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It's just beautiful to have someone who is so authentic. You know, that's money cannot buy that. Zoran Mamdani is an incredible talent, hard not to be won over. You have ALC and Zahran, that's a winning combo. This guy is not a communist, he's not a socialist, he he's a an advocate for uh small C capitalism.
Okay, Congressman Mark Tuncana was the last one. I have news for you. He calls himself a socialist. He does not like capitalism.
So you could spin it all you want, but he's not asking you to spin it. One person. Who is not involved in the montage of praise because we just didn't have the time to get a sound bite from him? Is Trey Gowdy? He's the former chairman of the House Oversight Committee.
We know about his great show on Sunday night, Sunday Night in America with Trey Gowdy. Trey, could you say something promising about the man who won the Democratic primary to be the next mayor of New York City so I could add you to the montage next hour? Yes, I I have one thing to say complimentary of him. He may be the single best thing to happen to the Republican Party in the last twenty years. That is, I'm going to put that right in.
Allison, would you be able to edit that in? Thank you very much. I agree with you. I mean, but he's proud of all these things, you know, globalize Intifada, all these things. You know, I agree with the sentiment.
Maybe I wouldn't use those words, he says. I'm a capitalist, I'm not a capitalism, don't like billionaires, don't want to defund the police.
So their their goal now, Trey, is to keep away from microphones.
Well There are a couple of things that I think you could add to that. I don't literally, I don't know another soul that wants to tax people based on race. While you also lie about your own race to get ahead. Oh, yeah. I don't know that I know anyone who wants to arrest Benjamin Netanyahu, but not Hamas.
Mm-hmm.
So if their goal is to make AOC look moderate. Then they found the right guy. If your goal is to run the largest city, one of the most important cities in the world, Then you are going to have a mass exodus from New York, Brian. And I mean, we would welcome you in South Carolina. We're not going to have any of that.
I'm serious. I mean, people are going to vote with their feet. And so, how you can all those tall skyscrapers, I don't think they were built with socialism. I I think they were built with capitalism.
So I don't look, the choices weren't great. Cuomo's not a great choice. Momdani is an awful, awful choice. People are going to start voting with their feet. They already are.
There's outmigration in New York. Yeah, I mean it is interesting because as I was talking to Senator Manchin yesterday. And he said. Keep in mind, whatever you think of them, they're getting the crowds.
So AOC and Bernie Sanders are getting huge crowds. Mom Donnie will get a huge crowd, and he does have a big social media presence. If he goes out, he'll get a bigger crowd.
So, what does it tell you? That you have a disaffected population in our country that are susceptible. To, I mean, everybody needs an enemy. Everybody needs, I say everybody, normal people don't. Normal people look in the mirror and say, okay, let me find the problem.
Other people look elsewhere and say the reason I'm not ahead is because of you. You also have white guilt. You also have people that were born on third base. With the guilt that comes with that.
So, if you look at who's voting for Mom Donnie, I'll just tell you what I do not understand. I don't understand how an African-American voter.
So really probably did face obstacles based on the color of his or her skin, could possibly possibly countenance someone who lied about his race and now wants to tax people based on their race. If that's where New York is headed, I think the world's most important city is not going to be there much longer. But he was born in Africa, Uganda. And he wrote African American. Right.
I was born at Greenville Memorial Hospital, but I'm not a doctor.
So I know. I mean, I know.
So what? I mean, my parents might have been on vacation in what used to be Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. That does not make me. Rhodesian, Zimbabwean. I mean, I've I it it Look, i if there's nothing wrong with your own background, Donnie, why'd you lie about it?
Peop people don't lie because they think it's gonna hurt 'em. They lie because they think it's gonna help them. It's like Elizabeth Warren. I mean, yeah, i Native American? Seriously?
Because because you have light colored eyes? I guess that makes me Cherokee because I have blue eyes. That's true. She also, she says, her bone structure, just for the record. I guess.
Who said certain studies their bone structure? I'm not sure. I mean, get out of the mirror and join the real world. I tell you what, though, Brian, look, I like New York because my boss is. Or in New York.
