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This show proudly sponsored by Real American Freestyle Wrestling. From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmead. It's Griff Jenkins filling in for the great Brian Kilmead show. An honor and pleasure to be here.

I'm actually getting the full Killmead experience. That's what they call it here because no one, I mean no one, works harder in this business than a guy named Brian Kilmead because he does Fox and Friends in the morning, runs up with five minutes to spare, jumps in this radio chair, and does the third most important, powerful show in the country on radio, according to Talkers Magazine. It's a great honor to be here to my listeners that have heard it before. I started in radio and I'll go into that a little bit later. But I want to go right to the newsmaker line because we have a very special guest right now, and that is South Carolina's Attorney General Alan Wilson, who was running for governor in the Palmetto state, and he just got a little bit of company.

Mr. Attorney General, thank you for joining us. Hey, Griff. It's great to be with you. Congratulations on filling in for Brian.

You're doing a great job.

Well, thank you, Mr. Attorney General. Who knows if I break it, they'll just kick me to the curb. But fortunately, knock on wood, I haven't broken it yet. And, you know, what an honor to be here.

But I get to talk to people like you.

Now, let's jump in because you got company. You were, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you were leading the gubernatorial race down in South Carolina with a handful of other people running, prominent Republican politicians. But then, of course, Congresswoman Nancy Mace jumped into that race. And when she announced, she did an interview on Fox, and man, was she going quickly, hard and fast after you. Let me play just a little bit of some of what she had to say.

Let's go with cut two here, Nancy Mace on the story with Martha. You accused him of not taking action after you said that you alerted investigators to a claim that you had been physically abused. His office said that there was never any request for assistance from his office. Can you clarify what happened there, Congresswoman Mace? Oh, that's absolutely a false statement from the Attorney General.

I actually received my victims' rights advocate 11 months later. through his office.

So one of the reasons that I'm running for Governor Martha is that I want everybody across South Carolina to know that I am fighting for them. I have been through the system and if I'm treated this way as a member of Congress, imagine how the average South Carolinian, the average American is treated in our justice system. But, mister Attorney General, I want to give you a chance to to sound off and react to that as well and have your voice heard.

Well, thank you, Griffin. I appreciate that. I remember when the Congresswoman went to the floor of Congress, I believe it was back in February, and basically berated me on the floor of Congress, saying I was not investigating a case. In which a number of women that she found to have been abused by her former fiancée. Was not being reported, or we weren't investigating.

The reality is, my office never received the case. We're not an investigative agency. We're the state's chief prosecution agency. I've spoken to Ms. Mace the month earlier in January, and she never mentioned it to me.

I'd seen her half a dozen times the previous year. She never mentioned anything to me. What she just said in that clip is a categorical lie because our office doesn't investigate. That case is being investigated by the State Law Enforcement Division. They have not given a report to me.

In fact, that case would not even be prosecuted by my office.

So these are things I found it interesting that for 11 months, she never Called me to ask or inquire about her case. If she had called me, I would have told her I didn't know what she was talking about, and I would have directed her to the state law enforcement division. This is a case of someone seeing poll numbers that they don't like, and they're attacking the person who's an impediment to their political ambition. And she has really obviously made a splash jumping in and also lobbying a number of other accusations against you that are as general as just calling it weak leadership. Your response.

Well, I mean, she's accused me of all kinds of things. I mean, she's accused me of putting not putting people away in prison for but a single day. The reality is, is that my office Has quadrupled the size of the Internet Crimes Against Children task force. We have expanded the human trafficking task force. We are supporting local law enforcement and moving backlogs.

And she is just throwing every single piece of mud she can in our general direction. But the truth of the matter is, Um I guess she's nervous about the polls. She sees me as an impediment to her political ambition, and she's going to do everything she can to lie about our record. But the reality is, prosecutors don't give sentences. And when she says that we give weak sentences, she doesn't understand that judges give weak sentences.

Coincidentally, the one judge she did vote for in the legislature was so bad at giving weak sentences that he was not re-elected.

So she has some mud on her suit as well.

Well, so, and you know, since you bring that up, because I want to get, Mr. Attorney General, to really your vision for South Carolina, but very quickly, since you brought up this leniency whole case, let's get it all out there.

So Nancy Mace did also mention that in her interview with Martha. Here, cut three is what she had to say about that. You have the right to know how many convictions there are in this state. You have the right to know what the sentencing is. And need I remind you about convicted pedophile Donald Bresch.

who was found with 1,900 images of toddlers as young as three being raped by animals. He was facing 60 years. And your Attorney General Alan Wilson. There goes the Adonal brushes. Sentence Satan.

In fifteen minutes. And you know how many days he served in jail? He served one Day in jail. I apologize, that's from her announcement. But either way, that's what she said, Mr.

Attorney General. I want to get your reaction.

Well, she is either ignorant as to how the criminal justice system works or she understands how it works and she's purposefully lying to people. Again, my office working with local law enforcement around the state of South Carolina, we have one hundred twenty five agencies working with our prosecutors. They caught this guy about eight, seven, eight years ago. We charged him with possession of child porn. We indicted him, and then, after several years of waiting, we got him in front of a court.

The judge gave him credit for one day that he served in jail, which the judge was required to do by law. The judge sentenced him to seven years, suspended that sentence. the five years of probation and put him on the sex offender registry. We recommended active time to the judge. But when she says that Alan Wilson, that's me, gave someone one day in jail, I can't give people a sentence.

That is done by the court. And we, my staff, the men and women in my office out there spending time in court trying to put these horrible human beings away are asking for active sentences. If the judges don't give active sentences, that's not on the prosecutor. We did our job. We worked with the men and women in law enforcement.

We caught these folks. We charged them, indicted them, prosecuted them, hauled them into court, and whatever sentences they were given belongs to the court. But when you say that I gave someone a sentence for one day, that is a categorical lie. Are you concerned, Attorney General Wilson, about the fact that the elbows have gotten sharp, the mudslinging has really come out of the gate? Is that bad for South Carolina politics?

Because by all accounts, the next governor will be a Republican, and because it's a very red state and a very conservative state, are you concerned that this kind of mudslinging this early on is bad for the state? Griff, I believe most people in South Carolina see the candidates that act like that for who they are, that they're provocateurs. They're just trying to get clicks. They're more interested in being reality T V stars than being public servants. I think I give the people of South Carolina far more credit.

And, Griff, in my nearly 30 years of military service, I've served a combat tour in Iraq. I've led soldiers in combat. I've actually put my life on the line, made life and death decisions. When I think about running a political campaign and people saying mean things about me, it pales in comparison to what I've experienced and what I have seen by soldiers serving our country overseas.

So no, it doesn't concern me in the sense that, yes, Politics is a contact sport. People are going to say mean and hateful things. They're going to lie about you because they don't have a lot to run on themselves. But that's par for the course. We're going to talk about what we're going to do for South Carolina.

We're going to give people something to look for, not something to be against. And I'm incredibly proud. That's why the polls are right now, the polls have me leading in a five-way race. And that's probably one of the reasons the individual whose clips you keep playing keeps attacking me. And I guess as long as I'm out front, she's going to keep attacking me.

So I guess I'm relevant. Uh you know, I s she spends a lot more time thinking about me than I do thinking about her, I'll tell you that. Let's talk about what Allen Wilson wants to do for South Carolina. What's the agenda? What are your issues?

And where do you see things going?

Well, Greg, first off, South Carolina sits nestled in the middle of the Southeast region of the United States. It's a region. It's the fastest growing region in the country. People are moving there because of its climate and its economic potential. But when you look around the southeast, you look at states like Texas, Tennessee, Florida, who have all gone to zero income tax.

And then you look at other five Eastern states like Mississippi, going as high up north as Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, and as far west as Oklahoma have all passed laws to go to zero percent income tax. Georgia and North Carolina have cut their taxes, as are Louisiana and Arkansas.

South Carolina needs to compete. And we're going to the first thing I'm going to do as the governor of South Carolina is lead the effort to cut our income tax to zero. We're going to doge, to borrow that term from President Trump, we're going to doge Our state government. We're going to do everything we can to support the President and his agenda for not just for America, but for South Carolina in removing illegal aliens who are here committing crimes. We're going to put South Carolina first, and we're going to make it from good to great.

And these are things I'm really excited to do when I become governor. And you know, I've heard and read a little bit about the the race down there, and it seems that infrastructure and energy independence also may be on on the menu. No, absolutely. Energy and infrastructure are absolutely top of the list. And again, we have we're hemorrhaging a lot of money in a lot of our state agencies, and we're going to deter that fraud, waste and abuse and redirect that money to where it should go to education and to building our infrastructure and our energy grid.

And we're going to be rolling out plans in the coming weeks for that. And Griff, I just want to go back to one other thing. Public safety is a core function of government, no matter what state you're in. And in South Carolina, publics keeping people safe has been a priority for me since the day I took office 14 years ago. I want to say that since I've announced six weeks ago, half of the sheriffs in the state have come out for me.

Twenty-three sheriffs out of forty-six have endorsed my candidacy for governor, including every single sheriff in Nancy Mesa's congressional district, has endorsed me. That's five sheriffs who've endorsed me. And so when it comes to keeping people safe, The citizens of the first congressional district as well as all of South Carolina know which candidate for governor they can trust to keep them safe because their law enforcement leadership trusts me as well.

Well, and it's amazing, Mr. Attorney General, that you still have so many Democrats, and I know Congresswoman Nancy Maces is a Republican, but so many Democrats in other places are continuing to double down on the anti-ICE rhetoric in supporting sanctuary jurisdictions where they protect illegal criminal aliens committing just heinous crimes from murder to child rape and you name it. And so do you see then you feel like even though in a conservative state like South Carolina, there still needs to be a real focus on law enforcement and supporting law enforcement? Absolutely. And listen, the vast majority of our law enforcement leaders in South Carolina are pro-law enforcement.

They're going to be supporting our immigration efforts here in South Carolina. When Joe Biden left office, we had three sheriff's departments that were members of the two hundred eighty seven G program. That's a program that allows local law enforcement to support federal law enforcement ICE agents in performing limited immigration law enforcement functions. And we've gone from three law enforcement agencies to, I believe, roughly 30 law enforcement agencies in South Carolina who have signed up. And that was a program that I promoted back in January after the president took office.

