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So, the name of the book is Woke is Dead. And Pierce Morgan wrote the book. It's not, and I don't bring that up because he's here. I was going to talk about this anyway, even though it's the week that his book launched. But I paid for it, I downloaded your book.
Good. You're not getting a free one.
Well, I know. I'm just thinking to myself, I'm probably not because I know Pierce Morgan. But first of all, I know you're doing a bunch of media for it to get the word out for it. I just play into what your book is about: Gold's Gym. A woman is upset that a trans man's in the locker room.
Have you heard this? Yeah, I saw the video. It's ridiculous. Let's listen. Did you tell me or not that women like to see?
Asking you a fing question. Exactly. Exactly. Get out of the way. No.
Now he knows how to be a man, right?
Now he knows how to be a man. Stay out of the room, it's locked in the room. We don't want it. He needs to have a gym membership evoked with that sh ⁇ . I'm trying to get away from that.
But you know what? The woman got tossed out. It's unbelievable. They can't be totally dead yet. Right.
So the wokeists, as I call them, the wokeies, they love to pride themselves on victimhood. But here you have an actual victim, a woman who resents a biological male being in her dressing room, quite understandably. And she's the one that gets thrown out for complaining about it, not the biological male who's invading women's spaces. And you don't have to be, by the way, talk about being transphobic or anything like that. You can appreciate that trans people have a right to exist, that they have a right to fairness, equality, and safety, but not at the expense of women's rights.
I don't know if you watched my show today because you follow my career very closely. I do very assiduously. And it really is a benchmark of how not to do it. That hurts my feelings. It didn't go the way I thought.
So I was interviewing this professional women soccer player who's an 11-year veteran of the league. And she just made a statement that I want to make sure that trans men don't play soccer. Can you imagine this?
So she makes a statement. Two of her teammates. Invited to a wedding, came out and said, We are an accepting city. How dare we're a team that accepts all rights and racism. They'd accept it, Brian, right to the point those two actually have their places taken by biological males.
Let's be clear. You know, I interviewed a woman called Betty Yee. Who's a candidate to be governor of California? This was like two weeks ago on my show. Right.
And she was advocating for a gender-neutral Olympics. I said, what? Because it's going to LA in like, in like two years. I said, You had men and women competing together, yes. She said, especially in track and field, because it's not such an advantage.
Oh, wait, what?
So you'd have Usain Bolt lining up against women sprinters, for example. Complete lunacy. No woman, I think apart from maybe one or two events, no woman would have any hope of winning any medal. That is a utopia for the wokist left. And you point out, too, that Marina Martina Navitilova, who was one of the first professional athletes, major professional athletes to come out and say, I'm a lesbian, she said the same word you just said.
And she got ripped and she basically just faded away.
So I'm not going to bring this up anymore. She goes, I don't think that women's tennis should welcome in a trans man. Of course not. Because look, you could be the number 500 male tennis player. Maybe number 1,000 now, actually.
I think Serena Williams admitted this. That the number, the top 1,000 men in the world would beat Serena at her peak, right? That's not to denigrate women's sport. It's to protect women's sport from the obvious unfair advantage that male physiology gives. Men.
So, a couple of things.
So, in reading your book, you talk about how it affected your life. Yeah. And then you bring it to other things and did research. And you talk about how Anne Frank was here. She was labeled basically a white supremacist.
So, this is a woman that hid from the Nazis and ended up dying. I mean, how just that sentence alone, just think about that for a moment. This is what the woke left did, even to someone like Anne Frank. You know, and it got to the stage where, in the BLM period, for example, you would have heads of companies who would issue like groveling statements, right, about their support for BLM. But if they weren't quite groveling enough, they got fired.
Right, so we were just through this incredibly puritanical period where people were getting cancelled left, right, and center. Thank God. I think post-Donald Trump's re-election, the kind of woke ideology is now on the retreat and people have worked out that it's really bad for society. And you hedge it to it, you link it to Donald Trump. By the way, that story is one of the ones I picked out.
And the story is that, you know, given the state, this poetry, it's a poetry society. He comes out and he apologizes. He goes, it's too short. You're fired. Yes.
It wasn't groveling enough. It never is, right? You can never bow to the woke mob because it's never enough.
So Trump actually won on this by using common sense. And maybe Dave Chappelle was one of the first to speak out. In the comedy world, comedians took it the hardest and they were the first to break it. But how did it affect you?
