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It won't be the last time you see me or others, for that matter. Maybe some of you will be impersonated. But it's just a reality of this AI technology that's going on, and it's a real threat. That is, of course, his Secretary of State Marco Rubio. What he was referring to is that he was impersonated.
And it wasn't easy to detect, and they recognized it quickly and they acted on it. But we've seen a lot of stuff, not nearly as important as the Secretary of State who said foreign policy being impersonated. But we've seen it with Fox Anchors. They have me doing stuff I wasn't doing. It looks absolutely legitimate.
And this really only happened really over the last two months. I mean, they have stuff about Ainslie and Sean that's up every morning. We look up and we see some other crazy story that looks and they have pictures, but they never neither one of them were ever there. Theresa Payton joins us now, former White House Chief Chief Information Officer from during the Bush years, cybersecurity authority and identity theft expert, CEO and founder of Fortelease Solutions. Teresa, welcome back.
Your take and you wrote about this in the Washington Post, about this impersonation, just the tip of the iceberg on the danger that's out there. Yes, Brian, it's great to be with you. And you and I have been talking about this actually, that this day was going to come. We've been talking about this for years. And President Reagan always would say, trust but verify.
We've entered into an age now, Brian, where it's never trust and always verify. And you know, candidly, Oh. There needs to be protections and guardrails around this technology.
So, for example, if you use deep fake technology to edit or create a video, those software companies should be required to watermark that audio or watermark the video to say this has been generated using this platform.
So, there's some different things that we could be doing, that we're not doing, we should be doing, and here we are.
So, kudos to Marco Rubio for going public. reporting it, so now an investigation can happen. Why is AI so much harder and it's coming so quickly? It's really three years, four years? And what are we staying up with it?
Are we staying up with our defense?
Well, no. And y right now the way I would classify things in sort of this hype cycle of the technology is there is a prioritization, it seems, of profit over people. Because if we put people first as we thought about this technology, we would say, what are all the great things that it can enable for us? And then how are all the ways it could be misused? And how do we create guardrails around that?
But because it's Right now, it looks like profit over people. We don't have things like we have in cars today. You know, you don't make a car without brakes. You, I mean, unless it's a race car or maybe a Boy Scout project, but you don't make cars without brakes. They have seatbelts, they have airbags, they have backup cameras, they have alarms.
We need to do the same thing for technology, otherwise we're going to end up exactly with what happened in Marco Rubio. Thankfully, it sounds like none of our foreign officials that were contacted by the operatives. And none of the Excel for it. Yeah. Yeah, and using his voice, and they could have done anything.
They could say, Hey, we're bombing this, or we could have taken this out, or Donald Trump has decided X, Y, and Z, and it sounds exactly like him, and there's nothing you could do about it. They say that we have adapted to AI. Quicker than we adapted to the Internet. And more people have caught up and gotten involved with this technology than anyone that got involved online. And we thought that was quick in the nineties.
Do you find the same thing? And why do you think that is that we were so open to jumping into this?
Well, we're in a post pandemic world. Almost everybody has a mobile phone in their pocket. In the nineties, with the Internet, you had to sit at a computer, you had to download a browser, You had to kind of find your way around.
Now it's just a simple app. Most of these apps are free. And in a post-pandemic world where, for a time being, things were locked down and we were driven to do everything online, it's considered more acceptable. But you know what's interesting? If people are feeling like this is all over the place, it is.
So a study, Brian, came out that said there's been a 3,000% surgeon not in your MI four hundred one K, but in global deep fake phishing incidents that have been reported. Those are the ones who have been reported. And the majority of these deep fake phishing incidents are truly AI driven by the cybercriminal syndicates and the nation states.
So everyone's got to be aware of this. And it's a way of, you know, remember we used to get that email from that Nigerian prince who said that he has money and he's got to move it, and we should give him our accounts or give him money and investment. And we used to laugh at that. But now it's so much more sophisticated. A lot of smart people get lured in.
A lot of smart people get lured in. And I'm actually, besides this kind of incident here with Marco Rubio, we're also seeing elder fraud abuse crimes.
So we're seeing where we have people being approached with impersonator accounts. Impersonator accounts are all over. All of the social media platforms are all guilty of not doing enough. To take down imposter accounts of all notable figures, whether it's Marco Rubio or Pope Leo. And then these imposter accounts are reaching out to people.
