Elon Musk not holding back his disgust on the big beautiful bill

From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmead. Hi, everyone.

So glad you're there. Hope you're having a great day. It's going to get better. We've got a big hour coming your way. One of our great guests, great friend of the show, Dr.

Mehmed Oz, is going to be with us. He's now the administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. Such a valuable job. And Cliff May, founder and president of the Foundation for Defensive Democracies, I want to get a perspective on these incredible. Attacks over in Russia from Ukraine.

I also would like to add in the Iran negotiations. It's got fantastic insight there in some of the bad information that's coming out of Gaza. They say the IDF for the bad guys. Uh I got more on that later.

So let's get to the big three. Number three.

So far, this investigation, you know, I call it the nice letters. The nice letters asking the Biden officials to come in went out on May 22nd. It's June 3rd. Subpoenas should be flying off the shelves to these people. That is what Republicans need to do because this matters.

We know what he did. The question is: did he know what he did? I'm talking about President Biden and the use of the auto pen. Makes investigators think perhaps someone else who's running the country as James Comer has become a massive investigation. We got the latest.

Number two, it is an incredible intelligence coup. Vladimir Putin is undoubtedly now wondering whether there was an inside job. You're probably going to see a witch hunt in Russia as he tries to figure out who did this inside. In awe, Ukraine. Days after a stunning drone attack inside Russia's borders, they now blow up the base of the Crimean bridge for a third time.

Maybe Putin should consider a peace deal. I think he is actually calling the White House today. Number one. How mad do you think President Trump is going to be when he finds out that Elon Musk said, I'm sorry, but I just can't stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous, pork-filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination.

Shame on those who voted for it. You know you did wrong. You know it. President's furious about this. Big Beautiful Bill battle gets bizarre as Musk attacks, Thune defends, and I imagine Trump seethes.

Now I know for sure he is. The Senate gets to work, gets to work. Stop ranting and raving, guys and women, and start debating. We look at that and the trade deal deadline for the world.

So, the Big Beautiful Bill, you heard Peter Ducey going over it in his question out of nowhere. Uh Elon Musk puts out on X. I'm sorry. I just can't stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous pork-filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination.

Shame on those who voted for it. You know you did wrong. You know it. He went on to say Congress is making America bankrupt. Then Rand Paul posts on X.

Some of us are trying to stop that.

Meanwhile, Trump blasts Rand Paul amid the budget battle, bill battle on Truth Social. He says Rand Paul has very little understanding of the Big Beautiful bill, especially the tremendous growth that is coming. He loves voting no on everything. He thinks it's good politics, but it's not. The BBB is a big winner.

Rand votes no on everything, but never has any practical or constructive ideas. His ideas are actually crazy. They're losers. The people of Kentucky can't stand them. This is a big growth bill.

So look, I'm fed up with Rand Paul too. You sit there in your ideologue and as a libertarian, I guess, and you wonder why people despise you. Not saying he's not bright, but get involved. You know, so of course he's loving that Elon Musk is blowing this up. I don't get it.

Here's Senator Thune with us yesterday, cut four. Will this lead to higher deficits? And the answer to that is no. You're going to get growth in the economy. And when the economy, again, is growing and expanding, you get more government revenue.

Add to that almost a couple trillion dollars in cuts that are in the bill. And you had the most significant reduction in spending and biggest amount of savings in history in this legislation.

So and of course, Democrats now all of a sudden love Elon Musk. They're like even Elon Musk is against it. You mean the guy that you think is the worst villain in American history?

Now all of a sudden you're running to him. You have no credibility. People have pointed out that the subsidies for Electric cars are in there and some other things that he likes, but look. I don't think he took. I know Speaker Johnson took the time to explain to him what's in the bill.

and what they could do down the line once it passes. Here's Josh Holmes, who used to work for Mitch McConnell, cut seven. He got the first part right with Doge, outside the box identifying things. The second part, not so much. He's talking about a spending bill.

This is a reconciliation package. We deal with mandatory spending, which is entitlements, and we deal with taxes. This is about whether or not the American people deserve to keep their tax rates where they are. It has absolutely nothing to do with the spending side of it, which you can address in the appropriations process. It's kind of like a Washington 101.

So I think a lot of this is shooting back and forth without kind of a basic understanding of how the government processes these things.

So we know too, Josh Holmes from Ruthless, and he'll be on with us next week on One Nation Sundays at 10 Eastern. All right, so the president also set up today as a deadline for all our friendly nations to come together and just say, here's my offer when it comes to setting up a new trade relations with tariffs. On trade, Caroline Levitt, Cut 8. USTR sent this letter to all of our trading partners just to give them a friendly reminder that the deadline is coming up. And they are in talks.

Ambassador Greer, Secretary Besson, Secretary Luttnick are in talks with many of our key trading partners around the globe, as you know. Brian, I know the Wall Street Journal has covered this quite heavily. And they continue to be engaged in those discussions. And this letter was simply to remind these countries that the deadline is approaching and the President expects good deals. And we are on track for that, I will emphasize.

Yeah, so that is Caroline Levitt weighing in yesterday. And I hope some deals come in. Come on, India, Japan. I know Japan's the big thing with cars, but work it out. Come on, guys.

The EU making progress. How great would it be for the markets and for the country to see the President this afternoon? Who's speaking to Vladimir Putin today at 11? How great would it be for the country this afternoon for the President to say I got three deals to announce? Let's do it.

Come on. Boulder, Colorado, horrible, horrific. Flamethrowing attack on Sunday.

Now we get more details about the killer from. Egypt, who lived in Kuwait for 20 years, came here on a tourist visa in 2022, got to stay, then was told to leave, and he didn't. He waited for his oldest. To graduate high school, and then he did this attack. He went in to three different gas stations so it wouldn't be a red flag to anyone.

He dressed with a reflector dress like a landscaper, so no one would think he was up to anything. And then you see him with a makeshift flamethrower because he couldn't get a gun as an illegal immigrant. Light people on fire, including a Holocaust survivor whose feet were burned. And I think as many as 12 people. Why?

Because they're Jewish. I mean, think about this, because they're Jewish, just sickening.

So now I love what we're doing. We're kicking out the whole family, whole family, cut nine.

Now, Mohammed's despicable actions will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, but we're also investigating to what extent his family knew about this horrific attack, if they had any knowledge of it, or if they provided support to it. I am continuing to pray for the victims of this attack and for all of their families. Our thoughts and our prayers go out to all of them, and I want them to know that justice will be served. I love it. And they all overstayed their visas.

I don't know what their story is, but if their dad is a raging anti-Semite. who probably hates our country too. Don't you think that might have Trickled out during dinner? Don't you think that he probably raised five kids who feel exactly the same way? Jessica Vaughn, the Center for Immigration Studies, Cut 10.

I don't think anybody should shed too many tears over this. This is something that he and almost certainly his wife planned in advance. They went and applied for visas to come to the United States. Within a couple of weeks of that, they filed an asylum claim, knowing that under the Biden administration rules, they would be allowed to stay here indefinitely and get work permits. And even after that work permit expired, he stayed here.

As a visa overstay, you know, we have more than a half a million visa overstays every year, and this. Guy, along with hundreds of thousands of others, have completely exploited our visa system. And as part of the revamp, I mean, I saw this something like five million overstays. The numbers through the roof. I don't know how we have the manpower to possibly follow up on this.

I don't want to take too much time away from Dr. Oz or Cliff May, so I'm going to get out now. But I do think this. They didn't want to do immigration reform, and I didn't want to do it either. Probably you didn't either until they sealed the border.

I didn't know if that would be possible without finishing the wall and getting the technology in place. But they really controlled the border. After they get through the big, beautiful bill and maybe the midterms. I think that we get together On expedited removal. And get Democrats on board with it with a term limited president.

I bet you they sign off on it. I don't buy the fact that both sides like to run on it. Not anymore. You already won on this. You don't need it.

We're going to take a timeout. Dr. Oz is coming up next. Coming to you on a need-to-know basis because man, do you need to know? It's Brian Kilmead.

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Mehmed Az is the 17th administrator of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and man, does he have a vital job now more than ever? As we try to get this thing financed and get the fraud out of it in the hopes of balancing our budget, where there's a lot of controversy now, and no one brighter, more astute, or better communicator than Dr. Oz himself. Dr. Oz, welcome back.

Brian, thanks for having me on. And you're right. This is an opportunity for us to save Medicaid. And I say that over and over again because I keep hearing the ads run from the other side. But there is no scenario in which we are not spending more on Medicaid.

The question is, how much more? And how do you also create the moral obligation, which I think benefits people, that they feel a need to work, to participate, to contribute in some way to their communities? That's what we're really focused on.

So Medicaid was intended for states to finance the poor and the elderly, correct? Correct. And when it was signed in 1965, so it's having its 60th birthday on July 1st, there were 11 million people on Medicaid. During COVID, we got to 94 million. Actually, interestingly, over the last year, even before the President came in, there was already a realization amongst Democrats that this was a catastrophe.

And they began to disenroll people, about 10 million Americans. But the structural issues remain, and that's what the President wants us to address.

So what right now, what is addressed in the bill that the House gave to the Senate? The key issues revolve around waste, fraud, abuse, areas where we know that there is legalized money laundering taking place by states. And I say that with respect because the governors are doing what they should do if they can get away with it, which is to try to take more money from the federal government than Congress had intended. And it's a process called a provider tax. And I don't have to walk everyone through it, but succinctly, they gamed the system to pretend they're spending more money than they really are so the federal government matches that money and thus overpays.

And that's a process that's been going on for years. Every president, Democrat and Republican, has lamented the fact that this exists. This Congress is stopping it, which is a huge positive. And the president is very supportive for that reason.

Now, they're also doing something about this work requirement issue that I touched on at the outset, which is to require Americans, just like they do when they're getting SNAP food stamps, just like they do when they're getting temporary assistance for needy families, they have to demonstrate a desire to work. They don't necessarily have to get a job.

Sometimes there's not a job there. They're not equipped to do it well, but they have to apply or get an education or volunteer to help the community or just take care of someone in their family that needs help. But they've got to do something to demonstrate that they have agency over their future, that they matter. And if they do that, they keep their Medicaid. And if they don't want to do those things for whatever reason, then they're going to lose their Medicaid coverage or they'll move on to a different program that already exists.

Maybe they've got insurance from their employer. Maybe they have it from the exchange. Changes, but they're not going to be paid for by the taxpayer who should appropriately desire that they're trying to help in their communities. And by the way, you pulled this out, Brian, over two-thirds of Americans believe that's a very rational desire. Dr.

