Two weeks: Trump sets decision deadline for Iran strike

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It's the Brian Kilmeat Show coming up today. There's a lot going on, Secretary of Uh, the Secretary of Homeland Homeland Security will have America's future tour. She's going to be Christy Nomen at a policy event enhancing security on our northern border. It's becoming a really big deal. Why?

Because the southern border is virtually shut down. And Bernie Sanders is going to do his fighting oligarchy tour. I'm sure you're going to be going to in McCallum, Texas. We have a great affiliate out there.

So he's going to be doing that with Beta O'Rourke.

So if you're a socialist, that's going to be the event for you. General Jack Keenan in 34 minutes. And Sean Shanker is here, Palantir's Chief Technology Officer.

So first, let's get to the big three stories in the world. Number 3. The White House honestly is being very good at working with me, setting up a process with senators, house members, OMB, but it's going to take a little bit more time.

So we're all working in good faith. This is just, this was an aggressive deadline. Yep, that is Senator Ron Johnson. One week to go for Republicans to write and pass the big, beautiful bill. Its future very much in doubt, especially with that deadline.

We'll break it down. Number two that are walking out of this courthouse, taken away from their families. They don't have the lawyers. And that's why the state of New York It's providing $50 million to cover legal services. For people who are finding themselves in this situation.

What a sham. Governor Hokul going about for people that came into our country illegally with your money. The world is upside down. ICE looked at as the enemy, assaults on agents soaring 500%, and arrests multiply as we try to rid ourselves of the illegal immigrants who came in during the Biden surge. Number one.

I have a message directly from the president. Based on the fact that there's a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks. There you go. And that is the press secretary saying, hurry up and wait. It could be head of fake for President Trump as he considers bunker busters to take out Iran's fortified Fordo nuke plant.

We break down the decision, the latest in the war in Iran, as we see less and less rockets and missiles going into Israel. Thankfully, they're still doing some damage and more sorties coming from Israel. And they are doing a lot of damage. It's all targeted. It's all scripted.

Sham Shanker joins us now. Palantir's chief technology officer. He's developed software platforms specializing in big data, analytics, and artificial intelligence. And you got some big defense contracts. Shyam, great to see you.

Thanks for having me, Brian. First off, congratulations on the position. How long did it take you to get that? Yeah. How many years in the business?

I've been at Palantir more than 19 years now. I joined as the 13th employee, and it's a 20-year overnight success, as they say. Wow. What role does government contracts play in that and with the defense industry? You know, we're a unique sort of business in the present moment, but it harkens back to America's proud tradition in history.

So we're 50-50 private sector and Government. Right. And I think that's really important because it allows us to leverage all the private sector innovations that we're developing on the factory floor to help improve our national security. Palantu was created for what reason? To solve the problems that were revealed after 9-11.

We couldn't connect the dots. We had all of the data, but we didn't have privacy-enhancing technologies that enabled agencies to actually share that information. We didn't have the interfaces that allowed ordinary human analysts to make sense of what was going on, to see the enemy faster than they could hurt us. And that really, that's where it started. I sometimes say, You know, if you want to be cynical, it took something as sexy as James Bond to motivate engineers to work on a problem as boring as data integration.

But now the business has grown to be something that, whether you're working on the kill chain or the value chain, it's broadly applicable to American prosperity. See, what's crazy is that that should be the objective of the federal government on some level, it is, but somehow the private sector is much more equipped to make quicker progress. Am I correct?

Well, it's the frontier spirit of America. You know, we forget that who built the arsenal of democracy. You know, we took Bill Knudsen, who was the number two executive at GM. He perfected mass production. We enlisted Henry Kaiser and Kelly Johnson and tons of engineers.

There were more deaths on the factory floor in World War II until 1943 than the deaths in the Foxhold outpaced it. There is a powerful tradition of the American industrial base that's far beyond the traditional defense contracting. And that's what it looks like when we're winning. We're leveraging all of America's strengths. Today, that strength is really an AI.

It's not an accident that all those AI labs are American. It is A strategic asset that we have, and we need to enlist it in the national interest. Why should we not fear it? Because AI is going to give American workers superpowers. You know, we need to be the first to employ it to provide for our national prosperity here.

I think there's certainly been a lot of fear-mongering. I understand that response. I think anytime there's a big technology shift, that's a natural first response here. But we should be wielding it and taming it, just like we put a man on the moon, we built the aerospace industry. The American worker built the 20th century.

The American worker is going to build the 21st century. Did you feel as though the last administration, I don't really want to diminish what you do to politics, was not embracing this cutting-edge technology, was not embracing everything from crypto, which has nothing to do with you guys to stuff like AI. They were trying to keep it at arm's length. You're understating it. I mean, it was a full-on halt and assault on technological progress.

It was doomerism. It was a lack of belief in ourself and the American spirit. Really, we were doing a lot of hand-wringing around AI safety at the expense of AI efficacy. You know, it's not enough to just have the miracle of this technology. Question is who's going to be the first to employ it to enhance the prosperity of their nation?

How do you characterize this administration's view of AI? Very much on the front foot. I mean, they've got the right ideas, they're charging hard at it. They know that at the fundamental level, it's about the primacy of people. You know, we have exceptional Americans here.

They've come up with this approach. How do you partner with them? How do you enable them? How do you make sure the benefits accrue to all of America? I think it was about four years ago when Altman came, went on, I think it was on a couple of networks, maybe ABC, and said, here's what AI can do.

Worried about the parameters, does think there should be some type of guardrails up, but he let him know that there's no, this is just the beginning of a revolutionary technology. That was ChatGPT. What has happened since? Uh well I I think We've developed a much stronger. If you look at Europe, they're still stuck in the doomerism.

They are studying the problem, they're admiring it. If you look at American commercial companies, they have rolled up their sleeves, they have grease on their elbows, they're experimenting with it, they're putting it into production. AI now helps manage more than 30% of hospital beds in the U.S. You know, American workers are producing more quickly, more efficiently. That's going to help us reindustrialize.

You know, at the beginning of World War II, we were the best at mass production. That was our asymmetric advantage. Today, as we look at the threats out there, our adversary is the best at mass production. What is our strategy? China.

China, exactly. What is our strategy for reindustrialization going to be? In this David versus Goliath battle, we need to do it asymmetrically. What are our strengths? It's software, it's AI.

90% of tech market cap in the world is American. To say we're dominant there understates the case, really.

So, how do we leverage the innovation base that we have in the country to actually win? When they say open, like, for example, famously, Elon Musk and Allman have this huge rift. because we wanted to make it nonprofit.

Well, can you describe that? For example, if Palantir comes up with AI, then the nuance, another wrinkle to AI that moves it forward, is it open to other companies? Yeah, our approach is we're really the AI infrastructure.

So we sit on top of the models. We help people actually use the AI to drive business use cases. We've automated AIG's insurance underwriting process. We've automated sepsis monitoring at Tampa General Hospital. And so I think what we really see that's happening out there is that deep-seek moment.

China released their kind of stolen open model as an attack on American AI. And very clearly, there's an important and big role for open models. That's the foundation of the stack, and we need American companies building on American AI.

So you say as CTO, you feel like you joined the Army. You talk about your personal journey. Your dad was in a mud hut in India, and now you sit here at the top of one of the leading companies in the country in Silicon Valley. But what do you mean you're in the Army? I have literally been direct commissioned, a lieutenant colonel in the U.S.

Army Reserve. I helped start a new program, me and three other folks, the CTO of Meta, the chief product officer of OpenAI, and the former chief research officer of OpenAI. We hope we're the first. Mm-hmm. Four of many.

After our commissioning ceremony last Friday, thousands of people in tech reached out. I've spent the last 20 years building a bridge between tech and DC. And I think to have the next level of impact, I actually had to put on the uniform and cross that bridge to walk many miles in the footsteps of our brave U.S.

soldiers.

So, your brain and your experience got you past boot camp?

Well, yeah, that's right.

Well, I have my fitness test coming up at the end of July. You're fit, by the way. People watch you on radio. We're on stream, but you're very, you're a very fit guy. But it means a lot to you.

You're a patriotic guy. Absolutely. And I think the importance, I took a lot away from my dad's journey. You know, we were living in Nigeria at the time. Dad was very successful at a young age.

There was a horrible armed robbery in the house. They almost executed dad. They killed the dog. We left all of our earthly possessions behind and started over again in Orlando. And dad was never successful again later in life.

And I think that it's kind of a more interesting version of the American dream. But dad always reminded us of the counterfactual. But for the grace of this nation, you'd be dead in the ditch in Lagos. You know, it is about life, liberty, and possibility. What is here could not happen anywhere else.

Yeah, I remember I was doing a speech in Pennsylvania and I got picked up by a guy and we were engaging. We had a 45-minute ride to the airport. And he said, you know, I've come from India here. You know, I have the American dream, but I'm still driving a car. I go, oh, so I go, About your family?

He goes, Well, my one son's at West Points, another one at Indianapolis, the other one's at Yale. And I go. It is the American dream. Exactly. You're doing the hard work.

Your kids appreciate it. They see you. They're going to be successful. That's how it starts. And that we will defend.

So, yeah, so that's really what it is. It's like building up your legacy, appreciating what you have. On a side note, I hear Nigeria is the most successful. A country to come to the US predominantly, when they come here, they usually do better than almost everybody else. Do you remember the infrastructure there that led to this?

Well, it's a long. That was the early 80s for me.

So I think a lot of it has to do with mindset, you know, grit, determination, a willingness to work hard. gratitude for the opportunities that are in front of you. And by the way, we're speaking to Shyam Shanker. He's Palantir's Chief Technology Officer.

So one big thing that people are worried about is retaliation from the situation we're in right now. And one thing that Iran prides themselves on is their cyber attacks, the ability to hack Should we be worried about this?

Well, we shouldn't underestimate them. You know, I'm really the CTO in the engine room. I view my role as making sure the president re-elected Donald J. Trump for a reason. He's the right man to lead us through this, has all of the information at his fingertips.

He can understand what the adversary is thinking and doing, and has all the options available to him. I think it's clear that the American people and the president have said that Iran should not have a bomb. There are many ways to accomplish that. I think we should be thoughtful. They have tried to hurt the president directly in the past.

So I think it is a very complicated situation, but we're seeing changes that I think no one would have really imagined two years ago. Would uh what I find fascinating is that The whole signal problem where everyone has to use a signal app for security was because over the last four years, China has burrowed into all our communications at the federal level.

So no one can, basically, you can't. We have not been told how you communicate at that highest level. Is there anything you guys can do with Silicon Valley to help us out there? Absolutely. I think that's a big part of the Executive Innovation Corps that we put together with the U.S.

Army, which I hope the other services will replicate as well. Like, we have the talent base to solve many of these problems. It's really about organization and focus. How do we go after these things quickly? How do we protect?