Mm-hmm. duping them into thinking using deep fake voice cloning, deep fake video cloning, that they are actually communicating in some cases real time with Pope Leo or with Alex from Hallow or with Marco Rubio. And then they're being directed to do cryptocurrency schemes, wire money for, quote, a charity. And it's really sort of very distressing. Real American Freestyle is the first ever unscripted pro wrestling league created by Hulk Hogan, Chad Bronstein, Israel Martinez, and Eric Bischoff to give elite wrestlers a real shot at a professional career.
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But then you have Susie Wiles, who is also. uh somebody that seems to have been hacked or impersonated. Yes, exactly, because you in we don't know all the details and we may never know, which is fine, around how did somebody get access to her contacts. To be able to actually pretend to be Susie, but also know who her contacts were versus sort of just randomly reaching out to people.
So, that is problematic as well. And you know what's interesting?
So, there are some different tools out there that people can use to try to. To prevent things from happening while we're waiting for big tech to figure things out, or either be told there's going to be some regulation where you have to figure things out so that people can be safer.
So there are a few things out there. They're not super easy to use yet. But there's tools like McAfee actually has something called a deep fake detector, which can look at video and audio in real time and Tell you, like, huh, there's a few strange things here. There's some really interesting technology coming out called liveness detection or proof of life detection that financial services companies are looking at using. And still, I always tell people.
Follow your gut instincts.
So is Marco Rubio reaching out to you on Signal or Suzy Wiles? Think about that. Never trust, always verify. You can always call the White House operator and say, hey, I'm getting messages from this person. Is that really legitimate?
And talk to the White House operator about it. Yeah. The other thing is, you got to look out for Iran. They want some redemption in terms of hackers, North Korea, Iran, Russia. Are they still the top?
They are still the top as far as nation states who are targeting individuals.
So you have China who's very concerned about the trade war.
So China will be doing this. Iran, Russia, North Korea has not been as active in this social engineering, but that doesn't mean don't count them out. They just might be distracted and focused on other things. But then the cyber criminal syndicates have taken a page out of the nation state book and say, well, if somebody can pretend to be Marco Rubio, then I can pretend to be this notable figure and try to get access to their cryptocurrency or get access to their financials. And try to pretend to be a CFO asking for a wire transfer to happen, for example.
So, really, it's the nation states, but the cyber criminal syndicates tend to be. copying those tactics and using it for fraud. Yeah, I guess we should all look out for that.
So we have this big story at X, and it turns out they have Grok as their AI. And maybe it's reflective of the people on there, but evidently, when asked about certain questions about who could have fixed Texas or who could have anticipated that overflowing of the river that tragically took so many lives and still more to come, the word is Hitler. Hitler could have handled it. And they start praising Nazis. And Grok has basically been taken offline.
They're trying to fix it.
So is AI crowdsourcing? Are we getting information of the of just what other people think? Yeah, I'm so glad you asked this question, Brian.
So I look at AI, and I like to have people think about it as sort of like layers of a cake, right?
So at the bottom layer of the cake, You have these engineers that you do not know. And these engineers walk around with conscious and unconscious biases. They're creating things, and engineers are fallible people. They make mistakes. And those biases play out like facial recognition technology doesn't do a good job identifying a name and faces of people of color.
They can't even discern gender.
So you have to look back and say, why is that?
Well, many of the engineers that worked on the early days of facial recognition were whites and Asians. And so it wasn't a conscious bias. It was an unconscious bias because the test pool was other engineers sitting in the cubicle. Fast forward to the next layer of the cake. You then have the internet as a dumpster fire, and the internet also has great information.
If you have generative AI tools who are being trained on screen scraping the internet and getting information on the internet, It's not going to be a lovely curated, beautiful koi pond, which has Zen and Feng Shui. It's going to be a combination of that beautiful koi pond that's been curated and the dumpster fire that is the Internet. And then the last layer of the cake is who is doing the data tagging to give you that information in real time? And a lot of times the people doing the data tagging are not data scientists. They're people paid below minimum wage.
They're sitting in an operations center and they're just doing the best they can and they're getting paid by the number of data tags that they do.
So that's the three layers of the cake that make up the answers that we're getting. It's amazing. And is everything's changing so quick too. Thanks so much. Appreciate it.
Teresa Payton, appreciate what you're doing. Brian, I always love to be with you. Have me back any time. You're an awesome media news pro. Thanks.
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