But the reality is, the rest of the country doesn't think about New York that often. And if the face of your party is AOC, Momdani, and Gavin Newsome, then your party is going to be a minority party for a long time. I hear you. Trey Gaddy, our guest, his book is coming out. It's called The Color of Death, a novel.
And it comes out in August.
So I want to get to it. But I also want to talk to you about something that's frustrating the president. You know, I'm reading Mark Thiessen's column in the Washington Post today. You know, he's a conservative columnist, but he'll call you out, especially when it comes to Ukraine or other things. You know, he has no problem doing it.
George Will and other. But the president's on a winning streak. And if you look at the rescission package that's about done, now he's got regulations when it comes to cryptocurrency, let alone the big, beautiful bill. The guy's got a winning streak. He did what four presidents decided not to do, and that's bombed out Iran's nuclear program where they wouldn't come to the table.
He's close, I believe, with something with Hamas in Israel, but he is frustrated because everyone keeps talking about Epstein, including most of the people on his side. Before I find out what you think, Trey, here's the president yesterday about so many people on the right, the podcasters, who seem angry at him. Cut 28. But I lost a lot of faith in certain people. Yeah, I lost because they got duped by the Democrats.
The Democrats are good for nothing. They've done... a terrible job. They d almost destroyed our country. If I didn't get elected, all these numbers you're hearing about, they found twenty-five billion dollars and another twenty-five is coming in and hundreds of billions of dollars is pouring into our country.
Got Candace Owens, others out there saying that they're disenchanted with the President of the United States because of the Epstein files. Tell me where we're at with this. Yes.
Well, I haven't said a whole lot about it because I look at it from a prosecutorial standpoint. I think the deal he got in Florida was ridiculous. I would rather lose that case than give it away.
So what do we know? There's a co-conspirator sitting in prison serving a 20-year sentence. You can't conspire with yourself.
So who did she conspire with? Are you willing to cut her senates? To get information from her, because she's not going to do it out of a sense of civic duty. Even if the statute of limitations has run on the criminal part of it, Brian, I put hurting children up there tied for number one with murder in terms of seriousness. from a former prosecutor.
So I don't think there's any statute of limitations on knowing people who hurt children or aided and abetted the same. The challenge is when prosecutors try to win the press conference but don't want to win the trial.
So, if you have evidence of criminality against anyone, take them to court. If you have evidence of criminality but the statute is run, Then I want to see it because I don't want to support someone who would go to an island to take advantage of underage girls.
Now, the part that I find stunning is some of the same people who are criticizing the President. are calling for a special prosecutor named Matt Gates. You cannot be serious about hurting underage people and want Matt Gates to be a special prosecutor unless you want Hannibal Elector to be the White House chef. Why in the world would you pick somebody who left Congress because of similar issues?
So if you want to be serious about it, then prosecute anyone who is involved with Jeffrey Epstein if the statute hasn't run. And if there is no look, I trust Cash Patel. Brand, you know I worked side by side with him for two years. I didn't hear cash.
Well, there may have been interviews in the past about releasing it. But once you get there and see what the evidence is or what the file is, Then you, I mean, maybe they shouldn't have said it the first time. Maybe there was nothing there. But But the battle and who's picking sides, I bet 0% of those folks have actually seen. What I consider evidence.
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So you just want to see more information. And if you have it, just bring it out. That's what Mike Johnson said yesterday, he's a good speaker. He said he wants more disclosure from the administration. It's a very delicate subject, he said, but we should put everything out there and let the people decide.
What would be the reluctance to letting people putting everything out there? There should be no reluctance because I mean, what somebody may say is the statute of limitations is run. And then I would say there is no statute of limitations to me on the truth when it comes to hurting children.
So, technically, can you prosecute somebody after the statute is run? No. But do I want to know? That some famous person or some rich person went to an island and took advantage of underage girls. Yes, I want to know that because that person needs to be named, shamed, and ostracized.
There's more than one way to punish people in our culture, Brian. I mean, everybody gets focused on prison, yes. But there's also shame and the loss of respect and the loss of business. There are other ways to punish people. Here's what I don't know.
What was sitting on Pam's desk?
