Spiritual Insights from Korea; Election Reflections; and Answers to Your Questions

The world is in turmoil, America is shaking, and I'm back from Korea with some insights.

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Well, it is an absolute joy to be sitting back in my studio back from a wonderful trip in Korea. This is Michael Brown. I'm absolutely delighted to be with you. Here's the number to call: 866-34TRUTH, 866-348-7884. And I'd love to hear from you.

If you heard my interview yesterday with German pastor Walter Heidenreich, as he talked about what our attitude should be with the refugees as a godsend, as that we should have an attitude of faith, not fear, that God is giving us an opportunity to reach Muslims with the gospel, people we would not normally be able to reach. I'm talking about the great things God is doing in Germany that you don't hear about on the news. I'd love to get your response: 866-348-7884.

Okay. A bunch of things to talk to you about with the presidential elections.

Some very interesting meetings I had with key leaders in Korea. I'm talking about key secular leaders, Christian men and women, but key leaders in high places in Korea that will give you some perspective of the pressure that they are under in Korea and other nations from America to conform in some social and moral issues. I want to bring that perspective to you.

Some interesting challenges faced by the Korean church today that parallel challenges that the American church faces here in America. And again, as we weigh in on what's happening in presidential politics, we want to talk to you about that. And some very interesting. developments in terms of messages that we have gotten out on the issue of abortion, I I wrote an article When I was, let's see, I was in Korea. I got up one morning and I thought, let me write this.

This is on my heart to do. And it's since gone viral. In particular, if you go to, well, if you go to askdrbrown.org, my article, since God hates the shedding of innocent blood, can a Christian vote for Hillary? It's gotten a lot of attention online. And then some pro-life graphics, some pro-life memes that we posted.

There's just one picture of a little baby, and it says if abortion isn't murder. Why is it a double homicide when a pregnant woman is killed? In some states, that's the statute. Thus far, it's been shared on our Facebook page almost 155,000 times, but it's reached at this point almost 11 million people. On our Facebook page, Something very, very interesting, very interesting in terms of God kind of breathing on these messages as we've been getting them out on pro-life.

But before I get into all that, just a personal update.

So I traveled back from Korea 20-something hours. Got home last night about 11:30. in the evening. I hadn't slept that much on the flights, but part of that was by design because when I got home, I didn't want to be absolutely wide awake. I wanted to be a little tired so at least I could go to sleep at a reasonable hour.

So, Nancy and I caught up on a bunch of things. I had a bunch of things to share with her about the trip that we hadn't caught up on yet. And then. She had a bunch of things to catch me up on: developments at home, all good stuff. My mom, though, had gone to the emergency room.

She's almost 94. It's actually a minor condition. Everything's fine. But she had to go in by ambulance when I was away. She lives about 10 minutes away from us.

So last night, just getting settled into bed, time to go to sleep and long trip, and both ready to chill out. And the phone rings. My mom's not feeling well.

So we went over to her place about 1:30. 2 in the morning and ended up getting to sleep. Oh, probably about 7 in the morning after bringing her back to emergency. But good news is everything is fine. And uh I'm feeling good.

I'm feeling good. I'm thrilled to be back home.

So. Welcome back. to the line of fire. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown.

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But he made a deal with the devil. She's the devil. He made it. All right, things continuing to heat up with the presidential elections here in the United States. Michael Brown, thrilled to be back from Korea.

I hope you appreciated the updates from Korea. I hope you enjoyed the special interviews. And in particular, if you got to hear my interview with Pastor Walter Heidenreich from Germany, a man who's been on the front lines for 40 plus years, ministering to the poor, ministering to drug addicts, ministering to the hurting, a great world missions emphasis, and working with churches throughout Germany, Europe, Asia, even other countries, even work they've been doing in Austin, Texas. And always praying, always looking for gospel opportunities. I had written about the Syrian refugee crisis months back, and one of the points that I made was that the government should take care of the security issues and the church should focus on the ministry issues.

And I think if we do that, we have a healthy marriage. We have a healthy mindset that it's not up to us to strategize what's best for American security. We pray for wisdom for our government leaders, but we look at everything as an opportunity for the gospel. And that was Pastor Heidenreich's thought that we should look through the eyes of faith, not fear, and that he feels there's no reason for fear. In Germany with the refugees.

It's an opportunity for the gospel, and that thousands of Muslim refugees are genuinely getting saved. 866-34Truth, what are your thoughts on that? And Anything that you'd like to ask me about or weigh in on, I'm going to open the phones wide today and get your calls in a little while. All right, from Korea. Let me give you a perspective.

I'm back in the States. Let me give you a perspective. on the presidential elections. Let me come at this from another angle. I wrote an article last week, as I mentioned a few minutes ago, getting a lot of attention, circulating very well online.

Since God hates the shedding of innocent blood, can a Christian vote for Hillary Clinton? And my answer to that question is: obviously, whatever you do is between you and God. But my urging to you is: under no circumstances, vote for Hillary Clinton. And again, if that means you sit out the presidential part of the elections and you vote for all the other candidates, if that means you vote for a third party candidate, I'm saying for those who feel they can't vote for Donald Trump, so be it.

So be it. But in conscience before God, I cannot cast my vote for someone who stands for the shedding of innocent blood. Remember, Hillary Clinton's on record for saying that if it's merited right up to the end of the ninth month, you can abort a baby. Baby that would be viable. on the other side of that of that womb.

That you can still abort that baby. She is a radical pro-abortion president. And the whole language that was used in the past, say when her husband was running for president, that. Abortion should be safe, but it should be rare. That people weren't shouting out their abortion.

And this is not to condemn those who've had abortions. Jesus forgives that sin like every other sin. But it's to say this is the climate has changed dramatically for women to be shouting out their abortions today. Not all, of course, but some. That was not the climate years back.

All right, but all that to say. And if you say, but look, it doesn't matter who we have elected, things continue as they are, that's because we haven't had consistent pro-life presidents. If we had consistent pro-life presidents, one after another after another, since Reagan on, and we would have had different justices in the Supreme Court and other things would have been different, I believe Roe v. Wade could have easily been overturned by now. Easily.

Alright, but That's not the angle I want to mention to you. That's not the angle I want to mention. And I will come back to that a little later in the show. But You must understand. that the United States is putting severe pressure severe pressure on Other nations, what when I say severe, I I mean Telling them, listen, if you want our economic cooperation, you're going to have to do this.

If you want to be on the cutting edge of what's happening in the world and on the front lines of progress and things like that and prosperity for your country, you're going to have to get on board with us in terms of gay activism. I have heard directly from leaders in Singapore. When I was there two years ago, I had significant meetings with key leaders in Singapore. I heard it from business leaders. I heard it from people who are working with others in the government.

I heard it from other angles there. Pressure coming, university level, that if you're going to be cutting edge, if you want our support, if you want our cooperation, our partnership, whatever it is. Singapore, of course, an amazingly prosperous nation and so much cutting-edge technology taking place from there.

So it's a different than, say, a developing nation where more money is being poured in. But I heard it from friends working with leaders in Africa, heads of state in Africa, getting personal phone calls from the president or vice president. You need to change your policies on gay activism. Here in Korea, I had some significant meetings with key leaders. This was not on my schedule.

I didn't know it was going to happen until I got there.

Some key government leaders, a key professor working on the front lines of these issues in Korea and now internationally. I'm trying to have high-level meetings with people. I was not expecting this. God arranged it for me while I was there. And they were discussing the pressure.

that Korea is under. And Korea, again, one of the leading One of the leading nations in the world in terms of developing economy and in terms of technology and things like that. And the Korean work ethic, second to none. There may be others that work just as hard, but second to none. You're talking about the kids in school.

So you're in high school. Maybe your day starts at 8 in the morning. Maybe you finish with your homework and things like that at 10, 11 at night. I mean, they are pushing and pushing and pushing and getting by on unlimited amounts of sleep so that they can do their best and get into the best universities and then get the best jobs and work and work and work incredible hours. And then many still devoted to the church in the midst of all of this.

This is an active, growing nation. And of course, there are so many products like what? Samsung, that's Korean. I mean, there are other major companies that come out of Korea, and yet they are under pressure. From the United States government, that they have to get on board.

They have to get on board if they want to continue to be a leading nation. They must get on board with LGBT activism. And we have the United States now openly gay ambassadors saying Obama trade will export LGBT agenda. Quote, after all, an export is more than just an item we're shipping overseas. It's also a product of the values of the people who created it, which it represents.

