A New Beginning presents a book about the greatest evangelist of the 20th century, Billy Graham, written by his friend, Pastor Greg Laurie. I bring insights that maybe other books have not really touched on. I also weave in a lot of my personal experiences, one-on-one with Billy, things he said to me, and things I gleaned by watching him. So if you want to learn more about this man that changed the world, get your copy of Billy Graham, The Man I Knew.
Yours for a gift of any amount at harvest.org. I'm here with the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson. Mike, thank you for making time for me. I so appreciate it. Pastor, thanks for being here. I get lots of interview requests.
I was excited about this one. Oh, well, thank you so much. You are so busy, too, to make time in your schedule. I can't even imagine what a typical day looks like for you. But we're doing this interview at pretty much 730 in the morning, so you get started early, don't you?
Oh, this is a late start for me. No way, really? Yeah, I'm very much like a wartime speaker. I mean, it's kind of a crazy time in American politics, and Capitol Hill tends to be very divided. We have a very aggressive agenda, and it requires a lot. The modern speakership, the way this has all developed over the last 250 years, is really an all-encompassing job.
It's a 24-hour operation, really, and we don't get a lot of time for rest, but I've decided this is a season of just extreme sacrifice and service, and that one day we'll rest sometime in the future. You're from Louisiana. Yes, sir. And you, when you were a young man, your father was, I believe, was he the chief of the fire department? He's assistant chief, sure was. So you aspired to be that one day.
That's all I knew. I was the product of an unplanned pregnancy. My parents were teenagers, high school sweethearts.
When I was conceived, they had to drop out of their junior year in high school to start a family and take care of me, thankfully, and three younger siblings came shortly after that. My dad went into the fire service and loved it. As all firefighters do, almost all of them, they have multiple part-time jobs and do all sorts of things to make ends meet. But in 1984, when I was 12 years old, he had a fateful day on the job. He was burned in an explosion and burned 80 percent of his body, third-degree burns, given a 5 percent chance to live. You know, he was severely disabled after that, but he recovered miraculously.
It's a long story, great testimony about God's protection and favor, but that's what I knew. You know, I aspired to be the fire chief of my hometown of Shreveport, Louisiana, because I looked up to that, all those men so much. But after the accident happened, they encouraged me to go another route, so that's how I wound up here. So you started by practicing law and then teaching law as well, and then you end up in politics. Is that something you aspired to as a younger man, maybe after?
No, not really. I had a sort of a heart, I guess, for public service, and that's how we were raised. I started in constitutional law, used to litigate religious liberty cases and pro-life cases, worked for the Alliance Defending Freedom and other groups most of my career. And then about nine years ago, I guess, we just sensed calling that we were supposed to step forward and get into the legislative arena, because I was defending our constitutional freedoms in the courts, but I saw how important this arena is. It just so happened that the state representative in my district in Louisiana decided to run for judge, and everybody started calling me, saying, hey, there's an open seat, you should do it.
We had just moved into that district, you know, ironically, providentially. We ran, I served in the State House for a little over a year, and then my congressman decided to run for the U.S. Senate. Everybody started calling me, you need to run for Congress. I said, I just got to the state legislature. So I came to Congress in 2017. I was elected in 2016, which is the same year that President Trump came to Washington.
And it's been a pretty wild ride for the last eight years. Yes. And you actually communicate with the president quite a bit, don't you? All the time. Most recently, last night at about 1130.
Really? He just calls you up? In fact, last night he was having a late dinner with Maria Bartiromo and five or six other people, and he called Mike, Mike, Mike. How we doing, Mike? How we doing on the big, beautiful bill? We're doing great, sir. And he put me on speaker, and I just had a delightful conversation with all of them around the table. We had that kind of relationship. We just had the opportunity to have dinner with the president at the White House a week ago.
It was about 30 of us, and we spent almost four hours with him. Oh, yeah. And he said, do you want to go upstairs and see the – I can't do an invitation. The Lincoln Room. The Lincoln bedroom. Now, I've had the privilege of going there one other time, so I knew what was in store. But all these guys, they were like kids in the candy shop. Oh, yeah.
These are pastors of churches to go up there and to walk, and he tells us stories about every – Every little thing. Oh, yeah. But he enjoys it, doesn't he? Look, he still in some ways thinks of himself as being in the hospitality business. Yeah.
