'It was me': Charlie Kirk assassin allegedly confessed on Discord

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Hi everyone, Brian Kilman here coming your way. We're moving forward on the Charlie Kirk assassination investigation. We're looking forward to the tributes that are coming this weekend on Sunday. Great coverage and insightful coverage. I'm sure there's no better place to be than on Fox.

Lawrence Jones will be one of the co-hosts there. You knew Charlie. They both came up almost as peers running in campus reform and hit him, of course, with Turning Point. And they were still trying to, the investigation has been fascinating because we are getting a look at the underworld in a way and detailed way that I think really has to be attacked and addressed as we see Tyler Robinson's world and the fact that he basically, in his own words, not to cops, not to investigators, admitted. I did this.

I have to do it.

Sorry, guys. That's it. It's been great. You've been amazing. Gotta go.

And that was his not addressed to a bunch of people in the real world, in his Discord world, pun intended. And then we find out about his obsession in the furry community, the trans community, and how he was obsessed with killing Charlie Kirk. But I still think there's so many questions out there, and I love the fact that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino are saying, Hey, we're going to keep you up to date on what's going on. I don't care anyone's perception. Don't tell me how Robert Mueller did it or anybody else did it.

This is the way we're doing it. I think it's important.

Meanwhile, there's other big stories going on. One of this hour a little bit later. I'm going to talk about what's happening in politics with Joe Manchin. He's got his brand new book out. But also.

What's happening in Gaza? The operation has begun to take down Gaza City, to once and for all eradicate Hamas. There is no choice. They did it with Hezbollah. They neutralized the Houthis the best they can.

They certainly sent a message to Iran. They don't have a nuclear program right now. Because Israel can't live like this anymore. And despite the pushback around the world, but not from this government, but a lot of people in the United States, they're going ahead with operations.

So here's my interview with Mike Pompeo, the secretary, former Secretary of State. He's in London at the time, but he's got an update on what's happening in Gaza City and also what's happening in London. They have a crackdown on free speech, and we know the president is heading over there. And I know that's going to come up. A lot at stake.

And that is a country who is. dealing with the immigration issue, and they're losing the character of that country and their sense of history and pride because people are coming to Britain that don't want to be British. And there was a big uprising over the weekend. Keep your eye on them. Here's my interview with Mike Pompeo from Fox and Friends.

Meanwhile, I would like to bring in former Secretary of State, Fox News contributor Mike Pompeo. Mr. Secretary, you think this operation was necessary and inevitable. Do you think it'll be successful? Brian, good morning.

I do think it'll be successful. I think it'll be a long slog. They've been building this operation for weeks, getting ready for this. They've now told the civilians to clear out. I hope they all do.

but they're going to go chase down every last leader of the Hamas military. And this is important that for Israeli security, you've got to go do this. I'm confident they can get there, but it is going to be a weeks-long exercise for them to actually chase these folks down, chase them out of the tunnels, and then get after them. It's now coming up on the anniversary of October 7th, we're just a couple weeks away from that. And the Israelis needed to do this to be successful in ultimately achieving their mission of both getting security for their people.

and the return of their hostages as well. Do you think they know where the hostages are? Brian, I'm guessing they know where some of them are, but not all of them. And I'm pretty confident that Hamas moves them around with some frequency.

So it is a very difficult challenge. And one of the reasons they're having to go into Gaza. is as Secretary Rubio says, because the Hamas folks have refused to enter any serious ceasefire conversation and actually return those hostages home. You're a diplomat, but you also have a West Point background, so you can do the military thing and you can do the diplomatic thing. Was it a good move for Israel?

uh looking at the big picture to take their shot in Doha. judging by the backlash that's come since then. Brian, I'm not sure I know the answer to that, but the Israelis clearly believed that they needed to do that. It's those folks sitting in suits in nice offices that are directing the death. And the threats against Israelis, even today.

And I know the United States would do this. We'd go anywhere, always, to capture folks that are trying to kill Americans. I think the Israelis are going to do exactly the same thing we would do to defend our own citizens. We see Big Ben in the background. We know you're in the UK.

We know the President's going to be in the UK today.

Meanwhile, one of the big issues that the President's already brought up is the crackdown on free speech. Charlie Kirk brought that up. At Oxford, listen to this exchange. Here in this country, you guys invented the idea of free speech. You brought it to the world.

You guys do not have free speech in this country anymore. 30 people a day are arrested in the UK for inflammatory social media posts. But when I look at Britain today, I see a country where the ruling elites are in a race to abandon the very values, the values that made them so great in the first place. This country just had its 14th uninterrupted year of so-called conservative rule. And what do they conserve exactly?

Well, they didn't conserve the ancient British rights to freedom of speech. Was he right? Is he right? Yeah. Look, Charlie was spot on there.

I've been here for a couple of days. I've heard this from many of my conservative friends here in the United Kingdom. It is the case that free speech rights are being curtailed in London and elsewhere. We've got a significant immigration problem in the United Kingdom. Those are deeply related.

The United Kingdom is a place that we all know as Americans. We love them. They are great partners of the United States of America on security and economics. But they've got to clean up their act. They need to return to the very set of values that they've had for so long.

And when they do, there'll be more freedom of speech, more economic success, and the partnership between the U.S. and the United Kingdom that President Trump's coming here to support today, it'll continue to grow, Brian. Mr. Secretary, thanks so much. Always great to have you on.

Appreciate it. Stay safe. Thanks, Brian. Thank you. Have a good day.

I mean, I wish he was still involved with this administration. But look, there's a lot on the table. Keep your eye on Gaza City. It could take weeks, but when this is done, Hamas will be done, and the rebuilding of Abraham Accords hopefully will kick in. But this will not be easy, and there will be lives lost with the IDF, and they know it.

Hopefully, there'll be a massive discovery of these hostages, as many alive as possible.

So when we come back, the mind of the malign killer, the alleged assassin, and others that were talking to him online. What was going on with Tyler Robinson? How, or if any, signals was he setting up that he was capable of doing this? Was he just oblivious to consequences? Or does he really feel like a martyr today?

Dr. Drew Pinsky was kind enough to join me on One Nation, joined us on Fox and Friends, and I thought it went so well, I want to bring it back. Back in a moment. Coming to you on a need-to-know basis because Mandy, you need to know. It's Brian Kilmead.

I'm Guy Benson in for Dana Pareno. This week on Pareno on Politics, I'm joined by Fox News contributor, Outkick columnist, and host of the Getting Hammered podcast, Mary Catherine Hamm, my dear friend. Listen and follow now at FoxNewsPodcast.com. One thing that's hit a lot of those young Americans over the last week was how Charlie was there for them when others were not. When they were afraid to speak their minds, when they were afraid of what a professor would say, when they were afraid that they would be shouted down by their peers, Charlie was there.

showing them that they could be courageous and that they could be bold. Charlie was a visionary.

So that was J.D. Vance. And why are we hearing from J.D. Vance? He filled in for Charlie Kirk on the Charlie Kirk show, very successful radio show, extremely successful podcast.

And he did it from Washington. He had guests like Stephen Miller and others come in and fill in and talk about Charlie Kirk, who was with the breaking news. I mean, this guy was setting the standard in terms of where to stand on big issues, on immigration, on what was happening with the buildup of our military, the stance in Ukraine, and what's happening in our country when it comes to spending. This guy was there, but he was trying to tap into the younger culture. And that was true.

And what he's done is, when you saw the impact he made with Trump in the last election, I mean, think about this. Trump, 79 years old, did better in this election, his third than the first two. And even in the first two, he was gaining. And why? It really was a turning point.

But you took a class four years out, four years out, four years out.

Next thing you know, you got 12 years, 12 years of turning point growing on college campuses to be a conservative voice when there simply was none. And any speaker that showed up had to have high security and often got booed. And many would just say, no, it's not worth it, let alone they wouldn't get booked.

So now that impact is truly felt, and maybe he was such a threat. That they realized the youth movement and which would be the future of the country was going to go forever right. And who would be watching this and see him, Charlie Kirk, as the problem?

Well, it looks to be this guy, Tyler Robinson, on Discord underneath. But does he represent a bigger problem about men, boys, in society more and more isolated, unless you're that five-star athlete? Doctor Drew says yes, and Don't discount the pandemic. Here's my interview. You're a young person here, and you say, Boy, you know, what do I want to do for my life?

Honestly, You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Period. Reject The siren song of modernity. Where did we go wrong where we think that your bank account balance? means more.

Than passing down to the next generation. Where did we go wrong, everybody? Charlie Kirk urged young men to embrace marriage as a source of meaning, stability, and purpose. A new Wall Street Journal piece warns that the internet can derail the path. That path, pushing promising young men into isolation, despair, and violence.

Dr. Drew Pinski is the chief patient officer of the Wellness Company and host of Ask Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew, what are your thoughts about that?

Men in particular, boys in particular? Yeah, boys are lonely. Boys are not given the usual skills of how to develop relationships, and they're withdrawn. They're being told they're not worthwhile, they're toxic. I mean, those messages they've been receiving now for years.

I'm starting to wonder, Brian, I mentioned this to you before the camera's heated up, the extent to which lockdowns are contributing to this. We knew lockdowns were going to be a catastrophe, particularly to 8 to 15-year-olds. We did countless interviews about that, too. Right. And they were digging deep into things.

And, you know, Charlie Kirk's killer was described as a Reddit kid by his high school colleagues, meaning going to these deep, dark corners of the internet, and that's where people are radicalized. Look, the mainstream media sets the table, right? It tells us Charlie said horrible things. People start to believe that. They hear it over and over again.

Then they go deep in, and that's where the dehumanization begins. And that's where they get radicalized. It's just like you saved the world by getting this evil man off the planet. Evil, evil, evil, and therefore I must do something, right? If this is Hitler, what Patriot wouldn't do something?

It's a brainwashing. And if we don't deal with it as such, there's going to be more brainwashed kids out there. Right. I wouldn't doubt that outside sources outside our country are actually pushing some of this too. Makes sense, right?

Wouldn't you if you were outside looking at that? You go, let's amplify that. The only way to stop America is to try to tear it apart from the inside. Tyler, this is an excerpt from a column in the Wall, an editorial in the Wall Street Journal: Tyler Robinson, America's Lost Boys. Video games in the digital world may not cause mental illness, but they can form a self-medication that provides illusory relief from emotional troubles, even as they propel antisocial behavior.

The solution isn't to ban them, but to create social structures that prevent young men from falling through the cracks. Lost Boys poses a broader cultural problem. Mr. Kirk sought to bring young people like Mr. Robinson out of their caves.

It's hard to hate someone. You meet in the flesh. Than an avatar, a digital dystopia. It's a good point. Yeah.

How do you get them out? How do you identify and get them out and make sure they don't get in? It's not easy, right? They get around the parental controls, they get around things. And I think the main thing is to get them out and socialize them.

That's what Charlie was sort of advocating for. But there are deeper things afoot. I mean, the people that. Manifest dark triad are the ones really prone to being radicalized. And remember, these are mass formations.

You know, 10% of people go, hey, wait a minute, something's wrong here. 20% become true believers. It's that 70% we've got to get mobilized and to really start to fight back on this. But if you have any degree of psychopathy, narcissism, Machiavellianism, these people that can be ruthless, empathic failure, and may not really appreciate emotions exist. They can be severely radicalized and be very, very dangerous.

And I just say you can even transpose that and on a lesser extent to Washington. Republicans and Democrats don't talk to each other.

So I hate the image of I think that person is as opposed to the person I had lunch with. Brian, listen, I was thinking this morning that unity, unity, unity, but they want unity around their ideas. Let's get unity as human beings and as Americans. Yeah, we should get up every day and say, I don't know everything. And I'm willing to learn.

