This show proudly sponsored by Real American Freestyle Wrestling. Ali Raza Jafarzada joins us now. He's the Deputy Director of the Washington Office of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, and he's been basically fighting them and trying to get back in there for forty years. Ali Raza, welcome back. Thank you so much, Brian.
Always a pleasure to be on your show. How much damage has been done already to the defense of Iran? Brian, I think what's even more important than all of the facts that everyone is following on the media is actually how we got here, what got us to the situation, the current crisis and war. Unfortunately, since 2002, when we first exposed the nuclear site in Nat Hans and Iraq in August of 2002. Can I stop you right there?
So we were dealing with a nuclear program and we thought we had all the facts, but it was you guys. That said, no, no, they haven't told you about this other secret plant, Natan's, which I think has been destroyed. But go ahead. Yes, absolutely, Brian. You know, that exposure in August of 2002 about Nathanzan Iraq triggered for the first time the inspections of Iranian nuclear sites by the IAEA.
And then we exposed several other major nuclear sites and not only enrichment, but we showed that there is a solid plan for building the bomb. The Xi'an Lavisan site that was the core and the brain of their nuclear bomb making, we exposed it and the regime raised the buildings before they allowed the IAEA inspections, which again, they still found traces of highly enriched uranium. In 2005, we exposed the site in Fardo, underground site under the mountains. Unfortunately, no one did anything about all of these revelations about over 100 cases of exposure of these sites. Instead, The Western nations led by Europe rushed to appease the Ayatollahs.
And then various administrations here in the United States, I think the most vivid case was the Biden administration, gave them pallets of cash in 2015 that led to the nuclear deal, the so-called CPOA. And what did that do, Brian? They legitimized the nuclear weapons program of the regime. This side Fardot that we're talking about now, it's part of the JCPOA that they can have that place running. They can have a thousand centrifuges there.
Guess what? This is the place that they are enriching uranium up to 60%, which is just a screwdriver's turn away from weapons-grade material.
So, my point is that it was the appeasement that led to where we are, to the war and crisis that we're currently facing. But one thing that no one really paid attention was the Sentiment and the views of the people of Iran. That's why we expose these nuclear sites. The people reject the nuclear program because they see that as a guarantee for the survival of the mullahs. It's not just the way they're threatening others, they're threatening their own people by staying in power.
So they're draining the resources.
Okay, so having said that, this has been going on for about a week, and they're going to keep hitting. Israel knows exactly what they're doing. What do your sources say is happening inside Iran now, with nuclear scientists being shot, commanders in the Qud force being killed, different commanders being killed in their beds? What's changed on the ground, if anything?
Well, certainly, I mean, the whole thing has clearly shifted that the regime has never faced this situation before because they always counted on what they had seen in the past, that no one is willing to put up against the Ayatollahs, that they can always get away with things the same way they got away with their terrorism, with their development nuclear weapons, with their missile program. Right now, the situation has shifted. The main concern that Tehran has is the population itself, how they're going to actually rise up against the Iran regime. And it's not in a vacuum because since 2018, there were several rounds of major uprisings against the Iran regime. People calling for change, chanting death to Khamenei, death to the oppressor, be the Shah or the Supreme Leader.
They're concerned that if the next round of the uprisings start, they may not survive it. They're concerned about those resistance units on the ground, those who are confronting the revolutionary guards, because at the end of the day, they have the example. Of Syria before them. Syria seemed to be so invincible 11 days before they actually fell. And so things have changed both in the region.
But Ali Raza, when you say there's resistance, I know about you guys, you're on the outside. What other resistance on the inside? We see people rise up and we see them get put into jail or murdered on site. They don't have the guns.
Well, that's exactly what the point is. Inside Iran, the MEK that you mentioned that was responsible for exposing all of the key sites, nuclear sites of Iran, they have what they call resistance units on the ground in various cities and towns. They were the ones who were acting as engine for change. They're the ones who are right now confronting revolutionary guards, of course, by doing, you know, burning the pictures of the supreme leader and the commanders of revolutionary guards to show that the regime is not 10 feet tall. But at some point, you know, the people will have to come to the confrontation with the revolutionary guards.
