rules go away if you've been breaking the law, which is the allegation.

Do you know Thomas Massey? I do very well. And your thoughts? He doesn't necessarily always think these things through the way I would. He's a nice guy.

Isn't he like a scientist? He is a very accomplished.

So I have to get to the bottom of this. Because why? Because he's upset at. Trump. But evidently he's going to keep his seat, it was explained to me, because He got a bridge built in Maryland.

And got it built without having tolls on it.

So everyone in the area loves him for it.

So that's why he keeps getting re-elected.

Well, he's in Kentucky and it's a very I mean, the Kentucky's the same place that You know, they elect Rand Paul too.

So that libertarian streak that he has bodes does well for him there. Yeah, what are you going to be on today? Uh so I'm going to be on the big uh the big uh weekend show over the weekend, but I'm on on Will Kane later this afternoon, and then I'm I'm guest hosting, uh, filling in with uh for the um The bottom line with Dagon McDowell.

So you know who's hosting Will Kane today? Yes. I'm really worried about it, actually. Do you know who it is? Yeah.

I think this guy named Brian Killmead. Yes, at 4 o'clock.

So I'll be hosting with you. Don't have an attitude or chip on your shoulder. Bring your A-game, or I'll throw you out early. I'll just go to break. They told me: do push-ups.

Be ready. Have a lot of caffeine. We're not sitting at a desk. We are walking the whole time. I better change.

Put on sneakers. Jason Chapis, thanks so much. Thank you. See you in a bit. Hey, Ryan Reynolds here.

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