And while the United States has made important progress in promoting and protecting the human rights of all of its residents, we are constantly reminded of the challenges LGBTI persons continue to face in countries around the world. And therefore, Therefore Mm-hmm. What that means is, you're going to be under even more pressure in the coming years. Please hear me. This is a major issue.

This is something that is going to affect children's education. This is something that is going to affect the meaning of marriage. This is something that is going to affect. Millions and millions and millions of Christians, tens of millions of Christians, and hundreds of millions of people in other nations. If Hillary Clinton is elected, barring Saul of Tarsus' experience on the Damascus Road, she's going to push this even harder than President Obama.

She did as Secretary of State. There was an outrage in nations across Africa. How dare you try to push your agenda on us?

Okay? How dare you try to push your morals on us?

So This is the way it will go with the Hillary Clinton presidency. There is no doubt about it barring divine intervention. and you cannot count on divine intervention. You know, it's like saying, okay, well, we're going to plan on our team winning, but the way the team's going to win is not by preparation and hard work and having the best team, but hoping that lightning will strike the field before we get there and the other team won't be able to play. I mean, that's the type of stuff you don't plan for.

All right?

So I'm just telling you. I've heard this from several different nations, from government leaders, from people in high places, and from other nations with friends connected to people in high places, directly to heads of state. I'm telling you, there is heavy pressure. It's not just a matter of... Don't put homosexual men and women to death.

That's not what the government's saying. The government's saying, change your school policies, change the meaning of marriage in society, change the philosophy of how you deal with this morally, culturally. That's the kind of pressure that's coming. If you vote for Hillary Clinton, you're voting for an ungodly pressure, for an ungodly agenda to be put on the nations. You want that on your head?

Go ahead and have it on your head. It's not going to be on my head. The problem, of course, The problem, of course, is that the Republican candidate Donald Trump scares many people for other reasons.

Now, I could almost guarantee that he would not be pushing that. Regardless of how friendly he wants to be to LGBT people, I believe that's been his history of having many gay friends and colleagues. I would just imagine that's the case in the business world he's been in and is a basically lifelong liberal, perhaps getting more conservative now in his older age. But There are other problems I understand with the Trump candidacy. In the last half hour of our two-hour broadcast, I'm going to speak with James Robinson.

And ask him, okay, if you're whispering in the ear of Donald Trump, what are you saying to him? But please understand the stakes are higher than you realize in many ways. Ain't the world It's fire we want for fire we It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown.

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Will we be a nation where there's only one way to love, only one way to look, and only one way to live? Or will we be a nation where everyone has the freedom to live openly and equally? That was the voice of Sarah McBride. Sarah McBride was a speaker at the DNC convention and the, or DNC convention, C is convention there.

So she was a speaker. She, he, depending on your point of view, the first openly transgender speaker at one of these presidential conventions. And that again leads us back to the subject of what agenda America is pushing on the rest of the world. 866-3487-8. 884 is the number to call.

And again, if you believe that you have a justifiable reason. as a follower of Jesus to vote for Hillary Clinton, give me a call. I'd love to interact with every Facebook comment and tweet, but as you can understand, that's not feasible with the amount of comments that come in and tweets and emails, etc. I can only interact selectively, understandably. But if you call, I've got a better chance of interacting with you.

I know some of you are unable. You listen during work and somehow you're able to do that, but you can't communicate back, or you listen to my podcast after the broadcast. I appreciate that. I understand that.

However, it's best if you want to interact with me and expect to hear back from me. You want to have your say and hear what I have to say, then calling is always the best way. I will not bite. I will not jump on you, I will not insult you, I will not belittle you. But if you, as a follower of Jesus, feel there's a legitimate reason why you can vote for Hillary Clinton.

Please give me a call. I do want to say that I had an excellent conversation some weeks back with a gentleman. who said, Listen, Abortion is not going to be affected by who's in office. Reagan was in office eight years, we still had it. George H.W.

Bush, after that, still have it. No real changes in the laws. George Bush, another eight years, we still have it.

So It has to change for the reasons.

So his point was: I'm voting for other issues. In other words, whoever you vote for, abortion is going to continue the same until it changes on a grassroots level. And it was a fine conversation. The gentleman had a head on his shoulders and made points that were not obscurantist points or ridiculous points in any way.

So it was a good, fair conversation and it was food for thought for sure. I have differences. I have strong differences. But I believe that many of you listening to me did vote for, let me say this: in terms of percentage of my listening audience, some of you.

Some of you voted for Barack Obama.

Some of you voted the first time and had regrets and did not the second time. I heard from many such people four years ago. But others for eight years voted for him. And it could be because historically you vote Democrat, because you believe that the Democrats have better social policies in other areas.

So here's the question: one group theoretically, theoretically, I'm not saying this is accurate. One group stands for protecting the baby in the womb, the other group stands for protecting the baby outside the womb. Who do you vote for? Let's say one party was really helping preserve the sanctity of life, babies in the womb, and helping mothers not to have abortions, etc. All right?

On the flip side, You have another group saying, hey, we're helping the babies that are starving and babies that are sick, we're treating them.

So who do you vote for? I understand that tension. I just don't see it like that. I don't see it like that. And I don't see that the Democrats who are so strongly pro-abortion and increasingly militantly in the last eight years of party policies and actions, from the Clinton era to the Obama era, now potentially to the Hillary Clinton era.

Not only so, but I don't see effective policies that are really Enabling and empowering the poor in America. Are the Republicans doing something adequately there? No, absolutely not. Are they reaching out adequately? No, absolutely not.

But I say it once more: if we had consistently put pro-life presidents in office. If we had consistently put them in office, then we would have different justices on the Supreme Court and we would have different results. No, not every justice is going to go in the right direction, but more would, and that would therefore have an impact.

So if you plan to vote for Hillary Clinton, tell me why. All right, but I want to hear from you in particular if you say you're a follower of Jesus. That would be my biggest point of interest.

Now, Here's what Rachel Held Evans has to say. She's becoming increasingly liberal, more and more left-wing evangelical, and perhaps even less evangelical. I've differed with her on a number of issues over the years, and we've invited her on the air a few times and never gotten a response or a positive response.

So she's written just today, so you're thinking of voting for a pro-choice candidate. She said, I'm pro-life, or put another way, I believe the sacred personhood of an individual begins before birth and continues throughout life. And I believe that sacred personhood is worth protecting, whether it's tucked inside a womb. Waiting on death row. Fleeing Syria in search of a home, or playing beneath the shadow of an American drone.

I've also voted for both pro-life and pro-choice candidates for political office, including Barack Obama in 2012 and 2008, and George W. Bush in 2004 and 2000.

So, again, voting for Barack Obama, I couldn't have done that in 2012, 2008.

So, she said, I speak as someone who struggled with and, in some cases, regretted her decisions at the ballot box and who recognizes no single political party boasts a consistent pro-life ethic, just as no single political party embodies the teachings of Jesus or the values of his kingdom. I respect that. I absolutely respect that and I agree with her. that we cannot put All of our hopes, aspirations, expectations into a political party. We can't do it.

We dare not do it. It's a big mistake if we do it, for sure. And she says, by focusing exclusively on the legal components of abortion, while simultaneously opposing family-friendly social policies, she's making reference to Democratic policies, the Republican Party has managed to hold pro-life voters hostage for the promise of outlawing abortion, which has yet to happen under any Republican administration since Roe v. Wade, while actively working against the very policies that would lead to a significant reduction in unwanted pregnancies. These are fair points.

These are fair points that need to be discussed, but I would say this if we all joined together. and voted. For those that focused on life beginning in the womb, I'm quite sure. I'm quite sure. That that the the so-called Policies that would help babies outside the womb, that we could get Republicans and conservatives to embrace those as well.

But I don't believe we get the majority of Democrats to embrace the pro life policy.

So significant differences. And look, right now with the candidates, it's not even a matter of who's winning, it's a matter of who's self destructing less. That's where things are at. A lot more to talk about. Continue listening.

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Thank you so much for joining us on the line of fire, 866-3487. Eight, eight, four. My hope. is not in a political party. My hope is not in a presidential candidate.

If we put as much time and effort and energy. into seeking God for revival. Educating the church on what revival is. calling for a gospel-based moral and cultural revolution. calling for God's people to live different lives.

Calling for us to be the salt of the earth and the light of the world. If we put as much emphasis on that. As we do on the political campaigns, and here, I'll raise my hand on that. I'll say, count me in on someone that could make that change. I believe America would be shaken.

