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January 27, 2023 6:05 am

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January 27, 2023 6:05 am

CBS NFL analyst & former Raiders CEO Amy Trask joins the show | Steelers owner Art Rooney on Mike Tomlin's future | Frank Reich becomes Panthers new Head Coach.

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I'm Larry Mullins, host of the podcast, Your Weirdest Fears, the show that explores the odd things that make your heart stop. I am so scared of the Grinch.

He is bad vibes. We talk to everyone from therapists to exterminators to lizard man. I was 25 when I actually got my tongue split.

I have one tattoo that covers my entire body. Listen and subscribe on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts from. I'm Larry Mullins, host of the podcast, Your Weirdest Fears, the show that explores the odd things that make your heart stop. I am so scared of the Grinch.

He is bad vibes. We talk to everyone from therapists to exterminators to lizard man. I was 25 when I actually got my tongue split.

I have one tattoo that covers my entire body. Listen and subscribe on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts from. I'm here. Here I am. Hour number two. That was a quick hour. Thanks for hanging out with us.

We're excited to welcome Amy Trask here in moments. We haven't even put up our game of the week poll yet. Actually, I didn't want to cannibalize with our other poll because we still have our other poll that's ongoing. And that's us asking you which matchup do you want to see in the Super Bowl. So I think I'll retweet that now as we're making small talk.

It's after our CBS on our Twitter and then also on our Facebook page, which is super easy, named after the show. Producer Jay and I spent about an hour or so earlier doing a little planning, looking ahead to Super Bowl week and putting together our wish list for our guests. And we may actually start early because we're making plans for next week to that dead Sunday, so to speak, with kind of this weird Pro Bowl skills competition that the Manning's are leading. But yeah, we're getting down to the end and we want to go out with a bang.

Our phone number is eight five five two one two four two two seven. We've got a lot to talk about with Amy from a new head coach in Carolina to the Dallas changes, but not at the top. Obviously getting ready for the final four in Championship Sunday. So we're pleased to welcome her. She's a 30 year CEO with the Raiders or 30 years with the Raiders, a longtime CEO now with that other pregame show on CBS Sports Network and pops in here and there. She's an author. She's a leader and she is one of my favorite Amy's.

Thanks so much for hanging out with us for a few minutes, Amy. A lot of people are big fans of Frank Reich around the NFL. You hear people speak very highly of him. What does he bring to the table as he takes over now with the Panthers? Well, certainly, as you noted, he has a history with the organization, was their quarterback many, many, many years ago. And he is a very, very well respected coach throughout the league. And it's not mutually exclusive to say that Steve Wilkes did a tremendous job there and had the absolute support of the locker room. Players spoke out saying they wanted to play for Steve and he may well have gone on to do terrific things with that team. So too may Frank.

Those two comments are not mutually exclusive. And I hope Steve gets another chance somewhere else, but it'll be interesting to see how Frank does. And by the way, how exciting is this for Frank and for Panthers fans and Colts fans? The Colts go to Carolina next year, so that should be an interesting matchup. The Panthers are an example of a franchise in recent memory who have just continued to change. That's really been the constant for the Panthers, for the Colts, for the Browns, even for the Giants before this year with Brian Deball.

How does it affect the players and the coaches in a locker room? Well, you know, it's interesting you mention that about the Panthers because since Ron Rivera was terminated, they've been through, if you count interim head coaches, you know, they had Ron Rivera who they fired. They've had two interim head coaches. They've had Matt Rule who they fired. They have been changing coaches a lot since Ron was terminated. You know, Ron was there for a while, but then they haven't been able to find someone that they were satisfied with. Although, again, I'll note that Steve did a tremendous job really without a lot of assets in various positions on the team. And boy, if you look at the list of quarterbacks Carolina has been through since Cam Newton, it just goes on and on and on and on. So you're right, there hasn't been stability there at coach or at quarterback.

I have this phrase that I use on the radio about sports in general, but it certainly does apply to several NFL franchises. Constant change equals constant losing. There is a correlation between the two when all you're doing is pulling out the plants that you've put down. They never have a chance to grow roots and everybody else is in constant flux as well. You know, it's an interesting conundrum because if something really, really isn't right and you absolutely know it's not right and can't work, a very strong argument can always be made that consistency is simply for the sake of consistency doesn't work well at times.

