Stephen Miller's Masterclass + Innovation Over Stagnation

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J.D. Vance and Stephen Miller are doing a phenomenal job as the ideological vanguard of the MAGA movement. You can email me, freedom at charliekirk.com, and subscribe to our podcast. That is the Charlie Kirk Show podcast page. That's turningpointusa at tpusa.com.

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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. We are here in Gainesville, Georgia at beautiful Free Chapel for our Faith Forward Pastor Summit, and I am back in the chair. Very special thank you to producer Andrew for filling in on short notice yesterday. I was in very bad shape yesterday. I got very sick over the weekend. I haven't been that sick in nearly five years, actually. It was the sickest I was in nearly five years. I could not move. It takes a lot to take me out of the chair for a sick day. There was something nasty going around.

I did every preparation measure imaginable. That thing roared through the house. I was even traveling for five days, and I thought I avoided it.

And we think it was the norovirus. Let's just say not fun, but recovered rather quickly, all things being equal. We had an amazing event last evening in Wisconsin. I was able to muster up enough to do that event. That event was brought to you by Big Pharma because I used every drug under the sun to be able to give the speech there last night in beautiful Oconomowoc, Wisconsin. And we were there supporting Mr. Brad Schimmel, hopefully to become on the Wisconsin Supreme Court. The most important race of 2025 is happening in Wisconsin. It all starts today.

Early voting starts today in Wisconsin. So we did that event intentionally aligning with the push for early voting there. So much to cover here as we are here at the TPUSA Faith Pastor Summit. Also, Jensen Franklin is a partner here doing this at Free Chapel and lots to cover. We're going to have Lucas Miles on the program, who is our director at TPUSA Faith. We're going to have Jensen Franklin himself on the program.

We are also going to have Andrew Sedra on the program. All about the rise of Islamism and Mohammedism. Very important topic as the rise of Mohammedism in the West is one of the greatest existential cultural threats. Forget the whole idea of the Houthis and the terrorists and Iran.

That's important. But the cultural ascension of Mohammedism is directly at odds with a free society. We're going to explore that with Andrew Sedra.

It is slow motion cultural suicide. But I want to emphasize two rock stars that President Trump has empowered. There is an ascendant.

There is a growing. There is a increasingly popular force and energy in the conservative movement, in ideological vanguard. J.D. Vance and Stephen Miller. I want to brag on both of these incredible leaders for a second. They're both great friends of mine.

I'm honored to call them friends. They are in the trenches fighting for the country every single day. Stephen Miller had, without a doubt, one of the best and most dynamic and informative, might I add, cable news segments that you'll ever find. Usually cable news is largely, especially CNN, just a waste of time. Love Fox News, but CNN is just a waste of time.

And why would anybody watch CNN? Stephen Miller goes on there and puts on a Ph.D. level masterclass on exactly what is happening with the expulsion and the deportation of these Trende Aragua. Invaders through a constitutional lens and argues rather brilliantly, running circles around Miss Casey Hunt. Why President Trump and this administration is in their rightful authority to do this and why this district court judge is defecating on the Constitution when he dares challenge it. She was so in over her head.

It was it was delicious to watch. Let's just let's just talk. These are two young guns. You got Stephen Miller and J.D. Vance that are the ideological vanguard. They are simultaneously fighting for the president.

His agenda. I wish I could play the entire 10 minute clip of Stephen Miller. Obviously, we can't on this program, but let's play a little bit of a snippet.

It's worth every minute. Play cut one away. So you called the judge's order just earlier today, quote, patently unlawful, end quote, and said that it was an assault on democracy itself. Does that mean that the administration is ignoring this order? And might you ignore future court orders that meet the criteria you laid out? The president of the United States and his administration reserve all rights under the Constitution to conduct national security operations in defense of the United States.

The Alien Enemies Act, which was passed into law by the founding generation of this country, men like John Adams, was written explicitly to give the president the authority to repel an alien invasion of the United States. That is not something that a district court judge has any authority whatsoever to interfere with, to enjoin, to restrict or to restrain any way. You can read the law yourself. There's not one clause in that law that makes it subject to judicial review, let alone district court review. Stephen Miller continues here on this constitutional scholar masterclass.