Interesting. That's kind of how he came up. You know, he wants everybody to have a great time.
I haven't thought of it that way. Yeah. And, I mean, it's really amazing. He's so personal. You know him at that level. My wife, Kelly, always says, I wish everybody could know the President Trump that we know personally.
When we would fly around on Air Force One in the first term, he would come into that boardroom where all the VIPs are sitting on the plane going to our destination. Do you need another Diet Coke? How are the seats?
Are they comfortable? And I'm thinking, you're the President of the United States. You don't have to do this. There's a lot of people that do this. But he genuinely wants everybody to have a good time, to be comfortable, to enjoy themselves, just kind of in his DNA. Well, I think when he's being interviewed often, it's in an adversarial situation. So he's got his guard up. He's defending himself. But when he's with people that he's comfortable with, people have asked me, what is he like?
You know far better than I do. But I've found him to be personable, a good listener. You'd think he would dominate all conversations.
He can and will talk, but he'll listen and ask people about themselves. And, of course, he's hilarious. He's hilarious. And I don't know if he knows how funny he is. Does he know he's being funny? Or is that just the way he – I think, I mean, he loves – you know, I've seen him really loosen up so many times. And, you know, especially at Mira Lago in his domain, you know, he's very comfortable. But also in the White House now.
I mean, I was – most recently, I was in the Oval Office just a few days ago. And he's now doing everything in gilded gold. That's his preference, right? And he said, Mike, when you come in here next time, all this is going to be gold. And I said, that's President Trump. He's going to make it his own. And he has some new portraits up in the White House now.
Yes, yes. He's got a painting of that famous shot of him holding his arm up. And then I saw another one that he just put up next to the portrait of Hillary Clinton. So he's doing his own redecorating. Well, he is.
And almost every square inch of the Oval Office is covered in portraits now of his favorite presidents. Funny story, very quickly, because you'll enjoy this. About three or four weeks ago, I get a call in the middle of the day. The president calls me. He said, Mike, Mike, we've got to make a deal. I said, a deal? I'm in the middle of whipping votes.
It's crazy down the hill. And he said, Mike, I need your Polk. I said, you need my what, sir? I need your Polk. Your James K. Polk. I said, do I have a James K. Polk? The curator says you have the only portrait of the former president.
I need that in my collection. Because, you know, he expanded the map. He took it to California. So, OK. And he said, Mike, I'm going to make your deal. It's the worst deal I've ever made. I'm going to give you a Jefferson for a Polk. I said, I have two of those.
What? I said, sir, you had me at hello. I'll get to the Polk. I hung up the phone.
My chief of staff said, you're crazy. He would have respected it so much more if he said throw in a Reagan statue. You know, make a deal. Right. Anyway, long story short, we find the Polk. Turns out James K. Polk was a former speaker of the house. So his portrait was hanging in the speaker's collection gallery. But now it's in the Oval Office. So he sends me a Jefferson. So I have an original Thomas Jefferson in my conference room. People went, wow, where'd that come from? Long story. And he put the Declaration of Independence in the Oval Office. And it's the real one.
One of the three original companies. That's amazing. They had to put a curtain over it because it can't take direct sunlight.
Wow. But it keeps the curtain open because he wants to show it off. And it's just amazing.
Everybody stands there and marvels. And he talks about it like he does in the Lincoln bedroom. You know, he's a tour guide in some respect.
Yes. I love how you speak so freely about your faith. In fact, I have to say, I don't know of any person in public service who speaks as openly, freely and naturally about their faith as you do. And when I met you a while ago, I was so impressed by that.
And is it hard to be a man of faith, you know, believing the Bible as you do in what you do? It's not. In fact, it's the only way I'm allowed and enabled to do this job is because I have that level.
Well, you know, a lot of my colleagues are openly talking about this now. This job is almost impossible. We have the smallest margin in U.S. history for the first chunk of the first hundred days of one vote margin. The odds are, you know, against us every single day.
They've written my eulogy 10 times, at least the press. But we press forward because I know that I am not in charge. I'm so comforted by what John Quincy Adams said. They used to call him the the whole hound of slavery because he ran for he was president, of course, our sixth president. But then he ran for Congress. He came to Congress for the purpose of eradicating slavery. It kept bringing the anti-slavery resolution over and over and he kept losing. And a younger member came up to him on the floor after about the 13th failed attempt. And they said, Mr. President, why do you keep doing it?
