The Outsiders: House of Pain Rapper Restores House from Coppola's Movie

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Militarywarriors.org slash Ben. And we continue here with our American story. Since being released in 1983, Francis Ford Coppola's film adaptation of S.E. Hinton's coming-of-age novel The Outsiders has found continued popularity and has achieved official cult status. And now in what is surely one of the most interesting pop culture intersections, hip-hop artist Danny Boy O'Connor from the rap group House of Pain, best known for their iconic 1992 anthem Jump Around, purchased the Tulsa, Oklahoma home where much of the Outsiders film was shot. Here to tell this story is the man himself. Here's Danny Boy. My story really begins in Los Angeles, California 1983, when I went unknowingly to a movie that I had never heard of Woodland Hills, California called The Outsiders with my friend Steve Sokolsky, who just happened to read the book.

I believe I was in seventh grade. And so he was a fan of the book and he wanted to see the movie. He said, Danny, you want to go see a movie with me? And I thought, sure.

Steve Sokolsky, a pretty cool junior high kid that I knew. So I figured, you know, if he likes it, it'd probably be something I like, but I had no idea what we were going to go see. I didn't have any frame of reference. And on that full Saturday afternoon, we went in and saw the movie and I came out a changed man. And people ask me all the time, what was my fascination with The Outsiders? And the movie kind of hit me at a time where I definitely felt out of place in the San Fernando Valley in the 80s, being a native New Yorker who was moved to California at the age of six and kind of always had like a strong connection to the East Coast.

So Southern California in the 80s looked a lot different than New York City did. And I don't know, I just always felt separate and apart from and I got that from the movie as well. And I grew up my father went to prison when I was two months old. We moved in with my grandparents.

My mother worked nights at the Chase Manhattan Bank. And so I never really had that foundation or that family support or love. And, you know, I carry that with me, even though, you know, I've had a pretty extraordinary life. You know, that that foundation from the beginning has always felt unstable. And so when I went to see The Outsiders, the first thing I noticed was that they were a fractured family, a broken family, and that despite that, that they stuck together and had each other's backs.

And I felt at a 13 or 14 year old mindset was that if I could just find that kind of friendship out in the in the world, that maybe I wouldn't feel so bad about my home life and the way we grew up. And so that was the original hook for me for that movie. That being said, Matt Dillon was the coolest dude on the planet at that time. The cast was incredible, whether it's Patrick Swayze, Ralph Macchio, Tom Cruise, Darren Dalton, C. Thomas Owl, Diane Lane.

They were all, you know, this was the first time I was really seeing them. Actually, Leif Garrett was the big star in my mind, looking back, because he was a 70s star. And so really was the only notable name that I knew prior to The Outsiders then, Matt Dillon. But that being said, you know, the movie was was was the coolest thing I'd ever seen.

And it stuck with me. I immediately went home and then dug out a denim jacket that I may have had from the 70s in New York and kind of adapted that Dallas Winston Matt Dillon swagger for the next few years. But as fate would have it, I didn't really have much of a game plan coming out of high school. I dropped out in ninth grade. I hung out for the next three years at high school.

Never really went in too much. Got in a little bit of trouble with the law. And during the time when most of my friends were graduating high school and heading off to college or embarking on a career, I had no idea what I was going to do. And so I connected, reconnected with a high school friend who had had a record out prior to me and him reconnecting. And we started a band called House of Pain. And at the time in hip hop, there wasn't anything on the landscape like it. We were really, you know, kind of the next wave of of of hip hop in the early 90s. But at that time, there wasn't any really there wasn't really any hard white boys. And we were like Irish American, tough white kids.

And that was our shtick. And our deal was is that, you know, we were the kind of like, you know, boom bap, punch you in your face type of hip hop that was missing. You know, as the 80s turned into the 90s and grunge was a thing, hip hop needed to reinvent. So us and Cypress Hill were kind of like the next phase of that in that moment. And so it was very successful with that and sold a few million records and traveled all over the world and made a million bucks.

But, you know, like to say what goes up must come down. And it wasn't only, you know, five years later that I was back to where I started even last because, you know, doing music for a living, especially as a creative director and an artist more than I am a musician. It kind of left me empty handed when the career was done or the music career was done in that moment. And I really had no other life skills. And I unfortunately turned to drugs to deal with that pain. So I spent the next, you know, five to six years high on methamphetamines and drinking around the clock. And it wasn't until about year 2000 that I got sober. I stayed sober for about three and a half years. And you know, first year was good.