Even if you're a little bit more than humility, but empathy. We've got to develop empathy. We've lost track. There's some critical mass of people that are having empathic failure, envy. It's creating mass action.

It's creating mobs and it's creating scapegoating. And that's how this happens. I learn every time I talk to you, Dr. Drew. Thanks so much.

Of course.

So, I mean, I could go on for him for another hour. He's one of these guys when you hit him with a concept, it triggers something else in his past, in his background, that he could bring you a different direction. But I never thought about it. I mean, right around when he dropped out of school, he was 18, one semester in, was the pandemic one of the reasons? You know how many people dropped out of college?

Because they either have limited school where they want to charge you to live in a dorm and go to virtual class and you don't really meet anybody. You're not allowed to socialize.

So, if you tend to be a little insular anyway, then there says, okay, the country wants me isolated. Who really knows me? These people online.

Well, I'm a little quirky, and I feel very comfortable talking about trans issues online. And now, this guy ends up being a guy who's obsessed with the furry community. I can't get my head around that to understand that's a new type of warpness. It's not to be understood, it's to be addressed, and not with medication, obviously. And then you bring up some other people, just say tradition, it's not new, but traditional two-parent families where one works and one stays home is so much a part of our past.

But it used to be you stayed home and watched repeats on T V, and they used to say, Wow, you're watching the boob tube all day, but I dream of Jeannie and Gildigan's Island. We'ren't going to make you a killer. But you hop online on that iPad. I don't know what the hell you're doing. The TV's not on, and you're communicating with people you never met and will never know.

And then you get obsessed with video games, which is fine. It's also a way of bonding. That could be somewhat. But you don't meet these people.

Sometimes you could do with friends. I never got into that culture.

So you live virtually online the whole time. You people don't go outside. Go outside and play. Or not really. What am I going to play with?

I don't know anyone in the neighborhood. I don't really hang out with anyone at school. People I know are actually on the keyboard console. Parents got lives. And they say to themselves, I don't know if I can deal with my kid.

Well, one thing I've always appreciated is people that can look at an issue, like my next guest, Joe Manchin, and say not Republican, Democrat, but common sense. I've known, we play it here a lot, Bill Maher always shows common sense. He came out and was speaking and he He was on, Charlie Kirk was on Bill Maher's podcast. And Bill Maher says he's really affected by what what happened. And he thinks in the big picture there's a big difference between Republicans and Democrats.

He's not looking to blame, but he does point this out. Listen, this is cut number two, Eric, on Bill Maher on Club Random the day of the murder. They're the people who don't want to talk. It's my main issue with them. They and Charlie Kirk was a guy who like he was always talking.

And I talk to him here. You know, the right-wingers say what you want about them, but they talk to you. They're not into this. Leftists think that the left really has much more of a I don't I don't want to deal with you. Uh you're deplorable.

I can't break bread with you. That attitude, and like all the right-wingers, they don't have that attitude. I think it's true. I don't like if someone says to me, Yeah, I voted for Gore, I voted for Kerry, I voted for Hillary, I voted for Obama twice, I don't say I'm I have nothing to say to you. Kind of curious.

Well, what did you think? When you voted for him, what did you think? And what about was produced? You understand why Obama lost 63 seats after, why he kept winning elections, but he left an absolute mess with the DNC after. And they'll say why.

And I'll say, look, the finances were in the toilet. Ask Hillary Clinton. They had no menum behind it. Debbie Washman Schultz was a disaster. And he really had no heir appearance.

Trump has era parrots.

So these are the conversations I enjoy having. But more and more people, and some people I know in my family and others, if they don't think that way and they think Trump is terrible, they don't want to tell you why. Because they don't, they know on some level, in my opinion, that their arguments aren't deep. and their s and their opinions aren't strong. They have a feeling.

They don't like the way he is. They don't like the way he sets up.

Some people didn't like George Bush because that Texas swagger thing. They didn't like that.

Some people thought that Bush 41 had this upper-class thing. He's a rich guy who doesn't know what it's like to be an everyday person. Ronald Reagan was detached and an actor. No, it got some negatives, but when it comes to Trump, people just don't want to talk about it. They love to talk about the supporters love talking about what they like about him, not what they don't like.

Joe Manchin, great book out. He's next. It's the Will Kane Show. Watch it live at noon Eastern, Monday through Thursday on FoxNews.com or on the Fox News YouTube channel. And don't miss a show.

Get the podcast five days a week at FoxnewsPodcasts.com or wherever you download your favorite podcasts. The more you listen, the more you'll know. It's Brian Kilmead. Hey, welcome back, everyone. It's my privilege to have in the author, Senator Joe Manchin.

His book is now out. It's called Dead Center in Defense of Common Sense, of course, the former U.S. Senator from West Virginia and governor from West Virginia, who I first met because he had a coal mining accident. We met this governor. We're going live, and we said, This guy is fantastic.

Then he ends up running for senator, where he questioned himself almost every day. I used to be able to run a sane state, and now I've gone to this insane District of Columbia. Senator Manchin, welcome. Congratulations. Thanks, Brian.

Good to be with you. I'm glad to get it done. I didn't know if I was ever going to do it because I'm not a type of person to start talking about people, but I wanted to put it in writing. How the place what used to work, how it doesn't work now, and what it takes to get it back. The decisions I had to make in tough situations when it was a fifty fifty Senate I had to reach back to where I came from and how I was raised.

To be able to withstand that type of pressure and be able to do what I thought was right for the country. And you open up with that story. Yeah. I I was it the uh the Rescue Act, the Rescue Bill? No, it was the Inflation Reduction Act.

Inflation Reduct. But it was the original version. And the original version would have put six trillion dollars. It was going to cost about six trillion dollars. The Build Back Better was basically Joe Biden's signature.

It was a Democrat's signature. We had the ARP First American Rescue Plan. And I begged them not to do that. They did it. They did that one.

Okay. And I told the President that Tom's mister. And just to refresh everyone's memory, coming out of the pandemic, we had to tell the whole country to stop working. But we were writing checks already. In fact, whatever Trump put out when his last year, Congress would add more.

When Trump was there, the year that Trump was his last year in 2020. We ended up okay. The end of twenty twenty we put three point two trillion dollars into the market. Bipartisan, President Trump, all of us working together. Trying to keep the That was on three point two.

We run the country on about a little over five, five and a half trillion dollars of cash. That's what it takes to run the country.

So 3.2, Joe Biden gets elected. Comes in office in January. First first bill out of the chute was American Rescue Plan. one point nine trillion And I said, mister President, don't do this with a nuclear option. You just did three point two.

That's five point one now. We put enough out and we put we doubled the amount of cash flow in circulation in one year. You can't digest that. The system wasn't built for that. And we saw what came from it.

And they wanted then they wanted to do BBB, which was another six to ten trillion. Right. And they where did you put the brakes on it? That one. After eight months of getting beat up, so you took the rescue plan.

I took the rescue plan, I tried to country.

Well, the rescue plan, I tried to do exactly what you said. We've got a Uh pandemic. We have a pandemic going on. We have a vaccine that worked. The President Trump should take credit for getting a vaccine to market quicker than ever been done that was needed, save millions of lives.

Uh so he did that. And then we had people that had money. We sent a lot of money, I just told you, 3.2 trillion.

So they had money, they couldn't go anywhere.

Now we had a vaccine to work and they start moving. They wanted to go buy things. They wanted to do things. Nobody was going back to work. Prices were skyrocketing.

I said, You people are crazy. We're going to have one heck of an inflation problem. And we went through all of that, and I said, You want to come out now with another bill? They're basically just going to put more. Can't you let this let us digest this first?

And I've always been differential to a new President coming in. Republican, Democrat makes no difference. Whoever that new president is, he's been elected, she's been elected, whoever, through the process, I want to help you. And they always have something that they say, well, I just got elected. I ran on this.

You got to help me. And I said, Mr. President, I said, Mr. President Biden, I said, why don't you put it in their jurisdictional committees and let them work it? Give them 90 days to see if they're going to work with you or not before you do down this road.

But I knew at that time probably Chuck Schumer says we got to do it. Got to go into reconciliation. which is a nuclear option. Republicans are starting to do the same thing now. And these are my friends.

I say, guys, be caution. Be very cautious. What goes around comes around. And. We're trying to tap it down a little bit because you start usurping and going around the checks and balances that we have in the process.

The Senate is unlike any institution in the world. The Senate is the most deliberate body. As it's hard to get things passed, it's even harder to get rid of things.

So you start. Circuiting, you know, short circuiting that you got a problem. When he invited you to the White House, what was that for? The BBB, Bill Beckbetter. Bill Beckbetter.

He kept saying, I said, Mr. President, let me meet eight months I've been getting a little bit of a. Do you want me to read the excerpt from your book? Said, after President Biden and I sat down and exchanged brief pleasantries, this is in the family room of the White House, Jill Biden stopped by to say hello. Her presence immediately set the tone for the meeting, as I had already made it clear in my prior meeting with the President that I did not support the free community college tuition plan, a cause that she champion.

Let's just say the atmosphere started off chilly. What do you mean? Here's the thing. Did she yell at you? No, no, not at all.

I could just tell. And they've always been very kind to me. Unspoken tension in the room was. Yeah, you could feel it. It was palpable.

And anything about it, here is my difference about free college. I'm all for if I identify I need workers as community college Then basically sitting here, go into school. Take your loan out. Go to school, finish up. You finish, you graduate, I'll take care of it.

I discount it. Pay nothing. Do something for it. You earn it. Yeah.

I'm not going to give you the money on the front end because most of the kids basically drop out after a year or two until they find themselves. I wasn't going to waste more money.

So that was the difference we had. I wasn't opposed to what they wanted to do. I was opposed to how they were doing it. There's a better way. But anyway, that that started off a little bit chilly, but then she was very kind, shook hands, she she left, and j just the present and I were there.

And then when you thought about it, You let him know. I told him this. I said, Mr. President, listen, you and I are about the same vintage. You're a little bit older than me, but not that much different.

I come from the school, John Kennedy. Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. I think that basically public service is the noblest of all professions. I got into it 'cause I wanted to do something. I wanted to give something back.

I said, Mr. President, we passed this piece of legislation which you say is your marquee, your Build Back Better bill. You're going to change the psychic of the nation to how much more can my country do for me? I wasn't raised that way, and a book basically goes into how I was raised. And I says I don't believe that, nor can I vote for it or explain it back in West Virginia.

So I can't do it.

So you made a call. And you call to um Uh somebody back in the White House, Lance? You called Lance? Lance is my Lance. Lance is your guy.

So you called Lance right before the interview. He told me to call the White House. No, that was when I was going for Brett Baer. After let me tell you how that came about. The president says, Joe, I'm going to make an announcement.

I'm going to put a statement out, and we're going to basically wait for until we come back after Christmas vacation. He told you to think about it. And he said, Thank you. I said, Mr. President, If you want to wait, that's fine.

I'm not going to change. But I said, You do whatever you think you have to do.

Okay, I understand that.

So, Bill Clinton calls you all the time. Everybody calls me. I had calls from everybody, everybody called. You know, and the bottom line is I I listened to him, I said, I appreciate all that, but I said I've got some concerns. I never jumped and ragged on anybody, but I wasn't going to get there.

They knew that for me. I'm going to tell you subtext. The subtext wasn't to save the country. The subtext was to push an agenda, and it was a green agenda. You're in a coal state in an oil state.