But I mean this is the cycle. If not every four years, certainly every eight years, but normally every four years. We spend a good year. I mean, wouldn't you say 20 to 25 percent of of of our overall time as Americans that we spend getting all worked up over who's going to be the next President? And back and forth, and the billions of dollars spent for ads.

And if you're going to advertise more, and I'm running against you, and I've got to advertise more, and then it gets more and more vicious, and so on and so forth, and things get more and more intense. And what do we end up with? What do we end up with? I'm not saying that we disengage. I'm not saying that.

I'm saying heart. emphasis, attention, energy, focus. Look at it like this. Let's say you were a professional baseball team. And 25% of your time You spent campaigning for Uh I did Playing in one stadium versus another stadium.

As opposed to being the best baseball team you could be, what would happen? What would happen if that was the case? You'd end up losing a whole lot of games that you could win because you're not at your very best. I want to say this. regardless of who our next president is.

Obviously, the overwhelming likelihood of Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump barring some absolutely bizarre thing, some tragic thing happening to either one of them, or some other candidate emerging out of the dark. and rising up Uh Barring that whoever is in is our next president, you better believe we've got to be praying hard. We've got to be praying hard. And if it had been for me a more ideal candidate, a consistent Christian conservative for years, we still would be praying hard because that person can only go so far in terms of what they can do.

So fine, they get in place. Let's look at it as you get a great new pitcher on your baseball team. That pitcher could take you from not quite making it into the playoffs to being a World Series contender. But unless the rest of the team is playing well, you're not going anywhere. You're not going anywhere.

And in this particular case, if Hillary Clinton's elected, Yeah, it could be awakening time for the church, but awakening time because things will get really dark morally and culturally in other ways. It could be a disaster in many, many ways. And therefore, we'd have to absolutely be waking up and praying and crying out to God and say, okay, we're going to have a gospel-based moral and cultural revolution. Donald Trump is elected. There are so many wildcard factors and so many major concerns.

You better believe we better be praying. Either way, the emphasis comes back to the church has to be the church. We come back. I want to talk about that in terms of some fascinating conversations I had with key leaders in Korea about the church in Korea being the church and some of the parallel failures there that they are seeing. We will be right back.

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Thank you so much for joining us on the line of fire. This is Michael Brown. Got in from Korea about 11:30 last night. And then had to make an unexpected trip. Nancy and I taken my almost 94-year-old mom over to the emergency room.

Some discomfort, but it turns out everything is just fine.

So instead of going to sleep, oh, at maybe like 1:30 in the morning, which would have been 2:30 in the afternoon Korea time, instead turned in about 7 in the morning.

So had a fun little, a fun little Unexpected night out with Nancy and my dear mom, but all is well, thankfully. All is well, and I'm great. Korea time, it's 3:30 in the morning, but I'm doing well, pumped strong, and thrilled to be on the air with you. 866-348-7-884. I want to talk to you about some interesting insights spiritually from Korea in a moment.

But funny, funny story with my mom.

Okay, she was in discomfort. As I said, it turns out everything's fine, just some very minor issues. But they wanted to give her some relief from pain. And The doctor sends a nurse and they're going to give her a little morphine. Give my mom a little morphine.

Well I think of morphine, pain's not that bad. But anyway, they're going to give her a little morphine. And she's, you know, she's very frail. I don't know, probably weighs a little over 90 pounds, something like that.

So my mom's just telling my mom, excuse me, Nancy, my wife's just telling the nurse, hey, you just make sure you go easy on this. She's not a lot of person there, you know.

So, you know, they water it down a little bit, whatever saline solution they put in. And pretty quickly, pain dissipates and stuff and she's just kind of Half in and out of sleep on the bed there, and Nancy and I sitting in chairs talking to her. She's resting and then wakes up a little bit.

So we say, How do you feel? It has the pain, she goes, Oh, the pain's gone, pain's gone. And I said, Yeah, mom, I said, That's why people are drug addicts, you know, because she, you know, she knows my story from shooting heroin when I was a teenager before God saved me. And of course, the deep trauma that I put my parents through in my drug days.

So so She says she says, But I don't feel like good. I don't feel like really good. If this is morphine, if this is supposed to be some kind of high, I'm not really experiencing a high, so we just don't hear it. It's so funny. It's like four in the morning there in the or 3:30 in the morning there in the hospital.

She's still got that little sense of humor. She goes, I don't feel like good.

So, my dear mom, okay.

So I'm in Korea. And a woman and her daughter approached me. And they are heavily involved. The Mother is with an international prayer network as well as working with key government leaders, key government leaders in Korea to stand for moral and cultural issues. And Could I meet?

Do I have any window to meet with key government leaders while there? Can't say who, but can I meet with certain leaders just to discuss? perspective from America and interact with them there in Korea.

So ended up having that meeting Saturday early evening and then met with a leading professor similarly involved on the front lines. That was Monday morning before flying home.

So there was also a very, very influential national pastor there, a gentleman that I did not know before this, but very, very influential. I mean tens of thousands of passengers looking to him in Korea. And he said, What I particularly want to know is what the church did wrong in America. How did you get to this point? In America, where gay activism has had such an impact, such an influence.

So I began to go through the perfect storm here in America. And let me list some of the elements again for you here. It doesn't mean that we're to hate anyone. It doesn't mean that we oppose individuals. It means that we don't want to redefine marriage.

It means we believe kids should have a mom and dad. It means that we believe there's certain things that are not to be celebrated. that these are rather human weaknesses that God helps us to deal with and overcome, as opposed to ideals or wonderful things to celebrate. Means love for every individual and preaching the gospel to every individual, but it means not turning the world upside down to accommodate the desires and attractions and perceived needs of a tiny percentage of the population.

Okay. So I explained a bunch of things. in the aftermath of the counterculture revolution.

So, in the 1960s, of course, we have the sexual revolution and the rise of radical feminism and lots of other things, some positive things like the civil rights movement, but overall, a very negative time in terms of generation gap, in terms of immorality, in terms of attack on the family. What was the church doing during this point? Many evangelicals were thinking we're out of here any minute. These are the signs of the times. Everything's falling into place.

Jesus is coming any minute. Israel's back in the land. Jerusalem is back in Jewish hands. Surely, this must be the end of the world. It wasn't the end of the world.

But while others, gay activists, for them, this was a matter of liberty and equality and justice, they were not planning on going anywhere. Their plan was: things are going to change, and things are going to change for the next generation. And others, the radical feminists, the pro-abortionists, whatever different elements there were in society, fighting for what they felt was best, they weren't thinking we're out of here any minute, they're thinking in a multi-generational way. Whereas much of the church was not thinking in a multi-generational way. Listen, it is true that we are not ultimate citizens of this planet.

We are citizens in heaven. That's where our ultimate citizenship is. We are exiles here on earth, and therefore, whatever country we're exiled in, the Jeremiah 29 principle, we pray for the well-being of that country, and as it does well, we do well. And this is where we live. Do you have a job?

Or if not, are you seeking a job? Yeah, what? Because you've got to pay the bills. Are you learning to read and write, get an education? Why?

Well, because you live in this world, you want to be literate. Are you planning on getting married or having a family or a career? Why?

Because we live in this world.

So, we need to think in a multi-generational way. And in many ways, the church in America failed to do that, or much of the church, in the 60s and early 70s. And to this day, In many cases, it is still not thinking in a multi-generational way. Big, big, massive mistake. That's one issue.

Another issue is that we embraced an increasingly soft gospel message, an increasingly nonconfrontational gospel message, a message that increasingly said that increasingly said Uh The gospel is about making you feel better. The gospel is about you having a better, happy life. The gospel is about empowering you to be a bigger and better you, as opposed to the gospel is about you getting right with God so your sins can be forgiven, so you can now live for God and please Him. And in doing so, You discover the real destiny and purpose and meaning of your life. But please show me anywhere in the New Testament.

Show me anywhere in the New Testament this message that says, follow Jesus and fulfill your destiny. You say, well, that's what it means. If you save your life, you lose it. If you lose it, you find it. Ah, well, that's not how the New Testament puts it in terms of discover your destiny.

It's lose your life for the gospel and then you really find it. I live with a sense of destiny and purpose day and night. I live with a sense of my life can make a difference day and night. I wake up with it in the morning once my head is clear, you know, I have to get the cobwebs out, and I go to sleep with it at night. And I carry it all the time, and there's an excitement every day of my life with a sense of purpose and destiny.