Oz, how are you going to do it, though, to make sure there's no fraud when it comes to matching funds? Who's going to police the states? It's easier to police them. We know exactly what they're doing because we're paying the bills. Brian and I, we pay out one point seven trillion dollars from this agency, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid.

I know where every penny goes. We unfortunately don't always know that it's going to the right place. And this is a critical issue because fundamentally, if we're able to tell states, hey, listen, you can't get away with this anymore, we're not going to allow it, they won't do it because they'll follow the rules. Again, these are not bad people doing this, they're just taking advantage of a system that was designed with loopholes and problems in its enforcement. And that's one of the reasons that I believe when Congress passes this, it'll actually help states because they'll know what the rules are.

By the way, this is how this president works across the board. He likes to understand the fundamental flaw and then negotiate the settlement. Good example: most favored nation status for our medications. Right now, Americans have to choose between grocery and their medications. One-third of Americans, when they go to the grocery store to the pharmacy, cannot pick up their prescriptions because they can't afford them.

This drives up the cost of Medicaid, it drives up the cost of health care across the country. And many Americans, because they're faced with this moral quandary, are frustrated and angry.

So, the president said, Enough. You know, we're funding the doctors that generate these drugs. Fair. But what are you going to do in Medicaid? In California, they want to pay for illegal immigrants' health care.

So that's Medicaid.

So, what are you going to do when the governor of California says, no, I'm doing this? Brian, we're done. We're not paying them. We already took back $53 million on this. They know they're on notice.

There's a new sheriff in town. They can't get away with it. And they're not. This is not about people in this situation specifically doing things that they know are ethically maybe wrong, but they know they can get away with it.

So if we go out there and say, guys, what are you talking about? The American people have not decided to fund illegal immigrants through Medicaid.

So why should Mississippi taxpayers Be reimbursing California because it decided to allow illegal immigrants on Medicaid.

So California knows that, and they're not going to do it anymore. We already had that conversation with them. The Congress is going to pass legislation to make sure that every state appreciates this, and we don't have to fight every single time about this as a country. This is the rule. This is what you got to follow.

Dr. Oz, how much did Obama care? Uh ask uh uh expand Medicaid. in a way in which the program was never intended to be used. It it So, the cost of Medicaid has gone up 50% to just in the last five years.

And I say that because what Obamacare did was. created perversion in incentives.

So now the federal government, the president, and what he needs to do to enforce the rules passed by Congress are not aligned with what the state governors are doing.

So in Obamacare, for example, you take people who are not originally the Medicaid recipients, able-bodied people, and you pay extra for them. than you would for the normal Medicaid population.

So a woman with kids, with sick kids, gets paid less than an able-bodied man with no kids. And that's literally the law right now in America, and that's what people are getting away with. This Congress, this President is seeking to change that by saying you can't use those rules anymore. The right rule was to make sure that if you are doing things right, that you should not be paying more for able bodied people on Medicaid than those folks on Medicare. Imagine that.

You've paid into Medicare your whole life. You've contributed to the system at 2.9% tax. Everyone's paying their payroll tax. That money goes into the coffers. It's saved up for Medicare.

You start getting your Medicare response. And then you go to a doctor. And the doctor says, you know, you guys don't pay me on Medicare as well as the Medicaid patient who's never worked, couldn't get a job or whatever reason, is an able-bodied person, and they're getting paid more than any of you are. And that's something we have to change. And that's, again, part of this legislation.

So, and finally, we have 30 seconds, Dr. Oz, you're a pro. You are not cutting Medicaid. You are getting out fraud and abuse to make it be used more efficiently, correct? We have enough money being spent already on these programs.

We're cutting out fraud, waste, and abuse. In no scenario that I've seen are we spending less on Medicaid than we have before. And one of the ways we're going to do this, by the way, is making the entire system more efficient, like forcing drug companies who are taking advantage of this system to charge the same price they're charging overseas. Americans are not going to spend three, four times more than their counterparts overseas. That drives overall prices down, so we can afford it.

Dr. Oz, 17th Administrator, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid. Thanks so much, Dr. Oz. Great job.

Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Joe. It is an incredible intelligence coup. Vladimir Putin is undoubtedly now wondering whether there was an inside job. You're probably going to see a witch hunt.

In Russia, as he tries to figure out who did this inside.

So it just shows that just with a little bit of help. The Ukrainians can make Vladimir Putin pay for his aggression. Mr. Rice, the former Secretary of State on with me on Fox and Friends, was referring to the fact that yesterday there was an explosion at the base of the bridge linking Crimea and Russia, Crimea, which they stole, that Khrushchev gave away in the 60s. They decided Vladimir Putin decided he wanted it back, and then he took 20% of the country.

Joining us now to talk about the series of attacks that I think put the Russians on their heels, but we'll see, is Clifford May, founder and president of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Cliff, how impressed, if at all, are you with these last series of attacks inside Russia? Enormously impressed. These are innovative. This required incredible intelligence, incredible planning.

The only thing you can compare it to, I think, is what the Israelis did with beepers and pagers to Hezbollah.

Some of the military facilities that were hit by Ukraine are all the way in Siberia. I mean, close to Mongolia, near the city of Irkutta. 4,000 miles. 4,000 miles. Way, way, way long way.

And the idea that these drones would be in trucks and the tops of the containers that they were in could at the same moment come off, and these drones should fly out. This is the and a very important point here is these were all military targets. The planes used were strategic fighters, bombers. They could be used against the U.S., they could be used to carry nuclear weapons, but they have been used to kill civilians in residential neighborhoods inside Ukraine.

So they're very legitimate targets. By contrast, of course, Putin continues to target civilians, residences, medical facilities, whatever he can, and refuses over and over again any possibility of a ceasefire, which is what President Trump has been demanding. A ceasefire, and then negotiations might be able to proceed on a longer-term truce or armistice. Call it what you will.

So, I mean, this bridge, the Russians are evidently freaking out. Too they're inspecting every truck. They don't trust any parked truck that's parked. They're looking at every driver. But talk about that bridge.

Who would drive over it if the foundation exploded, even though it looks like it could still stand? The Ukrainians have attacked it before. Before the invasion of Ukraine and the conquest, or if you want to call it that, an occupation of, as you said, almost 20% of eastern and southern Ukraine, the only bridge was that bridge from Russia proper into Ukraine. Part of what... Putin has accomplished is to have a land bridge in.

In other words, to take Ukrainian land so you can go from Russia through the occupied territories and go right into Crimea. Crimea is also where the Russian Black Sea Fleet is located. But the Ukrainians have also, again, through innovation and invention, they've destroyed much of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. It's the only time there, it's one of the greatest naval battles in history, which is particularly remarkable because Ukraine has no navy. They did it with underwater drones.

They did it with missiles and rockets coming out of... Trucks. They did it from land. They hit that.

Now, if there were to be an armistice, then you could talk about what happens to Ukraine, what happens to the Russian fleet in Sevastopol. But what I think the Ukrainians have shown is they are not about to be beaten. They are not about to give up. They are going to fight for their independence, for their sovereignty, for their freedom, for their culture, for their nation state, for their homes.

So the total casualty is 1.4 million. 1 million Russians have been killed or wounded. Deaths, 250,000. This is according to the Center for Strategic and Intelligence Studies. 400,000 Ukrainians killed or wounded, 60,000 to 80,000 thought to be dead or captured.

It's been a very taxing war for both sides. For the Russian military campaign, they say it's the slowest forward-moving campaign in modern war history. How why is that? Was there so much corruption in the Putin army that they didn't even realize how little was going to their armed forces? And have they corrected that?

Well, they've actually been bad shape to begin with. That's why they weren't able to take Kiev, the capital, in three days, as so many military analysts thought they would. But what you have here is odd. I mean, this war is kind of a mixture of World War I and Mad Max.

So you end up with literally Russians in trenches trying to go over the wall and take a little bit more territory, and then they're seen by the drones and they get hit.

So that they're moving, you know, an inch at a time with several bodies for every inch that they get of Ukrainian territory. This is a very different war. By the way, American military analysts and strategists are learning a huge amount from this. The drones that are evolving, is the way I would put it, we have to know about that. We have to know how to protect our planes.

I mean, we've seen balloons and drones in this country. Are our strategic bombers properly protected? I don't think they are. By the way, I think that that should be a wake-up call for us. There's a lot we can learn from this, and we should be learning.

But the Ukrainians have done us a great favor by decimating America's number two adversary.

So, what should we do next? It looks like the peace talks are a joke. They last about an hour. They talk about exchanging prisoners, and they don't do anything. It looks like Vladimir Putin's term sheet is all just basically surrender, don't have an army, give us land that we haven't even won in war yet, stolen in war yet.

So, is this going to get their attention and change anything? Probably not a lot. I think a lot more pain has to be inflicted on Putin before he decides, okay, a ceasefire is in my interest. And I think President Trump has the ability to do that in two ways. One is severe economic pain and sanctions.

And you've got a bill that has, what, 82 co-sponsors in the Senate led by Lindsey Graham. That would be very helpful. But also more munitions to the Ukrainians so they can continue to fight and fewer restrictions on the use of those munitions. Remember, Biden would say, I'll give you a TACM as great weapons, but you can't hit any targets inside Russia, only on your own territory. No, Putin has to feel, and his generals have to feel, we're not winning, we're losing, therefore a ceasefire is in our interest.

And again, Trump has threatened to do this. He's threatened to cause devastating pain to Putin. Hasn't done so yet. As you say, the negotiations have gotten nowhere. But that's not because of Zelensky, who has said, I'm ready right now.

30-day ceasefire, unconditional, let's do it. And Putin says, no, what we want is, as you put it, really surrender. That's what he's talking about.

So let's talk about Iran. And I don't know why we're going through these talks, going through the motions. They're taking into account that we want zero enrichment.

Some people say it'll be a slow step down to zero enrichment. Here's what Condoleezza Rice told me this morning to keep in mind when it comes to signing off on anything, CUP 36. First thing, remember, there's only one decision maker, that's the Ayatollah.

So whoever you're talking to that's right, but he's the decision maker. Whoever you're talking to at the table, you can't really trust that, that is the Iranian position.

So your thoughts, I mean, the President or these negotiators, it's up to the Ayatollah to fully understand how vulnerable he is for this period of time, right?

Well yeah, but I I think the Ayatollah believes that Trump is only bluffing. He says, I'm going to turn down that offer. We have a right, a right to enrichment. They love to use the word right because Americans say, oh, it's a right. Oh, okay.