You're an environmentalist, but you're a rational environmentalist. You can't destroy the country and go green. Or all the grandma. Destroy the combustion engine and go green. That's not the way it's done.

Brian, we're all environmentalists. We all want clean air and clean water, okay? The bottom line is we have to work to take care of ourselves. Yes, money we didn't have for programs we didn't need. That's not a good combination.

Well, the social agenda, giving everything away. I'll give you a little one. They said, well, Joe Manchin's against child tax credits. I'm not against child tax credit. I just think that basically the parents should have a job that needs the credit to help take care of their kids.

If you're sitting at home, why should we be giving you money? for child tax credit when you're sitting home with your children.

Okay, right. And I said, I understand. Is it supposed to be in theory for nursery school, for dating? It's supposed to basically allow you to have freedom to go to work and earn a living for your family. And I said, I want that.

But I said, we need it on from $25,000 to $75,000. Single moms, they're out there trying to make it. They need that help. That's where our most attention should be.

So the incentive was: go to work and we'll help you take care of your child.

So you can work in peace. They didn't they didn't like it about that. And I said, Listen, guys, can't get there.

So then His staff put out a statement. I said, I want to see the statement. And they said, well, the President still has to do Do some more work with Joe Manchin. And I'm thinking I've just been getting all these death threats. Why would you say and put me in the crosshairs?

Coming up to your boat? I've had everything. Anything I'm thinking.

So I'm thinking, listen, I can take this arasm. Don't bring my children and my grandchildren in. I had to hire private security to protect them. For a long time. And I said, so I had br Lance Lance West, my chief of staff.

I said, Make an amendment there and send it back and say, listen, just put generic, say the President needs more work to do. He needs more time for more work. We not sent we not only sent it back, it went back to the Pres President the White House. Had to be his chief of staff and nurse staff there. It no sooner got there than it came right back.

Nope, we can't change it all. Got to be Joe Manchin. I said, Oh, you wanna play this game? You want to threaten me? That's what's oh no.

So then I'm thinking, Okay, calm down. I'm going down. I was I was hot.

So I'm going on Brett Bear. Yeah. On a Sunday. He had a Sunday show that morning. That's after Chris Wallace had left.

Everybody was jocking around.

So I said, sure, breath. Two weeks before that, he called me and I said, Hey, Brett, I don't have anything to say. I had nothing to say. I said, we talked about everyone. He said, we'll just see what's going on, okay?

I said, buddy, if you think it'll help you, I'm happy to do it.

So I already committed to Brett. It wasn't like I called Brett and I want to go on. I was already scheduled. I wasn't going to cancel.

So it ended up working out perfect, though.

So I'm sitting there at 8 o'clock in the morning. You know how you send the mobile homes, the mobile studios to us. And I had two press releases ready to go. I was sitting in that van at eight o'clock in the morning. I couldn't do it no more.

I said it's over. My family is worth more than that to put me in and I and I already warned everybody. Whether the President Joe Biden knew about this or not, his chief of staff definitely knew about it. And that's who was running the show. And they were coming to put the hammer on me.

I said, Okay, yeah, big boy. And I so I made a m decision. I told my chief of staff, I said, Lance. I says, call the White House and call Chuck Schumer and tell him I'm going to kill BBB. Yeah, turn off my phone 'cause I knew it was gonna blow up.

So I'm getting ready to get my mind ready. I go on and here's my Here's Brett. Joe, well, you know, there's a lot going on right now, and this bill is still being negotiated, and they're trying to get push it for Christmas and this and that. I think this was on Sunday, like the 17th or 18th. December.

And he says, and I don't know, are you still having problems? I says, No, I'm I said, I'm I'm I can't do it, Brett. Yeah, I thought. He was stunned. I thought he was going to fall off his chair.

He's sitting there. He says, what? That says, I cannot do it. He says, you're telling me you're not going to vote for it? I says, I cannot vote for this bill.

And I say, I'm not going to vote for that bill if it came up. But once I said that, I knew it was dead. And he says, Oh, my goodness So anyway, my phone blew up. Missing that. I forgot to turn it on.

I turned it on. There was a Uh pretty uh Explicit it. a direct uh message from President Joe Biden. And I've known him for a long time. We're friends.

I still I like him. Good person. We always got along well. We just disagree, okay? We respect.

What I used to agree with you is what your point was. That's exactly the same. That's exactly this is not your bill. You're right. I told him that.

This is not your bill. This is Bernie Sanders' bill. Yeah. Okay. So, anyway, but anyway, so.

And did he have an answer when you said that? He said, No, no, no, Joe. He said, No, no, it's it's my bill. I said, mister President, I've been there for ten years. This is every Tuesday during a caucus, Democrat caucus.

This is what I heard every Tuesday. All this social reforms, giving everything away.

Okay? Giving college free. Everything's free. Where I come from, you had to work and earn it. But you had to have compassion to take care of people who couldn't help themselves.

That's it. And this is not with the Democrat Party, I know. Anyway. This the voicemail from the President was rough. You still have it?

Yeah, we still have it. It was rough. And I pretty give it to you right exactly. Is this when you said if you kill this effing bill? Is this it?

We'll never speak to you again. Oh, that was an ARPA plan. That's a different one? That was a different one. That was the first AR American Rescue Plan.

Oh, okay. Because I slopped it down because I said, you're going to extend unemployment benefits when people should be going to work. He said, if you kill this effing bill, he says, I'll never speak to you again. I said, Mr. President, if I could kill this bill, it would be a miracle, because I can tell you why.

You sent a check to everybody. And if you missed somebody, it was by mistake. It wasn't by intent. You want everybody to get a check. And this is crazy.

You got to put them back to work.

So that's how that one went. That didn't go well.

Now, this is even more. This is after the BBB. This is eight, nine months after that. And he just went off. I mean, hard.

And I said, oh, wait a minute. He says, what you've done to me, no one's ever done before. He says This is absolutely horrible what you've done, and to go on Fox and do this. To me? Oh, and then I heard at about eleven o'clock, I called.

And he starts Oh, wait a minute, Mr. President. You say what I did to you? You want to know what you did to me? What your people did to me, whether you know it or not.

Put my family in the crosshairs, and I was hot.

So it's kinda too hot. He finally says, listen, Joe. We got a pissed-off Irishman and a pissed-off Italian. Maybe we better let this cool off for a while. Back in a moment.

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So it's always great for me. One of the finest people I've met since I got this job is Joe Manchin, and he's finally putting his career on the printed page. It's called Dead Center. In defense of common sense. It's coming out there.

You can get it now. Start making your orders. It's Susan. Yeah, it's Susan. Yeah, no, it's 16th.

Oh, sixteen. Yeah, we're coming out. I think it should be Wednesday here, isn't it? What's the date? No, no, you're out today.

Today. Yeah, you can buy today. Yeah, you better buy today. You're kidding? Yeah.

You don't have to wait anymore. I downloaded it this morning. I prefer to read everything on the iPad because I can't. And also, I did audio. I read my own book on audio, so you can get audio.

Not AI. Not eight hours.

So you just finished that story. You were constantly fighting. He said, You guys got to both calm down after you clash with Joe Biden. I clashed with him, I said, and he said, You better calm down.

So three months go by, the Ukraine war starts. We have no energy. I come back and I said, listen, I'm Chairman of Energy. And I told Schumer, I said, You got a problem with energy in our country. We're not producing Under John Podesta, Joe Biden, all these people.

Paying Venezuela to go. It was horrible. Yeah, and taking sanctions off, letting them come back into the market. turning a blind eye to the ghost ships coming out of Iran. 'Cause he wouldn't put Mark.

It's all crazy. And I told him that. And Schumann said, Well, you're a chairman, write a bill. I didn't want to be back in the crosshairs, I already killed BBB. Death threats came aw came fell off.

When I killed the bill, all the death threats come off.

Okay, it's over.

Well, I wasn't getting back in that situation, but I knew I had a responsibility to make sure our country was producing energy. This bill should have been called as my fault. I should have named the bill. The Energy Security Act. Because that's exactly what it did.

We start producing more gas Inflation Reduction Act. And it just had a bad connotation. And these are, I put all the stuff that I talk to my Republican friends. in my energy committee into this bill. But they couldn't vote to it for it because it came up through the reconciliation.

That's the bad thing. And that's why reconciliation separates you, pushes apart. And my good friend John Thune and all my Republican friends. All my simple 51 votes can't be. Simple.

Yeah, that's exactly. And my good friend John Thune and all my Republican friends. I said, guys, listen. You can't go down this road. We protected filibuster, okay?

You always basically said that you would always protect the filibuster. Don't start nibbling away at the edges because what goes around comes around. And I'll guarantee you, the Democrats already told me back in 2024, before the election. and Kamala Harris said, I'll get rid of the filibuster. That's when I said there's no way I could ever vote or support her any way, shape or form.

Because we change everything, it would be exactly like the House. It's a flip-flopping back and we have no stability in the world market. None. Right now we do. When we pass something, it stays there.

It's really secured. When we want to get rid of something, we have to work hard to get rid of it, got to make positive changes. That's what gives us a stability in the world as they view us. And that's why you wanted Republicans to win the Senate. I told him I wanted the Republicans to win the Senate.

I told Chuck, I said, Chuck, you've already told me your game plan. You're going to go with the Commonwealth Harris and get rid of the. Get rid of the fellowship. Don't think he's going to shut down the government now because of the heat he got for not doing it last time? Forget about the heat.

They're all leaders, whether it be president. You know, right now, President Trump I've said this about President Trump. He's our leader.

Okay, he's your president. Do everything you can to help him be successful. But speak truth to power in a respectful way. And I'm begging the President right now I'm praying for his better angels to say, Mr. President, let's calm it down.

Let's calm everybody down right now, okay? All this rhetoric going out. My heart bleeds for Charlie Kirk's family. and all of us should. But this is too frequent acro across the country.

It continues to happen, and all the little children in schools are not safe. We've got to just calm it down. I hear you. Senator, we'll have you on again and have you on TV. Dead center, baby.

Come on. Dead center, pick it up. Line up today. Make him number one. Number one, please.

Senator Joe Manchin, thanks so much. Thanks, Brian. From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian. Hi everyone, so glad you're there.

It's the Brian Kilmichio coming your way. You know the number, 1-866-408-7669. This hour is going to be packed, and we got a lot going on. Right now, Cash Patel is testifying on Capitol Hill. And this is not because of the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

This is because he's scheduled to do it. But they're going to ask all about it, how he handled it. what he did, and he was with us yesterday on Fox and Friends.

So he's had a crazier week than he went on with Sean Hatterday at night.

So I can't wait to see what he has to say because he's a hands-on guy. No one has to brief him on what's been going on, him and Dan Bongino. Lieutenant Colonel Alan West is going to be with us today, too, and Senator James Lankford. But now let's get to the big three. Number three.

We're going to Memphis. Memphis is deeply troubled. We'll straighten that. National Guard and anybody else we need. And by the way, we'll bring in the military too if we need it.

Memphis crackdown goes into motion, as Chicago could be next, as President Trump pledges to bring law and order to America one city at a time. Number 10. Hochl writes in her endorsement: Zaran and I don't see eye to eye on everything, and I don't expect us to. I will always reserve the right to disagree honestly and to argue passionately. Hochul has described herself as moderate and a strong supporter of Israel, but says she and Mamdani are united when it comes to stopping Trump administration policies that could hurt the city.

Going further to the left, New York Governor Kathy Hokul endorses far-left Marxist Mamdani to unite her party and ice out the far left. Really?

Well, that might be the goal, but it wasn't the result. I'll explain. Number one. Our investigation at the FBI is ongoing. And there are scores of people in this Discord chat room.