And I traveled the state and I met with law enforcement leaders and I asked them to sign up for this program. And they were just waiting for a president who would enforce the law to be in office. And now they're lining up in droves to sign up to support ICE functions here in South Carolina.

So we're getting it done. We've got a long way to go, but we've come a long way since January 20th.

Well, we certainly look forward to finding the campaign and seeing where it goes. And hopefully the mudslinging can calm down a little bit and hear from all the candidates. But hearing from you today, South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson, thank you for taking time. Good luck on the campaign. Thanks, Chris.

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The great Brian Killmead out, hopefully on vacation, doing something fun. This is your humble reporter from DC, Griff Jenkins, filling in for Brian. And it is: I am a kid in a candy store for a child that began radio working with Oliver North, the Coven Since radio with Ollie North in the mid-90s, and then later starting the great, late Tony Snow's radio show here at Fox News on Fox News Radio, getting in to fill in for Brian, who has proven not only is he a legendary morning TV host, but also a great radio host as well.

Now, the number three show, according to Talkers magazine, in the country. And, you know, to get back to my radio roots is so special when you can have the time to not only interview lawmakers like Attorney General Alan Wilson, who's running neck to neck in this race that's getting dirty, mud slinging, fast and furious between Wilson and Congresswoman Nancy Mace, who just. Just announced this week, throwing all sorts of slings and arrows at him. It's going to go back and forth. But on radio, you have the window to sort of talk a little bit more of what happened.

It's not the tight 90 seconds on television where you've got to move things quickly.

So let me regale you with a little insight. What I think is so fascinating about this race is that they're running to replace Governor Henry McMaster, who's been very famous. But for those of us that go back all The way to 2016, when I was covering politics on the campaign trail, I remember that when President Trump had proven, he came down that golden escalator, then he goes out to Iowa and up to New Hampshire, and all of a sudden, people are thinking, well, maybe. He's got some momentum. He wasn't winning those, but he was showing that he was more than a novelty in the race.

But it was a lieutenant governor, not that well known then, named Henry McMaster, who went out to the tarmac when the primaries got to South Carolina. And he walked out there, met then-candidate Donald Trump on the tarmac as he got off the plane, introduced him at the first Trump event, and all of the sudden. Trump had the first sitting, you know, government high-ranking official, in this case, the South Carolina lieutenant governor. And it really changed the trajectory of how a guy like that was rising. And McMaster, of course, has now become a very successful governor.

But now, with Wilson and Mace and all the others in the race, they're going to have to appeal to South Carolinians and the voters and the issues that matter to them. But they're also going to get, they're going to have to be the MAGA candidate. There's no way around it because now President Trump, who has such a history in South Carolina, it's going to be a fight, I think, between Wilson and Mace to see who can get the blessing of now second-term President Donald J. Trump. And by the way, we're going to talk a little bit more about something he's weighing in on this week.

You saw yesterday President Trump weighing in on these runaways. Texas Democrats. Cut four. You notice they go to Illinois for safety, but that's all gerrymandered. California's gerrymandered.

We should have many more seats in Congress in California. It's all gerrymandered. And we have an opportunity in Texas to pick up five seats. And, you know, gerrymandering is not a new thing. It goes back to 1812, and both sides do it, to be fair, both Republicans and Democrats.

But right now, with Democrats fleeing the state because they don't want to stay and do their job, we're going to talk about that with Rich Lowry, the great editor of National Review. He's got a piece on this. You don't want to miss it. I'm Griff Jenkins, filling in for the Brian Killmead Show. We'll be back.

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I will liken this to the Holocaust. People are like, well, how did the Holocaust happen? How is somebody in a position to kill all them people?

Well, good people remain silent. More good people didn't realize that what happens to them can very soon happen to me as somebody I love. I'm Griff Jenkins, filling in for Brian Kilmead on the Brian Kilmead show, and that was Yolanda Jones, the Texas Democrat state representative, one of the runaway Democrats, making just an outrageous comparison on the Don Lemon show. She's since tried to walk that back a little bit, but just unbelievable words.

So we figured we would check in with my friend and one of the smartest guys I've known in my career in Washington. That's Rich Lowry, the editor of the National Review, author of the book, The Case for Nationalism: A Great Raid. Rich, this runaway Democrat story is crazy, but that comment from Yolanda Jones, we talked about that this morning on Fox and Friends. And now I want to pick it up with you because you hear. Just over the top stuff like that, and you think these people aren't even serious.

Yeah, they have a Nazi obsession, right? It's bizarre and on the verge of being a mental illness. ICE is the Gestapo, and somehow redistricting is going to lead to the killing of millions of people in America.

So I'm not sure mid-decade redistricting is a good idea, but Texas is just doing what Illinois and California and Maryland have already done. And that's one of the ironies, Grip, of the Democratic threat that they're going to retaliate. They're going to have to gerrymander states that have already been gerrymandered. It's hard to gerrymander Illinois any more than it already is, but that's what Pritzker says he's going to do.

Well, that's right. And you've got a piece out. Democrat Italian, Texas redistrict push should take a look in the mirror. And you go into sort of the 13th congressional district and how absurd it was. I thought it was fascinating.

Even when Governor Pritzker, and by the way, just so everyone's clear. Illinois Governor Jimmy Pritzker began conspiring with Texas Democrats about this and talking to them about a plan well before we saw this. This wasn't a last-minute thing that happened. This was planned because the Democrats knew Republicans were looking to do this. And for all accounts, we don't know this for a fact.

I haven't seen the video, but Pritzker is likely putting them up at Pritzker Hotels. He made all his money by founding Hyatt Hotels. And he's giving them, obviously, shelter and support there in a state where I think, what is it, three of 17 seats are Republican, the way it's been so gerrymandered there. Yet you see President Trump getting about 44% of the vote in the state.

So clearly there's a math problem in terms of, you know, properly representing the voters of Illinois. But Pritzker goes on Colbert, and even Colbert, who has had nothing but 100% liberal guests. Since two weeks ago, he was announced his show is being canceled.

So he's sticking to the far left thing, but yet he was willing to hold up a map of districts like the 13th and say, What the heck is going on here? Here, I want you to listen to this, Rich. Here's a cut from that cut nine when Pritzker and Colbert were talking about it on the show. If you're considering doing a little more redrawing in Illinois, you already have some crazy districts in Illinois. Take a look at this.

Look at 17 here, it does that. Then it comes up here and it sneaks. Around there and goes all the way up here and then goes right over there, like that. And look at this one, kind of go whoop up there. It's like the stinger on a scorpion down here.

Is this common for all states to do? We hand it over to a kindergarten class and let them decide.

Okay. And that's the not that's the non-partisan group that does this. Absolutely. That's our independent commission. You know, that is, yeah.

I mean, look.

So because all.

So then Colbert jumps in there, Rich, and saves him. But that when he was talking about the Scorpion one, I think he's talking about that 13th district that you wrote about. Explain. Yeah, the 13th district is I'm a big fan of the movie, The Blues Brothers. It's just like a Blues Brothers road trip rather than a congressional district.

It starts in East St. Louis, then heads 90 miles north to Springfield, home of the great Abraham Lincoln, and then all of a sudden takes an 80-mile turn to the east to get Champaign. And all they're doing is East St. Louis, Democratic voters, Springfield, the capital, government workers, and then they go over to Champaign to get the university there.

So they're just gathering up these disparate groups of Democrats within a Republican district.

So rationally drawn lines would this would have been a Republican district. But they eliminated two Republican districts. They did have 18 seats. They lost one in the census because no one wants to live in places like Illinois anymore. And then they eliminated two Republican seats.

So they went from 13 Democratic split to 14.3. And Prisker, I guess, wants to eliminate all those Republican districts. And so what do you see as, I mean, you know, we've seen, obviously, Governor Abbott. Saying that he wants to look to possibly remove some of these lawmakers, vacate them from office. If they don't come back, you've seen now Senator John Cornyn weigh in on wanting to get the FBI involved.

President Trump didn't walk away from that, saying, well, maybe that's the case. What do you think is the recourse here? I think that they always end up going home because no one likes living in a holiday in Express for like a month. You've left your job. You're not with your family.

Your constituents don't like it. And I think their margins are really slim. If just one or two decide I'm going home, then there'll be a quorum.

So I expect Republicans to get the quorum in Texas to do this. And then the next question is how much Democrats can retaliate. Gavin Newsom seems really serious about doing it. in California, where it'd be relatively easy to squeeze another five seats away from Republicans. That takes a lot of exertions.

I think they'd have to actually change the Constitution to do it in California. But he's talking about a ballot measure in November.

So I think we'll see just a race to do this everywhere in Democratic and Republican states. We may ironically end up a wash where it's basically even and Republicans got to protect two or three states. To protect the majority next year. Let the record show Rich Lowry and Griff Jenkins coined this phrase you're about to hear a whole heck of a lot about, and that is retaliatory gerrymandering. As soon as that comes out of our mouth, and I'm with you, I don't know if California can do it.

But, you know, it's worth pointing out, and Governor Greg Abbott on Hannity pointed this out: that they're not just running from the gerrymandering issue. This is a state legislature in session right now because they've got serious other issues to deal with, namely, in nothing more raw and pressing than dealing with the Texas flooding in the Texas Hill Country. Here was Governor Abbott, he mentioned that on Hannity here on Cut 6. Listen. Democrats are freaking out because they are realizing Texas has the authority to redistrict.

They turn and run away, not just from this redistricting fight, they ran away from dealing with the flooding issues that are still echoing across the Kerrville area. Does that become a problem, Rich, for even these Democrats who have obviously constituents in some of their districts that may have been impacted by this? Yeah. Yes. Obviously, another point of political leverage.

And Republicans are using every mechanism they have to pressure these Democrats, talking about fines, talking about criminal liability. I think they're going to rack up, the estimate is maybe $3.2 million worth of fines. And then they're saying you can't have anyone else pay for it because that could be a quid pro quo. Because Better O'Rooks group down there has been funding this flight so far.

So I think some Democrats will crack certainly enough to get a quorum. And one way or the other, Republicans are going to prevail here. And they don't need very many.

Now, I do want to get in because the runaway Democrat story is continuing to expand beyond Illinois.