And we're going to insist that we're putting these f these uh facilities in under mountains, but only for peaceful purposes. There's no reason to do that. And if he wanted a peaceful program, Trump would give it to him. But there should be no enrichment and there should be the dismantlement of all the uh of the of the program. In its entirety.

Keep in mind, this is a regime that since 1979 has been chanting continually death to America, death to Israel. It is a genocidal regime. That's its intention.

Now it wants the ability to carry out those intentions. And it is in a partnership with Putin, a partnership with Xi Jinping, and a partnership with Kim Jong-un in North Korea. We have to keep that in mind. We don't want four countries and an axis of aggressors, all of which have nuclear weapons and the ability to target anywhere in the world. When I say a target anywhere in the world, I'm talking about the ICBMs that Iran wants, not for peaceful purposes, but so it can deliver nuclear warheads to any American target.

I just hope Trump that they realize that he's the same guy who killed Salome.

So I do think. They threatened to kill Trump. Yeah, and threatened. I think the president at one point has to cut. And I don't think Steve Witkoffs is producing anything.

He has no experience in the region. I don't know what he's doing. I think it's time to say to the Ayatollah through his envoys: look, it's too bad we couldn't get a diplomatic solution. We've certainly tried. You want peaceful use of nuclear power?

We can give you that. But you can't have enrichment. You have to dismantle. You can't threaten your neighbors with genocide. You can't threaten the U.S.

You can't have hit squads going around trying to kill Americans. We tried, but we didn't.

So now we have a Plan B. And everybody knows what that Plan B is. It's actually Plan B and C. Plan B is America takes care of this problem itself, as Trump has talked about. Plan C, Israel does it.

With some American cooperation, that would be helpful. Right. We have to supply some of the heavy weaponry, right?

Well, that would be one way to do it. There are a number of ways to look. If the right way to do it with would be a B two bomber and a bunker buster of the kind that the US has and nobody else has, and nobody else has the kind of planes we have. Israel doesn't have it. Israel may have other means to do it.

It would be we can lend them that stuff or give them that stuff, but Our military people can talk to Israel about a longer, slower process that would at least set back. If you could set back the nuclear weapons program by five years, that's a significant accomplishment in this world. How do you see Gaza coming out? You know, IDF is going in. They said they're probably going to occupy at least two-thirds of it.

They're trying to get some aid in there. The Hamas is shooting civilians who are trying to get aid, making the IDF look like they're the guilty ones. And of course, CNN and the BBC are going with that Hamas-led story.

So, your thoughts about do you think Netanyahu has a coherent plan in there? I think there is a coherent plan. And here is what it is. The control that Hamas has is based on two things. Call it guns and butter.

If their military capabilities are destroyed, they run out of ammunition, they run out of weapons, they're not an army anymore, they're based an insurgency based in the subterranean fortress they built over almost 20 years. But if they also don't have food to distribute, after all, what has happened during this war? The aid that's gone in has been taken, appropriated by Hamas. They've then sold it. They've used it as their funding mechanism.

So Israel and the West have essentially funded Hamas all through this. The reason Hamas is so angry now, and so much of the media is on their side, and so many at the UN is on their side, is if they don't have food aid, then they don't have that mechanism to utilize, that funding source that they can't threaten and blackmail the Gazans the same way. And they don't have guns. When Hamas is sufficiently weakened, we're seeing a bit of this now. Then I think the families and clans of Gaza will say it's time for us to get out of this war and begin to rebuild our lives, which have been destroyed, as they know, by Hamas initiating this conflict.

Evidently, there's a Palestinian-American businessman trying to run go-betweens between Netanyahu and Palestinians, because some are standing up against Hamas, some are dying because of it, but they are standing up. We should do a better job recognizing that and backing them up, or the IDF should. Yeah, yeah, I think that would be that's a very good idea, and that's what has to happen. But if you want to make the Hamas impotent, they cannot be taking over the food supplies, the aid, reselling them, taking them down into their tunnels and using them. People have been amazed that the food's being supplied now by this American-led coalition.

It's coming free. They say, what? It's free? We don't have to pay for it? Yeah, you don't have to pay for it.

It's aid. Again, no money, no food for Hamas, and get rid of their weapons, defeat them as best you can. Most of the leadership has been killed off. Then you can begin to repair the terrible damage that Hamas has done to Gaza. Right.

I just do think most of the leadership is killed off, it seems. They certainly ran out of sin wars. Cliff May, founder and president of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. We got three major problems. Hopefully, we're on the path to solving all three of them, and then we move forward with the Abraham Accords.

Cliff, thanks so much. Thanks so much, Brian. You got it. Listen, we're back with some phone calls. 1-866-408-7669.

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Well, I hear something happened while we were at lunch. Which led me to make some news here today and say something I didn't think was imaginable. I agree with Elon Musk. Republicans should listen to him and actually to their former selves, outraged about the national debt. Because it's here, Donald Trump's big, ugly bill is in the Senate.

Behind the smoke in mirrors lies a cruel and draconian truth. Tax breaks for the ultra-wealthy. Paid by gutting health care for millions of Americans. Breaking news: Elon Musk and I agree with each other. The GOP tax scam is a disgusting abomination.

Every single Republican who voted for the one big, ugly bill should be ashamed of themselves. They aren't helping their constituents, they are hurting their constituents. That's an objectively verifiable Fact. Right. Now you agree with the guy you hate more than even Donald Trump, Elon Musk.

So Elon Musk came out, and I just told you before a half hour ago, they tweeted out it's an abomination, too much spending. Anyone should be embarrassed to sign off on it. Speaker Johnson tried to explain to him what's in it. It's a renewal of the tax cuts in there. The only increase in spending from the Republican side is the border and defense, both necessary.

Gut the defense, make it more efficient. That's in a process that's happening. Also, in terms of what he did at saving $175 billion, they're going to begin to put that into the budget $9.8 billion at a time. Hopefully, Republicans will sign off on that because that's all you will need. PBS, NPR.

And the USAID, those are three of the things that are coming off right away, let alone all the. All the other spending NGOs that could be coming down the pike. But now, all of a sudden, Democrats with a straight face are backing Elon Musk, a man you vilified. Totally vilified. And one of the people against it, of course, is Rand Paul.

He's got objections to the bill, but he doesn't want to fix it.

So here is the reaction from the White House. Donald Trump's upset. But this is how Catherine The Caroline Levit handled it, caught one. How mad do you think President Trump is going to be when he finds out that Elon Musk said, I'm sorry, but I just can't stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous, port-filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination.

Shame on those who voted for it. You know you did wrong. You know it. Look, the President already knows where Elon Musk stood on this bill. It doesn't change the President's opinion.

This is one big, beautiful bill, and he's sticking to it. Yeah, and she did a good job spinning it out, but it's bothersome. But what does it have? It's got, I believe this is what's going to happen. They're going to find a way to pass it.

You're going to see some spending, but you're going to see a ton of growth. And then you're going to go in and start looking at entitlements after the midterms. But President Trump said no entitlement. I'm not going to touch entitlements. But I am going to look at some of the other green spending.

Now, what I think threw them a little is Republicans in Blue State said, hey, I got some windmills in my backyard, got some power stations in my backyard.

Some of the car companies said, I got all these incentives. I built auto manufacturing plants over in the South. Reunion-free, and now we're going to stop it.

So, some of this stuff is a little gray area. But I think that Elon Musk had a total reaction. I think he's ticked off that there weren't more Doge cuts or that people weren't given the respect he deserves, which I give him plenty of respect, but he's off on this one. From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Killmead.

Welcome to the latest moments of Brian Killmeek Show. We come to you from 48 and 6 in Midtown Manhattan. John Reinersch is going to be with us at the bottom of the hour: Democratic Strategists. Where do they go from here? How often and how vociferous are you in defending Joe Biden?

And how much do you want to turn the page? And when you do turn the page, what's on that page about your agenda? Newt Gingrich in studio, he's excited. He's got a brand new book out. It came out yesterday.

It's called Trump's Triumph: America's Greatest Comeback. And of course, today, there's a lot going on. Our Secretary of State meets with the Ukrainian president, presidential office head, Andrei Yermak, and the first deputy prime minister are going to be there after those tremendous attacks inside Russia.

So, before we get to the Speaker of the House, let's get to the big three. Number three: So far, this investigation, you know, I call it the nice letters. The nice letters asking the Biden officials to come in went out on May 22nd. It's June 3rd. Subpoenas should.

Be flying off the shelves to these people. That is what Republicans need to do because this matters. Yep, we know what he did. The question is: does Joe Biden know what he did? I'm talking about the president and the use of the auto pen.

It makes investigators think perhaps someone else was running the country as James Comer has begun a massive investigation. But the question is: why is it taking so long? Number two. It is an incredible intelligence coup. Vladimir Putin is undoubtedly now wondering whether there was an inside job.

You're probably going to see a witch hunt in Russia as he tries to figure out who did this inside. Former Secretary of State on with me on Fox and Friends one hour ago. In awe, Ukraine, days after a stunning drone attack inside Russia, they blow the base of the Crimean bridge for the third time. Maybe Putin should consider a peace deal. What do you think?

Number one. How mad do you think President Trump is going to be when he finds out that Elon Musk said, I'm sorry, but I just can't stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous, pork-filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it. You know you did wrong.

You know it. Carolyn Levitt answered. The big, beautiful bill. Battle gets bizarre as Musk attacks, Thune defends, and I imagine Trump seeds. The Senate gets to work to stop ranting and raving and start debating.

We look at that and the trade deals that could come as early as today. Speaker Gingrich, welcome. Good to be with you, as always. Man, there's so much flying around. First off, your reaction to, congratulations on the book, your reaction to Musk's.

Tweets, ex posts, said, I'm sorry, I can't go along with this. Shame on those who voted for it. You know you did wrong, you know it.

Well, look, Musk's a brilliant guy. He really did more than anybody else to get America back in the lead in space. And I admire him for his technical knowledge. He doesn't understand politics and government. He proved that the way he did ma the way he came in with Doge, you know, and and walked around with a power saw when you're talking about people's lives.

I mean, it was it was a horrible contrast. And I think he he's Left Washington in frustration. He has every right to have an opinion. I don't think any senators or House members are going to notice his opinion. They're going to say well, Democrats have pointed out and praised him.

Of course. I mean, look, if you're a Democrat right now, Elon Musk is your favorite person because you think he's causing a problem. I suspect. The President Trump is saddened. I think he liked Musk genuinely.