But we have to effectuate legal process. We have to go out there with search warrants so that if prosecutors want to later use this evidence, it's not tainted by being illegally obtained. He's 100% right. And that was Cash Patel on Fox and Friends. More details emerge on the assassination of Charlie Kirk, but investigators have focused on who else might have been involved without alienating them because they need people to talk.

What they also have is the Discord communications. There's groups of furries, which I still can't explain, the trans groups I still can't explain. Mostly they tell me Discord, like a Facebook or a platform like Twitter, is for gamers. But then when I tell people it's for gamers, they go, well, gamers use it, but it was not really made for gamers. But what we found out since we last talked, the FBI confirmed.

They are casting a wider net into whether the pro-trans online communities or others knew about the killing. He was also into furries, wanted to find out who aided and abetted Bongino was saying yesterday. He's alluding to multiple warning signs that were up. Did the family see any of that? Not that they're looking to haul in the family in this case.

The family was the one, the dad was the one who turned his own son in. He refused initially, said he'd kill himself first, but then a pastor got involved, or a sheriff pastor got involved. We'll find out more about that. But this is some of the things that we're finding now. A note.

Uh from Tyler Robinson. Hey guys, I have bad news for you all. It was me at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry for all of this. I'm surrendering through a share of friend in a few moments.

Thanks for all the good times and laughs. You've all been so amazing. Thank you for everything.

So. Who was he talking to? That's a quote from a letter or a message. There's also text messages on there too. But that's the most damning.

I mean, how do you get more damning besides actually saying it yourself? How does it get more damning than that?

So I know he this guy did it. But I'd just like to know the the crazy guy that stood up and screamed. His name is George Zinn. Court records revealed he's a gadfly who led was led away from Utah Valley University in handcuffs after the assassination, telling cops he was trying to distract them from the real assassin. What?

What? Maybe That, what are you talking about? Were you coordinating with him? There's no signing coordinator with him. Who would see an assassination and think, I gotta make sure that assassin doesn't get found.

Zinn approached cops immediately after Kirk was killed and yelled, I shot him, now shoot me. Since that time, they've had the exact opposite reaction: 37,000 new chapters. of of turning point.

So they had something like 3,400 before, and that was formidable. But it is growing. The tributes are going around the globe, which is phenomenal. But I still think there's so much to learn to stop the next attack, we have to really study this attack. Here's Cache Patel last night.

More on the alleged assassin could eat. We've collected information where, through witness interviews from the FBI and local law enforcement, that he essentially admitted. After the shooting and assassination of Charlie Kirk, the suspect admitted to it.

Furthermore, the evidence and information will come out. I won't stylize the evidence. The Attorney General is absolutely right. We can't do that. But I will say what was found in terms of information, a text message exchange, where the suspect specifically stated that he had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and he was going to do that.

And when he was asked why, he said some hatred cannot be negotiated with. I mean, what else do you need?

So, this guy's getting convicted. I just want to know if someone's on the other end of the line and they're hearing that. Are they saying, Yeah, go do it, go do it. Make sure it gets done. I wish I could join you, but I'm not in Utah.

Is there any exchange like that? We don't know it yet. But Discord said, I gave you everything, and then two days later, we find that. And I'm wondering if Discord is cooperating. By the way, Your answer is, well, there's a lot of crazies on Discord start monitoring.

Well, how did you respond when Facebook was monitoring? I didn't like the way they did it. Should someone be monitoring? I don't know. Do I post something?

Do I want someone monitoring my actions? What kind of monitoring? Then, am I just going to move off that platform to more of the Wild West? I just think Part of the reason why people can't shake this, they don't stop thinking about this, is because it's so. It looks like it uh He looks like he's still here.

He goes, This is stuff from yesterday. Same thing after 9-11. You see all these people and they say we're looking for them right after nine the buildings collapsed and everyone died. We didn't quite know that. They were hoping to dig people out.

You'd see pictures and I'd go, Wait a second, that I know that face. That that guy was alive yesterday. Charlie Kirk was alive and everywhere yesterday. And now it's been a week. And he's not alive.

And people say, well, that could be me, number one. Number two is: how did this happen? How do you stop the next one? What is behind it? I thought that Bill Maher is interesting.

Bill Maher, obviously a liberal, but he has everybody on. And he was talking about how this is different, cut 18. Look. I might drink a little more than usual today because, I mean, I don't know when this is airing, but this is a shit day because the guy who sat there, Charlie Kirk, got shot today. And I can't stop thinking about it.

Neither can I. And we shouldn't. And it's If you're on the other side of the political divide and you don't care because the wrong team guy got shot. Yeah. You're what's wrong with this country.

And a lot of people are celebrating they got shot. Which that's one of the reasons, and you think I'm crazy, but just think about it for a second. I think people don't understand the horror. of the way he was killed. They think one day he's here, one day he's not.

Look at these tributes, what a great life he had, and I miss him, or I don't miss him. That's fine. But if you saw the horror of the way he was killed outside the twisted people that don't bog in the streets anyway, I think you'd understand how serious all this is getting. I mean, when I went to college, I really didn't, you know, I was a minor in political science, and I always loved the news and science, but I still don't know who my friends voted for. Never talked about it.

So I asked all three of my kids, I go, Do you know who your friends voted for? Oh, they all do. Oh, yeah, he's uh she's conservative, he's not. My friends from high school here, they you know, I don't know anybody that voted for President Obama or everybody I know voted for Trump. They all know.

So something happened. People are more engaged on the surface. That means a better voter turnout, an engaged public makes a country better, but an engaged, uneducated, misinformed public is scary.

So Kid Rock was on. And here's what he had to say last night: cut 24. Just recently took Bill Maher to the White House for dinner, one of Trump's biggest adversaries. And if it wasn't for Fox News and some social media, nobody would hear about it. Trying to do something positive to bring this country together.

And I've said it, and I'll say it again because I think it needs to be echoed until they get it through their fat skulls. The mainstream media is freaking public enemy number one right now. Just the clips you just ran of these people from the New York Times and these other. Nut nut houses they call media establishments. Absolutely frickin' ridiculous.

I do not know that. Nobody else covered that? I was not aware. I thought that was one of the coolest things ever. I know I was in the office when.

I think two weeks later, we were in the Oval Office. I was visiting the President, and he got word that Bill Maher ripped him on a monologue. And he said, What a waste of time that was. And I said, Mr. President, it was not a waste of time.

I go, I think he's been very fair, considering he's still a liberal guy that wouldn't have voted for you. But I think he understands you now. I think that plays into it. And if you watch his show, If he finds that too many people are jumping left and they're making too many gains, he'll push back that way. If he has somebody like Ben Shapiro on another Republican, then he'll push back from the left side.

I don't know. I don't want to make it to Bill Maher fan club, but I just think it's emblematic of a true debate. When we come back, I'm going to enter in Lieutenant Colonel Alan West, bottom of the hour, Senator Langford of Oklahoma. Don't move. We're also going to bring you the latest as Cash Patel gets grilled by everybody on the left, and he's ready for the battle.

I think we'll see. I'll bring back some highlights in just a moment. Politics, current events, and news that affects you. Brian's got a lot more to say. Stay with Brian Kilmead.

Radio that makes you think. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Hey, welcome back. Let's bring Lieutenant Colonel Alan Weston. Colonel, welcome back.

Your thoughts about, I mean, Charlie Kirk's a guy you've appeared with. spoke with The fact that he's vulnerable at a college campus, I don't think you've weighed in yet. I'd just like to give you that time.

Well, I'd tell you first. Met Charlie back in 2013. He was 19 and he asked me to be on. The advisory board for the organization he was starting out calling Turning Point. I served on that in that board for about two, three years.

Just a fantastic young man, so insightful and just mature and wise beyond his years. And I think we saw that play out. Uh, and it was just a horrible and terrible thing, and I just got to tell you, looking at this from a military perspective, and Coming after what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania, we got to make sure that we are securing vantage points, which the high the rooftops and things of this nature. You would have thought that very simply that, number one, you, like I say, put a drone up there, you put a person up there. that can keep eyes on those rooftops.

But we cannot allow these things to continue to happen. And but I think most importantly, And you see, what, 37,000 new inquiries or requests for returning point USA chapters? We have to continue on to have this engagement, this discussion, this conversation on college and university campuses. And I hope that colleges and universities Don't try to use this as an excuse to say that we don't want to have these open dialogues and exchanges. I'm supposed to go speak at the University of Virginia.

In October, so we'll see what happens.

Well, I remember this video of you going to Buffalo State, I think it was, and they were harassing you. Yeah, universal. Buffalo. I had to be escorted off the campus. Yeah, I had to be escorted off the campus.

And what was so funny, Brian, I was there to talk about is America a racist nation now? You would think that a kid that was born in the inner city of Atlanta, Georgia, in a segregated hospital that grows up to be a lieutenant colonel and also a member of the United States Congress could speak on that topic and say, No, I don't see it as a racist nation, but for whatever reason, that is sensed. The young black students there, and it became very violent to the point where they chased conservative students. back toward the dormitories and things of this nature. And Fox, you guys carried that story.

And to this day, I don't think there has been any type of disciplinary action against any of those students. But yet, you know, I was just thinking about it, and it was brought up to me that, you know, for 20 years that I've been on Fox, like, we just knew that if you're Ann Coulter or Colonel Allen West, if you're a Republican, conservative, and you want to speak on campus, you're going to be greeted with hostility. You need security, and there might be unrest through your entire speech. You might be screamed down. Why was that okay?

Like, why is that? I thought, I mean, you know, libertarian, conservative, democrats. Hi, welcome to you. And here's your next speaker. Listen.

Like why why was it just accepted ever?

Well, I think that the administrations and again the leftist Marxist stronghold. That you see on these college university campuses, they don't want to have those voices there. a part of the fascist nature of the left. You know, you can go back and you can see the uh the film and and everything, see the video. Bernie Sanders went to speak at Liberty University.

Now, Bernie Sanders is not someone that I would refer to as a God-fearing constitutional conservative, but he goes to Liberty University. Not a protest, not anything. Everyone sat quietly and listened to him speak doing one of their convocation speeches.

So why is it that we see this happening on one side, but not on the other side? Yeah. We as constitutional conservatives We're confident in what we believe in. You saw that with Charlie Kirk sitting on their tent saying, prove me wrong. And that's what we have to continue to do.

Yeah, I thought Bill Maher, again, I think it's valuable when a guy's like, I'm still never going to vote for a Republican. I'm a liberal, but I'm open to the ideas, and the Democrats have lost their minds.

So here's an example of this. Here as he is talking this weekend, cut 20. This has to stop too. He went out to dinner. I wouldn't have done that.

In Washington, D.C., okay, and people started to gather around him and they were chanting, You're the Hitler of our time.

Okay, first of all, He's not Hitler.

Okay. An insult to everybody in the Holocaust to begin with. Second of all, calling somebody Hitler makes it a lot easier to justify things like assassinations. Let's put it. Of that away, shall we?

And that was before the assassination. He brought that up because President Trump went out to eat, and these protesters just popped up and started screaming at him.

Now they were middlely ferried out. But who does that? Mean. Yeah. The only people that do that are the ones that believe that they can only advance their ideology through threats, intimidation, coercion.

and ultimately violence. Think about the week before Charlotte Kirk was Assassinated. Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut was on an interview. You can, again, play the video. He said we're at war.

For to save this country. And in times of war, you do whatever is necessary to save the country. Whatever is necessary. saying that we're at war.