Now, a handful of them fled to the great state of Massachusetts. Governor Mora Healy up in Boston is wanting to get. Give shelter and help out, just like Pritzker is doing. Here is a little bit of what Governor Healy says about what she believes Republicans are trying to do. Cut 10.

Listen here. This is, to be really clear about it. A partisan Craven Political power grab attempt. By the President of the United States, Governor Greg Abbott? and A.

G. Paxton. That's what this is. Quite simple. And it's done to further An agenda that's about protecting them and their power, and the president's perception of power.

It's outrageous. And it impacts all of us across this country.

So now Governor Healy is harboring in Massachusetts not only illegal aliens, but also abdicating Texas state lawmakers. It's a real sanctuary state in all respects now. Not just illegal immigrants, but fleeing Democrats. Look, this is a power move in Texas, obviously, with an eye to the midterm elections. But if this map were to go through, they would have a partisan skew totally on par with what California has and what Illinois has.

In California, about 40% of folks vote Republican in congressional elections, and Republicans win about 17% of the seats. If this goes through, that will be That'll be the case in Texas for Democrats. They'll win about 40% of the vote, if all things are equal, and win about 17% of the seats.

So, again, I don't like this mid-decade redistricting, but you can't, Gavin Newsom and Pritzker and all these other Democrats can't complain about when they've already done it. Yeah, and I want to just get you on record a little more about that because it's fascinating.

So, what you're saying about just so our listeners understand, I mean, when you mention gerrymandering and redistricting, you know, most people don't pay much attention. Obviously, this one has gotten a lot of attention because you've got these some 50 Texas Democrats on the lamb. But. When you mentioned that you're not a huge fan of mid-decade redistricting, we're referring to this is traditionally done every 10 years after a census. And we got one Republican, California congressman, Kevin Kiley, that's been out there and pushing his idea to have Congress weigh in and say, look, both people do it.

Both Republicans and Democrats are doing this. It's not good for the system. And so we're going to essentially say you can't do a mid-decade redistricting reset. You've got to stick to only every 10 years. And it would be a federal thing for all states.

It would have to play ball. What do you say? Yeah, I think that's a good idea in theory. I haven't kicked the tires on whether that's totally constitutional, but assuming it is, I think that'd be a good idea. Seems unlikely to happen, right?

Because Republicans wouldn't want to do that right now. And then when Democrats have power again, they're not going to want to do it either.

So it seems unlikely. And the other thing that's going on here, Griff, is that the census was totally screwed up and undercounted Republican states like Florida and Texas, where if there had been an accurate count, this would be less of an issue, right? Or there would have been a little doubt that Trump was going to win in 2024.

So the census is a core federal responsibility. It goes back to the beginning of the Republic, and that it was screwed up so badly is scandalous. Yeah, it really is. And, you know, this whole push from the Democrat Party saying, we're going to fight fire with fire.

Well, guess what? You know, they're going to be doing exactly the same thing the very first chance that they get. And I'm Obviously, if we see retaliatory redistricting, that is something that is probably a very real thing right now. How do you see this playing out and impacting as we head to the midterms? I think everyone's going to do it, would be my guess.

I think it's a little easier for Republicans to do it, and there's a little more juice for them to squeeze out of the lemon.

So maybe they end up slightly advantaged, couple seats, which could make a difference. But I think it's a bad idea to go to a situation where there are only Republican congressmen from red states and only Democratic congressmen from blue states. Because these states, a lot of them, are big, diverse places, right? And there are a lot of blue areas in Texas and the reddish areas in California. And it's a good idea how to have more competition rather than less in these congressional seats.

And the other thing that's good about just doing it once a decade and a kind of regular schedule is things can kind of change.

So you think your lines are real clever and they're going to help you. And then there's a demographic shift. And six or eight years later, it doesn't look like your lines are so great.

So I think that's better than just like drawing them every two years right in front of a congressional election. Absolutely. And, you know, let's if we were going to bet a beer, Rich, if you had to put an over-under on how long these Texas Democrats hold out, what do you think? A couple more days, another week, more than two weeks? I would say, I would say none of them, I say they unanimously stay away for about at least another week.

But then I begin to look for one or two to flake off. And as we've discussed, that's all they need. That's all they need, a handful, and they can change things. Rich Lowry, editor of National Review, always great to get your very good insight on these things, and we'll see where it goes. He's the author of The Case for Nationalism, a great book.

Rich, thanks for taking time, man. Thanks so much, Griff. Talk soon. All right. This is Griff Jenkins, your humble D.C.

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Bring the fire, bring the heat. This is not the Democratic Party of your grandfather, right? What which would bring a pencil to a knife fight? We're bringing a knife to a knife fight. This is an all-out war.

And everything is on the table. All right, all right, it's just a flesh wound. I'm okay. Come back and fight, Jim Pansy. A little bit of Monty Python tough talk from Texas state legislators that have run away from Texas because they don't like the Republicans redistricting, forgetting that they have other important business to do, like getting emergency flood assistance in Texas.

This is Griff Jenkins filling in for the great Brian Kilmead show. It's so much fun. You know, just. Listen, as the guy in the 90s that ran the board, I was the board operator producer for Oliver North. And hearing Eric pick the right music with the right stinger and the right sound bite, I'm jealous.

I want to be on that side of the glass. Although I am so honored and privileged to be sitting on this side today to bring you the insanity of our news cycle. And we'll see. Listen, the Democrats have a legitimate claim they believe that they're doing something important. Whether or not their constituents will agree, we'll find out.

And as our last guest, Rich Lowry, editor for the National Review, rightly points out, there's probably an expiration date of shelf life for just how long they can live on the continental breakfasts at Pritzkers Hotels and how long they realize that they should stop acting.

So perhaps childish might be the word one might use to abdicate from their duties of getting actual legislation done. I just want to quickly play a little bit of insight on this point, though. And that is the great one, Mark Levin on Special Report with Brett, talking about this whole issue, Cut 13. Check it out. I looked at some of these states.

In California, they have 43 Democrat representatives and nine Republicans. In Illinois, they have 14 Democrats and three Republicans. In Maryland, they have seven Democrats and one Republican. In New York, they have 19 Democrats and seven Republicans. They've already gerrymandered their states.

And even more than that, people forget in 2020, the Census Bureau confessed that it made a number of errors that cost the Republicans additional seats, up to five seats. Florida was supposed to get two more. Texas was supposed to get another one and so forth. And there, Mark Levin really being the great scorekeeper. And as Rich Lowry and I were pointing out, listen, both sides do this.

You're likely to see them keep doing it. But whether or not any sort of changes come with some sort of effort by Congress to say you can only do it once every 10 years, gerrymandering, redistricting is not going away. And neither am I, Griff Jenkins on the Brian Kilmead Show. Stick with us. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show.

Brian In Kill Mead. Not just the fastest-growing radio show, the best radio show in the country. In fact, the third most powerful, according to Michael Harrison's Talkers Magazine. And I know a little something about Talkers Magazine as the guy that used to produce radio in the 90s and early 2000s. This is your humble DC correspondent, Griff Jenkins, filling in for Brian Kilmead on the Brian Kilmead show.

Such an honor. Anytime I get to sit in this seat and be in front of the microphone, trying to keep you, our great listeners, entertained. Because, as the kid that used to sit on the other side of the glass, like Eric does right now, pushing those buttons, you know, I started in the 90s with Ollie North and radio, and then in the early 2000s, with the great late Tony Snow. And now here I am. And what a treat it is because I'm sitting in the studio with New Hampshire's 82nd governor, Chris Sununu.

Governor, it is so cool to have you here. This is terrific. And we were just fooled to. Disclosure to our listeners, Governor Sununu said, Do you like doing this? I've gotten to fill in and host some shows.

I said, Brother, I love it.

Well, you're great at it. And I'll just say this: I don't care if Brian's listening. You have better hair and you are very well dressed for a radio guy. You are knocking it out of the park. I walked in without a tie on and I felt like I was going to get kicked out of the fancy restaurant.

Governor, I'm only looking sharp on radio because I was doing the full Killmead experience, doing Fox and Friends for three hours, run up with less than five minutes to spare, jump in and do three hours of radio. I don't know how Brian Killmead does this. It's the Killmead decathlon. He's literally, it's like the Killmead challenge. And I run marathons.

I've run more than a dozen plus marathons. I've done Iron Man triathlons. Nothing compares to the Killmead experience. It's a grind. And he does it every day.

Every day. And he's Mr. Smiley, right? Yeah. He doesn't do it with Grumpy.

I mean, I don't know what the guy gets paid, but I hope Fox is paying him for goodness sakes. I would hope so because he's awesome. Always doing something. I wonder if he does bitch and moan ever. We have to get the scoop from his producers back there who are cringing right now.

Like, we're not telling Griff anything. But no, he's such a positive guy. And I imagine actually he's happy and smiling and enjoying it every day because he gets to have people like you come in and sit in the studio. It's a great honor to have you. There's so many things, Governor.

I'd love to ask you about. But the first thing I have to ask you is: have any Texas Democrats shown up in your state yet seeking refuge? No, we have toll booths for that. That's how we screen people from coming over the state. They're in Massachusetts.

Either you believe in the live-free or die spirit or we send you right back to Massachusetts, New York, and apparently now the Democrats. No, so no, we haven't had any of those sightings. I think they're as silly as I think what they're doing is. I think they're smarter than to try to come to New Hampshire with that kind of nonsense. But yeah, yeah, what they're doing is silly.

I mean, are we going to set a precedent where every time you're going to lose a vote, it could be a big vote, a passionate vote, you're. Run away? Are that what we're going to start doing all over the country now?

So, as a former governor, I'm always concerned about precedents, right? Are we, at some point, are the Democrats going to get in control and do something that maybe we don't, that maybe we, you know, some gamesmanship the Republicans tried, or vice versa? And what we see now is the Democrats, you know, running away from the process. Look, I, I, I'm, I'm. Maybe your audience will disagree with me.

I don't like any of this. I don't like redistricting in 2025. I don't think it's necessary. They're going to control the process in 2030. They'll get the seats there.

If someone said, look, these five new seats that you could get in Texas are going to be the game changer, and Congress is really going to have a major turnaround and we're going to get a lot more stuff done in the next couple years. I don't really see that myself.