I mean, how do you intell how do you protect intellectual property? We have a large surface area to protect. The way our offense versus defense is very asymmetric. We're very good at offense. We kind of leave a lot of doors open on the defense side.

Uh t To illustrate another example of that, if you look at Operation Spiderweb, Ukraine attacked Russia from Russian soil. If you look at the first strikes that happened in Iran, it was actually the Israelis built bases on Iranian soil from which they launched those attacks. I think as we think about that offense-defense dialectic there, we need to be thinking about how we protect the homeland and make sure that the land the Chinese are buying near our bases are not weaponized against us. And lastly, big picture question. I heard J.D.

Vance describe Silicon Valley as this: the social media companies, those other companies, they tend to be more left. He goes, these AI companies emerging tend to be a little bit more balanced. Can you shed some light into that? Because these are people not on a page or a bio, these are the people you know. Yeah, you know, there is this emergence of the tech right.

And I think the historical MAGA base is a little skeptical of them. Where did they come from? But there's a belief in American exceptionalism, a belief in being able to do things, a willingness to serve the national interest, a gratitude for everything that America's created. And I think that's the kernel from which Silicon Valley is rebuilding itself. It's a return to the normalcy.

We forget that in the 50s, Lockheed Martin was the largest employer in Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley's roots are in defense. That's where the valley came from. But there was a point where around the last years of George Bush, Google and other companies were going, we don't want you to use our technology for the Pentagon or defense. I thought that was unpatriotic.

It was derangement, actually.

So I think that's the deranged period of the Valley. And we're getting back to normalcy and clarity of thought and gratitude for the nation. Have you seen, Eric, you were saying that Iran has hacked some of our cameras in the past? Yeah, Israel is warning that Iran can hack our cameras. I mean, that's how real the technology that you guys are working on are.

Absolutely. So you think they're capable? Yeah, they're capable. They're very capable. Uh North Korea too?

Yes, North Korea. They you know, they have a whole Bitcoin theft ring that helps them finance their existence. And you know, the the smaller cu cyber is a very asymmetric capability. You don't have to be very big. You don't have to have a lot of GDP to be able to do it.

We're not bad at it either as a nation, but defense is much harder than offense. And lastly, Sean, just as an outsider, usually when you have the type of skills that you have, you work for the federal government, it's usually like six figures, $100,000, $200,000. You don't get rich there.

So, how do you attract the best talent? Do you have to have a mindset of this is my service? Absolutely. So this is actually the problem I hope to spend the most time with the U.S. Army on, which is talent, empowering the rebels.

If you look at the, it's always the heretical people who come up with the great. John Boyd was so despised within the Air Force, but he's the guy who built the F-16. He was pushing against the grain. You look at Admiral Rickover, who built the nuclear Navy. I mean, he was so hated at the U.S.

Naval Academy. They tore his page out of the yearbook, but he built the nuclear Navy, one of our last remaining asymmetric advantages here.

So how do I help empower the heretics that are already there inside of the department? And if I know people who resent you, I know you're doing a great job. Exactly. All right. Sham Shanker, thanks so much.

Palantirs, lucky to have you. Thanks so much for sharing it here. And congratulations on joining the Army. Thank you. Back in a moment.

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Get the podcast five days a week at FoxNewsPodcasts.com or wherever you download your favorite podcasts. Radio that makes you think. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Yeah, I went a little long, but man, that was a fascinating conversation. You don't realize how much talent is out and about that maybe isn't in media circles or expertise circles, but self-made success story: 19 years at Palantir and now in the Army.

And how smart is it? I don't know if that's Secretary Hagseth's idea. How smart is it to go into Silicon Valley? He says, instead of just helping us as a contractor, why don't you join? And the patriotism out on the West Coast.

Politics aside, it's got to worry Democrats big time. Because for the longest time, they had the West Coast, they had the elite, they had the Hollywood, they had the famous, they had the rich, and they had the tech geeks. Not anymore. And a lot of it has to do with their own doing. And the fact is, it Anybody who spent any time in national security?

The most it could be in infantry. You know how much you need intelligence and communication and who's got it? We got the best.

Well, that's private. It's nothing to do with the military.

Well, now they're saying why don't we just mix it together?

So keep your job, keep your benefits, and you serve. Just like, for example, people don't bring up Doge that much anymore. But do you see the people that worked in Doge, they're in their twenties and thirties.

Some of them established in their sixties and seventies. This is their way of serving the country. you know for the average person to make fifty thousand dollars is good But for people coming from that line of work and that occupation, it's unbelievably low.

So, you gotta give people that sense of service, and putting them in is a fantastic idea. General Jack Keene next on the chances of us actually bombing out Fordo and what the two-week wait is actually about that the president brought up yesterday. Power, Politics and the People Behind the Headlines. I'm Miranda Devine, New York Post columnist and the host of the brand new podcast, Podforce One. Every week I'll sit down for candid conversations with Washington's most powerful disruptors, lawmakers, newsmakers and even the President of the United States.

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Every U.S. president going back decades has made clear that Iran could not have a nuclear weapon. Republicans and Democrats. Congress has made clear they cannot have a nuclear weapon. The fact is we're at a point where they almost undoubtedly have a nuclear weapon.

And so, this is the moment if we are going to take action to do so. And I believe that the President is within his rights, and I do believe it's the right decision. To use The B-52s to conduct an operation to eliminate the threat. But I think you meant B-2s. I think B-52s can do it, but I've been told that B-2s will do it if we are to drop the bunker busters at the Ford O nuclear plant or any other targets.

Retired General, Four Star General Jack Keene, joins us now, Chairman for the Institute of the Study of the Award, Fox News Senior Strategic Analyst. General, welcome back. Talk John TV twice. It was great. With the news is always evolving.

With Mike Lawler said, the Congressman thoroughly believes that the president is within his rights to do it. And you have told me you think this is an historic opportunity to take out this program. Yeah, I mean, certainly the ending this nuclear threat that is very real. The Israelis have attacked twelve nuclear sites plus They damaged and destroyed a lot of it, but this final site is impregnable in the sense to normal conventional bombs and aircraft. And obviously the Israelis could do something on the ground here And maybe also take down the power grid that supports it and the ventilation system.

But there there's a lot more risk associated with that. And then they may not actually accomplish the mission and risk the personnel, but also may not accomplish the mission.

So the best way to do it, obviously, is the capability we have. I mean, there's not 100% guarantee it'll do exactly what we want it to do, but there's no other alternative that's better. And certainly it's worth giving a go with this. Eisenhower, when he launched the Normandy invasion, he asked him what's the chances of success here. He said it was 50-50.

But the alternative for him also was is that they couldn't succeed against Germany if they didn't do it.

So That's where we are here. We can't let these folks have a nuclear weapon, then we should try to take it off the table once and for all. I think when you look at it strategically and really see where Iran is now. With Hamas and Hezbollah decapitated, the Houthis shut down in terms of. taking control of the Suez Canal and the Red Sea because they were interfering with international trafficking.

The Iraqi and Syria militia that work for the Iranians are back in their box. None of these folks are providing any assistance to Iran whatsoever, which is absolutely amazing. Russia and China, nothing coming forward to assist the Iranis. They are completely isolated. And I think the reason is People see this that Iran is close to the end.

in terms of being finished. As the dominated adversarial power in the region.

So, strategically, this is significant importance. That actually goes beyond the obvious ominous threat of a nuclear weapon, which is staggering in itself. But we reset. the strategic table in the Middle East as a result of bringing Iran to its knees like this. And and that and I think And the result will be a pathway for normalization.

with the Arab states and Israel. And clearly, the Middle East will change completely as a result of it.

So, the strategic implications of this, in addition. to the tactical and operational. uh implications are are pretty significant.

So just looking at their proxies and what they could be thinking, you know, we have this Elizabeth Kendall, a Middle East expert, says the Houthis are stunned on how Iran has been beaten up on this. Says they're probably thinking we should be lie low at the moment and start maneuvering around and give ourselves and not reveal locations. They also say that in Iraq, the Shiite militia leaders have become so worried about the technology of Israel that they're using burner phones, changing their location, changing their numbers. They're almost afraid to do anything. They don't know because Israel has been so proficient at targeting these leaders.

Oh, yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right. And I think we haven't seen the last. of Israel's surprise is The uh, I mean, I've talked to the Israeli generals that are uh helping to participate in this operation, and I mean, it it is. And they said, you know, to me, they said, General, listen, what we have achieved exceeded all of our expectations. I mean, they took down all 70.

of their air defense batteries. They have hit Forty-one military sites and destroyed the capability at those sites. They As you mentioned on television, they've hit twelve nuclear sites, either damaged or destroyed. They've hit four energy sites. And the leadership targets, there's 45 of them.

And many of these people were is a missile Either in their apartment or in their office, or uh when they were attending a meeting, uh The military generals at the very outset. I mean, quite staggering in terms of. Can you the exquisite intelligence that the Israelis have? And obviously, the entire Iranian Air Force is done. It's over.

It doesn't exist anymore.

So, yes, Iran is on its knees here, Brian, and the The coup d'etat, so to speak, the final thing is just to take away their nuclear capability. And I think they're going to be extremely vulnerable, this leadership inside of Iran, to some type of regime change. And we're not talking about any invasion to do a regime change. This nonsense about forever wars that people are talking about, that doesn't apply here. We're not invading Iran to change the regime.

We're not going to occupy Iran on the ground. We're not going to do any nation building with Iran. This is a limited strike in support of Israel's war. And if the Iranians are going to retaliate against us And that changes everything and it becomes our war.

So shut them down as a result of that retaliation. I really w would find it hard to believe that the Iranians would have a very strong retaliation To what we're doing with one strike to take down the Fordo site, even though that's very important to them, because I think they know then that the survival of the regime. would really be be uh in in doubt. Evidently the vice president and and Witkoff have been told, get ready to go to the Middle East to have talks. But already, Iran has rejected Trump's call for surrender with war with Israel, and they said they were not going to stop enriching.

So I know about the culture and they don't want to look like they're weak, but the world, I mean, the facts are the facts. That's not the rhetoric that's going to stop Donald Trump from bombing out Florida, is it? Yeah. Absolutely not. And for our audience to understand what is really going on.

in the mind of the Ayatollah and his leadership. Group. They have built a nuclear industry and a vast enterprise. Actually Closest. Yeah, yeah.

So they have huge redundancy in multiple centrifuge sites, multiple enrichment sites. Manufacturing and supply chains away from these nuclear sites. Uh this is A significant industry, and they built it with the idea in mind. that it can absorb an air attack. survive it recover And rebuild.

That is where the Ayatollah is. That is why, Brian. for the last number of weeks. They came in and they said, listen, we want to maintain our enrichment capability only for civil nuclear power, because that's nonsense as we all know it. But And then when we say, no, we want you to voluntarily dismantle your whole enterprise.