Well, you came out against the world of Harry and Megan. I was doing a show called Good Morning Britain in Britain. It was the big morning show. The ratings were on fire. We trebled them in like three, four years.
And the Oprah Winfrey interview came out, and I immediately Knew that Meghan Markle was lying about a few things she was saying. For example, she said the Archbishop of Canterbury secretly married her and Harry in their back garden three days before Telephy's wedding. If that had been true, the Archbishop of Canterbury would be in jail. It's a criminal offence for him to have done that.
So I knew this was nonsense. Then they made all these outrageous allegations of racism against the royal family. They've never produced any evidence. I didn't believe it at the time. I don't believe it now.
She said she couldn't get any help for her mental health problems because the palace wouldn't let her. Her husband is literally the chairman of various mental health charities. It's like, what are you talking about?
So, for disbelieving Princess Pinocchio, as I called her, I got told you either have to apologize because the woke mob came for ITV, my network, bombarded all the executives with furious rants. 57,000 of them, who weren't viewers of the show, 57,000 of them complained to the television regulator Ofcom about me. Two things happened: I was told, apologize or you lose your job. I left. Second, five months later, the TV regulator rejects all 57,000 complaints.
They said it would have been an insidious, chilling infringement of my free speech rights not to disbelieve Megan Markle and Prince Harry.
Well, of course it would. We live in a democratic society. I don't have to believe a word you're saying, Brian Killmead. I rarely do. Right, but that doesn't mean to say I get canceled for it.
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So, are you giving, in what way do you give Trump credit for ending it or helping end it? I just think at the core of Donald Trump is a core of common sense, right? He's just somebody that immediately said, if I get back into the White House, trans athletes will be banned from women's sport. He's right. You'd have to like Donald Trump to accept.
He's right about that. He's the same about a lot of issues on the woke level. People believe that, but they were afraid to say it. He's not afraid to say anything, as you know. Correct.
And it takes courage to do that.
So for a while, you said one thing. You admitted you were wrong about vaccines. You were very judgmental about people who did not want to take a vaccine. You didn't take into account maybe some of the after effects or that it was brand new and people had legitimate concerns.
Well, I'll be completely honest. What happened was the scientific advice at the time, I was covering this every day, was they said for quite a long time, as did all the experts, that if you took the vaccine, it would stop you transmitting the virus to other people.
So, therefore, there was a kind of moral public duty involved. Where if you didn't take it, you could infect everybody and maybe kill old people and so on.
So, I took a very overly censorious view. I don't deny that for a moment. I've left my tweets up. I like a lot of people who delete them. I've left them there, and there are people who regularly retweet them.
I've got no problem with being held to account for the stuff I tweeted at the time. It was intemperate, it was over the top, but it was based on scientific advice, which turned out to be completely wrong. The moment they said, actually, it makes no difference to transmission if you have the vaccine or not, in that moment it becomes personal choice. And I've learned a hard lesson.
Next time there's a big health pandemic like that, I would certainly be far more cynical and skeptical about specific scientific advice because a lot of it turned out to be wrong.
So, Pierce, why do you think that it's I know you said woke is dead. Do you think it's dead forever? No, I don't think it's actually dead yet. It's an aspiration. I think the woke ideology has been killed off, but a lot of people haven't got the memo yet.
So, I think it's incumbent on all of us. I called it like whack-a-mole. You know, whack-a-mole when things pop out and you whack them back. If it rears its ugly head, we collectively should just make sure we whack it straight back. Wokeism is the antidote to a it's the antithesis of a free democratic society.
It is everything a free democratic society is not. Are you the best talk show hosts in the world? Yes. Why do you think, why are you hedging on that?
Well, because I got 4.3 million subscribers to my YouTube channel in three years, and as you know, Brian, you haven't. Right.
I think YouTube is a fan. It's going to fade away. Black and white television is coming back. But, Pierce, overall, you believe that? And a lot of other people believe that.
Are you worried about being too good and not showing any room for improvement? No, because I always seek improvement. I just interviewed Cristiano Ronaldo. It's airing on my uncensored channel now. And he's a guy that is never happy.
He constantly wants to score more goals. And you are like him. I'm the Ronaldo of interviewers. Woke his dad, his name is fuck. Pierce Morgan, thanks so much.
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