So I don't know. I just always get nervous about the precedent. You see now the. And what are they doing, right? They're all making money off of it, right?

These Democrats are running to Chicago with all this fake outrage. They're fighting for the Constitution and all this kind of nonsense, and they're going to make money off of it. And so it's. It's showmanship more than anything. And as somebody who was like in this business for a long time, just trying to bust their ass and get stuff done, I don't like it.

It's so fascinating. And I talked a little bit with Rich Lowry, the editor of the National Review, about this idea of doing away with mid-decade gerrymandering, redistricting, just saying, you know, can as this one Congressman Kevin Kiley of California wants, he's a Republican, wants this bill to have Congress basically say to all the states, like, you can't do it but once every 10 years, which is when it's done because that's precisely of the census. But you support that. Oh, very much so. Yeah, because otherwise, as soon as you crack it with it not being every 10 years, as soon as you crack that window a little bit, then some states will say, Well, we do it every 10 years, but maybe we'll start doing it every five years.

And then, you know what?

Well, why don't we just do it every two years? Why not? I mean, what's the difference between five and two? And then it's flipping around. And at the end of the day, what's the net result?

Couple things. I hate gerrymandering. I hope most people should hate it. It doesn't really work fundamentally. I just do.

It tells, let's say you're in a strong Republican district.

Well, if you're a Democrat, you know, you figure, well, I'm not going to run for office, or maybe Republicans don't come out to vote because they figure, you know, we got this thing wrapped up anyways. Down the ticket, it disenfranchises people from participating in the process. The campaigns become weaker because they're not as tough of campaigns. I believe that good, tough campaigns brings the level of your entire district up. And it's great if they're all slightly Republican because I'm a strong Republican and I want Republicans to win.

But I always want a good campaign to happen, right? Because that gets everybody involved in the process. It actually, believe it or not, pulls you away from the social media and the polarization and the extremism by getting a campaign with lots of different points of view and different pieces of information. You have it out. Everyone goes out and votes.

You want a high voter turnout. Gerrymandering crushes voter turnout.

So things like that, I get very nervous about the process. Their short-term results can be great, but the process can be really hurt. Yeah, Governor, you make such a great point because there's such richness in the fact that Texas Democrats fled to. Illinois because it's one of the heaviest Democrat gerrymandered states where you've got essentially only three out of 17 House seats are Republicans, but yet we saw Trump with 44% of the vote in Illinois. Illinois, the poster child for this.

To your point, it's not these redistricting gerrymandered districts are not representative of the will of the voters. They're really not. They're really not. Now, again, and again, we have a red district in New Hampshire that's currently held by a Democrat. I think we're going to win it back.

I don't like that. But, you know, if he was the. For lack of a better term, I guess Better candidate in in certain years and there's all these other external factors that come and it kind of stinks sometimes.

So, again, you don't want to create a process where the entire country is locked up. I mean, if every state gerrymanders, right, then there's no more there's no more campaigns. Right? I mean, just the primary is the campaign and then you're done. And the general election, you you mail it in.

I I think most people would agree that's not a healthy process, right?

So I'm a big believer that Republicans are we're right on most issues, we're smarter on most issues, we have you know The ability to talk about what we're doing, why we're doing it, for practical reasons, spending, you know, fiscally responsible, at least at the state level, not the federal level, but at least at the state level is fiscally responsible. And we win for the right reasons, right? As opposed to Democrats that just kind of tug on heartstrings sometimes, they get very emotional, they get people charged up, and that's really how they tend to win.

So I think we can win a lot of these races. I would love to see every district complete in the country completely purple. Because I think Republicans would be crushing it, right? Because they're right on the issues. They're right on the border.

God knows I had years of standing down there on the border from Texas to California watching thousands come across.

Now we have record numbers. We're third straight month, Governor, without a single illegal alien being released in the country compared to the thousands. You had the lowest nationwide apprehensions in history last month or July preliminary numbers, 24,000, compared to the month of December in 2023 under Joe Biden. There were 249,000. Remarkable status.

It's incredible. And that leads to public safety. And that leads to community involvement and safety in your schools and your kids being more safe. I mean, the drugs, the human trafficking. I mean, that one issue that he's been, that Trump has just crushed it on.

Has such reverberating effects in our everyday lives. Yet, Democrats are not learning that lesson. Every day, there's another case of some Democrat lawmaker or politician calling ICE Nazis or Gestapo. And that brings me to what's happening here in New York City. It looks very much, Governor, like the people of New York City are about to elect a self-avowed socialist that most say are a straight-up communist.

That's how far left he is. And Zoran Momdani won the primary. And you've got so many people between Cuomo Adams, Curtis Sleewa. It looks like maybe just by the math, Mom Dani has enough to win. You know, he has had so many statements about defunding the police, wanting the SRG, the literally strategic force that responded to the shooting we had here just a few days ago in New York City.

He now is trying. To walk that back. And we just had him reacting to new crime numbers here in New York City, even though the city seems a little dirtier for you walk around than normally. The crime numbers are actually coming down. And Mayor Adams has been touting that.

Here is what Mom Dunny had to say in responding to those numbers: cut 15. Listen here. I'm thankful for the reduction in crime across our city and also to see it as part of nationwide trends where we're seeing much of the same and the knowledge that. We still have more work to do. It's important to celebrate that which has been done, that which has been achieved, and also know that.

We continue to strive for a city. That is free. from the kinds of mass shootings that we saw last week that is free from the violence that still afflicts far too many New Yorkers. And yet, Governor, he still wants to have these, you know, therapists or mental shrinks show up to deal with the criminals, not actual law enforcement. I tell you what, look, I tease New York a lot.

Being from New Hampshire to live here, I stayed the greatest state in the country, the whole nine yards. You come to a place like New York, and you're right, by the way, it smells. I mean, this city, I was staying in Times Square, not too far from here, and the drugs, the homelessness, the smells, how disgusting the streets are. It's really kind of at an all-time high.

Now, A guy like Mam Mamdani, just look at the model. America. If you elect people like this, it only gets worse. Crime goes up, homelessness goes up, drug use goes up because they don't want to do any sort of enforcement. In the name of social justice, we're not going to enforce the law.

That's the worst thing you could do for a city that, under what he just said, was, you know, we're improving the crime rate. That's going to get completely reversed. And then you sent a message, by the way, to the rest of the country that if you want that kind of lawlessness and if you want a place where safety is no longer a priority and cops aren't their party, come. And so, what do you get? You get that element coming in, and you get folks that, you know, at least that have the means leaving.

And everyone else, everyone in the middle, is just stuck with a crappy city. You're so right, by the way. The Momdani effect is already spreading because you're seeing socialists out to Minneapolis with the very far left socialist candidate Omar Fatah running for mayor, likely going to possibly win there. And then we just got the results with Katie Wilson out in Seattle, the socialist candidate there challenging the incumbent mayor. Looks like she may actually have a shot at winning.

Came out in the two-way race a few points ahead. This isn't just isolated to New York City. That's right. And, you know, I always say, hey, the best thing that could happen to the Republican Party is Momdani gets elected, and it will be a disaster, and it'll be strong for us in 26. It's a message.

What Momdani will do is keep run-of-the-mill Democrats home. They'll say, and the financing, right? All these big donors, they're saying, we're not donating to a Democrat Party that's run by AOC and Momdani. All that money will stay back.

So politically speaking, in the short term, it's probably good for Republicans if something like this were to happen. But this is America, and we should want all of our cities to be super successful. This is America. America's biggest city.

So, what do we do, Griff? What are we doing? Are we all voting for Andrew Cuomo? Is that what's happening? I can't believe I'm saying it, but we're going to solve that on the other side of a break.

Can you stay with me for a second? I'll stay all day long. All right, former New Hampshire Governor Chris Nunu in the studio on the Brian Kilmead show. I'm Griff Jenkins filling in. We'll be right back.

Coming to you on a need-to-know basis, because man, do you need to know? It's Brian Kilmead. Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Show. All aboard the Zoron Mom Dani train.

It's going to be a party. You're going to love it.

Socialist leftist policies. I'm Griff Jenkins, filling in for Brian Kilman on the Brian Kilmean Show, joined by New Hampshire's former governor, Chris Sununu. The Momdani train. I mean, that's what. Literally, I was listening, Governor, the other day to Central Elizabeth Warren selling it like it's going to be a party.

Here, listen to this: Cut 18. I'm here because affordability. is the central issue all over this country. And New York City is proof of that. When someone stands up and says, I will lead this city.

By making it more affordable. And here are my plans. For me, New York City is the place. To start the conversation for Democrats on how affordability is the central issue, the central reason to be a Democrat. Let me translate that for you, Governor.

I'm Elizabeth Warren, and socialism starts today in New York City, coming to a city near you. I mean, for them to talk about affordability when they don't understand, I mean, Economics 101. The more you spend, the more inflation rises, the less things become affordable. And that's the same line that every previous Democrat mayor in this city has given for decades and decades here. They've really done nothing about it.

It's still insanely unaffordable, as are all the Democrat-run cities, right? I mean, affordability, you want affordability, go to Miami. It's actually very affordable. It's in a place like Florida. You know, it's got a good mayor.

They actually, they work hard to kind of keep their costs under control. There's a lot of affordable places, and New York ain't one. And this guy is just going to take it into such a different direction. The more the government gets involved, quality goes down, costs go up, people leave. The more people leave, the more the people that stay have to actually pay taxes to pay for these services for all the homelessness and immigration issues that are coming in to the tune of billions in the city.

Billions, not millions, but billions. And you think a guy like Mamdani can control those costs and understand the economics? Not for two seconds. Are we headed towards the socialist experiment in London? Doesn't seem to be faring very well.

It's awful. I mean, I hear from folks in London. I think maybe you have as well. Every story I hear is what is happening to this place because it's. It's socialism.

It's to a degree where it's not working. And look, it's okay to try things. I'm an engineer. I'm all for trying things, especially in government. I tried a lot of things.

But when something doesn't work, you're going to say, hey, guys, we tried something, it didn't work. But we created flexibility in the system. We're going to pivot. These guys have no will or sense to pivot. I mean, what you see in London is they're just plowing ahead.