Second year I started getting complacent and a little of my attitude started to come back and my expectations started to come back. At around three and three and a half years, I decided to have a drink and it was pretty much the worst decision I'd ever made. It took me one week to go back on drugs and took me three years to make it back to the 12-step program. And it wasn't until 2005 that I was able to get, draw another sober breath.

And 2005 is when I began to put another group together called La Coconostra. And it was on that fateful tour that brought me to Tulsa, Oklahoma. So when we got to Tulsa, Oklahoma, we were stuck here for three days.

And when I say stuck, I mean stuck. But day two of the three days that we were here, we began to get extremely bored. And so I called down to the concierge desk in the lobby and asked them to call us a cab. They laughed.

There was no such thing as cabs. They were able to wrangle us up a guy in a van that took about an hour and a half to get to the hotel. And then when he got there, we asked him, can he take us on a proper tour of Tulsa, which he proceeded to say yes and then took us to the Woodland Hills Mall.

And I can assure you that didn't go over so well with a bunch of 40-year-olds going to what was at that point pretty, you know, the mall was kind of shuttered as well. And so we went there for about an hour. And as we were heading back to downtown Tulsa, it occurred to me, Tulsa, Tulsa, Tulsa, why does Tulsa sound familiar to me?

And it was at that moment I had the epiphany. And I said, excuse me, driver. And he said, yes.

I said, was the outsiders filmed here? And he almost like locked up the brakes. He was like, turn around. He said, yes, absolutely. He says, why? Do you know it? I said, I not only know it, I love it.

Do you know where any of the filming locations are? And he said, I do know where the driving is. So we proceeded to drop off the rest of the group.

I grabbed my road manager and said, you're coming with me. I grabbed my laptop. And at the time, even in 2009, there wasn't much on the internet to go on.

And it's not like today. 2009, I looked up for locations for the outsiders. And I found a Flickr account or two. And I found a site called Tulsa TV Memories, which had a few of the locations. And the addresses were given up.

The address I was most interested in was the outsider's house, which was not given on that website. But they did tell us where the drive-in was. And it did tell me where the park in the movie was, the Crutchfield neighborhood.

And so we went to the drive-in. And I couldn't imagine that this thing was going to look anything like it did in the movie. But not only was it, it felt like it hadn't changed a bit.

And my mind just started to just melt, really, because it looked exactly like it would have in 1982 when they were filming and exactly like it did in the 60s when they were trying to describe it. So it was pretty good stuff. Anyway, so yeah, we got that driver to take us around Tulsa. We were able to find the drive-in. We were able to find Crutchfield Park, which was the park that Johnny stabs the Socs in.

And they had the confrontation with the Socs in. And then by finding the bark, I was able to find the house. And by finding the house, this is where my life starts to take a different turn.

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Let's pick up where we last left off. At the time it was for sale for $40,000. I can assure you, you can't buy anything in Los Angeles, California with the word real attached to it for $40,000. I could not believe that this house, one would be for sale, two would be $40,000 and three that nobody understood its true value as an American classic and really a sacred hallowed grounds. That being said, I knew that I was in no position to buy a house in Tulsa, Oklahoma living in Beverly Hills, California, and that I should just kind of take a photo and soak it all in while I was here and keep moving.

So that's exactly what I did. I took a photo out front. We played Cain's Ballroom the next night and I also found out that there was a hole in the wall that Sid Vicious had punched in 1978 when the Sex Pistols played Cain's Ballroom. And I put both of those photos on Facebook, which was pretty much a new thing as well. And the response I got was incredible. And in particular, everybody was fascinated with the outsiders and that the house was not only one still on earth, but they couldn't believe that it was still on the Warner Brothers lot, which I had to correct a lot of people that it is no, it is not on the Warner Brothers lot in Burbank. It is actually still here in North Tulsa. And I made sure I did not tell anybody that it was for sale because I didn't want anybody else buying it. Never again thinking that I would end up buying it five years later.