But to your point, you're absolutely right. If you don't give a plant a chance to grow its roots, by the way, great analogy to bring plants into this. I love that. And by the way, I do not have a green sun. So while we're on the plant concept, I'll just let you know that when I put plants in the ground, I explain to them that it's going to be the Darwin theory in my garden. Only the strongest plants are going to survive. Survival of the fittest.

Right. Listen, plants, I'm putting you in the ground and only the strong plants are going to be able to live here. My lack of a green sun aside, you know, it's a great analogy because you really do need plants to take root in order to survive. But again, you don't want consistency for the sake only of consistency.

And I think that's a very fine line between those two. I'm a big time plant person. In fact, I'm wearing a T-shirt that says I have too many plants, said no one ever.

And the whole front of the T-shirt is covered by various types of plants. I highly suggest naming them, actually. That seems to work for me. Okay. I love plants, too. I just don't have a green thumb because, you know, you got to take care of them. You do.

Maybe I'll just turn my plant situation over to you. That sounds like fun. Amy Trask is with us, longtime Raider CEO and now longtime analyst for CBS Sports. You can catch her on that other pregame show on Sundays.

It's after hours on CBS Sports Radio. What do you make of this coaching carousel that has seemingly ground to a snail's pace? Well, we did see the hire today that you mentioned earlier in the show or earlier in our conversation. And oftentimes what we see is a little bit of a domino effect that when the first one is hired, other teams mobilize a little bit more quickly, perhaps fearing that, all right, one's gone. Now we better make our move before someone else does. So I wouldn't be surprised over the next few days to see additional positions filled.

We shall see if that happens. Of course, the whole Sean Payton issue is very, very interesting. He's out there. He's obviously not going to Carolina. There's been rumors that, you know, Denver might be a spot for him, although Denver is also looking at a number of other coaches. I know this, if I were the New Orleans Saints, I would take a whole lot less in draft compensation from an AFC team than I would from an NFC team because I wouldn't want him in my conference. So if there's an AFC team out there like Denver, if I'm the Saints, I get word to them, hey, if you want Sean Payton, I'll take less from you than I would from an NFC team because I don't want him in our conference. Well, and it would have to be less with Denver because they gave up so much to get Russell Wilson. So they're a little draft capital strapped, if you will. Why is Sean Payton worth the wait, in your opinion?

I think he's a terrific head coach. Is it the question, are you willing to wait or are you willing to pay the draft compensation? I don't know that anyone's going to be willing to wait a particularly long period of time. It's a very win now league in many respects. Not all organizations are that way, not all team owners are that way, but many want to win, particularly if they have a roster geared for winning now. If you have a team of players ready to win now that might not be together for a long period of time, then you're not going to wait. But the draft choice compensation is an issue, as you noted, particularly for teams which have given up a number of picks.

But again, if I'm New Orleans, number one, I want to do the right thing by Sean. But number two, I'll take a lot less to get him out of my conference. But it does seem to happen that when one team hires a particular type of coach, offensive coordinator comes from Sean McVeigh's staff, something along those lines, a lot of the other teams will try that pattern. Who are a couple of other names out there that you think will make solid head coaches, or at least should get shots at opportunities?

Well, D'Amico Ryan's is obviously a name that is and should be atop the list of many teams. Another name is David Shaw. David Shaw, most recently the head coach at Stanford.

And, you know, I can't say enough good things about David. And by the way, I went to Cal. So here's this Cal girl raving about a Stanford head coach. But I had the opportunity to work with David when he was with the Raiders.

And I just think the world of him. I actually loved him in college because if I had a son or a daughter who was a collegiate athlete, he is precisely the man I would want coaching them. So I loved that he was in college. The only day I rooted against him during the year was when Stanford played Cal. But I think he would also be a tremendous head coach in the National Football League.

Amy Trask is with us after hours here on CBS Sports Radio. The Dallas situation fascinates me too because head coach is staying, defensive coordinator has chosen for the second year in a row to stay put as opposed to go somewhere else where he could have been a head coach again. We don't yet know about the OC, but a bunch of coaches underneath Mike McCarthy have been let go.

What's your reaction to that? Well, one person I was particularly disappointed to see let go was running back coach Skip Peat. Skip is someone with whom I worked as well. And I think Skip is a tremendous coach and a tremendous man.