Play cut one on one. So I'll answer yours and you'll answer mine. Under the terms of the statute, Train Dero Agua is an alien enemy force that has come here as detailed at length in the proclamation at the direction of the Venezuelan government. The statute says that a president has the ability to repel an invasion or predatory incursion that is directed by a foreign government. Are they a state or a government, right? Are they a state or a government? Yes, it is documented that the TVA was sent by the Venezuelan government in the proclamation.

And here's an even more important point. Under the Constitution, who makes that determination? A district court judge elected by no one or the commander in chief of the Army and Navy?

The president and the president alone makes a decision of what triggers that determination in the statute. So do you then think we are actually at war with Venezuela, the nation state of Venezuela? You're not hearing me and you're not understanding me.

By the way, can we just get a side by side image up on screen? I hate to overly generalize, but you're going to have to indulge me in my generalizations for a moment. That's what's going on in America. On the right, you have very calm, stable, stoic, measured, wise, alpha male Stephen Miller with his life all together, beautiful family defending his nation.

On the left, you have scrambled. Not really a clear thinker. I'm not even saying she's not bright, which obviously she isn't, but she can't she can't control that. But she's just she's just a sloppy thinker. She doesn't have the mental capacity or the matrix to be able to even process. And she also does it in such a smug, condescending way as if she kind of like leans back. Why are you trying to say she was so out of her element here? And Stephen Miller was just kind of playing with her. My favorite part of the tape. You got to get this, Ryan, is when she was like, well, according to your own ex-post and seems like, nope, nope. And then he reads it word for word and some CNN producer then puts up the quote and turns out Stephen Miller was right. She got his she got even the quote wrong that he was then rehearsing or that he was then saying. And of course, she had people in her ear, obviously three or four producers piping in trying to give her one liners. It's just a perfect picture of what is going on in the country right now.

It really was a 10 out of 10 masterclass. So you got Stephen Miller and then we have the J.D. Vance element. The future is very bright, everybody. It's not just President Trump that is shouldering this burden. You have an entire team. You have Hegseth. You got Marco Rubio. You got Elon Musk. You have this phenomenal deep bench and they don't know which attack vector to focus on because it's a team of all stars. You look at Trump two versus Trump one and Trump one. We did not have this this this chorus.

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Balance of nature dot com. OK, let's play cut 134, please. Read the statute, Alien Enemies Act 1798. It says if a predatory incursion is perpetrated by a foreign government. So it lists three qualifying actions. It could be an active war. It does say in the very beginning there has to be a declared war against a nation or state. That's what it says.

Wrong. Look up the statute. It's on my account on social media.

That's actually where we found it. Yes, it says or a predatory incursion or an invasion. The statute delineates three criteria for triggering the Alien Enemies Act. One is a act of war, which, by the way, an invasion is an act of war. But put that aside. One is an invasion, which this is. One is a predatory incursion, which this is.

So it actually meets all three statutory criteria. Wrong. The same way that J.D. Vance has his not today, Margaret, or what was it? Stop talking, Margaret, or whatever it was, or just you just stop with your yammering, Margaret.

Stephen Miller has. Wrong. And by the way, she was wrong. She she has a whole platoon of producers. This is all she does.

Right. This is all Miss Casey Hunt does. Her job is to do one hour of just reading a teleprompter.

Her whole day is just configured around this. Stephen Miller is up at five in the morning. He's got three kids. He's a phenomenal husband, a resolute fighter for the country, governing nine different things across.

And then he has to get ready for a cable news hit and she still can't be prepared for it. I got to play one more here. It's Stephen Miller. And then we are going to play a little bit of J.D.

Vance. Play cut 112 under a proper reading of the Constitution. Just your court judges provide relief to individual plaintiffs seeking relief. District court judges do not have the authority as a general matter to enjoin the functioning of the executive branch. But their authority is at its lowest point when the president is exercising his powers as commander in chief. And I asked you a question. You never answered it. Can a judge enjoin troop movements overseas?

Can a district court judge enjoin troop movements overseas? Stephen, yes. I am not going to get into the.

Just say no. And then you'll know that I'm right. This is a separate question, Stephen. OK, we're not talking about other other troops overseas. I need to ask you about something else. The president issued a proclamation delineating in detail how the Venezuelan regime sent this gang, this terrorist organization to our shores. Just say no and you'll know that I'm right.

I mean, that is just a chef's kiss masterclass. And Stephen Miller is absolutely right. A district court judge does not have authority to enjoin a president's ability to do foreign policy matters.