And they said, that's not going to happen, we're never going to do that. And why aren't they never going to do it? For the reason I just stated, the Ayatollah believes they would rather accept the airstrike, which is right going on now, than voluntarily dismantle the enterprise with verification. If they do that, it's over. They think they can still survive this thing, and they're betting on the fact and actually hoping that Donald Trump gets frustrated with this whole process.

and doesn't attack. and break down the Ford complex. That's that's what they really want.

So what with him waiting two weeks, if he does do the attack, most everyone says that the bunker busters are the 30,000 pound bomb. From what we know about Ford Over and how you've been briefed, General Keene, do you believe that the bunker busters will be effective? A couple of them, one goes in, the second one follows? Yes, I do think they'd be effective. Nothing is 100% and guaranteed, you know, for sure.

I mean, we have not used this device So take down a facility that's underneath a mountain of rock. And from an engineer perspective, if it was. a facility underneath a building there's no doubt that we would be able to destroy the underground facility. Because I've been told the the cement structure itself helps to focus the energy of the blast when you're underneath a mountain of rock and the separation that's in that rock, it dissipates some of the energy of the blast.

So I'm not an engineer. I'm not a scientist. This is out of my field, but I'm just Yeah. But that doesn't mean that We shouldn't do it because it may be challenging. Let's get it done.

The alternative. is some kind of a ground operation to be done with all the inherent risks on it. It's likely we can do this. And we're not going to find out until we try it. And I think we should.

I want you to hear just with the ramifications. If we go ahead and do this, what the message is to our other enemies, Cut 9 is General Tykert. He's the former senior defense attaché in the Middle East and former Deputy Undersecretary of Foreign Affairs, Cut 9. The world is watching right now what is going on in Iran, both because of Israeli activities and the support from the United States. And whether it's Putin or Xi or Kim Jong-un, they're trying to determine whether the United States has both strength of capability and will.

And if we do, then that provides a huge deterrent factor. And if we do not, then it causes them or entices them to consider malign activities around the world. You agree it has bigger, it's a bigger story than just Iran? Oh, yeah, the strategic implications. Whenever the United States is involved in X, In trying to achieve some end state for one of our allies and partners here, the whole world is watching.

Can you imagine? I mean, the president just came back from the Middle East. He talked to the Arabs there. And they, you know. privately, all the Arab states, they don't want Iran with a nuclear weapon.

And they're looking at this thing. And if the president doesn't come to the aid of our closest ally in the region at its most significant moment, When they're trying to end the nuclear enterprise, which is an existential threat to their country. If we're not willing to come to the aid of Israel under those conditions, Can you imagine what MBS in Saudi Arabia or MBC in the UAE or the Kuwait leadership or the Bahrain leadership is saying?

Well, what are the chances that they would come to our assistance? if we were in trouble with Iran. And certainly our other allies and partners, namely Taiwan is looking at this. uh and South Korea and the Philippines and Australia. you know, through the same kind of lens.

And I totally agree with him. the Russians and And the Chinese and the North Koreans, as well as the Iranians, when President Trump got elected, they had to completely reassess. They had their way with the Biden administration for four years, and they have been. Cautiously looking at every move President Trump makes in terms of. How much aggression, how much can they get away with?

At the expense of U.S. leadership, because they believe they had their way with the previous administration. It's not isolated that this war. in in Ukraine. It's not isolated, certainly, that Iran operationalized its proxies.

and there's war in the Middle East and that Iran attacked attacked Through its proxies, US bases in Iraq and Syria, where our troops were over three hundred and fifty times during the Biden administration with the intention of driving us out of those bases. up in our bags and going home.

So they know that there's a different leader here. And yes, is this something of a test? For him, in the sense of what they think of his willingness to come to the defense of an ally. Yeah, absolutely. And so far, am I to conclude, General, that you think the hit will happen and you think it should happen at Fordo?

Right? Yes, yes, I do because I'm convinced in my own mind the Ayatolo will never voluntarily dismantle the program. He's going to take his chances on whether we can dismantle it. Got it. And general, lastly, I also think once this gets done and resolved, we have to let Ukraine, let the Russians know what's back in Ukraine.

I know it's political, it's a football, but we have to back Ukraine. We got to worry about our own defense. We only have a certain amount of armaments. I don't know why it's taking so long to ramp up. We've had this alarm, five-alarm fire for now two and a half years, but get them the weapons they need to continue to survive.

Yeah, I totally agree with that. And that's the only thing that Putin really pays attention to. I know the sanctions will hurt him, but he always believes he can manipulate around sanctions, and there's evidence to support that. But the increased military assistance, that's what makes a difference. That changes the battlefield.

And and listen. He's thirty-nine months into this war and he still hasn't come close to top-linning Ukraine. Think of that. This is the biggest military in Europe. And he's lost his half.

literally half of this conventional military doing this. You know, he's had three hundred thousand plus dead and seven hundred thousand plus wounded and lost half. More than half of his inventory of tanks, artillery. All armored vehicles, and the list goes on and on and on. And he hasn't.

come close. to taking the country down. That's kind of where we how many more years do you think he can do that? If the United States is willing to continue to support Ukraine, not money, that would bring him to the negotiating table and say, okay. Let's make some kind of a deal here.

And he also did the impossible. He woke up all of NATO. Between Trump's attitude towards NATO and Putin's aggression, NATO now realizes they got to start spending on defense. General Jack Keene, thanks so much. It's been great.

Look forward to talking to you again. Yeah, always good talking to you, Brian, and your audience. Thank you very much. Absolutely. So now you got the latest.

Brian Kilmicho, back with you in a moment. Coming to you on a need-to-know basis, because Mandy, you need to know, it's Brian Kilmead. The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmead. We do just need to be clear here.

That would ordinarily be quite a deadline, but the president says two weeks all of the time. It's really this kind of verbal crutch that he uses that he often doesn't mean.

So it's hard to know exactly what he means here. He's used this recently when he's talking about Ukraine, what to do about Ukraine and Putin. It's going to be in two weeks. All the way back to the beginning of his term, whether it was a healthcare plan to replace Obamacare or it was his infrastructure plan, most of these two-week promises never happen.

Some of them do, but not within two or sometimes the two to three weeks, as he will sometimes say. He makes a lot of these Fortnite references. And so this is really tricky as we try to parse this. Yeah, no doubt about it. That is an absolute nutty comment.

But Brianna Keiller thinks they got a theme. President likes to give two weeks. Or he could actually be doing the same thing he did before. Hey, round six of talks on Sunday. Oops, Israel's bombing on Friday.

He could say within two weeks. Weeks and do it in two days. I don't know what that does for their montage and that great theory. Or you could go back and say, hey, for four years, you pretended like Joe Biden was actually making decisions and was using his whole brain. And now you want to go inside the numbers when it comes to.

goes to Trump and say, I think that he's just buying time. Wow, we're going to take your analysis, by the way, and we could actually toss that right in the garbage with everything else that comes out of that network. Brian Kilmead Show, so glad you're here. I'm going to see you tomorrow night. Yes, on WHIO, Dayton, Ohio.

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Welcome from 40th and 6th of Midtown Manhattan, heard around the country, around the world. James Kimmel Jr. is going to be with us: The Science of Revenge, Understanding the World's Deadliest Addiction and How to Overcome It. We're also going to be taking your calls and welcoming in the leading. Uh the leading I guess adversary to the current Iranian administration, the head of the MEK is going to be with us, or the deputy director of the Washington Office of the National Council of Resistance of Iran.

So, before we get to Ali Raza Jeffersarzaza, let's get to the big three. Number three. The White House honestly is being very good at working with me, setting up a process with senators, House members, OMB, but it's going to take a little bit more time.

So we're all working good faith. This is just, this was an aggressive deadline. Yep, one week to go for Republicans to write and pass the Big Beautiful Bill. It's a future, is a future very much in doubt in the short term, especially with the deadline of July 4th. We'll break it all down for you.

Number two. They're walking out of this courthouse. Taken away from their families. They don't have the lawyers. And that's why the state of New York.

is providing $50 million to cover legal services. For people who find themselves in this situation. What an embarrassing governor. The world is upside down. ICE looked at as the enemy, as assaults on agents are up 500%.

Arrests multiply as we try to rid ourselves of the Biden illegal invasion, and Governor Hokul wants to give millions of your money, taxpayer dollars, for a legal defense. Ugh. I have a message directly from the President based on the fact that there's a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future. I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks.

So that is Caroline Levitt, yesterday, press secretary. Hurry up and wait. Could be a head fake as President Trump considers bunker busters to take out Iran's heavily fortified Ford One plant. We're going to break down the decision and the latest in the war on Iran. And there's a lot at stake because, number one, Iran has been our enemy, not for the last few weeks or the last few years, for the last 40 plus years.

We know that. They've killed Americans. They will continue to try to assassinate our current president. They put a death watch on Secretary of State, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, as well as former National Security Advisor John Bolton and others, Brian Hook. And they're saying, okay.

Uh we're gonna kill these guys. That's okay. We're a superpower. Why are we taking?

Well, we don't want to start a big war.

Well, the militia is in Lebanon, the militia over in Gaza, and there's another one in Yemen. What can you do about it? Let's try to avoid getting this into a big war.

Well, now we have an opportunity to really bring him to its knees. And there's a lot at stake. We know what's going on in Israel. Every day, they're receiving less and less rockets and missiles going their direction because it looks as though the Iranians are. are running out.

Missile defense is not perfect, but they're doing great. And now, Iran is basically with no missile defense, almost no defense. They have no air forts, it's all been destroyed. And now, every one of their 12 Nuclear sites Have been hit. Not destroyed, but hit.

Here's Dave Ignatius on the delay, cut four of the Washington Post. The Iranians have not trusted Trump to deliver. Sh That's one reason these negotiations have not succeeded.

Somehow, if Trump wants to succeed, he's got to build more trust than he has now, assuming the Supreme Leader remains alive. That's another wildcard. If he should be killed in this period, I think that's the end of negotiations. But with a little more trust and a serious effort by Trump, for the first time, you can see the outlines of a deal might be possible. Couple of things.

Who cares if they trust us or not? They have very few options. Surrender, destroy your nuclear plants, or we will. That should be it. I don't care about trust.

That's fact. Ali Raza Jafarzada joins us now. He's the deputy director of the Washington Office of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, and he's been basically fighting them and trying to get back in there for forty years. Ali Raza, welcome back. Thank you so much, Brian.

Always a pleasure to be on your show. How much damage has been done already to the defense of Iran? Brian, I think what's even more important than all of the facts that everyone is following on the media is actually how we got here, what got us to the situation, the current crisis and war. Unfortunately, since 2002, when we first exposed the nuclear site in Nat Hans and Iraq in August of 2002. Can I stop you right there?