Now we can have ideological disagreements, but I'm not going to come out and say we're at war. If you seek to undermine our constitutional republic, yes, you know, and violate the rule of law, we should have a discussion about that. but we can rectify those things through very peaceful means. But This call to violence has to stop. Lastly, right now the IDF is moving heavily in Gaza City.

What's your projection? How long do you think this operation is going to be? Yeah, let me tell you what uh Urban operations are tough for a military because you got to clear buildings and then, of course, you got to go subterranean. I would say this is a good another four to five months. But Hamas has to be eliminated.

This is a terrorist organization that cannot be left intact. as a governing authority in Gaza. Yeah, I agree with you. Thanks so much, Lieutenant Colonel Alan West. He's the Dallas County Republican Party Chair, American Constitutional Rights Union Executive Director, and former Congressman from Florida.

Colonel, thank you. Appreciate you, Brian. You got it. Listen, we got it. Just around the bend, we're going to be talking to Senator James Langford.

Then I'm going to do a simulcast on Varney and Company, and that's going to be with David Asmond sitting in for Stewart. Just a quick reminder: it's coming up quicker than you think. A week from this Saturday, on the 27th, I'm going to be in Richmond, Virginia, at History, Liberty, and Laughs. Last time, Colonel Alan West helped me out. Frederick Douglass played Booker T.

Washington and played himself.

So I bring you what's going on in the news. I have some fun with history and able to go back and look at my seven history books and then bring at least one of those chapters to life in a fun, engaging way, especially as we come up on year 250. Yeah, it'll be streamed on Fox Nation, but especially all the stations we have in Virginia. I'd love to see all of you in person. And the VIP area, I could talk to you much longer before.

We're already getting great numbers on the VIP. That'll be important. And then I'm going to be in Potts Town November 1st, History, Liberty, and Laughs. And that is selling at a dizzying pace. In fact, there's more VIPs for Potsdown than.

Than they are in Virginia, and that is two months away, which is pretty amazing.

So that's going to be important.

So when we come back, the political process now. Enough with a moment of silence. What are we going to do about funding the government? And what are we going to do about Ukraine? They need our support right now.

Consider James Laringberg convinced the president to do it. And guess what? The deal for TikTok is just around the bend. Is it a deal that keeps China off it? I hope so.

Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Show. Cash Patel is testifying now in Capitol Hill. This is scheduled, but everyone's watching now. We're dipping into it on the network and here because the impact of the assassination of Charlie Kirk and then what happened in Minneapolis.

And then you think about what happened at that church, at that school. With those kids being targeted by that trans shooter. There is so many things worthy of investigation, but I don't know if it's legislation.

Meanwhile, on Capitol Hill, they're wondering if they should fund the government or not. All indications are, and speaking with Senator Thune, I think the Democrats feel as though they've got to make their stand and they're not going to look to even have a CR. Senator James Langford, one of the coolest heads in Washington, Homeland Security, Intelligence and Finance. Senator, do you think we're heading towards a shutdown? I hope we are not headed towards a shutdown.

That doesn't help the country. There are folks that are always. Charging at the politics of running out of government shutdown is a charge of the light brigade every time. It literally wastes money every single time with a 37 trillion dollar total debt. We don't need to do things that waste money.

We got to figure out how to be able to spend less and save more. And so that's what we should be focused on. Right now, Brian, as crazy as it is. We want to just take the current government funding that we're doing right now. This shouldn't be controversial, what we're doing right now.

keep that going for seven more weeks while we negotiate the rest of next year's spending. Democrats are stepping in and saying no, We want $300 billion in new spending on health care issues. if we're going to extend for seven weeks. If they're doing that for seven weeks, I can't wait to see what they're going to ask for seven weeks from now to say, okay, to do the rest of the year, here's what we're looking for. But we we have just said let's just keep it open as it is now, let's keep negotiating.

Uh yeah, and when when's your deadline? The deadline is actually the thirtieth of September. We got to have it done by midnight. thirtieth of September.

So we've got a couple of weeks to go still on it. Uh but next week is a Jewish holiday, and so part of the week we are out of session for the Jewish holiday for Rosh Hashanah. Uh but we are obviously we still got to get everything done by the 30th of September. Senator, I know a lot of people are thinking about how to look at the Charlie Kirk horrific assassination and thinking about how do you stop the next one. And they're thinking those boys in basements, young men, rudderless on the internet, that's not every killer.

But it does seem to be this one. And then you look at the killer in that school. He was pretty isolated or she was pretty isolated. That trans shooter was pretty isolated too. Is there a bigger story?

Is there something we could do in a big way to stop the next attack that you've seen and study in the last few? Yeah. So the couple of things I think of on this first, just you know me, I'm a pastor before I was ever in Congress. This is a spiritual issue that's happening in the country as more and more people are getting more and more isolated from communities. They're backing away from their relationship with God, or they're just saying, Hey, God's not important in my life.

Moral issues are not important in my life. I can make up things as I want to go. There is no moral foundation in our culture. As those things occur, we lose the most basic principle. What a lawyer came to Jesus once and asked and said, What's the greatest commandment?

Of all the commandments in Scripture, what's the top one? And Jesus said, Well, I'll give you the top two: Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. Literally all of our society historically has been based on that. And as people walk away from that and just say, hey, I don't care anymore about church, about God, about spiritual things, we're also walking away from that basic moral foundation. of the most essential things in life is to be able to figure out how do we love God, how do we love people?

And as we lose that, yeah, we lose the culture and people drift off into violence. As Charlie Kirk said, when the dialogue stops, the violence starts. That's the first big one. The second big one is how do we stop this algorithm? that pushes people into rabbit holes at conspiracy theories and crazy If you go look at one crazy thing, the algorithm on social media sends you in another one, another one, another one, and eventually that becomes your new reality.

You think everybody in the world thinks this. when it's only this fringe group thinks it. That's a legislative issue that we've got to figure out. Not free speech. Government shouldn't be involved in free speech.

But if they're intentionally sending you things that get progressively crazier, they're controlling and actually sending that messaging to you. Maybe there should be some culpability there.

So, to you know, the algorithm that TikTok has is a lot better than even what Instagram has.

So, they're actually, I even think some moments they're reading your mind.

Sometimes you're thinking to yourself, hey, you know what? I gotta get my, I gotta start shopping for a car. And next thing you know, you got these cars popping up. And I think it's going to a whole new level, and I think they'll find that out. But certainly, when they're listening to our conversations, if you and I are talking about something, next thing you know, you got all these different people speaking about it on your algorithm.

How are you supposed to?

Okay, you're trying to sell me something. That's fine. That's our culture. That's why you have marketing, that's why you have commercials. But how do you know what's bad?

You know, um Like, what's bad? Obviously, if you're going to urge me to have commit suicide and give me ideas, that's a. That's a problem. I don't know if he could put that into a program or not, but a lot of this is these people are in their own worlds. They don't have to meet other people.

They just sit online and they sit down, and there's no outside resources needed. As Dr. Drew told me last hour, he goes, You realize this happened during the pandemic more than anything else. People who were there were told to stay there. And that's when this kid dropped out of school, by the way.

Yeah. He did, actually. It became more and more isolated. And that is the challenge now: is that you can literally function in complete isolation. You could watch everything online, do everything, work online.

You can order your food online. You're not interacting with people at all. And that isolates you more and more and more. We do need each other. As much as we irritate each other, we also need each other in that interaction, that human dialogue, that encouragement that can happen only with another person is actually interacting with you.

And so as we isolate more and more, it does make a difference. Oklahoma schools, by the way, have now, there's a law that's been passed in Oklahoma for the last month we've been in session. Bell to bell, no cell phone.

So, if students cannot bring their cell phones into class, they can't turn them on, they can't have them. What I've talked to with teachers, with parents, with even other students and administrators. They're saying the whole dialogue in school has dramatically changed. In Oklahoma in the last month, because people are actually talking to each other, interacting with each other. They're not on their phones.

They're not cyberbullying each other in the hallways. It's a dramatic difference that has occurred just by saying at school, you're not going to have your cell phones. You can't have them at all. And that changes the atmosphere. And quite frankly, that's not a bad attitude for a lot of people to be able to say, how do you get a break away from all the social media noise?

Yeah, I hear that.

So for how do you think Cash Patel's FBI has handled the investigation? Yeah, obviously everybody, the first time they do anything like this, you make some mistakes as you go through, so I give him some leeway on. He's trying to get information out as fast as he possibly can. And sometimes when you're fast, you're not accurate. And I think he has learned some of that as he's gone through the process of just trying to get things done quickly.

But everybody is wanting it as fast as they possibly can. And the challenge is, if you don't get information out fast, then the conspiracy theories grow. About what it is.

So he's trying to get facts out as quickly as he can before conspiracy theories grow in the process.

So there is that balance. I trust cash. He's trying to do the right thing on it. He's trying to be able to lead well in this area, and I think he's going to do fine. But yeah, everybody's jumping on him for announcing too quickly on some things.

He's trying to get ahead of some things and doing his job of trying to make sure the FBI is as transparent as possible. Right. He said I could have phrased it differently. He said he made a mistake in that, not so much putting something up, but what he actually said in the post. Like, we have a person, we don't know if it's it, if he's the guy we're investigating, probably would have been better.

And he kind of admitted that. Here's what Todd Blanch said about the criticism: he's the deputy attorney general, cut 11. That's ridiculous. I mean, it's nobody should be surprised that CNN is being critical of anything this administration does. But that being said, Director Patel, why didn't we catch this man?

We caught this man. That's a photo. He demanded that that photo. That's exactly right. And why was his photo plastered everywhere?

Because of the work of the FBI and local law enforcement. Why was the video released? Because Director Patel was there getting it done. If he wasn't there, CNN would have the same report and said, shocker. Direct Patel wasn't there.

So there's some pushback because there was some talk about an internal strife. I happen to have made some phone calls too. It's not there. There's natural tension for people who want to be successful. But, you know, so I don't know what you're hearing, but I kind of like the way this Trump team is functioning.

Yeah, yeah, they're they're they're functioning well in all this back and forth about And you know that that Cash Matel was pushing to get the video out as fast as possible and local law enforcement was pushing back and saying, no, we need to slow down. And Cash was saying, get it out sooner. It was the back and forth between if we put up the video too fast, Uh, we're going to get 10,000 leads. We can't chase 10,000 leads on it because 9,999 of them are going to be wrong, and we've got to be able to shift through and find the first one. Cash's focus was to get it out faster right now while people are looking at it.

He made the right call. It got out there, the family actually looked at it and said, Oh my gosh, that's my son. And it started a whole contagion of response on it.

So he made the right call on that. I like the fact that President Trump talks to us all the time. He's actually not talking to the media, he's talking to us, the people. And I also love the fact that these guys are always holding press conferences, whether it's Sean Duffy or Cash Patel or Tulsi Gabbard. I feel like I'm in the know.

And it just wipes out a lot of the questions. Senator, I know you do a lot of events. We only have twenty seconds left, but are you changing your schedule now? Are you still doing events? Are you still doing public appearances?

Yeah, still doing public appearances, still doing events. I was at a high school football game last Friday night. And wanting to be able to visit with people and be out. I'm still going to be out there, I'm still going to do what I can on it, but obviously, we're paying attention. trying to be smart as well as being wise.

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Now the Brian Kilmead Show joins Fox Business's Varney and Company with Stuart Varney, live on your radio and on Fox Business. Here's Brian Kilmead. It's always cool when you guys get a chance to see what's going on in the studio. I get a chance to see what's going on at FBN, we do a sample cast. Uh today sitting in for Sitting in for Stuart Varney is going to be David Asmond.