So that was disappointing. Dan Quinn remaining is very, very interesting. And we, of course, don't know precisely why he chose to stay or commitments made to him that enticed him to say, did he just think, you know what, I'm really happy here. I'm happy doing what I'm doing.

I don't need to look for the next opportunity. We don't know what went into that decision, but it was a decision that is very much to the benefit of the Cowboys. I got to ask you this question because I asked my audience and we got a pretty diverse reaction. Which team suffered the more disappointing end to its season? Buffalo or Dallas?

Yes. The answer is yes, I'll go with option C tremendously disappointing for both. You know, I guess the only thing that would push me a bit to the Buffalo side of that equation is Buffalo was home for that playoff game. Dallas was on the road. Buffalo has one of the most magnificent home field environments.

Those fans are cacophonous, very, very hard place to go. And by the way, as I talk about this, I think I'm having, you know, PTSD about us going there in the playoffs and losing 51 to three. And we lost there another time in the playoffs. And I raised that because it is a hard, hard place for a visiting team to win. So, you know, my answer is tremendously disappointing for both teams.

But I guess I would give the edge to Buffalo simply because they were at home. I sometimes talk about the Warriors and how they went to those five straight NBA Finals. They've been so good now for this stretch with their core group of Steph and Clay and Draymond and obviously Steve Kerr.

And how many other teams in the West in the NBA would have had great success, maybe would have reached the NBA Finals or won titles if not for playing in the era of this Golden State Warriors team. And I think about the Bills and all the promise and, of course, the sky high expectations. But right now they're playing in this era where the Chiefs and the Bengals have become the teams to beat. And sometimes it's not just about you. You got to go through the best to be the best.

Well, that's exactly right. And one thing everybody has to remember is injuries. And it's part of the game. And I remember early, early, early in my career we had suffered a bunch of injuries. And I was in talking to Al Davis and I was moaning and groaning about the injuries. And he said to me, no one cares. He didn't mean that no one in the organization cared about the players. Of course we did. He didn't mean that fans didn't care about the players.

Some, of course, did. What he meant was at the end of the day, people just want you to win. So they might care about the men who were injured, but the fact is when he said no one cares about injuries, what his intent was, what he was communicating was, injuries are part of the game. Nobody's going to pay attention.

Are you winning or are you losing? They're not going to factor in those injuries. And the reason I raise that is the Von Miller injury was a big injury for the Bills. And yes, other teams have had injuries as well. And yes, injuries are part of the game.

And as Al said, when people are expecting you to win, it's go win. We don't care whether you've had injuries or not, go win. But that was a big injury for the Bills. Do you think that would have applied if we didn't have a Patrick Mahomes available this weekend?

Well, you know what, in the sense, and again, I want to be very, very clear. I'm not saying that nobody has compassion for an injured player. I'm not saying that no one cares for the man who was injured. But what Al was expressing, and the quote I shared was, his point was, you got to win. People want you to win.

The goal is to win if Patrick Mahomes couldn't play or if Jalen Hurts couldn't play. I mean, that is, as they said, I think it was in The Wizard of Oz, A Horse of a Different Color. Is that The Wizard of Oz?

You are the first who's ever broached The Wizard of Oz, which is perfect. I used that in an interview earlier. And I said, you know, when Carolina made the decision to move on from Steve Wilkes, I said, Steve Wilkes did a magnificent, magnificent job there.

And Carolina may come to realize there's no place like home. Remember when Dorothy said that? Amazing. Of course. That was the first movie I was ever allowed to watch.

The Wizard of Oz and The Sound of Music when I was seven, eight years old. Getting to the promised land, the yellow brick road on your way to the Super Bowl. Oh, there you go.

Yeah, I might work that in. Amy Trask is a longtime Raider CEO. We always love her stories about working with Al Davis, even those that include shouting matches. Even as we head into Championship Weekend here on CBS Sports Radio, the Giants have both a quarterback and a running back that are coming off really exceptional seasons. They would like to keep them both, but sometimes you can't pay them both. So I am wondering, in your opinion, how do you value running backs? When you see rookies come in and make a huge impact right away, or say a Tony Pollard has had a better season than their highly paid running back, where do you fall and how do you value running backs when it comes to trying to divvy up your resources, Amy? Thirty-two different teams, 32 different head coaches, 32 different general managers, 32 different ownership groups, and they're going to evaluate it differently in every circumstance.