But that's exactly what happened. So after finding the house, we kind of, I realized that there's some real cool stuff across America. And so it really started here for me, but I started to urban explore and I put a group together called the Delta Bravo Urban Exploration Team. And what that is, is it's a page I started on Facebook and I put the Outsiders House first and I put a before and after photo, told people the basics, you know, the Outsiders 1982, here's the house that the Curtis Brothers lived.

Here's the address, 731 North St. Louis Avenue. And here's a before and after photo. And I found a lot of support and made a lot of friends through this web page that we started. And I found that there was a lot of like-minded people all over the world, but here in particular in the US that were at a certain age where they were like really looking back fondly on all of the pop culture locations and all of our collective history, which is really pop history.

I mean, I was, if I'm honest, I was raised by a television set and the radio. I mean, this is where I got most of the stuff I was after, you know, as a kid, this is where all my information came from. So in 2009, I used the tour bus as my personal like pop culture location vehicle. And I figured if I'm going to be on this tour bus and everybody else is going to be, you know, doing their thing, I'm going to get highly caffeinated, walk around every city we go to, and I'm going to look for a culturally relevant undiscovered locations.

And so that was the birth of the Delta Bravo urban exploration team. Again, it just was like a cool hobby that I could do in my sobriety that really cost me nothing. It was, I was also able to kind of like, see all the undiscovered locations that I had always wanted to see, like where Mary Tyler Moore's house was in Minneapolis, where the Son of Sam was arrested in Brooklyn and stuff like this. And because of the success of that on the internet, I got so much, you know, so many accolades and met so many cool people, we started to do it like, we took it pretty serious for a while. We were actually getting courted by a lot of companies in Hollywood, they were trying to turn it into a television show.

It never really kind of worked out television wise, but the group kept growing and growing. So we started to go on group trips. And meanwhile, I was still touring a lot, so I was going back and forth across the US. And year after year, a minimum of twice a year, but sometimes three or four times a year, I would come back, whether on purpose or not, to Tulsa, Oklahoma. And I'd always make a mission or pilgrimage to see the outsider's house and mostly some of the other locations as well. And what I started to notice is that year after year, this house was starting to deteriorate and that the neighborhood was starting to fall apart and that the Habitat for Humanity was coming through here and they were clearing out a lot of these these streets and these houses, building new houses.

I always like to qualify that I am a fan of the Habitat for Humanities and what they do, in particular making low income houses affordable to people who wouldn't be able to afford those. And that being said, I was worried that nobody recognized this house for really what it was, which was an American classic and a cinematic masterpiece, part of a bigger picture. And so at year five is when I got here and started to get worried. I started to think, well, what if they tear this house down? And what if nobody recognizes that what this thing really represents and what it is?

And it's on the fifth year when I started to ask myself the question, well, why don't you do something about it? And really, I have no expertise on any of this stuff. I was just a fan who couldn't imagine the world without the outsider's house. There was really never a plan or a blueprint or any of that.

But what I did was meet a couple of people here in Tulsa, Oklahoma. They not only saw the vision that I had that this should be some kind of like, one, it shouldn't ever be torn down. Two, maybe it could be restored and it could be somebody's house. And we could put a little display or some homage to the movie that was filmed here in one of the rooms.

And the idea just kept getting bigger and bigger. But what ends up happening is we end up getting the contact information for the owner, who her husband bought the house five years before I got here. And they basically did a quick fluff and buff in hopes to use it as a rental property. Unfortunately, her husband died.

He gives it to her in the will. And her and her sister moved to Florida because they were not native to Tulsa. And they've had no reason to stay here once her husband was gone. I guess they were kind of like absentee landlords. I mean, they were trying their best to collect the rent, but the tenants weren't paying. They were eight months behind in their rent.

The house was in terrible condition. And so by the time I found her in 2009, she was ready to sell. We called her. She told us she wouldn't take a penny less than $20,000. My buddy made the call, so he said he wouldn't give her a penny more than $15,000, to which she accepted.

And at that point, I thought, man, we robbed this lady. I mean, we bought an American treasure for $15,000. I mean, where on earth can you buy a house for $15,000, much less the house from the movie The Outsiders? So yeah, so I buy the house for $15,000.

I buy it sight unseen. I had never been in the house. I had peeked in it a few times. I had been on the outside of The Outsiders' house a few times, but never really knowing the true condition of the house, and also never understanding. When it comes to remodeling homes or anything that has anything to do with that, I have no idea what I'm doing.