That's why it's so important for the U.S. to recognize the right of the people to overthrow this regime, to recognize the right of those resistance. We want us to say, we want to understand the government. But as you know, we don't want our hands on regime change. We don't want to prop up another country.
We don't want to pick their leaders. We want Iran to pick their leaders. And we saw it happen in Libya. They still have not really had a centralized government since Gaddafi was brutally killed.
So, how do you see this playing out?
Well, that's exactly the point that I'm making. I think, you know, the head of the president of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, she appeared before a hearing in the House right here via satellite. And when she was asked, what do you want from the United States, she said, let me tell you what we don't want. We don't want any foreign boots on the ground, no appropriation of money. The people of Iran have everything to bring about change in the country.
All the United States needs to do is to recognize the new realities on the ground. You don't want the Iraqi-style involvement. You don't want anything like that because Iran is extremely different than all the other things. Iran does have an alternative. You know, Mrs.
Maryam Rajabi, who heads the Parliament in Exile, the NCRI, she appeared before the European Parliament 21 years ago at this time saying that, you know, the choice is not just between the appeasement and war. There is a third option. You know, you need to rely on the people of Iran. And she appeared just two days ago again saying that because you invested on appeasement, you are now facing this crisis and war. But the only way out of it without the involvement of the United States or any foreign countries is to rely on the people of Iran, which have shown their ability, their power.
It's not easy to know about the intelligence, about the nuclear sites of Iran, and yet this movement has exposed all of them. They expose the terror operations of the Iran regime. They have been the main target of the killings inside the country. But also, they have offered a solution to the US. One thing I hear is the Revolutionary Guard, if the Ayatollah is killed and the clerics are wiped out, the Revolutionary Guard steps up and they become a military dictatorship.
Do you see that scenario? No, because this is a clerical system. The whole system is built on the authority of the supreme leader. The guards are meant to protect the supreme leader. If the system cracks in any way or shape, whether it's revolutionary guards or the supreme leader, they lose control over the whole thing.
And there's not a scenario that you would have, you know, the country becoming like a military rule by the revolutionary guards because the control comes from the top. But most importantly, look at the reality on the ground in the past several rounds of uprisings in Iran. You know, in all 31 provinces, it wasn't just a certain area of the country or a certain sector of the society or just intellectuals. No, even the poor, the deprived, the smaller towns and cities were involved in the uprisings. The people see the revolutionary guards as their suppressors, but also as the plunderers of their wealth and of the nation.
So there is no chance for this regime once it. Equilibrium changes, there's no chance for them to survive. And I think I mentioned the case of Syria because Syria played a big role in the overall strategy of the regime. The regime relied on Syria and Hezbollah and others, what they call strategic depth, for their survival. All of that is gone.
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You don't want to miss an episode. And the thing is, the Syria thing can't be underestimated because Hezbollah was diminished and Russia was distracted. It allowed people to rise up and take out the minority Shia government, right? And the Shia government, unlike the population, was affiliated with Iran, but the population was mostly Sunni. You know, the lesson learned from Syria is that, first of all, it displayed the weakness of the regime.
And if there was anything the regime could do to keep Assad in power, they would have done it as they did about seven, eight years before that. But the most important thing is that there was an organized force on the ground that started moving against the, you know, against the Syrian government. Everyone dismissed that chance. And that's the same situation in the country in Iran. There is this organized force that they carried out about over 3,000 operations against the regime in Iran.
No one is paying attention to that. They're only relying on the reports about the mullahs, the negotiations, the talks, and the strikes and all of that. They don't pay attention on. From what you know, just real quick, I'm up against the clock. If we hit Fordo.
Do they does Iran make the decision to try to hit us? Because in a way that would be suicide.
Well, you know, the Iran regime has been at war with the rest of the world for the past few days. Just yes or no. What do you think? Let me tell you this. If there was anything they could have done so far, you know, they've already done it.
This is a regime that is so weak and so vulnerable. This is the new reality of Iran, both in terms of the regime, but also in the sentiment of the population and the prospect for change. Ali Raza, Chafarzuddha, thanks so much for joining us. Let's hope you and your group are in power because we love an ally. Uh in Iran.
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