So we were dealing with a nuclear program and we thought we had all the facts, but it was you guys. That said, no, no, they haven't told you about this other secret plant, Natan's, which I think has been destroyed. But go ahead. Yes, absolutely, Brian. You know, that exposure in August of 2002 about Nathanzan-Iraq triggered for the first time the inspections of Iranian nuclear sites by the IAEA.

And then we exposed several other major nuclear sites and not only enrichment, but we showed that there is a solid plan for building the bomb. The Xi'an Lavisan site that was the core and the brain of their nuclear bomb making, we exposed it and the regime raised the buildings before they allowed the IAEA inspections, which again, they still found traces of highly rich uranium. In 2005, we exposed the site in Fardo, underground site under the mountains. Unfortunately, no one did anything about all of these revelations about over 100 cases of exposure of these sites. Instead, The Western nations led by Europe rushed to appease the Ayatollahs.

And then various administrations here in the United States, I think the most vivid case was the Biden administration, gave them pallets of cash in 2015 that led to the nuclear deal, the so-called CPOA. And what did that do, Brian? They legitimized the nuclear weapons program of the regime. This side Fardot that we're talking about now is part of the JCPOA that they can have that place running. They can have a thousand centrifuges there.

Guess what? This is the place that they are enriching uranium up to 60%, which is just a screwdriver's turn away from weapons-grade material.

So, my point is that it was the appeasement that led to where we are, to the war and crisis that we're currently facing. But one thing that no one really paid attention was the Sentiment and the views of the people of Iran. That's why we expose these nuclear sites. The people reject the nuclear program because they see that as a guarantee for the survival of the mullahs. It's not just the way they're threatening others, they're threatening their own people by staying in power.

So they're draining.

Okay, so having said that, this has been going on for about a week, and they're going to keep hitting. Israel knows exactly what they're doing. What do your sources say is happening inside Iran now? With nuclear scientists being shot, commanders in the CUD force being killed, different commanders being killed in their beds. What's changed on the ground, if anything?

Well, certainly, I mean, the whole thing has clearly shifted that the regime has never faced this situation before because they always counted on what they had seen in the past, that no one is willing to put up against the Ayatollahs, that they can always get away with things. The same way they got away with their terrorism, with their development, nuclear weapons, with their missile program. Right now, the situation has shifted. The main concern that Tehran has is the population itself, how they're going to actually rise up against the Iran regime. And it's not in a vacuum because since 2018, there were several rounds of major uprisings against the Iran regime.

People calling for change, chanting death to Khamenei, death to the oppressor, be the Shah or the Supreme Leader. They're concerned that if the next round of the uprisings start, they may not survive it. They're concerned about those resistance units on the ground, those who are confronting the revolutionary guards, because at the end of the day, they have the example. Of Syria before them. Syria seemed to be so invincible 11 days before they actually fell.

And so things have changed both in the region. But Ali Raza, when you say there's resistance, I know about you guys, you're on the outside. What other resistance on the inside? We see people rise up and we see em get put into jail or murdered on the site on site. They don't have the guns.

Well, that's exactly what the point is. Inside Iran, the MEK that you mentioned, that was responsible for exposing all of the key sites, nuclear sites of Iran, they have what they call resistance units on the ground in various cities and towns. They were the ones who were acting as engine for change. They're the ones who are right now confronting revolutionary guards, of course, by doing, you know, burning the pictures of the supreme leader and the commanders of revolutionary guards to show that the regime is not 10 feet tall. But at some point, you know, the people will have to come to the confrontation with revolutionary guards.

That's why it's so important for the U.S. to recognize the right of the people to overthrow this regime, to recognize the right of those resistance. We want us to say, we want to understand the government. But as you know, we don't want our hands on regime change. We don't want to prop up another country.

We don't want to pick their leaders. We want Iran to pick their leaders. And we saw what happened in Libya. They still have not really had a centralized government since Gaddafi was brutally killed.

So, how do you see this playing out?

Well, that's exactly the point that I'm making. I think, you know, the head of the president of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, she appeared before a hearing in the House right here via satellite. And when she was asked, what do you want from the United States, she said, let me tell you what we don't want. We don't want any foreign boots on the ground, no appropriation of money. The people of Iran have everything to bring about change in the country.

All the United States needs to do is to recognize the new realities on the ground. You don't want the Iraqi-style involvement. You don't want anything like that because Iran is extremely different than all the other things. Iran does have an alternative. You know, Mrs.

Maryam Rajabi, who heads the Parliament in Exile, the NCRI, she appeared before the European Parliament 21 years ago at this time saying that, you know, the choice is not just between the appeasement and war. There is a third option. You know, you need to rely on the people of Iran. And she appeared just two days ago again saying that because you invested on appeasement, you are now facing this crisis and war. But the only way out of it without the involvement of the United States or any foreign countries is to rely on the people of Iran, which have shown their ability, their power.

It's not easy to know about the intelligence, about the nuclear sites of Iran, and yet this movement has exposed all of them. They expose the terror operations of the Iran regime. They have been the main target of the killings inside the country. But also, they have offered a solution to the US. One thing I hear is the Revolutionary Guard, if the Ayatollah is killed and the clerics are wiped out, the Revolutionary Guard steps up and they become a military dictatorship.

Do you see that scenario? No, because this is a clerical system. The whole system is built on the authority of the supreme leader. The guards are meant to protect the supreme leader. If the system cracks in any way or shape, whether it's revolutionary guards or the supreme leader, they lose control over the whole thing.

And there's not a scenario that you would have, you know, the country becoming like a military rule by the revolutionary guards because the control comes from the top. But most importantly, look at the reality on the ground in the past several rounds of uprisings in Iran. You know, in all 31 provinces, it wasn't just a certain area of the country or a certain sector of the society or just intellectuals. No, even the poor, the deprived, the smaller towns and cities were involved in the uprisings. The people see the revolutionary guards as their suppressors, but also as the plunderers of their wealth and of the nation.

So there is no chance for this regime, once the equilibrium changes, there's no chance for them to survive. And I think I mentioned the case of Syria, because Syria played a big role in the overall strategy of the regime. The regime relied on Syria and Hezbollah and others, what they call strategic depth, for their survival. All of that is gone. This regime is much weaker than it has ever been.

And the thing is, the Syria thing can't be underestimated because Hezbollah was diminished and Russia was distracted. It allowed people to rise up and take out the minority Shia government, right? And the Shia government, unlike the population, was affiliated with Iraq. but the population was mostly Sunni. You know, the lesson learned from Syria is that, first of all, it displayed the weakness of the regime.

And if there was anything the regime could do to keep Assad in power, they would have done it as they did about seven, eight years before that. But the most important thing is that there was an organized force on the ground that started moving against the, you know, against the Syrian government. Everyone dismissed that chance. And that's the same situation in the country in Iran. There is this organized force that they carried out about over 3,000 operations against the regime in Iran.

No one is paying attention to that. They're only relying on the reports about the mullahs, the negotiations, the talks, and the strikes and all of that. They don't pay attention on the. From what you know, just real quick, I'm up against the clock. If we hit Fordo.

Do they does Iran make the decision to try to hit us? Because in a way that would be suicide.

Well, you know, the Iran regime has been at war with the rest of the world for the past few days. Just yes or no. What do you think? Ali, just yes or no. Do you think they make the decision to hit us in Iraq or somewhere else?

Let me tell you this. If there was anything they could have done so far, you know, they've already done it. This is a regime that is so weak and so vulnerable. This is the new reality of Iran, both in terms of the regime, but also in the sentiment of the population and the prospect for change. Ali Raza, Chafarz of the Thanks so much for joining us.

Let's hope you and your group are in power because we love an ally. Uh in Iran. Thank you, Ali. Thank you, Brian. Always a pleasure.

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I'll get to your calls next. It's Brian Killmead. The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead. Look, I will go to my grave believing that the debate was intentional.

Yeah. I need it done, and General Mally Dylan will deny it until they're blue in the face. And if I were in their shoes and I did it, I'd deny it until I was blue in my face, okay? Like, you know, I'm an Occam's razor guy, right? But nobody's ever going to cop to it.

I mean, you know, people will, it'll be on deathbed diaries before we find out the truth about that. And but I absolutely, there was no other reason. This idea, well, we needed to shake up the race. in late June. Who shakes up a racer?

I totally agree. I don't have facts because I don't have context with the Biden people, but I thoroughly agree. And I said at the time, why the hell do they want to debate, period, let alone debate early? He was just getting convicted in May. Why debate?

James in Florida. Hey, James. Which are you mine? I believe that you're missing a very important talking point about these bunker-busting bombs. Go ahead.

Since the U.S. is the only ones that have the capabilities. To deliver such a weapon, why not just let. Israel buy the bombs and the planes. Because they're not trained on them.

I've already asked, but that was a good point. Lance in Galloway, New Jersey. Lance. Hey, great. Good morning, Brian.

Thanks for taking my call. Brian, your previous guest was very articulate and passionate, but he's still acting a little bit like Blanche Duvois, where he's relying on the kindness of total strangers. And the United States is no stranger. And here's another thing. I know you want to get people to come to the table to negotiate, but this is a three-legged table.

It's never going to be equal or a flat surface where everybody's cards are there. And the bottom line is If you can't, cause Putin is already ready to put his Good glass. People in the uh The friggin', what is it? The nuclear power plants oversee them.

So there's one shadow. You got Chi depending on 80 to 90 percent of China's oil. There's another shadow. Lance, I got you. Good point.

I don't want negotiations. I want him to bomb right away. I hope he does it within the next two days. I have no faith in negotiations, zero. But you bring up great points, it shows you're really right in.

He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Killmead. Welcome back, everyone. With me in studio is James Kimmel Jr., author of a new book, The Science of Revenge: Understanding the World's Deadliest Addiction and How to Overcome It. James, welcome.

Thank you, Brian. Really a pleasure. You know, revenge, people can think about their own lives. They can think about big stories, big movies. Revenge is always a part of it.

And what made you think this is a perfect subject of a book? What intrigued you about it?

Well, what really intrigued me about it started with my own life, my own experience of revenge seeking primarily as a litigator, a civil litigator, where I was being hired, right, by my clients to. Get revenge on their behalf legally against somebody who wronged them in their lives. Civil suits. Yeah, civil suits, right. I had actually begun as a prosecutor, so criminal as well.

Moved into civil. And as I did that, the more and more I started to feel these, what you get with revenge is this amazing flash of pleasure when you get a win. And that is extremely pleasurable. You want it more and more and more for some people, not everyone. And I began to wonder, am I becoming addicted to this because I was really getting kind of off on these wins?

And my clients were and were willing to pay me enormous amounts of money, like addicts, to just get these wins over and over and over again for them. And that moved me more towards academics to find out what's happening inside your brain when you've got a grievance, you feel like you've been wronged, and you start to develop this craving. And what we see neurologically now inside the brain is that it activates the addiction and reward circuitry of Inside your brain, the same circuitry that's active for drug addiction, alcohol, and gambling. Why doesn't it last? I'm sorry?