Like everything else be damned. We're plowing ahead with this socialism. Folks are leaving the city. By the way, London is now, I think, the most expensive city in Europe. I mean, try, you want to see inflation.

Look at what has happened over there. It's out of control. It's what's going to happen to New York. And New York's a great city, and the people are wonderful, and they deserve so much better.

So we go back to the question we had as we were going into commercial. What do we do? Andrew Cuomo. I think so. I think, I mean, I like Mayor Adams.

You know, personally, we've always kind of gotten along. I don't think he was obviously the best mayor. But at this point, you have to consolidate behind someone. Otherwise, you just divide the rational vote and the socialist wins. And the city, you know, gets just further down the Momdani train.

Do you see the picture a couple weeks ago of the trains that flooded in New York City? Yeah. Yeah, that's the Momdani train right there. Right, literally, just flooding. No, it's such a great analogy.

And, you know, that sort of prospect of, okay, well, can Cuomo do it? Clearly, from name recognition and knowing, like, you know, New York City loves a comeback kid. I don't know if Adams, I don't know that anyone actually is going to drop out to give the other a shot to begin with. And that seems like where the math problem comes in. And New York's on this Mom Dani train that can't turn around.

Well, that's why I like, it's nice to visit. I hold my breath as long as I can before I can get out of here. I spend about a day or two. I do the business I got to do, and I get the heck back home to the live-free-your-die state.

Well, we are sure glad you came in here, and I had the honor, just happen to be sitting here, former New Hampshire governor. Don't give up the scene. Even when Brian comes back, you just hold on. You're doing great, man. I'll just be a squatter.

Governor, great to have you. I'm Griff Jenkins, filling in for. Brian Kilmead on the Brian Killmead Show. Man, have we got more lined up for you? Stick with us.

The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmead. Time flies when you are having fun. This is your humble D.C. correspondent, Griff Jenkins, getting to fill in for Brian Kilmead on the great Brian Kilmead show, having too much damn fun, that's for sure.

And, you know, as a guy that works in Washington, D.C., anytime I can have Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina sit down in studio with us, well, it just doesn't get any better than that. Senator, we're glad to have you. You've got a great new book out: One Nation Always Under God. Profiles in Christian Courage. It's so important.

We need to talk about that. But I do want to take an opportunity because, you know, as the reporter, that's my day job that I hadn't screwed up yet.

So I'm keeping doing that. And I think that one issue that we're going to be hearing a lot more about, Senator, in Washington is debanking. Yes. Now, this came up with, you know, the president and big firms like JPMorgan Chase and, you know, what President Trump. His experience with this is, but you're the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.

Right. And so I think if you could, like, what are we taught? What's going on here? What is debanking and where's this headed? Let's demystify this for the audience.

Back in the early 1960s and frankly beyond, there was something called redlining, where minorities were not allowed to have access to certain financial products because of the color of their skin. Today, that redlining is called debanking. But instead of it being a black or white issue, it is clearly a red or blue issue. It has become a partisan weapon. The liberals have weaponized.

The financial institutions in the same way they weaponized the Department of Justice against us parents coming to school board meetings, they called them domestic terrorists, same way that they had the uh law enforcement officers come into a pro-life man's house. This whole notion of weaponization is what you should think about when you think about debanking. It's just in the financial footprint. Choke point one zero was which was the first iteration of debanking was when the liberals running financial institutions and their proxies decided that if you were running a gun manufacturing company, They wouldn't Allow you to have a loan. If you were in the oil or gas business, they wouldn't allow you to have access to the financial institutions.

Now two point zero, ChokePoint two point zero, focused on individuals that were conservative and emerging industries like cryptocurrency, and they literally said We're gonna have a thing called reputational risk. We're going to use that as a weapon to stop you from having access to our banks because your reputation might risk our reputation.

So so to speak. And as a result, Melania Trump The bank. Cryptocurrency companies debate. And we saw just recently President of the United States Donald J. Trump.

Debanked. We've already passed legislation out of my committee because I saw this earlier this year and decided to act on it.

So I took a leadership position to pass something called the FIRM Act, which eliminates the regulator's use of the reputational risk. As a way of unbanking or de-banking someone. I wanted to get rid of that tool, and thankfully, I was able to work with the OCC. As well as the FDIC, two bank regulators to eliminate reputational risk from their playbook, making it easier for the Trumps. Cryptocurrency, oil and gas, gun manufacturers to be banked in America and to have access not only to an account, but to loans as well.

It's so great for you. And you laid it out so eloquently and in clear, understandable terms there, Senator Scott, because these regulators is exactly what your legislation goes after.

So much so that you had these big firms like J.P. Morgan Chase that blamed, like, oh, well, we're not unfairly sticking it to Donald J. Trump. Our hands were tied. The regulators did it.

And yet now J.P. Morgan and Chase and others are also saying, oh, we support the White House's effort and Senator's Scottish efforts. We'll see. That is the devil is in the details. We'll see where that goes.

Think about this. Think about how these same corporations, Bank of America, frankly, Delta Airlines, all lined up behind the Georgia. Opposing the Georgia election law that was changed because they said it was racist. Yeah. They didn't read the bill.

They literally didn't read the bill. I had them before my committee. I'm saying to myself, how? How can you say no to something you haven't read? And the biggest complaint coming out of the bill was whether or not a person standing in line to vote can get water from a partisan person.

You can get water. Yeah. Just not from someone who says, I'm a Democrat. Right. Unbelievable.

That was the primary complaint. And yet these. Large companies lined up behind a law against a law they didn't even read. We had the highest turnout of minority voters in Georgia in the history of the state. Wow.

We had polls to the souls to the polls on Sundays.

Souls to the polls. They had access that they had never had before, but they didn't read the bill. They just took the talking points. From the far left, and decided they didn't like something they hadn't even read. Unbelievable.

Well, listen, I want to get in the new book you got out: One Nation Always Under God, Profiles in Christian Courage. Your New York Times best-selling author now. Talk to me about why you wrote the book. If you think about where we are today, we've got candidates running around this country. Selling socialism.

Selling that somehow, someway, the government's coming to bail you out. My book, One Nation Always Under God. Isn't about socialism. It's actually about. Modern-day American Christians taking powerful stance, ordinary people achieving extraordinary outcomes because they feel called by God to respond to a crisis in our country.

This plays out. Throughout every single generation, we've had Americans. Praise the Lord for that. I think about the Green family in Hobby Lobby. We talk about how that struggle started and look where it is now.

We talk about Dorothea Dix, who looked at the state of affairs, state of play in the mental health institutions around the country during her time and saw how terrible the conditions were. She transformed how we saw mental health challenges and how we treated those who were suffering from mental illness. Her one stand an ordinary woman Feeling the call of God to do something extraordinary changed the way we deal with mental health issues. Then, and guess what? 100,000 Americans have lost their lives because of overdoses or fentanyl in the last 24 months.

We must continue to have ordinary people take that extraordinary position that changes the course of American history. It's the only thing that ever has. If you read my book, you can get it today at Amazon.com or wherever books are sold. One Nation Always Under God. You'll be inspired to do all that you can with your life to have a positive impact on the future of the greatest nation on the planet.

It's, you know, in One Nation Always Under God is the book. You can go to Amazon and get it. I would encourage everyone to do it. And I was looking at the book, and particularly, it's funny you mentioned Dorothea Dix's story, Profile and Courage. And I was looking at that, and you wonder, and not to take you into the pulpit here too quickly, but you know, once you sort of understand your faith and your calling, and for many, I think it was the case with many.

Once you have children, your life begins to change a little bit about how you view things. But it's ultimately, you know, the message from St. Pat's Cathedral. I went to Mass this past Sunday because they had me up here working on Fox and Friends on the weekend. And the homily was about understanding why God put us here.

It doesn't have anything to do with spending hours scrolling on your phone. And it doesn't have anything doing working, you know, 20 out of 24 hours always to put your career before your family. Absolutely. It's about finding your purpose. And then you, you know, when it's not unique to St.

Patrick's Cathedral here, it's all across the country. It's a fundamental Christian message in churches from coast to coast. And do you feel like Dorothea Dix's story and profiling courage really, you know, helps people to understand just how powerful that calling can be? I really do. I think that one of the The major lessons I took out of the book as I was doing the research for the book was that God has a purpose for every single person on the planet.

What a blessing. Jeremiah 1:5 reminds me that before Jeremiah was called to be a prophet here on earth, the Lord wove that into his heart. Before he was ever born, God knew he was going to be a prophet. He knew that he had hardwired him for that gift. You think about Romans 12:2, that we can know the perfect will of God.

Well How? By operating in the fullness of our experience as Christians. And when we do that, I believe that we spread his love, not by speaking about it, but by our actions. And what you find in the book, One Nation Always Under God, is the actions that these men and women took as a result of prayer and a faith-filled relationship with the Lord. It changed our military, it changed, obviously, our health care.

It changed education. It changed our country with a revival. Samuel Davies, the lessons of the book will tell you that God. Consistently uses ordinary people. Think about King David when he was just a shepherd boy.

The Lord seems to find just a run-of-the-mill person, but he can do amazing things. That's why I think the book is really exciting right now. We keep celebrating the wrong people doing the wrong things. Here's an opportunity by reading One Nation Always Under God to celebrate people doing the right things that will be measured through generations. Senator, just the last minute I got with you, I remember when you first came to Washington after you got elected and I had a chance to interview you, and now you've become such an important, powerful senator in Washington.

Is God done with you yet? I pray not. I'm still breathing, so my assumption is no. Here's the good news: he doesn't care about the title as much as he does the action. And I'm a big believer in James 2:17 that says, Faith without works is dead.

So, son, pray like it depends on me, but boy, get up and work like it depends on you. And so, I'm just trying to figure that out along the way, right? And so, I just look for ways to share his love and the passion I have for people. My life was changed by good, strong people across diverse communities who believed in me when I didn't believe in myself. And that's why I wrote the book.

And a great mom. No one, no one could deny I'm a mama's boy. I know that I'm not. I'm living your American dream, baby. I really am.

I'm living the dream, getting to fill in for Brian Kilmead on the Brian Kilmead Show. Senator Tim Scott, the book is One Nation Always Under God. Profiles and Christian Courage. You can get it on Amazon. Senator, thank you for taking time.