And God made me for this very hour, and I love the calling. I love what He's asked me to do. Yes, yes, yes, of course. Of course.

However, However, Following Jesus is not the path to personal success. Following Jesus may be the path to persecution and rejection and martyrdom and hatred in this world and losing your life in this world to preserve it forever. That may be how you find your life by finding it in the world to come, even literally losing it in this world for the gospel. Yeah. Yeah, and I've written about it in the past, referring to it as the gospel of martyrdom.

versus the gospel of St. Success. Having said all that, having said all that, I explained that with more and more churches embracing a prosperity, what's in it for me? Gospel. That also meant that less and less were willing to confront sin.

Now that this happens, Now that this happens in America, if we're not confronting sin in general, How are we now going to deal with this activist issue, which is very uncomfortable and very controversial, and very difficult? Therefore, something you don't even want to Touch? Another issue. The scandals of the church. with rampant no-fault divorce in the church.

with high levels of pornography use in the church. With sex scandal and money scandals, with so many leaders across America.

So, perceived hypocrisy. We've lost our moral authority in so many ways. We've lost that prophetic authority or prophetic zeal, as Dr. King spoke of. And because of that, we have very little moral authority, very little, as people would say, street cred.

And we're not known enough for our good works on the streets. And thank God for all the churches that are doing much good. And we continue to lead the way in terms of doing good for the hurting and the poor. If you want to know the group that's doing that more than any, helping the addicts and the needy, it's the church. And yet still the scandals have been much louder.

They have been much louder than our moral voice. What about the Korean side? What's happened there? I'll tell you when we are back. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr.

Michael Brown.

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Okay. I spent the last segment talking about some of the perfect storm in America in terms of the church and how we got where we are with LGBT activism.

Now what's interesting, you have these quote Christian voices slamming me because I'm quote soft on the issues. Because I'm not rejoicing when there's a massacre in a gay bar, because I'm speaking out against some of these things, because I'm speaking out against the vigilante mentality that wants to take things in their own hands, even in violent ways, or that would be advocating for the government to have a death penalty for homosexual practice and things like that. Or because I interview a conservative activist who's openly gay on the radio. Listen, we interview all kinds of folks. Doesn't mean that we agree with lifestyle choices.

It doesn't mean that we agree with ideologies or philosophies or other things. We've had plenty of guests on where they know, coming on, we're in blatant disagreement, but we're going to have a conversation about areas of commonality. I could discuss it with a Muslim or a rabbi.

So it all depends on the purpose of the interview. That is so okay, activists probably look at me, oh, yeah, Dr. Michael Brown, the infamous hater, the man worse than Hitler, the one of the worst homophobes and transphobes in the world, is soft. You know, they they they just look at that with Yeah, right. Listen, I'm not trying to prove anything to anybody.

I'm not trying to impress a human being. I'm not trying to prove anything to the gay side, the Christian side. I'm trying to honor the Lord and speak the truth in love. And trust me, the flood of hatred comes in 24-7, and it's a badge of honor that I wear because it's for the gospel.

So there are other factors in the society that got us where we are. Obviously, the media's overwhelmingly pro-LGBT mentality has pushed things heavily here in America, very heavily. That alone, without a strong, healthy church, vibrant, standing strong, that alone would turn the tide. And then, of course, the big businesses that have gotten behind this is a new civil rights cause. And then, of course, the political.

a machine that embraces this in particular on the Democratic side. And on and on. We don't understand this. And then, just more and more people knowing those who are gay and lesbian, hey, they're nice people. Why shouldn't they be able to marry and have kids?

And if they can't have kids in the natural way, then through adoption or other means, why can't?

So I understand all these factors. But in Korea, they wanted to talk to me in particular about what the church did wrong.

So here's what's interesting: in Korea, you have the same thing that the secular media. is very strongly dominated. by liberals. And perhaps not as overwhelmingly here as America, but the influence of American Hollywood comes in. the influence of America as hey, America is the lead nation.

And look at what America is doing.

So, if America's doing it, you got to pattern yourself after that, which means gay activists. But even within the Korean media. Just increasingly hostile attitude towards church, increasingly pro-LGBT environment.

So you have that. You have the same thing on the university campuses, although. Not as much in America, where it's even more aggressive. But remember, Koreans are, as I said earlier in the show, are among the hardest working people in the world. I was talking to a pastor of a Methodist church that hosted meetings that were held Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

And he wanted me to know that for 40 days leading up to this event that we had, that they had a thousand people every morning from praying beginning at 4.45, so probably an hour to longer prayer meeting. A thousand people every morning. And these are people, virtually every one of them, is going to go from there to a job.

Okay? I mean hard working people, so they'll just get a few hours of sleep. They'll be working through the night, just busy with family and other things.

So 4.45 in the morning, 1,000 people. And he said that they had healings of cancer, they had healings of Alzheimer's, amazing things that took place as they were praying. All right, so. On the one hand. On the one hand, you have this Oh.

This hard-working push thrust, but But These Koreans now, many of them are coming over to the States. If they don't live here, they're coming over, they're going to these schools with these radical leftist ideas and then coming back to Korea with them. But not only this, the rank and file, but many of the pastors and leaders, that's what they have done as well. They have come over to the States, they have learned our success gospel, and they have also studied in some of the liberal seminaries. And they have gone back and for different reasons, some similar reasons and some different reasons, they too are not confronting sin.

So aggressively. And especially some of the more prosperous, larger churches, like many of our mega churches in America, they don't seem as willing to confront issues.

Now, thankfully, when they do, like, say in the city of Houston, when my friend Pastor Steve Riegel and then Pastor Ed Young, two of the most significant congregations in America, they stood up for social justice, they stood up for what was right in the society. What happened? the tide turned in the city of Houston. And of course, they had a coalition of hundreds and churches and hundreds of thousands of Christians, but that turned the tide in the city. And I'm speaking at one of the most significant megachurches in America, in the world.

Let's see, we're in August now, just get my dates right.

So later next month, later September, and Wednesday night service about moral and cultural issues and equipping the church.

So thankfully there are those that are standing up, but so many are not.

So many are not. And that's what this major pastor is telling me in Korea: that they have been soft on sin. In general, so now they're not willing to address the controversial issues.

So, from a different angle and in a different culture, you're having the same perfect storm. You're having the same person. Perfect storm, yes. Exactly. Exactly the case.

So Korea is at a tipping point. The good news is that people are waking up and recognizing we have to stand in, and they're looking at this holistically. spiritually and culturally. But it's at a tipping point. And it's just shameful to be an American and say learn from our mistakes.

I wish I could say learn from our successes. In many ways, we've been able to say that for decades around the world, in so many ways, and yet, so many other ways have to say. Learn from our Mistakes. All right, friends, I want to encourage you. If you do not receive my emails.

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Well, it is a joy to be back in my home studio, getting back from Korea. 20 plus hours travel, getting in about 11:30 last night. And just as Nancy and I were just about to kind of relax on the wine, catching up for quite a while on my trip and what's been going on at home. And oh, one something in the morning, going to go to sleep. Got a call from my dear mom.

This is about 10 minutes away. She was not feeling well. We had to get her checked out. Bring her over to the hospital. Turns out all is well.

But instead of going to sleep, one something is about seven in the morning.

So right now it is four in the morning Korea time, but I'm pumped blessed. All is well. Michael Brown, your voice of moral sanity and spiritual clarity.

So glad to be with you. I do hope you enjoyed the Korea broadcast as we updated you every day from Korea, as we did some broadcasts completely from Korea and others mixed in with interviews I had recorded right before leaving. 866-34-TRUTH. A bunch of things I want to discuss with you. Donald Trump Donald Trump has called Hillary Clinton the devil.

She's the devil. And President Obama has said Donald Trump is unfit for the presidency. The rhetoric is heightening, and we are still a few months out. And this is still up for grabs. You know what the current campaign feels like to me?

Have you ever watched a game, have you ever watched a sports event? And It's a matter not of which team is going to win, but which team is not going to lose. Have you ever seen something like that? Where it's You keep fumbling away the lead. That's what's happening right now.

You say, well, how is Hillary Clinton doing that? Hillary Clinton is doing that because he has a tremendous amount of baggage. Because there are so many things against her that should completely disqualify her, that if she were another candidate, she would have been out of the picture a long time ago, be it the scandal with Benghazi, be it the scandal with the emails, be it questionable policy decisions in the past. Be it the degree that she's here. Let's just take LGBT issues.