By the way, breaking news. Chief Justice Roberts pushes back against calls to impeach judge who rules against President Trump. A legal mind here that we know very well in the program has told us exclusively, quote, This is completely improper for a chief justice to do. The courts are totally out of control right now.

Everybody. Understand that the sovereign, the power in America has been primarily concentrated into two buckets the last 100 years into the unelected bureaucracy and the unelected courts. Almost all of the power has been broken into those two buckets. The sovereign is actually in the people. And that's why we have presidents. Can President Trump actually can he impeach judges? Of course he can.

He'd have a hard time to do it. But constitutionally, it's one of the only checks and balances in our system. And now John Roberts is coming out trying to say that it's wrong for Donald Trump to do this. They are creating the constitutional crisis here because they are losing their grip on power.

President Trump used the. Law of the land to repel and to be able to deport Trendy Aragua. Could you imagine if every time we have to deport somebody, they have to have a separate hearing. They have to have a separate deportation hearing for everything. That's the way that they could destroy deportations through bureaucracy.

They could end the deportation effort by grinding it down to a halt by using. The federal bureaucracy. Did these judges win seven swing states? Did these judges win a popular vote mandate? Chief Justice Roberts wrote, quote, For two more than two centuries have been established that impeachment is not an appropriate response to disagreement concerning a judicial decision. Chief Justice Roberts, you are totally wrong here.

You are totally wrong. Quote, The normal appellate appellate review process exists for that purpose. Oh, the appellate review process will be used. And I think your Supreme Court will end up siding with President Trump.

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Absolutely. We're here at Pastor Jensen Franklin's church, which Jensen's like America's pastor. He's just he's so good to us. He's been so generous with this whole event.

Incredible facility. And we have expected today about eighteen hundred pastors and faith leaders from all across the country that are going to be joining us here. Really, as a time of refreshing, as a time of encouragement, really shoring up their understanding on some of these key topics and issues that I think are facing the church today.

And I think really as a celebration together. So we're looking forward to hearing from, you know, some of the top speakers in this nation that we've brought together. And it's going to be an incredible event. Eighteen hundred pastors and faith leaders.

That's remarkable. There's not many groups that are gathering people like this at this size. That's over five hundred senior pastors, spouses. We have ministry leaders, you know, associate pastors, worship pastors that are all gathering here. And this is, you know, sometimes just getting 30 pastors in a room is like herding cats and it's hard to do because they have theological differences. And that is that is one of our really central issues is that we want to help unify the church around primary doctrine. Look, I think that it's beautiful that churches have individual unique secondary positions that they take and they can celebrate within their their churches. But we have to learn how to work together and not allow those secondary issues separate us. And I think that's why we saw the problems in this nation, you know, especially over the last four years, get to where it got to because the church remained, you know, largely silent on these issues.

They're debating secondary problems rather than working together to really stand for liberty and freedom. Yeah, it's closed hand, open handed issues. One hundred percent. Another way to put it, which is, look, you got to be a Trinitarian. Right. We're not going to do the whole dualistic thing.

Yep. But, you know, for eschatology, that's that's an open handed. It's it's a secondary issue. And so, you know, look, and some of these issues are tertiary, you know, and we can get into worship styles and different things. We sing hymns or modern songs like those are not the things that we should be debating about as brothers and sisters of Christ.

We have things like the Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed to guide us in, which are really, you know, those aren't scripture itself, but they're summaries of the truth of the New Testament. And these are the things we want to rally around it so that we can really work together. If we're going to be in heaven together, we should learn how to work together on Earth.

Yeah. And so I want to emphasize this point. What TPSA faith is doing is so important. We've been at this for a couple of years. We are rallying, training pastors and equipping them in the grassroots in a way that we have not seen for quite a while.

And quite honestly, in our in our lifetime. And I want to just what is what does success look like for a pastor that comes through one of our trainings? Yeah, I think first off, they realize they're not alone. You know, there's so many pastors. They're like that prophet in a cave thinking that they're all by themselves. But they need reminded that the Lord's reserved thousands, you know, that that have not bowed the knee to Baal and that are willing to stand beside them. And so I think that our pastors here, they find relationships, they find friendships. I think they also find educational components. You know, pastors, some of these guys are spending, you know, 20 to 40 hours a week sometimes preparing message series and things like this.