You're not going to pass the law. And he said, young man, duty is ours. Results are God's. Such a liberating way to live. It is a biblical worldview that allows us to do. I do my faithful duty as best I can in the flawed way that I do every day. I try to be faithful. I have an audience of one at the end of the day.
And I'm so glad that I'm not the sovereign. So it is a it is a it is a way that I operate. It's in my DNA. It's who I am.
I don't I can't separate that. And and I think a lot of my colleagues and people here begun to kind of appreciate it. Some of them marvel at it.
Many snarl at it. But it's of no import to me because I'm going to serve the Lord. I know who we serve. Do they ever come to you privately and ask him for you to name anyone in particular?
But he might. Would you pray for me or, you know, Greg, you passed. You would be so encouraged and others are when they learn that there's a large number of Bible believing Christians who serve in Congress. We meet regularly. We have a prayer gathering in my office every week.
Really? There are multiple Bible studies that are going on with some small subgroups on the on the Hill. And it's a faithful community. And I tell you what, it's growing because when people stand like that together, it inspires that in others. And and I'm encouraging particularly, you know, newer members who come into Congress. We have thirty three House Republican freshmen members and I routinely try to gather them up and meet with them and talk with them about these very simple things. What does it mean to be a person of faith?
All of them identify as Christians. And what does that mean? Is that something you should leave outside the building or should you carry it with you? And if you did, how could it change the atmosphere at Capitol Hill? Think of it, you know, all those principles guided our founders. They guided previous generations of leaders.
And we ought to do the same thing. It seems foreign to people right now. But this was common in previous generations.
I'm trying to bring it back. Is there ever been a nation like America with the spiritual roots? I mean, maybe the nation Israel. Except for Israel.
Yeah. But apart from that, a nation that has such strong spiritual roots as America does. We're quite literally the only nation, first nation in the world that was founded upon a creed, as G.K. Chesterton famously noted, the British statesman. And the creed, he said, was listed with theological lucidity in the Declaration of Independence. The clarity that said we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, not born equal, created equal by God, and that God is the one who gives us our rights.
We don't have a middleman, a lowercase king on the earth that's the sovereign. The sovereign is the one who made us. And it is to him that we owe our allegiance and our ultimate responsibility, and that's supposed to govern the affairs of men, the regard for that. America was built on that foundation, the recognition that our rights come from God and not government. And that's what made us exceptional.
I mean, that is the foundation of the whole thing. If you read the writings of George Washington and John Adams and the founders, they spoke of that eloquently and often. And Washington said in his famous farewell address, of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. John Adams, our second president, said our constitution is made only for a moral and religious people that is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.
You don't find that in any other country. You certainly didn't before 1776. Now, some have tried to emulate it in different ways, but we're unique and we're different. And that's why we had God's favor.
And we forget that at our peril. Were you raised in a Christian home? Yes. Did you come to Christ as a young man or did this happen? Was there a deeper commitment later in your life? No, I was blessed to be raised in a Christian household.
My dad got saved in a dentist chair when I was two years old and I was the oldest of four kids. Yeah. Dr. Larry Weeks led him to Christ and he passed several years ago. Did he have a drill saying, do you want to accept Christ?
Yes. Under great duress. No, but it was, I mean, my parents were raised sort of nominal Catholic, but it wasn't a big part of their walking.
But after that, he did. And I was raised in a non-denominational Bible church out in the country. And I got saved at age seven and baptized in a horse trough out behind our country church.
Really? Age seven. So that's where you would mark your moment of conversion. And because people sometimes wonder when a child, a young person comes to Christ at an early age, can it really take? But I interviewed James Dobson once. I said, Dr. Dobson, when did you accept Christ? He said when I was four years old.
Wow. I thought four years old. And he's marked that as the moment of his conversion.
Well, yeah. Dr. Dobson had a moment of discernment at age four, probably more than most. But look, I have no memory of not believing in Christ, which has been a blessing in my life. And then I mentioned earlier when I was 12, you know, a few years later is when my father was miraculously saved out of this fire.
