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Democrat Julian Epstein: Left is creating an environment of violence

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September 18, 2025 12:39 pm

Democrat Julian Epstein: Left is creating an environment of violence

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September 18, 2025 12:39 pm

The discussion revolves around the assassination of Charlie Kirk, a prominent figure, and the subsequent reaction from the left, including Jimmy Kimmel's insensitive comments. The conversation also touches on the topic of left-wing extremism, cancel culture, and identity politics, particularly in the context of Kamala Harris's book and her potential 2024 presidential campaign.

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Liquid IV's new energy multiplier sugar-free, hydrating energy. Tap the banner to learn more. Here's an extended clip. of Jimmy Campbell, Cut seventeen. We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from.

And in between the finger pointing, there was grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at half-staff, which got some criticism. But on a human level, you can see how hard the president is taking this. Condulces on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk. May I ask, sir, personally, how are you holding up over the last day and a half, sir?

I think very good. And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks that just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House. which is something they've been trying to get, as you know, for about 150 years. And it's going to be a beauty. Yes, he's at the fourth stage of grief, construction.

Okay. Demolition. Instruction. This is not how an adult grieves the murder of someone he called a friend. This is how a four-year-old mourns a goldfish, okay?

Meanwhile, It's so inappropriate, so inaccurate, so tone-deaf. President is upset as anyone, like a family member. If you watched our show on Friday, he was there. If you saw him Thursday commemorate the twenty four years since the nine eleven attacks, he was not even the same person. He was so dispirited and down after the assassination of his friend, someone he considered a son.

And this guy thinks it's funny.

So I'm not, this is accumulation. That's what ABC decided to do. I would not say that Trump's hands on this, but I know he loves it. Julian Epstein served as Chief White House Counsel for Judge Kuske, Chief Counsel to the House Judiciary Committee and Staff Director to the House Oversight Committee from 1996 to 2001. He's a Democrat.

Julian, your thoughts about. Those remarks? And are you concerned that Barack Obama is saying that the President's canceling people that don't like him?

Well, first of all, good morning, Brian, and thank you for having me back. And my condolences to you. I know Charlie was a friend of yours, as he was to so many people over at Fox. And my condolences to his family. It's a tragic day.

You know, you can't, I can't think of. You know, the last time in our lifetime where we've had a major political figure assassinated. And here was a guy who was assassinated. For no other reason other than his willingness to go into the public square and engage people and try to show people where they may have not fully thought out their point of view. It's a tragic loss for the country.

My response to your question is I think the left is getting dangerously Close if they haven't already crossed the line into a culture of violence. They are, the left rhetoric is creating an environment that invites violence. When you call people a fascist all the time, you would think that you are. inviting people to respond. to defend against fascism, which would imply a violent response.

So you see the left, I think, that is dangerously in a number of ways creating an environment of violence. And then The whole bit with Jimmy Kimmel is the mocking, the ridiculing. Uh Uh The assassination and the mourners while they are in mourning. And this seems to me just to be getting dangerously close to A culture of violence. We've seen this with the left refusing to denounce the pro-Hamas protesters on college campuses.

We've seen this with the violence against ICE officials in LA, the summer of 2020, the assassination attempts against Trump, the assassinations. Of the Israeli embassy employees, the attempted assassination of Kavanaugh. I mean, this is starting to become a trend where. Left-wing extremists are taking. the rhetoric of democratic politicians into their own hands and saying, They have given us a framework to justify a violent response.

And rather than Understanding, having self-awareness to understand how the left is creating this environment. What the left is doing is they are sort of minimizing. The gravity of the moment. There are some that are actually celebrating the death. And there are others like Barack Obama yesterday and.

Jimmy Kimmel's grotesque comments, the ABC reporters' sort of bizarre theory of the Romeo and Juliet theory. Um They are sort of just not understanding the importance of this moment. They're showing gross insensitivity. To the tens of millions of people that are mourning. And they've just missed the moment.

You're perfect to ask this because I don't know the answer. Yeah. If you ask me things about the economy, I'm not a big economist. You might say, don't you know? And then fill in the blank.

I don't really track the economy on a micro level. I don't have that rich background. When you ask intelligent people sometimes Things like, you know, the Hunter Biden laptop was real. No, it wasn't. It was, it was Russian.

No, no, it was real. They just don't know. They don't know the whole Russia thing was a hoax. They don't understand really what happened at Charlottesville.

Now, I'm not saying President Trump is perfect, but when things are proven to be inaccurate, they just don't even get it.

So Jimmy Kimball saying what he said. Does he fully understand that Charlie Kirk was like the president's son? That they were lit with each other sometimes for weeks on end? That he considered Eric and Don Junior especially like a brother? That he was everywhere like you It's not up to you to judge how somebody handles somebody's death.

I do you think he really is oblivious to the other side like that? I think a lot of left-wingers, a lot of all of us, live in bubbles, and the algorithms feed us constantly limited or misinformation. I think that's a major problem of social media. But I think Kimmel not on the show is a gross insensitive a grotesque. Insensitivity to the people who are mourning Charlie Kirk's death, but a remarkable ignorance.