There is no one-size-fits-all for that question. I value the running game. Look, the running game and the passing game are inextricably connected. The better you run the ball, the easier it will be to pass the ball. The better you pass the ball, the easier it's going to be to run the ball. If you're running the ball effectively, that's going to have to be defended and it's going to open things up in the passing game. I love the running game. That doesn't mean to the exclusion of the passing game, but different people evaluate it very differently.

Well, then do you give your running back a big deal like the one that Ezekiel Elliott got? Look, I am going to apologize now for being your persnickety guest, but I am the one that went to law school. So I'm going to say in my legal background and with my training, your honor, that calls for a hypothetical objection. All right, Amy.

All right. I like persnickety too. That's a good word. Persnickety is a great word. OK, so we've got four teams still remaining, our final four in the NFL.

What do you think is one factor that has powered them to this point? All right. I've never been one to pay attention to directions. Every single report card my parents ever got for me, like from kindergarten through 12th grade, doesn't follow directions, doesn't listen to the teacher. So in that spirit, I'm going to give you more than one answer for each because I just I don't follow directions.

Every report card doesn't follow directions, doesn't pay attention, doesn't listen to the teacher. I wouldn't have thought that about you. Really? OK, so here we go. Kansas City, magnificent, magnificent head coach and phenomenal quarterback. When you look at that match up of, you know, there are a lot of teams with good head coaches. There are a lot of teams with good head quarterbacks. But when you look at Kansas City, tremendous head coach, tremendous quarterback and by the way, phenomenal home field advantage. Kansas City and Buffalo were the two. You know, in my experience, in my career, those were the two hardest road environments we played.

So Kansas City, I'm going Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Cincinnati. There is just something special about Joe Burrow. It's a, I'll use a little French, a je ne sais quoi. He is extraordinarily talented, but there's a swagger to him. Very, very special quarterback.

San Francisco. Wow. That defense. Tremendous. Kyle Shanahan doing a phenomenal job. And I love the story about Brock Purdy because it proves the point I love to make. The draft is not a science.

There's no enigma code. They gave up umpteen draft picks to take a quarterback very, very high. They took Brock Purdy with the final pick in the draft known as Mr. Irrelevant. And look what he's doing.

So I've got my eye on. But that defense is going to keep them in every game. And Philadelphia, wow. Again, all four head coaches are good.

Let me just lay that out there. These are four, four good head coaches. I think, you know, Andy Reid is one who attracts my attention all the time because of his, you know, the long stretch he's had of winning. But all four of these final head coaches are very, very good coaches.

So I'm certainly, it's not criticism by omission. I just put Andy atop the heap. And in Philadelphia, again, combination of coach and quarterback. Jalen is a tremendous quarterback. Yeah, you think about Andy Reid and his 20 playoff wins now. Ten with one franchise. Excuse me, ten with another. He's proven that it's not just about the people that he had really or the place where he was.

Nah, he can do this coaching thing, this winning thing, wherever. So I like those answers. Those are awesome. Actually, I was being sarcastic about you not following rules. I can definitely see that about you. But yes, I'm going to remember that on every report card, refuses to play along, refuses to follow the rules.

Everyone, everyone doesn't pay attention, doesn't listen, doesn't follow the rules. I should frame those. What did your parents say about that? We'll save that for a whole other time. Well, I'm sure it doesn't surprise you that all of my detentions were for talking.

You know what? Love it. It's worked out fine for both of us.

Yes, it definitely has. Because you are different, and that's what makes you special, Aime. As are you. Thank you. She's a longtime Raiders CEO, and she's an analyst of a different kind. CBS Sports Network, you'll see the other pregame show, also an author, and just one of our favorite guests for Team Aimee. So on Twitter, at Aimee Trask, as always. Thank you, Aimee. As always, absolutely positively, my pleasure. A treat to join you.

Thank you. We like Team Aimee. We've had other Aimees on the air, but I would say that, as I was telling her, unique and special, and there is no one else like her, which is why she was a pioneer in the NFL. A longtime Raiders CEO was able to give it back to Al Davis as good as she got. And I wish we still had Alarand to ask him his stories about Aimee, because she tells great stories about him, and good information too about the coaching situation and the dominoes that might drop and some of the whys behind the decisions that are made in NFL front offices. So make sure you follow her on Twitter and catch her on CBS Sports Network on Sundays. All right, coming up, we have a new head coach in Carolina, as we just spoke about with Aimee. We will not have a new head coach in Pittsburgh, and that would be ridiculous anyway.