She's now the champion of these issues. She wasn't the champion that long ago. And then the radicality on the other side of things, the radicality for pro-abortion positions. There's so many things that should disqualify. My expectation is there's going to be a lot more that's released in terms of other emails or things like this that could.

really sink her ship. If you had a candidate that was just kind of going steadily along and avoiding controversy on the other side, the challenge is that Donald Trump's candidacy is so absolutely volatile. That Rather than act in a presidential way, I'm not saying this to oppose Donald Trump. I am opposing Hillary Clinton. I pray for her, but I am opposing her because of what she stands for and the direction it would mean for America.

And as I said in the last hour, I mean, just come from Korea. I'm talking to international leaders. I spoke to leaders representing several countries on the trip. They were talking about the pressure those countries are under from America. to buy into America's views on LGBT values, which are going to mean absolute discrimination against Christian views in these different nations and opposing the views in some cases of the vast majority of the population.

of these countries. And the Hillary Clinton presidency would mean an increase in that. Not to mention eradical pro-abortion policies and other issues that would concern me.

However, I I keep hoping that candidate Trump will step higher. and act presidentially, and that continues to not happen, which reminds me of the wildcard nature if he was elected, what that could mean. In other words, is he going to act presidential if he was the president when he's not acting presidential as the candidate?

So what's gonna happen? God knows, but I'll repeat what I said at the end of the last hour. The direction of the nation will be determined by the direction of the church. We'll be right back. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr.

Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

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866-34TRUTH. Let me speak to everyone listening to me. And our great stations in Charlotte on the Truth Network, 960 AM, 105.7 FM. If you live in Greater Charlotte and everyone listening in North Carolina and the nation of America. I want you to hear this.

Charlotte Mecklenburg Schools Have pushed through a policy, announced it after school let out, and will now institute it with the new semester starting. which says that quote Reading from the Charlotte Observer. From last month, and it goes into effect now, 1st of August, 2nd of August. Charlotte Mecklenburg schools, transgender students can choose identity and bathroom.

So they say they're following a federal court ruling. They're not in defiance of North Carolina's House Bill 2. But here just highlights Charlotte Observer, which is very favorable on this. Students choose their own name and gender. And Superintendent Ann Clark says this is about courage, understanding, and compassion.

It effectively renders all the bathrooms and locker rooms in Charlotte Mecklenburg County gender neutral. That's what it effectively does. K through 12, it effectively renders all bathrooms and locker rooms. gender Neutral. If Joey comes into school, and says I am now Jane and Joey and I want to be referred to as they.

Then that's how you'd have to refer to Jane/slash Joey or Joey slash Jane. And if. If Joey/slash Jane said, I want to be referred to as Faye. Then fe or d whatever the pronoun of choice is. Just looking at one website, was looking at it while in Korea actually.

One article that was laying out basically sixty different pronoun. 60 different pronoun changes. Yeah, so How do you even pronounce them?

Well, that's what you have to learn. And if you don't comply, What's already happened to faculty in one school out west, was it in Seattle area, where a woman who identifies as a man but prefers to be referred to as they, or a man who identifies as a woman, whatever the case may be, but wants to be referred to as they.

So if you're referring to this person, you wouldn't say, well, he said or she said. No, that's not enough, that's the gender that they tell you, but this person wants to be referred to as they, while other faculty wouldn't do it.

Well, they were fined $60,000. This person received $60,000. I don't know if it's been paid yet. That was the fine. Mm-hmm.

So I want to urge, I want to urge every Parent. Every Parent. with a kid in the public schools, this is public schools, in Mecklenburg County, I want to urge every parent to call your school Speak to the principal, whatever administrator. Tell them you are not happy with this. and tell them If what that you are going to work against it however you possibly can.

And If they will not change the policy. Again, this has to be your words, your conscience, not mine. But this is what I'm urging you to do. Tell them you're going to do your best to pull your kids out. This is this is an assault on privacy and decency and common sense.

And y you you here. Leave our children out of the culture wars. Please leave our children. Out of the culture wars. This is not the place for social experiments.

All right, this is not the place where you just say, Well, let's run this up the flagpole and see what happens. And again, what are we talking about? Maybe one out of a thousand, two out of a thousand kids who are struggling in these particular ways. And if the numbers are higher, it's not because this is some genetic thing that's now being discovered, it's because of the confusion of the culture that more and more are struggling with this. Listen, we got a call some weeks ago from a worker with New York City Transit, and he said they have tens of thousands of employees that are being specially trained.

They're being specially trained as to As to what pronouns to use, he said they're taking us away from work because if someone is going to transition, we need to know.

So here's an article, June 26, New York Post: City workers being trained on correct transgender pronouns. Firefighters and medics will take their first trans 101 course on Tuesday, learning the correct way to interact with transgender people, even getting a lesson in what LGBTQI actually stands for. Certainly, of course, you want all, yeah, a little sarcasm here. You want all transit workers to take time off from other things they're doing to make sure they understand that there are going to be special pronouns and things to use for the one person out of a thousand or ten thousand actually transition. Employees of City Pools employees of city pools.

Have also begun training in time for Wednesday's opening of the summer swim session, where gender sensitivity issues are more likely to arise in locker rooms and bathrooms, and have arisen. and have arisen. And and parents have complained, but to no avail. To no avail. Women who are saying, why is there a man in our changing room?

Well, because he identifies as a woman. Why does my daughter have to be subjected?

Well, because the person identifies as a woman. And how do we keep the heterosexual predator out? No answer for that, never an answer for that. Mm-hmm.

Friends. I wrote an article that came out yesterday. In fact, I finished it on the plane and sent it out. And it's about some new trends. You say, well come on, man, why are you bringing this up?

Well, I'm bringing it up because I get back from Korea and in Korea there are major government leaders that want to sit with me and discuss these issues because what they're facing because of what's coming their way in Korea.

Okay, then I run into a colleague from Singapore, providential. I was in a place I wasn't supposed to be. I should have been in another part of the hotel. He was in a place he shouldn't have been. He should have been in his room already.

They got delayed checking in. The room wasn't ready. Friends arrived late, so a place we were going to meet was closed. I ended up sitting in a place I wouldn't have been in, in the lobby otherwise. And here we are sitting next to each other, a key leader from Singapore.

And we begin to talk about what? He wants to bring out to me what's happening in Singapore and Asia with gay activist issues that they're facing. I didn't bring up what happened in Charlotte and Meckenberg County. It happened. It happened in the schools.

Friends, these are kids. These are kids. You say, Don't I care about the trans kid? Yes, but you don't turn the world upside down for that kid, nor do you descend into the world of non-reality. If you're a human being, you're not they.

If you have multiple personality disorder, so-called, I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, to know the truth or untruth of that diagnosis. But if if you have what's called multiple multiple personality disorder, that's a disorder. I'm not going to say, oh, how are you doing, Sam? I'm not Sam, I'm Jill. Oh, okay, Jill, how you doing?

I'm not Jill. I'm I'm Jane.

Well, Jane, what's going on? I'm not Jane, I'm Sam. I'm not belittling that. A friend of mine, a colleague, his wife suffered from that for years, and he explained to me what they were dealing with, and it was unfathomable to me. And I'll be living it.

I'm saying it is a disorder. You do not turn the world upside down for a disorder.

So what's the latest? I wrote this article on the plane and it went live yesterday, Monday. The latest in trans sanity, more male mothers and the end of the male body. Yes.

So there is an article from England. That under the financial support of the National Health Service. Dozens of transgender men are having their eggs frozen at the NHS clinics. Eggs are so when you say transgender men have eggs, in other words, a woman. who now identifies as a man.

But she still has her eggs and still has her her f uh female Uh body parts there. And internal Related organs.

So dozens of quote transgender men or having their eggs frozen. Eggs are frozen before surgery or hormone therapy to switch sex. Treatment means that a British trans man could soon become a parent? Yeah. In rare circumstances, a man could become pregnant and give birth.

No, no, a man could never become pregnant and give birth. A man could never become pregnant and give birth.

However However, A man who identifies as a woman could become pregnant and give birth. Daily Mail in England reports that critics said cash strapped health authorities should not be spending up to £34,000 per patient to help them change sex and have children when they are rationing basic services such as cataract operations, hip replacement, and even hearing aids. Tory MP Peter Bowen said, I'm not sure why the taxpayers should be funding this. I just sometimes ask if the NHS is getting its priorities right. I said that's quite an understatement.