And he claims that the shooter. with somebody from the right when there's just All the evidence is to the contrary. Yeah, I know you're a comedian, but is that a problem? Julian, he's a comedian. People go, well, he's a comedian.

What's the big deal? It's a really big deal because your monologues you're taking from the news.

Well, any fool can read the front page of the newspapers and know that it's not true. And it shows you what happens when people who come ideological, they just screen out information that contradicts their worldview. And yeah, I mean, I think the Hunter Biden laptop is a good example. I talk to liberals and progressives all the time. who still think it was uh uh that was a false story.

And still believe in the Russia hoax. And they people just don't. The problem with the left, Ryan, is they never steelman the argument. They strawman the argument. Steelman the argument means you take the other side's best argument.

So you take the conservatives or the Republicans' best argument. Strongest argument on an issue, say the Hunter Biden laptop, and then you try to dissect it. But the left doesn't do that. The left never tries to steelman the argument. The left always will take the gibberish that is coming from sort of social media or the legacy media that is not reporting the issue fairly or fully, and they just sort of regurgitate and repeat that.

And that's what most people are doing. They're just sort of in politics today, they're just sort of repeating. Their positions from Largely from an emotional standpoint. I mean, sort of, I constantly run into progressives who think that the only thing in the world that matters is how they. emotionally understand a moral issue.

And Regard uh the facts never s seem to matter. And I think Jimmy Kimmel's You know, sort of obscene comments the other day. Um Reflect that. By the way, this is not cancel culture. Cancel culture was when you deplatform people because of their political views.

This is companies taking a position to let people go, or schools firing teachers because they are really bad people. When you when you ridicule the death of somebody who is a hero to tens of millions of people around the world and shows such gross insensitivity and such an inability to grasp the moment. That's not the kind of person That you want to have teaching our kids. It's not the kind of person that ought to be doing a late-night TV show. No one's canceling them, nobody's cutting their free speech.

But they are saying you are so reprehensible. That you don't belong in this position.

So it's very different from cancel culture. Yeah, I think it very much is. For example, I interviewed that nurse on Tuesday who went up to a doctor who was celebrating, a doctor, a surgeon who was celebrating Charlie Kirk's death. He goes, You're a doctor. How could you be celebrating Charlie Girk's death?

Well, he's a terrible person. Don't agree with his politics. He goes, You're a doctor. Your job is to, you know, do no harm. And so he ends up getting fired.

But yeah. What what else he doing if Charlie Kirk came in there with a bullet in him? Would he have not operated or would he have let him die? I mean, that's the indication by the way he acted. But I want to bring it to you.

You know, the funny thing, Brian, the funny thing about it, real quickly, is I talk to progressives a lot of time, and the people that minimize his death and say they didn't like his point of view, I always ask them, what is it that you didn't like about his point of view? What were the positions that he took that you found so offensive? And they're constantly at a loss. As to being able to explain what it is exactly. That they didn't like, and I constantly point out he's merely sort of questioning the orthodoxy and showing where the orthodoxy isn't fully thought through.

It's remarkably thin, the criticism when you peel back the onion.

So Kamala Harris has got this book coming out, desperate to get desperate to get sales, obviously, but she's got to say things that she hadn't said before. The latest story is she picked Tim Waltz as his second choice as her running mate because essentially she felt Americans were too racist, anti-Semitic, and homophobic to accept her preferred option. Pete Buttigiege was her choice. She said. And she described Buddha Judge as her first choice, but later deemed the openly gay former transportation sector to be too big of a risk.

Would have been an ideal partner if I were a straight white man. But we're already asking a lot of America to accept a woman, a black woman, a black woman married to a Jewish man. Part of me wanted to say, screw it, just let's do it, but knowing what was at stake, it was too big of a risk. Wow, does she think America's terrible or what? About everything in identity terms, which most Americans don't.

Um Second, she I guess she assumes that having a gay person on the ticket is a liability. That's news for. A progressive I thought progressives thought that would be something that would be Something that was a good thing. You know, I think Tim Waltz was a terrible choice. Every time I see him, I think of the Saturday Night Live character, Chris Farley, the sort of the slightly overweight guy who was sort of just clumsily like a bull in a china shop, working his way through a room and knocking everything over in its wake.

Uh Josh Shapiro was not. Not selected because he was Jewish. It was not selected because he was pro-Israel. The problem that Jewish people were. She quickly up against it.

10 seconds. Most Democrats took it. She was a horrible candidate, and she was very too far left, and nothing was going to fix that. And this book should finish her. Finisher.

With the message, I hear you. I'm Emily Campano. This week on the Fox True Crime Podcast, I'm joined by attorney and spokesperson for the Friends of Amanda Knox organization, Ann Bremner, who's featured in the new Fox Nation special, Framed. Listen and follow now at FoxtrueCrime.com.

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