I'm going to laugh when people suggest that. Art Rooney on Mike Tomlin and Art Rooney on Kenny Pickett. Don't hear from Mr. Rooney a lot. The NFL playoffs live on Odyssey, and Westwood One brings you the AFC and NFC championship games, streaming live for free this Sunday on the Odyssey app. The 49ers visit the Eagles. Touchdown! Jalen Hurts! And then it's a rematch between the Bengals and the Chiefs. Wide open! Jamar Chase takes it in! Touchdown, Chiefs! Catch all the action from Westwood One. Your playoffs, your Odyssey.

Get in the game and download the free Odyssey app today. I'm Larry Mullins, host of the podcast Your Weirdest Fears, the show that explores the odd things that make your heart stop. I am so scared of the Grinch.

He is bad vibes. Yeah! We talk to everyone from therapists to exterminators to lizard man. I was 25 when I actually got my tongue split.

I have one tattoo that covers my entire body. Listen and subscribe on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts from. The NFL playoffs live on Odyssey, and Westwood One brings you the AFC and NFC championship games, streaming live for free this Sunday on the Odyssey app. The 49ers visit the Eagles. Touchdown! Jalen Hurts!

Give it to McCaffrey. Off the middle into the end zone. And then it's a rematch between the Bengals and the Chiefs. Wide open! Jamar Chase takes it in! Touchdown, Chiefs! Catch all the action from Westwood One. Your playoffs, your Odyssey.

Get in the game and download the free Odyssey app today. Preach this week. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence, CBS Sports Radio.

You are listening to the After Hours Podcast. Now the Steelers behind the change, a third and 15 from the 31 of Cleveland. They bring four. Pickett throws it down the middle. Touchdown, George Pickens! Pickett to Pickens from 31 out. And the Steelers in position to tie it up.

This is After Hours with Amy Lawrence. Bill Hillgrove on Steelers Radio. They were still alive until the very last week of the regular season. And it didn't look as though their season would follow that arc. It certainly looked as though it would be the first year under Mike Tomlin in which the Steelers had a losing record. But that did not happen.

They finished right there at.500. And so once again, no losing campaigns in the now 15 years under Mike Tomlin. And yet there are still people who question if a coaching change should be made.

Here's what I would have to say about that. If Mike Tomlin somehow got let go, which was never going to happen, but if he did, I would start a petition. I generally don't draw attention to the fact that I've been a Broncos fan since age 13, but I would start a petition. Anybody I could that represented Broncos nation or is part of Broncos nation, we need Mike Tomlin.

That's it. Sign this petition if you would like the Broncos to hire Mike Tomlin. But I'm not even sure we would have time for that because it would take a nanosecond before another team out there scooped up Mike Tomlin. It would happen so fast. Forget Sean Payton and how teams covet Sean Payton. No, no.

Mike Tomlin, they'd be throwing bags of money at him. Please come coach our team. Man, I'm just appreciative. You are. You are. And something about no need to shoot the hostages or something like that.

Shoot a hostage, if you will. There's no one in the NFL like Mike Tomlin. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence, CBS Sports Radio. His track record speaks for itself. But again, there were people that questioned whether or not a coaching change should be made.

So Art Rooney speaking to Missy Matthews, who is the team reporter for the Pittsburgh Steelers. What about Mike Tomlin this year? I think the number one thing you look at, I look at in terms of the job a coach does is, you know, does the team get better over the course of the season?

And we clearly did that. Look, I don't really evaluate Mike on anything other than I'm glad he's our coach. And I think hopefully he'll be our coach into the future. And I think he gives us a chance to win year in and year out and put us in a position that we have a chance to compete for a championship. So Art Rooney, who is the Steelers' president, says I evaluate him on this. I'm really glad he's our head coach.

I evaluate him on this standard. I want our team to get better over the course of the year, to improve over the course of the year, and that we did. And that is largely because of the progression of the rookie Kenny Pickett taking over for Mitch Trubisky, who they brought in to kind of be a stopgap. Maybe happened more quickly than what was expected, and yet he got a lot of real-world snaps. We thought Kenny was going to be on track to become our starter sooner or later, and I think it worked out pretty well. He came in at a time where it gave him an opportunity to improve and play in some tough games and certainly showed down the stretch leading us on drives to win games late in the game.