So that'll be interesting. We'll talk about that. And maybe at the back end, with any luck, we'll be able to take some calls.

Sometimes they leave me some time at the end, or sometimes we go right through the tape. But there's a lot going on. It's very nice of Senator James Langford for helping us out.

So let's listen in. Four seconds left to go. That means it is time for Brian Killmead. Brian, can you hear me? Yes, I can.

You can see you're listening very attentively, I must say. All right, we got to deal with the story of what happened to our friend Charlie Kirk and Vice President J.D. Vance hosting for him, hosting for his podcast, where he said left-wing extremism was to blame for Charlie's death. Roll that tape. Of course, we have to make sure that the killer is brought to justice, and importantly, we have to talk.

about this incredibly destructive movement of left wing extremism that has grown up over the last few years, and I believe is part of the reason why Charlie was killed by an assassin's bullet. We're going to talk about how to dismantle that. and how to bring real unity Real unity that can only come when we tell the truth and everybody knows that they can speak their mind about the issues of the day without being cut down. a murderer's gun. Brian, I want you to respond to that, but in light of the fact that we've seen this enormous explosion of individuals around the country, young people, who want to start membership in Turning Point USA on their own campuses, that's a very encouraging sign, isn't it?

Yeah, that's a debate. I mean, what they want to do is go on a campus where their school of thought will be in the minority, hopefully not for their sake, not as much in the minority, be able to debate and get their words out and be able to bring candidates in and begin to make it more of an environment where the mind grows instead of narrows in a polarized world. I think it's a huge positive. And I think this twisted would-be assassin wanted to get Charlie Kirk because he's the most promising voice for the next generation. But what he did is ignite the next generation to be more like Charlie Kirk.

And I don't think they ever could have foreseen it or he could have ever foreseen it, but that's exactly what happened. I want to unwind how he did what he did, but I also want to point out. It's really important if these campuses don't have an ability to let you speak your mind, why would anyone go? We've been just accepting this for years.

So I'd love to see that. But if the president wants to make sure these extremists, and the vice president wants to make sure these extremists are not armed and going out to right a wrong as a martyr.

So something's got to be done. We used to know exactly how to take down a terrorist. You unwind Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas. We find out who's financing them, get into ISIS and find out what country is behind them. This is within our own country.

So we've got to find out what's on the outside fueling this type of behavior. We also got to find out what's on the inside of the perpetrator because there is this, for all the positive news about TPUSA and the growth there since Charlie was assassinated, there's still questions of how many people are being influenced by what's going on in the media. And you interviewed Dr. Drew Pinski about the man accused of murdering Charlie Kirk. Let me just play the sound bite and get your reaction.

Roll it. Charlie Kirk's killer was described as a Reddit kid by his high school colleagues, meaning going to these deep, dark corners of the internet, and that's where people are radicalized. Look, the mainstream media sets the table, right? It tells us Charlie said horrible things. People start to believe that.

They hear it over and over again. Then they go deep in, and that's where the dehumanization begins. They get around the parental controls. They get around things. And I think the main thing is to get them out and socialize them.

It's what Charlie was sort of advocating for. And and you know, he said it was it was part a hangover from the pandemic era when when all these kids were were locked into their rooms, had to do everything over over the video, over their machines, and got sucked into all this. Yeah, he liked guns, he liked cars. He didn't really like people.

Something happened. They moves out of his house 10 minutes away and starts living with another guy who's having a relationship with who's turning into a woman. He's obsessed with a furry community, whatever that is. But something happened there when you have a traditional Mormon household on the outside where he's going to church and is an outdoorsman. You see all these pictures of him with his family, and he just splits.

And he takes that scholarship. Goes away for a semester. and then comes home. What happened? Did the pandemic send him home where he got sucked into his computer?

I mean, is there something other people could have done? I'm not sure. We're going to find out more about that. But there's nothing about this guy that should have read that should have read killer. But they feel they're a martyr.

They feel he's that Charlie Kirk is so dangerous. For the world to be safe, we have to get rid of him. We got to, unfortunately, end this segment, but there's a lot more to say about all these issues. You can always see Brian Kilmead, of course, on the morning with Fox and Friends. Brian, thank you so much for being here.

Appreciate it, my pleasure. Thank you, Adam, David. Thank you so much. Uh, so that that's where we're going from here. Uh, well, okay, why is he like that?

And I think we're at the point now where if your kids are playing video games all game day, Because they're quiet and doing their own thing doesn't mean they're okay. I hopefully, this is a bit of a wake-up call. As I mentioned, who would have thought two years ago that 14 to 16 states already banned phones in schools? Maybe there's going to be some type of alert. For example, do you remember when parents started looking over the shoulders of their kids when they were home with the pandemic?

And they started saying, What are you learning? What kind of homework is this? What kind of curriculum is this? And that alerted to them, and people started going, I'm getting my kid out, or I want to straighten this out, or I want to go to a private school. Do you think now?

possibly flares are going up for if you have that kid who's not into sports, not into scouting, not into crafts, not into engines, but is just into his Uh uh his his joystick. He's just into his console. He's just in with the gaming community. He sits there with his headsets on. You don't see him for six or eight hours.

Maybe instead of saying, well, that's what he likes to do. Maybe it's time to get involved. Who are you talking to? What country are they from? Who are you dialoguing with?

And why is it sometimes you're not even playing the game, you're just talking? Because when you look at some of this stuff that's going on, if parents were able to look at that and how many people can see the text messages of their kids, they would have known something was wrong.

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We don't know. Could be freestyle. And he's Camping World CEO and host of The Fixer on Fox on Fridays at 8 o'clock. And now also airing on FBN on Tuesdays at 8 o'clock. It already aired on the network and now is streaming on Fox Nation as well.

And Marcus, we wear you out because it seems like one day a week we get you coming on Fox business and being here. Do you like this? Does it feel like a gym almost? I do like it. In fact, I've had the opportunity to do some stuff on bottom line.

And so I love that as well. It doesn't feel like a gym. Yeah, it feels like an opportunity to share ideas and share conversation. And I look back at what's happened with Charlie over the last week. I think the idea that people can have a conversation, not always agree, and have an intelligent conversation, I think that's going to be something to look forward to in the coming months.

Yeah, I think, you know, I was talking to the radio people, the radio experts the other day about like where the business is heading. And they say people that are not dug in ideologically, where they're predictable with exactly what they're going to say on every issue is the future. Is it that you're open to hearing the other side and can be convinced at certain moments? They think that people, there's only one Rush Limbaugh. And maybe there was a time in which everybody wanted to be rushed.

I have the answer to everything. Yeah. And I think the viewer, the listener, is saying, I know you don't. And there's no way everybody has the answer to everything on every issue, and there's no way every party gets it right. When you look at the things that we cover here at Fox, whether we're carrying.

Covering politics and policy, or we're covering monetary policy. I think where monetary policy gets involved, you want to spur a little bit more debate about that, and whether it's the housing market or interest rates, ideologically, we're all the same in terms of being conservative about how we treat people and how the world should work. When it comes to money. I think there's a different opinion. You want diversity of opinion.

I want different opinions because I want people to find the best solution. My future could be on the balance because of that. And what's important to you financially is very different than what's important to me. And I think the ability to have that dialogue is really important. Where do you think the economy is at right now?

I think the economy is in a little bit of trouble. Um and whether we get a quarter of a point or a half a point, I think a half a point would signal something very bad. I think you'd see the ten year actually skyrocketing. People would benefit from that.

Well, they'd benefit short term, but what most people would say is, what does that tell you about the underlying foundation of the economy. If you have to go to a half a point What's the real problem? Are the jobs numbers worse? And when you don't trust all the data that you're relying on that's coming out that has been, quite frankly, invalid, and then you see a half a point, you wonder what does the boogeyman have? What does the Fed have that we don't know about it?

Are they independent? Are they not independent? There's a lot of monetary issues that are coming up. It's just so interesting and counterintuitive for non-economics majors.

So you say to yourself, I'm raising rates, I'm raising the interest rate because I think inflation is out of control. That worries you, right? Correct? I'm raising rates because I think inflation is out of control. Or I don't want to bring rates down because I think the bringing of rates down is going to spark inflation.

This inflation is different than what we saw during COVID. This is transitory, where prices are moved for a specific reason as opposed to demand. We know we don't have a demand problem. You can look at the housing market. The housing data came out today.

Another 32, same as last month. What is 32?

Well, it's essentially the sentiment of what's happening in the general housing market. The concern that I have is that it's 32 in September. It was 32 in August, but in September the rates are at 6.3. As opposed to 6.5, 6.6.

So we saw a discount in mortgage rates. We didn't see a spike in demand. Is that because of unemployment? Is that because it takes a minute to settle in? The tenure treasury is what needs to be unlocked, more than the rates themselves.

So, just back to the rates for a second. Could I just bring you to the pedestrian? You know what someone's saying? I have a pretty good house. I'd like to get a better one.

But I got 3.8% interest rate. Not gonna move. Not gonna move. Because they were so low.

Well, Brian, it's a math calculation, though. And this is the one thing that I think people need to understand more. When you're thinking about your monthly payment, you're thinking about two principal inputs: what's the price of the house and what's my interest rate? And together, those make a payment. And people in America buy and live off of payments.

So if I can get a great deal on a house, if the rate's a little higher, it still all matters what my payment is. The problem we've had for the last couple of years is we have high prices on houses and high prices on rates. Those two things don't work well together. And we don't have enough.

Well, we say we don't have enough, but are there people walking around? No. We say we don't have enough because we want to drive prices down, but we have tariffs on steel, on wood.

So, how are you going to make houses for less? The only way you're going to do that is you have to move away from city centers. That's the only way that's going to happen.

Now, you're telling people to move 30 minutes away.

Well, now my gas is going to be more expensive to drive.

So, there's all these puts and takes. At the end of the day, we need the rate to stabilize. We need the, in my opinion, we need the mortgage rate to have a five handle in front of it and not a six. And we need prices just to settle.

So, I thought President Trump said something interesting yesterday. He goes, why are these companies reporting quarterly to their shareholders? In Europe, they don't. And they spend so much time getting their reports ready, they're not running their company. You run a big company.

I run two public companies today. How do you feel about that? And I commented last evening on it that. In my opinion, there has to be a balance between two. If there today, there's four beefy quarterlies, those are called queues.

And for the annual year, you do what's called a K that sort of summarizes everything. To move to two times a year would be okay. I don't know what they would call it, but what information are you providing to the market inside of those stub six months? Are you going to have to flash revenue? Are you going to have to flash gross profit?

What are you going to have to show people? Because six months is a long time not to give any information. And 90 days is too short of a period that every 90 days I'm revving up, file the queue, have a call, go on the road, answer questions. When are we going to run our business? Yeah.

And that's for me been the biggest frustration. It's like, every time I think we're done, we're revving back up again. Right. So, what do you, what's your suggestion? My goal would be to have reporting done in a more formal, more robust, fulsome way twice a year.

It almost looks like a K where there's more disclosures. And then on a quarterly basis or even a monthly basis, you're flashing some sort.

sort of information. I think everybody's like, well, there's going to be less audit fees. There's not, because if you provide a flash, which is just a top-line look at what's happening. Demand, file size, whatever it may be, you're still going to need somebody to opine on it. A lot of people are saying, Well, there's going to be fraud and there's going to be dishonesty.

Well, you probably shouldn't be investing into a company that you believed leadership, if they're given two reports instead of four, are now all of a sudden going to pull the wool over your eyes. Right. And how did the business community? I know you speak for yourself, but you talked to all your friends. When he said that, did people say, I love to, I hope we can follow through on this?