Why doesn't it last? Oh, it doesn't last for the same reason that it doesn't for drugs.

So you get this dopamine high, it floats away rather quickly. Same way with narcotics. And so it's this temporary fix. But it leaves you craving, and that's kind of the goal with all addictions, right? You get this high, it feels great, you want another one and another one.

And the brain doesn't sustain it, it can't sustain dopamine presence for very long inside the brain, it's too intense.

So the brain starts to flush it out. But it leaves behind this lasting effect of, I want this again. Can we see this in public? Can we see it in sports? You certainly see it in sports.

You see it with fans. You see it with athletes. And some percentage, and it's just like with other addictions, only maybe we don't know for sure with revenge addiction, but we know that with substance use addiction, only about 20% of people who try alcohol or narcotics actually become addicted to it. And so it looks like about that percentage, same percentage of people, maybe become addicted to revenge. And I would sort of, we could kind of picture that as the people who are in jail, right?

Because this is the, what we know from FBI and Secret Service and public health data from the CDC and behavioral studies around the world is that revenge seeking is the Primary motivation for all forms of intentionally inflicted human suffering and violence. And that goes from bullying on playgrounds, all the way up through intimate partner violence, street and gang violence, violent extremism, all the way up through genocide, terrorism, and war. Is it ever satisfying in reality? It might be perceived satisfying for you. You got him or her back.

But is it really satisfying? No, it never is because it comes with these negative consequences. And that's really the definition of addiction. The definition of addiction is the inability to resist a desire for something powerful despite knowing the negative consequences.

So you know the negative consequences of retaliating against somebody in a certain situation. You do it anyway because you can't control it. That's compulsive revenge seeking. That's what addiction looks like.

So I want you to hear a certain president. bait another future president. And tell me if this fits your book. No one is happier. No one is prouder.

To put this birth certificate matter to rest, banned the Donald. And that's because he can finally get back to focusing. on the issues that matter. Like Did we fake the moon landing? What really happened in Roswell?

And where are Biggie and Tupac? All kidding aside, obviously we all know about your credentials and breadth of experience. Um So That humiliation. At that Washington correspondence dinner, Trump will never say I had anything to do with it. He just shakes it off.

I've asked him directly on camera, off camera. But what do you really think really was going on there? That's exactly what's going on in America today on both sides. The humiliation, the endless shaming of the other, whoever the other is for you, that is intensely gratifying for you. We love.

Major dopamine hits from owning the libs, and we own and get major hits from owning the conservatives. That is part of our brain biology. Can't deny it. We need to move away from it as quickly as possible. It's destructive.

It is hugely destructive.

So, is that really the theme, too? You might do this, you understand it, I define it, but it's still destructive. Hugely destructive. And if we want to go, you know, MAGA, make America great again, we need to start with a make America forgiving again. Because I also have, and I talk about in the book extensively, there is huge, new, amazing neuroscience about the neurology of forgiveness.

And forgiveness undoes. All of this stuff.

So where you have a grievance that is some sense of humiliation or shame and that stimulates your revenge desire, forgiveness, instead of just covering up with a little bit of dopamine the way a revenge hit does, it actually shuts down the pain network in your brain so you don't experience it again. It shuts down the reward and pleasure circuitry of addiction so you're no longer craving revenge and then it reactivates the prefrontal cortex. That's the area of your mind for self-control, executive function, decision-making. Forgiveness is like a wonder drug that works amazing wonders and we just don't use it enough. We think it's weak when it's strength.

It is huge self-healing strength. But you have victim statements in courts.

So, you know, I just saw two days ago this victim's daughter. She was jogging at Randall's Island and she gets beaten by a convicted rapist, never should have been out. And she gets beaten to the point of death. I don't think she's much out of a coma now.

So after his conviction, the daughter gets up and speaks. Would you think it's counter? I understand why the daughter wants him to see her. But do you think for her what's best for her would be to forgive him? Oh, absolutely.

If she wants to. That's the hardest thing ever. It is. And we have the neuroscience that would show that is the only way she'll heal from the pain. There is no other alternative.

We are all hardwired to forgive just as much as we are all hardwired to seek revenge. It's there. The ancient teachings of Jesus and the Buddha and other people who have talked about forgiveness as not only some sort of a pious way to get into heaven, but it is also a living in the moment way of healing from the wrongs of the past and not hurting yourself further. And you're kind of freeing that person from playing a role in your mind and the rest of your life. That's correct.

This is not an example of it. It's an example of negative behavior. Trump wins an election. No one can accept it. And there becomes a mission among Democrats to diminish the victory and undo it.

Here's Adam Schiff. There's this ample evidence of collusion of the campaign, and it's very much in the public record. Have you seen, do you have direct evidence of collision? Collusion with Russia?

Well, I think there is direct evidence, and there is significant evidence of collusion, and we've set that out time and time again. It never happened, didn't exist. An investigation revealed nothing, but there was no hell to pay for that. But Trump keeps in the back of his mind, never says it, but he clearly. knows exactly who was out to get him, who tried to put him in jail after he got out.

That's right. That's right. Trump got elected on the the vision. He said at least back at CPAC, I am your retribution. I mean, he was willing to say, I will become for a large group of people in this country, the drug that you want.

I know you want retribution. I want retribution. I'll do it. But that is the same thing that is also happening on the liberal side. Nobody is forgiving anything, and that is a disaster.

But isn't there a line between street smart? For example, I don't want to be a victim, so I got to learn. You're out to get me. How many times are you going to stab me in the back in the front before I go, wait a second, I've got to get myself some Kevlar and I got to start avoiding those blocks?

So to do that, a lot of times it's an offense. And I'll give you an example. People think he's getting revenge on those law firms. He's neutralizing them because those law firms will weaponize against him and his family.

So even though it's unethical, you guys live in that world, they're maybe perhaps unethical against the bar to go after law firms and make them basically pay in extortion. What he's doing is clearing the field to make sure for the next four years at least you do not take shots and try to destroy him. Yeah. Humans, though, we need to think about what is revenge versus what is self-defense. My book doesn't talk about self-defense.

Self-defense, that's the fight-or-flight instinct. We all have it and we all need it. That's forward-looking against a present or near-term future threat. That's versus revenge-seeking, which is always punishing people for something that happened in the past, no longer exists. It doesn't exist in this real world, it only exists inside your head.

You've got to heal that and clear that out.

So, it's a very slippery slope between punishing a law firm, right, for what they did in the past versus, as you say, clearing the field going forward, right? Where does that line hit? I mean, is he really stopping them? Have they even threatened at all to start coming after him again? No, it's true.

But the law of the jungle is: okay, I know what you're gonna do. You gotta weaponize yourselves again. But you know what's interesting? One of the things he said. is I want you to take a few gra what do they call pro bono cases on causes that whether it's transgender or some causes dear to the conservative source.

So that's almost like a positive I need your expertise to help out other people that can't afford you for causes that are conservative. It is a less that is less negative consequences than shutting down the law firm, right? I mean that he didn't do that, right? He didn't try to say you're all out of business and I'm making it so. But he has that threat behind it.

So there's a lot of revenge and retaliation, you have to admit, going after the law firms is really about His grievance of feeling like every law firm in the nation had gone after him for the last four to eight years. And now it's time for a little bit of payback. That's really what is the root of that. You sit there at the defense table and you seed and you wait and you say, one day. One day, and that day came with a victory.

If his win is a victory, that's a retribution. I'm going to show you. I'm going to win. I'm going to get back in power and do the things I was supposed to be doing the last four years. But when you get in there, you've got to make sure you look forward.

And I think for the most part, he is. That's my opinion. One person who didn't and ran on it was Letitia James, the Attorney General in New York. Listen to her trying to get elected and re-elected. I will never be afraid to challenge this illegitimate president.

When our fundamental rights are at stake, I believe that the President of these United States can be indicted for criminal offenses. Will you sue him for us? Oh, we're gonna definitely assume we're gonna be a real painter with that man in the White House. Who can't go a day? Without threatening our fundamental rights.

Yes, we need to focus on Donald Trump and his abuses. That's what she ran on. Elect me because I'm going to go after him. That is correct. That's as true as him saying, I am your retribution, right?

Both sides are now going after each other, and it's all about the gratification. You can see with Donald Trump, at least I can see it. I don't know how you feel, but it looks to me like he enjoys getting the libs. He feels good. I think the libs feel good.

And when the libs are finally getting after the conservatives, there's a lot of gratification going on there. There is never, though. There is never anybody that goes, you know what? I forgive this. We're moving on.

I'm going to forgive this. The country needs forgiveness. Make America forgiving again is what needs to occur. You know, who has those attributes, his W? George W.

Bush. He really does. He's overhead. Him in Clintons are friends. The father lost to Bill Clinton.

They end up being best friends. It's a great example, isn't it? It really is. And the other thing would be, I think it started with the impeachment. Yeah.

Was Bill Clinton's behavior terrible? Absolutely. It's been confirmed. But the fact that they went over the top and it got so personal and so graphic, I'd be like, okay, I'm going to win and I'm going to get you back. Oh, yeah, I'm going to get you back.

And then it went with the election mess and Gore Bush. I'm going to get you. I don't think you really won. I won the popular vote. I'm going to get you back.

And that started this cycle along with the unpredictable win. And these shames, shame, humiliation, betrayal, those three are some of the most powerful, painful experiences humans can have. It activates the pain circuitry in the brain. You can see it happening. And that triggers this desire to.

Retaliate, they can go from fantasy to violence. Here's my last point, and this doesn't really mean revenge. But motivation. Let's say a couple of people walked up to you in 11th, 12th grade, and whatever you do, you're not. I know you want to be a lawyer, but you're not that smart.

You're never going to be successful. And you go okay, I'll show you. And then you use that feel. I'm going to show you, and you use that as motivation. And it gets you to law school, and you have this successful practice doing well.

Now you're an author, too.

So. Didn't it motivate you in a positive way? In a positive way. And I didn't use it for negative consequences. I used it to better my life.

I didn't attack and harm other people. That's a negative thing. It's a great way to use that desire for revenge to motivate yourself. It's a fantastic way. And actually, I have that exact experience.

I was bullied on a farm as a kid. The bullies came one night, shot and killed our dog. They came back two weeks later, blew up our mailbox. I went after them with a gun, confronted them by cornering them at a barn. And then put the gun down and walked away, thank God, or I wouldn't be here today.

So I know exactly what this is. Is this an episode of Yellowstone? When did you grow up? In the 19th century? What's happening?

Where were you? Central PA. I was in Central PA, and we were hunters. There were guns, and this thing came out at me.

So this got you, this was an intriguing emotion that you wanted to get through. And I cover this in the book. I mean, it's a really, that's my sort of foundational John Wick story, right? I'm kind of, I had to, it was a beagle. I mean, it was just like John Wick.