I think he's probably not deeply shocked because Musk is a guy of very strong language and very strong opinions. And candidly, given the stories that we've seen recently about how much drug use Musk was engaged in, you have to ask yourself: under what circumstance did he say these things? Yeah, I don't know. He didn't really deny anything, but he didn't confirm it, one of which is ketamine. But, Mr.

Speaker, from what you know, it's a thousand pages. From what you know, What do you like about this bill besides the tax cuts being renewed, and what worries you about the bill?

Well, I look, I'm I'm very worried. that we don't have any commitment as a country right now to getting spending under control.

So You go through the any anything you want to cut has 200 people jumping up and down screaming, that'll be horrible. Uh and I think when I was speaker We balanced the budget for four straight years for the only time in a century. And we did it because we had a big goal, which was balancing the budget. And people would tolerate change. Because they saw the goal was so big.

It's very hard to get these kinds of cuts in a vacuum. That concerns me. I'm very concerned that we get the tax cuts through as early as possible. I think if it can get through this summer, and I think it will, then I think you're going to see next year a genuine Trump boom. I think the economy is going to be booming in a way that will be pretty startling.

And you may have seen that the latest numbers on the gross domestic product were dramatically higher. I mean, there was much more economic growth in the last quarter than the economist expected.

So John Thune was on with us yesterday. And here's what he said about the CBO, which seems to be off quite a lot. And one, they project 1.8 percent growth. Cut five. If you look at CBO, Brian, in the past, they have a long history of just flat being wrong.

Over the past seven years, when we were they scored the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, and the economy grew 5 percent more than what they projected. Revenues were $1.5 trillion higher than what they projected in 2017. And when the Democrats passed their so-called Inflation Reduction Act last year, CBO missed the mark on energy provisions by about 400 percent. I mean, these guys are notorious for missing on these projections. One thing we do know is when we reduce taxes and cut regulations and have an abundant energy supply in this country, the economy grows and expands.

And that's where you start seeing these deficits get a lot smaller by comparison.

So do you hear politics in that or do you hear facts in that? In the four years we balanced the budget, We fought with the Congressional Budget Office every day. There are a group about five hundred Liberals sitting in an office building. uh applying their totally false Understanding of how the world works. I think the seat the Congressional Budget Office ought to be replaced.

I think it is destructive of America's future. And I think it is consistently wrong in underscoring the advantage of tax cuts and chip and failing to score accurately uh the size of spending. Let's talk about the President Trump you know. You've known him when he came onto the scene. You were open to him.

You ran for President the previous cycle.

So why was it a traditional conservative Republican like you were open to this business this outsider businessman with ideas that don't come from the conservative playbook? Look. I I tell everybody, Trump is not a traditional conservative. Yeah, he didn't Read National Review. He doesn't automatically fit in the, but he is the most effective.

Anti-liberal. in our lifetime. And so, if your opposition is to left-wing ideas, big government, huge bureaucracy, enormous amounts of deficit spending. Donald Trump's with you. If you're tired of America being taken advantage of worldwide, then Donald Trump's the right guy.

He breaks out of all of the traditional mold of the national establishment, and he does it across the board, and he does it, frankly, with an enormous amount of courage. When he was uh sitting in that courtroom in May. And the jury is deciding whether he's going to be convicted or not and become a felon. If I went up to Newt Gingrich and I said, Newt, what is the chance this guy's going to get the nomination to be the next president? What would you have told me?

100%. Look, the country got it. The country understood. Even at the time you thought that? Oh, yeah.

I mean, I look I started writing Trump's triumph in October because I was convinced he was gonna win. But I always thought he'd win because um He personifies for about half the country. The courage and the drive and the intelligence to break up the establishment. And there was a movement. This is part of why the book's called both Trump's Triumph and the A secondary thing is America's greatest comeback.

The American people were carrying Donald Trump. I mean, the American people helped him beat the... President. And then helped him beat the vice president. Nobody had ever done this in history.

And I think Trump gains enormous strength when he goes to these big rallies and realizes that the New York Times may not like him, Harvard may hate him. Uh the Democrats may be nasty. But there are millions of Americans. who believe he is the one guy who can save this country. Uh the the the whole election was rigged.

all the way through. I mean, when none when none of the uh Internet companies would carry the New York Post for the last three weeks, as the New York Post accurately reported on the the Hunter Biden laptop scandal. When fifty-one uh intelligence officers sign a totally false letter. Saying that the Biden laptop is a Russian from Leon Panetta, guys had respect to Mike Morrell, who was Bush's former deputy. They betrayed.

They're Trust to the nation. When you have Zuckerberg at Facebook, now Meta putting in, I think, $420 million. uh to turn out the vote in Democratic precincts, 420 million. You had up every single thing, and what you had was the last stand of the old order doing everything it could to beat Donald Trump. And you think that was part of it, but he did get more votes than anybody else in Republican history.

But it's Joe Biden got eighty two, but eighty two million. I don't say it was stolen election day, but I say it was rigged for months and months and months. And they did everything they could to make sure he couldn't win. The efficient brapping is sometimes we forget. President Trump was president.

And yet people on the outside Seem to be undermining him with more power. It's like the Biden team and the Democrats seem to have had more power because they had a cooperative media than the sitting president.

So instead of using the power of the presidency, he was like, well, what happened? How did we lose all this influence? What was going on on social media? And I feel like that's been broken. The things you described have been broken.

The opposition. I mean, look, that's why Trump's triumph is so important because. When they did everything they could. Investigations, two impeachments, four efforts to put him in jail, two assassination attempts. And he's still standing, and he clearly has more votes than Kamala Harris, and he carries all seven of the swing states.

I think it sort of broke morally. the rational wing of the left. And they said, you know. The country's sending us a really big signal here.

Now the emotional Religious wing of the left, the AOCs, uh, are just going to double down because they have a religious belief system, not a political belief system.

So the President of the United States also is a situation where I think he thoroughly understands the job. He went from the least experienced president to the most experienced president. Historians will look back and say that it was remarkably helpful. that he got four years in the wilderness. 'Cause if he if he had gotten reelected He wouldn't have had the time to think through.

Everything that he had learned to think through what worked, what didn't work. It made him dramatically. Who to use, who not to use? Yeah. I mean, so they he's been much tougher.

about who is in the administration. And he's been much more thoughtful about realizing he's building a team. And I think he picked J.D. Vance in that sense. Vance is a year younger than Richard Nixon.

When Eisenhower picked Nixon. And Vance is now the youngest vice president in American history. And that was deliberate because he felt that Vance understood MAGA and Vance would be in fact a continuation of Trump. After the 28 election. What's also underappreciated, but not by you and your book, is that for a 78-year-old guy, He's remarkably open to 20 and 30 year olds.

And number two is to something brand new. As much as he likes tradition, AI, tell me about it. Uh crypto. Let's learn more about it.

So I'm open to it. And The fact that he's open to it, doesn't come off as an expert, bring it. David Sachs, come on in here. Maybe you want to be my czar for this. Let's find out what these people want.

And Joe Biden made it easy by saying, I want nothing to do with either one of those things. More with Newt Gingrich in a moment. By the way, his book is now out. You should go grab it. Trump's Triumph: America's Greatest Comeback.

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Hey, we are back a few more minutes with Newt Gingrich, whose book is now out. It's called Trump's Triumph, America's Greatest Comeback. New, you mentioned you finished it in October. You thought for sure he was going to win. We began writing in October because we were confident that Trump's going to be a good idea.

Trump was going to be president again. You can just see it coming. I mean, you knew that, and this is why I wrote the book as both Trump's Triumph and America's Greatest Comeback. You knew that the American people were not going to accept Connell Harris. They hadn't accepted Biden.

And in a sense, this is the end of the Obama-Biden cycle. And you can think of this as Clinton, too. Yeah. This is sort of like Obama's third term. Yeah.

When you look at the Civil War going on with the Democratic Party, I know you're you're such a student of history and you lived a lot of it in modern times, but we are looking at a situation now with the Democrats where if you were by Joe Biden. and didn't say anything. I'm running against you, and I'm pointing that out. I'm not waiting for a Republican.

So does that mean that you could get rid of the Vice President as governor and Villa Garosa goes after him? Does that mean that you could just say to Pete Buddha Judge, Mr. Secretary, you ignored the American people, you led a failing president there, and does that marginalize all these people's political future? Yeah, I I think anybody who was close to Biden. is going to have a very hard time getting through.

the next cycle of primaries. Because their competitors are going to say, you know, you were part of lying to the American people. Why should we believe you now? I get the sense that Trump has changed over the last couple of days where he's like, I am blaming Biden less and his people more. He wants to get to the end because he can't figure out why anyone would let the border, for example, go down like that.

How you leave Afghanistan the way you did. How does that make sense?

Well and I locked it. I think you can almost stipulate. that sometime may be by twenty three. Biden wasn't there. I mean, th th what you have to then say is, so who are the people who took over the power constitutionally of the President.

My favorite example is in early January after the after the the election. Uh there are 2400 Commutation signed in one day.

Now, how do you do that?

Somebody somewhere put that list together. Why? Why is each name on there? What's the deal? They then instructed the The auto pen operator, on behalf of the President, who had no idea what they were doing.

Uh and I th I just think it's crazy. I'm wondering, do you have 2400 commutations? And did someone get paid on that? When people say give me some money, my murdering uncle needs to get out of prison. You have to wonder.

What the deal was in each one of those cases. And that's one, that's only one day. But then you have to look at all the money that they were dumping out of the Department of Energy. I think $93 billion. Secretary Wright called it shoveling it out.

Uh So who was making those kind of decisions? And I think what you're going to find is This is the largest scandal in American history, much bigger than anything we've ever seen before. There were more people breaking the law and behaving as though they were president. Than we've ever seen. put them under oath and uh as as I've heard uh Chairman Comer say just as Like last night.

If they lie under oath it is a felony. And this administration will prosecute. Do you think they're too slow to hit him with subpoenas? I think they're going through a process which is sort of built into the law. Then we have to we have to compensate to you pretty please.

You have to have a chance to get a lawyer. And then and th when that's up, we can then subpoena you. If you refuse to come in voluntarily, we lived through Trump's comeback. What do we see in your book that you wouldn't get unless you had the view of Newt Gingrich?

Well, I think I think the whole understanding Of really sort of a dance between the American people who were determined. to stop this left-wing system. And extraordinarily charismatic leader. who was able to become the symbol of that change. And to become, particularly after Butler, when he was shot and he stood up and put his fist up in the air and chanted, fight, fight, fight.