Well, nobody thinks it's a good idea to report more often.

So you talk about taking regulation out, taking costs out of the business. What you're doing is you're giving me time back. You're giving CEOs time back. Right. That's really what you're doing.

It's going fine. It's going great. I mean, listen, we we need the housing market to get better. It will. The R V market is better.

Camping World's doing well in both cases. The RV business and the housing market are really good flashing points for what's happening with the general consumer. Not as good as it should be, but not terrible. Have you talked to people, it's not in your business, that have felt the clampdown in illegal immigration? In terms of the late 2000s, I thought there was going to be more.

I haven't even heard it from folks that own big restaurant chains. And so, what that tells you is, more people have been doing it right. Or probably the last five, six years than before. I would imagine that certain services in certain markets are probably impaired, but I haven't seen it.

So I'm looking at the TikTok deal. As long as China does not have any say in it, if they're going to give up the engine and not have anything to do with that, I just don't see how TikTok is not a security risk and lets China totally lets it go. A partial sell is not good. Would you agree with that?

Well, you don't want China to own anything, but I think China's going to hold the line on what they want to have the DNA into TikTok. And TikTok is a very special DNA. And a lot of Americans, young kids, middle-aged kids, do a lot of commerce on there. Getting them out from the ownership stake is one thing, but there is a secret sauce to TikTok. As Americans, we sometimes take things like that and we We mess them up.

So That is true. If you the if you talk to Mr. Wonderful of Shark Tank, he, Ke Kevin O'Leary, says, just give me the just give me the followers, give me the users. I don't need the special sauce. We could handle it.

But if they hold on to that, that means they have a way of disseminating what America's up to. They can continue to monitor it. You know, I love Kevin. We all do. I'm not sure what Kevin's going to do to keep that special sauce alive.

He may have ideas that I'm not aware of. But ownership is one thing, and the walls around the information are another. The idea is to protect the users in the United States from having their data stolen and having things. Infiltrate their own lives. On the news feed, I ask people all the time: have you ever seen anything pro-Taiwan?

Have you ever seen anything that was pro Israeli? I mean, the anti the the ratio of like ten to one positive stories for Israel on the TikTok news feed, and it comes down to fundamentally this, which is not necessarily business, but Do you want another country controlling the number one news source for the next generation? That's why Congress acted. That's why I can't I know the President's hesitating because a lot of people make money on there, but security wise, this should have been sold already or disseminated.

Well, it's about controlling information. And I think that's ultimately what the Chinese government wants. They want to control the information out and they want to control the data in. And I think that's the big fear. I do have some concerns over some of the things that domestic Social media firms are doing.

I know it took a lot to get some of the Charlie Kirk videos down. It took a lot to get a lot of other hate speech off of those sites. There's a balance to me between freedom of speech and creating nonsense for people to process in their brain. And you wonder if assassins and killers and people that aren't wired properly are taking all this information in and it's controlling their brain in a very negative way. And do you think that China and Russia and North Korea wouldn't have figured out a negative way to affect Americans' brains?

Of course.

Of course, and they may already be doing it. That's what worries me. That's why I might go back. The President of the United States, we had a famous fracture with India, but now we seem to be making steady progress with China. How does that reflect on American businessmen?

How do you guys view this?

Well, China, when you say there's progress for China, progress towards a trade deal.

Well, I don't think any trade deal is going to come together until we know how the Supreme Court is going to rule on whether the tariffs can stay or not stay. I'd be very surprised, because how do you ultimately structure something if you don't know what the ruling's going to be? If the Supreme Court comes out and says everything could stay, you probably get a deal quicker. If they don't, Does it change the dynamics pretty much? We lose rapidly a lot of leverage with China.

You lose a lot of leverage in seeing China, India, and Russia having a little powwow on a Sunday. It's probably the reason Trump's in the UK. The episode this week is a business out in New Jersey. It's Healthy Italia. It's a small restaurant cooking school concept.

Um and you know it's hard to really focus on that business right now. All the things that have happened in the last week, it's funny. I've been doing a lot of podcasts talking about the fixer. And to be honest with you, the only thing that needs to be fixed is the way people are thinking about communicating with each other. Small businesses need help.

I'll always be there to do that. But right now, our society needs help. Do you think you could play a role in that? I think I do every day. Just by being you.

By trying to be set a good example and do the right thing and try to deal with discourse towards me, about me, around me in a different sort of way. Right. I understand. Hopefully, people recalibrate. We're hearing all of the guy that you were sparring with a short time ago punch him right back in the face, and a lot of the rhetoric and the Hitler talk.

I think we might have learned something through this. Do you think we have? A little quieter in the last week, and I think somebody had to say to him, please don't be part of the problem. Stand on your own two feet. Fight on policy, not on fanfare and a bunch of nonsense.

I still haven't heard from him. As I told you, we texted, had a nice text exchange. Because you said, I'm not going to do a bed, bath, and beyond in California. It doesn't make financial sense. Not going to put a bed bath and beyond in California, not because I don't love the people of California, but I have an obligation to shareholders, as everybody that runs the company does, to deliver a profit.

And if you go into a situation knowing. that the possibility of making a profit is slim to zero or negative. You can't do it. No matter how great the top line could be, you have a responsibility to bring home an acorn, not leave one there in California today. and I don't think it has to be forever, leaves too many acorns behind.

What I want Gavin Newsom to do, and I've tried to make this message clear to him, is sit down with business leaders who you diametically disagree with and understand where the middle ground is, which means I have to compromise too. This idea that businesses that don't want to be in California don't want to protect workers is nonsense. This idea that we don't want people to make more money is nonsense. What does matter is what are the regulatory constraints that you've put around businesses? Why have people left?

Why aren't people coming? Beautiful place to live, wonderful people, and a lot of wealth in California.

So, on the surface, you would pick California as the first place you'd open. You do your research, it's the last place you probably want to be. And the other thing I think is important, too, is when you talk about minimum wage. He wanted to just unilaterally raise minimum wage without even, I guess it's a promise to a fast food magnet guy. I'm not sure what he did, but minimum wage is something you should talk to business people about.

You're not looking to starve the entry-level worker, but the math has got to make sense for you, or else you're going to go to automation or you're not going to be able to open. It's very simple, and I hate to liken it to just making hamburgers. There's a certain price for a hamburger, there's a cost to operate, there's rent, there's taxes, there's all these things, and you can predict out what your volume is going to be. And at the end, there's going to be a yield. One of the biggest inputs is labor.

And if you break the labor model and take it away from free enterprise and a free market, you're essentially telling the business owner, We're going to create a fixed cost, just like your rent.

So you have two choices. Lose money or three choices. Lose money. Leave. Or raise your prices.

In all cases, isn't it really bad for the consumer? If the hamburger now goes up by a dollar? I don't think people really understand that what ultimately happens in California is there is California pricing. And there is pricing everywhere else.

So, who bears the brunt? The consumer. Right. And they don't have a bed bath for yelling to kick around anymore. Marcus Limonis, thanks so much.

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They're the people who don't want to talk. It's my main issue with them. And Charlie Kirk was a guy who, like, he was always talking. And I talk to him here. You know, the right-wingers, say what you want about them, but they talk to you.

They're not into this. Leftists think that the left really has much more of a I don't talk I don't want to deal with you. Uh you're deplorable. I can't break bread with you. That attitude, and like.

All the right-wingers, they they don't have that attitude. It's I you know what? Bill Moore is 100% right. I never really thought about that. But for the most part, I don't really know anybody that doesn't want to debate it out.

But sometimes you could see people just get a. ready to snap if you say things like I thought Joe Biden was out of it for a year and a half, at least maybe three and a half years when he got the job. He never would have got it without the pandemic. If you say that, If you want to push back on me, I'm fine with that. But if I say that to people who I know don't agree with that, my sense is.

97%. will be outraged and they'll start yelling. Where if they turn around and say Donald Trump is a terrible president and here's why, I'll go, okay. I'll take what each one. Take each one on.

See what the merit is. And I think most people are like that I know, especially if you take Trump's side. You've got to be ready for a debate almost every day, or perceive to take Trump's side. If you're not ready for a debate, don't do it, where you just have to lie to people. Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy, host of the Trey Goutde Podcast.

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Hey, with me right now is Mayor Glenn Jacobs of Knox County, Tennessee, aka WWE Hall of Fame professional wrestler Kanan in his previous life. He doesn't have to throw people around now, but he could. Mr. Mayor, welcome back. Hey, thanks for having me on, Brian.

I appreciate it. I got to bring into a mayor battle that we have here. Your thoughts about the fact that a mayor, that a governor, would be the first major politician in the area, not Hakeem Jeffries, not Senator Schumer, not Dan Goldman, to come out and say, I endorse acclaimed socialist Zoe Ram Mdani. Why would somebody who wants to win possible some moderates and Republicans think that this is a good move? Because the Democrats now are so fearful of the extreme left wing of their party that they do things that just defy common sense.

And I think we see it in this case. Her endorsement was not exactly ringing because she said, I endorse him, but I don't like his policies. Which is basically fascinating. Yeah. Here's what Tom Swazzi did: a Democrat from Long Island, not buying it, cut 29.

Sometimes change is more important than unity. And I think that the Democrats, we have to work on our brand and I think that uh message that Mr. Momdani is standing for is not something that I agree with. I agree 100% with his diagnosis of the problem. I just disagree with his solutions he's proposing.

I think that the socialism is bad for the Democratic Party. Right. And and that's what Other people are saying, do we want to be socialists?

So, does that make your job easy as a Republican? If they're going to embrace something that's it does, actually, but unfortunately, it makes everyone else's lives harder. You know, and that's kind of the dilemma that we face now: is what the Democrats are doing politically plays right into the hands of Republicans. At the same time, you know, you and I are just talking off air. I believe that the election of Mondabi to mayor of New York City is going to cause another exodus to Tennessee as people realize how bad these policies are.

And we've seen that time and time again now. But at the same time, there are people that can't leave and can't go anywhere, and they're going to be stuck here with, unfortunately, the regime that he imposes, which is He's an outright socialist. Right, so here's what Chris Van Howen said, the senator from Maryland. He said Van Howen argued that the Democratic Party has got has got to fix itself and that they should show a spine. And he went out and said, he said, they are too cautious and rudderless.

Too cautious. I think it takes more of a spine to say. I'm not voting for you, even though you're in my party, if in fact you win. He focused on ensuring that people can afford to live in a place that they work, but there's nothing in his policies that could make it affordable except for clamping down on landlords from renting rent, which means that building goes out of business. That's exactly right.

What then happens is your number of rental units goes down, which causes the whole problem to get even worse. You know, let the market work, but they're not going to do that. And unfortunately, I think what's going to happen is the whirlwind is going to come home and people are going to. The people that vote for this are going to get what they voted for. They're going to get it good and hard.

So who's about to get it? I think it's a good thing some people don't is Memphis. That is going to be where the president comes down next in fighting the crime situation.

So income the National Guard, incomes ICE in a big way, incomes the FBI is going to be on the ground. You're over in Tennessee, too. Your reaction to the president picking Memphis. What's it like on the ground? Yeah, so I'm on the opposite side of the state.

We're actually about 400 miles away from Memphis. But I hear the stories, and the crime there is terrible. And I know I know that the governor, this is not actually just a knee-jerk. You know, we're going to do this. It's something that was decided overnight.

The governor has. Has upped the number of state troopers in Memphis. They've been working with the FBI, the DEA, other organizations, and just nothing has worked. This is still the most violent city in the country. It is.

It is. And this was a coordinated, you know, this was not Trump saying, hey, I'm going to send the troops in. This was basically a coordination among especially state politicians and elected officials to do this. But not the city. Listen to Mayor Paul Young, Cut 37.

