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Yes, it does. Patriot Awards were awesome last night. It was good to see you there. Was that your first time you went? No, I went.
I've been several times. We did. I did seminal. And then we had the one in Nashville a couple of years ago, which is my hometown, which was a lot of fun. But I always leave that place thinking that event, man, there's a lot of awesomeness in the world.
It's very uplifting all the time. And I thought, as it always is, it delivered on that front again last night. Yeah, I think it did. It's a very red, white, and blue event. And it's a lot of fun to see everybody out and about.
And it's kind of cool. Long Island University, I actually went to that college, but for the most part, we were in Hollywood, Florida for a while. Nashville was great, and we'll see where we go again. Clay, right now, for what you see, do you hear anything, or do you want to save it for your show about a lockout ending, shutdown? I mean, you want to fly out of here.
This affects everybody. At what point do people realize this is a loser for everybody? I think the flight situation is potentially going to mobilize a lot of people to get things solved because Democrat, Republican, Independent, I tell y'all, when you show up and you're trying to go through that TSA line. I saw it over three hours in Houston this week. And I'm flying out tonight.
And I was just telling you when I sat down, you know, Delta sent me an email and they said, Hey, just so you know, your flight might or might not exist today. And so I got an email. Yeah, I know. He's like, Well, thanks. But I'm supposed to leave, you know, about 3 Eastern and head out to the airport as soon as I finish my radio show.
And I got no idea if I got a flight or not. And so that's frustrating to people across the board. Did you hear what the guy from Frontier said, the president? No, not yet. He said, Yeah, whatever you do, book another airline, book a flight later.
So if you're on Delta, book one on American an hour later. By the way, why would that work for anybody's advantage? All of a sudden, one minute this plane sold out. The next minute it's wide open. I, I, it's funny.
I did that.
So I have a there is a late night flight out of uh out of here where we are in New York City to get to my hometown of Nashville, Southwest Airlines. And Southwest is the primary airline hub, honestly, for Nashville.
So I fly them all the time. But in the event that got canceled, I. I'm trying to get back home, and so I might be flying out at 10.
So I think there's probably a lot of people doing what I do. If I don't need to use that flight, Southwest's pretty good refund policy, I'll get the money back. But I just, I kind of want to get out of the city. I know.
So let's talk about your book because it plays into what goes on. You really believe Democrats have lost the mail vote, that testosterone has been missing. Did anything change after this election for you? No. I think the biggest thing is if you look at the numbers, 600,000 Trump voters didn't show up in Virginia and didn't show up in New Jersey.
Now, it's an off-year election, but Trump got more votes in Virginia and New Jersey than either of the Democrat winning candidates did.
So turnout was down substantially, and turnout was down more substantially for Trump voters.
Now, where I think going forward becomes the challenge is when Trump's not on the ballot, Do Republicans have the ability to mobilize his low-propensity voters? I think that's going to be the number one story of 2026. I think it'll be the number one story of 2028, candidly. But I do believe if you go look at those returns, even for the people who showed up, I shared this data this morning. I don't know if you kind of dove into it.
I love looking at the data for white voters. Only white college-educated women voted for the winning Democrat candidates. Every other group voted against the winning Democrat candidates. And this book came out of a trip that I made to the University of Chicago in February, where they had a gender identity discussion panel. And I went on and they were talking about why did young men and why did men overwhelmingly break for Republicans?
The Democrat brand is toxic with young men. They use it as an insult. You know, I've got three boys. They will kid each other with, oh, you're a Kamala voter or, oh, you're a Democrat because the Democrat Party has completely turned its back on young men. And I would say on testosterone and men in general.
So interesting how they're compensating, cursing. Yeah. Right. They started to decide to act tougher. We're going to put out even Schumer.
Is pretending like he's from the Bowery. You know, we used to talk about this, Brian. You've interviewed every politician under the sun at some point in time. But, you know, we used to talk about this. Who was the guy you'd most like to have a beer with?
And I remember that back in the day with George W. Bush and Al Gore, and certainly with Bill Clinton and even Barack Obama. Who is the Democrat that you would like to just hang out with and watch a game? I hear you. Absolutely.
And especially now, I feel like it's a very judgmental party. They're waiting for you to drop and make a mistake, to do something politically incorrect. What I'm so heartened by is that we're all leaving that. And the people that tried that, that started was Hollywood. And they're the first one going, I can't hire a crew because they got to be diverse.