I mean, at that point, he became an iconic leader. In a way that's almost like the Middle Ages. This is an astonishing moment. He's in a rush to get things done, and I think we're all going to benefit from it. Speaker Gingrich, thanks so much.

Pick up his book, Trump's Triumph. He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Killmead. If you dig in on what Democrats are researching right now, you're gonna find a lot of silly stuff. You're gonna find people asking a lot of questions, people asking about syntax and do I drop the G for this word and this and that, and it's gonna be a lot of that.

So, let me just warn everybody: that process is gonna be very obnoxious. We're really talking about young men, right? Young men who Democrats have not figured out a consistent pitch for how to get in front of. And I think it starts with authenticity. Stop creating purity tests for people because they don't agree with you eight or nine times.

And that is a more civilized way that the talk than James Carville usually talks, but that's what he's been saying. John Rinas joins us now, Democratic strategist, and that was another Democratic strategist just speculating on where the party goes from here as the Republicans have their own fight about passing the big, beautiful bill. John, welcome back. Thanks, man. Good to have you.

So, your thought right now on the Democrats' push, number one, I guess their focus over the last few weeks has been winning back men. What went wrong? What do you say?

Well, when your political and media ecosystem, your messaging ecosystem, and look, I'll speak bluntly, has spent the past decade or so dealing. Demonizing men. Demonizing young men. Telling them how wrong they are, take a seat, guy, etc. You're going to have trouble getting hired.

You're going to have trouble getting into college, et cetera.

So, when you spend your time doing that, what do you think the effect is going to be? It's going to alienate people from you.

So, now there's this whole sort of rush to, quote, get young men back. Maybe it'll work and maybe it doesn't. But what you got to do is meet people where they are, chill with the demonization, right? And be the party that creates opportunity for everyone. Doesn't organize people in this DC Beltway way by identities.

It was speculated by John on Mark Halperin's two-way talk. He was having a conversation. He says, one of the worst things that could happen to Democrats is for them to win the House. Because they will spend the next two years going after Trump. Whatever it was, indicting his family, trying to impeach him.

And it'll stop them from looking for. 2028 candidates that would turn the page and get them in a new focus. What is your thoughts about that? I will say that. If Democrats become smart and strategic again, they won't be looking for 2028 candidates inside the beltway, inside the baggage-heavy Washington ecosystem.

They will be looking at state capitals, governors who are popular, charismatic, capable. And win the center.

So, look, is it my hope that Democrats do take back the House? Of course. Is the margin razor thin? And if history proves as history frequently does, which is to be correct, party out of power loses seats. Speaker Johnson has very few seats to lose.

So, look. But, however, to your point, Democrats, should they win, should spend time. Doing popular things, positioning their 2028 candidate, whoever they may be, for success, not proceeding. On the kind of hunts that you're talking about, which proved very unpopular and, quite frankly, only made Donald Trump stronger.

So, when you look at, you know, James Comer's going to go ahead and find out who was working the Auto Pen. Was the president really for the 2,400 commutations at the end, let alone the bigger ones with preemptive pardons to Fauci, Milley, and his son?

So, it looks like he actually signed the Hunter one, but it looks like an Auto Pen signed the other one. I don't know how you get to the bottom of it without going after the president himself, which I don't think he has to submit, although Reagan did, do and testify after he was done. Here's Victor Davis Hansen, a military historian from Hoover, Cut16. What Biden did in those four years. will go down in presidential history as one of the most Egregious transgressions against the American people.

And every day we're going to learn about an innocent person killed.

Somebody from the Middle East terrorizing a Jewish person, it's going to keep going. And these are like landmines because there was no audit, there was no background checks, there was no nothing. And he's talking about the border and the eight million people minimum that got through at the time, and no one could understand it. I watched Senator Fetterman the other day and says, yes, we should have enforced the border. Of course, we should have enforced the border.

That's not a Republican thing. Because I thought Barack Obama was doing a lot of deportation, right? Bill Clinton, if you whale back some of his cuts, he sounds more determined than Donald Trump to shut down the border. Right. Well, it was one of those lots to unpack it in this.

But let me just say this: it is a stunning example of just how out of step. The Biden administration and the establishment D.C. Democrats that followed them. Unquestionably. In pursuing unpopular politics and unpopular policy.

Voters spoke with one voice. What matters to us? Public safety, and we include the border in that. The affordability crisis, we include inflation in that. And the Biden administration either answered with wonky data which no one can relate to or they say you're wrong.

or you're racist, or that doesn't exist. And then that put the whole party at a disadvantage. But this is what happens when you don't get outside the beltway and you're listening to special interest purity test groups, which I know your guests have talked a lot about. One more quick thought, Brian, if you don't mind. You did mention Comer.

I will say there is a flashing red light for him, too. It is maybe not wise. Yeah, throw some red meat at the base, but to spend your time instead of delivering on the President Trump's agenda and doing things that the American people put you in power to do in terms of delivering results and being seen as focusing on the past at pursuing the Biden family. I don't know outside of the base how interest of the Republican base how interesting that is to voters.

So I think that there's a warning sign there. I think there's so too, but the problem is the oversight, that's what they do, basically. But I do think that there's definitely a risk there. For example, what is the goal?

So let's say you find out that these cadre of people that Jake Tapper writes about, Politburo, kept the Cabinet secretaries at bay and made all these decisions. All right. Having said that, end.

So, like, when you find that out, it's terrible. It's historians will have a field day with this. But then, what's your point, John, is then what?

Well, right, because those people don't run for office anyway. Then, what and to what end? And also, when you talk about the Polyporo, you know, Raschetti, and Nero less so. Nero was not up there in that inner circle in the White House. It was Reed, Roschetti, Schultz, Donnell, and Dunn.

It's Valerie Biden-Owens. It's those people. Nero was never that close in, in I think my estimation. But I will say this: those people are not of consequence anymore. Those people are not getting hired.

That's your point. Those people are not getting hired for any jobs. They are the past. They're not the future.

So, what's the impact really going to be? These people are in their 80s. They're probably all trying to get book deals. I wouldn't read that book. But, you know, those people are also really exiles within the party now of their own doing.

Because they were bullies, too. They would intimidate, according to Tapper and Company, when they would try to get close, they would get bulldozed. Sure. How dare you ask this question? You're ageist.

Or we're going to lock you out. Sure. So here's Senator Fetterman, another guy who's presented on Grotto with the left, but maybe you have a different view. Here he is speaking on Monday side by side with Dave McCormick, the Republican from Pennsylvania, Cut 21. The more kinds of left kind of media continues to have these kinds of an attack, and it's just part of a smear, and that's just not an accurate, it's just not accurate.

And we've moved on and why we're still having this conversation. Why at this point? I'm here. I'm doing that job. I'm defending on all those things and all of those important votes.

I'd like to point out that Bernie and Senator Murray missed more, missed more.

So why aren't the left media yelling and demanding them or claiming they're not doing their job and those kind of a thing? Just be genuine on that. What do you hear? What's the reality in Washington about Senator Fetterman? Are they mad that he's a moderate or they think that he is not doing his job?

I think there's a mixture. I will say this, I think there's another layer. I think that this was a huge attempt by the far progressive left to punish a pro-Israel supporter. I think that's a big, big factor. What about the fact that he went to Mar-a Lago?

Did that bother you? Donald Trump won his state. John Fetterman is a blue collar guy who represents broad, broad swaths of voters, many of whom voted for Donald Trump. Fetterman very intelligently realized, and Fetterman's not a kiss ass, but Fetterman realized Trump won my state. I should have a relationship with the president.

I should work across the aisle to deliver for Pennsylvania. And if that puts him in touch with the base, with the activist base, so what? I think that he looks like he's had his challenges, mental health, physical health. That's been well documented. But A, I think he's being punished by the progressive base, including some of his own staff, for being a pro-Israel guy.

I also think that, you know, the far left is still insistent on these purity tests. Look how far that got them. By the way, he lost another staffer, I think, yesterday. Resign. We don't know why.

Maybe that's one of the reasons. Here's how many voters are interested in staff palace intrigue on the hill: zero. Here is Senator So I asked Senator Thune, are you going after Fetterman? Remember Jim Jeffords famously flipped the Senate by changing parties, Cut 22. Senator Fetterman, it's an indication he's fed up with the Democratic Party.

Have you actively recruited him for the Republican Party?

Well, we've got people who are talking to him. I don't think at this point he's, and I mean, I can't speak for him, but I know, Brian, that there are overtures, obviously, that get made. And I think more than anything else, we just want him to know that he shouldn't let those guys get him down. I mean, he's under attack by his own side, by the far left in this country, and he's making some hard votes. And, you know, if he wants a place or a home in the Republican Party, I'll tell you what, we'll welcome him.

It seems like they're not. What do you think? Well, if they tried and failed to recruit Joe Manchin for years, I think they are going to. Half heartedly try, I think it's more of a talking point than anything. I I don't think there's a real effort and I don't think that John Fetterman is flipping to Republican.

Do you think uh that Joe Manchin Help to hurt your party by standing up to the 52 states, standing up against adding two states, and standing up against the filibuster to keep it. I think that he impeded a lot of progress that could have. Delivered for the Democratic Party. I think he took somewhat of a perverse joy in doing so. But again, but what about those two things I said?

How do you feel about the adding two states? You probably was the only one standing in the way along with cinema. Yeah, I I also think that that that was a big talking point. There was never any real mechanism in place to fill a business to do all of this. Philippos, you know, they're pretty bad now.

Yeah. And it's really bad. And look, the road to retake the Senate is beyond. Uphill for Democrats, but I will say to Democratic voters and the party and activists: this: we need a John Fetterman. Who's who's going to win Pennsylvania?

I mean, and if you look outside of, you know, certain mid-hanging fruit in the Senate map in 2026, do we really think that we're going to be, I mean, hopefully one can break through and do things differently and being competitive in red states. We used to be much more competitive in red states, just the way Republicans used to be much more competitive in blue states. But things are very much sorted on a partisan basis right now. Maine, for example, Collins is needed in Maine. People can only get so mad at Susan Collins because she has to represent Maine.

Sure. And Maine is a blue state. The second district is much more red, but Maine is a blue state, and Collins has a beyond well-established brand there. Sarah Gideon tried really hard last time around, raised tens and tens and tens of millions of dollars. The polling was in her favor.