It's unbelievable. Wow. Yeah. Pretty amazing.

So, and by the way, when you get there and you prove that person, they don't even remember that they said it to you. Right. But you use it as motivation so in the ends justify the means.

Well, I used it to start to get, so I thought, I'll go legalize revenge. I'll go into the professional revenge-seeking business by becoming a lawyer where I can get it legally. And lawyers have the only license, right, to manufacture, distribute, prescribe revenge for the entire population. And that's how we make our money. And it is a lot of money and it's.

A lot of damage.

So there's a lot to think about. It all worked out because it motivates you to great success, and then you write a book about how to solve it. How to solve it, right? It's a win-win story. James Kimball Jr., congratulations on the science of revenge, understanding the world's deadliest addiction, and how to overcome it.

Thanks, James. Thank you, Brian. Right. Illuminating, intriguing, inculcating. I know some of these words.

It's Brian Kilmead. Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. I still stand by the decision to stand with President Joe Biden. Even if we want to say, which I refuse to accept, that Joe Biden was mentally deficient, let me tell you something.

His mental deficiency is still a thousand times better than what we currently have. That is Congresswoman Crockett, and she's in embarrassment. I hope people of Texas understand that. She's saying that Donald Trump. is worse.

Than Joe Biden, and I don't accept Joe Biden's failings. Everybody accepts Joe Biden's failings. Nobody doesn't, except for maybe Jill, which she probably knows the truth. Sandra, New Jersey. Hey, Sandra.

Oh, good morning, Brian. I loved your the person you just had on. What is his last name? I want to buy his. It's very similar to a very familiar name, Kimmel, James Kimmel Jr.

It's called The Science of Revenge. But go ahead, what's on your mind?

Okay, I wanted to say Crockett is so wrong. Donald Trump is such a great man. He's such a deep thinker. I love that he's restraining himself. And you know, he's doing it deliberately.

He once said that Biden reveals himself whenever he's going to make a move. This shows you that he's doing the complete opposite. He's keeping the enemy guessing. And also, I feel That um You know, having the weapons, those nuclear weapons are so dangerous for so many reasons. If they ever had them, They can use that to coerce the whole country.

They can also. Yep, it's extortion. And that's what they were trying to avoid. And we've been trying to avoid that for 15 years. Negotiation wouldn't work.

And if anyone thinks that the Obama deal was going to work, they should have told Democrats like Ben Cardin and Chuck Schumer, who voted against it, and Senator Menendez, who's now in jail. And that would have expired a few years ago. It was a 10-year expiration. It was a terrible deal. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show.

Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kilmead Show.

So glad you're here. We're going to speak to Lisa Daftari shortly, editor-in-chief of the Foreign Desk. She's got fantastic contacts, a lot of family inside Israel. We've been reporting from outside Israel, from Los Angeles, for a long time.

So her perspective is going to be invaluable. Shannon Bream standing by the anchor of Fox News Sunday. Her show is going to be extremely impactful because I do not believe we're going to be waiting two weeks for President Trump to act.

So before we get to Shannon, let's get to the big three. Number three. The White House honestly is being very good at working with me to setting up a process with senators, house members, OMB, but it's going to take a little bit more time.

So we're all working good faith. This is just, this was an aggressive deadline. There you go. That is Senator Ron Johnson.

So far, he's a no on the Senate side, but working to make it a yes. One week to go for the big, beautiful bill. The future is in doubt on their self-imposed July 4th deadline. We'll break it down. Number two.

That are walking out of this courthouse, taken away from their families. They don't have the lawyers. And that's why the state of New York is providing $50 million. to cover legal services. for people who are finding themselves in this situation.

That is your taxpayer money going for illegals to stay here after they came here illegally, many of which are criminals. The world is upside down. ICE looked as the enemy, assaults of ICE agents up 500%. And arrests multiply as we try to rid ourselves of the Biden illegal alien invasion. Number I have a message directly from the president.

Based on the fact that there's a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks. There you go. Hurry up and wait. Could we be getting a head fake from President Trump? We're going to break down the decision to not bomb Fordo or anything else while Israel continues to amp up their attacks.

And it looks like. Iran running out of rockets. Shannon Bream joins us now. Shannon, pretty dynamic time in American military history. Absolutely is.

And with so many things on the line, I agree with you that I don't think President Trump waits two weeks. He said, as you heard Caroline say, within two weeks.

So I'm with you. I don't think that we have to wait that long to decide on day 14 if something's going to happen or not. Yeah, so when we look at Fordo, I understand the president wants to weigh the risk and the retaliation and not getting gummed up. What I find fascinating is some in his own orbit, some big supporters are divided on this and don't mind speaking out about it. I wonder what the impact of Steve Bannon's visits to the White House had on the delay.

Have you thought about that? Yeah, I have because, you know, they had lunch together. He's been a very outspoken voice, Charlie Kirk, Tucker, others who were out there. And some of them saying, hey, there's not a civil war within MAGA. This all lines up.

He said, yes, he would get us out of foreign conflicts, but also he's always said that he could never allow Iran to have a nuke and that there is a way potentially to do this in a very targeted strike situation where we're not drawn into a more long-term event, which is what President Trump has always said he didn't want us to be involved in.

So listen, Steve Bannon has been kind of ride or die with him for years and years. And so he's certainly a voice President Trump's going to be considering. Tom Cotton weighed in.

So everyone should understand this isn't just Israel's enemy in Iran. Cut eight, cut seven. Iran is the one that's waged the forever war. They've waged a forever war against the United States and Israel and the civilized world since 1979. And for 25 years, American presidents have been pledging that Iran cannot get a nuclear weapon.

But only one, Donald Trump, actually has done something about it and has said that we're going to bring this chapter to a close soon.

So as you put it, Ford, their deeply buried underground nuclear bunker, has to be closed one way or the other. It can be closed the easy way. It has to be immediately the hard way. Right. Either we blow it up or you blow it up.

That's basically the choice. That's why I think that Iran can keep talking tough, but they have no ability to fight off Israel and to retaliate effectively against us. They'll have a strike, but then it'll be over. Yes, we have to see if they get involved in the Strait of Hormuz. I think that's a big issue and whether they decide during this delay that they're out there doing shady behavior like laying mines or trying to create a real issue there, because that has global impact.

But the point about President Trump being one who has actually taken action, I think when it comes to Israel, you've seen that again and again. There were all kinds of promises over the years. He's the one who actually moved the embassy to Jerusalem. He's the one who actually recognized Jerusalem as the capital. I mean, he's gotten the Abraham Accords done.

He's done things that have been concrete. with respect to Israel that many other people promised, but they never did. By the way, they even Farid Sakari. I was watching him over the weekend and said that by him recognizing Syria right away, despite the complexities, this is when Trump's at his best. His instinct said, do it.

And since that time, they have kicked Russia out of Syria and they have not obviously lifted a finger instead of them being an ally. Assad was an ally. They are an enemy of Iran.

So they're looking for them to fall, and there's no more pressure on Iraq from Assad's government.

So it is really the militia supplied by Iran.

Now, think about it, Shannon, and I know you have. The ramifications of no longer terroristic imperialistic state in Iran. And you think about how Iraq would benefit from that because of how they have their claws in Iraq, in Iraqi politics. Iran is the most powerful player in Iraqi politics. And that would dissipate.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, the ripple effect. I mean, because for most of our lifetimes, I mean, we were little kids when the shop was overthrown and everything changed in the late 1970s.

So for us, All we remember is Iran being this theocratic, very malevolent state that it's been for most of our awareness.

So it would be a generational sea change potentially for generations to come if Iran was, at least the current mullahs and leadership was decapitated essentially out of leadership. And for the people there who tried, years ago the Green Revolution, we watched as they took to the streets and they tried the best they had with the opportunities they had, you've heard again and again Bibi Netanyahu say to the people directly, and you wonder if they're getting the message, to the people of Iran, we are doing this for everyone in this region, for our safety and security, but we're also giving you this opening, this opportunity for you to throw off this regime that has made your lives hell as well. General Carrilla seems to be ascendant and got the respect of the president. I spoke to General Jack Keene about that today. You know, sometimes the president hits it off with people, Mattis originally, and then they fell apart quickly.

But it's not the case with General Carrilla, who was evidently extremely frustrated when we got hit 300 times during the Biden years and almost never hit back.

So Charles Hamilton, the former four-star general, talked about that and talked about what Carrilla has been doing, CUT 16.

Well, I would say that all combatant commanders have a lot of sway. I mean, he's in charge of that theater. At this point, he's reporting directly to the Secretary of Defense and the President. I'm sure he perhaps he was in on the conversation in the situation room today.

So they're going to give him a lot of latitude because at the end of the day, he's responsible for the soldiers, airmen, Marines on the ground. And so he's got a lot of responsibility. And just think, if Korrilla is with him constantly and Pete Hagsett's there, we know how much he, how strongly he feels about Israel. Why would he believe in Sloppy Steve? Uh Bannon over a four-star general that can crumble walls by a s by a long stare.

And you know what great deference he has in respect for the military. And he likes folks like, you know, General Raisin Cain, like General Carrilla. I mean, people who can deliver and get things done. I think that he is really trusting in the advice that he is getting from them. And it's going to be a huge influence on him.

You mentioned those bases and places that got attacked. We lost U.S.

soldiers.

I mean, that was not without impact. And people suffered serious injuries as well.

So there's a lot there that I'm sure that President Trump wouldn't mind avenging if the conditions are right. And we do have outpost bases, a lot of men and women in uniform and other U.S. interests all throughout that region that have to be considered in these decisions. Let's go over if we jog over to immigration. And it looks like the president, as many experts like you thought, you are allowed to take over the National Guard and put them into places for national security.

The Ninth Court did rule that way. For some reason, Gavin Newsom says it's a victory for him. That makes no sense. Having done that, and tactically, that's what the president needs. He needs to tell these liberal cities: if you can't control your streets, I have court-backed ability to actually put your National Guard to do what they should have been doing to begin with.

So, what are your thoughts on that ruling? Did it surprise you?

Well, no, but generally the Ninth Circuit is not conservative. You did have two Republican appointees and one Democrat appointee, but they were unanimous in this, saying he is a commander-in-chief. Statutorily, he has the authority to do this. And so, yeah, he remains now with the ability to call up the National Guard into situations like this one. Governor Gavin Newsom, you know, he can play it for what it is, but it was a SmackDown of him.

Now, whether he decides to file an emergency appeal with the U.S. Supreme Court, wouldn't be surprised to see him do that. I think he will probably lose there. But for all of his bluster, it wouldn't make sense for him to not file that appeal.

So we'll stand by and see if it adds to the list of all these emergency things that we have pending on their docket. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty unbelievable what ICE is now looked at as the enemy in all these different regions. Attacks and assaults are up on them 500 percent as they're being told they're the ones who have to take off the face coverings, not the criminals in the street or the ones causing havoc in the street. Madison Shaheen, the deputy ICE director, spoke up for this maligned agency who I think is doing an incredible job. Cut 25.