Had a five percent chance to live long way back. But I watched and saw and came to believe that God was not some ethereal concept. God was active and working in our lives. And it's informed my world view and how I think and operate ever since. You're such a great bridge builder. And I mean, my goodness, the responsibilities you have with constant division and disagreement. How you must have some incredible negotiating skills to get these people to even talk to each other, much less agree to work together. So so people say that and ask about this all the time. How are we able to do this?
First of all, it's an answer. It's a lot of prayer and patience. We have prayer intercessors, some of whom, you know, that that pray for us every day of the week.
I mean, I'm talking about hundreds of people who are dedicated to this cause of this Congress to pray us through. I love that. I didn't know that. Yeah. And I send out prayer requests on Saturdays and they distribute those.
I mean, I'm talking about nationwide. It's a powerful thing. And so we have those praying for us all the time.
But what I'm trying to do here, the magic of this is really not magic. I am practicing the New Testament prescriptions on how to handle conflict. I mean, you know, it's very I mean, the Bible is full of advice and admonitions on how we're supposed to handle this. We're supposed to love our enemies. We're certainly supposed to love people inside the building who are our colleagues. Right. And I think of it that way.
We bless those who persecute us. You know, it turns out if you actually do that, you can be in the ministry of reconciliation, as it says in First Corinthians, because you allow for the window of coming together again instead of in politics. When somebody does something to you that's negative, the inclination and the normal ways that you fire back at them. Well, I don't fire back.
I don't have the luxury of doing that. And so I'm always have this sort of conciliatory posture. And that's really important and very soft answer turns away wrath. Absolutely.
You know, we could go through them all right now. But but, you know, you the man or woman of God, if you're truly following and you believe in that and you know that those principles are as sure as gravity, it allows you to hold that steady when others are running around with their hair on fire. And that turns out to be the secret here, because we're able to work with everybody. We make a joke around here. I'm not really mostly Speaker of the House. I'm mostly a mental health counselor. I mean, really, because there's so much conflict and so much emotion and so much stress around here. And so what I do is I sit down like this with members all the time, multiple times every day, different members.
I got two hundred and nineteen Republican colleagues and then all the Democrats on the other side. And I sit down and I say, what's concerning you guys? I saw you're upset.
Wow. You were saying talk. Let's talk about that. How can we get to yes.
Did I have I said something that offended you that you have a question about. Let's work it out. That's what God says to do. And it works.
We would just practice the biblical admonition. So true. It's so true.
But most people don't. But you have to be firm. There was, of course, when the president was giving the State of the Union address, there was a bit of a disruption on the floor. And you started calmly stop. And I was at Al Green, Representative Al Green.
And he wasn't stopping you to commit. I had to. You had to.
There's a time to every purpose under heaven. It's the first time in history that a president's address to Congress has been interrupted. And that we shouldn't we can't tolerate that. We can't allow it. So I was concerned that a number of our Democrat colleagues had planned similar protests. So I had to throw the book at him. And I did. I took no pleasure in it.
Everybody's like, yeah, own the libs, get him. No, it was in some ways really heartbreaking to me that I don't want to make that kind of history. We don't want to make history around here. We want to have normal Congress. It's just nobody knows what it looks like anymore.
Trying to bring it back. It's so true. Now, people sometimes say, oh, this keeps me up at night. And I think of the kind of information you're exposed to about what's going on in our world today.
The threats against our nation externally, internally. And how do you process that? Like, are there certain like I think of Philippians, you know, don't worry about anything. Pray about everything.
And the peace of God that passes all understanding will guard your heart and mind. You know, it doesn't mean don't think about it. Don't care about it. But don't worry doesn't help. No worry. You don't worry. Are you prone to worry or not?
Not at all. You don't seem like I don't worry. I don't. I don't.
I can't. And I learned as a young man, you know, God uses your experiences to prepare you for what he calls you to do. And God doesn't call the qualified.
He qualifies the call. I say that myself. Yeah, I know. I got that from you. I think you did not.
It fits. But look, he prepares us. And so I learned in all these experiences, I look back over my life now. Oh, that's where I learned not to worry.
You know, I went through we went through a lot of traumas as a kid and stuff. But but it is a biblical admonition not to do that. Not worrying is a major theme of scripture because God, as John Quincy Adams said, God is the sovereign.
Yeah. So you're right, though, it's a balance because much of this falls to me as a responsibility to try to resolve to play a certain role in that. So I can't dismiss it, but I can't allow it to govern my thought. You know, we can't operate in a spirit of fear.