I'm certainly not happy about the National Guard. I am looking forward to trying to find ways to invest in the things that we're already doing to address crime in our city. Do you not want the National Guard in Memphis? I mean, are you saying clearly, I don't want them here? Yeah, I mean, I think that statement has been clear.

But at the end of the day, my goal is to make sure that. If they are coming here, which we now know they are, that we are able to drive how they engage in our city.

So If they are coming here, your thoughts about how he feels. He's a Democrat. You know, the interesting thing is, you look at Knox County compared to Memphis. Obviously, again, we're pretty far apart, we're two different areas. Oh.

District Attorney General named Charmed Allen does a great job. She makes sure that violent criminals are prosecuted. Our sheriff, Tom Spangler, does a great job. The Knoxville Police Department does a really good job as well. To me, these things fall.

at the feet of local elected officials. That's and you can just see it around the country, the difference among areas. It is local leadership that matters. And what's happened in Memphis is they allowed the situation to get out of control through many of their policies, not prosecuting people that need to be prosecuted. You know, the bail reform, which is not anything.

I did not know they have that ridiculous bail reform, no cash bail. Yeah, it's a little more complex than that. It's like bail by need.

So whatever you can afford to pay is what you pay or something like that. But it results in a cashless bail.

So those things don't work. We don't do those in Knox County, don't do those in many other parts of the country. And we don't have the problems. And I think that part of that just goes back to local leadership and the policies that they adopt. See, what I want the president to do is I know he's going to have an effect like he did in D.C., but what happens after?

Yeah, that's the first time. That's the big question, right? I want to plan after.

So to me, off the top of my head, I'm thinking maybe there's money to recruit more cops, a massive recruiting effort with a big bonus if they sign up because usually there's a Police officer problem. Number two, maybe we have an investigation problem. There's too many cases that don't get addressed. I think you have a prosecution problem, too. You know, what do you do when the DA won't prosecute people that they should?

That, you know, and that goes back to the voters in Tennessee. Those are elected positions.

So, you know, you also have to appeal to the people to understand that you are safe. Yeah, you're getting the policies that you voted for.

So here's Congressman Austin Pearson, a Tennessee state rep, cut 39. This is the playbook for the abuse of power and the building up of an authoritarian regime led by a white supremacist president in an effort to become the want-to-be dictator that he's always articulated that he wanted to be. And it's particularly obvious that black cities and black-led cities or black majority cities are the main targets by this administration. But what they are trying to do and what we need to be so, you know, eyes wide open about is they're trying to take over the military to be used for political purposes. And so we do not want them here in Memphis, in Shelby County.

What we do want is federal intervention financially. We do not want military occupation.

So I want more money for maybe midnight basketball? Yeah, more money for the programs that don't work. That's a completely absurd. Surgeon. Do you think he believes what he says?

No, I don't believe that. If he does, he's completely disconnected from reality. Again, this is not something that President Trump said, I'm going to send troops into Memphis. They talked with Governor Lee, talked with other elected officials from that area, as well as Senator Blackburn, Senator Haggerty. And it was a collaboration that decided this was basically the last resort.

People are dying in Memphis. People are getting shot on the streets in Memphis. And at some point, it's like, what do you do? I that's what I hear.

So you got another state rep, this guy's Steve Cohen. He he's actually worse, cut forty. The Nashville establishment has always kind of thought of Memphis as being part of Mississippi. which might be a nice way of saying it's a black city and we don't care about it. They've made disparaging remarks about Memphis for years.

The governor went along with it. The mayor's not for it. Having the National Guard here is unnecessary, and it is a stunt. It's just a Trump show. To show his power and his force.

It's just like that picture that we see when we go to the embassies around the world, and it's Trump looking at you in a mean way with a scowl. And uh that's what he wants to be known as. It's a black city, that's why the president's going, yeah, to help.

So he's trying to help a black citizen. What does that have to do with anything? When people are dying on the streets, and again, it all goes back to politics. Let's make Trump out to be the bad guy. There's a problem.

Trump is trying to do something about it. You may not agree with that.

Okay, that's fine. But then don't accuse his motivation as this sinister white supremac. He is trying to help. Everybody is trying to help. And what you're doing is you're actually hurting the people that you represent.

Lastly, just on. Just lastly, on this segment, is Charlie Kirk, the assassination one week later. When you see trying to pick up a trend to stop the next attack, How do you get kids out of their basement? How do you get kids to act with other kids? You're an athlete.

So you were going from one sport to the other, doing what you had to do. There was really no choice. It's like, how do I fit in homework in between sports?

So if you're not an athlete, you used to exercise scouting, one of those things.

Well, you get a job after school.

Now, maybe you don't need to get that job. You can sit in your basement. You don't bother your parents. You're on the console. You get good grades.

What's the problem? How can you possibly affect that from the governmental level? Yeah, that's, you know, so.

Societal changes are something that government can't control. We make laws and do various things, but in the end of the day, society kind of moves as it moves. I do think that things like, you know, in Tennessee, we just basically banned cell phones from classrooms. And the reason for that really is just to get more engagement with kids. Yeah, and just get, you know, kids actually talking to each other and get more engagement and those sort of things.

I also think when you look at the university system and higher education, that we can see now that that has become a real issue. It's a hotbed of leftists. Have you ever spoken out of college? Yes, I spoke at the University of Tennessee, but I've never spoken really to, you know, like Charlie Kirk did. Obviously, he would go into very hostile areas and speak the truth as he saw it, which is incredibly courageous.

So, yeah, it's difficult, but at the same time, you know, when you see these college professors celebrating an assassination, that's a big issue to me, too. That's a huge issue. I wouldn't think it's going to intimidate you, but. Would you go to a campus where you would not be necessarily welcome? Let's say Harvard and George.

Sure, yeah. Yeah, I'd be. But you would expect to get behind. Yeah, you would. But the thing is, it's so amazing because the left will say that the right's violent.

All we want to do is talk. Charlie Kirk just wanted to talk. You know, I just want to talk with people, debate them a little bit, but show them my point of view. And a lot of times it isn't even for the person I'm talking to. I know I can't.

Persuade them, it's for the people around watching going, Oh my gosh, this guy over here is making the good points, this guy is just, you know. Frank, that doesn't know what he's talking about. That's what Charlie Kirk did, and I think that's very admirable. Yeah, back in a moment. It's Brian Kilmade.

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So one of the main things you talk about as we continue with Mayor Glenn Jacobs of Knox County, Tennessee, one of the things you always talk about is the drug use. The drug is a major issue. I love that Trump is going to the core of the problem, and it is central in South America and it is China. He interdicted a boat last week, and now we know he blew up a second one off the coast of Venezuela yesterday, Mr. Mayor, Cut 44.

Well, we have proof. All you have to do is look at the cargo that was like it spattered all over the ocean. Big bags of cocaine and fentanyl all over the place. We're seeing that there's like no ships, no, you know, when the first one we went, there were. Hundreds of boats.

Now there are no boats. I wonder why Meaning no drugs are coming across So he he's rattled the cages of all these these cartels. He understands what he declared from terror organizations. And I'm not sure where they're going in Venezuela, but clearly with Russia, Iran, and China in there. In our hemisphere, the president is not happy with that, to say the least.

No, it doesn't look like it does. Obviously. And You know, again, This is a guy that acts. You know, he just doesn't sit there and talk. He actually tries to do things and tries to move the needle in the correct direction.

Doesn't it also harden you too that he just sealed the border? I mean, that's a lot of it. Where are you going to put the illegal immigrants?

Well, they're going to stay here until the courts are all backed up.

Well, the first thing you've got to do is shut it down.

Well, good luck with that. Shut it down. Yeah. So are you forced and most Republicans aren't. Are you for some type Once we get the worst of the worst out, some type of long-term work visas for people here illegally to work the farms, the ranches, the meatpacking places, the hospitality.

Obviously, this is not my job, but I almost see a two-tier immigration. It's not even the immigration system. Yes. You know, folks that want to work here. They need to have a it needs to be a market-based.

And what I mean by that is employers need to say, we will get them through the visa process. We will basically vouch for them and ensure that they have a job with us. If not, they can't stay here. Those people can never become citizens, though. They could never vote.

If you want to go through that process, you have to go on a different track. That's something that we're going to have to figure out going forward. Obviously, the issue with just mass amnesty is it encourages illegal immigration in the long term.

So that's something that has to be figured out, obviously. I think that we have an opportunity only because the border sees it. Yes, yes. As soon as you talk, I really don't want to hear it until you see the border.

So now we could look around and say, and the farmers who helped President Trump get elected. I also saw that in this trade deal with China, China's like, yeah, we're not buying you soybeans. Evidently, in talking to Senator Thune of South Dakota, that in Iowa, Senator Ernst of Iowa, that's a huge problem because they had an incredible crop this year. They're their number one client.

So They also need people to work on those farms. There's issues, and they're all connected, and they vote for Trump. Sure, sure. I think, too, what the Trump administration has done is. Their policies have caused a lot of self-deportations as well.

Over a million. Yeah. You know, so you get rid of the really bad folks. And frankly, you get everyone else into whatever system that ultimately results out of this. But again, I think the most important thing is that the folks that come here to work.

And come here to better their lives, they have to go through a legal process. And if they don't do that, you know, they can never take part in the political process. I'm not sure if you get this at the mayor level, but do you know people who are trying to do it legally, marry someone from another country, American marries a foreign country? Just to do the legal visa process is way too hard. Yeah, so when I was in WWE, obviously we had guys from foreign countries that worked with us.

And yes, it is very daunting. I think that needs to be streamlined to the greatest extent possible because, yeah, we want people who are productive, who want to work, who want to contribute. Yeah, you know, but we can't make it so difficult that they can't come here legally. We want to encourage them to come here legally. And I think we've shot ourselves in the foot by making the process so difficult to do that legally.

So, for you personally, we know that Marsha Blackburn, who is going to run for governor, leaving that Senate seat open, which was not easy for her to win. I know, what's the name, Taylor Swift, came out against her. Actually, in Tennessee, that's an endorsement, I think, of Taylor Swift.

Okay, that's fine. She did start as country.

So, and Nashville is very liberal, isn't it? To some extent.

Now, Nashville is very liberal compared to the rest of Tennessee.

So, you know, it's not as liberal as a lot of these other big cities when you compare it that way. I know you've already had a great career in wrestling.

Now you have this seven-year career of about to be an eight-year in politics. How would you feel about six years as senator? What would hold you back? We're trying to get that. That would be a tremendous honor.

Obviously, at this point, I'm just trying to do the best job that I can, be the best Knox County mayor that I can. A lot of things are going to change between now and the gubernatorial election. That's more than a year away. For whatever. Is there any special election needed?

No. So, what would happen is if Senator Blackburn were to win, she's the odds-on-favorite. I'm her treasurer, by the way. I'm a big supporter of hers. But if she were to win, and when she resigns from the Senate seat to take the governor's chair, it would depend on who the acting governor is, would make an appointment to that seat.

They would serve until the next statewide election. They would serve for two years, and then I would be up for election. How great would that be? You don't have to run. You just get appointed and then you prove yourself for two years and then get your sex.

Well, we'll see. But again, there's a lot of stuff going on. And the first step in that is to ensure that Marshall Blackburn becomes the next governor of the state of Tennessee.

Okay. Continue to do your great job. Mayor Glenn Jacobs, thanks so much of Knox County, Tennessee. A impactful time, a very difficult time to be a politician these days. Listen to the Brian Kill Meet Show.

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