The men and women of ICE work every day to keep the American people safe, and it's insane to me to think that politicians are out encouraging people to cause harm to our officers, which is up over 400 percent over the last few years and trying to cause harm to these agents when they're out there doing their job. The Democrats continue to say that nobody is above the law, and yet they will not allow law enforcement officers to do their jobs and enforce the laws that are on the books of the United States.

So, I mean, this is unbelievable because now with the money, the Big Beautiful Bill passes, there's going to be more money for ICE. But are they going to have candidates to do it? I hope so.

Well, that's a tricky thing. A lot of law enforcement agencies are having a troubled time trying to recruit and to staff and to retain people. You see that with even the LAPD, these reports this last week of these gigantic overtime bills that they have because they're having to pay people to stay on. That makes them exhausted. It wears thin for your force.

But because they can't retain and keep people, they're having to pay these massive. Massive overtime bills. But, you know, you're right. I think ICE or anywhere else, when you know people are signing up to basically get taunted, you got people throwing things at you, they're in your face, you can't respond. It's a really difficult job that we're asking them to do.

And I do think if you ask everyday Americans, they do not support that treatment of men and women in uniform. They're, by and large, very supportive of law enforcement. These are outlier folks, but it's something that if you're applying for this job, you and your family are going to have to consider what you may be subjected to. Big Beautiful Bill, the chances of passing next week. I don't know.

But Kevin has it out yesterday and talking about the Big Beautiful Bill and why people should vote for it. Cut 31. If you vote against the bill, then you're voting against the Golden Dome. You're voting against the Secure Border. If you vote for the bill, then you're voting for all that growth.

And this time, you remember the $4,000 number that we talked so much about that was written about in that Wall Street Journal editorial you mentioned? The number now is $10,000, Kaylee. $10,000 is what we're going to see. in wage growth because of this bill. And that $10,000 is going to come in part because of things like the no tax on tips and no tax on overtime.

And so the other thing I love about President Trump's policies, think about this, that he does these things that the left say it's a catastrophe.

So he went on.

So he believes he has to sell it. But you know who he has to sell? Rand Paul, Senator Ron Johnson, Senator Tom Tillis. I'm not even mentioning a Democrat. No, yeah, you're not even going to, there's no time that you need to be wasting with Democrats because they're all going to be a no-vote no matter what.

But yeah, you've got to coalesce your own party around this thing. There are some really major problems within the Republican Party over Big Beautiful Bill. And here in D.C., there's a real skepticism that this thing gets to the president's desk by July 4th, if it gets through the Senate. Because you know every tweet they make in the Senate is giving total heartburn to Speaker Johnson because they barely got it through the House. And they did that by making a lot of deals.

And you've heard GOP lawmakers out there saying, hey, you pull my part of this bill. I'm now a no vote. And then Johnson can't get it back through the House and get it to the President.

So we've got Senator Mike Lee, one of our guests this weekend, to talk about that and where he is on them trying to navigate some of these really big splits.

So next week's the 23rd to the 27th and then it'll be the last working day. Would it be July 2nd or 3rd? Do you know? Are you meaning for the Senate? Yep, for the Senate.

Second week. Or is it in next week? I asked Senate Majority Leader Jon Thune about this last Sunday and said, Are you going to keep them? He's like, We're going to work through holidays if we have to. That's from him.

So if that means that they don't get their Fourth of July at home, their independent stay at home, he sounded very determined to keep them here to get this thing done. All right. We'll see if it happens. Shannon, so we know about Senator Lee. Anybody else you need to reveal?

Yeah, we've got Senator Tim Kaine with us too, a Democrat out of Virginia, who is pushing to this resolution to make the White House have to come to Congress before they would get involved militarily with whatever is going on between Israel and Iran.

So we'll see where he is on that if he has any bipartisan support. And yeah, what have you got on Sunday night? I'm going to go live Sunday night. You should. And at least half the show, because we think someone's going to be having the war.

And I'm going to Kayleigh McEnany because she dropped your name. And I said, all right, I'll do a favor for Shannon. She's a smart one. Yeah. Very talented, that one.

And. And I'm doing a special on the best, we didn't air last week, it was preempted, the best elementary school in America with the most innovative techniques.

So, grandparents, parents, and kids, all watch. Come one, come all. And take notes, other schools. You got it. And by the way, Linda McMahon came out and saw it up close to personal two weeks ago, so it could be a national program.

Shannon Bream, I'm not telling you, book yes, but I'm willing to give you the contacts if that's something that the Fox News Sunday wants. Anything that Killmead wants to give us, we're willing to take. Back in a moment. Politics, current events, and news that affects you. Brian's got a lot more to say.

Stay with Brian Kilmead. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Kilmead. Are you considering actively running for president? No, I mean, look, if I said no, that would not be true. If I said yes, that'd also not be true.

Yes, I'm evaluated. I think, well. I have something I think I can offer, but I haven't made that decision.

So if I said I wasn't, it wouldn't be true. If I said I have decided, that also wouldn't be true.

So that is Ron Emmanuel. He gave a good interview last night. He talked about a lot of things in depth that Israel has always been able to defend and fight for itself. This would be unprecedented for us to help him out, but it wasn't doing rhetoric. I was really impressed.

I was so glad to see that on our sound sheet. They were able to pull it off CNN. But he sounds somewhat normal. He's a ridiculous critic of Trump. He goes out of his way to do it.

But Ron Emmanuel's biggest problem, not going to be his years with Clinton. It's not going to be his chief of staff for Obama. It's going to be the examination of what he did and didn't do as Chicago mayor. He was supposed to be effective. He was supposed to be apolitical get things done, and he wasn't.

And you see the city's in terrible shape now after Lightfoot and this lightweight that's there now. But Ron Emmanuel does not have a great record when he finally held office and was no longer an operative or a staffer. But he does understand. You know, you got to hear his rhetoric against his party. It's nothing that Donald Trump hasn't said in the past, but you don't usually see it.

Maybe sometimes Carville indicates, you know, And by the way, they came up together in the Democratic Party. He's a little bit younger. They indicate how dissatisfied he is and how complaining they are and how judgmental they are and the people that they lost. But he's a candidate that at least, you know, if Harold Ford got elected president, if you're a Republican, you're not going to be upset. You'd rather your man or woman won.

But Ram Emanuel, if he just sounds center right like Fetterman, I think that he the rhetoric in the country would slow down. That's two years from now. First, you got to get to the midterms. The other story that emerged this week is this guy, Dan Martin. I think this is his first name.

He's running the DNC. Do you know that things are so bad? And I know they're not solely funded, but the RNC, DNC don't provide the bulk of the funding, super PACs do. But things are so bad, I think that. The Republicans have something like $42 million.

Do you know they got four? And in order to do their grassroots operations, they have to go and establish a line of credit with a bank. The billionaires aren't speaking to each other and not returning his calls. Just a horrible pick to run anything because all he does is whine about David Hogg, who they since ousted, but the damage is already done, so they lost the few young Democrats they had on their side. My heart breaks for him.

A talk show that's real. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. I think the president last week ran one of the greatest deception operations since Operation Overlord. when the United States fooled the Nazis into thinking that we were not going to invade Normandy. He was involved in that, and as a result of that, the Israelis found the IRGC commanders and top Personnel literally and figuratively in their beds last Thursday night.

So the president could be, again, involved in deception. He likes to keep their enemy off balance. He's offering negotiations. He's been offering that for weeks, and the Iranians have been rejecting that and rejecting multiple U.S. offers.

So he could be opening the path for Oman, where the negotiations are set to take place, or opening the path for Ford, where B-2 bombers could drop massive ordnance penetrators. And that is Mark Dublis, Foundation for Defense of Democracy, CEO, and he's got people on the ground in Iran. I'm really curious because we do not have great sources on the ground in Iran. I want to know what the people are thinking. It's easy to understand when people say, well, the government's unpopular with the people.

You watch the crackdown on the demonstrations. You see the assassination of women just for wanting a little bit of rights. You think, how could they possibly stay in power? And now, are the Israelis helping the Iranian people now get their freedom? Lisa Daftari joins us now, editor-in-chief for the Foreign Desk.

Lisa, you have great contacts in Iran. Tell our audiences what your link is to that country. Yeah. Well, I am of Iranian descent, but more than that, for over two decades, I've been focused and my expertise has been on Iranian politics and the regime and also connecting with the people and telling their stories. I've told stories about Christian pastors that have been in prison for years just because of their Christian faith.

I've told stories about artists and rappers and poets and people who have been executed for mere Facebook posts.

So just to give people a very quick synopsis of what they're up against day in and day out, what this regime does to people ruling with the strictest interpretations of Sharia law, that is Islamic law, women not being able to get divorced because of custody laws, women being worth half of that of a man in the court of law. And the stories go on and on.

So I've also had a front row seat at covering the various protests over the years. The ones that stand out obviously are the Green Revolution of 2009, started out. As a protest against a fraudulent election, it turned out to be an overarching just plea for regime change and for freedoms that they never had. Then we had 2019, where 1,500 or more innocent civilians who came out onto the streets within days were massacred just because they came out onto the streets demanding their freedoms. And obviously, the most recent, a couple of years ago, The protests over the 22-year-old Kurdish Iranian girl, Massa Amini, who was killed merely for showing some of her hair and wearing her hijab a little further back on her head.

She had her life taken from her, beaten to death by morality police.

So this just gives you a glimpse into what the Iranian people are up against every single day.

So now, what's changed? After a week of bombing and assassinations of nuclear scientists and commanders, and Khomeini basically moved to another location, according to reports, anything changed for the Iranian people? The Iranian people are holding on for the glimmer of hope and optimism that can come out of this. The best line I saw in all of this to express the complex feelings that are going on inside the majority of Iranians is to say, no, it's not that we're celebrating this war, but we are very happy that the murderers of our children are being murdered. And that's really what's happening here.

They're watching as Israel takes out the heads of the regime. They watched as Israel took out the proxies, the appendages of this octopus, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis. The Iranian people have evolved. They're very savvy. They understand that this is their money, main street economy money that is going into supporting these deadly terror proxies.

Well-educated population? Very well-educated population that demand that they are ruled by a government that understands them, that represents them, and gives them their very basic. But they have no power. They have no power. They have no internet.

They have no phone lines at the moment. They can't even tell us. Those who want to tell their stories, they can't even communicate to us at the moment. I thought Starlink was working for them. No?

Well, in and out. Look, this is something that the regime is very focused on. And I've said this so many times. The Achilles heel of this regime is the people coming out onto the streets and demanding their freedoms and causing a revolution like they did in 1979. This time with a much bigger momentum, with numbers, and the majority of 90 million people wanting those freedoms.