We don't have the luxury of that. But I believe at the end of the day, I know that God is sovereign. I believe he has a plan for our country. I believe he has given us another chance to save America because he is so gracious and merciful. We don't deserve it. Right. As a nation, we don't deserve it.
That's who he is. And so we're trying to navigate through the challenges of the day to do it in a manner that that preserves this great nation. And I believe God has a plan and he's going to show us and he does every day. I pray for God's divine intervention. I'll tell you a quick story. After the second assassination attempt of President Trump providentially, it just so happened that my wife, Kelly, and I were landing at Mar-a-Lago to meet with him while he was on that golf course. So long story. But the way it turned out, they held us at the tarmac in Palm Beach because Mar-a-Lago was shut down. They released us a while later. My motorcade arrived at the same time his was to Mar-a-Lago because he was on a different course and held him in a safe house.
And you remember, they found the gun of that muzzle in a bush and it saved his life miraculously. Second time. Well, we go into Mar-a-Lago, it's shut down. There's no one there. Helicopters overhead, the whole deal. And Kelly and I walk in. I had Hogan Gidley with me, my comms director, who used to be deputy press secretary in the first Trump administration. And then the president walked in with Susie Wallace, who's now the chief of staff.
This is before the election. He's in his golf attire. He's just come off of this event and he's kind of in shock. And we sat there together for two hours and forty five minutes and worked through that. My wife, Kelly, is a licensed pastoral counselor.
He knows her well. They were great for it was a it was a providential moment. But in this conversation, as we unpack this together, we were stuck there, you know, together. But I was so grateful for that moment. And one of the things I told him, I said, is, Mr. President, we've talked many times now about the first assassination attempt and how I don't believe in luck or coincidence. I believe God providentially spared your life, saved your life in front of the whole world.
So everybody can see it and can't deny it. It's a miracle. You should have died.
Should have died 100 percent. It was God's intervention. Yes. And no one can deny it. Yeah. And now the second time. Yes. And I said, sir, there's something I've been meaning to tell you about that we haven't had a chance to talk about of the first one. And Kelly starts kicking me on the table.
No, no, no, no. I said, Mr. President, I believe there's biblical significance to the fact that the first bullet hit your ear. I mean, I think God wants us to listen to him and seek his divine guidance and intervention. And that's what the framers did.
It's what the previous generation, previous presidents early in our history did, because they recognize the challenges were too big for them or all of us collectively. And I tell you what, he he he processed that. And you hear him use this language now. He said it in his inauguration address. Well, Easter. What about his Easter address?
Easter address is amazing. You know, you know, you know, American history so well. I have never heard of a proclamation so overt about Christ. Ever in the history of America, have you even Reagan, George W. Yeah, it's it was it was next level.
And so many people started texting me. Did you write that? No, I didn't write that. No, but the key is he said it. He said it. And he believes it.
Yes. And he uses that language, you know, and he talks often now about how he says God saved me for this purpose. He has said that.
And I believe it and I believe he does, too. So looking at the situation in Iran right now and, you know, they've been enriching their uranium for quite a long time. And they've openly said that it is their desire to wipe Israel off the face of the map. They call Israel the little state and they call America with the great state.
Yes. And we know that these proxy organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas and the Houthis are backed by Iran. And we still have these hostages that we want to see freed. And now we're negotiating with Iran, you know, and we don't know what that negotiation involves. But the president says we're close to some kind of a deal. You know, I guess my question and this is my limited knowledge, not knowing any of the things that you would know. Why don't we just go directly to them and say in no uncertain terms, you better release those final hostages.
And this stops today or there's trouble. I mean, of course, you know, we don't want to start a war with them, but I'm just asking, like, how do you deal with a threat like Iran and all that they do? Because aren't they really behind so much of the terrorism in the world today?
Yes. If you were to cut the head off a snake, it would be Iran. That's pretty much what I was going to say. I mean, they're the center of all of it. We all know that it is a I think it is the inclination of the president to do exactly what you just said. And if you recall, right before the inauguration, I think after the election, he said, if you don't release the rest of those hostages, there will be hell to pay. That was his words.
His inclination is to go in and take care of that. But it's a delicate balance over there with our allied nations and the other Arab states and all of that. And they're trying to work through it. You know, where Israel is on this. I mean, they understand, as you and I do, that Iran is the constant threat. You have to take care of openly fired missiles on Israel.