It was a great pleasure to have you in the studio. Thank you very much. It's been a lot of fun. All right, I'm Griff Jenkins on the Brian Kilmead Show. We'll be right back.

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You're with Brian Kilmead. Getting you talking about everything under the sun from politics to profiles in Christian courage. This is Griff Jenkins filling in for the Brian Kilmead Show, having a blast. Brian out. I'm trying to fill his shoes, but boy, it is so cool to be able to sit in this studio in New York City and have Senator Tim Scott come and sit down with us and talk about the issues of the day, whether it's debanking.

And he's the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.

So this is an issue that's going to play out. I may be in a couple weeks' time talking about that on Capitol Hill as a reporter. Who knows? But getting down to talk to him about his new book, One Nation Always Under God, is really fascinating because it's just a collection of profiles and Christian courage from, as he and I, you heard, we were just talking about Dorothea Dix, who revolutionized how America deals with mental health, but also going all the way back to abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison, who faced an angry mob. Trying to destroy his newspaper, his faith getting him through that, and Eddie Rickenbacher, an aging World War II ace pilot, who stepped up to command soldiers stranded in the Pacific in 1942.

I meant, by the way, to congratulate the senator on his one-year anniversary. He posting with his beautiful wife a happy anniversary to social media. I feel bad now I didn't do that. Gonna do that next time. And I also wanted to, it's amazing, you know, time really does fly when you're having fun here.

I wanted to ask him about President Trump was asked by our own Peter Doocy the question that many are wondering: which is, who will? President Trump hand the MAGA torch. Will he anoint his successor? President Trump, of course, has said he's not looking to run for a third term, and there's the issue of the fact that the Constitution doesn't allow him to do that. But who would he pass the torch to?

Would it be JD Vance, his Vice President, or maybe someone else. Here is President Trump at the White House talking with our colleague Peter Ducey. Cut twenty four. You said this morning that you probably won't be running for a third term. This weekend, Secretary of State Rubio said that he thought J.D.

Vance would be a great nominee. You could clear the entire Republican field right now. Do you agree that the heir apparent to MAGA? Is J.D. Vance?

Well, I think most likely, in all fairness, he's the vice president. I think Marco is also somebody that maybe would get together with J.D. in some form. I also think we have incredible people, some of the people on the stage right here.

So it's too early, obviously, to talk about it. But certainly he's doing a great job and he would be probably favored at this point. And that is what I had hoped I would have remembered to play for Senator Tim Scott to say, okay, what do you make of it? Is it Vice President Vance? It's going to be anointed.

And what is President Trump? Let's try and decipher that a little bit now. Of course, Senator Scott was at one point in the primary running for president way back when. He understands a little bit of how this works. And I think President Trump obviously did say the most important part out there, which is it's way too early.

It's way too early out there. But, you know, I think that, you know, the fact that President Trump, and it's not an opinion, I'm just sort of making an observation. That President Trump mentioned Marco Rubio's name so quickly in the same breath as the obvious heir apparent J.D. Vance is very telling. At the very least, it just suggests that we've come a long way from the campaign days of Trump calling.

Senator Rubio Little Marco, now he is a Secretary of State, among other things, doing remarkable things, delivering actual results. And you see, you know, him going after not only dealing with major international issues, but also now they're taking a look at the international visas at Harvard and other areas and just taking on an awful lot of responsibility. Who knows? Would they work together, as President Trump was sort of hinting at there? I'm not sure that one ticket has got enough space for two men with tremendous egos, if we're being honest about it.

And, you know, would one want the other on the ticket as the running mate in a situation where one might overshadow the other? I don't know. I don't know. Who knows? But one thing I can tell you as another observation: the early on speech when Vice President Vance went to Munich to put Europe.

European nations on notice, that this socialist way is not going to sustain. You need to undo your own errors, otherwise, you will perish on your own decisions. Those are major, major proclamations. And I think there's no doubt that President Trump certainly put him on that stage. That was no mistake there, and it certainly wasn't banishing your vice president to the border czar amid the worst border crisis in the history of our nation, which is what they did with Kamala Harris.

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It's Brian Kilmead. Buckle up, here we go. This is your humble DC correspondent, Griff Jenkins, trying to fill the ginormous shoes of the great Brian Kilmead on the Brian Kilmead radio show. The third most powerful show in the country, but let me tell you, the very best. And I am getting the full Killmead experience, as they say, getting to fill in for him on Fox and Friends and then dart like Superman up to the 15th floor at Fox and do three hours of a radio show.

I don't see how he does it, except for the fact that he simply has fun doing it with such amazing guests and having time to really talk a little bit longer, strap light on some of the issues that you see so quickly covered on television. And as a kid that started his career in radio, as the producer of the Oliver North show in the 90s, and then in the early 2000s, the Tony Snow show, there's No dream bigger coming true. And it's so amazing to be able to talk to our next guest, my Fox News contributor colleague, who is one of the smartest political men you will ever meet in your lifetime, but also someone that back when this young kid, radio producer for the Tony Snow Show, was always trying to get this then White House senior advisor to President George W. Bush, Carl Rove, on the radio show. And now I get to sit behind the microphone.

What an honor to bring you on and talk on all things under the sun. Carl, how are you? I'm doing fabulous, my friend, and congratulations. Finally, finally, these three hours has a host worthy of the time. I mean, Killmead.

Kill mead. I mean, you know, where is Killmead on vacation, incidentally? Do we know?

Well, Carl, we cannot confirm nor deny that he has fled the state like some 50 Texas state lawmakers in your Lone Star State did. And that's, you know, what is going on down there? This isn't the first time that you had Democrats run away. And, you know, they've fled to Illinois, which is awfully rich considering there's perhaps no more Democratically gerrymandered state in the country than Illinois, with only three of 17 seats, I believe, are Republican, despite Trump winning by some 44, 45%. Total misrepresentation of the voters' will.

In Massachusetts, where another handful of them went to, there's zero. Republicans in the Senate or House there. But, you know. They've jumped the shark, as they say, to cite for those of us old enough to understand the Fonzi reference here. Jolanda Jones is one of those runaway Democrats, goes on Don Lamon Show and had this comparison of what this redistricting is.

Listen here, cut seven. I will liken this to the Holocaust. People are like, well, how did the Holocaust happen? How is somebody in a position to kill all their people?

Well, good people remained silent. Or good people didn't realize that what happens to them can very soon happen to me as somebody I love. Unbelievable, Carl. What do you make out of all of this and where are we headed?

Well, we're head we will have the Republican map. Look, you're right. They've done this before. In fact, a little bit of history. You know when was the first time that Democrats Shut down a session of the Texas legislature because they didn't like what was happening.

Eighteen seventy and And the the the Reconstruction Republicans dominated the legislature. They wanted to pass a bill to protect black voting rights and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the Democrats, 13 Democrats, broke the quorum and left. And the bill eventually got passed. Same thing happened the last time, the two the last two times the Democrats broke quorum in order to stop a redistricting fight.

You're right, 51 of them fled. There are 62 Democrats. 51 of them need to have departed in order to break the quorum. But look, it's going to happen. And you can say it's unusual.

It is. But The whole issue of Of redistricting is fraught with hypocrisy. And you pointed it out. I mean, Illinois has one of the worst gerrymanders. Just Google Illinois congressional districts and take a look.

I mean, it is just unbelievably bizarre. They start in Chicago. They take this inner city of Chicago and they run little. Tendrils, tentacles out into the suburbs to grab some population, grab some suburban and ex-urban Republicans to meet the necessary population requirement, but not enough to make it competitive. But to keep the Republicans from having a couple of seats in the suburbs of Chicago, they pair them with the inner city neighborhoods.

Then, in the outstate, the downstate, they call it, in the west and south of the state. They have They they took Take a look at the map. There's one district, the 15th. Where literally it looks like a miner with a little lamp on top of his head picking a can. And the sixteenth is two irregular blobs That are nearly cut in half by a thin serrated blade that comes out of Sangamon County, Springfield, and runs up and picks up some additional Democrats to the north.

But on either side of it are these irregular blobs. And the other districts, and then there's one district that looks, you know, they couldn't screw around with it. It's basically about the southern, I'd say, fifth of the state, called Little Egypt, it's Republican rural territory. But then they create these weird districts that sort of start on the western side and go to nearly the eastern border, and they start on the northern border and go, you know, deep into the central part of the state in order to knit together neighborhoods and communities that have more Democrats than Republicans in order to create two Democratic downstate seats that shouldn't be there if you drew compact, contiguous community of interest. And this guy...

The governor of Illinois is sitting there, you know, proclaiming that he is, you know, on the high and mighty that he, you know, how dare the Republicans, gerrymander Texas, You're right, 83%. Of the members of the delegation in Illinois are Democrats, and Donald Trump got 44% of the vote. It's unbelievable. And this is why we have you on. Nobody is better at it than you because you understand all of this, but.

Explain to me, Carl.

Now we're hearing talk of what I'm calling retaliatory redistricting, because I don't know what to call it, but you've got states like California and others saying, Well, if Texas gets this through, because they know it's going to get through when the Democrats that have run away get tired of the Continental breakfast over at the Pritzker Hotels in Chicago, when it does pass, you're looking at other states trying to basically further redistrict towards Democrats to respond. How's that going to play?

Well, i i th first of all Uh uh it's not gonna play. California has a constitutional provision that says that they redistrict by an independent so-called independent commission. In reality, the commission is heavily controlled by the Democrats, which is why you have of 52 members of the delegation, 43 of them are Democrat in a state where Trump got 38% of the vote. But they have a constitutional provision of how this gets done once every 10 years. Newsome is going to go to the legislature.

He says, get them to pass a new redistricting plan wiping out an equivalent number, whatever number of seats the Texas Republicans gain, he's going to wipe out those seats in California. And then he's going to go to the voters this fall and ask them to repeal the constitutional provision and retroactively approve this redistricting thing. Good luck with that.

Now, in New York, Governor Hochl is saying, We're going to, you know, she's going to, you know, all is fair in love and war, she says. We're in a war.

So uh She's going to redistrict. There's a constitutional provision in the New York Constitution that prohibits that. How are you going to get around that?

So a lot of this is, you know, look, there are two things at play here. One is hypocrisy. Each one of these states, Illinois, California, and New York, are gerrymandered on behalf of the Democrats.