So even while they are fighting Israel in this war, the regime is fixated. On stopping any sort of uprising that may begin. Just yesterday, the regime alerted all Basiji and anti-riot police forces to be on alert around the clock. Why? Because they know that the next step in all this is the Iranian people feeling that optimism to come out onto the streets, to have that confidence.

Lisa, right, if they do come out in the streets, is there a chance the cops will be on their side? There is. And that is exactly what we're waiting for. As Reza Pahlavi, the exiled prince of Iran has said, many have actually reached out to him, heads of military, police, that have are wanting to defect. But they need the numbers.

They need the organization. Otherwise, it's just going to be consequences. Yeah, we've already seen that. I want you to hear what Cliff May thinks. He also has been heavily involved.

He's with FDD too, Cut10. He'll be defanged. He'll be declawed. It doesn't really matter. Could there be a revolution against him?

Could it be a coup? Absolutely. Could it come from the IRGC? Yes, but those are not Jeffersonian Democrats. That's the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

We don't know exactly what would happen from an America-first point of view or an Israel-first point of view. If this guy doesn't have nuclear weapons, he's not a threat to Israel, to America, to the Saudis, to the Emiratis, or anybody else. There's concern about what happens next. We will watch. We can help the good guys.

I suggest we should. But it's really at that point, it's not a big problem. If the clerics are here, IRGC is right below them, is it a problem? And would you think logically the IRGC would emerge if the clerics are out or the Ayatollah is killed? Absolutely.

The complexity of this situation here is that the regime, even though Israel has succeeded in taking out many of them, the regime is very strategically deep. They have already put into place their third military commander.

So, you know, there's the besiege forces, there's the IRGC. You're looking at a country that is very, very well organized, a regime that is very, very well organized and has a network that is very broad and very deep.

So you have the IRGC forces, you also have regular military forces. You have all, you know, there's the secular police and you also have the besiege, which is the paramilitary arm of the government.

So it's quite complex to say that, you know, with taking out this X, Y, and Z, we're going to see regime change or that we're going to see changes overnight. It's going to be very, very complex. I guess, but when people say it's going to be like Libya, I don't think that's correct either, right? This is a much better, much more organized society, less tribal. It's not tribal.

And I will say that I wrote an op-ed a couple of weeks ago before all this war started saying not all regime changes are created equal. Iran is not Afghanistan. Iran is not Iraq. I know that many lawmakers here in the United States have PTSD over those failed attempts at bringing regime change. I'm not saying we import regime change to Iran, but the Iranian people are ripe for it.

They want democracy. They want freedom. And most importantly, they want a secular government to represent them and give them their basic freedoms.

Well, we'll see what's going to happen. Have you been in touch with people on the ground? Has anything changed over the last few days? Absolutely. They're waiting to see.

You know, two very important things, I think, that will turn the page here. One is American involvement. Two is the taking out of Khamenei, a very symbolic figure, but the head of the octopus, so to speak.

So, you know, they've watched for months as this war has gone on, obviously, climaxing within the last week, but they're waiting to see and they're waiting for that sign of optimism to see what their future holds. But it's very, very complex to want the enemy to take the enemy to take out your government so that you can have a chance at freedom. Right. What do you hope that Israel targets next? You know, I think the main point for everyone to understand is if any residual is left of their nuclear program, and Fardot is obviously all eyes on Fardot for that reason, and that's why they're looking to America for that assistance.

If any residual is left of the 12 sites that they have created, it will only mean that they will continue their program once again in months to come.

So, I think that that is really the main point here. Israel just announced today that they will now be targeting besiege forces. That's a very good sign. The Iranian people have the paramilitary, they're the thugs of the regime. That's the best way to describe them.

They were brought in in 1979, imported many times from different places. A lot of them are Palestinian, a lot of them are Pakistani from all different parts of the region. They were brought in solely to kill, to fight, to get the protesters off the streets, and that's exactly what they do now.

So, I think it's a great sign for them to go after the next layer of protection for the regime. One by one, peel away these layers to get to the head of the octopus. Lisa Daftari, thanks so much. My pleasure. You got it.

So that's the latest from what's happening, the best we can discertain from what's happening inside Iran. And we know that they're still under attack. They got virtually no air defense. They have no air force left. They're running out of rockets.

Time is definitely not on their side. You listen to the Brian Killmee show. Diving deep into today's top stories, it's Brian Kilmead. A radio show like no other. It's Brian Killmead.

Look, I will go to my grave believing that the debate was intentional. Yes, for that. Anita Dunn and General Malley Dylan will deny it till they're blue in the face. And if I were in their shoes and I did it, I'd deny it until I was blue in my face, okay? Like, you know, I'm an Occam's razor guy, right?

But nobody's ever going to cop to it. I mean, you know, people will, it'll be on. deathbed diaries before we find out right the truth about that. And but I absolutely, there was no other reason. This idea, well, we needed to shake up the race.

In late June? Who shakes up a racer? I 100% agree with Chuck Todd, and I have no proof because I have no contacts, and I'm proud of it, with the Biden administration. Even people, cabinet secretaries, claim to have been locked out, and other people have confirmed it.

So he, I always said that. I mean, here in May, President Trump gets convicted. They want to mock him as he sits there in trial and talks about how cold the courtroom is. And I don't know where. Joe Biden comes out and and dares, mumbles his way through a challenge and says, Hey, let's have a debate, pal.

One in June and one in September. How about Wednesday? I know you have that day off. Mocks the fact that that was the day off from the trial. But what is that about?

And he says, let's forget about the debate council. You don't have to worry about the rules. And I want it without an audience. Not audience, okay. No audience, and I wanted a studio.

Okay. And I want the mics killed in between statements. Why would that pay? He was saved Austin Times by people interrupting him in a State of the Union address, Marjorie Taylor Greene, case in point.

So he did a poll, and they said, Fox News at a poll. Was the previous White House honest and transparent about Joe Biden's health? 29% said yes. Important for Congress and DOJ to investigate Biden's advisors on the AutoPen. 52% said yes.

50% on key decisions. 40%, 44% on covering up decline. When did you become clear that Biden was in cognitive decline? 28% said as soon as he took office. 21% said couple years into the term.

19% start of reelection. 20% after debating. He wasn't in decline. Almost nobody thinks he was fine. And guess who wanted everyone to think he was fine?

The Washington Post, the New York Times, CNN, all of the major networks, they were telling you he was fine. Once in a while they would bring some indications up. Wall Street Journal writes a story and they get ripped. That was in 2024. That didn't even take much guts to do.

I don't know why the debate came out. It must have been somebody saying we have to expose this guy. Plus, he didn't have any days off leading he had days leading off leading up to it, but he was going back and forth to Europe in fundraisers.

So they were trying to wear him out. Cut thirty six. More. It was pretty clear. From Jake's reporting and Alex's reporting in the book, that the The Biden circle was never going to admit the problem, and that the only way you were going to.

force a change with sunshine this is not about reporters reporting more No, this was about people seeing it for themselves. Yeah, and we all saw it for ourselves. And you weren't saying it, Chuck Tai, when you were hosting Meet the Press, believe me. You never had anything. Positive to say about Trump almost ever.

I watched every weekend. And he has great contacts.

So he left on his own. I think he was about to be kicked out anyway.

So, people that are going to run are going to be people that had nothing to do with that administration. People who judge is dead in the water. I never thought he was a legitimate contact. He ran on being gay. That was his big thing.

I'm gay. All right, good. I served in the military. Fantastic. Please do something good.

Like be mayor and be effective and be transportation secretary and want to do the job, except for being pro-green and liking the bike with dumb helmets.

So, who is going to emerge on the left? First off, someone's got to emerge. This guy, Ken Martin, has not raised any money. He's done nothing but whine and complain about David Hogg, so he ousted David Hogg. And now they have to take a line of credit, as I mentioned, in order to get their ground game going.

So you got to pretend on so you got to depend on super PACs. Rahm Emanuel weighed in last night, and he sounds reasonable. And number one, he's going to be got great energy. Number two, he knows the issues. Number three, he's fearless.

And he's got unbelievable context. He doesn't have any charisma, though. And he's just very typical when it comes to criticizing Trump. He is not thinking out of the box at all. But here he is last night, cut 38.

I mean, I kind of periodically, once in a while, check my email, make sure my family hasn't hired a lawyer to sue me.

So I think about it, and I'm thinking about moments like this and what it takes. to lead this country and I think the biggest thing that I care about Is that the American dream is unaffordable, and it is exactly in time that that American dream became unaffordable, is when our politics became unstable. And restoring confidence in that is the most important thing a president can do. Right. The one thing that President Trump can do to bring some stability, I think it's immigration reform.

I think that could be next because he sealed the border.

Now he's got to work on the northern border, and then the fentanyl dissipation is going to bring us there. That would be an opportunity for him to say, hey, listen, this is my bipartisan solution to the border. Start bringing plans up. Instead of rhetoric, but maybe he's capable of doing that.

So I think it's interesting. Ari fights your weight in on the Democratic party being down. And what I like about Ari too is like he'll come out against MAGA World. He said these people that are criticizing Trump that he's going to bomb and I think it's inevitable, he's going to bomb out Fordo. Are dead in the water.

They've been exposed. They have no power. Here's what he says is wrong with the Democrats and where the money's gone. Cut 39. The Democratic money does not come from the party.

The Democratic money comes from its special interests. It comes from teachers' unions. It comes from labor. It comes from billionaires. It comes from dark money.

It comes from ACBLU. The parties in the last 20 years have all played a diminishing role. The Democrats will outfund, outspend Republicans no matter what. That has been the reality of modern-day electoral politics for more than a decade. As for the image problem the Democrats have, that's their real problem.

They're out of touch. They are gone so woke, so out of touch, they've lost blue-collar Americans, they're losing Americans with high school degrees. They have really burnt their base because they've taken wacky, nutty, outlandish positions, and they protest in the streets. And average blue-collar guys just don't like it. And you really are you proud of the fact that they look at ICE as the bad guys as they get illegals out?

Does anybody? I mean, you're proud of that? You're proud of your senator from California who goes and tries to threaten Christy Noman in an aggressive way? They don't know who the hell he is. Padilla, and he gets wrestled to the ground.

This other clown, Landers in New York City, same thing, wrestled to the ground. Mum Donnie, who's an up-and-coming socialist, crazy socialist. Dad is a crazy Columbia professor. You're proud of the fact that he went after Tom Holman in Albany. They were held back by.

Uh by others?

So that's what you call fighting? That's not fighting. That's ridiculous. We don't want any part of that. The things you're cracking down against are people that most people are for, and that's getting illegal immigrants out and not paying for their welfare.

Get it in their own country, apply to come the right way. I can't wait to see everyone in Dayton, Ohio at History, Liberty, and Laughs on Saturday. If not, I'll see you in Dallas in August or Richmond in September. It's my chance of bringing his patriotism and some fun to the stage. BrianKilme.com.

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