She lost by like eight points because Susan Collins was so well-established, and people trusted her and felt they knew her. Lastly, When it comes to the border, do you believe that the Democrats? When they decided to run again, we'll talk about a strong border because they saw what it cost them, and they also saw Trump basically just shut it down.

So when people say it's not possible, you could actually Take that off the table almost by saying that we're for a strong border. Democrats should unequivocally be for a strong border. That is being pro-public safety, strong national defense. This is also what voters, including Democratic voters, want. And look, evil genius, but like the most talented political practitioner were Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis sending migrants into blue states.

That made even a lot of Democratic voters in cities say, Oh, that's This is what you guys have been going through in border cities in Texas. I think I understand now. Your stand on the elite institutions. Highlighting anti-Israeli behavior, anti, in some cases, pro-Hamas. You will get the cover in the New York Post.

Sure. Your sense on education and where the Democrat should stand. I mean Four. That the Democrats allowed themselves to be tarred with the globalize the anti-fata. Group.

I think really hurt them with Jews in the last election. You saw Jews in the suburbs, not even just in swing states like Pennsylvania, flip red for the first time since Reagan. But you also saw it in the suburbs around New York City. New Jersey, Connecticut, Nassau County, Westchester. And a lot of Jewish voters flipped because.

The the feeling was Democrats are coddling these anti-Semitic activists on campus. Why? Because they're afraid of losing their own base. That that's not even accurately your base. Before we go, the top three candidates that you're looking at now to see if they've got presidential timber on the left.

Sure. And luckily, they're not on the far left. They're right in the center, and they're charismatic and talented people. Bashir from Kentucky, Shapiro, who Kamala Harris should have picked as her VP from Pennsylvania, Westmore of Maryland. And you look to see a lot of governors on that debate.

Absolutely. Go outside of Washington. Everyone hates Washington. Be a capable chief executive from a state. John Reinish, Democratic strategist.

Thanks so much. Thank you. Back in a moment. Both sides, all opinions. It's Brian Killmead.

Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. All right, we're back. It was good to get all perspectives: New Kingdom, the old bit conservative, John Reinish, the Democratic strategist, to find out where we're going politically. But right now, just like the big story on the left.

Is uh What did you know about Joe Biden? When did you know it? And how are you related to him? On the right, it is about now. Getting the bill passed, the big, beautiful bill, and what's in it.

So Now we have a story where the Senator Ron Johnson was attacked by the White House in the budget debate, urges Trump to dial it down, so he wants the fighting to stop.

Well I think that is, for the most part, this is a dial-down President Trump. He wants people to get to work and be busy. He didn't say much of the scrin of Speaker Johnson, he didn't come out and say, don't touch the bill. He said, Go make it better.

So go make it better and stop talking. That's what I think bothers him more. And guys like Rand Paul saying this, cut too. To put things in perspective, the bill increases spending for the military and for Porter over $300 billion. The Doge cuts, which aren't in this bill, were about $200 billion.

So this bill actually increases in the first couple of years spending more than all the Doge cuts combined. All right, the Dones Cut combined, but they also figure in something totally different, and that is the growth. of the uh of the economy because of things that are in that bill. And not just extending the tax cuts. Josh Holmes on Elon Musk's criticism and Rand Paul's criticism, who used to be chief of staff for Mitch McConnell.

Listen to this, cut seven. He got the first part right with Doge. Outside the box, identifying things. The second part, not so much. He's talking about a spending bill.

This is a reconciliation package. We deal with mandatory spending, which is entitlements, and we deal with taxes. This is about whether or not the American people deserve to keep their tax rates where they are. It has absolutely nothing to do with the spending side of it, which you can address in the appropriations process. It's kind of like a Washington 101.

So I think a lot of this is shooting back and forth without kind of a basic understanding of how the government processes these things.

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So glad you're there. We're here in New York City. Liz Klayman, bottom-of-the-hour breakdown, what's happening with the trade negotiations. We're in a tariff deal, deadline today. We want to see all the proposals, and they might be on the trade desk right now from our allies, and wouldn't hurt to have China, but that's not likely.

And Carl Robe is standing by right now, and we're seeing a lot of breaking news. Elon Musk weighing in even more against the bill, saying we're basically going to be bankrupt in the country. I don't think he understands exactly what's in the bill to begin with. And it isn't really a spending bill, except for the border, which I believe he understands we got to build up. And I believe he understands, too, that we got to build up the defense.

So, besides those two things, there's really not much spending in it. Joining us now is Carl Robe, former Deputy Chief of Staff, Senior Advisor to President George W. Bush. Carl, welcome back. Are you surprised that Musk is declaring war on this bill?

I sort of am. I have a sense that this is a personal drama. you know, the administration and the speaker have been open about how they understand that he's upset about the um You know, we're we're undoing the green new deal. Incentive there, and his cars and the sale of his cars depends upon a s healthy subsidy. Everybody who buys one of his cars gets a subsidy from the federal government in the thousands of dollars, and that's about ready to come to an end.

So, Speaker Johnson spent several minutes behind closed doors with House Republicans just moments ago, pushing back on Musk, trying to reassure Republicans that Musk signaled that he thinks lawmakers who support the mega bill should be ousted next year.

So, they're amping up the rhetoric.

So, now all of a sudden, Democrats say this guy's making a lot of sense. They have no credibility on that. No, none at all. None at all. And look, it's hard to figure out Elon Musk's what he's going to do in a year.

It's hard to figure out what he might do in six months or six days. But his track record on the political front, he's been extensively on behalf of the President. But he can't Underwrite challenges. To Republicans in primaries, and he's certainly, I suspect, not going to get involved in supporting Democrats in the general election. If he's worried about Republicans spending too much, what the heck is he concerned about Democrats doing?

Right. And by the way, how would you characterize this bill?

Well, look, there are parts of it I like. I mean, I really think and we're in the middle of this. Let's not kid ourselves. The big, beautiful bill passed the House. Incidentally, I want you to think about this for just a second.

Jerry Conley died on the a U. S. Congressman from Northern Virginia died on the morning of the twenty first of May. And the vote Was on the 22nd of May. And if he had been alive, it would have probably been deadlocked 215 to 215 rather than passing by 215 to 214.

If he were alive on the 22nd, there's a likelihood the bill would have been dead temporarily.

So this is a narrowly divided house.

So the Senate is going to have to the Senate is just not going to stake the House bill and do and take it and say, okay, you wrote it, we're going to take it. This is a big process. And so I like the reauthorization of the 2017 tax cuts. I like the fact that in the Senate they're talking about making some of the more pro-growth policies. permanent so that there's an even greater boost to the economy.

Some of the spending cuts I like, some of the spending cuts I don't like. But look, this is a process. And we're just in the beginning of it. The idea that this is somehow going to magically be done. In a matter of days, is ridiculous.

It might not even be done by July 4th in the Senate, and it might not be done by the time that they go home in August for recess. Remember, in twenty seventeen, with a margin in the House of forty-some odd seats, the Republicans finally sent a bill to the President's desk for him to sign for the twenty seventeen tax cuts on december twenty second.

So, when we talk about the trade deals, which were also a self-inflicted deadline to come in with your deals, Japan, India, EU, and others, today's the day. I wait for the President to come out and now do what he did with the UK a couple of weeks ago, start announcing the framework for these deals. How hard is it? What am I missing?

Well, it is hard. Trade deals are by their very nature are hard.

Now trade agreements, that is to say, we agreed that here's the framework for it, those are easier and frankly, that's what we're starting to see. And Great Britain was one of our easiest ones. Remember, we run a trade surplus with Great Britain. That is to say, we sell them more than they buy from us.

So, these others are going to be more difficult, countries like the EU generally, where if you look at the European Union as a totality, we sell them less than we buy from them. And that's where it gets into the more difficult issues. But look, this was self-inflicted. They sent out Peter Navarro, who said we're going to get 90 deals done in 90 days. I don't know what he was smoking or drinking, but that is completely impossible.

This is a difficult thing to do. The president's personal involvement in this is critical. And this is one instance where you want to lower the expectations and over-deliver.

So, Connelisa Rice was on with me today. We talked about the Russia-Ukraine and the Ukrainians' daring move to blow up the base of the bridge connecting Russia and Crimea, as well as the drone attack that had 117 drones strategically located inside Russia, blow up various military targets. Listen to what Condi said. Cut 23. It is an incredible intelligence coup.

Vladimir Putin is undoubtedly now wondering whether there was an inside job. You're probably going to see a witch hunt in Russia as he tries to figure out who did this inside. So it just shows that just with a little bit of help, the Ukrainians can make Vladimir Putin pay for his aggression.

So it was pretty impressive. Want to put it in perspective, Carl? Unbelievably impressive. Think about this. One-third of the airborne nuclear strike facility capability of Russia was knocked out, billions of dollars of aircraft destroyed by twelve hundred dollar drones.

And the base in Siberia is three thousand eight hundred miles away from the border with Ukraine. This is an it's also a wake-up call to us. Because just as the Ukrainians were able to do that to the Russians, imagine a Chinese cargo ship in the port of New Orleans, and emerging from it is our drones headed for Barksdale Air Force Base in Shreport, Louisiana, where our B-52s are. Think about the F-22s that we have in Alaska. This is a wake-up call.

We need to make certain that we harden our aircraft shelter so that we don't suffer the same kind of an attack by one of our adversaries that Russia has just endured.

So I want you to hear the Secretary thought Putin's willingness to have legitimate peace is about Cut 25. I do think there's a little part of Vladimir Putin that recognizes, particularly, that the energy infrastructure in Russia is degrading and that he would be better off to stop this war, but it's being overcome by that other Putin who still thinks he can extinguish Ukraine. And you know, he the he needs the President more than the President needs him. And so making very clear to him that he's not going to get his maximalist claims is extremely important at this point. By the way, they're meeting right now.

I was able to. to have a contact with the President this morning, and Vladimir Putin says, I need to speak to you.

So it's happening right now. He, she, you like you, the former Secretary of State, knows Vladimir Putin. What do you think about her assessment? I think it's absolutely accurate. Look, Connie got inside the mind of Putin, and she also could peel Lavrov, his foreign policy guy, like a grape.

Remember, she's a Russia specialist. And she has spent her entire career studying Russia. She has watched the rise of Putin. She saw how he was, you know, he was sort of in the early 2000s. He was sort of.

You know, he was at a loss as to what to do. He got radicalized by the color revolutions in 2004 and 2005 and came out a different person. And she saw this. Movement of him, and I think has a very realistic view. I think she's absolutely right.