There's no money for hearing aids and hip replacement surgeries, but there's money to help a woman try to become a man and then have a child as a, quote, male mother. And what do you what do you tell the kid? What do you tell the kid? Oh, sorry. Yeah, I'm your mommy, but I'm actually your daddy.

You call me daddy. I'm bearded man, but I'm actually your mommy. I conceived you and carried you in my womb. How's that work? How's that in the best interest of the kid?

God of light, hear our cry, send the fire. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Thanks so much for joining us on the line of fire, 866-34Truth.

So while I was in Korea, While I was in Korea, One other issue that came up, and I just sent a relevant link a moment ago that reminded me: the UN. The UN continues to aggressively aggressively push for LGBT activist causes. And the UN has officially declassified transgenderism as any type of a oh they may they may finally declassify transgender as a mental illness obviously the DMS the diagnostic DSM excuse me diagnostic and statistical manual the American Psychiatric Association which is kind of the bible of psychiatry and psychology in terms of what is and is not a disorder and how it's how it is classified they have declassified transgenderism as a disorder now it's gender dysphoria which is not that it's a problem to think you're a man in a woman's body it's a problem if you're uncomfortable with that so they're going to deal with the discomfort not with the non-reality of it That being said, That being The issue that we face is how do you deal with the tide turning in different nations or the pressure from America to turn the tide. And the answer is the church stands for what is right. The answer is the church makes a difference.

The answer is the church stands for the cause of the gospel and starts living like the church. When I check into a hotel, Sometimes it's not self-evident where the light switches are. In other words, some you have, say in Korea, a couple of the rooms, there's one button to press that turned on all the lights in the room. And then other buttons for individual lights, or you just would go to those individual lights if you wanted them on or off. And then I'll come into a room in the States.

Okay, here's this is just the little. Entryway, the come in, there only's you know, bathroom right off to the side, or it's a smaller room, could you know the way it's configured, whatever. But Okay, trying to figure out where lights are and The room may be dark. I may be checking in at night, and the room is dark. What's the problem?

What's darkness? It's darker. Why is it dark? I don't call the front desk, you know, put my flashlight on my cell phone and find the phone and call the front desk. Why is Ryan Room dark?

Something's the matter. No, no, it's night time. and there are no lights on. Therefore it's only natural that the room is dark. What then is the issue?

The issue is find the light and turn on the light.

Okay, now we go one step further. I want to turn on the light next to the bed. All right, the nightstand light. I turn it on, it doesn't go on. What's the problem?

The light bulb is out. Doesn't happen a lot. That happens sometimes. What do you do? Call the front desk and say, hey, got a light bulb out here.

and they send somebody up with a light bulb and replace it. You fix the light. The way you deal with the darkness is you fix the light. not complain about the darkness, not flail at the darkness, but fix the light.

So yes, when you turn the light on, the light exposes the darkness.

So that is always one of the roles of the light is you expose the darkness and then when you turn the light on you can see what's really going on. Maybe the room seemed fairly neat before. But when you turn the light on, suddenly the room is not so neat and clean. It's like, yikes, there are crumbs on the floor. I didn't see that.

Yikes, this is bad. That's bad. Why?

Because you turn the light on.

So the light will expose the darkness. It's part of the prophetic role of the church. But what's the biggest issue first? Not the darkness, but the lack of light. That's why I've said for years now, my greatest concern is not so much the presence of darkness, it's the absence of light.

And when David and Jason Benham do talks, often David will kick it off, and then Jason will join in. I mean, they do this great tandem stuff. Often that's one of David's opening lines, taking it from my lips with my blessing. That he's concerned more about the absence of darkness, the absence of light than he is the presence of darkness.

So what am I saying? We have to fix the light, which is Get the church shining brightly. Doesn't Paul say in Philippians the second chapter that that's how we have to live? Didn't he say that we need to shine? Yes, Jesus said, You're the light of the world in Matthew 5, and then it's repeated in John the 8th chapter.

As long as he's in the world, he's the light of the world, and then we as his disciples carry out his mission. We are the light of the world. But just check this out: Philippians, the second chapter. Listen to how he counsels them to live as believers. And notice how he characterizes the generation they live in, because it is the same for any generation since the fall.

He says, Therefore, after saying that we have the mind that was the same mind that was in Messiah Jesus, humbling himself, going to death on the cross, and then being highly exalted, and saying that ultimately every knee will bow to him, every tongue confess that Jesus the Messiah is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Therefore, verse 12, my beloved, is you have always obeyed.

So now not only is in my presence, but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear. And trembling. For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure. Do all things without grumbling or disputing. that you may be blameless and innocent.

Children of God, without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world. Holding fast to the word of life, so that in the day of Christ I may be proud that I did not run or labor in vain.

So look at this picture. Paul's painting this picture almost 2,000 years ago. You live in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation. We live in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation. That's the same from generation to generation.

Some more extreme than others, but every generation since the fall has been crooked and twisted. crooked and perverted as a whole, the generation. How are we to live? We would do all things without grumbling or disputing. that we may be blameless and innocent children of God.

without blemish.

So how are we supposed to live? Blameless, innocent? Children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world. Lights in the world. If by God's grace we could live as children of light.

if every day you wake up Look at this as an opportunity. Look at this as a divine invitation. You wake up every morning. And you say. You say.

Mm-hmm.

How can I shine today, Lord? How can I shine? You're a mom at home, homeschooling your kids. You are a Elderly In bed? You are The college campus?

You're working two jobs. you're a street preacher, whoever you are. Laurie. How can I shine today? How can I be light?

That's what Paul writes in Ephesians 5. Be like. We were darkness.

Now be light in the Lord. Shine like lights. You want to fix the darkness, fix The light. If we concentrate on that, friends, we'll see change come around us. We come back, I want to talk to my friend and colleague James Robeson and ask him.

James Robinson, I was mispronounced that. If he could speak into the ear of Donald Trump.

Well we can tell it. We'll be right back. It's the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian Dr. Michael Brown.

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I can say this, if I was president, because his son died 12 years ago, if I were president, his son wouldn't have died because I wouldn't have been in the war. Those are the words of Republican candidate Donald Trump. This is Michael Brown, fresh back from Korea. Got in last night, if you haven't heard, 11:30 in the evening and was getting settled in after catching up with Nancy to turn in and relax.

So, once something in the morning, when we had to take our mom over to the emergency room, everything turns out that it's absolutely fine. In fact, it was good that we got more info. But ended up going to sleep about 7 in the morning, fresh back from Korea, but delighted to be on the air with you, blessed and thriving in the Lord. And, friends, as I was overseas. As I've mentioned the last hour and a half, Hearing about American influence on the world, as I was in Korea meeting with key government leaders in Korea, unexpected meetings that I had, and talking with some who are actively involved with leaders from other nations.

They're watching the presidential elections, but they have been under tremendous pressure from America, African nations, others in Asia. They've been under tremendous pressure to embrace LGBT activism if they want American trade, if they want American financial support, etc. And obviously, that would only increase with the Hillary Clinton presidency. It would certainly not happen barring something unexpected with the Donald Trump presidency. And yet, there are many things happening with the Trump presidency that continue to raise concerns.

If he were elected, what would it mean? This and that.

Well, thankfully, my guest James Robinson has had input, has been able to speak into the ear of Donald Trump, speak into the ear of others in the Trump family. And he's had that ability since the Ronald Reagan days to speak into the ears of many political leaders, George H.W. Bush.

So I want to ask my dear colleague, if he had the opportunity right now to be speaking into the ear of Donald Trump, what would he be telling him? James, welcome back to the line of fire. Always a delight to talk with you.

Well it is. Yeah. Welcome back and pray for you about all your concerns and join you with the concerns you rightly have for our nation and for freedom. Yes, we've got just two minutes before this first break, but let me just ask you this. You have had influence with political leaders in America and other nations.

Can you just tell our listeners how influential America is on the world scene? Because living here, I don't think people can realize the clout America has worldwide. But we're still the greatest expression of the powerful effect and the blessing freedom offers. And that's not to be interpreted by license, but with the standards as our boundaries. not at walls of They become a prison because there's no gate, no bridge in and out.

But we have standards that are not to be torn down. And if we understand history and biblical truth. And we understand that the truth of God, the word of God, nature's law, nature's God, as our parents understood it, when those When those boundaries and those standards are in place and when they are recognized as important and valuable. Uh and and consequences of violating them as significant as scientific violation of the law of gravity. And other laws, when you defy them, you are broken by that defiance.