That's good to see. He was exciting, a jolt of energy. He did bring that, not to mention the mobility, certainly can throw the football. And yeah, rookies giveth and they taketh away, but you could see the growth and you could see the team follow him and adapt to him as leader. Can't say enough about our young cube. He didn't urinate down his leg, so there's that.

That's a great place to begin. So Steelers President Art Rooney speaking to Missy Matthews about the season, about Kenny Pickett, about Mike Tomlin, and actually he labeled it positive in 2022. The encouraging thing is that as the season went on, I think we got to be a better team. Even though we started out, dug ourselves a deep hole, the guys never stopped fighting. We kept ourselves alive all the way down to the last game of the season.

It's too bad we didn't make the playoffs, but I was encouraged by the way we finished. I know there are people out there who complain that Jerry Jones is too loyal, he hangs on to coaches too long, and maybe that is the case. When you think about Jason Garrett, they maybe could have made the move one or two years more quickly, but it's not as though Jones is the only one who prefers not to be constantly revolving that door of coaches. And as I just spoke to Amy Trask, I believe with all of my heart there is a very direct connection, a correlation between the number of changes that you make on a year-to-year basis and the lack of consistency, which to me very often equates to losing. So that's why I say constant change equals constant losing. Yeah, you have to figure out when it's time to break away, but you can't be impatient if you want to build.

It takes a little bit longer. Mike Tomlin is the second longest tenured head coach in the NFL. No, second longest tenured head coach in Steelers history, excuse me for that. But he is one of the longest tenured head coaches in the league, along with a Pete Carroll, a Bill Belichick. Sean Payton was in that equation too, obviously, until he left this past year. John Harbaugh. So these are your guys, Andy Reid now actually has been in Kansas City for quite a while too.

But these are your stalwarts, and think about the consistency that has come with these men being in charge of their teams. Right, so we talked about Tomlin, the 15, is it 15 years, 16 years, what's he been there in? Tomlin got there in 07. 07. I'm going off the top of my head here, but I'm pretty sure it's 07. That would be 16 seasons then of?

Yeah, math is not my strong story. 16 seasons in which he's never had a losing record, and they have Super Bowl obviously. He's this first year without Ben Roethlisberger, so in that respect, you've got to have a little bit of a cushion, a margin for allowing some growth. But yeah, if you think about him, and Bill Belichick, and Andy Reid, and John Harbaugh, and Pete Carroll, what they have in common is that they're competitive, right? They not only incite respect, and you know that playing for them puts you kind of ahead of the game. But these are teams that are always in the equation, even when they go through massive changes. Like the Ravens, from Joe Flacco to a quarterback who couldn't have been any different, right, in Lamar Jackson.

Talk about a stark change. Bill Belichick, I know there's a lot of complaints about what they've done since Brady left, but that's also a jarring change for a franchise. And so they're trying to figure it out, and yet they still have made the playoffs in these three years, and have been part of the competition down until the end. I mean, Pete Carroll, how many times have they almost started over? He wouldn't call it a rebuild, but their roster is completely different from the ones that went to the Super Bowl going back, what was it, nine, ten years ago, eight, nine years ago? And here they are, making the playoffs again this season. So to me, and Andy Reid too, obviously, not just with Patrick Mahomes, but before that in Kansas City, Alex Smith.

So I think consistency is critical, but very often in the NFL among fans, and even among some owners and front offices, it's like a trigger-happy type of approach where we blow it up, let's just blow it up. And it's a year-to-year thing, and it's unfortunate, but yeah, I mean, sometimes you have to know too, like when something's not. I'm Larry Mullins, host of the podcast, Your Weirdest Fears, the show that explores the odd things that make your heart stop. I am so scared of the Grinch.

He is bad vibes. We talk to everyone, from therapists, to exterminators, to lizard man. I was 25 when I actually got my tongue split.

I have one tattoo that covers my entire body. Listen and subscribe on the Odyssey app, or wherever you get your podcasts from. I'm Larry Mullins, host of the podcast, Your Weirdest Fears, the show that explores the odd things that make your heart stop. I am so scared of the Grinch.

He is bad vibes. We talk to everyone, from therapists, to exterminators, to lizard man. I was 25 when I actually got my tongue split.

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