This is the moment for the president to be tougher because he's going to have to say to Vladimir, Vladimir, you haven't been listening to me, you've been disrespecting me, your people have been over the top in their criticism of me, and you've been ignoring everything I have been giving, all the off-ramps I've been giving you.

So, if you're going to do that, you know what? We're muscling up. Because you cannot win this thing on the battlefield unless we walk away. And I don't see Donald Trump as Chamberlain. I don't see him as Joe Biden saying we're bailing out.

I mean, he's been very critical of Biden giving up Bagram Air Force Base, which I thought was an important point. And it showed how much Trump understood the projection of American power is important.

So the moment is coming where Putin's going to have to make a decision. Shall I take what I got? Crimea and part of the Donbass and accept a situation like North and South Korea, where we have a demarcation line at the 38th parallel, and we don't have an official end of the war, but each side has the territory that it has, and they go their separate ways knowing that they're going to be locked up against each other. And the moment is coming. He cannot win this thing.

He is degrading his country. She's absolutely right. Remember John McCain? He once said that Russia is a filling station with nuclear weapons, a gasoline station.

Well, the gas station, which provides the money, Is degrading, and their ability to sell their oil and gas into the world is declining. And the prices they're getting today are less than the world prices because of the sanctions we put on. Put more sanctions, make it more difficult, and the economy is going to create. I hope so. And then the Iranian deal, how much longer would you hold out?

Sure. Well, the Again, I don't want to be the negotiations. We hear things that may or may not be true. Obviously, saying to the Iranians, you can have a domestic. and enrichment program would be very problematic because that would simply be a continuation of what they've been doing.

Allowing them just to have that domestic nuclear uh civilian nuclear power is an entirely different thing. But again, this goes back to what do the Iranians feel about the region? Are they worried that they're now going to be boxed out because of the President's success in cementing relationships with the Saudis and others in the region? Will that cause them to finally say, you know what, we need to give up our nuclear ambitions? This is a very difficult negotiation.

Go back to what he did in the first term. Maximum pressure was the name of the campaign that he had, and it worked. All right. Carl Rove, it's going to be an interesting month, the sprint to get the big, beautiful bill better, and hopefully get the facts out about what's in it. Carl, thank you.

Yes, sir. All right. Back in a moment. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Kilmead.

Hi, I'm Corrine Jean-Pierre and I am the author of a new book that's coming out this fall called Independent. I think we need to stop thinking in boxes and think outside of our boxes and not be so partisan. And the way that I see moving forward in this space that we're in right now is if you are willing to stand side by side with me, regardless of your political, how you identify politically, and as long as you respect the community that I belong to and vulnerable communities that I respect, I will be there with you. I will move forward with you. And that is, I think, so important.

So, this book Independent, it's about looking outside of boxes, not just always being in a partisan stance, and how do we move forward together in a compassionate way, in a way that really truly cares about people. What are you putting me through? Why did you make me listen to this? I thought you were going to run to pre-order that book as fast as you could.

Well, I got to finish the show first. Oh, fair.

So, KJP is writing a book, the most partisan person ever, about somebody who's independent and open. And we shouldn't be putting everyone in boxes. Yes, we should not.

Meanwhile, the first black lesbian press secretary, no boxes, three separate boxes. She got that job completely unqualification. Exactly, and she kept it. She was so good at it. Right.

And by the way, they begged her to leave. uh after the midterms and she got they had a job lined up for her, was it Emily's List or something like that, to be an executive. She said, No, I'm gonna stay and she became senior policy adviser to the Corps. I mean, you gotta be kidding me. It's insane.

I would love to hear like an unfiltered conversation from John Kirby, right? How many times did he have to go out there and be briefing with her? I've totally forgot. How did John Kirby? Admiral Kirby go up there.

And no, the person that he was representing and speaking for was incapable of making a decision. Was he going to say that I thought he was fine? I mean, how often did he see him? I mean, how often did he see him or speak to him is the question. But also for John Kirby to be there with as a white male, knowing the only reason he doesn't have that job right now is because of the black lesbian instead.

But don't put him in a box. Don't put him in a box. You know the story with that whole thing, remember? That he couldn't pick on his own reporters. She had to pick on the reporters that he would have to answer for since the Ukraine war, remember?

Or excuse me, Afghanistan, they realize you need a military expert to explain because she doesn't know anything. Period. Realize that she picked his reporter. His reporters. Because she wanted to be in control.

She is the director. He is an expert.

So what's better for the country doesn't matter. Not in boxes, though. No one's going to be in a box. The only thing I will say is when she does do interviews for this book in October, we have months, but I mean, I. I'm curious to hear if people actually press her on what she experienced with Biden, if he was like the sharpest man, as she claimed.

We'll put it this way. She wouldn't do Jake I don't think she would possibly do Jake Tapper's show. I mean what is she just gonna do MSNBC though? She'll probably do Anderson Cooper. We'll please your Um And they're going to be forced to ask real questions because their whole reputation is on the line.

I mean, is she gonna do the daily show? I just see is J Jon Stewart do you think Jon Stewart would let her off easy? Bill Maher? No way will Bill Maher will get it. And even like the Pod Save America guys, like all of them have been very critical on how the Biden administration handled.

Biden and his mental acuity.

So I don't know many friendly outlets that aren't going to drill her on this.

Okay. I just want to talk about the book. It's a little off base, but let's talk about politics just a little bit because you know, Jake Steinfeldt's thinking about running for governor, right? Uh-huh. And He worked with Arnold Schwarzenegger, so he saw Arnold do the transition and he saw the problems he was having from the acting world to the real world.

Transition from actor to politician. Actor to politician.

So he I guess did a movie with his son Patrick. Here's what he said. about when he told his family he's gonna be a politician. Cut 41. There were several parts that I was supposed to play that never ended up being done because A.

I was uh having two movies a year, and they got more than that. And B, then eventually in 2003. as you remember I ran for governor and became governor, which of course you guys hated. I mean, it was the funniest thing that I've ever seen. It was you coming to me and says, what happened?

We had so much fun. going to the set and watching you blow things up. And now what do you want me to do to go to the Capitol and watch a bunch of guys in suits and they take themselves so seriously? And all of you were rebelling. Including his wife.

Remember his wife's like, okay, I'm running this whole thing.

So if you're going to run for office, then she made him a Democrat.

Well, I mean But um but you do see the point. I think that's also why a lot of qualified people don't run for politics because Because of that explanation. You know, miserable on the family, and it's no fun.

Well, more Cubans said that. You know, the main thing, he just said answers right away. Here's the one to think about it. I got to get support. You ignore my family?

Said no.

So, and remember, he said his family doesn't even like going to Dallas Maverick games.

So he kept the seats. I to believe it or not, At my daughter's graduation, My son's graduation. I met the guy. that negotiated the deal to have Mark Cuban become minority owner. No way.

And he said the one thing that Mark always shakes hand and goes, Thanks, you got me my money. The one thing he needed, Mark needed those seats. He needed to have a boxer and he needed it. That was his whole exit plan. He needed the same access, but he didn't want to be the owner.

And then they had this great year, and then he had nothing to do with the biggest lopsided trade in NBA history, which still makes no sense today. But he still got a lot of crap for it. Right, but this is why you go to graduations. A talk show that's real. This is the Brian Kill Me Show.

USTR sent this letter to all of our trading partners just to give them a friendly reminder that the deadline is coming up. And they are in talks. Ambassador Greer, Secretary Besson, Secretary Luttnick are in talks with many of our key trading partners around the globe, as you know, Brian. I know the Wall Street Journal has covered this quite heavily. And they continue to be engaged in those discussions.

And this letter was simply to remind these countries that the deadline is approaching and the president expects good deals, and we are on track for that, I will emphasize.

So, Press Secretary Caroline Levitt yesterday talking about today, maybe having some deals come in. What do we hear? We hear Japan is close. We hear India is close. We hear the EU is making great progress, but no deal announced yet.

Liz Klayman's all over this. Anchor the Clayman countdown begins at 3 p.m. Eastern today. Liz, great to see you. We are all over the story, I'm telling you.

We're waiting, Brian. Nothing yet. No hard and fast proofs about the deals. Are you surprised? No.

No, because he Here's the problem, and it is, as you've been saying, a self-inflicted wound on behalf of the administration. They keep moving the goalposts. They keep changing the dates and they keep running forward and then saying, Okay, don't worry, we'll give you a few more yards on our side and backing off of these deadlines.

So, which deadline is real?

Well, President Trump said on Monday, I now want your best and final offers. Wednesday, that kicked in at midnight tonight. We have not had any word from the White House, although we are expecting that President Trump will have a closed. Meeting or an executive order signing later in the afternoon, right around the final hour of trade, 3 p.m. Eastern.

So we're watching the markets. But as of the moment, the closest we have is As far as we know, a memo of intent. By the United Kingdom to strike different deals. And there is a little bit of breaking news here. The 50% levies on steel and aluminum, which the President signed in this morning, that's in effect.

He actually gave a carve-out to the United Kingdom to keep them at 25% because they are apparently so close to a deal. But there's no formalized deal. But they're moving. They are moving. The EU made great progress last weekend.

I thought they kind of worked it out two weeks ago, and they were going to, and everyone says it was an accelerated path. And they say the one thing that trade experts say the hard thing to tackle is the VAT tax. How do you quantify the VAT tax as it relates to tariffs?

So, okay, you paid this, this is your tariff, and it's down, but now I'm paying a VAT tax on every product.

So, how do you figure that in? Yeah, VAT value-added tax, which a lot of European countries have, and it benefits their companies.

So, it is, in a way, something that everybody looks at. But the fact is, at the moment, these things take money. Months under normal circumstances.

Now, there is something called Trump time. He loves to move quickly. We get that. And it sure is nice to see the government being pushed along more quickly. But when you are talking with other countries, an entire European Union, More than two dozen countries here that are represented.

These things take time, they have to be voted upon. I mean, it was weeks ago that Howard Luttnick, the Commerce Secretary, almost too boldly came out and said, Done, done, done. A deal is done. It'll happen this week. That was weeks ago.

It just needs to be voted on by Parliament. He never said which country. Everybody thought either India or the United Kingdom. Neither has. has signed on the dotted line.

So let's talk about the other big story, and that is the big, beautiful bill. We know about the tax cuts. They would love to get that, make them permanent. The really big spending deals are in the Pentagon up to a trillion to $140 billion, and they're going to add money to the border. That was too much money for Rand Paul, and obviously, too much for Elon Musk, who continues to post about how much he's upset by this bill and says anyone who votes for it basically should lose their seat.