So first, what we've got is hypocrisy. And second of all, we got a lot of play into the base. They're not going to be able to pull those kind of things off.

So they're screaming and shouting and dancing about because Hoker wants to get re-elected governor and Newsom, with the great hair that he has, wants to be the Democratic nominee for president.

Now, can we go back? I don't want to let Miss Jones get away with this. This is a black state representative from Texas. Do you know what the Texas map does? The new map, for the first time in the history of Texas, creates two black majority districts, one in Dallas and one in Houston.

Now they're they're You know, like low 50s percent black. But wasn't the goal of the Voting Rights Act to create majority-minority districts? And for the first time ever, we will have a black majority district in Dallas, a black majority district in Texas, in Houston, and we create an eighth Hispanic majority population district, albeit one that votes Republican, as do several of the others.

Now, You know, to suggest that the creation of two black majority districts is somehow reminiscent of the Nazis. And of the Holocaust is just reprehensible. Shame on her. Shame on her for denigrating the death of six million, mostly Jews. By the the Nazis.

And compare and suggest that her colleagues in the Texas House of Representatives. Yeah. I mean, and not only Nazis, but people who engaged in the greatest genocide in the history of the world.

So shame on her. It's easy to do. It's such a good point, Carl. And, you know, as an observation here, as someone who covers, you know, the border and immigration a lot, every single day it seems like there's some Democrat doubling down on the anti-ICE rhetoric with some sort of Gestapo or Nazi comparison. It's almost like the Democrats have gotten this sort of Nazi.

Problem. It's like they're attached to it. They're addicted to it. There's an affliction here where they can't say anything without going straight to that. But you're right.

I know that this Representative Jolanda Jones, I think, has tried to walk it back some, but boy, she said it with such conviction that it really takes you back. And you wonder, wow, that's not even a serious lawmaker if you're going to say something crazy as that. Let me get you to weigh in on one thing, though, and that is, you know, the redistricting, the gerrymandering usually only happens once a decade after a census. And you have this one California congressman, Kevin Kiley, saying, Hey, what about having Congress say you can't do mid-decade redistricting? What do you make of that?

Well, look, I'm sort of in favor of it. I admit, look, this is pure. Politics. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Do I wish?

That we had redistricting done once a decade? Yes. Do I wish that we had more states like for some reason or other, Iowa? Tends to get maps that make sense when you look at them and create more competitive districts. They don't have these weird gerrymanders like their neighbor to the east, Illinois.

Do I wish that there was, you know, that the parties didn't engage in what they engage in? But it's been going on forever. The word gerrymander is created in 1812 to describe what the governor of Massachusetts had reluctantly signed into law, which was a map for the state senate that had a thing that looked like a salamander around the city of Boston. And so Governor Jerry, G-E-R-R-Y, the newspaper said, well, the map has been gerrymandered. And the word has stuck with us ever since.

But that is the way of the world. And I wish there were a better way to do it. You know, I love it. You know, one of the guys who's running around there is the former Attorney General of the United States, Eric Holder.

Well, Eric Holler's saying, how dare they do a midterm Mid-decade redistricting.

Well, he's the guy who files a lawsuit to force North Carolina, I think it was in 2016, to redistrict and kill two Republican seats. In order to create seats that were black majorities. And now he's saying, How dare Texas turn around and do this? That's right. Don't do as I did, do as I say, that tough, hard stare in the mirror for Eric Holder.

I think every one of these states, every 10 years, they decide to gerrymander every district. They should call a guy named Carl Rove who will come in and do it exactly the way he would be representative of the will of the voters, fair, competitive, and done right. But what do I know? I'm not sure that's an exaggeration. You know, my first internship in politics.

was to help redistrict the Utah legislature when I was when I was a freshman in college. And we literally did it with an old antique adding machine and yellow pads and maps of the of the precincts. When I was the deputy chief of staff to Governor Clements of Texas in 1981, we had a Democrat, conservative Democrat speaker, and we worked with him to get a reasonably fair map, which meant a few more Republican seats. And I still have the gavel that Speaker Clayton used to gavel the passage of the bill, and he gave it to me because I've been sort of the numbers guy in the back room. But look, it's hard to do.

There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Actually, the Republicans had done a, oh, you know, had tilted towards the Democrats. Think about it. 66% of the members of the Texas delegation are Republicans today. That is well below all three of the other states that we've been talking about, Illinois, California, and New York.

How about that? You still got that gavel. That is the coolest political history. I'm a junkie, and I am here for this, and nobody better. Carl Rove, thank you for taking time, my friend.

Thank you, pal. All the best, Griff. All right. This is Griff Jenkins filling in for Brian Kilmead on the Brian Kilmead Show. We'll be right back.

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Um He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Kilmead. My goodness, is he ever busy? This is your humble D.C. correspondent, Griff Jenkins, trying to fill the giant shoes of Brian Kilmead on the Brian Kilmead show.

Join now. I am so excited about this. In studio, we have the host of the story at 3 p.m., Martha McCallum. This is so cool, Martha. I've never gotten to do radio filling in for Brian and having you join me.

Normally, I'm a DC reporter joining you to do something. I was watching you this morning on Fox and Friends. Great job, by the way. It's always good to see you on the couch. And, you know, so is Brian?

I have a question. Is Brian, is he like on a vacation? Because he's always working.

So I can't really, I'm sure he must be working on something somewhere. It's a great question, Martha. And, you know, we can either confirm nor deny any rumors. He might actually be resting or taking his family somewhere for a few days. Either enjoying a well-deserved vacation and no indication to the salacious rumors that he's joined 50 Texas state Democrats on the run from the Lone Star State.

Taking tours to Illinois and to Massachusetts and everywhere. I'm going to guess that might be a rumor that's not true. Salacious. What do you make of that?

And we just have a minute here, take a break, and I'll bring you back. But I know you've got Laura Trump coming on and talking about this in the show. Let's talk to Laura Trump really in her capacity as the former RNC chair because what's getting interesting about this, and we're going to talk to a New York State Republican Assemblyman on the show, because now I think people in California, representatives in California and New York, are like, uh-oh, what's coming our way next? Because if this turns into a redistricting battle where everybody's trying to, you know, keep the tabs of how many seats they have, where can we pick up a couple more? And they start re-gerrymandering all these districts in places where Republicans are hanging on in purple areas.

That's going to be tough for them, too.

So they've got their spidey sense up right now saying, oh, what does this mean for me?

So we're going to address that with her. That's such a great focus and guest to have on because you do have what I am calling. For lack of a better term, retaliatory redistricting, right? Then you've got Governor Gavin Newsome. There's real questions whether he can actually do it based on his state's rules.

But here in New York, Kathy Holkul, the governor, is saying that she's going to try and retaliate and strike back. And it would make sense that Democrat lawmakers are like, wait a minute, not in my backyard. Hold on. Don't go drawing crazy scorpion tail districts around here. This is Griff Jenkins on the Brian Killmeat show.

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This is the Brian Kill Me Show. If you're considering doing a little more redrawing in Illinois, you already have some crazy districts in Illinois. Take a look at this. Look at 17 here. It does that, then it comes up here and it sneaks.

Around there and goes all the way up here, and then goes right over there, like that. And look at, look at, look. Look at this one, kind of goes, whoop up there. It's like the stinger on a scorpion down here. Is this common for all states to do?

Well, we handed it over to a kindergarten class and let them decide.

Okay. That's the non- that's the the non-partisan group that does this. Absolutely. That's our independent commission. You know.

That is, yeah.

So c because all Here, let me jump in and save you. Says Stephen Colbert with Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker. Griff Jenkins in for the great Brian Kill Me, joined by Martha McCallum. And Martha, it's fascinating.

I mean, even Colbert, who since his notice of being canceled two weeks ago, has had 100% liberal guests on, feels the need to confront Pritzker and say, you know, the map. It's pretty crazy, these districts. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's embarrassing.

And it's embarrassing that Pritzker has made himself sort of the centerpiece governor for this issue. And, oh, we're going to welcome all of these lawmakers from Texas who aren't going to do their job, who aren't going to address the flooding issue, things that are important that are before their assembly right now.

So, you know, this is the kind of irony and hypocrisy that makes people hate politics. And I think they probably think it stinks on all sides. The thing that matters is how, you know, is representing your state in a way that breaks it up into logical geographic districts, which is the way they were originally figured out. But the states decide this issue. The federal government, the Constitution, I heard the RNC chair this morning saying it was unconstitutional, what was happening.

The constitution that matters in these situations is really the state and how they decide they're going to do this.

So they can be as squirrely as they want with these. Things, but you do have a lot of people who've moved to Texas. A lot of people move to Texas from places like California, and they want representation. Exactly. And I think you put your finger on it.

This is exactly the kind of thing that turns off the American people to voters in elections and the push to. Get rid of mid-decade gerrymandering, I think, is probably one that'll get quite a bit of support on both sides because both sides are doing it. And the end result is not only is it not representative of the voters, but it really discourages, I think, as I was telling you at the break, discourages people from participating in the process, which is candidates with different ideas and different perspectives of the political aisle that get involved. If you just carve out these safe seats, it's only one primary for one party and there's no real participation. Absolutely.

I mean, if you're a Republican who wants to run in Massachusetts. I mean, Massachusetts has no Republican members of Congress, none.

Okay, so. you know, and and forty three percent of the state voted for Trump in the election.

So, you know, you have to be, the process stinks. I think people see that up and down, and you're right. If you're a young Republican in a place like New York or Massachusetts or Illinois, and you're like, you know what? I think I have a shot at that district. I'm going to throw my hat in the ring.

And the flip side of it is, people who are in office right now who look at this situation, you have the retaliatory gerrymandering that is definitely coming in places like California and New York, they're worried.

So it's a tricky game. It's a dangerous game, actually, because if you go after the five seats in Texas, which perhaps are well deserved, given the makeup of the electorate there, you may lose a few seats in someplace like New York or California. We hear the governors in both places saying that they're going to bring a knife-to-the-knife fight. Yeah, a knife-to-thnift. They're really all about fighting right now.