You suffer the consequences. And right now, we are throwing down the standards, throwing down truths, tearing down the boundaries. Removing the hedge. and we are becoming infested with all manner of pestilence and Predatory. assault on marriages and families and morality and and wise thinking.

I mean, it's just terrible what's happening.

So when this collapses, I hear from people all over the world because our television program airs worldwide and they are praying for America and for the freedom that we have displayed that has blessed us and enabled us to bless others. They're concerned that it's not only eroding, but it's about to collapse. And then freedom is Really under assault worldwide, and they feel like that. their opportunity to see freedom's blessings is vanishing. Yeah.

Well well said. By the way, James has two books tremendously relevant on this subject, one with Jay Richards, Indivisible. and the newest one the stream. And to get the latest cutting-edge Christian commentary and conservative commentary on what's happening in America, go to stream. You can read my most recent articles there as well.

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We can't let more people come in. You look at what happened with San Bernardino and all of the different Orlando, and then you go over to Nice, and you know what's just happened. We can't do this. There's something going on, and it's bad. It's really bad.

I think that's this country can't be in the same position as France. You look at what's going on in France, it's insane. And we don't want to be in the same position as France and Germany, which is now crime-ridden. You take a look at what's going on in Germany with all of the migrants that came in. And we can't do that, Sean.

We have to get back to rebuilding our country. That was Donald Trump speaking with Sean Hannity again about issues that are pressing issues here in America. I had a fabulous guest on Friday. Excuse me, yesterday Walter Heidenreich, we did the interview together in Korea. German leader, he was so thankful for America's role, helping liberate his country from the Nazis, pointing to America's world role, the importance of America's role, and then saying in Germany right now they have an unbelievable opportunity to reach Muslims they've never had before as they're flooding in from Syria and he's talking about thousands getting saved, saying we should have an attitude of faith, not fear, and yet we need wisdom, security.

What's the approach?

Well, again, my colleague James Robinson, by God's grace, has had an open door to speak to many of the candidates, presidential candidates and presidents, high-elected officials over the years.

So, James, obviously there are things you say in private that are to be left in private. But for our listening audience, if you were there as a Christian leader speaking wisdom to Donald Trump, that you can share publicly, what are you saying to him at this critical time in history? But when I talk to candidates, I always pray for them and with them. and I let them know that I love them and want the best for them. and the best for our nation.

And if they follow freedom's principles, And the basic standards upon which freedom stands and rests and is secured. then we have a future that is hopeful and purposeful and meaningful.

So I'm not only Pray with them for them. I speak principles to And I have had the privilege and opportunity of speaking to nearly all the candidates this year that would be considered at least on the more. conservative uh side for certain. And I've always just proclaimed truth. I'm an exhorter.

Well, with Donald Trump, I have I do have the opportunity to speak to him.

So no one needs to wonder, is James Robinson proclaiming the gospel? Is he proclaiming the truths of God unwaveringly, uncompromisingly, forcefully? And I can be extremely forceful, sometimes almost overbearingly so. And I know when to bear down. But I do it in love, with compassion.

And so I actually talked to Eric this morning as they were taking off. They were going down the runway. They were talking. His dad's sitting there with him said, Tell James hi. And he called me a week ago on my phone, and Donald Trump, and I was pretty forceful to tell him to get his tongue under control.

and quit being a reactionary. Learn to respond with wisdom and be slow. uh to speak and uh slow to wrath and so forth. And so I was actually going over some of that with Eric this morning when they took off. And Eric was saying, you know, we appreciate it so much.

Donald asked me last time we were talking on the phone. He said, you know, James, you speak, you speak very forthfully. And I thank you. I said, well, I hope you know I love you. You know, I love you.

He said, man, I really love you too, man. My whole family loves you to pieces. I'm glad you and Eric are close. He said, well, okay, here's what I sent Eric and Paul Manafort. Sent this for Mr.

Trump in the last week. Real important. This is the key to victory and success for your dad and all of us. Please read the first chapter. In the book of James, and ask Dad to please read it also.

James chapter 1. If your dad allows this truth to grip his heart and mind, he will win and change the course of history in the most positive way. Every verse is powerful, but underline and meditate on these verses: 5, 8, 12. 19, I put wow in brackets, 22 and 26.

So let me just take a couple of them because I've highlighted them here. If you lack wisdom, ask of God. That's verse 5, and God will grant it generously. And if you're double-minded, you're unstable, verse 8. And then in verse 12, blessed is the man who perseveres under trial.

Persevere and persevere in patience. And every good and perfect gift comes from above, seventeen. But now listen to this in nineteen. This you know, my beloved brethren. Let everyone be quick to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger.

And that's where I put the big wow. I think that's critical for all of us, certainly for any candidate. The candidates that have not responded in harmony with that great command from God have proved themselves to be very foolish. Verse 22, prove yourselves to be doers of the word and not merely hearers who delude themselves. And then the last one I said, meditate on.

If anyone thinks himself to be religious, but does not bridle his tongue. He deceives his own heart and this man's religion is worthless.

So you see, this is the download I did. Might have even said to Eric in my subsequent communication, I said this is not some man's advice. This is God speaking to all of us and speaking to your dad. And by the way, I sent that same thing to Paul Manifold. He came right back with me and said, You're absolutely right.

You're exactly right. Thank you so much.

Well, see, I'm able to speak to people that others might not be able to speak to. And I only do it for one reason. I want to redeem the time. I want to proclaim the transforming truth of God's love in power, but also in the power of love and compassion. And that's where I live.

I have lived there for 55 years in sharing Christ and proclaiming the gospel to people around the world. And yes, he's listed. Am I sowing faithfully? Good seed? Absolutely.

What kind of ground is it going into? The fact that I can continue to do it gives me hope that there's fertile ground there. There's great appreciation for it.

So Eric told me that again this morning. He said, such appreciation. Don't stop. Keep praying. Keep sharing.

Okay, I'm going to do that.

Now we have to pray for God to give the increase. It takes water and light. the water of the word, the light of God's presence and his power. And so I'm praying for it to bear fruit. We need it.

The nation needs to bear fruit. And we don't need a bunch of religious fruit, heaven's sake. Deliver us from that and move us into relationship with God and one another in the most beautiful way, like a family, which I know is what's in your heart. I know that's what's in your heart, Michael. Yeah, and I was in a meeting with you where you spoke very publicly, very graciously, in the most positive way to Senator Ted Cruz, urging him to emanate the compassion of the Lord and to be a bridge builder and things.

So again, on that level, you're not endorsing a candidate, but speaking as you have however for any of the candidates that would listen to you, speaking what you felt was most important for them.

So again, let me just push this a little further in terms of the nature of the soil that's there. In terms of my emotions, sometimes you watch a sports event, you don't know which team you're rooting for, and then when the game starts, you say, I guess I'm rooting for this team. That's where your emotions are. I'm rooting for Donald Trump. In other words, I want to be able to vote for him.

I want to be able to support him. I want to see him step into. A very powerful destiny. Obviously, it means a lot of divine upheaval in his life, but like you say, he's listening. He has nothing to gain from listening to you, because if he stops listening, you're not going to get up and start blasting him on your TV show or anything like that.

But each time he makes what seems to be a misstep to me, or he doesn't act presidentially. Or gets engaged in a gutter fight when he should be standing higher. I'm thinking, okay, boy, it seems the same old, same old. And I want, so I'm saying this as someone that's rooting for him to get it right, not rooting against him. I'm openly opposing Hillary Clinton as loudly as I can for many reasons.

But as you continue to speak, is it all a matter of faith that you're sowing seed and the door is still open? Or do you see signs, his communication with you or his family, any signs that say he's even getting it a little bit? Just being as honest as I can. Everyone in his family says he is. Paul says he is.

His closest friends do. And Ben Carson says it. And we talk several times a week. talked yesterday. He says, James, it is, and it's a heart change, and that shaping of the heart.

Here's what we need to do as Christians. When we don't see what we expect, we we just pray more fervently and faithfully. Because this is a work of God, not a work of man. This has to be a supernatural work. And if Mr.

Trump just came out and started talking religious language, like the rhetoric of the religious people, I think the nation would basically turn against him as being manipulative and not trustworthy when he said we're going to tear out all that needs to be torn out. And they've looked at a lot of Christians who've been president, who've been senators, who've been congressmen, who've been in leadership, and they didn't change anything that needed to be changed. They just continued to plow right along in the same old, same-old of political correctness and the establishment mentality, and nothing got better.