So there's a reason that Cash and Pam and Bongino are arguing with one another. Either stuff existed or it did not exist. And I don't know Dan that well, despite the fact he worked for Fox. I know Cash very, very well. I'm just telling you, Cash Mattel is not going to say nothing exists If there's evidence of children being hurt, he's just not going to do it.
So where would you go from here? You've seen a lot of interesting situations before. I'll tell you exactly where I'd go. There's a guy named Michael Horlitz.
So Horowitz is the Inspector General for DOJ. He's the reason you know about Peter Strzzok's text. He's the reason you know that Jim Comey had memos. He's the reason you know that Jim Comey was writing his exoneration press conference speech before he ever interviewed Hillary Clinton. Because he is a real investigator.
He's the inspector general for DOJ, and I would say: Michael, you call balls and strikes. And oftentimes, he's already investigated the alleged suicide of Jeffrey Epstein. He wrote an entire report on it. I wonder how many people have read that report. I wonder how many people have talked to him.
Him about it. I had him on my podcast because I said, Look, Hornowitz, it is suspicious to have a missing minute. It is suspicious. You got to help me with that. Listen to his explanation for it.
Horowitz was confirmed unanimously by the Senate. He is extraordinarily well respected on both sides.
So, who in our culture are people going to believe if they come out and say, this is what we have and this is what we don't have? It's a small group. But Horowitz is in that group. He's the inspector general for DOJ, and I would say, mister Horowitz, you write an exhaustive report on what existed, what exists now, whether or not the evidence has been corroborated. I mean, Gislane Maxwell may start naming names, but she's got an incentive to lie.
She wants to get out of prison. It's got to be corroborated. Nobody believed her when she said she did nothing wrong.
So why would you believe her now? It's got to be corroborated. I need to see corroboration for the allegations, and I want to see it. I want to see it. I understand the president's frustration because it is detracting away from his.
from his victories, which have been pretty historic. But it wasn't me who said I've seen the videos. It wasn't me who said the files are sitting on my desk. And it wasn't you.
So you can't write checks with your mouth that the rest of your body can't cash.
So, you think that Horowitz might be the ticket? Is he still working for the DOJ? I did not know that. He's one of the few inspector generals that survived, and I think he survived because he is universally respected. I mean, he found the Peter Strzok text.
Think about how much. how much that changed the gaming when we found yes, So Congress didn't find it. The FBI didn't come forward with it. Michael Horowitz found it.
So Trey, uh Tell me about the color of death. I know we got a month, but can you give us an idea of what we can expect? You know what, Brian? I want you. To go and sit in the front seat with me from the moment a murder happens until we solve it and take it to court.
So there are lots of menu series about cops and defense attorneys and defendants who didn't really do it. Finally, a mini-series, a book, a movie. About the role that prosecutors really play. And I don't mean like the time to kill with Matthew McConaughey and Kevin Spacey, where you show up the morning of trial. That is not real life.
Real life is the prosecutor is there the night the murder takes place. and he or she is the quarterback of the investigation. I'm going through it right now, a case I prosecuted 20 years ago that is still alive because he's on death row.
So the relationship with the victims, which is unique, the relationship between prosecutors and cops.
So, yeah, it is fiction in that the characters are made up. But if you really want. What? truly happens. in a murder case.
From a prosecutorial standpoint, and that is the quarterback of the team. then this book puts you in the driver's seat. With all of the grief, Brian, I still run into, you remember Susan Smith and what she did to her two sons. I I still from time to time run into her husband, and there is a bond between prosecutors and the victims of crime or the family. And that comes out in this book, so because you feel this.
It is. You want to live the roller coaster of murder? And what it does to everybody involved, this book takes you on that trip. Trey Gowdy, pick it up now, pre-order now, The Color of Death, the novel, and then watch his show Sunday night at 9 o'clock. And I'm lucky enough to follow him.
And I watch yours, where all the good guests want to go to you, and they tell me, I can't be up that late. And then I see him on your show. Your ratings are through the roof. Trey Gowdy, thanks so much. Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy, host of the Trey Gowdy Podcast.
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