So this is not something that I would have been predisposed to do or something that would have been a likely thing for me to do. I was just a passionate fan who couldn't imagine, if they tore this house down, what the world would be like without it. And so I ended up giving the tenants, little by little, over a month to move them out because, again, they were eight months behind in rent, and it cost me $4,800 to get them out. When I finally drove here a month later from California to see my new house, I ended up breaking in a back window because they did not leave me keys, and I realized that this was the worst mistake I had ever made. And you just heard it from him, the biggest mistake he'd ever made, was it? Well, we're going to find out the rest of the story in a minute, but what a story it's been so far. He was raised on TV in a tour bus, and for $15,000, he thought he'd just bought a piece of the American dream, and certainly an American treasure. What happens next? Danny Boy O'Connor's story continues here on Our American Stories. Thank you.

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And we all have that film or that book or that song. Let's return to Danny Boy's story in Tulsa. Clearly the owner knew a lot better than I did the condition of the house. If there was any worry of me underpaying for this house, it was quickly erased when I got in here. I mean, this house was in shambles. The only thing this house needed was a brand new house and it was in terrible condition.

And then the fact was it didn't look like it had been cleaned up in the last 100 years. They were hoarding in here and it was in terrible condition and I panicked. And at that point I thought, well, basically I just flushed $20,000 of my $28,000 life savings down the drain. I had no work in the foreseeable future for me.

We weren't touring at that time. And so my next thought was like, look it, I'm going to ask for help. And I often say, you know, I'm a six foot six alpha male and it's hard to ask for help when people assume that you should be able to do this type of work.

But the truth is I don't know how to do this type of work. And it was very, it was very humbling. And I had to really humble myself to admit that I didn't know what I was doing and I was in over my head. And that perhaps if there were a few other outsiders fans on earth like me, maybe they could help me find a way to turn this into a, to a museum to help pitch in whether that was a gift in kind or some cash or whatever. And so we put a GoFundMe together and we started to raise a little money and immediately the press got ahold of the story.

And if I thought I was one of few outsiders fans on this planet, it didn't take long for me to figure out that I was clearly wrong on that. I mean, immediately the city council showed up to the house, the mayor of Tulsa showed up to the house, the press came out of the woodworks and it just kept growing and growing and growing. And before long, you know, here we were on our way to turning this thing into a museum. Now, at first I want to tell you it was going to be a movie museum because I had read the book, but it was only a few years prior that I read the book. But this book again is, it is an American classic. It was written by a 15 year old girl here in Tulsa, Oklahoma by the name of Susan L. Louise Hinton. The book is 51 years old now.

It has never been out of print. At the time when Susie got her publishing deal, they agreed with the publishers that it'd be best if nobody understood that she was a female. So they called her S.E.

Hinton to be ambiguous with that. She was failing out of English when she wrote it and got a D plus in creative writing. And I think that's incredible because the hope is there, you know, for everybody that great things can happen despite maybe a few bad marks in a few, in a few classes. And really the book is what brings most people to the house. People love the movie without a doubt. And that movie, you know, basically launched the Brat Pack, which is all the actors we've mentioned before.

You know, Tom Cruise, Patrick Swayze, Matt Dillon, Ralph Macchio, C. Thomas Howell, Diane Lane, directed by Francis Ford Coppola. The book seems to have way more of a draw or is equal, if not bigger, draw than the movie. And that was learning experience for me as well, because on an average day, people come by this house all the time to stop by. And it's usually, you know, a 50 year old, a 40 year old, two 17 year olds and a 12 year old. And it's usually somebody's going to seventh grade and it's required reading. Their older brother and sister read it five years ago when they were in seventh grade. Their parents remember reading it when they got to junior high and they also were there to see the movie or saw it on HBO when they were kids. And it's really the whole family tree that comes to enjoy this whole story from the book to the movie.

And now I'm told it's being turned into a Broadway musical, which is also incredible. So much stuff has transpired since that first day of me buying the house. But what ended up happening is that the whole community kind of just puts this thing on their back and runs with it. Plumbers came by and helped me plumb, roofers roofed, gardeners gardened, tile layers tiled and contractors contracted and everybody just started to do what they could do. And it looked like, you know, people would say, hey, listen, on Sunday after my daughter's soccer practice, I can come by and work for two hours for free if you don't mind us.