They got to have a questionable gender. I can't get the best key grip, the best audio guy, the best director. Because if I want to win an award, I got to have a more diverse cast. And I got to change every story to make some type of minority the hero. Yeah, and this is why I always say people sometimes get mad at me.
I spent a lot of time out in LA with Fox Sports over the last decade because Fox Sports is primarily based there. And so I've been on a lot of studio sets. The number of guys walking around carrying the camera, building the sets who will come up and give you a fist pound and be like, dude, I agree with everything you say. You know, people tend to think of Hollywood as a left-wing town. The people who build the sets, the people who carry around the cameras, that very often is not true.
Now, the star on the camera, the person making All the money and the executives, that can be very much the case. That is a left-wing town. But the people who build things in Hollywood, and there's still a lot of them, people who make movies and do it with a physical capacity of their job, they tend to be a lot of them on our team. Absolutely. So I'll bring you to General Sports 2.
The story in the back page of the New York Post, did you see it today? Yeah. Giants kicker Graham Gannow reveals he's receiving multiple death threats from people, whether he hits a field goal or misses. From people betting. Yeah.
And, you know, you blew it. You hit that field goal. You blew it. You missed that field goal. Your groin injury was hidden from me.
You cost me X amount of dollars. I've heard other players complain about this. This is the age where everyone's betting. Every 20-year-old is betting, 25-year-old. And now you're getting mad at the players you used to worship.
Yeah, it's funny in some ways. My best advice on this, and I think. If actually, you want to hear him say it? Yeah. I'm 41.
I hear everyone else's frustration, media, fans. I mean shoot, ever since sports betting started happening, I get people telling me to kill myself every week, you know, because I'll hit a kick that loses them money, I'll miss a kick and it loses them money. It was the other day somebody told me to get cancer and die. That stuff's part of it. Just being like playing this long, that stuff you're used to it by now.
So. But with that being said, like I see everyone's frustration and I'm frustrated too. I just want to play ball and I think that just constantly not being able to is tough. But I'm doing everything I can to try and come back and play and I mean that's my hope. Would you say this is just inevitable the minute they started making gambling?
Yeah, I also think it's a sign. I know gambling is the connection here, but social media is just toxic. Right. He was getting written letters. Oh, written letters.
Well, written letters. You know, we got written death threat letters to the house, and we had to turn those over. Written letters to sound scarier, and people are crazy. And obviously, I think people should be prosecuted for any of this. And I do think that would help on some level.
But I tell him the same thing I tell my boys. Um I don't know that you gain anything from looking at comments from people you don't know. In life, in general, one of the best big pieces of advice I ever got was: never take criticism from somebody you wouldn't ask for advice. Right. It's the first time.
And that's called everybody.
So don't take it from anybody. You know, we do this show, and I remember talking with Colin Cowherd, who's a good buddy of mine. And, you know, his social media grew. And he said, you know, you go into the mentions and somebody will be like, I don't know why you're talking about the Lakers right now. Why are you talking about the Cowboys?
Because they're big teams and lots of people care, right? Who knows better what people want to hear? The person who has been doing the job for decades or the person who has decided to pull their phone out and send a message. And his advice was, and I think it's a good advice for young broadcasters, don't read mentions during your show because you get people in your head. And if you're worried about what they are saying, you don't do the best job.
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I hear you. So listen, Clay's got his book out. It's called Balls: How Trump, Young Men, and Sports Saved America. He interviewed Trump about 10 times, right? Maybe more.
And do you get the sense that this was intention, or this is just Trump's speed that happened to unite men around him because they could relate more to him? I think it's innate. Trump spent his entire life to a large extent in locker rooms. I think he connects well with men. Trump is the kind of thing it surprises people who have not spent time around him.
And I know you have. And people say, okay, what do you like? In my experience, super nice. Um and very welcoming. And very quick to give credit to others.
The kind of guy who would walk into a locker room and be really well liked by everybody. And I think that maybe surprises some people. But Trump one-on-one is very, very good. He gives you a great deal of attention, a lot of positive feedback. He's interested in what you say and what, in my experience.
And so I think that you go back and look at Trump at old school WrestleManias or the big fights with Mike Tyson back in the day in Atlantic City. There he is ringside trying to put these events on. And now he's going to be doing the UFC fight in June, it appears, at the White House. He just loves it. He loves being in the arena.
He likes the conflict, the combat of sports. And it helps him as a politician. Yeah, I think 100% because. What matters, I think, in this day and age, and it's going to matter even more as we move into even more of an AI age, is do people think you're real? Do people believe, they may not agree with you, but do they believe you're authentic about the way you act and behave?