And it sometimes makes it's difficult for them to also, you know, read up on critical race theory and queer theory and and understand, you know, issues of sovereign nations and these things. And so I think we're able to fast forward some of that understanding and really help equip them with verbiage and language that they can take to the pulpit to answer these real questions that their people are facing and asking. I love it. I want to go back to what we were talking about earlier. One of our Christian brothers, JD Vance. Yes. Phenomenal guy and a Midwesterner.

You and I both have a next date over from me. Yeah. So if you actually put Charlie Lucas and JD together, you got the trio of the Midwest. I like it. I like it.

You got Illinois at Indiana and Ohio. JD Vance gave an amazing speech. Yes.

This morning. That's going very viral that I want to play piece of tape. And also, I just want to say, everybody, the President Trump Vladimir Putin phone call is being translated as we speak. We're going to have a breaking news analysis in just a couple of moments live here on the program.

But first, let's play cut 113. Last month, migrant crossings were down 94 percent to their lowest number all time. And that happened just in two months of serious border enforcement. Thanks to President Trump's leadership last month, for the first time in over a year, the majority of job gains went to American citizens born on U.S. soil.

And that's important for the first time in over a year. The majority of job creation actually went to American citizens. I want to play one more piece of tape here and then just ask a more broad theological question.

Let's play cut 115. I'd say that globalization's hunger for cheap labor is is a problem precisely because it's been bad for innovation. Both our working people, our populace and our innovators gathered here today have the same enemy. And the solution, I believe, is American innovation and reclaiming our heritage via America's great industrial comeback. And I believe that's what we're on the cusp of a great American industrial comeback.

So J.D. Vance mentioned previously in the speech as well, borders. How should Christians and pastors think about immigration and borders? Yeah, you know, there's a thing within Christian theology called sphere sovereignty. And this is something I wrote about my book, Woke Jesus. And I think it's a very misunderstood or underrepresented aspect of of the Christian faith.

And I think a lot of pastors are ignorant to this. You know, when you look at God as the creator, he established a world of order. He took chaos and he brought order out of that. And this is one of the aspects, you know, of the mightiness of our God. And within that, we see authority given to kings and rulers over the nation. We see authority given to, you know, fathers and parents over their household and their children. We see authority given to elders over their their churches. And so whenever you have something that tries to assert authority or the ones who are delegated authority, they have delegated authority over those areas.

There's violations. We saw this during covid when governors are telling churches that they can't sing their their authority stopped at the church border. The pastors and the elders, it was their job to dictate and decide what was going to be, you know, what happened within those churches. We have individual sovereignty over ourselves. We you know what we have here in America as a representative governor.

We have the we the people and we have a, you know, president, the executive branch. And we have a right, I believe, a God given right to have strong, solid borders. And the porous nature that just allows people to come in and say, well, Jesus was an immigrant. You know, this is this is a false idea that's propagated by the Christian love. You know that Jesus was somehow an illegal immigrant in Egypt, despite the fact that was also under Roman rule.

You know, there's there's there's no instance in scripture that we see this. And so, look, as Christians, we want to love everybody. But people come into this nation for the specific purpose of destroying our way of life or doing things illegal. And if they're willing to come in and commit a crime illegally from the beginning, from their entry, how good of citizens are they going to be in this nation? We need to reform immigration. We need to create ways for for people to get in and for there to be a wise and warm welcome for people legally. But this idea that that Christianity should support a porous southern border, this is, I think, a false doctrine. And it's just a propaganda left. So in the the the proponents for open borders. Primarily are our Catholic friends and not even the rank and file, but some of the major charities.

Yes. But we have to be very fair that in our own evangelical circles, there is more and more relaxed posture towards. We have to be critical of 100 percent.

Can you comment on that? Yeah, I think that there's multiple things that are happening here. You know, we've talked a lot about this idea of there's true pastors, trembling pastors and traders. I love that categorization. And I think a lot of these guys are in this trembling category.

You know, we saw you've talked about this, you know, more than anybody. Prop 139 in Arizona. We saw so many pastors that were just silent the whole time and and really gave way to radical access to abortion within the state of Arizona.