What's your reaction to this Trump ally who doesn't seem to understand the impact, or does he thoroughly understand the impact of his posts? You know, this is a little reminiscent of him. Trying to insert himself into German politics and try and say which country's candidate should be won. We need to remind the world Elon came from South Africa. He is an immigrant.

He came here. Great. He's a genius. He has built multiple brilliant businesses that hire hundreds of thousands of people. He creates capital.

Yes, all of that. But I'm sorry, one minute he's inside the White House. Salivating over everything. And this is President Trump's baby, this big, beautiful bill. It does have problems.

You have Republican senators now saying there are major problems, we need to fix this.

However, Elon puts down his Doge chainsaw and picks up the flamethrower, aims it directly at the bill. When he's already out of the White House, It really rings hollow to me in certain regards. That said, He's not wrong. It is pork-filled. It is what he calls a spending abomination.

Okay, fine, but. Go back to your world, please. I'm more interested in seeing what John Thune is going to say, what Ron Johnson is going to say, and most importantly, you know, there's a lot of cutting a lot of taxes. Let's talk about. An interesting coalition that's forming right now in the Senate with Republicans, and that would be Josh Hawley, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski.

Of Alaska, they are unhappy about the cuts in Medicaid. And They could be the ones who stymie this thing. They look at Medicaid as the National Safety Net Health Program, covers 80 million low-income Americans. And they're concerned that the cuts there aren't warranted. There could be cuts elsewhere.

Well, you know what they're looking for? Is he upset that twice a year they're going to have to verify their eligibility? Is he upset that they're going to be able to do that? They're not upset about that. What are they working on?

They are not upset about the work for. Most of them are completely fine with work for the benefit. Meaning, if you are able-bodied between a certain age and you don't have dependents, heck yeah, you better start working to get. You got to give to get. They're concerned that there are people who will slip through the safety net, low-income people, single moms, children who depend heavily on Medicaid.

And so, what do you do? President Trump had floated the idea of raising the tax, you know, the tax. Base of the tax level for people who made $2 million or more. He didn't push it too hard. But you gotta get the money from somewhere.

So do you take it from the 80 million very, very low-income people who need it and depend on it for healthcare? I mean, people slipping through the ranks, that would be happening whether there was a big beautiful bill or not. Elon Musk has posted this. If the massive deficit spending continues, there will only be money for interest payments and nothing else, no social security, no medical, no defense, nothing. He wanted to retweet a bunch of things.

Rand Paul says the immense level of overspending will drive America into debt, into slavery. He continues to post negative things about other people and repost things who are critical of this, and Democrats absolutely love it.

Well, and why do they care about deficit all of a sudden? Again, Elon's not wrong, but why is he the one saying this and not the Democrats? Putting together a cogent and cohesive message that people understand. I mean, where are the Democrats if this is the case and you have somebody like Elon saying all of this and getting way more attention than Hakeem Jeffries or anybody else is? Yeah, I think it's pretty significant.

Yes. Here's what Josh Holmes said: cut seven. He got the first part right with Doge, outside the box, identifying things. The second part, not so much. He's talking about a spending bill.

This is a reconciliation package. We deal with mandatory spending, which is entitlements, and we deal with taxes. This is about whether or not the American people deserve to keep their tax rates where they are. It has absolutely nothing to do with the spending side of it, which you can address in an appropriations process. It's kind of like a Washington 101.

So I think a lot of this is shooting back and forth without kind of a basic understanding of how the government processes these things.

Is he right? Yes. Yes, he's correct in the point that he specifically makes. When you're talking about Extending the 2017 tax cuts. There will be a huge problem if that doesn't get done on time.

Mm-hmm. A huge problem for the individuals. The Senate always wanted to do two bills. The Houses wanted to do one. Yeah, correct.

So that is one piece of it. But then you get to the spending piece of it. There are a lot of tax goodies and giveaways in there that President Trump promised and was elected upon. But Where are the pay fors? Where pay goes, whatever you want to call it.

I like pay for. How are you going to pay for? Making sure that people don't pay taxes on their tips, making sure that people don't pay taxes on their social security benefits or what have you. I'm not sure that's even in the House bill, but Social Security, they said it's only tax breaks. Right, tax breaks.

Exactly.

So if you want to give to one segment of society, Where are you going to get that from somewhere else? Unless you are just going to go into the same pattern of printing money once again. And going back to Elon, totally not wrong about paying interest on our $36 trillion debt. A trillion a year? To pay the interest.

Who has that? This is going to be a breaking moment. It will crack the system at some point. Uh Liz, you have a big interview today. Yes.

Yes, tell me about it.

Okay, a couple of them. Number one, AstraZeneca CEO. This is the huge UK pharmaceutical company. They have their own deadline that Trump has given. One week from today, President Trump wants their plan on how to make sure Americans aren't paying way more than the rest of the developed world for their medicines.

How many listeners out there? Pay a lot of money. Let's just use Wagovi or these diabetes medications. It's like $1,500. With your not insured for Americans.

It's 98 for France.

Something like that. Why? What are these pharmaceutical companies' plans, mister Trump would like to know, to make sure that the developed countries are paying more.

So we've got the AstraZeneca CEO. They do a lot of R and D research and development, and they have life saving drugs. But Come on. That CEO, we're going to ask him, what's his plan? What is he going to offer the president one week from today, if anything?

We also, talking AI, biggest story that has lifted the markets over the past two years, Anthropic. This is sort of the rival to ChatGPT and OpenAI. Anthropic has Claude. They have an $8 billion investment from Amazon. We have the CTO, chief product officer, Mike Krieger.

This guy's very rare to get an interview with him. They are brilliant. They are fascinating. And we're going to talk about that. We're also going to take Rich Edson of Fox News.

I don't know if you heard about this horrible story about possible agro-terrorism. Yes. Chinese student in Michigan. Having imported fungus, allegedly importing fungus that could poison our crops. Can you imagine this, Brian?

So we're going to get the latest on that at 3 p.m. Eastern.

Sooner or later, we're going to have to admit they were at war with China. This basically is a slow-moving. I mean, fentanyl is the beginning of that subtlety. We got the spying, the reason why we're using the signal app. They've burrowed into all communications in Joe Biden's government, and that's what Trump inherited.

So can you imagine agroterrorism? It's crazy. Poisoning our crops, poisoning our people. Can you imagine somebody, a country, poisoning the rest of the world like the pandemic? That's China, which they still have not owned up to.

And they still have not. And there's been no. Retribution for that. Liz, thanks so much. She's anchored the claim and countdown.

She gets started at 3 o'clock today, but she's already in full gear. Great, great to be here. Thanks so much, Liz. Back in a moment. Brian Kilmicho.

It's Brian Killmeade. A radio show like no other. It's Brian Killmead. Hey, welcome back. Just a quick reminder: coming up on the 21st of June.

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So that'll be great. Fox Nation might be streaming it. They're going to be streaming. You've been doing that, Dallas and Richmond, one of them. But you have promotional opportunities there for Fox Nation, everyone's favorite streaming service.

Now, I'm doing Gutfeld tonight. You can watch it live at 10 p.m. Eastern Time. I have not seen the rundown, but Allison has. Allison, you said I should just play this sound bite.

And then I should get rid. This is my prep for tonight. We're prepping for gut fold.

Okay. That particular school and that book, Me and Earl and the Dying Girl, are you gonna eat her p? Yeah, Earl, we're going to eat her. Adam, I would ask that if we not try to use that type of language in the chamber, let's try to keep some decorum. I know you were talking specific books, but if we could reframe those type of words differently, because there's also people and children watching this debate, I just don't want that language out there.

So I will ask kindly if we could just use either a different word or something different, just out of respect for others that might get offended. Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I stand here to share with the chamber the books that are available in our public school libraries to the very children. You're telling me that this language isn't inappropriate in this chamber.

This is in elementary school libraries approved by the very individuals that are supposed to be the experts. Is that unbelievable?

So she's reading the title, and obviously it's X-rated, and they have an objection to it, but they don't have objections to the books being in the library. You know, it's yeah, exactly. A, the language is incredible for an elementary school library. They gavel her out. How dare you say that word?

It's offensive. But yes, let's let our kids read it at will. In their public school library. Right. And that's why the way they twist it is.

Ron DeSantis looking to ban books. They're looking to, Republicans are looking to ban books. Yeah. Appropriate books for appropriate ages. That's called appropriate.

But how do they message it? Exactly.

And so this happened in Connecticut. This is the Connecticut chamber where this was a Republican congressman woman reading it, and then them saying it was highly. inappropriate. I mean, elementary school's generally what, to fifth grade or so? I mean, yeah, I don't think Yeah, they yeah.

Now we have sixth, seventh, and eighth in our in our schools.

So that's a little different. The other thing that I found offensive is that the Pittsburgh Steelers Are saying that they apologize to their fans that are offended that Rocky Blyer, the Steeler legend and war hero. Gave his Pittsburgh Steeler jersey to President Trump. Listen to Rocky Plier. Do this and now see the backlash because of it, Cup 40.

Mr. President. On behalf of US Steel, And to the people of Pittsburgh. More importantly, though, to all the Steeler fans that are here this evening. I have the honor of making you an honorary Pittsburgh Steeler.

and would like to present to you Your jersey As with the number 47, as the 47th President of the United States, a number. that hangs in the National Football League Hall of Fame. I'd like to present to this to a Hall of Fame president. Please accept it.

So that was Rocky Blair. Of course, U.S. Steel was saved by the president. He engineered a deal with Nippon Steel from Japan. Great moment.

They're going to be adding like 150,000 jobs minimum in U.S. Steel.

So it stays in Pittsburgh. Steelers get it. And that stays there. And he thought he'd give it Jersey. But they're getting blowback now from Steeler fans saying, I don't want the President associated with the Steelers.

The statement that the Steelers did put back basically said. We appreciate your feedback then. Our alumni and current players make their own individual decisions that reflect their views and do not necessarily represent the view of the entire Pittsburgh Steeler organization. And let me also bring up that Franco Harris passed away. Nice guy, big time Democrat.

He was always endorsing John Kerry, Al Gore, going out of his way for Bill Clinton. Did they apologize or put out a statement for Franco Harris? Knocking on it. Please. A Rocky Bluyer, by the way, one of the great movies about his life.

He was wounded in Vietnam, came all the way back. A Notre Dame star ended up starring along with Franco Harris in the backfield. I think he was part of four Super Bowls with Terry Bradshaw as quarterback. Lucy LeBron, kill me, Cho. Keep it here.

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