And that is, that's why we have no, I have no patience for Gavin Newsom. Yeah, it's a total act. Completely. I mean, you could say when your body can't even match your words, his hands. You know, if you're Italian, you talk with your hands.
It's genetic. My wife makes fun of me. I'm not Italian. She's Italian, but I talk with my hands all the time. But your hands have to match what you're saying.
He's all over the place because I don't think his head is attached. His mind, he's not saying anything he means. Here's my concern. He's an articulate liar. And Democrats are really wrong on almost every issue.
Especially when he's defending his work in California. How can you do that? It's completely correct. Mom Donnie is an articulate liar. They want that story because it convinces them they're on the right side of history.
So you and I might be out there and we're like, okay, well, if you do X, then the consequences are Y. That's how logically people think. Candidly, I think it's one reason that Republicans are doing so well with men because they may not agree with everything, but they look at it and they say, okay, logically kind of analyze it. A lot of Democrats are emotion. And they want to emotionally feel seen and they want to emotionally feel heard.
I mean, you know, even the Mom Donnie election that we just had in New York City. If he actually puts his policies in place, everything that he has complained about. Gets worse. It doesn't get better, right? And we can logically work through that and say, okay, well, if you're worried about the cost of housing, you need way more housing.
You don't need to limit what you can charge for the existing housing because that's actually just going to make the situation worse. Clay, it plays to what I believe is going to be the debate, I think, for a responsible Republican is you have to go to bat for capitalism. Yes. No, in views for democracy.
Okay. That didn't fly. You tried to say democracy. But if you just explain to people capitalism, and the rich people are good, rich people actually, usually they're the ones who outworked you.
Sometimes you got to get lucky, but you could look, if you look at their timesheet, say the hours, right? And say the hours, I had a goal. I have an opportunity to get a goal. You should love that that guy's in a beautiful hummer. And if that's what you're doing.
I agree. You should. I think we have to explain it. I think the way to think about it is we got to build a bigger pizza. Anybody who's ever been to a party and there's eight slices of pizza and there's nine people there, somebody's going to get screwed.
The only way to make everybody happy is to build a bigger pizza so everybody gets a slice. And capitalism expands the economy faster than any other historical organization system in place. The downside of capitalism is It works so well. That it creates the luxury of time and space to argue that there are other systems that would work better. Yeah.
You know, like these kids out there, I understand why you're frustrated. Like the cost of lifestyle in New York City and in many cities around America is very high. Forever, by the way. It was never cheap. Yes.
Now, but you. As you get older, come to understand. Hopefully, how capitalism works, but dads and mom are helping to front their bills. They don't have any idea, they're frustrated. I do think, Brian, the CEO of Palantir said this recently, Palantir, however you pronounce it.
No, Palantir. Yeah, Palantir, said that we're headed for, and I think New York City over-indexes this, a world where super young college graduates who paid for great degrees that they thought were going to guarantee their success, Ivy League schools, where a lot of these 22 and 23-year-olds don't have the jobs that they think they should. And they're looking around, and suddenly the guy who's the plumber or the guy who is the car mechanic, things that physically you still can produce with your hands is more value than they do in an AI era as a young lawyer. I mean, lots of young lawyers, Brian, are going to get replaced in terms of the work that they can do more efficiently, either outsourced to other countries or just AI. They say this is the biggest shift since the cell phone.
Yes. And what it did to other, to the landline business, for lack of a better term, since 2003. They say when everyone went out of a job, the nothing anyone did is called progress.
So when those job numbers come out, Trump's. Going to get hit 16,000 lost on Amazon, 7,000.
So he's going to get, but it's really nothing to do with him at all. No, you're 100% right. And I also think the Trump economy issue that he's going to get hit on, and I don't remember this. You were too young probably to remember it too. Biden was so bad.
That the vestiges of the price increase that occurred so rapidly in his tenure is still lingering because everybody out there is upset when they go get a fast food meal. Like I do at Chick-fil-A with my family and I have to pay over 50 bucks. Everything just costs way more than it should because prices skyrocketed so rapidly. And the historic analogy here is it took a while for people to learn that Reagan had fixed much of the economy. Because Carter was so bad.
I think that's what Trump is dealing with right now: the hangover of Biden. Kush had benefited from Bush 41. Pick up Clay's book. It is out this week. It's called Balls: How Trump.
Young Men and Sports Saved America. Thanks, Clay. Thank you, Brian. Keep killing it.