Yeah, it would be fantastic. And so really, this is a communal project. You know, I get thanked everywhere I go around town and around Oklahoma for, you know, saving the outsider's house. But I feel disingenuous by accepting that praise.

And I always tell them and I think they think I'm being, you know, humble or being, you know, coy or whatever. But the truth is that this thing happens because everybody pitched in and helped. And it was usually the people with the least to give given the most.

That being said, we, our number one supporter cash wise is the author, Essie Hinton herself. And Jack White also, you know, came by and told me he loved what we were doing and loved the book, loves the movie and loves Tulsa. And he got us over the hump. We were stuck at $45,000 on our GoFundMe and we were looking for $75,000.

And he said, I want to give you $30,000 from last night's show and get you over the hump, which he did that and changed everything. I mean, we were kind of, we were, what I thought would take six to eight months to complete, took us three years. Two months ago, we finally were able to cut the ribbon. In between those last three years, we've done three events to support the house. We're both Ralph Macchio, C. Thomas Howe, Darren Dalton.

All of them in the movie had come back one or two to three different times for three different events to support this. And really what I found out is this thing has become like a community center and had a really good trickle down effect. I mean, when I got here, the lawn was to my waist and trash all over the place. We cut the lawn, got it down to size.

We removed all the debris. We cut down trees that had fallen in upon themselves and we basically cleaned this house up so nice that everybody else in the neighborhood started to get the drift and they started to clean their stuff up. And before long, it changed the face of the neighborhood as well. And so if you come here in North Tulsa on the corner of Independent and St. Louis, you'll definitely, you'll see what I'm talking about. And it's a sight to behold.

There's a lot of, there's just so many different layers to this thing. I would have been bored a long time ago if it was just a house from a movie. And as much as I love the film and love the book, there's so much more greater at work here.

I love Tulsa, Oklahoma. I love that a 15 year old girl wrote this while she was failing out of English and got a D plus in creative writing was really going through a rough patch and she wrote this masterpiece. And this masterpiece is different than all others because it literally is the book that starts the young adult category. It was the first time that a young adult ever wrote about being a young adult for young adults.

And if I'm not mistaken, that is the most successful category of books now on the market. For me, it's changed my life. I spent the first, let's call it first 45 years of my life trying to build my career and promote my brand and stay relevant in that way. And finally it was a breath of fresh air to discover that this thing could use somebody to champion it. And instead of championing the fragments of my shattered career or whatever in music, that I was able to parlay all that experience that I thought was of no use in the end and pivot it out and put it into Susie's legacy and in particular saving the outsider's house. And by taking this on, it's opened my world to a whole bunch of other areas.

We're looking to do weddings here. We bring school children through on Monday through Friday so schools will read this at seventh grade. They will go to the Circle Cinema which was also a historic movie theater here that's 91 years old on the original Route 66 and it was also featured in the movie. They show that movie to those seventh graders and then the seventh graders come here dressed as greasers and so and they get to experience the house, the museum. And I know that they get truly inspired because they don't have a lot of role models to look at and to say, hey, this person is from my school or my city or my town and they've became successful and they're legends. And make no mistake, S.E. Hinton is their, that's their legend.

That's their mentor. They look and they go, this little girl did this here and it gives them hope. And so for me, I found a whole new purpose here in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I live here now full time. I moved from Beverly Hills and I've been here for two years and it only gets better for me. This town has changed tremendously in the last ten years for the better. There's a ton of cool things here between Route 66 and Canes Ballroom and the Drillers Baseball Stadium where the Dodgers double A team plays. There's good food, good people and, and affordable gas. What more can you want?

And you can buy a beautiful home here for $150,000 which, tell me where else you can do that. So I'm Danny O'Connor. I'm the owner of the Outsiders House but I am the executive director of the Outsiders House Museum and yeah, this is my American story. And what a story. Thanks to Danny Boy O'Connor for telling it and thanks to Greg Hengler for putting this together.

By the way, make sure to go to TheOutsidersHouse.com to learn more. Take a visit if you're driving across the Midwest. Stop in Tulsa. He took a stop in Tulsa all right and he called it his home. Danny Boy O'Connor's story of finding home.

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