And if we take that same posture over the issue at our southern border or over some of these other social issues and then stand back a year later or two years later, when we're so shocked that these things have passed and been allowed to happen, you know, we can't be surprised with that. We have it's the church's job. I believe, you know, we talk about this idea of separation, church and state. The state should always be far enough away from the church that it can never tell it what to do. It's not the state's job to dictate the church. The church is subject to God. But the church should always be close enough to the state in order to be her conscience. And we need more pastors that are rising up that are speaking to governors and and you know, mayors and and to, you know, leaders throughout our nation, reminding them of truth and biblical principles and objective morality so that they they are able to see, I think, a way a righteous way to govern this nation. And and I think that if we do that, if pastors recognize their position, you know, we're going to realize that we are in a position of strength and that we have a lot more power than what we think we do. I completely and totally agree. And if it's not for the church to stand up on these moral issues, then we get into societal confusion. And I believe that's one of the things we're experiencing right now.

If by that, if you do not live by the Christian ethic, you will live by the secular ethic and the secular ethic is inherently pagan. You're actually composing a book on these elements. Right. One minute.

Tell us about it. Yeah. So the book is called The Pagan Threat Confronting America's Godless Uprising.

It's available for preorder right now. And in this book, I go through and I lay out kind of these all of the different pagan ideologies that are really on the rise today. And ultimately, what we can do about as Christians and a lot of this comes back to you see something like the Apostles Creed. It gives us a roadmap and apologetic for how we can navigate our faith in order to really confront these issues and ideally win people back the hearts and minds for Christ.

Lucas Miles is with us here. List off your book or two. Yeah. So I wrote the book called Good God, The Christian Left, Woke Jesus.

I also was part of Barna's book called Helping Millennials Thrive and now The Pagan Threat. And tonight we will be streaming this event as well. Yes. On Rumble.

On Rumble. Great. We won't be on YouTube because we're not allowed to. We've got to play it safe.

It's not YouTube safe. But we have tonight yourself. I'll be speaking. We have Jensen Franklin and Matt Walsh. Matt Walsh. What an incredible lineup. I'm honored to be part of it.

Matt Walsh is going to light this place up. We're going to talk about the eradication of trans ideology from the public square and what Christians can do about it. Lucas, thanks so much. Thank you.

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We're going to see what we get on the JFK files. We have the Russia Ukrainian call that just wrapped between President Trump and Vladimir Putin. We also have developing in real time this Supreme Court rebuke of President Trump. A Supreme Court clerk friend of the program texted us, quote, It's ridiculous for the chief justice to advise Congress about what he believes is or is not a proper ground for impeachment. This is outrageous stuff from the court. They are radically in it.

They are in a improper radical position. And President Trump should keep on operating as if what a district court judge when it comes to foreign policy does not pertain. To his actions, this is extremely unusual for SCOTUS to comment on current affairs, but this is the pressure of Washington, D.C.. Let me explain to you exactly what is going on here. John Roberts lives in the suburbs of Washington, D.C.. He's getting a lot of country club chatter. John Roberts plays golf. The weather's getting nicer in Washington. He has to have lunch.

Maybe at Bethesda Country Club. Who knows? He's got to be around the high society folks and he's getting a lot of chatter.

His wife is getting a lot of chatter. He's starting to feel the pressure. The regime is waking up, everybody. We had those first 40 days. We were able to do whatever we wanted and boom, executive order this. And almost there was no opposition. That's over. We called that play last week. We said the opposition is alive.

The resistance is activated. And John Roberts is getting a lot of phone calls, getting a lot of little whispers. A lot of guys in the country club locker room saying, so when are you going to speak out against this madman, Chief Justice? He's getting a lot of pressure.

It's exactly what is going on here. And I think he's completely out of line. President Trump is the chief executive.

And commander in chief. If there is a case that John Roberts wants to weigh in on, well, then that case will come right up to him. That case will come up to him and he will say, I believe this is the right interpretation of the wrong interpretation. But for him to preemptively come out like this. It's totally out of line. And I'm not I'm not just saying this. We are getting text after text from legal expert, legal expert, Supreme Court clerks and many others in the 2018 Trump v. Hawaii case.

Clarence Tam. Clarence Thomas wrote, quote, These injunctions did not emerge until a century and a half after the founding. And they appear to be consistent with longstanding limits on equitable relief and the power of Article three courts. If their popularity continues, this court must address their legality. Appears to be inconsistent with longstanding limits on equitable relief.

But what we're experiencing is a constitutional crisis created actually by the courts, not by President Trump. What they want is a process where you have to have a month's long approval to deport every single Trende Aragua member. That is outrageous.

It is wrong. And we are eventually going to win up at the U.S. Supreme Court. You are going to win up at the U.S. Supreme Court. But this is their plan. And the plan is very well underway. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always. Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charlie Kirk dot com.