So, if it looks like we're going to, oh, here comes another religious person, because see, God's really not high on religion. He's very high on relationship because religion can be so damaging. You teach the traditions of men rather than the commands of God. You honor him with your lips, but your hearts are far from him. If you get his heart, and here's what I say to Donald Trump.

Let your wall talk. Let the changes talk. Don't get up and start talking religious. I mean, don't do that. It'll look like a ploy, it'll look like a political scheme.

Don't do it.

So I'm actually cautioning him not to appear. to be something that his life doesn't indicate. If we'll begin to see a soft answer, for instance, I'm saying to Ted Cruz, Ted, if you take up a fence, if you do not forgive, Jesus repeated the model of prayer, and you will not be forgiven. And you forgive 70 times 70, even if it's in one day. And then when you've been forgiven, if you do not forgive, you're turned over to tormentors.

You're not going to think straight. And so we're saying, Ted, Ted, lay this down. Mr. Trump, lay this down. We don't need this friction.

I said to Ted Cruz, you had something to offer. You ran. You say you have something to offer.

Well, don't wait four years to offer it. Offer all of the great things that you bring to the table today. Offer them to the American people today. Try to bring the American people together. Try to inspire the Trump family, all of us in this nation to do the things that need to be done and do them together.

That's my message to Ted Cruz. All right, tell you what, if you can hang on one more minute. What will you say to the church? What does the church in America need to hear right now? What do we need to hear?

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Thanks for joining us on the line of fire, 866-34Truth. Michael Brown, freshly back from Korea, and my guest, James Robinson. I mentioned earlier in the broadcast A conversation I had with a leading Korean pastor, very influential man there. He wanted to know what the church had done wrong in America that allowed us to be in the social moral crisis we're in today. And there are many parallels with the church in Korea from different angles, but parallels.

And I tweeted this out earlier, said it on the air. that in South Korea, in America, the direction of the nation will be determined by the direction of the church.

So speaking with James Robinson, to get the latest articles, key cutting-edge commentary on what's happening in the news today, go to stream.org, stream.org. Every week I'm writing an exclusive article just for the stream, and then my other latest articles are there as well. James, obviously the biggest issue beyond who's the next president, beyond which party is in the ascendancy, is the state of the church in America. And that is in our hands. We can only vote and pray for candidates, but how we behave as the church, that's in our hands.

So you've spoken key messages to the different candidates right up until this day. What would you say to the church if God was speaking through you as you understand it to the church? What do we most need to hear in America? We were left here on a divine assignment, and it's to adopt fully the kingdom agenda. It's to lose our life for his sake, the sake of the kingdom, his glory.

We have no effect on the kingdom to come. There's no enemy, no opposition. There is no pain. Former things have passed away. It is in this world, on divine assignment, that we have a kingdom impact and make a kingdom imprint on planet earth.

We are the stewards of the garden of God. It begins with our cultivated field of our own lives as temples of God. As the living stones built up together into a holy habitation, when we stand together with our unique, diverse giftings from God. But as an individual witness, we have been left here as ambassadors for Christ, as witnesses. Beginning right now with the last words of Jesus, you shall be witnesses unto me.

Start at home. You start being a witness in the kingdom of your own home, where you show the kings rule, and then in your community, and then in your city, and then in your state, and then in your nation, and then to the ends of the earth. We are to make the kingdom impact. We have not been left here to wait for the great heading out. We're not here for the great estate.

We are here to allow the one who frees us to live in us. When Paul was rejoicing in prison in Stocks, for preaching the gospel. He praised God.

Now, is that God's will for us to live in stocks in a prison, singing praises? And we say, well, we're like the Coptic Christians. We love God. They cut our heads off, but we're at peace. Sure.

But is that the will of God for us to all go have our heads cut off? No. It's for us to so magnify Christ, to so look after the garden of God, that we all become fruitful as witnesses and we bear great, beautiful fruit in promised land living. We have been left here on a divine assignment as ambassadors for Christ. We do not give planet Earth.

We do not give the garden He left for us to steward over to the powers of darkness and deception and defeat and destruction. We do not do it. Be a witness for Christ. In our witness, we pray for the will of God to be done. We yield to it.

Paul and Silas were praising God in prison. If God wanted them to stay in prison, why'd he blow the doors open on the prisoners? Why did the guard that was so terrified, about to kill himself, suddenly find the salvation that Paul and Silas shared with him? Then why did he walk down Main Street in front of everybody to his house to see his whole household become converted by the power of the gospel that Paul and Silas demonstrated in Acts and not just in word? And this is this man was no longer afraid.

He was going to kill himself because he felt like he'd be tortured to death for letting these prisoners out. And all of a sudden, he's born again. He's converted by the same power that transformed Saul of Tarsus into Paul the Apostle. This is what the gospel does. It makes ordinary, God-denying people into confessors of Christ who live for Jesus.

They don't just become part of a religious group or some kind of a spiritual club downtown. They become the living body of Christ, connected to one another, submitted for the benefit of the other, and all committed to the leadership of the head Jesus Christ.

Now, that's why we're here. And I have been after this for 55 years as a boy that never had a father. I've got Father God. I will not be silenced. I will not step back.

I will not sit down. I will not announce defeat to anybody but the devil and the powers of darkness. That's why we're on this earth, Michael. That is why he left us here. He didn't leave us here so we could have a caliphate, encourage things to get worse, watch them get worse, so then suddenly our Messiah comes.

That's hogwash, it's nonsense, it's anti-God, it's heretical. Excuse my zeal, but that's just the way it is. Yeah, we obviously pushed the right button there, dear brother. And amen to every word of that. I was explaining to Korean government leaders and this major pastor some of the perfect storm in terms of how we got where we got.

I went back to the 60s that we thought we're out of here any minute. The prophecies all falling into place, the world falling apart. We thought we're out of here. We had no long-term multi-generational vision. And those on the other side of all the issues had a great multi-generational vision.

And they're living theirs out.

Well, we're still thinking we're out of here any minute.

So a much-needed word. And look, the light is not afraid of the darkness. The darkness is afraid of the light.

So let's keep igniting these fires. Look forward to speaking with you, seeing you again soon. Thanks so much for your voice today. If you want to hear me preach like this every day at your leisure, you go and get stuck. Stream, the stream.

The book go on Amazon, get it, get it in your home, give it to neighbors, and you're going to find messages like the one I just delivered to you in every chapter. And most of the chapters are no more than four pages long, but I touch every nerve right now that's sensitive, every need that needs to be addressed, and the miraculous thing we can see God do together.

So, stream, go get the book, The Stream, on Amazon, or go to your bookstores and get it. I'm telling you, for five years, I poured my heart out just like this and put it in print. And I'm telling you, my heart burns with passion for what God wants to do and love for all the people that are listening to us right now. Thank you, Michael. I love you deeply.

You are, you are very welcome. And as I have the book, I endorse the book. It is a life-giving book, friends.

So, stream by James Robinson. God bless. Look forward to talking to you again. God willing next week. Thanks, Michael.

God bless you. All right.

Well, uh that is a joy to hear from my brother and The fire burns in him. Let that fire burn in each of us. Here, here. I'm looking you in the eye. You ever take your child and you hold them and look them right in the eye, or a friend or a colleague, and you just wanted to get, maybe you're a coach, you got a player on the field, or maybe a family member, they're about to embark on a different, different challenging journey, and you just take them and look them right in the eyes.

Look right in the eyes. I'm looking right in your eyes.

Okay, look right in mine. Let. Your Light. Shine. Let Your Shine.

I'm not on video right now, but I'm looking straight into our camera in my studio here. Let your Shine. If you know Jesus, if you know the Lord, you have light to shine, be it in helping a hurting person. being and ministering to the downtrodden. being and setting a godly example in your home.

Be it in sharing the gospel with someone who doesn't know Jesus. Be it a secret act of kindness behind the scenes. Be it sowing seed to help a gospel ministry around the world. Be it giving yourself to secret prayer that will make a difference. Let Your Light shines, and to the extent it shines out, meaning it touches others in a tangible way.

you are functioning as salt and light in this world. Don't be ashamed of the gospel. Let your light shine. May Jesus be glorified through each of you. Be sure to check in on the website, askdrbrown.org, for the latest resources, articles, and videos.

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