Right. So there is a there is an ongoing debate right now. I mean, this isn't the classified part in public. There's an ongoing debate amongst allied nations about how to do how to handle this. We absolutely must ensure they don't have a nuclear program. And we're in the midst of trying to resolve that right now. I mean, you know, I'm of the mind, as you are, that we desperate times call for desperate measures. And but but there's some really smart people trying to game this out and determine what that would mean and how that would might destabilize the region.
And would it get us into a war and all that? You know, I'm privy to conversations with the heads of state of these other Arab nations. We talk, Bibi Netanyahu and I have become good friends.
We talk all the time. So there's a lot of dynamics to take into account. But I mean, I'm praying that everybody who makes that ultimate decision, ultimately it's President Trump's to make that he has crystal clear wisdom and discernment about how to navigate through that. Yeah. What kind of how much of a threat is China compared to Russia? Equal, different? Is one more eminent than the other? Well, the problem is there is a new axis of evil.
It really is. It's China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, who are coordinating in many ways. So still North Korea, you would think of in that.
Oh, yeah. And they actually do have the capability to fire weapons of mass destruction. And of the threats, China is the greatest in terms of military threat. Since I came to Congress eight years ago, we referred to China as a near peer-to-peer adversary just because of their size and scope and what they've been doing. Is that fairly recent, would you say? Or has that been- It's emerged, you know, over the last decade or so. They're building their navy up and- Oh, yeah. It's a serious problem. Now they are almost a peer-to-peer adversary.
Wow. Would you say Russia is too? No, they're far distant. And of course, they've been mired in the unjust war against Ukraine. And they've exhausted a lot of their capability and resources and soldiers for that matter. By some measures, over a half million soldiers, Russian soldiers, have been killed in that conflict.
Unbelievable. Maybe much higher. We don't really know. But China is a serious threat. And this trade war is just sort of a bellwether of what's more to come.
And that's why the outcome of this is so important. It is the principal military threat to us and in every other way as well. And China is building- they're working on a long plan to be the great imperial power again. That's what Xi believes.
And they set up power posts in our hemisphere. Have you met him? No, I haven't met him and I have no desire to. He's- it's a real threat. And I think the president understands that threat. In fact, he was ahead of most people.
In 2015, in the campaign, when he first ran for president, they mocked him for saying China, China, China. And he was- he knew. He saw the threat coming before others did, as he has so many other issues. So it's- it'll be interesting. That issue requires a lot of prayer as well. Yeah, so speaking of prayer, you know, I want to just thank you for all that you're doing. And I'm going to continue to pray for you. And if you would be OK with it, I would like to just pray for you right now.
Please. Because, you know, there's no question, Mike, that- and he said, it's OK to call you, Mike. I don't want to think people are- think I'm disrespecting you. Sure, Greg. Mr. Speaker. OK, Pastor.
No, we're friends. That's certainly appropriate. But I- I want to pray for you because God has placed you here for such a time as this. And as I listen to you, you are so- just the right man for the right moment. And, you know, I've heard it said, if you see a turtle on a fence post, you know he didn't get there by himself, right?
That's right. And God's put you here. God chooses the lowly things to confound the wise.
Well, he does, doesn't he? And- but I can see he's given you also the wisdom and the temperament even to do this unusual job that you're called to do. So I'd like to- on behalf of a lot of believers out there that appreciate you, I'd like to pray for you right now. Be honored.
Thank you. Father, thank you for Mike. Thank you for raising him up. Thank you for his life. And I pray, first of all, that you'll bless him and his family, Lord, his children.
Of course, his wife. And there's so much responsibility that he bears. But yet, Lord, his faith is guiding him and you're using him and directing him. And I pray that he'll receive the wisdom he needs.
You tell us in scripture, if any man lack wisdom, let him ask of you and you'll give it generously. Give to Speaker Johnson the wisdom he needs to do the job you've called him to do. And thank you for the relationship he has with our president and that he can say things that the president very few people could say.
And so continue to use him there as well. So thank you for him. Bless him. And we commit him to you.
In Jesus' name, we pray. Amen. Thank you so much for this time. I've enjoyed it so much.
Absolutely. Glad you're here. Thank you. Hey, everybody.
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