Like the TikTok video, it's like, I'm going to kick you and punch you. I'm your fighter. And I really think they have, you know, in a way, goes back to David Hogg, who is in relative obscurity at the moment, but I would I would expect he'll make a comeback, who got booted out of the DNC because he was saying, look, we need to get rid of the Deadwood in the party and we need to bring in younger voices, very progressive, obviously.

Now they're all like, oh, all of us. Fighting. I'm bringing the knife with me. Choose your fighter. It's such a great analogy.

And, you know, to that point, I mean, Hogg was part of the DNC that spent $20 million to figure out how to talk to young men. Yeah. And I would submit to you that while gerrymandering is alive and well, clearly, what's dead on arrival is woke advertising. And that is why all of us can't stop talking about Sidney Sweeney in the American Eagle Jeans commercial, because just in the last 24 hours, we were talking about this on Fox and Friends this morning. It's not enough to go after Sidney Sweeney and call her a Nazi and everything else under the sun.

Now they're going after Sully Bear, her beloved German Shepherd dog, saying that's a Nazi dog. Of course, that's the, you know, salute to Hitler dog for a white woman. Crazy stuff. Crazy. You know, I find this really interesting, and I give her credit because she comes from a generation that comments about everything.

Right, that puts everything out there, and she has not said a word about this, and I think her silence is very powerful. Um They did put out the video of her at a gun range with a very effective ability to shoot targets.

So I thought that was pretty interesting.

Now they're going after the dogs. It's so transparent. It's so obvious. It's so easy to make these stupid arguments like, oh, that's, you know, your dog is a MAGA dog.

So obviously that says something about you. But. You know, when you look at one of the things that first occurred to me when this jeans thing came out, I could I just immediately saw in my head when I walked through Times Square, um, huge campaign for Beyoncé for Levi's. It's an awesome Ad, right? And it's up on this huge video.

And she's working in this diner and she goes to leave work and she kind of has this like wink with the other guy that works there. She gets her Levi's shirt out of the refrigerator where she keeps it. And then she pulls it out to put it on to leave work. I'm like, wow, what an amazing campaign. You know, Beyoncé doing this Levi's, like, so all-American, you know.

Not thinking I'm not thinking like, oh, you know, who's black, who's white? It's like, great campaign, fantastic, well done. And Sidney Sweeney, you know, i is doing this campaign. She's a sh very successful actress at this point. And, you know, people just need to get off of this idea that That a good ad is a good ad.

Okay. So let's not try to peel back the layers and get make it have some nefarious message. It's a good ad, obviously. It's been hugely successful. And now they've got President Trump Pushing American Eagle jeans too.

So I don't know how it could have gone better for them. People are saying, oh, how did the ad backfired? Let's analyze how the ad backfired. It's like, Did it? Are you sure?

Yeah. It looks like it's a winner to me. Over the weekend, the New York Times wrote a piece about it because they obviously also want to talk about it because they need to, but they've got to figure out how can we talk about it and not be kind about it. And they were basically saying that Sidney Sweeney is overexposed.

So now she's just doing too much. I say, keep going, kid. You are killing it. And it's fascinating because I'm old enough to remember I'm 54.

So I was literally a teenager in the 80s, I think, when Brooke Shields' ad came out. And let me tell you, every girl I knew was wearing those jeans. And Calvin Klein, jeans, they were also really controversial. And every one of us guys. She was very young, and people were saying, oh, why did her mother let her do these ads?

Because she was saying, you know, nothing comes between me and my Calvins.

So being provocative, getting people talking is what these beautiful women in blue jeans ads are all about, whether it's Beyoncé or Sidney Sweeney or Brooke Shields. We found an ad. Which was easy to find when you dig back into them, where Brookshields is talking about genetics. She's talking about, you know, remember, she was very smart. She went to Princeton.

And in the beginning, she has these like professorial glasses on, and she's like talking about genes and evolution and how genes, you know, tend to weed out things that don't evolve over time. I mean, it was like way in. Did anyone say that she was, you know, that she was spouting Nazi propaganda at that time? No. I mean, they talked about the fact that the ad was sexy, it was provocative, all of that stuff.

But I mean, if you want to add that, you know, with regard to genes, this one was way worse. But of course, we were in a whole different place then as a country. We were. And, you know, do you think, Martha, that this is the moment, like an inflection point where truly the woke culture ends?

Well, you know, President Trump said the other day, like, it's not cool to be woke anymore. And I, you know, I have. Three kids in their 20s, you know, they are, you know, forming their own opinions about things, but they, I think they sense this: that, you know, that the woke sort of generation has turned up empty in a lot of ways. I think people, no matter who they are, they like strength, they like boldness, they like to be patriotic about their country. I think these are things that resonate.

I think that the pendulum always swings, right? I mean, we've got the Mamdani race here in New York, and so obviously that element has its supporters in the country. But I mean, I just sense that this whole ridiculousness of saying that Sidney Sweeney is representing Nazi values is just people just openly laugh and scoff at it.

So now you get to the point where you play the clip from that professor saying that this is eugenics, and you just people laugh. I mean, there was a time when it was like, oh my gosh, we better cancel the ad, we better get every corner. Corporation in America to say they disapprove of the ad. That's not happening anymore. No, no.

And of course, the CEO of Jaguar was the most recent to pay the price with that crazy, androgynous, alien, weird gender-free, no cars, no cars, no jag in there. And it's fascinating. You know, I have two daughters as well, 19 and 23. And it's interesting to see how they're responding. And by the way, you're very right.

This generation. Comments on everything. Nonstop. Everything's out there. All the time.

Not doing it. But I've texted some. In my family chain, I went down to do Soul Cycle and walked past the American Eagle store down in Soho and I took a picture, a selfie of myself because American Eagle's not backing down. I mean, literally every window is giant life-size Sidney Sweeney. And I just sent it to the family text chain and said, Sidney Sweeney's got great jeans.

And of course, it's pictured me. And I got a unanimous dad, enough with it. Knock it off. Yeah, they struck gold. They know it.

They're not turning back on this ad campaign for quite some time. And the company is called American Eagle. Yeah. I've said. Yeah, that's right.

That's right. It's as American as Levi's, which has Beyoncé, which is fantastic for everyone. Right. And there is certainly a sense that as one of the reporters that covered so many of the anti-American protests, there is a sense among young people, at least what I see of my daughter and her friends, of patriotism coming back, of people caring again about America. And while, you know, we're talking about an American Eagle.

But there's a real thing there. And so it may be a secondary win for that company, not only with Sidney Sweeney and taking down the giant woke culture behemoth, but also leaning into some more patriotic themes. You know, I think it's documented in terms of polling, in terms of what we saw in the last election. We saw a youth swing vote towards conservatives in the last round in 2024. There's no doubt about it.

And I think that you have to see whether or not that traction continues. But I think it's documentable that there is a swing among young people towards a more conservative value and a more sort of patriotic support of military, support of law enforcement, all of that.

Now, the country goes back and forth on these swings over the course of history, but it's clearly where the momentum is right now. It's 100% actually. That's a great point because I remember we just had a Pew poll, I believe it was, that found between 2023. And 2025, among young men 18 to 29, it was a 44% swing from Democrat to Republican. But among women, it was like 16, 17 points.

And so, obviously, leaning into something like that for American Eagle, there's a ready-made audience out there that just showed up that wants to put those jeans on. Think about it, it's so crazy that putting, you know, we see people from all walks of life in successful ad campaigns all across this country, right? And so, I think the idea of having diverse, showing diversity in advertising has been, you know, something that has been. Really fundamental over the last many years. But how do you get to the point where, if you put a person who's blonde and blue-eyed in an ad, that that's bad?

Yeah. Ridiculous. Hey, listen, Griff Jengins filling in on the Brian Kilmead Show. We got to take a quick break because I want to save some time if you have time, Martha. Sure.

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on Fox, Martha McCallum. Hey, Martha, you and I are both old enough to have grown up with one guy on radio, and no one ever forgets how my gosh, the shock jock, right? Like, he is apparently going to finish out his contract. We're still getting details on this, but it looks like he is going the way of Stephen Colbert and others who are moving on. You know, I'm going to talk to Jimmy Philo about this actually later today.

And I know that he feels that Stern just really sort of. Turned his back on the core of his audience and just became so virulently anti-Trump after interviewing Trump many times back on his show and over all those years.

So it's interesting to see the term. He's also paid an enormous amount, hundreds of millions of dollars. And I think for a lot of these companies, it's becoming about as it should be for publicly traded companies. At some point, you have to figure out whether or not it's worth the money. And I think they have other big names.

I think they're like, we're done. Yeah, it's remarkable. I mean, Howard Stern has some 20-year, roughly two decades. Two decades, yeah. Of a run and getting hundreds of millions of dollars, as you point out, from SiriusXM Radio.

And, you know, when you think back to the days of when Howard Stern was really cutting his teeth in the movie, that if our listeners haven't watched the movie on Howard Stern, it was a great movie that was done because it really trails out. You know, him going through the tumble of talk radio in the 80s and the way it was, and trying to break in, and then in the 90s, really starting to make his way and come into his own. But yet, the Howard Stern of those early days that knew so much about what it took to succeed was knowing your audience and knowing your listeners. Versus now is a complacency, just got too comfortable and didn't care. I think you put it really well.

And I think that's one of the problems. I think that's why anyone who has become successful, how do you maintain that edge? How do you maintain what got you there? How do you understand your audience? And keep questioning yourself.

And what happens is, I think, and I think this is part of what happened to him and may have led to this, is that you become overly indulgent in your own opinions. And you read your press releases too deeply. And you think that you don't have to constantly work to keep that audience. And I think back to this Johnny Carson clip that's been making its way around social media. And he did an interview for 60 minutes with Mike Wallace.

Almost never did an interview with Johnny Carson, but he was asked by Wallace: you know, how come you never take a a stance on anything? You know, why not? You know, why don't you do it? He said he said, You know, because Jack Benny never took a stance on anything. And, you know, he went through like some of the greats and he said, Once I do, you can't go back.

Yeah. And then everybody's going to want me to weigh in on politics. And he said, I think people look to this as an escape. And one of the great things about the early Howard Stern was that he was an equal opportunity slammer. I mean, he offended everybody across the board.

That's why he was this shock jock. And now there's nothing shocking anymore, right? You talk, Martha, about the greats. You are one of the greats. 3 p.m.

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